Sure if 9 is the only game you've played nostalgiagay, Shaolin Monks has better gameplay, tons of secrets, fun kombat and you can even play the actual best game of the franchise MK2.
NTA but MK9 is the best of the reboot era because despite MKX & MK11 having bigger rosters they somehow feel like much smaller games with less overall content going on.
MK9 is the best of the reboot era because it was still trying to capture the essence of the old games, when they started trying to be original is where it feels different
that's not entirely true. while MK9 is a reimagining of the first 3 games MKX is a reimagining of MK4 while MK12 is a reimagining of deadly alliance with minor elements of deception & armageddon.
MK11 is probably the most original of the newer games but they make a ton of references to the 1995 movie to the point where they got the actors to reprise their roles and redesigned some characters to look similar to their movie counterparts.
>MK9 is a reimagining of the first 3 games MKX is a reimagining of MK4 while MK12 is a reimagining of deadly alliance with minor elements of deception & armageddon.
Yeah but only MK9 really is "the same thing but different", the others are more like totally original just with some minor elements of the old. I mean you get all the classic characters in MK9 and the same story beats just altered a bit, there are no original OCs other than Cyber Sub Zero, meanwhile MKX is a lot of OCs and pretty much none of the MK4 playables are there, it's not exactly the same level of thing.
only Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, then three others were DLC skins with voices. Which was a shame because Bridgette Wilson sounds leagues better than Ronda Rousey. I'm glad they got rid of Ashley Burch for Cassie though.
Also MKX was mostly original, the MK4 events already happened in the game's backstory, except Johnny Cage beat Shinnok and MKX continues after with a bunch of new characters in the forefront.
8 months ago
Anonymous
iirc shang tsung wasn't in it til the expansion too. Nothing that happens in the expansion even matters, it all just goes back to Liu Kang becoming a God who recreates the universe.
8 months ago
Anonymous
and that doesn't matter either because it's a multiverse and what's important throwing fireballs and tearing off heads and ripping apart spacetime eighteen fricking thousand times only to reboot it all and do it again. Why do they even bother with a story anymore
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Bridgette Wilson
One of the supreme 90s crushes. I will always jam this song in honor of her.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't know she sings. Her voice still sounded good in MK11. Really should have cast her in the first place. Ronda Rousey can't act worth shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like they're aware because the casting of Megan Fox as Nitara couldn't not be a wink to that decision. Megan Fox is like the most wooden non actress of all time, and her "i'm not even trying" line deliveries are hilariously out of place amongst all the melodrama
8 months ago
Anonymous
How is Nitara in the new game? I remember her being a "neutral" aligned character who surprisingly kept her end of the deal with Cyrax and didn't stab him in the back like any of the villains would. Did they make her more of a villain or more heroic this time?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately she doesn't really have much going on in the story. She is still more neutral than anything I guess because she is only out to help her own race, but Quan Chi uses this to recruit her so she's allied with the villains.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>only Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, then three others were DLC skins with voices.
i wasn't just talking about that. there's quite a few interactions that reference the movie like liu kang mentioning the bucket of water to either noob or sub zero or everyone not shutting up about the $500 sunglasses. also "past" liu kang & kitana have relatively similar designs to what they had in the movie and reptile's cameo in the krypt is his movie lizard person design.
I feel like they're aware because the casting of Megan Fox as Nitara couldn't not be a wink to that decision. Megan Fox is like the most wooden non actress of all time, and her "i'm not even trying" line deliveries are hilariously out of place amongst all the melodrama
apparently she wants to be kitana in the next live action movie coming out so it wouldn't surprise me if this was her way of trying to get her foot in the door for that.
How is Nitara in the new game? I remember her being a "neutral" aligned character who surprisingly kept her end of the deal with Cyrax and didn't stab him in the back like any of the villains would. Did they make her more of a villain or more heroic this time?
basically what
Unfortunately she doesn't really have much going on in the story. She is still more neutral than anything I guess because she is only out to help her own race, but Quan Chi uses this to recruit her so she's allied with the villains.
said although her ending & interactions implied that her people are going full daybreakers by abducting people to use as breeding stock for cattle. outside of that most of the MK12 villains have some nuance to them on some level except for quan chi, bi-han & havik.
rain is the most sympathetic villain imo because he regrets his actions in the story and in his ending he turns himself in.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>apparently she wants to be kitana in the next live action movie coming out so it wouldn't surprise me if this was her way of trying to get her foot in the door for that.
