If a cat acted perfectly and a human acted in every possible worst way it would not be impossible for one to kill a human.
Hasn't happened on record tho.
>video says "trying to protect her dog from a cat" >dog is safe behind fencing and bigger than cat >doesn't bother to bring the dog in >obviously just didn't like the cat and antagonized a down-on-his-luck puss for no reason and he decided he wouldn't take that shit
Genuinely not sure why you would abuse a small animal, lose and then lie about it.
I especially like the dog looking back at the camera like "HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE THAT" when the cat flips the landwhale on the ground.
But it is a sad story since she got it put down in the end.
She supposedly adopted him as a stray, but it was too rough to be around the dog so she let it roam around, but it would continue to come in and seek to attack the dog. This was caught when she tried to discourage it. She had it put down because she was worried about rabies, even tho he tested negative.
All in all its a dumb c**t messing around with nature story. If your dog is that size and can't handle an aggressive cat you should not let it go outside the house in the first place, its literally defective.
I wouldn't go that far. Predators have to be more careful about injuries than herbivores do, and in spite of being domesticated and having an extremely reliable food supply, dogs don't know that they have luxuries that other predators don't get. Their instincts are going to tell them to avoid unnecessary fights, on top of being intentionally bred to be tolerant of weird behavior from other species (with exceptions, like the terriers, who are straight out bred to kill). On the other hand, a cat is both predator and prey, and have to be willing to throw down against larger animals if they can't escape. Dogs are higher on the food chain and can afford to take less risks and be less wary, which translates to generally less aggressive behavior.
I'd be more willing to call an overly aggressive dog defective before an overly timid one.
I especially like the dog looking back at the camera like "HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE THAT" when the cat flips the landwhale on the ground.
But it is a sad story since she got it put down in the end.
She supposedly adopted him as a stray, but it was too rough to be around the dog so she let it roam around, but it would continue to come in and seek to attack the dog. This was caught when she tried to discourage it. She had it put down because she was worried about rabies, even tho he tested negative.
All in all its a dumb c**t messing around with nature story. If your dog is that size and can't handle an aggressive cat you should not let it go outside the house in the first place, its literally defective.
It’s shocking how consistently inept women are when dealing with animals. Every time I hear about a dog getting free of it’s owner, or a person getting beaten by a fricking squirrel, it’s a woman.
Not true. There's been a couple cases of a housecat killing adult humans by attacking the legs. There was a news story about a housecat killing a man who tried to burgle a house by clawing near the crotch and tearing up the back of the leg near the knee. Dude bled out before paramedics arrived. It used to float around the internet all the time.
>Not true. There's been a couple cases of a housecat killing adult humans by attacking the legs.
Please find me a quote because I have checked multiple times over the last few years and every single article I've read said there was no case of recorded death beyond baby smothering (which I still find incredibly doubtful).
I wouldn't go that far. Predators have to be more careful about injuries than herbivores do, and in spite of being domesticated and having an extremely reliable food supply, dogs don't know that they have luxuries that other predators don't get. Their instincts are going to tell them to avoid unnecessary fights, on top of being intentionally bred to be tolerant of weird behavior from other species (with exceptions, like the terriers, who are straight out bred to kill). On the other hand, a cat is both predator and prey, and have to be willing to throw down against larger animals if they can't escape. Dogs are higher on the food chain and can afford to take less risks and be less wary, which translates to generally less aggressive behavior.
I'd be more willing to call an overly aggressive dog defective before an overly timid one.
Most dogs can kill a cat without intending to, simply by playing too hard. In most situations a cat cannot realistically kill a dog, although it can seriously hurt it. Its perfectly fine for a dog that's playing too hard to get a nose scratch by a cat and be taught a lesson to chill and back off, but if the cat is seeking it out often to fight with it as reported, eventually the dog should be able to tell it to frick off.
