>the award is titled DEBUT Indie Game
>aka, the FIRST Indie game devs have put out
>Cocoon, was made by the motherfrickers who did LIMBO and INSIDE
>ergo, by logic, Cocoon should not be in a category named DEBUT Indie Game
>still wins anyway because Hollywood art meme
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>giving a shit about awards
Maybe this will suprise you but all that shit is just bought and paid for. You're either in the club or you arent. It's likethat with every goodestgoyawards show
so true teen sister
how the frick is Dave the diver an indie game? it's made by nexon
>Everybody points out Dave is not an indie game
>Even the developers chime in and say themselves “we don’t consider Dave the Diver indie”
>Geoff “UMMMMMMMMM WELL THAT’S NOT THE POINT, IT’S INDIE BECAUSE….BECAUSE I SAY SO OKAY!???”
Well you see, it's an Indie game so they wouldn't have to put Pizza Tower in that category too.
Please understand small indie dev comp- wait a minute
Huh? Inside and Limbo were by Playdead
The person who made Cocoon designed Limbo and Inside
Can you really call yourself a debut indie game if you’ve already designed other indie games?
Same devs, different studio. It still isn't their debut, because it isn't their first game. That's what "debut" means. Death Stranding isn't Kojima's debut game just because he made it under Kojima Productions instead of Konami.
People have been saying that TGA is horseshit, dude. This has been talked about for years.
>BG3 won best multiplayer game when it isn't a multiplayer game, it's a single player game with an optional co-op component (which most people say is poorly implemented). The game only won because it's popular and has a multiplayer component, not because it was a multiplayer game that had good online.
IT's rigged/bias and absolutely everyone knows it.
>non-indie games got nominated for best indie game
>games that aren't functionally RPG's got nominated for best RPG
>person got nominated for best performance only because the jury needed to fill a quota for women, not because she did a good job (she was the worst VA in the game)
>game that wasn't the developer's debut game got nominated for best debut "indie" (it also isn't an indie game)
TGA's was always dogshit that holds no value. More people are just starting to wake up to it now.
You forgot one, one of the guys nominated for best eSports coach said he has barely coached all year and shouldn't have been nominated.
Between that and them giving sonicfox an award a few years back not realising the mockery he would inevitably make of the event they must have the regular judges do the eSports shit as well instead of people who actually know things about esports
I was in disbelief when Geoff tried to defend Dave by saying “Well technically you can call Death Stranding an indie game” and everybody immediately called him out in his bullshit
Who the frick EVER called DS an indie game
Did he actually say that? That's fricking moronic if it's true.
https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/we-defer-to-our-jury-geoff-keighley-on-controversial-tga-choices/z3648a
Nobody agreed with him on this btw
The weird one here is Baldur's Gate 3 came out in 2020.
Early access is where this becomes an issue. Do you have it take part when it's first available or when the game receives it's "full release" update? It's debatable. On one hand, it came out three years ago. On another, it wasn't really "finished" until now. It still isn't really finished, but that's not the point.
It isn't an issue, the game came out in 2020. It simply shouldn't have been in this year's choices as it wasn't a valid participant.
It wasn't released this year.
I agree, but that's the issue. People will debate about this. It """finished""" this year, so some people will say it counts for this year even though it didn't release this year. The validity of the nominations is piss poor, anyway. a game that fully released in 2018 got nominated for the 2020 game awards because it got a popularity boost in 2020 and nothing else.
There is no debate, the game didn't release this year. The VGAs were wrong, everyone would agree.
Most people simply don't know that BG3 is 3 years old already, that is the only part of this that complicates it. Once you know you know and a 3 year old game shouldn't be in the running for anything in a yearly event.
Not how it works homosexualron. Literally it has always been whatever Geoff wants he gets.
Nope. Sorry homosexual.
He's right, though. What Geoff decides is what happens during his show. That's why so many people are complaining about a bunch of stuff with it.
People generally don't care because it isn't important. They had a 3 year old game as their goty no one gives a shit about them lol.
Piss tower being snubbed is still the correct choice though.
The beta came out in 2020. Not the full game sorry moron. You might want it to be this way, but if it was actually that way, BG3 wouldn't have won this year.
>beta
lmao, this is cope. The game was released in 2020, the devs just didn't bother finishing until now.
The full game or the beta? Could you tell me which one or are you gonna cope and not answer the question?
The game launched in 2020. It wasn't finished until 2023. That's what "early access" means. The only one coping here is the guy trying to say an early access launch is literally a beta test.
So when did the full game release anon? was it in 2020 or 2023? Why do you keep dodging the question?
If you weren't moronic you would already know this question was answered before you even asked it in another post. Read the thread.
I'd like to know your thoughts on it since you're the one I'm arguing with, anon. You seem to believe that the game released in 2020 instead of 2023, I'm wondering if you know whether or not the full game was released at that time in 2020. You say it wasn't "finished" but you seem to have so much trouble answering this simple question, almost dishonestly so.
I already answered the question, you god damn idiot. Holy shit, you are hopeless. Read the quote chain and shut the frick up already.
