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It was way better than par. One of my favorites.
But I'm still kind of a Vespiria/Abyssgay, personally.
Same
Appreciate the fact they got the height difference correct between the two
funny how the series die when they decided to go full fujo and make the protagonist gay in zestiria, didn't get better with berseria where the protagonist's personality boils down to i am going to kill everybody and by arise it was too late to fix it.
The gay boys and the soundtrack were the things that actually worked in Zestiria.
And for what its worth, I don't think they were actual homos so much as dork besties. Mikleo maybe.
Velvet's story should have been a little more complex than that too, there were some really interesting wrinkles, but everything just kind of got glossed-over. I feel like the real issue across the board is trouble handling complexity or nuance.
Frick off, Arise sold extremely well and had the best romance.
>and had the best romance
Alphen and Shionne are a boring as frick couple.
Shit taste
Play as someone besides Alphen. Even then, shit taste.
Doesn't matter who you play as the issue is the flaws of the core mechanics
Skill issue
Cope more Arise is shit
Shame the gameplay was fricking trash
They aren’t even gay in Zestiria. They are like brothers.
Mikleo deffo is gay, Sorey is an autistic asexual.
I'd say the issue with Zestiria is that they didn't fully commit to the homosexuals and instead just redirected the story halfway through to Rose the mary sue, idk how much of the background controversy with Baba and Komatsu is true but it is really weird how the game just completely abandons Alisha and Sorey to hyperfocus on Rose and how amazing she is, how she's such a better companion to the shepherd because she doesn't cause him strain like Alisha did and later on how she's such a better shepherd than Sorey himself, how she can go around killing people willingly and still not produce any malice because she's just that awesome even tough this contradicts the lore of the game (Doing bad things produces malice regardless of intention as shown with the priest sidequest), how she even tamed Dezel and had him serve her long before being able to recognize seraphs, it's just too much bullshit, she ruined the game so bad they actually overhauled the entire story for the anime tie-in for Berseria.
>I'd say the issue with Zestiria is that they didn't fully commit to the homosexuals and instead just redirected the story halfway through to Rose the mary sue
They did in the anime hell they even turned Rose and Alicia gay for eachother, that's how desperate they were to shill that garbage entry
These kinds of takes always sound so weird to me. I played the game blind and the Alisha -> Rose transition felt 100% natural to me, you're basically just taking off the training wheels, I just figured Alisha was a prologue character to ease you into the game. Rose is just a capable and genki anime girl trope, again nothing unusual. You guys sound like you have a massive chip on your shoulder.
Rose is trash.
>again nothing unusual
Except for the fact that Komatsu and Baba were having weirdly romantic twitter exchanges and that she was hired over a year after Sorey and Alisha had already been presented as the protagonists of the game.
>except for some shit outside the game
why should I care, and why are you letting some terminally online gossipers influence your enjoyment of a bideo gay
Because I didn't enjoy it and I actually found out about the controversy AFTER playing it and it just made a ton of sense, both Rose and the reason they randomly drop Alisha come out of nowhere, the way the seraphs talk about Alisha after she's gone is uncharacteristically mean and it's just strange how even the main hero gets sidelined in his own story, Rose actively breaks the lore with no consequences and the whole thing just feels rushed, like they changed a lot of shit and had to meet a release date so they just tossed a bunch of palette-swapped Xillia assets in there to finish the thing on time even tough it's really fricking obvious because the npcs lifted from Xillia have different face and body proportions to the main cast.
How does Rose break the lore?
She kills people without producing malice, which directly contradicts the sidequest in which the guy kills people thinking it's for the greater good and still produces malice, so you can't say "Oh, Rose doesn't produce malice because she thinks her actions are righteous", malice is not contingent on personal bias, it's a direct result of an evil action.
Your idea's a bit off. What we're dealing with isn't malice, but malevolence. You can say they're the same thing, but they're different within the context of the story. Malevolence, while sounding super evil, is more of a corrupting force than an evil one. It's like using dye to turn your local lake brown. The dye itself is not harmful, but it's "corrupted" the image of the lake. Malevolence is the same thing.
The reason Rose doesn't generate malevolence is because she completely believes she's doing the right thing. Artorious generates malevolence during his final fight because even if he's resolved to suppress the world, it's a last resort sort of deal, as proven when Laphi's the one who convinces him to go through with it. Sorey doesn't generate malevolence when he kills Heldalf because while he's against killing, he recognizes that it's the only option, so he has no remorse or doubt about his actions.
tldr, Malevolence isn't evil by default. It's a corruption of the soul caused by doubt, fear, and other negative emotions.
Artorius’s malevolence comes from despair. He never got over the deaths of his wife and unborn child. He just suppressed it. He’s been suffering the whole time, and that’s his true justification for wanting to cleanse the world of free will.
Dude, Baba resigned in shame and Komatsu did a dogeza, that shit doesn't just happen, they were having sex and the execs at Namco knew it.
How does it feel natural? The game really shits on Alisha’s character even though she’s one of the most popular characters from the game. And Rose is definitely a Mary Sue.
