Tell it to me staight, as a huge fan of Diablo 2 and someone who skipped D3 should I get D4? Is it more like 2 than 3 was? What is worst about it?
Tell it to me staight, as a huge fan of Diablo 2 and someone who skipped D3 should I get D4?
Tell it to me staight, as a huge fan of Diablo 2 and someone who skipped D3 should I get D4? Is it more like 2 than 3 was? What is worst about it?
it's not good
watch a stream
level 10 character feels same as level 80, maps don't change, enemy level scaling, gear level scaling, number gets bigger but gameplay stays the same
just play d2 or grim dawn or titan quest
Thanks you actually solved my own questions. Been too lazy to watch but some online friendos have said "it's good" but I never trust normies or acquaintances. Was suspecting it's like this...
My nephew and I played it together and one day we quit after about 30 minutes and both agreed it was a boring and bad game. If I were you I would buy D2R
>number gets bigger but gameplay stays the same
Jesus frick I hate this in video games.
I play these kinds of games with the numbers turned off, so it was just me watching TTK jump up and down between zones while slowly trending up.
I turned them off because it was reminding me of D3
One thing I've noticed watching a few streams is every city looks the exact same. Like there is a layer of ash over everything. So boring to look at
Actually gets worse.
Hit level 20 and felt objectively weaker than at level 10.
Enemies become increasingly frustrating bullet sponges.
You legitimately just suck at the game if you're getting filtered by level 20 enemies
It's worse than both.
They missed a lot of very basic things to make the game more fun (or less aggravating), like build saving/swapping. Always online is also a huge downgrade for the game in general. You never feel like YOU'RE doing anything because someone is already doing it when you get there. The main dungeons are solo which is good, but you still have to rely on Blizzard servers (lol) to be up and stable at any given time.
The real deathblow suffered by the game is the scaling. In a series that's largely just been about NUMBERS GO UP, adding scaling that's this aggressive makes every single number that goes up feel utterly pointless. It's a terrible, terrible decision. The potion system is also moronic.
Overall, what they did to kill WoW over the course of 15 years they did all at once to D4; they streamlined all the fun out of it.
It's D3 with level scaling
It's arguably even worse than D3, which I consider quite the feat.
you clearly never played d3 on launch
I did and he's right
i don't believe you
I wasn't there at launch for D3, but I believe it
I remember shitting on it during the character select screen, since it was such a downgrade from the D2 one. That really set the tone for the rest of the game.
apparently it's a decent game
I'm not playing it because I refuse to give blizzard any money, but people who played it seem to agree it's good
It's not D2 though, neither in spirit nor in cultural impact
its a shitty unbalanced game
your character gets worse each time you level until lvl 95 when mobs stop scalling to your level, but getting there takes a lot of grinding because XP gains are very little
the engame is complete shit with absolute 0 incentive or rewards for doing it, you are better doing anything else to get gear rather than the endgame, but without a proper endgame there's not even a reason to get said gear in the first place so you are just wasting your fricking time.
only one uber boss that unlocks at lvl 100 and kills you with every hit unless your gear is perfect and use one of the bugged builds which blizzard is too incompetent to fix in time
shit story but that should be a given after 3
either wait for PoE 2 or stick to D2
thanks guys, I had the urge after watching a clip but he scaling does sound like the worst thing for a game like Diablo, are any of the classes neat?
the classes are fine tho barbarian as the hardest early/mid game but is the best late game.
tbh if you are gonna buy this crap i would wait at least until the first xpack drops 2 years from now on, if a dogshit game like D3 had an expansion there's no way this one won't, and Reaper of souls made D3 playable, D4 is playable and much better than D3 was at release, so the first expansion if handled properly should actually make it a decent ARPG, a second could even make it a competitor to PoE 2 but at this point whether that's gonna happend no one knows
>Try Diablo Immortal
>"Wow, this sucks."
>Try D3
>Realize Immortal is a slightly less shitty version of D3's campaign.
Please tell me 3 gets better after this terrible story mode.
It doesn't.
3's story is ass. Seasons are the only appeal.
Like you said, Immortal just runs through the same kind of shit but less bad. The difference is that after you run through it once in D3, you never have to do it again and can just enjoy the actual game as new characters. In Diablo Immortal, the mediocre campaign is the ONLY enjoyable part.
