What are the worst turnament frick ups, rules exploits and cheats you have ever witnessed at an competetive tabletop turnament ?
Tabletop Turnament frick ups and cheats
What are the worst turnament frick ups, rules exploits and cheats you have ever witnessed at an competetive tabletop turnament ?
Somebody post the story of that one. I remember it being a gasser
Long story short the guy in the white shirt had gimmick which let him place his whole army in reserves, so he declared that he will field nothing at the start of the game.
His opponent in the black shirt knew the gimmick and placed his scouts covering his whole deployment zone, so his reinforcements could never arrive because they are not allowed to "spawn" within 5" of an enemy model.
So the guy in white lost the game before turn 1.
Yes, the famous Kroot Conga Line.
His opponent was running 33 white scars bikes and everyone wanted to see him get his shit kicked in.
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Best thing about that pic is not only is it a good story, but the photo explains everything. He's wearing the shit eating grin of someone who already knows they've won.
The rules mechanics behind this:
Infiltrate allowed the kroot to deploy anywhere on the table after both sides had deployed, with the restriction that they couldn't be placed within X inches of an enemy model.
Biker guy refused to deploy during the deployment phase, planning to effectively arrive where and when he wanted and act immediately with his fast units- turbo boosting to get invuln saves and speed, getting stuff into combat etc and denying the Tau player the opportunity to shoot at them first.
This was rules legal but very tiresome to play against.
But because there were no marines on the table, Tau player had completely free reign to deploy along that edge. Even a single unit would have forced the kroot models to deploy back (12? ) inches and left an opening he could have arrived through.
It wasn't just a counter to a playstyle it was the perfect counter to an annoying playstyle.
KWAB
Where are they, now?
moron projection. Touch grass have sex.
Shooter has a loving family and small house outside the city, its nothing fancy but the love of his family makes it a home.
Wheels was raped to death by a gang of Chechens after his car broke down on a desolate stretch of highway. His body was never found and his parents buried an empty coffin.
>turnament
What the FRICK??? OP *LITERALLY *forgot the "o" in tournament???
He's probably an election tourist.
Nta but there is a contingent of American mouthbreathers who think it's "turnament" because they live a purely audiovisual lifestyle
This is a real problem. I listen to audio books while driving and now have a decently sized lexicon of words I can only guess at the spelling of.
Have you tried looking things up on The Internet? It's been around for a while, you know. You aren't being willfully ignorant, are you anon?
Americans don't think that. Idiots do. There's a distinction. Anyway, it was probably a typo.
Actually idiots who learnt English from Brits would think it spelt "tornament".
Nobody thinks that
Just check the spelling before you write something phonetically, you blubbery cretins
It's called a turnament because winners are decided by whoever gets the first turn.
Literally no one thinks that. Meds now you obsessed turd worlder
I have literally never seen this, I think you might need medication
go get your IQ tested and please send a real photo for the results LOL
Enraged.
i remember lmaoing so hard watching this unfold.
Explain for a non-Magic fan?
There was an older card called "Borborygmos" (it was shit), then a newer one called "Borborygmos Enraged" (not great but good enough to appear in nich decks). Someone named "Borborygmos", and what they meant was "Borborygmos Enraged", because "Borborygmos" doesn't really exist in competitive play. But since "Borborygmos" was the exact name of a card, well, that's the card he named.
I think it was Pithing Needle, Pithing Needle lets you name a card and shuts down any activate abilities of cards with that name, and the old Borborygmos doesn't even have any activated abilities to shut down.
>deck uses a card called "Borborygmos Enraged" as a win condition using his activated ability
>guy playing against the deck plays a card that lets you shut down activated ability of 1 specific card you chose
>guy does a mental shortcat and says he choses to shut down abilities of "Borborygmos"
>because "Borborygmos" is an actual card different from "Borborygmos Enraged" the play did nothing and despite argueing he misspoke he couldn't take the wrong choice back and lost because of it
>guy is playing against a deck containing Borborygmos Enraged, which has an activated ability that does damage
>opponent plays a Pithing Needle, which names a card and deactivates the named card's activated abilities
>opponent says "Borborygmos" because "Borborygmos Enraged" runs a bit long
>"Borborygmos" just so happens to be the name of a completely different card which has no activated abilities and wasn't even in guy's deck
>but it's a card name so technically guy's wincon of "activate the ability of the Borborygmos that kills people with an activated ability" is still a go
>everyone shits on guy so hard that wotc had to introduce a rule saying "both players have to know what's being targeted when things are being targeted"
I remember that one.
that shit was moronic, the guy remembered his triggers but was still shut down because "ehrm akshually saying you want to go to combat means you're skipping right to declaring attackers and not actually starting the combat phase"
Gib story pls
Look at that big, glorious board.
