>ten years old
>fluff still reads in broad handwaves like "the [faction] swept over innumerable cities and civilisations in conquest" without actually filling in any details or giving any morsel
There's page after page, book after book, of nu40k-tier "named plastic character did X then Y" featuring other £50 plastic character models, but absolutely pathetic worldbuilding.
For example, there's like one fleshed out city in Azyr, the "Realm of the Heavens", one with a few paragraphs about how heavenly it is, then six other named cities with basically one line about them.
Meanwhile there's a dozen different types of Stormcast HQ unit types. Great.
I think I've cracked it. It's just how on-the-nose AoS is about being, from the start, an exercise in selling miniatures with no free role for the designers in it, there's no desire to actually make a world properly. Like the original Warhammer originated in GW wanting people to have a way to use all their RPG miniatures at the same time, which is basically the same aim, but with so much free reign for writers, sculptors, artists, they really could put their love into it. I'm sure some of the underpaid nuGW design team soiboys love AoS, but they don't really get the chance to impart that love on it when every single thing has already been decided for them.
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The "freedom" argument was always lie, probably one dreamed up in marketing and commanded go the writers. Smegmar has cereal box writing. Like Chex Quest level, lol.
You shut your prostitute moron! No one bashed Chex Quest
still reads in broad handwaves like "the [faction] swept over innumerable cities and civilisations in conquest" without actually filling in any details or giving any morsel
This isn't true at all. Every underworlds and warcry warband has some extremely specific small scale story to them.
Exactly, it's centered around the toys rather than being for the sake of itself
Is this the part where we pretend WFB was free of this
Nobody in this thread has played WFB
Every setting has pathetic worldbuilding when you refuse to read the worldbuilding.
The setting also has pathethic worldbuilding when it has pathethic worldbuilding
i think they were maybe trying to go for a MTG but in model format.
But MTG sucks now so, AoS also sucks.
Its like how Bethesda just copied Mass effect but Mass Effect ended up sucking
The mtg aos observation is a good one, someone that plays/played mtg should expand on that.
What's there to expand on? MTG is Marvel but in generic fantasy settings. The "lore" is a bunch of generic uninteresting Planeswalkers (super heroes that get to travel le ebic multiverse!) go to World of Hats XYZ, fight each other over Macguffin of the month, then usually someone "wins" in le unforeeseenable tweest and flees to the next plane and everyone follows them OR they all put aside their differences for ebic crossover showdown #257 to fight generic evil race invader #17. No one of relevance ever dies, the popular characters never die, nothing matters, nothing changes, and now they're into the cowboys and Indians setting where there are no Indians, the cowboys don't use guns, and everyone is wearing a cowboy hat because it's the wild west even though Hasbro has made sure nothing problematic gets to rear it's stock hurting head so there's literally nothing in the setting that would actually make it like the wild wes.
It's not some great revelation of that MTG and GW share the same shit writing. All contemporary fantasy settings share the same bland shit writing. None of the writers who are allowed into these industries now have any talent. That's why literally every scifi/fantasy/superhero movie nade in the last 20 years feels exactly the same, because they are.
>All contemporary fantasy settings share the same bland shit writing. None of the writers who are allowed into these industries now have any talent.
It's sad that you actively read only the worst corporate tie-in slop and convince yourself there's nothing better. There are great books out there, mate. Stop tying yourself down.
Magic used to have good writing and interesting characters, back when it was a multi-planar showdown between H.R Giger Satan and an autistic war criminal with a love of centuries long eugenics experiments.
Now its just...fricking sad. The planes had a lot of thought and planning in them. The worlds had time to grow because we spent multiple sets on them. Now, and I still can't figure out why, WotC is focused on lightning fast releases. One plane for each set. Its so hurried and quick we never have any time to spend there, its all started to blur and its very obvious that they can't keep up the pace because the worldbuilding quality is going down and down with every new release.
AoS...has a different problem IMO. Its that they bury all the cool stuff they have (and there is cool stuff there) in favour of pushing whatever new model is coming out.
Ulfrenkarn is cool. All the stuff I've read for it is cool. A shame its stuck in the shadows of a boxed game that sold like shit and we'll never see it again.
The Silent Ones are cool. A shame they're nothing but background fluff with maybe 1 piece of art.
Ogres are cool. A shame they're nothing but NPC's and they'll never get to do anything cool.
The chaos warbands they came up with for Warcry are cool. A shame they're being squatted because lmao GW.
And so it goes.
>Now, and I still can't figure out why, WotC is focused on lightning fast releases.
Do you not understand the concept of money?
It's all a clever strategy to make people yearn for old stuff because new stuff is so shit.
Its genius
>fluff still reads in broad handwaves like "the [faction] swept over innumerable cities and civilisations in conquest" without actually filling in any details or giving any morsel
Name 1 (one) GW ip that doesnt do that
Back in the day artists and writers could just make up shit to fill in the blanks with interesting stuff, nowdays everything has to fit into the product catalogue. All the while screaming how (You) have total freedom. Meanwgile nothing means anything past the Marvel MCU -aping metaplot.