If you didn't get too far, restart D3 with a Season character, slam through story mode as fast as possible, and then try playing in Adventure mode.
IV is way worse than 3 in every way but visuals
as a huge fan of diablo 2 you are 45 years old
video games are not for you anymore
please spend $400 on a secondhand "PVM" and bore your wife with how good "RGB" looks with LEGEND OF THE MYSTICAL NINJA on your "sness"
you know they remade d2 and almost every single zoomer played that shit last year right?
I don't have time for remakes, so glad to hear you got to play it without DOSBox or whatever
D2 was millennial kiddy peak
how old you think millennials are?
Millenials are anything between 1981 and 1996 so some of them are nearing 40s now.
Just go play D3 you frickwit
i think im just gonna play the D2 remaster some more, I think they mostly nailed the art style
2023 D2 player, is there any build that walks around and presses more than one button 99% of the time?
all necro builds, most druid builds, most modern sin builds (sin got a massive glowup in d2r)
No but you should get D3 instead, it's on sale on the Switch for only $20 and you also get D2R as well (Diablo Prime Evil Collection)
don't make the mistake of buying the Diablo III Eternal Collection that's $10 more and does not include D2R
it's good, anyone complaining is nolife 24/7 and burnt out, and worse, geared up like shit. been playing everyday, finished all areas 100% reknown, t4 and only level 63
Just stop leveling after 70/80 and wait for expansion content, make a new char. it will only get better
>endgame is so shit that you would rather skip it
it can't be a good ARPG without a proper endgame
Diablo 2 doesn't have an endgame either though.
Diablo 2 was such an amazing and addictive game that people made their own endgame for it.
Guess what it was?
Fricking your mom's tight boipussy with my giant 2" asian peen.
Couldn't keep myself playing beyond the campaign because of the scaling and dogshit combat. I think you may be moronic or you just picked something op
you're level 63 and ONLY just now getting max renown.
Listen man, I was optimistic like you. I'm 85, and creating a new character did nothing for me. Straight back to dungeons.
It plays like an incredibly grindy mmo but with no people around. All the content is garbage fetch quests and all the skills are terrible until you get legendaries. And then when you level it all gets invalidated anyway due to scaling. Has to be the worst arpg I've ever played
Diablo 4 sucks and was an insult. They released D2R and then released this abomination. It's so weird. Like, what were they thinking? There's no endgame, no trading community, no builds that are actually cool and feel like an achievement once you get your good gear because every piece of gear feels worthless. I want to like D4 but I hate it
obinions
>Visually excellent, D4 night zones are peak diablo
>Story is fricking atrocious bad, it's like any other game's Act 1 but stretched out to 90% of the campaign, at which point it jumps to 11 for no reason then very abruptly ends
>Also a disgusting moronic freak c**t side character becomes inexplicably more important to the plot than Leah was to D3's (and honestly has more impact on the events of the story than fricking Lilith) despite being completely unlikeable, stupid, annoying, irrelevant, and VERY clearly blatantly shoehorned into the plot by a bluehair who seethed because everyone remembers Leah "despite" her being an attractive white girl
>the ending is incomprehensible, I paid attention the entire game and it's like the entire ending cutscene was in an alien language, nothing happening made sense in any regard, worst ending I've experienced in a long while
>Solid music
>Core gameplay mechanics are excellent, all buttons are relevant, abilities are snappy and generally fun to use
>Endgame mechanics are not, game basically falls apart the instant you finish the campaign
>Endgame consists of fullclearing the map of sidequests (required), fullclearing the map of every dungeon (required), slackjaw farming a specific random zone every few hours for 45 minutes (required for endgame craft mats), and doing special "nightmare dungeons" which are just harder versions of normal dungeons for nearly the exact same loot
>Mob density is pathetic
>Every dungeon requires manual travel to the entrance, combined with the super low mob density 70% of your gameplay is travel time
>Balance currently very bad, EVERY SINGLE sorc build is running all four Defensive node spells because everything else is seriously that bad, Druid is strong when geared to the teeth but is more like pulling teeth instead if you're anywhere but fully geared
>Your gameplay does not evolve, your character at level 25 (90m in) is the same at level 100 (weeks and weeks)
it's just boring. That's it.