A cat can kill a dog if it gets lucky or they're about the same size (small dog breed, big ass cat). But usually a dog won't let it get that far. A lot of people forget that a dog's claws are plenty dangerous, and they have more than enough bite strength to kill a cat. Dogs are top predators in their weight class with an instinct to thrash a limb or neck, and that fricks up cats especially hard. Raccoons have well-protected necks and an unusually high amount of loose skin that means it's harder to make a wound that isn't superficial enough the animal can keep fighting. I would still say it's pretty unusual for a raccoon to kill a dog.
What the frick is this thread, even?
>Not true. There's been a couple cases of a housecat killing adult humans by attacking the legs.
Please find me a quote because I have checked multiple times over the last few years and every single article I've read said there was no case of recorded death beyond baby smothering (which I still find incredibly doubtful).
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Most dogs can kill a cat without intending to, simply by playing too hard. In most situations a cat cannot realistically kill a dog, although it can seriously hurt it. Its perfectly fine for a dog that's playing too hard to get a nose scratch by a cat and be taught a lesson to chill and back off, but if the cat is seeking it out often to fight with it as reported, eventually the dog should be able to tell it to frick off.
I tried looking for you, man, but the enshittification of search engines is intense. With both Goog and DDG mostly I got clickbait and unrelated articles about random people shooting burglars or bobcat attacks on hikers.
>I tried looking for you, man,
Thanks for trying, I tried myself too with a bunch of likely keywords but couldn't find anything. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me that much, given enough time we'll find a way to get killed by fricking anything. As weird as it sound I find that more likely than the baby smothering stories.
I once tried getting my cat to take a bath after being told by my roommate that she had done the same a few weeks earlier and the cat had been chill (she had not, that turned out to be a lie). The cat dug her claws so deep in my arm I lifted her by it. At the right spot and the right motion that could surely nick a big vein.
anon, a tiny cat can chase away a fricking bear, most animals aren't reteraded enough to tangle with a furious ball of claws that can easily take out an eye even if it can't do any worse than that
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>anon, a tiny cat can chase away a fricking bear, most animals aren't reteraded enough to tangle with a furious ball of claws that can easily take out an eye even if it can't do any worse than that
That's nearly all animals. Its the exception when you should run away (leopards are the only ones that come to my mind iirc), otherwise predators will back off from anything that they weren't actively trying to hunt. I've seen a video of some random weiner dog run up to a duo of sleeping lions, start pissing them off by yapping at them, and when the lions try to respond the dog just goes nuts and the lions decide to frick off. A single lazy swipe from their paws could have disemboweled that dog, but they weren't willing to bother with it.
Has nothing to do with the animal in question, the bear in your scenario probably doesn't do the difference between the cat and any other woodland critter the same size, but it does notice the cat isn't scared of it like nearly everything else it has ever encountered, and FRICK FRICK ITS COMING FOR MY FACE FRICK...
Canadian geese have survived and become what they are because they understood this and adopted it as a lifestyle.
>Dogs are top predators in their weight class >weight class
Now I am imagining boxer boxers. Some of those heavyweight dogs would be pretty chunky, like Tyson Fury. Can you imagine that? A fat dog as a sparring partner, or a life partner in general? Wacky stuff.
Cat vs raccoon weirdly comes down to the individual, both can kill each other, raccoon doesn't have the right inbuilt reflexes to kill the cat quickly, and a really fricking aggressive cat can fricking ninja multiple raccoons at a time.
Sometime its not just size its also the attack pattern. A cat going all nuts sometimes bites the first thing it sees but most of the time seems to go for the face/head/neck of whatever it is fighting and vs a dog that just means put yourself right in its jaw's vectors.
Could be a case where the human has a cat in their face and they trip, either hitting their head or breaking their neck? There's ways to contextualize it, people die in stupid ways all of the time.
in 3.5 an attack dealing lethal damage couldn't be reduced to less than 1 by modifiers and a housecat had claw/claw/bite so they could deal 3 damage, meaning that a housecat against a typical commoner actually had decent odds to disembowel one since it the commoner missed his one attack the cat only needed to hit 4/6 attacks across 2 turns to kill him.
