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Bejita canonically defeated Goku 3 times, though.
Goku still has all of his feat, though..
>B-Bejit[headcanon]
Done.
Not really.
Vegeta lost to the entire team in the first fight.
Vegeta called off the second fight and then sucker punched Goku because he knew he couldn't beat Buu and didn't want Goku to die as well.
Third fight was just a spar.
So, Goku was never able to beat the biggest jobber in the history of animation.
Good to know.
Its 1-0, then.
Bro, Goku may be primo uggabugga but even he knows the only person who can match his development and be a constructive sparring partner is 'ole widow's peak. If he trounces him repeatedly Vegita will likely murder-suicide himself and his family and, more importantly, he'll lose a sparring partner.
Now he has Gohan, so he's good on that front at the moment, but let's be serious - who else is there? Piccolo? He's only ever caught up for as long as it takes the next enemy to transform, he practically exists to be outclassed.
Krillin? Don't even come here with that bullshit, we all love him and are jealous he got 18, but give me a break.
>Vegeta called off the second fight and then sucker punched Goku because he knew he couldn't beat Buu and didn't want Goku to die as well.
is this the current state of bejita gays
Cope mechanism.
Super Hero post-credits
You're trying too hard, Goku literally admitted his defeat.
Yeah, so Vegeta finally has 1 single win.
never won until now
Still better than 0 like Goku
>mistranslated gogglediasiatic
I'm sure you think 'get stronger' purely means physical strength as well
goKEK jobs to GODgeta, simple facts
>nuh uh
Try harder.
>not a single asiaticOoh in sight
>inb4 Black counts
>Vegeta wants to improve because it was a pyrrhic victory
Gokek jobs eternally
Begita will become the biggest of winners because Toriyama is dead
Even Vegeta himself doesn't see those as victories for good reason.
The first time he was taking advantage of Goku's lack of tail. It's like winning a race against Usain Bolt after he gets into a car accident and loses a leg.
The second time was him knocking out Goku with a sneak attack.
The third time it's super shit.
It's not about win count. Goku was consistently stronger throughout most of the series. He could have beaten bejita's ass tons of times if he had wanted to, but he doesn't enjoy fighting people significantly weaker than him.
>Bejita
GONNA STAB YOU
>goku very confident he was stronger after coming out of the hyperbolic time chamber
>goku refusing to go ssj3 LITERALLY because it would mindbreak bejita
>goku lasting way longer against beerus
goku doesn't need to win because 90% of the time it'd be too easy for him to win
1) Vegeta had to become an Ozaru to defeat Goku. He was losing the fair fight and then said "frick this" and went monke mode to crush Goku. I wouldn't call that a win.
2) It is a REACH to say he won as Majin Vegeta. First of all, Goku could have gone SSJ3 and annihilated him. He didn't because Goku eventually wanted to bring Vegeta back out of Babidi's control. So he humoured him a bit and then said "alright, that was a good fight, phew! You ready to go take on Buu now? That thing is going to kill Trunks and Bulma, remember them?" and then when the fight was called off, Vegeta got a cheap shot into Goku to knock him out. It is SAD and PATHETIC that geta fans call this a win.
3) I don't know what the third time you are referring to is, I guess it is in Super but I don't really care about Super. Tournament of Power was good but I couldn't watch any of the other sagas all the way through.
1) Ozaru is a transformation that Bejita trained to control and learned to activate at will. Saying it's cheating to use is like saying every win Gokek got with Super Saiyan is cheating. Besides, it's heavily implied that Bejita would have won anyways since Gokek destroyed his body with the 4x kaioken. 1-0
2) No one cares about hypotheticals. The fact of the matter is that Gokek did NOT go SS3 and the fight concluded with him unconscious on the ground and Bejita still standing. Gokek would have most likely lost in SS3 since it is a jobber form with no wins. 2-0.
3) The last canon thing Toriyama did was have Bejita, the prince of all Saiyans, secure his final victory in the movie that was personally written by him, Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero. In it, the prince defeats his kissless vassal a final time, with Gokek himself proclaiming that he lost, much like his first fight with Bejita. 3-0.