Siege of Vraks
30k Campaign books give a detailed breakdown of how every major battle plays out in a campaign, coupled with notes on the roles of key players and their relationships with other significant members of the campaign.
NTA but 30k campaign books are a holdover from Forge World and are very much the exception to the rest of GW. They tried to have an equivalent for Fantasy but it went nowhere and Fantasy was stuck with the broad strokes stuff.
The mainline GW stuff never overly concerned itself with details.
Wrong.
They often went into (poorly thought out) detail. Read any of the 2e dexes, any of the IA from 4e and before, any of the material surrounding the Inquisition.
Literally compare the ALL the fluff about the Psychophage with any Tyranid unit's fluff pre 2009.
As someone who has spent way too much time flipping through old codexes, I assure you, even if it's British Engineering, 1000x more brain power went into the older material. It was always to satisfy sales, but the people doing it used to like what they were doing and have latitude to do it.
>any of the IA from 4e and before
Those are Forge World, not mainline GW.
Warhammer
>THE EMPIRE
>THE DARK LANDS
>THE BAD LANDS
Where they even trying with these names?
They were probably named by the orcs, so yeah, thei fit.
The empire is self-explanatory
Badlands is a type of biome that you can find IRL.
Darklands because it is inhabited by Orcs or whatever.
Ukraine means borderland, most place names are actually very simple in their native language.
How is that different from modern AOS maps ? We have the exact same shit, with mountain ranges, rivers, forests, names for the overall area and dots with a name symbolising cities.
Because, you fricking brainlet, the conversation was around conquests and campaigns having detailed routes and cities they actually attacked instead of vague statements.
Each of those Waaaghs also has a history you can look up with details about what happened.
Same for the ones in my picture here, so what is your point ? Never heard of the siege of Excelsis ?
Or the siege of Everquake city in White Dwarf. Tons of fun rules, territory conquest, even guides to craft your own terrain, something that had practically been absent for 5 or so years on WD, retooling specialist game assets (Cursed City) for another game etc... It ran for nearly 6 months and was absolutely dope, wait no can't say that word, it was B.A.S.E.D and SOVL
Contrarians sucking off something they either did not know, or remember to love because they simply were in a period of their life where the going was easier. I collected and played some WHFB back in the day, and it was a tiresome rehash of constant non-events because the setting was absolutely fossilized. I was glad the End Times came because to me the setting was already dead, even if the writing was a mess. And I played Tomb Kings. Let the things you've loved die, or watch them turn into something you hate and do not recognise.
did Deepkin really need an entire new setting to be added?
I mean the old world had oceans, just put them there
Kinda redundant with dark elves in a pirate elf hunting for slaves and uses lots of beasts department, no?
Not really considering they’re nothing alike in motives or personality
Deepkin are fricking NEETs who hate themselves. They don’t even take slaves and unless I’m forgetting something do some wierd ass shit to tame their animals as opposed to conventional methods
It's supposed to be 'freedom to paint your guys whatever' but practically it's because the people who fancy themselves as being better writers than tolkein pretty much only draw on existing media and aren't very smart, so what they write is garbage.
That's what makes AoS players truly the cringiest. Nu-GW is crap, let's be honest. But at least 40k and WHF players have their legacy to build on, play with, etc. Those 2 respective Warhammer worlds were created in the '80s by a bunch of nerds. Nerds with a vision, with a passion for fantasy and history. They actually WANTED to worldbuild, to indulge in their fantastical creativity. Even if nu-GW tries to shoehorn in the odd black Space Marine or Bretonnian, the classic lore and world of 40k and WHF is still there. The stories, the characters, the artwork, etc, it's all there. A bit like how Game of Thrones was utterly ruined by its final seasons, but the legacy of both the books and first 4 seasons will always live on, will always be there, will always serve as a cool source of escapism or inspiration. The bad parts can kinda just be ignored.
This is not true for Age of Sigmar. It was not developed by a bunch of British nerds who wanted to combine DnD and history. It was developed by bald homosexuals in suits who wanted to maximise profits with the least amount of effort and investment. World building, lore, art, etc takes a backseat. What's prioritised is selling "Premium Miniatures At Premium Prices™". That's the end game. Your wallet, their hands. Everything apart from the actual sculpting and production of miniatures is trivial in comparison. Why would GW make a rich, interesting world when 12 year old Timmy doesn't care about any of that and just wants to buy HECKIN COOL STORMCAST? And AoS players will literally HOOVER this shit up, ready for their next serving of nu-GW slop.
>muh nerds
>muh suits
>muh GoT slop
You are such a moron.
Unable to counterpoint anything so just resorting to insults, huh?
My mom said it's wrong to make morons feel bad
>Muh old good
Most of what people accolated with either settings is pretty recent.
*associate
Me not English well.
>They actually WANTED to worldbuild, to indulge in their fantastical creativity.
>fantastical creativity
Warhammer Fantasy is one of the most generic fantasy settings every made. Which shouldn't be a surprise considering it was literally designed around the generic fantasy minis that GW was already making for D&D players.