It was reported by devs that story was suddenly change to focus on Rose half a year before game was released. Rose was literally introduced and forced into game half a year before it was released. Do whatever you want with it, but it failed huge because of Baba's decisions.
You forced to control Sorey and Rose for the Whole game because of BABA
You cant make all Seraph party. I know they invisible but its still moronic.
I'm not a big fan of Arise but after a decade of literal feces, it's undeniably a massive step in a right direction.
Damn even the dev publicly shat on zestiria
>not Abyss
>not even Vesperia
>but Xillia
It was peak of devs going down the drain. Even Graces was better than Xillia and it was moment when they started to push this super fast hi-ougi's making you puke.
Zestiria was a trainwreck because of how unfinished and last minute changed it was. Introduced Princess as main character, change it because director was hot for Komatsu Mikako as VA, focus on Rose that felt like potato in a water. So many issues and it was mostly due to Baba's directions.
It has Edna though
>They didnt put Sorey or Mikleo as a cameo in arise because mainline tales fans hates gays and fujos (like it always should)
>They didnt put Rose or Alisha because of the controversy
>They didnt put Dezel and Zavaid because they not popular enough
>They didnt put Lailah because shes...... dead.
>instead they put Edna, the ONLY good thing about the game
Lol
Yeah anon that was it, not the broken gameplay and terrible plot pacing.
Vesperia is the best tales of
Symphonia won't be topped with me, Abyss had terrible characters and vesperia was overall pretty forgettable.
>Abyss
>Terrible characters
>Not Symphonia
Haha?
Only partway through the game, but Natalia, Jade, and Anise kind of suck.
Abyss is notorious for being the game where most of your team members are just plain buttholes. It's like the cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
>Abyss is notorious for being the game where most of your team members are just plain buttholes.
I guess if you're 13 yourself and you literally have no interest in what others are going through, sure. The cast is realistically flawed and don't really like each other. I get how that can be grating, but that's where the real beauty of the story is, in these difficult people learning to rely on each other and become better people.
>It's like the cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
That would unironically be a really interesting game too. I would love to follow a pure-comedy cast of genuinely dumb, codependent buttholes on a classic journey to kill god and prevent the end of the world. But abyss is not that. Only Jade and maybe Anise are hardened enough to be really be like that deep down, and even they're really trying their best.
>and you literally have no interest in what others are going through, sure.
Isn't it the game's job to make me care? People care about Luke's growth, despite his b***hing and moaning, because he's the main protag and we primarily see events through his point of view. But if someone's playing for the first time, why would the player make an effort to try to care about some characters who act like c**ts and have no redeeming features?
Well for me personally, I found Luke's rudeness refreshing in comparison to the plethora of inoffensive nobody main characters out there, but also got a lot out of the party kind of bullying him. Then when the various twists happened my heart really went out to the poor kid who's been really been through the wringer and almost nothing else.
>why would the player make an effort to try to care about some characters
Presumably that's the point of engaging with any fiction, ever. To imagine what it's like to be in someone else's position and broaden one's perspective.
>who act like c**ts and have no redeeming features?
I deny that this is the case. They all have redeeming features. It doesn't even take that long to get to them. They're people genuinely trying to do the right thing but way too wrapped up in their personal difficulties to succeed, at least at first.
>I guess if you're 13 yourself and you literally have no interest in what others are going through, sure.
No need to be so sensitive, toots. I was just exaggerating cause JRPGs tends to have the most straightforward, kindest people in your team. I know that Abyss is a little bit subversion of that, and portrays the characters being more human than just walking moralgays. Which is why I referenced IASIP, they're buttholes but doesn't mean they're unlikeable, they're likeable in a different way than your typical goody two shoes.
>The cast is realistically flawed and don't really like each other.
Guy only.
Jade knew Luke's secret from the second he saw him and when Akzeruith happened, he said nothing. Everyone shit on Luke for being mind controlled, never apologized when it was revealed he's literally a child, forgave Anise for being a traitor despite her parents never being in danger, killed the arietta instead of just telling the truth and the list goes on.
The game itself is poorly written, the flaws the characters have are from bad writing not them being bad people.
Jade is the world's most autistic man, I can hardly blame him for not dealing with Luke's meltdown
Anise being forgiven still bugs me, but I can accept why the characters do it
Arietta would've still been an enemy even if they explained everything about Ion to her. You killed her mother, shes not forgiving that
Jade is definitely the most reprehensible character, which is ironic, because he's usually the favorite. If you don't think too much about it, he's just the funny one.
I do think it reflects badly on everyone that they don't apologize to Luke later on, but I think their initial reaction is absolutely understandable, especially since they're all really trying to avoid blaming themselves for not paying enough attention to Luke to prevent the disaster. In the back of all their minds, I think, they know they should have kept an eye on him and intervened, but they can't deal with it right then. That he accepts responsibility and never tries to get the recognition they owe him though reflects incredibly well on Luke.