>1) Ozaru is a transformation that Bejita trained to control and learned to activate at will. Saying it's cheating to use is like saying every win Gokek got with Super Saiyan is cheating. Besides, it's heavily implied that Bejita would have won anyways since Gokek destroyed his body with the 4x kaioken. 1-0
Even Vegeta doesn't consider that a victory.
>2) No one cares about hypotheticals.
U wot m8
Yes, Ozaru and SSJ3 are inherently different.
>Even Vegeta doesn't consider that a victory.
Goku considers it a loss.
>U wot m8
Goku didn't go SS3, you you coping with
>b-but if he went into his jobber form he would have won
Is a meaningless hypothetical. Fact of the matter is, Goku lost.
Doesn't matter what Goku says/thinks. He only lost because Vegeta went Ozaru and Goku couldn't by default.
>he only won because he was better it doesnt couuuunt WAHHHHHHHHHH
cry more
so you're saying vegetas win was invalid because he used a transformation in the first one
and his win is invalid because goku did not use a transformation in the second one
which is it? be consistent
>nnnnnnnnnnooooooooo you can't just use your powerups!!
>he would have totally lost if Goku used his powerup!!!!1
holy jobbarot cope
faked cosplay. ssj4 nipples are on full display
Yeah Goku couldn't go Ozaru by default so it's not a fair match. Lack SSJ3 is only because Vegeta wasn't trying hard enough.
>trying
more like wasn't DYING hard enough like gokuck
Goku made the choice to die and then to stay dead in order to train with people/aliens from all corners of the galaxy in the afterlife. Vegeta didn't because he's a whiny loner who has a hard time being social. Goku's personality got him ahead (like it usually does).
Toyotataro will give him a win, it will be canon and there's nothing you can do about it.
Not canon because Toriyama didn’t give approval
I've seen people recover from traumatic brain injuries. Like going from the brink of death to complete recovery years later. It's miraculous, the human body can be so resilient. To see someone randomly die from an acute subdural hematoma is strange to me. Maybe the vaccine is causing these bizarre random deaths. If you deny that possibility and roll your eyes then there's something wrong with you.
2 weeks right
To flatten the curve?
>dead at 68
>in a country where the avg lifespan is 90
Might be vax related
Toriyama was a heavy smoker.
>nobody has EVER died below the average life expectancy
>especially not reclusive old men who smoke three packs a day!
And I've seen people not recover from head trauma.
You wouldn't call it "miraculous" if total recovery wasn't unusual on some level, you're contradicting yourself.
>acute subdural hematoma
>hmm let me google that
>Acute subdural hematomas are often life-threatening.
oh
>Acute subdural hematomas are often life-threatening.
That's not cute at all
I guess, but a friend of mine's dad died from a brain bleed when he fell and hit his head like 10 years ago before the clotmaxx vaxx even existed.
My grandmother died from complications after she just fell off of a stepladder one day. Sometimes it really just is this sudden.
all the homosexuals here denying the effwcts pf the vax kek
Where's your red deer picture?
Does anyone still believe that the red deer wasn’t the most obvious false flag in history?
/misc/ won once again
You dumb homosexual. All the famous old school mangakas almost all of them have health issues. The writer of hunter x hunter cant even use a chair anymore anon.
polgays believed it and then walked it back, pol is always right my ass
>other false flaggers pretended to believe it
Kek. /misc/ always wins.
>He noticed a pattern
>Dismissed it as coincidence precisely because it is a pattern
>blod clot
>in a man whos job is to sit down 20hrs a day drawing. getting little blood flow.
>IT WAS THE VAXX GUYS
vax is gay, but cmon man.
Have you already forgot that the Moderna vaccine was invented by a literal troony furgay, who's cuck husband is into medical experiment-induced TF by sheer coincidence?