Because of all the memes around this scenario Pathfinder specifically changed the rules on minimum damage so that if a lethal attack would be reduced below 1 it now does one point of NONLETHAL damage minimum.
since wizards had the same hit die as a commoner (d4) it also meant a 10 con wizard was similarly at risk of disemboweling, and if you were suicidal or LARPing as Elric and played i.e an elf wizard with a con penalty dumped to 8 you could die in one turn.
>be wizard >spend YEARS of your life studying books >master the arcane arts >get disembowelled by a common house cat named Princess Carolyne the second, a white persian long hair
holy shit, what a way to go
I TPK'd my group in 3.5 with housecats and a cat lady >Have party of level 1 scrubs >Townspeople in the tavern talking mad shit about crazy cat lady on edge of town >Definitely a witch! >She has a wart! >Duh ok, lets look for clues
>Old lady at old house just outside Peniston with cats >Is actually a level 3 druid, makes potions >Likes cats, plants, being left alone and not being bothered for good reason >Players start some shit >Get arseholes torn apart by 15 housecats and old lady with a thumping stick >Well, roll up another party you fricking degenerates!
I did something slightly similar with a Lahmian vampire in WFRP. The swarm template that appeared in Tome of Corruption is extremely nasty when combined with trash enemies like snotlings...or cats. Only one of them died, but the Lahmian got away, and the PCs had to flee lest they be required to explain why they were in a beloved local dowager's home, killing her pets.
We also had quite a run of WHFRPG and there wasn't a lot of complete party kills, but the chances of the group of 5-6 having a lot less legs, arms, ears, eyes and looking like the contents of a handicapped bus was pretty good most of the time. Vamps were usually above our pay grade most of the time as well, we decided to fight a Strigoi which meant meant only the completely insane and suicidal stuck around to be murdered while the other half without the sufficient amount of permanent head injuries to ignore such things, had a big poo and ran screaming.
Not many glorious moments in that one
A lot of practice was had rolling up new characters though!
It's hilarious how Dung Collector is low-key one of the better entry careers thanks to the lucrative Resistance to Disease and the downright precious Fearless. It's my experience that Fear/Terror is one of the biggest dangers to any party, along with being surrounded by shit-tier enemies like zambinos and skavenslaves.
I actually buffed Strigoi in my houserules because I felt them to be pretty underpowered. Had one in a game once which got absolutely punked by a Carcasonnian knight-errant double furying with his birth-sword.
It is by far my most favourite quasi-medieval career to randomly roll up. If you can survive through about 3-4 game sessions and get a bit of XP you're probably pretty golden for the rest of the game apart from being dismembered, but WHF isn't a game for people who can't handle a limb being hacked off once in a while.
Resistance to Disease and Fearless is pretty huge
Fearless for the long term 'I've seen and hauled some shit' means you can remain sort of functional while everyone else's mind breaks and Resistance to Disease is a pretty critical thing to have in a game where you will more than likely end up in a sewer one day hunting Skaven. There was the terrible trip my players once had on a cargo barge down the river when 2 of them died to the flux because they kept drinking the river water because 'its clear, it'll be fine' and 2 got eaten by a troll.
>Their glowing little D$D murder hobo faces when they expect treasure >This is WHFRPG >Creatures don't necessarily have treasure >What do they have? >Death and dismemberment for players usually
>Creatures don't necessarily have treasure
True, but on the other hand, you can make a small fortune selling furniture and pots and pans. Granted, most monsters don't have those either, but it never hurts to be on the lookout for an extra payday.
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For sure, the players hooking up to a military baggage train was a very quick way to make a lot of cash. >Cooking, cleaning, mending clothes, fixing armour and weapons etc
I haven't ever seen them turn into professional carpet-baggers but its something that I could see them ease into relatively quickly with their ox-carts of carrying away vast amounts of everything, they have over the years looted quite a few houses I think this started back in the 1990's when I was running Temple of Elemental Evil in D&D. A few shrewd swindlers cottoned onto the vast amounts of evil furniture and fittings that could be sold for some big cash.