I get the impression that they locked Kitana as Asian, or at least looking Asian.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you'd be right but the last live action movie made mileena black so who really knows at this point?
fun fact: the protagonist, cole young was suppose to be johnny cage in earlier drafts but the producers felt it was "too hollywood" and now we're getting karl urban as johnny cage.
8 months ago
Anonymous
what's this movie? Is it an entirely new continuity or is it related to the legacy thing?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Mileena has darker skin than Kitana in the later games and nowadays dark skin = black.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you'd be right but the last live action movie made mileena black so who really knows at this point?
fun fact: the protagonist, cole young was suppose to be johnny cage in earlier drafts but the producers felt it was "too hollywood" and now we're getting karl urban as johnny cage.
They also made Jade black for some reason
8 months ago
Anonymous
>havik
is he really the main villain? It was weird how they propped him up in the MKX comic then he never showed up.
8 months ago
Anonymous
he's a goon in 12 but datamining reveals that there's going to be a story expansion with him as the main villain.
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They also made Jade black for some reason
jade was always black though.
what's this movie? Is it an entirely new continuity or is it related to the legacy thing?
it's a sequel to the 2021 movie which was kinda ass and ultimately carried by sub zero, scorpion & kano.
It's a fun game but it made me seethe >play with friend >having a good time >not sure where to go >find a spot that could be a jump you have to make or just a death pit >fixed camera won't let me see the other side >jump and die teleporting me back to the ledge >okay so it's just a death pit >wander some more and find no paths forward >call it a day >look it up and it turns out you both have to jump at the same time to make the camera move and not kill you
Game is very fun but shit like that sticks with you. It's like no one play tested the game co op.
It was a fun distraction in an era where beat em ups were somewhat "old school", MK still delivered some action that didn't make you ashamed to play with embarrassing anime artwork and other such sissy shit popularized in the Zillennial generation of bearded four eyes.
i played it with my brother. obviously co-op makes this game much more enjoyable. i remember beating it and i think unlocking scorpion/subzero which sounded awesome for another playthru but i dont think i ever actually did it. one of many games i purchased new that i never actually replayed.
i'd say it's the best MK action spin off (which really isn't saying much since mythologies & special forces almost killed the franchise) but trilogy is the best 2D era game, armageddon is the best 3D era game and MK9 is the best reboot era game.
i'm currently going through all the MK games arcade towers (MK1-MK11 + the injustice games) for halloween one character at a time so most of them are kinda fresh in my mind as a result.
i haven't picked up MK12 yet but i'd rather wait for an ultimate edition since i'm not nearly interested enough to pay $70 + the price of whatever DLCs the include. also it seems like it has too much of what i didn't like about MK10 & MK11.
Why do you like Armageddon more than Deception? Yes, it has more characters, motor kombat and a fun adventure mode, but most of the characters feel too samey and Deception's minigames are better.
NTA but my problem with the 3D era games is that the rosters are kinda ass and i say this as someone who likes the newcomers in deadly alliance & deception.
armageddon ultimately fixes this by adding everyone in the series up to that point (although tremor is oddly absent) sure characters feel a little samey (and a character creator doesn't really fix this) but considering that we haven't seen most of these characters since MK trilogy it's to be expected.
that said i did like MK vs DC more from a gameplay perspective (and the fact that i like DC) but almost everything about that game feels like a downgrade. injustice is ultimately better even if both games have a pretty shit roster.
>armageddon ultimately fixes this by adding everyone in the series up to that point (although tremor is oddly absent)
The whole point was to add characters who had been playable in Mortal Kombat games up to that point, Tremor was not playable until MKX. Sareena was playable on a Gameboy port of one of the games I think, so she got into Armageddon.
You play MK1 and go "wow digitized kung-fu action with spooky moments!"
then you play MK2 and go "omg they really improved this stuff, this looks beautiful and look at those creepy backgrounds!"
then you play Shaolin Monks and go "wow the previous two games but in 3D brawler style, very cool very cool.
then you play MK9 and go "wow they managed to recreate these classic games into a very nice fighting game.