I don't see it as a problem that they forgive Anise's betrayal; by that point they've all been through it before, but this time it's obvious that someone's been manipulating an actual little kid who's really had too much on her plate for way too long. On top of that, they're probably all still kind of sheepish for being so shitty to Luke for something they all share blame in. I take it as a sign they actually learned something.
Arietta's death is just jap shit imo. Never ever clear up a misunderstanding, always duel to the death.
I mean, I get it, it's absolutely not bulletproof, but I feel the character writing is unusually nuanced and good.
>they're all really trying to avoid blaming themselves for not paying enough attention to Luke to prevent the disaster. In the back of all their minds
You also have to add that they all just spent the last few months escorting THE most spoiled fricking piece of shit brat across the world followed by said brat helping cause 9/11 mixed with Pompeii culminating in them watching a little kid die begging for help and none of them being able to do shit. Good sense goes out the window on arguably the worst day of your life (second worst if you're Guy)
they will get better, except Anise
Anise never gets better, in fact she gets worse
>anime girl fricking dies
>Not Eternia
Nah frick off.
You cover said other wise
Still dumb localization name
>Xillia
>Good
Come the frick on, the sequel was better in every way and even then it was mediocre as frick.
Just give me another game like Xillia, or even Xillia 3, and I'll fricking buy it. Just fricking take my wallet.
really need to replay xillia and finish getting the plat for 2
was so fricking good playing the entire game in bro-op, except the c**t would never let me play alvin because he never got off him
One of my favorites that's for sure
The end portion felt rushed but I didn't mind it that much, still fun from start to the end
In fact I don't know if I would like it if it keeps going, Tales of games tend to overstay its welcome and just keep going and going coughAbysscough
do Alvin and Elize ever end up together after the timeskip near the end of Xillia 2?
No one agrees with you, zoomer.
No Tales will top the stupid country boy with a talking sword.
I really need to give Destiny another chance
I got to the bug guy's fight, and it was such a fricking slog that I lost motivation to do the rest
Good taste, I completely agree.
I've played Berseria, Zestiria, Vesperia and Arise in this order and never really felt like any of them were particularly amazing, just good enough to waste time.
I'm considering playing Abyss or Symphonia whenever I'm in the mood again, hope they're more memorable.
Also, yeah it's pretty fricking insane how none of the PS3 entries are available on Steam or modern consoles, those games had good enough graphics and remasters would've sold very well with minimal tinkering, the frick is Bamco thinking.
Same reason why they had idolmaster costume in tales of game while never had any of them released oversea
Idolmaster's target audience is e-girlcons and the game is designed that way, no way Bamco is risking a backlash by releasing any of them in the West.
That didn't stop Ace combat for always having Idolmaster skins overseas
so are you ignoring all the older girls in the series
What? You can literally buy that Rinwell costume right now, on any platform.
I mean the colab costume in idolm@ster side man. To this date it is still Asia only and one can only play it other way
Symphonia's going to be hard to play as its gameplay is a good deal clunkier than those games, but it's the title that basically solidified the series into a lot of western Talesgays' minds. I'd say its story and characters still hold up relatively well
Abyss and symphonia are actually complete games with coherent plots. Arise doesn't even count as a tales game.
I like Arise, but it is the best Star Ocean game
I'm actually probably gonna start with Abyss, heard it emulates really well on PCSX2 and the story/characters are really interesting/unconventional. Symphonia seems kinda childish in comparison, but I've already got it on Steam, so might as well play it too, if only for the coffee meme girl
Also, how are the dubs on these older games? Yes, I'm a dubgay
Don't play abyss on dub
Symphonia's voices were great and it isn't anymore childish than Abyss, plus Luke is a miserable protagonist.
Remember to get the HD texture pack for PS2 abyss if you are starting
https://www.mediafire.com/file/znqout0c39egc3s/SLUS-21386_TotAbyss_0.94.7z/file
Do you have any screenshots? Is there an official page somewhere?
Not that anon, but I have this from when I first tried Abyss.
Nice, looks clean.
That font is impressively ugly
>Remember to get the HD texture pack for PS2 abyss if you are starting
no way, gay
>how are the dubs on these older games?
Abyss, Symphonia, Graces, and the Xillias have pretty decent dubs
Vesperia's is GOATED
>playing Berseria before Zestiria
do morons really?
It makes Zestiria tolerable
thanks for confirming you're a moron.
Youre welcome
My favorite is Graces. Amazing combat.
Groomer game
Xillia is dead media unless they port it or remaster it to modern consoles. Its unplayable right now
Xillia 1 / 2 is playable on RPCS3 even if you have toasters
>Xillia 1 / 2 is playable on RPCS3 even if you have toasters
No it is not, I have tried multiple times. If you have a Kaby Lake, the game is not running
>Intel
>in current times
Its your own fault anon.... Emulators are optimized for Ryzen. even 1st gen ryzen able to run it flawlessly
I'm just pointing out the other post was wrong, it is NOT playable on toasters unless you have AMD or an intel that can brute force production
Tried twice this year, last time was a month ago. Watched like 3 different videos going through their RPCS3 settings they use and I could not get past 15 fps with insane slow mo. Even tried changing to every graphics setting and booting the game
Up until the 7000 series, Intel had a very strong lead on every emulator. RPCS3 was especially intel-favored.