This one is better. Notice how this spell has three potential "modes", notice how the second mode doesn't say "target", and notice how the third mode is the only one that can target a player. So an ESL lays this thing down and says "I cast esper charm targeting me". Obviously, he wanted to draw 2 cards, but the judge made him discard 2 cards.
wasn't there another esl situation with some shortcut for combat and skipping triggers
I don't know the story but that sounds about right.
When you have some sort of loop that lets you repeat a series of actions, such as having phyrexian metamorph enter the battlefield as a copy of leonin relic-warder and then exile himself, the comprehensive rules allow you to just say "I do it 10,000 times", without having to narrate the whole interaction 10,000 times in a row. It's a sensible rule but I can see how it could be used against you. Now I have Hey, Soul Sister stuck in my head.
I remember I was a big fan of the second sunrise deck, that got basically banned because it wasted too much time in the kill combo, even if you play fast it sometime took like 15-20 minutes to finish the last turn to kill your opponent.
Then they printed Bring to Light which enabled the Deck again, a bit worse but doable.
So I took the Deck to a Tournament and finished almost every round with a Judge sitting next to me because we went over time almost every game. Also I really felt bad for one guy from the netherlands who was like 50 and told me he had 2 kids and this was his one weekend off and then he had to watch me go into an endless combo for 30 minutes.
I don't get it, care to explain ?
Second Sunrise favors cheap creature/artifact/enchantment cards that can give you card advantage and/or mana. It affects your enemy too, so the whole point of a Second Sunrise deck is to get more value (out of reanimating your dead permanents) than your opponent does. So it's a prime example of ecking out a marginal advantage in order to eventually get a win. Most other combo decks reach a point where they can say "I win", or else they reach a point where they can say "I repeat the following loop 10,000 times in order to win", but Second Sunrise isn't like that. Second Sunrise says "I reanimate a bunch of my permanents, and so do you, but you don't reanimate as much as I do, and my reanimation gives me enough card/mana economy to cast a second Second Sunrise during the same turn, at which point I reanimate a bunch of permanents and so do you, but you don't reanimate as much as I do", and so on. You might win, based on the luck of the draw, but you will never win quickly.
It's worth noting that (in Magic and a lot of other games) pathos is part of the game. If you can gain an advantage by playing your opponents emotions, then you do so, it's simply part of the game. Because bluffing and head-games are undeniably part of the game, and this inevitably leads to unfun conclusions, as much as we may wish that it didn't. Ideally, all combo decks would be able to win more quickly than this, but sometimes they don't and here we are.
pretty simple you sacrifice all your cheap artifacts that give you mana and let you draw cards and then bring them back with second sunrise, the problem is you want to reach a point where you can oneshot the enemy with grapeshot, but all the artifacts you bring back do not count as being played so you might have to repeat this progress 10-20 times depending on the opponents health pool, and if you play bring to light you actually have to watch your mana pool constantly because you need 4 different color mana to fetch the spell you need, that is why the deck sometimes takes up to 20 min on the last turn, and all your opponent can do most of the time is watch you play solitaire, I had some guys just surrender after 5min because they could not take it anymore
all mtg solitaire combo players should be lined up and shot
also add commander blue players
well the deck is not very good in modern anyway, also believe me after 8 best of 3s you do not want to play this deck anymore it is just too taxing on your brain because you actually have to play correct for 20 mind straight and keep track of your mana an triggers, it was fun for the meme but if I were to play mtg again I would just play some braindead aggro deck just way more fun
I remember the /tg/ story from a few years ago, a younger player had brought an long-combo deck to the store (eggs I think) got all his pieces together and said "Good game.". His opponent stopped him there and politely asked him to explain the steps in the combo and even though all the parts were there he couldn't describe the loop.
"Show me." Those two words got me more than a few wins from modo grinders back in the day that never played IRL and expect you to concede to their combo pieces. Once they demonstrate the loop, then you hit them with the "Kill me." And make them do it. They were used to players just conceding on the spot on MODO
the virgin 60 minute combo hustler vs the chad relaxed "no, I want you to actually do all of it right here, right now, lol"
>show me
Classic and good idea in general (filters noobs who don't actually know their combo and gives opponent chance to mess up).
>kill me
Bad sport (hur-dur I'll prolong the match cause I can) and inefficient. Any control/lengthy combo player out there is more than happy to play winning game even longer, cause it drastically reduces your chance to score 2 (or even single) win and steal the match from him.