This reminds me of zoomers who want to talk about classic shows we all grew up on, but they say >oh, i looked up which episodes were filler and skipped them, i only watched the book end episodes XD
soulless generation who should leave the rest of us alone
It's one of those games that was like a hot knife into the novelty center of my child brain, not just seeing the mk characters and their movesets re imagined into an action adventure brawler but them having the specific squat compact quality of action figures, they looked like if hasbro had released a line of mk figures in the style of 3.75in gi joe.
they added that outfit to MK11, then they added Bridgette Wilson, but not Kerri Hoskins 🙁
it would have been great hearing Sonya with that derpy midwest accent.
>”Ed Boon, who has always been the creative director for MK, is the creative director for Shaolin Monks and he sat down with the programmers that created the fight engine and helped tweak it himself” >tweak it
Doesn’t seem like he did anything
Since we're talking about the whole franchise, how would you fix these two games? They are almost decent, so I can't help but think there's some potential in them.
Sub-Zero needs to be totally overhauled. The stiff movement needs to go, needing to press a button to change direction, the platforming, it's all bad.
Special Forces they basically gave up on and half assed. Shaolin Monks with Jax and Sonya is what it could have been if it was good.
Sub-Zero should have been more Metroid-Vania-y. Also make his mobility better, he's supposed to be a ninja/Lin Kuei so why does he move so awkwardly?
They had some goals with MK Sub Zero that didn't translate properly or just were at odds with each other.
It's a platformer, but let's get the exact same combo system from MK3 so people can really feel like playing SubZero, but if two or more enemies show up from different sides then how to control back fierce kick, circle forward punch or similar moves? Well let's put a choose-a-side button that makes the whole game feel very awkward to control. There is also the fact that it's MORTAL KOMBAT and we want gorey deaths, so lets put cheap gotcha traps sprinkled around that totally kill you and make exploration more annoying than it should be.
Trying to make it a full metroidvania with those goals in mind would be a mess, perhaps a total overhaul is not needed but some of the goals would have to go.
>the least shitty title in a shitty series
Cool.
>backtracking: the game
nah, you're just nostalgiagayging
9 is the peak of the series
cope and seethe all you like
Sure if 9 is the only game you've played nostalgiagay, Shaolin Monks has better gameplay, tons of secrets, fun kombat and you can even play the actual best game of the franchise MK2.
NTA but MK9 is the best of the reboot era because despite MKX & MK11 having bigger rosters they somehow feel like much smaller games with less overall content going on.
MK9 is the best of the reboot era because it was still trying to capture the essence of the old games, when they started trying to be original is where it feels different
that's not entirely true. while MK9 is a reimagining of the first 3 games MKX is a reimagining of MK4 while MK12 is a reimagining of deadly alliance with minor elements of deception & armageddon.
MK11 is probably the most original of the newer games but they make a ton of references to the 1995 movie to the point where they got the actors to reprise their roles and redesigned some characters to look similar to their movie counterparts.
>MK9 is a reimagining of the first 3 games MKX is a reimagining of MK4 while MK12 is a reimagining of deadly alliance with minor elements of deception & armageddon.
Yeah but only MK9 really is "the same thing but different", the others are more like totally original just with some minor elements of the old. I mean you get all the classic characters in MK9 and the same story beats just altered a bit, there are no original OCs other than Cyber Sub Zero, meanwhile MKX is a lot of OCs and pretty much none of the MK4 playables are there, it's not exactly the same level of thing.
only Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, then three others were DLC skins with voices. Which was a shame because Bridgette Wilson sounds leagues better than Ronda Rousey. I'm glad they got rid of Ashley Burch for Cassie though.
Also MKX was mostly original, the MK4 events already happened in the game's backstory, except Johnny Cage beat Shinnok and MKX continues after with a bunch of new characters in the forefront.
iirc shang tsung wasn't in it til the expansion too. Nothing that happens in the expansion even matters, it all just goes back to Liu Kang becoming a God who recreates the universe.
and that doesn't matter either because it's a multiverse and what's important throwing fireballs and tearing off heads and ripping apart spacetime eighteen fricking thousand times only to reboot it all and do it again. Why do they even bother with a story anymore
>Bridgette Wilson
One of the supreme 90s crushes. I will always jam this song in honor of her.
I didn't know she sings. Her voice still sounded good in MK11. Really should have cast her in the first place. Ronda Rousey can't act worth shit.