You forget the price/performance Ratio. Getting intel isnt worth it for 5% perf increase for 30% more price
Why are you so desperate to sell AMD products? No one is talking about buying a CPU, one person mentioned a CPU that they already own. Price/performance literally means nothing to this conversation.
Last time i check the RPCS3 devs still using ryzen 5800x for testing emulators
Im not. If you already own intel suit yourself, but its retared to think Intel is better than AMD nowadays
Again, you're the person who brought the moronic warring into this thread, you couldn't help yourself just because someone stated they own an intel processor.
And https://rpcs3.net/about lists the specs of every developer, there's a mix of both but it's majority intel.
Most of them have Ryzen kek
And the ones who got intel is old as frick processor. the processor when Intel is still winning kek
>12 intels vs 6 AMDs
>most of them have Ryzen
Were you dropped on your head as a child? Were your dropped on your head today?
It's not optimized for AMD CPUs though. And there are developers using shit older than the generation that the anon had, so obviously the generation isn't the problem.
Most of those intels are ancient. Barely anyone of them had modern Intel CPUs
Not him, but it doesn't matter. The point is anon's complaining about not running a game well on an emulator when it's currently optimized for AMD CPUs and he has an undisclosed Intel one. It doesn't matter that Intel had the lead. We're talking about now.
Ryzen favor is a recent thing, for over 20 years emulation used to use intel as the basis
Not anymore Until Ryzen appears
When was the last time you tried and what was the issue?
Upgrade your cpu boomer
"a" Kaby Lake is basically zero information. There are a WIDE range of tiers within any CPU generation.
I like Alvin because he betrays people so often it came around from stupid to downright humorous to me.
What does Ganker think of Vesperia?
Its shit
Felt as if I've been bamboozled by VesPS3riagays for a decade. On the lower end of the series for me.
It just abruptly ends and those lovecraft things were moronic.
decent game hyped up by Xboxgays too much, has a uneven plot structure, gameplay is unironically a slog until 70 hours in and by then you've beaten the game basically
>missables/10
>combat gets good when you beat the game and start NG+
>story is whatever random adventuring until almost the end of act 2
>too many annoying party members, like Estelle, the 30 yo boomer, the pirate e-girl, the coward shota and so on
>basically only Judith, Rita, MC and the dog are cool
>story is whatever random adventuring until almost the end of act 2
then act 4 happens and lmao
It felt like a fluke at the time since the other Tales games I played were either just pretty good or absolute dogshit and it was first kinda great one.
Now? I dunno, it's just one of the better ones I guess?
its the one I recommend to newer people, as its a good baseline Tales game
its not the best, but if you like it you'll like more of them
It rules. I love everyone in it, and I have fun playing Judith especially.
The story is basically fine, it's the character interactions that make it.
Helping Karol prove his mettle to Nan is the first time I've ever felt remotely motivated to complete the itempedia.
Vesperia is a bad game in general and has the worst multiplayer in the series. Since the OL system is basically the only way to deal real damage, the best strategy for additional players is to just taunt constantly so the only player doing anything can be in OL as often as possible. The correct OL strats aren't even fun for that one player (Yuri just spams one arte or normal in OL for most of the game; at endgame Rita rains garbage on the screen for automatic wins). Vesperia also has a few additional issues. The only fights that aren't a joke are Yuri alone fights, and those are not multiplayer obviously. The enemy AI singlemindedly targets the first player, and for non-1p humans, that makes it even more dull than Vesperia usually is which is pretty dull already.
Graces' CC is far superior to the TP system that games like Vesperia use, and it's mostly because TP is a really bad system. With casters it's especially bad as casters basically only have one plausible thing to do. You drain them crazy fast on their most effective moves, and then you either throw a gel or have a useless character so all strategies involving casters have a time bomb planted in your party that's you betting you can win before they just run out of ability to fight. This has never been an entertaining dynamic. Even worse, when these games slip to a point where TP really isn't a concern (like when the most broken accessory ever, the Risky Ring, is involved), TP based games don't have any sort of real failsafes built in to prevent you from just spamming your best options like crazy. Lloyd and Guy were so good because they could end combos at frame advantage and basically keep up an eternal offense. CC based games make you actually wait when you drain your CC so the enemy can actually do something.
Seriously, just avoid this one though for reasons that will always be mysterious to me a lot of people seem to love it.
"I don't like the boring optimal multiplayer gameplay so no one should ever play this game" is the dumbest thing I've read today
only 2 are on switch, Vesperia and Symphonia
Vesperia is solid, the Symphonia port is awful, missing a bunch of QoL things that the PC port from 7 years ago had
Anon's TP concerns are right, though CC can promote large degrees of offense as well once CC regen becomes more plentiful. Judith is basically a non-character for how much TP she burns through, and you fricking NEED to spam artes with her so you can chain some of her artes together.
he'd have more of a point if he wasn't only arguing in terms of absolute optimal gameplay instead of just playing the game
its like using speedrun strats to argue a game is good or not
I have it as the 2nd best one behind Graces F.