>Warhammer Fantasy is one of the most generic fantasy settings every made.
Please remind us another fantasy settings based on Rennaisance aesthetic, green skinned orcs and elves based on Moorwiener rather than Tolkien, while dwarves on the opposite rather based on Tolkien than DnD
Show you a setting with green orcs, good elves named high elves, evil elves named dark elves, and Germanic dwarves? Like 80% of them?
Half the shit that made WFB interesting was stuck in the cuck closet and irreverent as frick what the hell are you talking about?
>Germanic dwarves
>WHFB
LMAO
>Like 80% of them?
This is why you failing to name them?
nta, but the dwarfs are closer to the scots, which is the most common thing for dwarfs to look and sound like.
>, but the dwarfs are closer to the scots
Yeah because lamassu is such common mythological creature in celtic folklore
we were talking about the dwarfs, not the chaos dwarfs.
Lamassu is Chorfs and also the Scots aren't Celtic. They're Anglo-Saxon (Germanic).
The Scots or Scotii were a Gaelic people. Yes, many people of Anglo-Saxon background ended up part of the old Kingdom of Scotland's elite, particularly post Norman and "Scots" language is derivative of English, but true Scots have ever been Celtic.
The Scotii were a Gaelic people, correct. They also haven't been the majority in Scotland for hundreds of years now, at least half a century I'd say. Most Scottish people today are descended from Anglo-Saxons, the Flemish or the Normans (modern immigration aside). You only need to look at a typical Scot's last name to confirm this, they'll have names like "Brown", "Richmond" or "Stewart". Most Scottish Gaels were killed, forced to leave or assimilate in the 17 and 1800s, particularly during the Highland Clearances. Some Scots today might have Irish ancestry, but your average, typical native Scot is absolutely not Celtic. They're Celtic in the same way that parts of France, England and Spain are "Celtic". Trace elements from hundreds or thousands of years ago doesn't really count.
I though they were all named MacGregor or MacDonald or MacDougall?
The sigpigger once again reveals his ignorance: WHF Dwarfs are - except for one odd northern hold that everyone thinks are weirdos and the Norse Dwarfs that everyone *knows* are weirdos - are canonically Yorkshiremen. W
so basically scotsmen
yes.
Dwarves are literally israeli if you have read tolkein you pleb. It’s where the whole holding generational grudges thing comes from.
>uhh no you're wrong because [other setting]
Spectacularly moronic non-argument.
nope.jpg. Tolkien explicitly said he didnt intend them to be israeli. Though he could see the analogy.
Pretty much everything in LoTR is some variation of Anglo-saxon
Elves based rather on Irish myths and speaks mongolian, half of humans on Welsh, dwarves on Semitic mythology
The general cosmology is italian
What an utterly moronic take. Please exit from this board.
>highly insular even when living amongst others
>greedy to a fault
>keep a list of grudges over the pettiest of reasons
>consider themselves humanity's greatest ally, constantly hide behind and kill humans
>those excommunicated from The Tribe have to atone with blood
>matriarchal culture
Sounds pretty hebrew to me.
>Scots
No they literally aren't at all.
Warhammer dwarves all have Northern English accents (Yorkshire/northumbria) - the whole grudge / grumbling thing is fitting
See anon you messed up WFB are notorious historical autists considering it’s a historical fiction setting. What you should’ve said was Anglo-Saxon dwarves and he would’ve popped a boner right there
Being a generic fantasy with its own flavor isn't a bad thing, quite the opposite. People DO WANT to play in some kind of tolkienverse. Fantasy authors make a mistake of trying to make their worlds as distinct and bizzare as possible. AoS makes the same mistake, hence evil elves flying on sharks. There's a thin line between being original and cool and being absurd and overdone.
>IDK
>evil
>black Space Marine
I paint all my space marines with brown skin lol
My elves have green skin
My goblins pink
Idgaf
Took a look at the AoS RPG just out of curiousity, and it's just the standard 21st century DEI type shlock
Mobility scooter bloatlords as a gluttony-themed Slaanesh subfaction would be kino tho.
> mobility scooter bloat lords
So 65% of the current GW tournament attendee audience
Stop trying to take the lizardmen's gimmick anon.
If you want diabetus scooters the Slann are right there.
I hope we get a fat black women on the mobility chair as the faction lead for cities of Sigmar.
>Agloraxi Prism
>is a cube
Prism
>>is a cube
Cube is a type of prism.
What's wrong with cool spiderchairs?
Probably an early blunder like the "Mortuary Factory" type maps that still make me lel, but it's funny how these are meant to be vast realms, with like dozens of continents, and then 3 of the cities I've actually heard of are like two days' walk from each other.
Like this type of stuff that we don't see anymore
this is the level of stuff i produced as a kid
I made better stuff as a kid
>the unreachable mountain
Shit is too funny
The only way this map could be remotely acceptable is if it was in entirely black and white pencil sketches, was covered in esoteric runes and occult symbolism mixed with blood and coffee stains, and was presented as something somebody came up with after listening to 36 hours of Vivec ranting about CHIM and the realms of oblivion and was signed by Michael Kirkbride in the bottom corner.
kek
Is this official art or satire? I'm not joking or baiting. I legitimately can't tell. If it's official it's fricking embarrassing. Looks like something a bored 12 year old would make in Paint 3D
It was in some of the thin books GW vomited on the market at launch. This one was about the naked midgets killing vampires or something.