It got very silly, I encouraged it further!
For me, it's Estalian Diestro.
Yeah, its good to have someone hot headed and liable to resolve conflict and matters of honour immediately with extreme violence
Adventures basically write themselves then
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Diestro also just has good paths into both social and combat careers that will serve a group very well. And because you can go back and take old exits, you don't have to give one up to have the other, though you may be a while in going down the other route.
It is by far my most favourite quasi-medieval career to randomly roll up. If you can survive through about 3-4 game sessions and get a bit of XP you're probably pretty golden for the rest of the game apart from being dismembered, but WHF isn't a game for people who can't handle a limb being hacked off once in a while.
Resistance to Disease and Fearless is pretty huge
Fearless for the long term 'I've seen and hauled some shit' means you can remain sort of functional while everyone else's mind breaks and Resistance to Disease is a pretty critical thing to have in a game where you will more than likely end up in a sewer one day hunting Skaven. There was the terrible trip my players once had on a cargo barge down the river when 2 of them died to the flux because they kept drinking the river water because 'its clear, it'll be fine' and 2 got eaten by a troll.
>Their glowing little D$D murder hobo faces when they expect treasure >This is WHFRPG >Creatures don't necessarily have treasure >What do they have? >Death and dismemberment for players usually
Personally, I didn't make much use of disease, since a lot of them are 'advance the game by a week or die.' Lost time CAN make for interesting circumstances, but it usually doesn't. As for loot...it's about changing your mindset. Collect goblin ears; it's not much, but it's more than nothing. If you kill a dude in the city, get ahold of one of your shady contacts and sell that stiff to a physician in need of an anatomical test dummy. Just don't get caught!
Did you know its possible kill a level 20 barbarian with a housecat in 3.0/3.5? All the house cat has to do is perform a coup de grace on the barbarian who is asleep. This 1 damage from the cat then forces a constitution saving throw of 10+[damage=1]. As while the barbarian might have minmaxed their con so they can make it most of the time, there is always a 5% chance, or a natural 1, to fail the roll and therefore die to a house cat.
Fun fact - according to a russian chronicle, a nobleman called Ryuma Yazikov who was a commander of a frontier fort in Siberia was killed in sleep by his pet cat in 1597.
accurate OP name
If a cat acted perfectly and a human acted in every possible worst way it would not be impossible for one to kill a human.
Hasn't happened on record tho.
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>video says "trying to protect her dog from a cat"
>dog is safe behind fencing and bigger than cat
>doesn't bother to bring the dog in
>obviously just didn't like the cat and antagonized a down-on-his-luck puss for no reason and he decided he wouldn't take that shit
Genuinely not sure why you would abuse a small animal, lose and then lie about it.
I especially like the dog looking back at the camera like "HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE THAT" when the cat flips the landwhale on the ground.
But it is a sad story since she got it put down in the end.
She supposedly adopted him as a stray, but it was too rough to be around the dog so she let it roam around, but it would continue to come in and seek to attack the dog. This was caught when she tried to discourage it. She had it put down because she was worried about rabies, even tho he tested negative.
All in all its a dumb c**t messing around with nature story. If your dog is that size and can't handle an aggressive cat you should not let it go outside the house in the first place, its literally defective.
I wouldn't go that far. Predators have to be more careful about injuries than herbivores do, and in spite of being domesticated and having an extremely reliable food supply, dogs don't know that they have luxuries that other predators don't get. Their instincts are going to tell them to avoid unnecessary fights, on top of being intentionally bred to be tolerant of weird behavior from other species (with exceptions, like the terriers, who are straight out bred to kill). On the other hand, a cat is both predator and prey, and have to be willing to throw down against larger animals if they can't escape. Dogs are higher on the food chain and can afford to take less risks and be less wary, which translates to generally less aggressive behavior.