Quite important aspect to piloting slow/grindy midspeed decks vs slow ones is ability to identify lost match and move on to get chance at actually winning.
Lol
I still think it makes sense,, because the word "target" is a big unambiguous deal in Magic, but at the same time I think it's a shame because we all know what the guy ment. Mark Rosewater went on record saying that the judge was wrong. Also there was some implication that the judge was friends with the non-ESL player which makes the whole thing extra-shitty.
I'd love a play-by-play on the "go to combat" thing. Or just, like, one more detail (like one of the names of the players, or the date of the event, so I can google it myself).
Thien Nguyen vs Cesar Sergovia at Pro Tour Aether Revolt. Thien was the "um akshually" guy in that one and Cesar looked, more or less from what I saw, genuinely confused
Cedric Phillips is and has always been a scumbag. Dont let his character on the scg casts fool you. Hes as big of a piece of shit as Jeff "Boo" "Hoogland
>source: was a midwest PTQ/GP grinder from the 90s to ate 20teens our paths crossed more times than I've seen some family members in thay time frame
People were laying their Riptides on their sides to take advantage of cover
Reminds me of that picture with a bunch of space marines stacked on top of a building to get better line of sight.
Good thread, keep it going
Is that a cafeteria tray?
>He doesn't use a mcdonald's tray to take his army from table to table
My LGS has like 20, they're really useful and cheap.
For some reason I thought he was using it as a movement tray but now that I know the full story I understand he had not deployed them.
Do you want an oiled mahogany slab?
I can't tell if you're asking about a luxury tray or a Black person dick.
either way the answer is yes
Playing Warhammer Fantasy I remember a bunch of weird things people did because the rules were exploitable.
I remember 60 zombies reforming into a kongaline and the vampire Lord gaining like 12" to cast a spell.
Also Orcs and Goblins had to check for Animosity if their unit was 5+ models so people would place their goblin wolf riders next to a forrest and quick reform until one of them died to terrein.
Also People placing their chariots sideways at the edge of the deployment zone because if the rotate the base they gain like an extra 1" for movement.
And others turning their units back at the start of the game so they do not have to check for frenzy turn 1.
Very recently there was a case of an Eldar player bringing weighted dice to a 40k tournament at the beginning of 10th. Someone called him out to the refs so he attempted to flush the dice down the toilet to no avail
That's hilarious
the video does it better justice. seeing the dice im the bottom of the toilet bowl, unable to move cuz they too heavy, right next to like a speck of shit in the bowl. absolute Kino
Imagine what level of bedwetting little homosexual you have to be to cheat while playing fricking Eldar in tenth
I once had to face a clown who played Tau. His rule-as-written frickery was to buy a fortification building for his points and putting it in the middle of the table. Tournament Tables back then basically were empty tables with four thick books as line-of-sight blockers because tournaments didnt have much terrain. Anyway every table had a free space in the middle and those LOSblocking books, that's it. His army had ridiculous jump packs that allowed to jump up that "impassable terrain", fire on my dudes and then jump back behind it so I get no shots in my turn. He put his building in that free spot in the middle of the table to basically create an almost complete wall of impassable and line of sight blocking frickery. My army had weaponry that could just disintegrate that building, but some stupid rule said that you can't fire on a building if the enemy isn't sitting IN it. Oh and because he bought it for his points, your dudes can't enter it at all. So he made all his enemies try to squeeze through the remaining gaps or go around his pathetic wall of china, giggling like a maniac as if he invented the wheel.
My dudes had enough Artillery that didn't need line of sight, so I gave him a beating anyway, but I was pretty off-meta so everyone else just surrendered in turn 2 or 3 to not ever have to deal with that person again.
Biggest frick up I've ever seen in a board game tournament is the ruleset allowed for ties and they had spare trophies to account for that, but they forgot to order spare plaques denoting placement, so they just had to mail em to people later when there was a 3 way tie for 1st.
I was sweating my balls off while the final round wrapped up, too, cause I was the guy sitting on 1 draw the rest wins waiting for the final round between the two undefeated players to wrap up.
There are these 40k guys on youtube called "the long war" which have all be caught cheating in tournaments. The paint guy got caught using a die with no low results on it and claimed he didn't know it was in his dice pile (even though he would roll it anytime he had a single important die roll) and the ginger guy who runs the Spikey Bitz site got caught lying to his opponent about having plasma guns on his army when he didn't pay for them, and then after getting caught "voluntarily removed himself from the tournament and the rest of the tournament season" to avoid being banned.