Never played it.
I started with Eternia, then Abyss, then the Xillia games. Then I skipped Zesteria and went straight to Berseria, to Arise.
So I only know Yuri and Estelle from Project X Zone. Are they a couple?
More like a tard and her wrangler.
Even with most tame headcanons he probably fricked Judith.
Otherwise Yuri has no interest in romantic relationships.
This, he's too infatuated in his rivalry with Flynn to care about girls
Although he probably fricked Judy that one night at camp
>so this is sex
>disgusting
>I could be playing with Repede right now
>I wonder where Flynn is
It's a decent game carried hard by the best protagonist in the series. I like the rest of the cast too, but the story is pretty fricking moronic, even by Tales standards, and the last third of the game is some of the worst paced shit I've ever seen in any video game ever made. I really like the combat, but that's only a genuine statement after playing the game for like 40 hours first and actually having access to its full potential. I think it has some really great character moments, and it, in general, holds a special place in my heart because it was my first Tales game. I am fairly objective about its flaws though. This game has the worst fricking case of guide dang-it ever. Absolutely ludicrous the things it expects you to do for payoff that comes way later and with no real rhyme or reason to even know what to do. Oh, but I still think it has the absolute best art design in the entire series.
Decent but flawed. Excels in character interactions and combat really opens up like a third into the game, but it really falters in climactic moments and times when multiple plot points come together.
hard and demanding game. really fun to get the hang out of all characters which have a really high execution demand. it will take you days to play Judith the correct way.
>ugly lesbo with zero chills
Rita sucks
One of my favorites in the series, solely for how smoothly the battle system runs once you have all your tools available. It's really only missing Fields of Fonons, but Fatal Strikes are fun enough. Plot isn't great though, with it mostly being "FOLLOW THE SHELTERED PRINCESS" (which the game mocks too) most of the time, but then also completely failing to have much of a decent third act or ending once Alexei Wesker gets splatted.
FoF change artes would be just orgasmic with all the tools of Vesperia. Kind of unfeasible with all the combined arcane artes though.
I always hated how this series ALWAYS had to have a traitor subplot each and every time. I only played Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia, and Xillia but for some reason these writers absolutely love having a traitor in these games.
>OP pic related
>Kratos/Zelos
>Anise
>Raven
And of course every time they're easily forgiven. The fact that Anise didn't even get a slap on the wrist for essentially killing Ion was infuriating when I first played through Abyss.
Tales has always had a traitor character since day one, but at least Phantasia actually killed off its traitor
Arise didnt have a traitor plotline baaaka
>TFW for Xillia 2 if you pick certain choices it's you're entire team that betrays you
>TFW you can kill them all back
Berseria was my favorite tone/story wise
Xillia is my personal favourite, rerelease any day now, bros.
>xillia was the peak of the franchise
That's not Destiny DC. Shame we'll never go back to sprites.
>Officially counts as a mainline game
>Forever stuck on mobile because there is no demand for console port
>More future games will be gacha
This is the future you choose.
The Crestoria manga is doing pretty bad too, it got to the point where the manga artist was requesting people to purchase copies on Twitter.
Was the story even all that interesting to begin with? Crestoria had a strong premise, but I remember it immediately becoming some regular journey, and the moment Vicious and notMeebo join, the party's basically a walking manzai skit.
>Buying manga in 2023
Now I know why this franchise is declining
From what I've read it's pretty meh and way too topical for it's own good
lol and idiots will say only american comic book writers are cringe.
Which Luke is in the game? Bratty Luke? He has the bratty hairstyle
Yes. He's blamed for killing lots of people again, but Van's not responsible for this even though he was supposed to be playable because the game EoS'd while his model was still in the files.
Misella and Kanata are playable in Rays, so at least there's that. Vicious is also coming soon according to the teaser pics.
Which one of the ones that are on the switch do you recommend?
Not that Symphonia port, that's for damn sure. Jesus Christ what a trainwreck.
Every port of Symphonia gets progressively worse, and I don't understand how Bamco can do that to fricking Symphonia of all things.
I don't have high hopes for that Baten Kaitos HD remaster or that rumoured Xenosaga one either.
I'm so confused as to why they haven't patched at least the PS4 version to run at 60fps, I'm guessing it's because they just rereleased that wonky PS3 port.
Is it really that bad?
None, Symphonia's port is atrocious and Vesperia is meh. You can emulate the PS2 games and run the PC ports of the games on a toaster (except maybe Arise).
Not while I'm alive you stupid fricking Black folk.
Symphonia = Abyss > Graces F > POWER GAP > Vesperia > anything past this point is unironic japslop
yeah sure Yuri is cooler than Assbell but the gameplay never got better than Graces F. You cannot dispute this and it makes Xillia to Berseria gays seethe.
Graces F COMBAT is the best in the series, but everything else about it is ass. Considering that in JRPGs, running around finding scenes and progressing dialogue is about half the "gameplay," it's not that good on average. I'd much rather play a decent action game with no story than slog through Graces again just for a couple sweet boss showdowns.