I feel like they're aware because the casting of Megan Fox as Nitara couldn't not be a wink to that decision. Megan Fox is like the most wooden non actress of all time, and her "i'm not even trying" line deliveries are hilariously out of place amongst all the melodrama
How is Nitara in the new game? I remember her being a "neutral" aligned character who surprisingly kept her end of the deal with Cyrax and didn't stab him in the back like any of the villains would. Did they make her more of a villain or more heroic this time?
Unfortunately she doesn't really have much going on in the story. She is still more neutral than anything I guess because she is only out to help her own race, but Quan Chi uses this to recruit her so she's allied with the villains.
>only Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, then three others were DLC skins with voices.
i wasn't just talking about that. there's quite a few interactions that reference the movie like liu kang mentioning the bucket of water to either noob or sub zero or everyone not shutting up about the $500 sunglasses. also "past" liu kang & kitana have relatively similar designs to what they had in the movie and reptile's cameo in the krypt is his movie lizard person design.
apparently she wants to be kitana in the next live action movie coming out so it wouldn't surprise me if this was her way of trying to get her foot in the door for that.
basically what
said although her ending & interactions implied that her people are going full daybreakers by abducting people to use as breeding stock for cattle. outside of that most of the MK12 villains have some nuance to them on some level except for quan chi, bi-han & havik.
rain is the most sympathetic villain imo because he regrets his actions in the story and in his ending he turns himself in.
>apparently she wants to be kitana in the next live action movie coming out so it wouldn't surprise me if this was her way of trying to get her foot in the door for that.
I get the impression that they locked Kitana as Asian, or at least looking Asian.
you'd be right but the last live action movie made mileena black so who really knows at this point?
fun fact: the protagonist, cole young was suppose to be johnny cage in earlier drafts but the producers felt it was "too hollywood" and now we're getting karl urban as johnny cage.
what's this movie? Is it an entirely new continuity or is it related to the legacy thing?
Mileena has darker skin than Kitana in the later games and nowadays dark skin = black.
They also made Jade black for some reason
>havik
is he really the main villain? It was weird how they propped him up in the MKX comic then he never showed up.
he's a goon in 12 but datamining reveals that there's going to be a story expansion with him as the main villain.
jade was always black though.
it's a sequel to the 2021 movie which was kinda ass and ultimately carried by sub zero, scorpion & kano.
a kusoge that is a bit better then the other kusoge in the series.
https://00gamers.wordpress.com/2023/10/25/kusoge/
>kusoge
go back and kys troon
>troon
How the frick is the word "kusoge" being used count as evidence for that anon being a GID sufferer.
you are not japanese.
Ok?
so don't use japanese slang, like some homosexual otaku.
Otaku is a japanese word, butch.
contextualized with "homosexual", so you would understand.
It's a fun game but it made me seethe
>play with friend
>having a good time
>not sure where to go
>find a spot that could be a jump you have to make or just a death pit
>fixed camera won't let me see the other side
>jump and die teleporting me back to the ledge
>okay so it's just a death pit
>wander some more and find no paths forward
>call it a day
>look it up and it turns out you both have to jump at the same time to make the camera move and not kill you
Game is very fun but shit like that sticks with you. It's like no one play tested the game co op.
yeah and it isn't even close either. nothing but good memories playing through this many times with my best friend.
>best
but you didn't post the N64 sub zero game
should have called it "new ways to die"
this game is terrible, but it's surprisingly less terrible on PS1
>this game is terrible
its one of the all time kazuo kusoges.
Yes, but only on PlayStation.
It was a fun distraction in an era where beat em ups were somewhat "old school", MK still delivered some action that didn't make you ashamed to play with embarrassing anime artwork and other such sissy shit popularized in the Zillennial generation of bearded four eyes.
i played it with my brother. obviously co-op makes this game much more enjoyable. i remember beating it and i think unlocking scorpion/subzero which sounded awesome for another playthru but i dont think i ever actually did it. one of many games i purchased new that i never actually replayed.
Great game, especially co-op. Wife and I beat it a couple times together and she usually doesn't like beatem ups.
Only if you have a friend and I lost all mine.
i'd say it's the best MK action spin off (which really isn't saying much since mythologies & special forces almost killed the franchise) but trilogy is the best 2D era game, armageddon is the best 3D era game and MK9 is the best reboot era game.
all correct however i never played armageddon. i preferred deception over deadly alliance
i'm currently going through all the MK games arcade towers (MK1-MK11 + the injustice games) for halloween one character at a time so most of them are kinda fresh in my mind as a result.
i haven't picked up MK12 yet but i'd rather wait for an ultimate edition since i'm not nearly interested enough to pay $70 + the price of whatever DLCs the include. also it seems like it has too much of what i didn't like about MK10 & MK11.