You say that BG3 released in 2020, just as a general statement, which is a bit misleading and something a moron might say. You later admit begrudgingly that that it wasn't "finished" until 2023 but that can mean a few different things.
Could you be a bit more clear and honest instead of being disingenuous and jut admit that the full game was NOT released in 2020, and was only actually released in 2023? I know it makes your earlier statements seem stupid, but in all honesty they were stupid.
You are so astronomically stupid it is unreal. You already got the answer you keep asking for. You even just referenced it right now and I don't think you're aware of this. You keep asking a question that you legitimately already got the answer to. I would just go tell you go go look up the definition of early-access on steam but I doubt you would even be able to find that.
I never understood why people put so much value on Geoff's show, it was always a biased marketing ploy.
But much oscars
Because every now and then they give an award to something people actually think deserves an award which causes people to believe that Geoff's show still has some integrity to it.
>still
Literally at no point did it ever have integrity. Look at the winners of the original on Spike.
One funny thing to come out of this is that this entire situation feels like a joke PT would do
>Guaranteed shoo-in that everybody roots for loses to some literal who nobody noticed beforehand
Literally a cartoon gag. This probably happened in Spongebob or some shit and I forgot
Sorry Pizza Butt, you should have tossed more money at the Dewrito Pope
no one really cares about the awards, it's just to laugh at how stupid the obviously paid for awards go to undeserving games and to see someone make a flub or get Mr Dewrito mad for ruining his perfect little show
I'm glad lolcow tower lost. The dev is a walking clownshow so his life being even shittier is just comical at this point.
Remember, video game generals belong on /vg/.
And your cope for FF14 having generals everyday up here?
Kek look at her seethe.
That’s not an answer
My favorite one was the "Best Ongoing Game" category and fricking Cyberpunk won
I guess releasing a busted buggy ass game and then fixing it later counts as "ongoing" over literal MMOs and free to play shooters
The gay awards have been shit for a long time, it's not even worth tuning in to. You have to have masochism to even want to sit through it to make a meme of a single scene that'll be relevant for only a week.
>Cocoon was published by Microsoft
>Dave the Diver was published by Nexon
>Death Stranding was published by Sony
Not having a Publisher PERIOD is what makes an indie game Indie.
Dave the Diver was developed by Nexon, it wasn't just published by them. Also just not having a publisher isn't the only thing that matters, there's other elements like size, investors, funding, distribution, etc. The classic definition of indie is what everyone should focus on using.
Sort of like how trying to imply BG3 is Indie despite having tons of investment and directly outsourcing making the team 400ish in size, arguably making it larger than the Witcher.
No it solely involves having a publisher or not. indie is short for independent from publisher.
The problem is that makes Nintendo an indie dev.
No, that's just your moronic definition and not that standardized definition of indie.
Indie is short for independent GAME. A game in which it's development and IP is not tied to big corporate.
Independent studioso can get hired to work for a big corporate which found the studios and development of the game sometimes with tons of budget. And because of this, the GAME is not an indie just because it's made by an independent developer.
Releasing your game on Steam makes it a not-independent game as you are depending on Valve as a storefront.
Any PC game depends on PCs to run so PC indie games don't exist
Selling your game on your own website isn't indie either then because you're depending on a company to host your website.
Pizza Tower lost
If it's the studio's first game, then it's still a debut. Awards shows are a waste of time, but Cocoon is more original and creative than Pizza Tower, so the recognition makes sense
But that’s stupid
What if I keep creating new studios after finishing my indie game each time, are all of them debut indie titles despite me working in the industry for years?
>Cocoon is more original and creative than Pizza Tower
Could you expound on this more?
Ignore him he’s just a shill that thinks artsy games are innovative
While Pizza Tower is a polished Wario Land game, Cocoon is built around an original puzzle mechanic that hasn't existed in pretty much any other game before
>an original puzzle mechanic
Patrick's Parabox existed as far back as 2019. The concept isn't new.
Who the frick cares, Pizza Tower got advertisement on it being nominated
Watching the Dewrito Pope Happy Hour for good judgement is like watching the Oscars. You're not getting any good opinions, music or insight. It's just a big scheme tainted with deals and politics.
This is funny because people have convinced themselves that it's legitimate, unlike the Oscars. The only reason people reached that conclusion was because of the "frick the Oscars" moment. Yet Geoff wants this to basically just be the Oscars for video games.
So he's basically looking for legitimacy where there is none.
Im not even a pizza tower gay but when he said cocoon I out loud ask "what the frick is cocoon?"
Ummm do you not appreciate art??
Literally (not hyperbole, literally) nobody heard of Cocoon before the awards.
These are going to be the closest we get to pizza tower threads again for a while, isn't it? Got her GOLF title card done
I guess so.
While we're here, any hopes and dreams for that Mr. Stick stuff they found in the files? I'd say it's just gonna be like the Halloween update but that little goblin fella has me thinking there's at least something more to it. Not to mention they worked on Noise even more.
inb4 they remake strongcold and it's even more bullshit out of spite
Based on recent news, the Noise update is a groundwork of sorts for a full Noise title
It's not even an indie game, it's funded by a big company.
, was made by the motherfrickers who did LIMBO and INSIDE
Same guy but different company I think.