>mfw apparently even with sitting all day playing video games I can expect to at least reach 60
well that's not so b
>these replies
There's really a gaggle of Russian trolls and bad actors running around Toriyama threads using his death to splatter vax bait everywhere. Utterly fricking disgusting.
something strange is happening here indeed
>captcha: G0YH
>Russian trolls
>shilling westerner vax
Nope cyka, that's what distilled Vodka mixed with honey and macerated wormwood is for, you capitalist swine!
you are so fricking moronic its embarrasing to even read your posts
2 more weeks.
Goku was right to fear the needles all along.
I got vaxxed against my will and I legit dont want to die
4/10 bait
Old people hitting their head or getting into an accident is a pretty common thing schizo. My grandma has fallen multiple times and got bitten by tarantulas a few times. Anyway, its the Vax yes bro
A vaccine just flew over my house!
Pfizer will pay for this, they also killed Miura.
>Toyotataro
>give him a win
Reminder that Vegeta was the first to unlock Super Saiyan 1.5 and Ultra Ego. Those were the only forms he ever discovered on his own and they both lost their first fight.
Nothing after Buu arc is canon.
What's going to happen to the Super manga now
It will probably end soon but Toriyama was barely involved with Super.
It's barely got anything to do with OG except using name. They're going to keep milking it like Berserk.
That's Toyotaro's jurisdiction, but there's likely to be way more pressure going forward since he's Toriyama's successor and all.
Nothing. Toyotaro will continue his Super slop as usual
>Super
Was basically "official" fanfiction anyways.
Nothing. Same with Dragon Quest. He's had plenty of understudies for years too and they'll take up whatever it is that needs to be done.
My one true hope for Dragon Quest is that they don't start slacking on new Slime designs, they're the very definition of any monster-centric spinoffs or minigames.
pic is budokai 2 right?
not sure
He married Bulma and had some kids with her. He's also much less evil than he used to be, and he's even kinda actual friends with Goku now.
Uh oh...
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i love how people straight up don't have the talent to draw dragonball as good as they used to so they just use 3d models now. how sad
why u be coping my man?
What's this from?
Gintama.
>women discussing a man
>not one mention of his status as a manlet
unrealistic
Christ one more reason to re-read Gintama
Some goofy fat b***h on Twitter called Gintama “the family guy of anime” for this scene >:|
>on Twitter
Who the frick cares what anyone says on twitter
>hmm, this famous mangaka who is liked by fans across the globe was just confirmed dead...
>how do i make this about the vaccine?
at the very least, find something more productive to do
>another person died because of the vaccine
>ugh, can we PLEASE not make this about the vaccine, ya’ll??
The vaccine created the concept of death?
Goku never would have died in Cell's explosion if he never took that heart medication
Vaxx status?
two more chapters
even as a fan of vegeta picrel was pretty funny
frick
>*raughs
>laughs
God, I hate women worldwide
One bright side is that Toriyama's death aligned perfectly to completely overshadow "international women's day", which is today. He saved us from the propaganda machine.
But what if you are the propaganda?
Naw, that would be silly.
I wonder if the hispanics went total pause on everything they could feasibly pause today just to pay their respects, I can't imagine any non-Japanese demographic getting shook up as much as them.
Spics and Nibbas love them some dragon ball it's crazy.
Cartels have declared a cease fire to mourn Toriyama and collect themselves. Mexican politicians are planning to declare March 8th a holiday in honor of Toriyama. I'm not even making this up.
Sounds about right, making a whole Sabbath Day for Toriyama was on my expectations.
>I'm not even making this up.
Every time I need a citation, I just say this instead.
Today, we are all spics.
Abe and Toriyama are giving us thumbs up from hell...
Abe was a Shintoist (Pagan) so he's in the real Tengoku not in Judeochristian hell (fake)
>before winning
it ended on a Vegeta win 🙂
gg no re btw
I always found this weird.