Tales is only worthwhile because of the combat. Everything else is mediocre compared to other JRPGs.
Tales was never good
The entire Tales series is unironic japslop, homie, what are you talking about.
Arise is western goyslop
It's OK Pablo you'll get something powerfull enough to play it 10 years down the line.....
How they can upload it to youtube ?
Symphonia and Abyss are not top tier titles. What level of nostalgia delusion is this? Abyss especially becomes dogshit halfway through.
Does anybody like how Trails of Destiny DC and Berseria handle combat? I find them pretty fun, if not broken when you know how to gain AP or whatever pretty fast.
Berseria's combat is underrated but they shouldn't have designed a system that lets you button mash and hiding game mechanics behind glacites was stupid.
>Berseria's combat is underrated
No it's just bad, the Arte tree is just bad and its designed around button mashing.
This, the Graces Arte tree had issues but it flowed really well with Asbel. In Berseria it's a pain in the ass to set up a good well flowing combo then find out that it's suboptimal against the enemies of the area you're in. Basic physical attacks with Artes as specials is the way to go though
Xillia 1 was great, Xillia 2 was fricking dogshit and ruined the saga
I can't really play TP based Tales anymore. I hate the idea of having to stuff my face with TP restoring food after every battle and orange gels during boss fights because your main source of damage is drained in seconds. Xillia 2 is the only Tales game with TP that did it right, by increasing TP recovery during long combos; I would never run out if I played well.
Berseria and Arise were a bit too basic and spammy. Graces F and Destiny R got things just right.
Rinwell!
Best mod for Arise, hands down.
!!!
Mediocre peak for a mediocre franchise.
Xillia was the beginning of the end.
Transitioning to 3D was a mistake.
>Transitioning to 3D
That's symphonia moron
He probably meant merging the studios together.
>Arise
>all 6 party members conveniently slot into 3 heterosexual relationships
Why did Bamco BTFO shippers? Weren't they a huge chunk of the old audience?
>BTFO shippers
>by giving them ships
Huh?
Using canon ships isn't good.
The only canon ship in Arise is Alphen x Shionne. The rest are teased at best
Kisara is practically begging for Dolahim wiener by the end of the game, especially if you do the sidequests.
I did them, still not confirmed and he doesn't even reciprocate.
You are extremely dense
You don't know what shipping means.
Law only liked Rinwell because she was the only girl his age in the party. He moves on from that annoying brat after you save the universe.
This ending is just abrupt and strange, yes the evil planet is gone but it's kinda weird how there's zero lasting consequences of the last thousand years of slavery, everyone just decides that they're all equal even tough the buttholes in the moon grew up thinking of the slaves as lower than dirt, and all the ravages in the planet like how the first area was a molten wasteland are just gone like poof.
There really should have been an actual Act 2 where Dohalim has to transition everyone into not being slaves/slavers and pockets of rebellion to his rule. Basically fantasy Reconstruction
How much longer is Zestiria?
Last thing I did was seeing Alisha kill her mentor, I think her name was Meltran
It's pretty short if you play on the easiest difficulty (cause FRICK that gear system holy shit).
You're in the final act already.
>39 hours
Christ almighty I couldn't even get to ten
I did around 90 to platinum it. Not a good choice, but I’m bad about stopping games before the plat.
I think you finished about 2/3. Exploring can vastly expand that time, as I think some of the later areas are fricking huge, and trying to explore every corner of those areas and do all the optional side content can easily add on tens of hours.
>Tales
>Ever good
This is bait, right OP? Tales is mediocrity incarnate.
thats where the series went down hill. it never recovered after vesperia.
I havent touched this series at all
Where do I start? At the beginning?
The only games worth playing are
>Symphonia
Gamecube version preferably, to this day it is the only version that runs decently, best story in the series, Symphonia links directly with Dawn of the New World and Phantasia but I can't in good faith recomend either game DotNW is very low budget and Phantasia is archaic.
>Abyss
PS2 or 3DS, it's the same exact game, best lore in the series.
>Vesperia
Best MC in the series.
>Graces
PS3 version, Wii version was broken and doesn't have the epilogue, best battle system in the series.
>Xillia/Xillia 2
I'd say Xillia 2 since it is so much better than the first but it does reference the first one a lot.
>Berseria
Decent cast and story, thoroughly ignore any links or references to Zestiria, it's not worth it.
Arise is a strange case, you may actually like it more if you didn't like the others, but regardless the final stretch can be miserable with how spongy even regular enemies are.
Cool, thanks bro
>but it does reference the first one a lot
Playing 2 before 1 just makes it easier to play the role of Luger better
Remember that Symphonia is shit and Ganker only likes it because they played it when they were babies and there were no better options (I call this the "Golden Sun Effect"). Literally any other Tales game is better in terms of gameplay, characters, and story, although Ganker denies this and trashes every other Tales for the sole purpose of propping up Symphonia.