People want to kill the Act bosses again, not do random bosses in dungeons. They don't want an MMO. The longtime players want to kill Diablo and Baal and Mephisto over and over again for better loot and levels.
>solid music
Is this a cope from people who buy these games?
Or maybe all they listen is fricking n- music
>Is it more like 2 than 3 was?
no
>shilling a dogshit remaster with worse art across the board except a slight environment upgrade, because you're an ultra poorgay irl and can't even afford D4
This board is genuinely the most shit place on the internet to ask for advice lol
Wrong
Get out of here, man, D4 sucks nutsack
d4 hate is so weird
and most of it comes from the moronic d2 Black folk
There were so many things they did wrong with Diablo 4 that it's impossible to get all of them in a single post. D2 will still be played even once all the first time players of D4 and any ARPG have moved onto new games. D4 has no staying power and is just a distraction from D2 for a while. D2 was a perfect ARPG with good loot mechanics and classes and looking at Diablo 4 compared to D2, I have no idea how they fricked up so bad. D2R must have been made by a different group
>D4 has no staying power
People said the same thing about D3 and it lasted for a decade.
It really didn't. They kept updating it to make it less shit. The only reason I kept playing it was to get high on the Leaderboard, where I got Number 2 Crusader in the world, as I chose not to switch classes and get more Paragon points. I role-played as the leader of the classes as Crusader, which was gratifying.
However, the itemization was terrible and I only started playing after RoS.
ironically even..
Skip Diablo 4, play Diablo 5 instead.
idk man as a casual I'm enjoying it
If you enjoyed D3 you will love D4, if you are a D2 guy that either stopped at it or went for PoE you will hate it.
Game is all right but World Tier IV is fricking raw and shouldnt even exist at this moment given it is 0 content.
should i get the d2 and 3 bundle on switch?
D2 and Path of Exile are the only true good ones that stay true to what Diablo formula was, so I say get it so you can play D2R with some friends who can teach you what you're trying to get as any character you choose
even diablo 3 is better than it
no
what's the point of this webm?
>zoomer npc brain gets fried at the sight of someone goofing around in a video game
why he's not using his resource generator to do the move??
>why he's not using his resource generator to do the move??
>*bocks your path*
That's the game right there. That's the place to be
THIS is what you guys want out of your shit loot piñatas? I almost thought D4 was going to be a decent action game based on the trailers but the beta proved me wrong and that it's the usual dogshit with these games.
I'd rather just play something like Planescape: Torment, where the shit easy combat is at least balanced by the roleplaying.
d2 is dogshit
play medianXL
have a nice day
memedian isn't diablo
The scaling completely ruins the game. What is the point to even play if you are only getting weaker the more you level up? How can you frick up something as simple as the power progression in an aRPG?
I have no idea. Imagine how they just could have made each area a lower level than you just like it was in Diablo 2, but no, they have to make it some sort of new thing that makes no sense. They're awful developers and everyone has suffered because of these frickers
I'm gonna go play Street Fighter I think. I'm giving up on seeing how this game can ever be good
they never figured out what made D2 good, this is a game for a different crowd, if anything
>D2
>good
hah thats a good one anon
>What is worst about it?
They will implement Seasonal Event system like in Diablo 3 where everyone is forced to play the game like a rat race and make new characters or choose to reset the progress of your already existing character to join and have the seasonal rewards. You will never have the time to enjoy these rewards as you're focused on reaching a high point in the game for the season before the next season comes and do the same shit all over again.
>everyone is forced to play the game like a rat race and make new characters
this is a flat out lie right? why are they nerfing the exp for grinding spots then?
>this is a flat out lie right?
have you never played an ARPG?
whats even worse is they are locking new story updates behind seasons aswell
AND build diversity is fricking shit so each class has like 2(if their lucky) builds
And although they "removed sets" youre still pigeonholed into using whats effectively a set since youll want a certain set of stats(usually crit chance+crit damage+vulnerable damage+ damae to close or far enemies) and youll more or less run the exact same aspects as everyone else using your main skill
>whats even worse is they are locking new story updates
All the important story bits will come to eternal realm too.
>whats even worse is they are locking new story updates behind seasons aswell
who the frick thought thats a good idea? what the fuuuck.. so now people need to do the story quests all over again AND then do the new story updates.. that's so fricking dumb.