>naked midgets killing vampires or something
w-who killing vampires?
Remember slayers from warhammer fantasy? That's them but as a whole army
Official
That scale works for a grimdark sci fi setting. Aos is fantasy and went for a more noblebright tone.
>went for a more noblebright tone.
The first published AoS works features an entire prologue of cannibals running from other cannibals while they passed the ruined and desecrated remains of their civilization slowly starving to death because Khorne worshippers went so fricking hard on killing and worshipping that the water on said continent turned into blood before opening into stormcast and Khorne warriors ripping each others arms off
What are you talking about lmao
Having villains does not preclude that. AoS had pretty clear and irreproachable good guys and protagonists in the Stormcast and Sigmar. They even made them Immortal.
Like with Tau, they later tried to write in 'subtle' negatives but the foundation was pretty fricking clear and it still taints the setting.
>Having villains does not preclude that
The point isn’t about the villains the point was the tone. The tones was of warriors going into hell to stop it from turning into super hell. Those books were filled with edge and grimdark even from the Stormcast and especially from the survivors. You don’t know what you’re talking about
moron, read the 3e tau codex, the same shit they have today is still fricking there, just not written out in bright red crayon
I know aos fans keep writing out these things but muh. Just doesn't hit. And also like whole continent of blood it's just sounds like a 12 yr old wrote it its not grim it's just edgy and derpy.
If you don’t think there’s nothing grim about dying, and then technically dying again, and finally being remade to fight an eternal war against your descendents who believe you abandoned them in the remnants of your home twisted by the chaos gods while you slowly lose your humanity if you aren’t outright destroyed then I don’t know what to tell you? Maybe pretend that it’s happening in Germany?
Did you write this with crayons?
No I didn’t include the Brettonians knights yet
The direbrands of the great parch in aqshy
You could say this about literally every single part of warhammers IP and universes unless we’re about to pretend that Warhammer is high brow literature in which case you have to go back
What continent which civilizations. Ah yes the countless lands the countless dead... might as well be zero
It was some map drawn for a campaign like a month after AoS' release, it tells a lot that their best argument is a 10 years old map
This is what i like about AOS in spirit. Obvously the execution at first was laughably bad but im down for a more gonzo cosmic shitbrew setting from warhammer.
Some of it works later on, like how the vision Nurgle had when nagash begans his plan to end all life was the ouroboros that made the rom of his cauldron vomiting its tail out and spilling the new gray and dusty brew on the floor and him desperately trying to put its tail back in its mouth.
>gonzo cosmic shitbrew Warhammer
I'll take "What Is Realms of Chaos" for 500 Alex.
Even the few positive elements of AoS had already been done better before.
>vale of bulls
Moar liek vale of cucks
its just so insulting to WFB
>wargames fluff about selling miniatures
more news at 11!!!
>le fluff
This is what spergs call lore right?
Zoomer or bait
Have you tried not playing AoS?
You dont get it. AoS is sovl BECAUSE the secondaries stay away. You have no uhm actually lore autists, you have no shitty youtubers, you have no shitty c tier memes. It stays below the radar of the filth and thus archives what all grogs dream about when speaking of gatekeeping.
You don't understand gatekeeping, you faux nerd
fake grog cope
Isn't TOW the fake grog game, seeing as it's just AoS for people who want to pretend they actually played WHFB?
My issue with AoS(used tk be 40k too, but they veered off it recently) is that their art ONLY shows unmodified, official models.
Look at the giant in the foreground on the left has the EXACT SAME MACE as the ine in the back, down to the beast skull pommel.
You're telling me a race of giant marauding barbarian morons can have uniformity? Why? Because they have 3 mini variations for them and thats how they "officially" look like.
Shit is boring, uninspired, you cant have people wanting to be interested in the lore if you cant deviate from the minis.
No stormcast covered in skulls. No orks (sorry, orruks) oozing ghosts from his armor. No chaos warrior with insane mutations.
No tech priest mini look like pic rel. But its awesome to see because you know its possible. It gives depth to the universe.
You get art like that in 40k once a decade now lmao. I think the last time I saw “off model” art was those weird ass Xenos. I barely count space marines with a extra few bits attached to them
After spending two editions being boring, the new 40k codexes has wild art as cover. And space marines with new bits added to them is not even what we have with stormcasts. Just the same with different colors.
I only don’t count them because they make up the majority of the art that’s off model that I’ve seen. Like we can’t get some art of some random imperial guard regiment we never heard of getting assblasted by some rando ass Xenos or something
Oh shit is that recent? Since when did GW start employing good artists again?
>i cannot draw feet so i obscure them
who is this "artist"?