>The paint guy got caught using a die with no low results on it
Why would anyone do such obviously visible cheating? I get weighted dice, those you need to at least do a test on to discover. But just straight up wrong faces on the dice?
he got away with it for a while by doing the ole pick up the die really fast after you roll it, but eventually got caught
Do weighted dice actually work?
of course they work, that's why they're banned in any serious game...
Where do I get them then?
Your local game store I guess.
You can make out of regular dice by adding additional paint to the pips.
Try it out in Vegas. Just add it to the Craps table.
Can't afford the drive lol would be interesting to watch. I hope some dumb youtuber prankster wannabe gives this a shot
There's a reason casinos use clear dice.
Yet cheaters still get away with the classic side-loaded pips cheat with clear dice, red dice that look exactly like casino dice but are numbered 4-5-6, 4-5-6 instead of 1-2-3, 4-5-6.
Why are they always like this?
The actual mechanism varies a bit but it works by making the side opposite to where you want it to land heavier so that if it lands that way while it is rolling it is less likely to keep rolling,
Do you make these? How can I get more info
Just google it, it's unlikely you could make loaded dice yourself without making it obvious the dice was tampered with so you could find them on some e commerce site for cheap.
you can buy them if you want. DIY would probably require a hundred hours or so of technique refinement
How do I buy it?
>click add to cart
>enter payment info
>enter shipping address (if you don't already have an account)
>enjoy
Post your address, PayPal and card details and I'll sort you out anon 🙂
Yes. A lot of plastic/resin dice might be slightly weighted due to air bubbles, others are deliberately tampered with.
Of course, you could take the David Blaine route and practice throwing dice autistically for years until you can roll what you want with a high degree of confidence.
>Why would anyone do such obviously visible cheating?
Who knows? One of the WMH rule designers (before he became one) got caught moving shit out of his turn during world championship finals, on camera no less.
There's a ton of cheating in the competitive side of nerd hobbies, same with magic and I'd assume yu gi oh but everyone who plays that is black so I mean...
what the frick
The majority of yugioh players are black. Just like the majority of people who have DBZ avatars are from South America. It’s just a known fact
I have a buddy who was cold called by an LGS in Detroit because they don't have enough Yugioh judges. No joke. And they were paying more than the lgs he worked at in Orlando so he took the job
Crybaby Black person
>and the ginger guy who runs the Spikey Bitz site got caught lying to his opponent about having plasma guns on his army when he didn't pay for them, and then after getting caught "voluntarily removed himself from the tournament and the rest of the tournament season" to avoid being banned
Why is the default reaction to a 40k tournament player being caught cheating to let them take a short break and bury any discussion of the incident?
>40k, circa 6th edition
>small local tourney (30-ish people)
>for whatever reasong guys at one of the tables play Movement phase A, Movement phase B, Shooting phase A, Shooting phase B, Combat
>both seem perfectly fine with this arrangement
slightly related, i legitimately think the game would be better if all phases were alternating activation instead of "my whole army goes, your whole army goes"
Its already a thing in the deployment and to an extent the Fight phases of the game, why not just have it in the whole thing
>i legitimately think the game would be better if all phases were alternating activation
Yes it would, this is an unquestionable fact that only squealing paypigs disagree with as it means they can auto win
That's me and my friends lol, we did that shit so much we playtested extra rules for it.
but we did charges before shooting and when you got shot at the unit could instantly return fire if within range. If you did charge phase after shooting like modern 40k melee armies sucked dick because you moved up and had to suffer a whole round of shooting then overwatch before being given the privilege of charging
You should try heavy gear, the movement and shooting are one combined phase called activation.you can even move a model 3-4 inches and shoot and then finish your move. The active player moves his guys and shoots, the passive player can spend action points to retaliate or reroll dodges or just take a normal defensive roll for free, saving their action points for their own activation phase.
If you spend all your action points as a passive player you can still move your units on your activation phase, get behind cover or move up before the next round when your AP refreshes. Initiative phase to start every round, standard game is four rounds.
man reading through these, it's kinda sad that "let's see who plays better" always seems to devolve into "let's see who finds the best loopholes and 30 minute long combos".
You have to remember that you're a thread specifically highlighting this shit and that vast majority of tournaments are trucking along just fine. OP's example is nearly a decade and a half old at this point.
that is actually true most guys you meet at tournaments are just there to test their skills, nerd out and have a good time
sure sometimes you have powergames who want to win and chase the meta, but most people just want to play their favourite stuff and do the best they can
Ah, I'm glad, thanks for clearing it up. I'm not very into the scene unfortunately. This thread just reminded me of when I decided to try out online competitive for YuGiOh and almost every fight was a noob who doesn't know the rules and spends 20 minutes during my turn going through a combo of a deck he copy pasted from a reddit thread.
kek
Wait until you find out about professional sports.