>you can skip main story
but you get less quest and now its kinda important for extra exp because they literally keep patching easy grinding spots and techniques lmao
How do I make necro fun to play
hit the escape key and click leave game, then create a sorc
pet builds arent viable and full sac builds make you a shittier sorc without teleport
The raison d'être for Diablo 4 is that Blizzard needed another live-service product since they completely mismanaged the Overwatch IP into oblivion. Diablo 4 is designed around that purpose and you see almost everywhere in the game. So if you find live-service Diablo to be an enticing idea, yeah, go for it. Otherwise, you don't get anything new compared to Diablo 2 that would warrant a switch. The "open-world" doesn't really affect anything and seems to be in there just so they can list it as a "feature" in marketing.
Diablo 4 is the most boring product Blizzard have made for quite some time. But to be fair, that's exactly what they need as a company right now.
this homie smart. anons should consider this anon's views carefully: d4 was a reactionary product that started development after the 2019 fiasco with diablo immortal being made. they had no personal drive to actually create d4 in the first place. this reactionary production meant that it was designed by committee rather than some dedicated spergs.
I mean, it's a solid 7/10. I don't understand why people hype that game up. It's nothing Blizzard haven't done before.
Buy it, give corporations your hard earned money, they deserve it. You dont deserve your money. Eat the goyslop.
Currently level 77 twisting blades rogue
>drops stop improving outside of base def/attack at 725 item level(gear has barely upgraded since level 60)
>item level requirements are your current level when they drop making giving gear to alts near impossible
>paragon leveling is slow as frick and your gameplay does not change at all post 50
>uniques are all pretty shit and boring
>the few good uniques are insanely rare, most likely locked to 820+ ilevel drops
>every class feels resource starved and slow
>none of the endgame systems feel rewarding as they all give garbage loot and XP, even the glyph XP that nightmare dungeons gives feels bad, helltides are the least shit but you HAVE to do them for unique upgrade materials and they are IRL timegated
>horse handles like shit and feels slow unless you burn all 3 spur charges so it runs at a decent speed for 5 seconds
>dungeons and their bosses feel extremely copy pasted, half of the objectives feel like a chore that starts feeling really shitty after doing them a few times
class feels resource starved and slow
As a barb this was only a problem around level 20-40. At 66 I have fury for days and I can chain tons of 60 fury HotAs without issue.
It's ok. Better than D3. It's a solid 6-7/10 game. Aside from some missing QoL features and the balance being a bit ass, it's a good enough game.
i bought d3 at release and gave up on it immediately because its style sucks. this game actually has decent art direction...
Can anybody even compare that even played diablo 3? All anyone ever says is the same shit. LEVEL SCALING DURRR NUMBERS GO UP DRRRRR. What about the fricking content? Is it just running bounties and greater rifts at endgame like diablo 3?
>nightmare dungeons
replacement for greater rifts, just maps from PoE but with a small pool of modifiers that arent all that interesting, have to use sigil to activate the dungeon than run to it for no bonus XP compared to running it normal but finishing it lets you apply a small amount of XP to glyphs for your paragon board
>helltide
open world event that spawns every other hour for 1 hour where you farm mobs for a currency drop to open chests for materials only found here that are needed for upgrades aswell as loot but the loot is shit 99% of time
>tree of whispers
Similiar in structure to bounties, go to this zone do a handful of events to fill bar, return to tree and get a random cache with shit rewards and garbage xp(I currently need 9million xp for next level and tree will give me 120k xp for a full turn in)
>PVP
unbalanced gankfest purely for cosmetics
D3 is a much better game
>no bonus XP
There may not be a modifier but you get a lot more XP from nightmare scaled enemies than standard enemies.
>small amount of XP to glyphs
You gotta run higher tier dungeons, not a criticism.
>helltide chests have shit loot
Well like you said it's mainly farmed for the material that lets you reroll modifiers, but also you need to loot the mystery chests because they have the best loot.
>tree of whispers
>random cache of shit rewards
Apparently all rewards are shit to you, because you can get the exact same loot here as anywhere else
The only legitimate "shit loot" criticism would be Obols which don't allow you to get Ancestral loot until level 73 even if you're on WT4 at like level 60.