>fluff still reads in broad handwaves like "the [faction] swept over innumerable cities and civilisations in conquest" without actually filling in any details or giving any morsel
This is all fiction. You want history.
No one in the fantasy genre actually likes fantasy. All these homosexuals want is a sterile genre full of historical fiction wearing a trench coat called fantasy
Nah mate, the problem is that you don't want fantasy, you want a Saturday morning cartoon written for eight year olds designed to sell toys.
>ten years old
And it *still* has nothing of value to offer anyone but unashamed, unabashed, uncomprehensibly homosexualized paypigs.
And look man, I've tried. I actually really have. After ten years of work they've actually managed to develop a few faction aesthetics I find interesting - ghosties, nuSC, baloondorfs etc - but there's just *nothing there*. There's nothing to invest in or care about, both because what is there is such utterly fricking juvenile sanitized corposlop and because it never settles the frick down and explores a status quo in detail. As soon as they even start to hint about the vaguest details about how these people live or what the actual rules of the fictional world are they whirl away on another
>OH NO Gorlb Shittentitten Grandest Champion of Nurgle has invaded the peaceful megahamlet of Glorious Resolvenberg, but don't worry gamers Helga Queen of Yaas, the Hammer of Diversity, bearer of the Sidecut of Doomendeathenkill rides out at the head of a massive host of the BRAND NEW BUY NOW BUY NOW Ultrakiller Chamber to save the day and so after you buy the campaign book revealed in this month's White Dwarf none of this will matter and we'll move on to the next "event"
tangent. It's fricking exhausting. WHF, even Trek, SW, BT etc they have these whole detailed worlds, all the factions are compelling and more than an aesthetic, and if the company does something moronic you can just ignore it cos you already have a complete version of the setting to base all your own fluff in. AoS is just endless FOMOchurn with no real foundation, and since that's by design and intentional on GW's part, *that's* why AoS sucks shit and always will.
Cope as hard as you like, but AoS is explicitly intended to cultivate and farm uncritical paypigs who just want to Consume Next Product, and that's what you are.
>Nah mate, the problem is that you don't want fantasy, you want a Saturday morning cartoon written for eight year olds designed to sell toys.
Sure thing buddy it’s why my favorite setting is literally just Europe with magic in it where half the setting is full of Saturday morning cartoons and the other half is relevant just enough to tell you how irreverent the rest of the setting is
>uhhhh why do these people have to like grounded fantasy, don't they know my RPG group plays as LITERAL DEMI-GODS against 10,000,000 daemons and we are so le epik
British people like mudcore, which is why GW attempting high fantasy is such a vapid car crash
>it’s grounded because it’s on earth!
>Nevermind the magic space alien toads with their magic space alien genetically engineered lizards riding literal dinosaurs
>Nevermind the 7 trillion rats living under every single city in the setting building nukes and creating entirely new races of rats with nuclear fission and 40k genetic modification
>Nevermind the fact that the empire the only faction that ever mattered ever literally would not have a birth rate to combat warhammer’s battles
>nevermind the fact that every single forest in every single party of the world has an infinite amount of Beastmen some how not destroying logistics everywhere
I see the problem it’s not on earth so you can’t understand fantasy concepts anymore. I’m really sorry for you. Maybe if you pretend there’s a literal Norman knight next to a picture of Greywater or the Living City you might finally be able to get it. Sorry again anon
>Nevermind the fact that the empire the only faction that ever mattered ever literally
Lmao, no. The main anti-chaos faction in WFB that actually held shit together were the high elves, the Empire were simply the preferred victims of chaos. Sigmar was minor regional god of no particular importance and Taal was the chief diety of the human Pantheon.
>grounded fantasy means it’s grounded on earth
Dawg look at my traditional games what the frick happened. We have to go back
>AoS is just endless FOMOchurn with no real foundation, and since that's by design and intentional on GW's part, *that's* why AoS sucks shit and always will.
As OP I couldn't have said it better myself.
I guess a lot of these AoSpiggies are new wargamers who don't realise the torrent of "narrative" releases of £40 supplement books is a new evolution, and that editions used to last like 6 years and get two supplements with 50 pages of absolute gold in them instead of 2000 pages of Dawnbringer sloppa.
> 50 pages of absolute gold in them
Such as?
God I love the ominous vibe in EoT. New booklets read like wiki articles.
>And then Vorrkarr Demonsbane exploded everyone.
>And then Lion killed Angron.
Wasn’t the lion and Angron fight like 7 pages of back and forth through the innards of a demon planet
I gave it a shot too. There are some aesthetics I like, but the setting just feels so bland, safe and lifeless. I've done a few skirmishes with friends who let me borrow their armies, the LGS who were trying to get a new player (used to do 40k) and the game is just meh. I gave it a second shot when a friend gave me Realms of Ruin. Allegedly it had characters, be damned if I can remember a single one. The orks didn't feel very orky, and the rest of the villains were just ho-hum. I'm not sure what I expected, but the whole game was a by-the-numbers fantasy setting with lore that's thousand miles wide, but a centimeter deep in most cases. I just can't be bothered to care about it. There is no passion behind it, if there is a diamond hidden in that mountain of soulless corporate schlock, I can't be bothered to dig it out. Also incredibly tired of stoic, ugly girl bosses with a sidecut in any medium, but that's a rant for a different thread.