I'd be more willing to call an overly aggressive dog defective before an overly timid one.
It’s shocking how consistently inept women are when dealing with animals. Every time I hear about a dog getting free of it’s owner, or a person getting beaten by a fricking squirrel, it’s a woman.
Not true. There's been a couple cases of a housecat killing adult humans by attacking the legs. There was a news story about a housecat killing a man who tried to burgle a house by clawing near the crotch and tearing up the back of the leg near the knee. Dude bled out before paramedics arrived. It used to float around the internet all the time.
>Not true. There's been a couple cases of a housecat killing adult humans by attacking the legs.
Please find me a quote because I have checked multiple times over the last few years and every single article I've read said there was no case of recorded death beyond baby smothering (which I still find incredibly doubtful).
Most dogs can kill a cat without intending to, simply by playing too hard. In most situations a cat cannot realistically kill a dog, although it can seriously hurt it. Its perfectly fine for a dog that's playing too hard to get a nose scratch by a cat and be taught a lesson to chill and back off, but if the cat is seeking it out often to fight with it as reported, eventually the dog should be able to tell it to frick off.
Why can raccoons kill dogs but get mogged by cats
A cat can kill a dog if it gets lucky or they're about the same size (small dog breed, big ass cat). But usually a dog won't let it get that far. A lot of people forget that a dog's claws are plenty dangerous, and they have more than enough bite strength to kill a cat. Dogs are top predators in their weight class with an instinct to thrash a limb or neck, and that fricks up cats especially hard. Raccoons have well-protected necks and an unusually high amount of loose skin that means it's harder to make a wound that isn't superficial enough the animal can keep fighting. I would still say it's pretty unusual for a raccoon to kill a dog.
What the frick is this thread, even?
I tried looking for you, man, but the enshittification of search engines is intense. With both Goog and DDG mostly I got clickbait and unrelated articles about random people shooting burglars or bobcat attacks on hikers.
>I tried looking for you, man,
Thanks for trying, I tried myself too with a bunch of likely keywords but couldn't find anything. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me that much, given enough time we'll find a way to get killed by fricking anything. As weird as it sound I find that more likely than the baby smothering stories.
I once tried getting my cat to take a bath after being told by my roommate that she had done the same a few weeks earlier and the cat had been chill (she had not, that turned out to be a lie). The cat dug her claws so deep in my arm I lifted her by it. At the right spot and the right motion that could surely nick a big vein.
>What the frick is this thread, even?
What do you want it to be, friend?
anon, a tiny cat can chase away a fricking bear, most animals aren't reteraded enough to tangle with a furious ball of claws that can easily take out an eye even if it can't do any worse than that
>anon, a tiny cat can chase away a fricking bear, most animals aren't reteraded enough to tangle with a furious ball of claws that can easily take out an eye even if it can't do any worse than that
That's nearly all animals. Its the exception when you should run away (leopards are the only ones that come to my mind iirc), otherwise predators will back off from anything that they weren't actively trying to hunt. I've seen a video of some random weiner dog run up to a duo of sleeping lions, start pissing them off by yapping at them, and when the lions try to respond the dog just goes nuts and the lions decide to frick off. A single lazy swipe from their paws could have disemboweled that dog, but they weren't willing to bother with it.
Has nothing to do with the animal in question, the bear in your scenario probably doesn't do the difference between the cat and any other woodland critter the same size, but it does notice the cat isn't scared of it like nearly everything else it has ever encountered, and FRICK FRICK ITS COMING FOR MY FACE FRICK...
Canadian geese have survived and become what they are because they understood this and adopted it as a lifestyle.
>Dogs are top predators in their weight class
>weight class
Now I am imagining boxer boxers. Some of those heavyweight dogs would be pretty chunky, like Tyson Fury. Can you imagine that? A fat dog as a sparring partner, or a life partner in general? Wacky stuff.
Cat vs raccoon weirdly comes down to the individual, both can kill each other, raccoon doesn't have the right inbuilt reflexes to kill the cat quickly, and a really fricking aggressive cat can fricking ninja multiple raccoons at a time.