They spar with each other all the time, they've done it for years. They spent 3 years together in the time chamber doing absolutely nothing but sparring. They consider each other an even match so you'd expect the winrate to be about 50/50, or at least 40/60. How are we supposed to believe this one sparring match is the first time Vegeta ever "won" against Goku in a way that satisfied him.
becomes Vegeta became a Jirenscholar. Not even a joke, that is the actual reason
Wiss forced em to fight in base and without ki techniques
Him dying actually gives him a chance. Akira hated Vegeta because fans forced him to keep the character around. No matter what he did, no matter how hard he tried to get fans to not like him and focus more attention on Goku, chadgeta wasn't going anyway and the cuck had to deal with it
I don't like dragon ball, dragon quest, or chrono trigger.
VEGETAGODS.... PROCLAIM THE SCORE
3-0
4-0 as of now
The majin vegeta vs goku fight gave me boners as a teenager
Stunning and brave, anon. Enjoy pride month
i don't know about all that but JOBhan will ALWAYS be a jobber
what is he doing?
You moron.jpg
you aren't fooling anyone, rat
bring me gohan
>creator dies before we ever got a Vegeta vs. Piccolo fight
I don't even mean for Doc memes, how the frick have these 2 never had a fight in any form EVER?
Toriyama stopped caring about Piccolo after his fight with the Androids and then only thought to make him relevant again for Super Hero, which was just capitalizing off of replicating Super Saiyan 2 Gohan.
Begita knows his place
>time for your medication vegita
Doesn't matter now because the answer is at the end of Toriyama's run Piccolo was stronger. He fought almost on par as Max which it was also stated that Goku and Vegeta combined wouldn't have been able to handle
*wins*
why is tsunade in that reflection on his glasses?
A Mexican made it
Could WEGH defeat Bejita?
Vegeta had more notable kills than anyone in the namek arc. He came in first there. Comes in 3rd post namek (Trunks wins, since he killed Frieza, King Cold, and his own Cell and Androids ). Comes in 2nd in the Buu saga. Vegeta is not the “jobber” people say he is. Goku didn’t even kill Frieza. Also Goku had ZERO kills in the Android/Cell saga and was fricking pathetic and barely appears for that whole saga. Also look at all the other characters records in the show like Krillin or Piccolo or Tien, etc etc, and Vegeta’s record shits on them, they all did basically nothing at all. So its a fact that people calling Vegeta the shows jobber, don’t know shit about Dragon Ball.
Goku only has 2 kills in the entirety of DBZ. Yakon and Buu. But that doesn't matter because "jobber" doesn't mean who has the highest and lowest kill counts.
>yakon
killed himself
>buu
the earth killed him
kek jobbing has never had anything to do with kill count
Ok, Gokuck. Thanks for proving my point. Really, the definition of “jobber” is arbitrary. If you say it’s “someone whom without them, eveyone would have died” well, Vegeta has filled that role on multiple occasions. Most notably when working with Gohan and Krillin on namek, in saving them and in keeping the Dragon Balls from Frieza. Also he saved the earth when stopping the first androids, and by helping Gohan against Cell.
This isn't Quake you nincompoop. Goku doesn't kill villains specifically because he's so selfish and reckless that he wants a "fun battle buddy" to fight again later, even if that means putting everyone he loves in mortal danger. Vegeta may be weaker for almost all of the series but he is far more pragmatic and intelligent. He understands that your enemies don't win when you kill them, unlike Son Trudeau.
Ok. What point are you trying to make?
Don't make disingenuous arguments to further your point because it makes everyone who agrees with you look bad. Goku being a selfish butthole has little to do with his fighting prowess.
>Vegeta may be weaker for almost all of the series but he is far more pragmatic and intelligent.