Why do you like Armageddon more than Deception? Yes, it has more characters, motor kombat and a fun adventure mode, but most of the characters feel too samey and Deception's minigames are better.
NTA but my problem with the 3D era games is that the rosters are kinda ass and i say this as someone who likes the newcomers in deadly alliance & deception.
armageddon ultimately fixes this by adding everyone in the series up to that point (although tremor is oddly absent) sure characters feel a little samey (and a character creator doesn't really fix this) but considering that we haven't seen most of these characters since MK trilogy it's to be expected.
that said i did like MK vs DC more from a gameplay perspective (and the fact that i like DC) but almost everything about that game feels like a downgrade. injustice is ultimately better even if both games have a pretty shit roster.
>armageddon ultimately fixes this by adding everyone in the series up to that point (although tremor is oddly absent)
The whole point was to add characters who had been playable in Mortal Kombat games up to that point, Tremor was not playable until MKX. Sareena was playable on a Gameboy port of one of the games I think, so she got into Armageddon.
You play MK1 and go "wow digitized kung-fu action with spooky moments!"
then you play MK2 and go "omg they really improved this stuff, this looks beautiful and look at those creepy backgrounds!"
then you play Shaolin Monks and go "wow the previous two games but in 3D brawler style, very cool very cool.
then you play MK9 and go "wow they managed to recreate these classic games into a very nice fighting game.
Then you quit.
This reminds me of zoomers who want to talk about classic shows we all grew up on, but they say
>oh, i looked up which episodes were filler and skipped them, i only watched the book end episodes XD
soulless generation who should leave the rest of us alone
there are a lot of filler episodes of shows I wished I never watched
>skipping trilogy
homosexual. you will never be black or japanese.
MK3 is "what if MK but on Chicago"
It's one of those games that was like a hot knife into the novelty center of my child brain, not just seeing the mk characters and their movesets re imagined into an action adventure brawler but them having the specific squat compact quality of action figures, they looked like if hasbro had released a line of mk figures in the style of 3.75in gi joe.
I'll never forgive Boon for not making SM2
we were going to get a SM2 with scorpion & sub zero but the studio behind it and shaolin monks went under.
there's concept art and a prototype for what it was going to be.
they added that outfit to MK11, then they added Bridgette Wilson, but not Kerri Hoskins 🙁
it would have been great hearing Sonya with that derpy midwest accent.
How did that hack moron Ed Boon manage to pull it off, bros? He actually made a semi-enjoyable game for once in his entire career.
Smash TV sucks
How involved is he in the game developed nowadays? Almost nothing he says is consistent with the games.
>”Ed Boon, who has always been the creative director for MK, is the creative director for Shaolin Monks and he sat down with the programmers that created the fight engine and helped tweak it himself”
>tweak it
Doesn’t seem like he did anything
https://web.archive.org/web/20220313122905/https://www.gamesradar.com/mortal-kombat-shaolin-monks-interview/
Since we're talking about the whole franchise, how would you fix these two games? They are almost decent, so I can't help but think there's some potential in them.
Sub-Zero needs to be totally overhauled. The stiff movement needs to go, needing to press a button to change direction, the platforming, it's all bad.
Special Forces they basically gave up on and half assed. Shaolin Monks with Jax and Sonya is what it could have been if it was good.
They had some goals with MK Sub Zero that didn't translate properly or just were at odds with each other.
It's a platformer, but let's get the exact same combo system from MK3 so people can really feel like playing SubZero, but if two or more enemies show up from different sides then how to control back fierce kick, circle forward punch or similar moves? Well let's put a choose-a-side button that makes the whole game feel very awkward to control. There is also the fact that it's MORTAL KOMBAT and we want gorey deaths, so lets put cheap gotcha traps sprinkled around that totally kill you and make exploration more annoying than it should be.
Trying to make it a full metroidvania with those goals in mind would be a mess, perhaps a total overhaul is not needed but some of the goals would have to go.
Sub-Zero should have been more Metroid-Vania-y. Also make his mobility better, he's supposed to be a ninja/Lin Kuei so why does he move so awkwardly?