Sometime its not just size its also the attack pattern. A cat going all nuts sometimes bites the first thing it sees but most of the time seems to go for the face/head/neck of whatever it is fighting and vs a dog that just means put yourself right in its jaw's vectors.
Dog = strength
Racoon = dexterity
Cat = agility
>fling the cat
>it lands perfectly
Outskilled
Could be a case where the human has a cat in their face and they trip, either hitting their head or breaking their neck? There's ways to contextualize it, people die in stupid ways all of the time.
couldn't they do 7-9 points of damage/round in 2nd edition?
in 3.5 an attack dealing lethal damage couldn't be reduced to less than 1 by modifiers and a housecat had claw/claw/bite so they could deal 3 damage, meaning that a housecat against a typical commoner actually had decent odds to disembowel one since it the commoner missed his one attack the cat only needed to hit 4/6 attacks across 2 turns to kill him.
Because of all the memes around this scenario Pathfinder specifically changed the rules on minimum damage so that if a lethal attack would be reduced below 1 it now does one point of NONLETHAL damage minimum.
since wizards had the same hit die as a commoner (d4) it also meant a 10 con wizard was similarly at risk of disemboweling, and if you were suicidal or LARPing as Elric and played i.e an elf wizard with a con penalty dumped to 8 you could die in one turn.
I mean, Elric would get bodied by a cat if he didn’t have drugs
>be wizard
>spend YEARS of your life studying books
>master the arcane arts
>get disembowelled by a common house cat named Princess Carolyne the second, a white persian long hair
holy shit, what a way to go
God Pathfinder had to ruin everything.
I love lynx points
They are so cute
How much exp does the cat earn, and what does leveling up look like for them?
Needs follow through.
"Sorry wizard, now you have to play the cat."
I find this thread amusing because my current game is involving a wizard who got turned into a housecat because he pissed off a goddess.
I TPK'd my group in 3.5 with housecats and a cat lady
>Have party of level 1 scrubs
>Townspeople in the tavern talking mad shit about crazy cat lady on edge of town
>Definitely a witch!
>She has a wart!
>Duh ok, lets look for clues
>Old lady at old house just outside Peniston with cats
>Is actually a level 3 druid, makes potions
>Likes cats, plants, being left alone and not being bothered for good reason
>Players start some shit
>Get arseholes torn apart by 15 housecats and old lady with a thumping stick
>Well, roll up another party you fricking degenerates!
I did something slightly similar with a Lahmian vampire in WFRP. The swarm template that appeared in Tome of Corruption is extremely nasty when combined with trash enemies like snotlings...or cats. Only one of them died, but the Lahmian got away, and the PCs had to flee lest they be required to explain why they were in a beloved local dowager's home, killing her pets.
We also had quite a run of WHFRPG and there wasn't a lot of complete party kills, but the chances of the group of 5-6 having a lot less legs, arms, ears, eyes and looking like the contents of a handicapped bus was pretty good most of the time. Vamps were usually above our pay grade most of the time as well, we decided to fight a Strigoi which meant meant only the completely insane and suicidal stuck around to be murdered while the other half without the sufficient amount of permanent head injuries to ignore such things, had a big poo and ran screaming.
Not many glorious moments in that one
A lot of practice was had rolling up new characters though!
It's hilarious how Dung Collector is low-key one of the better entry careers thanks to the lucrative Resistance to Disease and the downright precious Fearless. It's my experience that Fear/Terror is one of the biggest dangers to any party, along with being surrounded by shit-tier enemies like zambinos and skavenslaves.
I actually buffed Strigoi in my houserules because I felt them to be pretty underpowered. Had one in a game once which got absolutely punked by a Carcasonnian knight-errant double furying with his birth-sword.
It is by far my most favourite quasi-medieval career to randomly roll up. If you can survive through about 3-4 game sessions and get a bit of XP you're probably pretty golden for the rest of the game apart from being dismembered, but WHF isn't a game for people who can't handle a limb being hacked off once in a while.