Absolute truth.
AoS worldbuilding is literally engineered to keep shitting minis without having to justify frick all
>interconnected realms n shieet
>whatever, whenever, who cares!
Since they dont have to adhere to a cohesive worldbuilding with a setting, background, historical facts, and places, they dont have any limitation, thus enabling them to keep producing new miniatures for geedubs wienergarglers to keep buying
I find it hilarious how people can’t engage with a setting at all unless you’re hand walked through every street, nook, and cranny of a world that’s literally just fricking earth
>write a bad setting
>uh, it's, uh, people who can't engage with it!!!!
homie please this level of cope is unhealthy
No it’s the fact that you morons can’t even get a single thing right about the setting in your zealotry to fall over each others dicks to make the same three jokes to cry that the setting isn’t the old setting no body actually gave a frick about besides whatever specific schizophrenic version they had in their head as opposed to what GW was publishing
To give credit where its due, C7 did a great job to bring some life to Anvilguard and Greywater Fastness in their two adventure campaigns for AoS.
Also railway steamtank cannons.
>ten years old
And you're STILL crying over it
What part of "Never forget, never forgive" did you not understand?
>I think I've cracked it. It's just how on-the-nose AoS is about being, from the start, an exercise in selling miniatures with no free role for the designers in it, there's no desire to actually make a world properly.
As someone who only cares about cool models and a fun game why should I give a shit?
mindless consume-oids always have their place
Is the grounded low fantasy setting in the room with us now?
Cherry picking the one big magic faction with dinosaurs dudes
Brother the empire had 8 different magical colleges each with their own pocket dimensions. Are we really going to do the whole “the empire was just German peasants in socks!” thing again where we erase every part of fantasy in the setting? Despite every single piece of literature telling you how absurd the setting was?
The setting where you’ll go to the death magic house to get some guy to talk to your nephew that was eaten alive and sacrificed to Eldritch gods before he takes a visit to the imperial zoo that has every single magical creature on the planet plus a dragon somehow just there
Considering how much this board hated Demigryphs I can’t wait to see how far you take it
So what about this?
Or the elves just running around with literal living gods
>nooooo they’re not literally gods they’re just aspects of them!
Yeah sure whatever
that's aosshit
Anon, i....
>2011
AoSshit
>They only came up with Ulthuan and Lizardmen in 2011
You really are a dumb motherfricker aint ya? Those scalies have been riding around on dinosaurs and throwing around aztec magitech forever.
Anon remember nobody actually gave a frick about WFB as it was. They only cared about the specific version they created in their head. Which is very funny considering how ass blasted they still are about it dying. Like the setting was already dead to you homosexuals
This is the correct approach to take for a setting that's been overwriting and contradicting itself for 40 years, and varies wildly in tone according to the needs of the current product. There was enough good shit written for Warhammer over the years to make a detailed, compelling setting, if you ignore the bits that aren't to your taste.
Disingenuous. WHF was always a form of high fantasy, but had a kind of "world" you could get into with it's own history and places you can pretend that matter. AOS you can't even pretend.
Yeah Warhammer fantasy had large portions of the setting that was considered irrelevant and half the fan base deletes it from their mind and never thinks about it. Best part of the setting you can be schizophrenic and just pretend things matter despite everything telling you it doesn’t as soon as they can
> but had a kind of "world" you could get into with it's own history and places you can pretend that matter.
You mean all of the weird leftovers from when the game was a excuse to play historical figures?
Fricking Kislev never got a proper army. Nobody gave a shit about the low fantasy elements until Total War players wanted their map fleshed out.
I think you're missing something key here.
Sure those wacky things existed, but so did normal little humans dying of bug bites and heat exhaustion whilst building failed colonies in Lustria. Having the human (or regular ratman or goblin) experience thrown into it grounded the setting. The misery.
Until recently with a real Cities of Sigmar release (that wasn't just an excuse to mash together old Empire kits with blood witch elves lmao), AoS never had that grounding. It was always the handwaved away "innumerable civilisations and empires" apparently too boring for us to care more about, and then a load of power level wankery. And that's if you like what they've gone for with CoS.
AoS never started from a solid foundation to then go and do power level wankery.
>but so did normal little humans dying of bug bites and heat exhaustion whilst building failed colonies in Lustria
You just described half the realms
>AoS never had that grounding.
This is blatantly false because this been a thing in novels and campaigns since the Realmgate wars. Why would you need a model release to ground your setting. Why is grounding your setting in this board means you have to have a human dying of dysentry in the background or be on earth what the frick are we doing
But the fluff gives extremely specific detail in the current setting books.
>D'eagle Catholicus, general of a 10 billion men, fought off the invasion of a trillion Tyranid ships using 8 zillion rounds of ammo
>Stankicus Ballow, brave death guard warrior lost 100,000 thousand of his brothers in a single battle that lasted 500 years
>B'ihg Bl'aak Kauhwk, a member of a borderline extinct race that is 65 million years old, seems to lose entire populations by the billions, yet doesnt seem to get more or less extinct.