Symphonia and GS are good and you're just a bitter homosexual.
>director maybe fricked the VA, and maybe rewrote the story halfway through development to give the VA a bigger role (how is this even economically feasible, games get storyboarded super early on)
I just don't buy it.
What I think happened, is that the turbo otaku fell in love with Alisha's mega submissive doormat personality and got mad when the actual main girl was the complete opposite, a super extroverted character, hence that review bombing spree on Amazon JP. And then the Western weebs did their usual thing aka parroted the otaku's takes.
>worst level design along Innocence DS
>lacks cameo fight
>only three costumes, everything else us recolor
>everybody is barely developed
>Alvin is an idiot, betrays you 10x but that’s ok because the plot sucks
>other half of the game doesn’t exist
>linking sucks, breaks the whole game
Best Tales of for sure, lmao
I agree 100% with Tear.
How did this homie getting holocausted make him scared of women again? It was a woman slaughtering his family while he watched under the bed right?
its was watching his sisters and his maids get cut down by soldiers and lying under their dead bodies for days, covered in their blood.
>woman slaughtering his family while he watched under the bed
No what happened was
his sister and maids all used their bodies to shield him during the genocide, he had to crawl out of a pile of corpses made up of all the women he's ever known while still being in the single digits age wise
Guy had a hard life
I just want a Tales game we all can say is really good. Just once.
Will never happen and that's okay
Vesperia and Symphonia are both universally agreed upon to be good.
Symphonia maybe, but I found Vesperia to be pretty bad on too many things.
>horrible TP management
>meandering story
>boring characters, some possibly being completely unnecessary
>stale, repetitive interactions
>NG+ required to have fun
>motherfricking brionac and that repede scent marking thing
TP management in Tales games is the worst aspect of its gameplay and why later titles got rid of it.
lower tier gels needed to restore a flat amount of TP while higher tier needed to restore percentage amounts.
You cannot carry more than 15 items, this was suppose to keep you from spamming near infinite items in battle but they could have just capped shit you can spam while retaining the standard 99 item limit. Cooking items should have been at 99 by default.
The best accessories were always fairy rings due to massive tp consumption.
>NG+ required to have fun
You can have plenty of fun outside of NG+ if you don't suck at the game.
>Vesperia
It was until more people started playing it.
Eh. I still has a pretty decent time playing them outside of Zestria. Arise was a letdown because of everything involving the aliens and some combat quirk, but I still liked playing it and trying the different characters in combat. I honestly feel like their next attempt could be pretty good as long as they have a decent writer on board. They shouldn't have to do a lot of engine work the gameplay has potential to improve.
I don't think this series has ever peaked because every entry is held back by some stupid shit all the time.
Berseria killed my interest in playing more of these.
Why? Berseria is pretty solid. It has one of the best casts at least.
NTA but Berseria has a lot of flaws
>Arte tree
>No basic attacks
>attributes
>Gear system
>Massive fricking fields
I can actually live with all of that, but how the goddamn FRICK is the game going to give you the geoboard so close to the end, and then force you to walk to specific spots on these huge maps just to be able to use the geoboard.
I legitimately used cheat engine just to speed up overworld movement. Single worst fricking part of the game hands down.
This is the same team that thought it was a good idea to make Zestiria's movement speed boost system where you either have to talk to an NPC or fight a battle to build/maintain speed for some ungodly reason. The Geoboard is actually an improvement.
???? Im sure you got Geoboard at mid part of the game. This is similar when you getting a plane in overworld in old Tales games
I have not played many tales games but for every game I played the one problem I always had was that the final dungeons for these games are fricking god awful
If I were to play just one of these, which one?
A long time ago I watched a friend stream one of em, a PS3 exclusive one (I think) he claimed was the best, but all these names and my bad memory are just fricking with me.
Berseria
The most depressed game I've played. The ending especially fricked me up, those kinds of stories where people go "to sleep" or go "somewhere" for eternity (but not being dead) really messes me up... Anyone else?
Also that's the only Tales I've played and I enjoyed it. Not the best game in the world though.
Your first JRPG ? its pretty common in shonen tropes
name 5 JRPGs with this
Every Tales games except Vesperia
Who went to sleep/go somewhere in Arise?
Oh right also Arise
So you only played Vesperia, gotcha
Zestiria Sorey sacrified himself
Xillia 2 Lueger sacrified himself
Xillia 1 Milla sacrified himself
Abyss Luke sacrified himself
Symphonia Kratos technically sacrified himself / or Zelos
>Your first JRPG ? its pretty common in shonen tropes
I've played a few and the only other time I've seen it was FFXV (the game sucked but again that ending f*ed me up). I wonder if you could name 1 other time it's happened though.
Oh nevermind, I found the one he was talking about. Tales of Graces F. I guess that one didn't get ported to newer platforms.
Did anyone play Legendia? It's the only one I played at the time, I enjoyed it but I don't think I've finished it.