Resistance to Disease and Fearless is pretty huge
Fearless for the long term 'I've seen and hauled some shit' means you can remain sort of functional while everyone else's mind breaks and Resistance to Disease is a pretty critical thing to have in a game where you will more than likely end up in a sewer one day hunting Skaven. There was the terrible trip my players once had on a cargo barge down the river when 2 of them died to the flux because they kept drinking the river water because 'its clear, it'll be fine' and 2 got eaten by a troll.
>Their glowing little D$D murder hobo faces when they expect treasure
>This is WHFRPG
>Creatures don't necessarily have treasure
>What do they have?
>Death and dismemberment for players usually
>Creatures don't necessarily have treasure
True, but on the other hand, you can make a small fortune selling furniture and pots and pans. Granted, most monsters don't have those either, but it never hurts to be on the lookout for an extra payday.
For sure, the players hooking up to a military baggage train was a very quick way to make a lot of cash.
>Cooking, cleaning, mending clothes, fixing armour and weapons etc
I haven't ever seen them turn into professional carpet-baggers but its something that I could see them ease into relatively quickly with their ox-carts of carrying away vast amounts of everything, they have over the years looted quite a few houses I think this started back in the 1990's when I was running Temple of Elemental Evil in D&D. A few shrewd swindlers cottoned onto the vast amounts of evil furniture and fittings that could be sold for some big cash.
It got very silly, I encouraged it further!
Yeah, its good to have someone hot headed and liable to resolve conflict and matters of honour immediately with extreme violence
Adventures basically write themselves then
Diestro also just has good paths into both social and combat careers that will serve a group very well. And because you can go back and take old exits, you don't have to give one up to have the other, though you may be a while in going down the other route.
Personally, I didn't make much use of disease, since a lot of them are 'advance the game by a week or die.' Lost time CAN make for interesting circumstances, but it usually doesn't. As for loot...it's about changing your mindset. Collect goblin ears; it's not much, but it's more than nothing. If you kill a dude in the city, get ahold of one of your shady contacts and sell that stiff to a physician in need of an anatomical test dummy. Just don't get caught!
For me, it's Estalian Diestro.
>Their glowing little D$D murder hobo faces when they expect treasure
The cruelest thing by far to these types would be to run Karak Azgal.
>packaging the meta class as "Dung Collector"
That's really clever design, only short of not creating a meta class to begin with.
>Carcasonnian knight-errant double furying with his birth-sword.
>Allowing options that are just better than everything else
Yes.
wow, it's almost like DnD makes absolutely no fricking sense!
You must play a perfectly rational system, anon
no system is perfect, dnd is just the worst in that regard
why would a wizard have a claw in the first place?
They do know how to write them in Cormyr, don't they?
>cat is killed by a flail made from a rat
Two or more can play this OSR meme game
In the wizard's defense, it probably was a woodland encounter.
My brother's cat managed to slit my mom's wrist and she had to get a dozen stitches and go to the ER b/c she was bleeding out. Badass cat though.
Allergies can be a b***h.
>Race: Cat
>Sex: Male
>Class: Cat
Yeah, it's roleplaying time.
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>why yes, I did randomly walk into your house and refuse to leave until you feed me, how could you tell?
Did you know its possible kill a level 20 barbarian with a housecat in 3.0/3.5? All the house cat has to do is perform a coup de grace on the barbarian who is asleep. This 1 damage from the cat then forces a constitution saving throw of 10+[damage=1]. As while the barbarian might have minmaxed their con so they can make it most of the time, there is always a 5% chance, or a natural 1, to fail the roll and therefore die to a house cat.
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Fun fact - according to a russian chronicle, a nobleman called Ryuma Yazikov who was a commander of a frontier fort in Siberia was killed in sleep by his pet cat in 1597.
Good reason to give some things a stagger equivalent without damage
>the cat is now the party wizard