40k is the exact same hand wavey nonsense. Literally the only reason the War in heaven is 65 million years ago is because that's the only millions of years ago time frame that normies know because dinosaurs. These ships have entire ghettos and back alleys and abandoned towns in them. The same handwavey "Behemat's precum for Slanesh dripped and became the oceans" shit is there in both settings all over the place.
>Those wacky things existed, but so did normal little humans dying of bug bites and heat exhaustion whilst building failed colonies in Lustria.
What if you pick any other faction and don't assume humans are the main characters
When you think about it Warhammer Fantasy had more in common with historical fiction then that gay high fantasy crap
considering most of the writing had these guys fighting Agincourt knights or the HRE, yes.
That’s why that setting was so fricking boring. They threw all the cool shit in the cuck shed so everybody can roleplay gay Frenchman. Even the gay moronic Frenchmen got thrown in the cuck shed
It was funny reading about how the average empire peasant is a superstitious moron covered in all sorts of religious iconography and tattoos and then you look at the an empire model it’s like what the frick happened.
>an entire faction gets removed from AoS and made exclusive to TOW
>Sigpig whines "omg you guys are obsessed with AoS!!!!"
Hmmm, I wonder what could POSSIBLY be the connection between WHF/TOW players and a faction being made exclusive to TOW. What's the link? Why does this interest people? I just can't put my finger on it.
>AoS vs WFB shitflinging
perfect, both sides now sauce me up on the best data you have on the claims that
>TOW is selling great and will suprass AoS which is basicallly over
>AoS is actually selling great and ToW is a flop
I have never played AoS. The only minis I've bought from AoS are for use in ToW and older WHFB editions. Yet I am sick of the AoS hate and the 'nu GW' speak. Stfu and actually play or paint something. AoS isn't for me, I'm glad WHFB is back. That should literally be ALL anyone has to say.
Not if you like good rank and flanks
>I'm glad WHFB is back
but is it though? all i see is aos with a wfb cosmetic skin
You're blind a contrarian homosexual, then.
good morning sir
>what are typos
ok sanjeev
Feel free to explain why you think TOW is "AoS with a WFB cosmetic skin".
feel free to suck my dick. if you actually played wfb you wouldn't need me to explain
You can't, then. You're talking out of your ass and are clueless 🙂
ok akram thanks for confirming you've never played wfb. enjoy your souless reboot with all the other vapid paypigs at your local gw store
>says TOW is just AoS
>refuses to explain why and calls others Indians
Are you moronic? Why don't you just say what it is about TOW that you think makes it identical to AoS? If you make a claim, especially a contentious one, you generally back it up with information that supports your claim... instead of just expecting everyone to agree with you then lashing out like a little autistic child when asked to explain why.
look vikram, i'm not going to explain anything to a some third world skidmark who never played the original wfb. so sperg out and imply all you want, it isn't going to change the fact you are as soulless as the game you're shilling
>to a some
to some *
I'm not even shilling TOW. You don't even know if I like TOW or not. You can't, because I've said literally nothing that indicates if I think it's a good game or not. Regardless of it being good or bad, I just fail to see how it's "AoS with a WHF reskin". For the record, 6th edition WHFB is the only Warhammer game I've ever played in my 31 years on this Earth.
Also if you're going to call others Indian over a typo they made, you should probably avoid making typos yourself and learn how to use capital letters correctly. It's a fairly basic tenet of the English language.
ok kybir have another (You) because that's what you really want. i am done entertaining some pajeet who never played wfb
Um... just give it 20 more years! it's not like rogue trader was already pretty fleshed out and interesting, ok?!!
Warhammer world building does not stand up to logic and scrutiny. Fantasy had the best of all the settings but even it was full of handwaves and AS THE PLOT DEMANDS numbers and power levels. If you're into any Warhammer settings lore you're certifiably moronic, because the designers don't think too much about it, the writers don't think too much about it, it's wrestling/comic book tier where HERO X goes and power bombs their way through a million bajillion enemies but alas! Betrayal undermines their victory resulting in the maintenance of the status quo!
Don't be dumb. Enjoy the aesthetics and concepts, ignore anything beyond that because it won't make sense.
We fight the long war, not through vain notions of duty and honour, but through a far purer purpose: hatred. At the height of our glory we were betrayed and cast out by our kin. Kirby, Johnson, Thorpe - these are names I curse. Preistly, Pirinen, Cavatore - these are names I revere, names I would follow to the very end. It is this hatred that has sustained me through the long decade. I tend it with bitterness. I nurture it with the deaths of my former brothers. For I know that when the end is upon us and Warhammer is returned, then the false Sigmar shall be cast down from his sepulchral Age, and we shall take our rightful place at the side of Warhammer, the true Game of Fantasy Battles.
Yeah bro can't wait for the heckin valid and diverse Old World to return!