doesn't go ape right away and stomp goku flat
deliberately lets cell power up to the point where he stops trunks, the actually pragmatic character who doesn't waste time fragging enemies, by force to ensure cell powers up
babidi threatens the earth and vegeta literally kneels at his leg and gets a gay tatoo on his forehead because he was having a mid-life crisis
he did act pragmatic during freiza though I'll give you that, but to be fair goku does the same thing during that arc when he wastes recoome in the middle of him charging up instead of waku-wakuing over his technique
if trunks were actually pragmatic he would have stomped cell immediately instead of letting his dad drop his dick on the table
>flashback to Gohan failing to catch the senzu bean
Fair points, but the first fight exists specifically to show some character growth. He was extremely arrogant when he first arrived on Earth and didn't know about Ki concealment (like most moronic Frieza lackeys). The Cell thing is more of a moot point; Vegeta has arguably no emotional attachment to Trunks or even Earth in general. I never said he was perfect, just way less moronic than Goku most of the time
That is entirely disingenuous when you consider that the only others on the planet for most of the arc was Krillin and Gohan. Also that Vegeta was beaten by Zarbon and Recoome before killing them and only killed Recoome and Burter after Goku beat them simply because Goku doesn't kill others.
Considering the literal definiton of Jobber is somebody that loses as their job to build hype, Vegeta is the character shown losing most often for that exact effect. He fits the title jobber more than 99% of people who that title is attached to and I say that as someone who genuinely hates how often and inaccurately people use the title of jobber.
Vegeta is stronger than most of the characters in Dragon Ball and is shown winning and doing well more often than most characters. He is still, as a matter of fact, the one most often used to establish the strength of other characters by being shown losing.
I think it's pretty funny that Toriyama actually hated that character and resented the fact he was so popular so that's why he had him constantly be humiliated.
lmao what is with authors resenting their audiences for liking characters they made?
>nooo you're not supposed to like a strong character in a series about strong characters being strong, and also me painting them as a not-pure-evil semi-badguy!!!
it's like the most autistic shit lol
Japs are extremely autistic like that, these are the same people who will launch a digital nuke and completely wipe their presence off the face of the internet indefinitely if a filthy gaijin likes their art on Pixiv.
Goku centrism is what ruins Dragon Ball. Favoritism for the MC is a plague in shonen mangas, but in DB it is out of the charts
At least he didn't make them literal gods like Oda just did with Luffy in one piece. Wait a second...
Toriyama disliked Vegeta and never hid it.
Toriyama died, but /dbs/ is still shit posting like nothing even happened.
It's what he would have wanted
Of course they are. If anything, their shitposting will only be stronger now that Toriyama's absolute word can no longer proceed, and in due time, his absolute word will be a forgotten relic, opening the floodgates to an oceanic amount of shitshow.
was toriyama responsible for BEAST Gohan?
seems the serious has been at, and even passed, this point for quite some time
>tfw bejita skipped SS3 because its a jobber form and he doesnt need the help
Bejita defeated the protagonist 3 times though.
>outlives his creator
VEGETA FRICKING WON
>Toriyama wanted to kill him off but he was so popular he literally couldn't
1-0 against Toriyama.
Vegita only lost against villains, he beat all the heroes
Vegeta won in the DB Superhero movie. It was the last thing in the entire movie.
GT was unironically better than Super
Tournament of Power > Anything in GT
this is the most contrarian shit I've seen in this board, and there's a lot of it, holy shit lmfao
is really not
frick off Black person gt had fun shit. at the least everything shouldn't have been thrown out. it actually made sense for their to be an accumulating cost to using the dragon balls, especially considering the comical amount of times and the many utterly dumb wishes. it actually felt like there were some consequences for something that was throughout the series a "and then we fixed everything perfectly!" get out of jail free cards
He beat Goku in Super Hero though
Favela vegeta
Toriyama made the hardest fits
SOVL
>Painful beyond description
>Infinite Hell.
It hurts. We will always have fan-fictions and algorithms, but something special was lost here we will never be able to retrieve. R.I.P.
Rest In Peace Akira Toriyama. You will be missed.
Superhero post credits
Toriyama had died
but Dragon Ball is inmortal and will outlast every single one of us and people working for the franchise right now
>our creator died. it's time vageta
too soon
Unsurpassedrus won
I've never watched a single episode of Dragon Ball. Is Vegeta a villain turned hero?
Takes a long time for the turn to stick but that's the short version, yeah.
Proclaim the score
>siegel died in 96
>shuster died in 92
They lived longer, but I have that their deaths didn't send collective heartbreak through the entirety of Latin America.
This is going to be a tough one.
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