Why does everyone want a remake of this
I don't
Loved it, but maybe I'm biased because it was my first Tales of, the combat is basic compared to it's 3d contemporaries Symphonia and Abyss, it was made by a totally different team, hence why the art and combat is so different, didn't use Sakuraba hence why it has THE best soundtrack in the series, wonderfully weird cast and setting.
I'd say the downsides of the game all have to do with the combat unfortunately, it takes a long time to get fun and it has random battles.
Also best girl loses, but what else is new.
I did, the skill system was weird since it relied on RNG drops for your casters to learn new spells
Edna
>Looking for a """""""Good Story"""""""" on Tales series
Lol this shit has always have shit story since Phantasia.
I dont care what anyone says, Grace was the most fun.
Hated it my first time in 2012, loved it the second time in 2014, top 5 in the series easily.
Main plot is dogshit, side content and character interactions is kino.
f-arc Richard is still unironically the best character in the entire franchise
Guys I think something might be wrong with Richard.
Im liking arise right now but the bosses feel bullshit at times, I'm doing quite well when its just the boss and my party but then the boss shits out 2-4 adds and they kill my entire fricking party except the guy im controlling, the frick am I doing wrong?
Making it so that bosses cant enter Break status and thus never have any hitstun when hit was really stupid. They can be Downed, but it only lasts for like half a fricking second. Its really stupid how the game will tell you to like break all 4 magical orbs on a boss or something and when you finally do it just Downs them for 2 seconds.
MILLA SEXOOOOOO
Stop it Jude you're not getting that spirit pussy.
I just can't with that green hair shit
>Entire Tales gacha has shutted down recently (except Rays)
>Its been 3 years since Arise, and still 0 announcement of Next tales
>Symponia """"""""""""""""""Remaster""""""""""""""""""
>Tales Of Festival is nothing but Seiyuu meeting event. They dont even release some new character art of the festival. Just a character getting chibified and wearing a plain t shirt
Why do i believe Tales IP gonna be sold entirely to someone else ???
Play Zestiria
That settles it, I'll play Graces F
Why can't we get something like this on consoles?
I really wish I had his Sonic Thrust 5*. I only have him equipped with that Xelloss 5*, the same Tempest 5*, his burst 5*, and a 4* lightning blade.
It's his 1st 5*. Just buy a select ticket from the friend point shop.
Oh shit I forgot that existed. Thanks.
I jerk off to Edna too much lately
games without the Arte Tree are the best ones
The arte tree exists for a reason but it should have stayed in Graces. Actually the series should have died after Graces, everything that came after it was just embarrassing.
Tales of hebephillia
I hated the fact that Xillia was left in the dust with no modern release but I went ahead and installed it on my Steam Deck with the undub patch and surprisingly it emulates on a handheld without a hitch which is really nice so I might go ahead and replay it. It's been a few years.
>Edna has panties
>But not Rinwell
So e-girl is a bodytype huh....
I had to mod panties into the game because the shorts on everyone was ruining my immersion.
Ristellebros, we need a Vesperia 2.
Flop
>colors are so wrong and design is so indistinct I didn't know it was Shionne until I saw the owl and the filename
>we're never having kino victory quotes/scenes in Tales again
it fricking hurts.
Still the last womanlet in Tales series
Rape
I loved Xillia and all the Tales games with the crazy Ufotable openings but Xillia 2 somehow made Xillia 1 worse for me by continuing a story that should have been left as is.
For me Berseria was the peak of the tales games and it's been a bit downhill since then. I loved the incestuous bro and sis antagonists and how in the ending you make a sacrifice with consequences that doom you to a role forever.
yep. not xillia 2 though, thats just a cheap cashgrab
Vesperia is peak Tales, but Xillia is also good.
Xillia? Not. Xillia 2? Yes.
Now when I think about it, I dislike most of Tales games.
Like: Phantasia, Destiny PS1, Symphonia, Rebirth, Abyss, Graces f, Xillia 2
Dislike: Eternia, Symphonia DotNW, Legendia, Tempest, Vesperia, Xillia, Zestiria
Hate so much I couldn't finish: Innocence, Hearts, Berseria, Arise
Jesus, I played them all, minus Destiny 2 JAP
RAPE
All BAMCO have to do is just make Symphonia to Vesperia gameplay with current graphics. That why Rays is still selling after all these years despite the PSP quality graphics
>Genis's kendama ball swinging actually looks dangerous and painful in Rays
did they?
What happened to Baba? Last Tales I played was Graces F. I have ignored the series since then, I only paid attention to some of the drama around Zesteria where popular opinion was the spear girl got shafted for director's waifu.
I bought Arise on sale, going to try it out soon.
>What happened to Baba?
got kicked out shortly after Zesteria came out, went to Square Enix, and got kicked out of there before even releasing a single game.
Apparently now he is with the FGO people
here
oh yeah, I forgot he made a shitty Sakura Wars Gacha that died so damn fast
>gays asking for absolute dated games to be HD remastered
homie just fricking emulate, same thing
I wanted to protect his smile
Is there anything in recent Tales games that feels as bad as everything involving Julius?
Im still mad
nope
Xilia 2 is peak Tales
>xillia
That's not how you spell Legendia