I wouldn't mind some moronic spoiled empire noblegirl running a squadron of pistoliers or band of brigands as long as it's made by TOW team, not AoS.
This. It's OK to be able to put /yourdudettes/ in your army, as long as women being soldiers isn't a norm, but an exception in the lore.
>sigpiggy tries to claim WHF is full of DEI
>it's not
Go ahead. Post the FULL range of female models available to Bretonnians 🙂
Gays and pedophiles are DEI too. And according to recent novel that's basically every Bret knight.
They just love little boys apparently
>muh recent novel
WHF/TOW is not 40k. No one cares about these dumb meme book shit.
>muh books don't count!
I'm glad you finally acknowledge that Gotrek and Felix were garbage novels. Most overwanked dreck I ever read since someone convinced me Ciaphas Cain was worth reading.
There's no "finally". I have never defended those books as I've never read them. I have no intention of ever reading Warhammer literature - 40k, Fantasy or otherwise - outside of the army book fluff and random White Dwarf bits. I have skimmed through some novels in the past and the quality of writing is just awful.
AoS trannies:0
Reality: 41
AoLosers fail again.
Link to the previous AoS hstegeneral.
We get it, you all want to have a nice days.
Move on now.
Look, it's quite simple. They made the mistake of being too detailed with WHFB and 40k. The lore isnt an accurate telling of events that actually happened, it's just an advert to promote the sale of whatever figures they want to shift this week. If they make it too detailed and later need to change it to promote the sale of a new figure/model line/edition, the lore autists kick up merry hell about 'squatting' and 'retcons' and fill the forums with bile. GW have learned that if you keep the advert (lore) vague, you can change it at will and use it sell whatever shit you decide to churn out in the future.
every now and then I think about this shit, like on paper it COULD be an interesting super high fantasy setting of god vs god, but the worldbuilding is still so lacklustre 10 years later and they've done basically nothing to make comprehensible locations that you can try and invest yourself in. They just focused all their energies on constantly churning out factions and new characters to sell for those factions with barely any frame of reference for where these characters are in the cosmos and giving no weight to their actions. Like, when Abaddon launches a black crusade against Cadia, someone playing 40K can become invested in that battle on either side because the end result is comprehensible as having an effect on the grand setting and also to an individual location that people care about. AoS might as well be Chinese history - 10 million died and 500,000 captives were eaten - okay, impressive numbers and 'scale', but who cares?
What's the deal with morons strawmanning that every single thing about previous setting had to be accepted as perfect for complaining about new thing to be allowed? It's completely nonsensical argument that homosexuals are using CONSTANTLY. Same thing happened with basedwars for an example. People rightfully shat on TFA and that shitty mary sue Rey. And then goyslop defenders started for some reason bringing up Shartkiller, that homosexual from that awful game everyone hated, in her defense. Seemingly you can't complain about Rey because Starkiller existed previously, even though people hated him too. Absolutely deranged logic, befitting a shill or goyslopper. How the frick is this supposed to be "a gotcha"? Element of franchise can be shit then and continue to be shit now. When something was introduced doesn't matter and doesn't make it right.
And here it's this same. You have a moron in this very thread bringing up Total War: Warhammer 3 Cathay. This absolute bottom of the barrel turd that people too are shitting on all the time because of how absurdly High Fantasy it is and unfitting WHFB, alongside nuKislev. It's from game that fails at capturing WHFB atmosphere and which story is AoS tier jumping between realms and entering Chaos Wastes and Realms as if this was nothing while casually talking to Gods. This same moron also brought up protoAoS painting of a Battle of Black Fire Pass from 2011 fricking kek. Next time he will show Engineer on a Mechanical Steed or Demigryph Knights to prove his point I'd wager lmao.
That's the level of discousion you get when your opening AND ONLY argument is some AoS paphlet released 10 years ago.
You want to pick charies, you get charies
i still think it's kinda fricked up that them Beastmens are getting banished back to TOW and now people have to rebase their whole army
Not this time thankfully. They had to when AoS came out, but there are now third party companies that make circle to square adaptors for movement trays.
The future sure is something isnt it?
They will ban them from GW stores
Who the frick plays in GW stores?
Unfortunately I think that
is right. They won't allow it in their stores. However, I have an LGS not an official Warhammer store so I'm okay to do as I please.
>ben
>30 years old
>still hasn’t kissed a girl
When I make "aos bad" threads janny bans me.
Nobody cares Ben
Yes.
I like Stormcasts, especially Hallowed Knights.
>10 years old game
Ben, you’ve made over 3650 posts about this game.
Why do people hate the settings instead of the company
And yet it still does better than old Fantasy ever did
Just delete the game, its shit
some real Black folk around in here
Probably what let this game down the most was it being a bit shit.
still reads in broad handwaves like "the [faction] swept over innumerable cities and civilisations in conquest" without actually filling in any details or giving any morsel
> Wanting detailed autism in a fantasy world
>40 years of lore apparently
>In reality a bit more than 10
>Most of is retelling of *funny* historical events, but with names changed for shit that sounds like Cooka Da Pizza or Fransua Le Baguette