>pvp
Now I do agree that is poorly balanced.
>There may not be a modifier but you get a lot more XP from nightmare scaled enemies than standard enemies.
You get the same XP, the only modifer is 25% for an enemy being 3+ levels higher
>You gotta run higher tier dungeons, not a criticism.
im running high30s/low 40s and levels like 10-15 start taking multiple runs to the point the level 95-106 enemies are sponges because of armor/hp scaling
>Well like you said it's mainly farmed for the material that lets you reroll modifiers, but also you need to loot the mystery chests because they have the best loot
thats all I open, up to 4x per helltide since the 2 chests reset on the hour
>Apparently all rewards are shit to you
Tree of whispers is 100% garbage just as bad as obols, Ive been on WT4 since level 56(now 78) and they still drop almost entirely sacred items(and a small amount at that)
I didnt touch on obols because I forgot about them, Ive been capped on them for last 2 weeks and they vendor is capped at worse than what I have equipped, I could burn them on alts I guess
all of my gear is between 750 and 809 ilvl except for my pants sitting at 680 because I cant find another pair of quad(or tri even) damage reduction thats over 725 for max level mods
>you get the same xp but more because enemies are higher level
So what I said
>high 30s/low 40s
XP here isn't even that bad but you're not even halfway through NM tiers yet, you will earn more later
>10-15 takes multiple runs
As it should, you're not supposed to level up every single dungeon. Upgrading glyphs really just gives you x% more damage healing or defense so it's not like it's necessary to upgrade besides to make number go marginally up
>4 per helltide
Good tip, I didn't realize it resets on the hour
>tree of whispers only drops sacreds
I forgot, you're correct actually it works the same way as Obols. Once you are level 73 ancestrals will begin to drop. You say you're 78 so you should be there.
It also sounds like you're almost fully geared so you might just need to lower your content expectations
Why are our californian diversity hires not making a good game???? Reeeee
It is because of the racists! Yes, it is their fault +
>Skipped D3
You'd have more fun with 3 than 4.
it is a lost ark clone with a diablo skin over it, do with that info what you will
>every actual gaymer loves it
>Ganker hates it
every time
Barbarian is so fricking boring to play
The class requires a massive design and ability revamp
It's not good, but personally I prefer it to 3
probably just stick to d2 tbqhwyf
D3 was simple, small map, easy to group and do dungeons, the dungeons were packed with monsters, it played really fast.
D4 the world is like 10 times bigger. There is a ton of stuff to do. But like 1/3rd the amount of monsters and it plays slower.
D4 looks way better than 3 and has way better art and atmosphere. D4 will definitely be better long term, they just need to tweak the gameplay and monster density a bit.
also forgot d4 has level scaling which is shit. You go back somewhere you were before with way better gear and it still takes the same effort to kill something as it always scales to your gear.
Diablo > Diablo 2 > LOD > Diablo 3 > Diablo Immortal > Diablo 4
(Old)PoE>D3/D2>D4>(Modern)PoE>D1
PoEgays are malding because it made their favourite """""game""""" even more irrelevant
I wish PoE wasnt mid league because D4s WW barb desperately makes me want to play cyclone
It's a 5/10 ARPG but it gets elevated to 7/10 by drones for being a Blizzard game and then to 9/10 for being Diablo in a dead market where PoE destroyed its own dominance by releasing dogshit leagues for 2 years straight.
Same thing is happening to Zelda. Dogshit game's getting elevated by branding because of how long it takes for anything to release anymore.
play poe
can you play poe with a controller?
so the build i enjoy gets ruined in the next season?
i rather not
#1 thing i hate is no trading.
friend looted 3 unique chest peices i need for any sorc build, and i havent found 1.
Diablo 4 is missing the A from ARPG. You walk and walk and walk and there are no monsters then you talk to some hobo that tells you nonsense and you walk and walk and kill 5 monsters then walk and walk and talk to some women about some stupid shit and walk and walk. It's boring dogshit.
>as a huge fan of Diablo 2 and someone who skipped D3 should I get D4?
Maybe
>Is it more like 2 than 3 was?
Yes, but neither are all that close.
>What is worst about it?
Always online. Ripoff price.Boring endgame with samey dungeons. Some stats/skills literally don't work because Blizzard.