Casino dice.
Maybe they really are super fair and less weighted than the usual Chessex and other random LGS shit, but I have yet to see someone roll them properly instead of basically placing them on the table.
It's easy enough to stop players with funny dice and not really rolling them by having the referee provide dice and require shaking and rolling dice out of a cup.
They are meant to be rolled in a craps table and tossed against the end of the long table at some velocity to generate a good roll. They are simply too heavy and flat to be rolled on a normal table or dice tray.
I don't see the cart option
It is right there
Might be region locked could you send it to me?
Made me lol
>powergaming tau player cheeses the rules so that they don't even have to bother playing the game
>everyone claps
>40k has always been cancer
whenever this is posted there's always some moron who thinks contrarianism is a valid alternative to developing a personality that sides with the white scars player
well if they didn't have their whole army in reserve before the game they wouldn't have been raped by a bunch of mediocre infantry with the infiltrate special rule
> against some zero deployment gimmick army
> complains about Tau
You have some more marines to preorder and leave in the grey state
>the problem with tau is kroot
frick off four eyes
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>dat glass nudge
If your cheating is caught on camera but not live at the scene, what happens? Were there repercussions for any of this?
Judges can strip you of your win, then ban you from future tournaments
I will never understand the stupidity of this normally you take away the dice that do not hit and let your opponent look at the hits and confirm, instantly taking the dice that hit is a big nope
I know his intent is to cheat but still even if you do not, the dice stay until your opponet looks at them
that was Geoff, man now I'm sad. I miss him, bros.
Actual as terrain countable terrain as terrain in a tournament.
Back in the day when I played warhammer fantasy a buddy at our club was know for being a terrible player, so we made him the most braindead chaos list of all time,
it was basically a barbarian army with 2 shrines that made all of the barbarians steadfast or unbreakable idk which one anymore, so your grand plan was to just walk forward go into melee and grind down the enemy, pretty braindead stuff
the absolut legend walked forward against high elves got shot for 2 turns, then for some reason got scared that he might lose the combat because he took some casualties to shooting, turned around and walked back for the rest of the game and got shot in the back
I can't tell if that guy is legitimately stupid or if he's ascended to some higher plane of wargaming where everything is 100% roleplayed.
reminds me of a dude who played orcs and goblins at a team event and his whole goal was to draw against the opponents strongest army, he had like 25 units who all needed to take animosity/stupidity tests or had random movement, so his movement phase to a insane amount of time so never got over turn 4 even he played at a decent pace.
Guy got DQ'd at the first game, but he got what he wanted and Konami introduced a deck limit.
Good old German autism.
>Guy got DQ'd at the first game
Why?
Blatant unsportsmanship, I'd wager. There as no justifiable reason for him to have a deck of that size other than to start a fight. Not to mention if you can't shuffle it it means you literally can't play by the rules.
>Not to mention if you can't shuffle it it means you literally can't play by the rules.
Stop being such entitled ableist, card games are for everyone and if you have problem with motorically disadvantaged you won't be missed.
You are allowed to ask a third party (including a judge) to shuffle on your behalf.
The deck was brilliant, it wasn't entirely just every card they had on hand. I mean, it was that, but it was also about 50% things that would search something, shuffle cards into the deck, or card draw to fish for more shuffling. Peak war crimes.
I feel every time I see this story the position of the marines and tau gets swapped
Had a guy sperg out on me at a FNM standard tournament because my deck had no creatures in it. It was a shitty burn/control deck but he had no answers to it as he had a lot of stuff that interacted with creatures.
I remember him stopping in the middle of game 2 and asking me
>Does your deck have ANY creatures in it?
And when I said "no", he got really pissy and played the rest of the match out with an annoyed look on his face. Not sure what his problem was; this isn't Pokemon you dumbass homie.
Not a cheater. but one of the morally upright Mormon Battletech developers got caught trying to swipe some gamer's minis at a con some years back. He clamed it was a mistake, of course.
Mormons stealing other people's shit, they really are living up to Joseph "Married a child" Smith's expectations.
>It was normal back th-
Child marriage was wrong then and it's wrong now.
one time two fat morons got into a fist fight at a 40k tournament I was at
Please tell me there's more to this story
not really, it spilled outside and everyone just ignored them and when it was finished they were asked to leave
It's my fault for daring to dream
All I remember is the Standoff in Honolulu.