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Selune and Shar are the same person.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Ahh Dark Moon shill I see.
>*vietnam flashback to awful OC donutsteel enhanced edition quests*
No.
Frick off Amber Scott.
the first time i played i killed that guy the moment i saw him because I didn't know he wasn't an enemy and i just surprise shot him with an arrow.
shart doesn't even comment on his death at all, which makes me believe he was tacked on super late in development for extra inclusivity points. which is pretty funny
Why would Shart comment about it, if you don't talk to Nocturne first anyway? She doesn't have her memories, Nocturne helps her remember their friendship
>jannie mad
i'll write it again cause it got deleted for no reason
shart also doesn't comment about him dying if they talk and he makes her remember. they can have a full reunion, then you kill him and it's like he has never existed. so obviously tacked
Yeah, the jannie and mod here are fricked in the head, deleting stuff that just makes them mildly upset and who call out bumpgay. If you piss off this tard hard enough he will even track your IP to keep track of your posts here to delete them.
Larian's writers suck and don't know the first thing about D&D lore, news at 11
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Based on a friend who would sniff Greenwood's farts, from the sounds of it they got D&D lore pretty damn close, falling only slightly short of going completely coomer mode.
I love Ed but he is a huge coomer
>the sounds of it they got D&D lore pretty damn close
No they didnt.
And stop gooning about Ed you gays, its like you cant stop jerking off to him whenever FR is mentioned.
Yes, they did. They just didn't include your ~~*headcanons*~~ so you can't see it as such.
>Yes, they did
No they didnt.
>They just didn't include your ~~*headcanons*~~ so you can't see it as such.
Stop projecting homosexual.
Its transparent and embarrassing.
Think of it like this instead: Does BG3 deviate from FR lore more than 4E or 5E did?
They don't even know what an Aasimar is, no they fricking didn't. Not to mention the lore rape around sucking off Karsus. I'm not gonna bother listing all their frickups, because its too many. They made FR into their own more generic fantasy setting with a light FR coat of paint.
>Aasimar
I am 100% going to guess they wanted her to be a celestial or one of the angels that the AD&D books mention Selune sends to Toril every so often to assist her most devout, but WotC cucked them.
>D&D lore
>Liking D&D for anything but the novels and videogames.
>n-no they didn't
kek seething homosexual
Why would they bother? They should be a slowly starving ascetic on a pillar somewhere.
>Cleric of the Goddess of Loss
I say let him in!
That spot is already taken.
God I want Durance to beat the bricks off every BG3 party member
Evil religions are/were legal in most areas of the Forgotten Realms. For example, that temple of Bhaal in Baldur's Gate? Until the Time of Troubles it was a legal place of worship. Of the god of murder.
Is it really so strange when most modern city centers have temples devoted Moloch, the god of child sacrifice?
Good point.
Can't you also pray to Bhaal to not get murdered yourself? Like how sailors pray to Umberlee?
She's the goddess of the seas, so all of its aspects. Bhaal is the god of murder and ritual sacrifice. He was SUPPOSED TO be the god of dying/death - the process - no matter the source, but he's a spergy edgelord who would rather weaken himself.
No he is the god of dying, but BG2 wrote it wrong and since everyone copied BG2 it stuck in the public conscience despite books pointing out otherwise.
>1st ed Campaign setting box set. Cyclopedia of the Realms, pg 10. (1987)
>that multi-syllabic pronounciation
Absolutely not.
>God of Death
Yes.
BG2 didn't keep that part in.
calm down beh hall
>He was SUPPOSED TO be the god of dying/death - the process - no matter the source, but he's a spergy edgelord who would rather weaken himself.
based
It's because in ancient times one could "worship" an evil god (to appease it). Although there were mystery cults always that would be practioners and priests. Ultimately, in Forgotten Realms as in ancient mythic times, the gods are real, they manifest themselves into reality, and ignoring their existence leads to dire consequences.
It's only with the rise of Judaism/Islam/Christianity that the "everything must be shit on" arose, which in turn prompted to occultism, which was essentially Abrahamic LARPers who fetishized the "pagan cults" of antiquity. You get this in things like sufi myticism, gnotiscism, and kabbalism...
>sufi myticism
Started in the Middle ages, Islam with a touch of Greek philosophy. Still ongoing.
>gnotiscism
Variant interpretation of Christianity, had been strong in the East for a while. 2nd century. Might be considered ongoing only because a lot of variant interpretations fall under this label.
>kabbalism
Judaism influenced by Greek paganism; precise dates not very well established, likely Middle Ages, but explosion of popularity among non-Jews and "culturally israeli" is in 19th century.
Why do you confuse three things spaced centures apart?
gnosticism also is influenced by paganism, namely zoroastrianism
Debatable. Observing the simple fact that some things are polar in nature is not exclusive to Zoroastrians; more direct influence would likely come from Platonic teaching, especially considering that's where the very word "Demiurge" and perception of matter as inherently corrupt come from. Now, Platonism, and especially neo-Platonism of Plotinus, who was familiar with Persians, can be influenced by Zoroastrianism, although it's pretty hard to tell by what extent.
P.S. And while "Ahura Mazda" and "Sophia" are, in fact, synonyms if not names in two different language for the same being, in the Valentinian myth Sophia is actual G God's rebellous teenage granddaughter, with a lot of steps between her and the One, whereas Ahura Mazda is only a degree of separation from Unity, but I'm not exactly well versed in ancient Persian mythology.
>Judaism influenced by Greek paganism
Wasn’t Kabbalism semi-officially started, or ripped from an even earlier blend of israeli mysticism and Gnosticism?
The roots of Kabbalistic thought can be traced back to early israeli mystical and esoteric traditions, but Kabbalah as a distinct and organized system of thought emerged in medieval Europe.
The earliest forms of israeli mysticism can be seen in texts like the Merkabah literature, around the 2nd to the 5th centuries CE. This literature focused on visions of the heavenly chariot (Merkabah) and served as an early precursor to Kabbalistic thought.
Paganism is a buzzword that Christians used to separate themselves from other religions and beliefs.
The Greeks in-general, as a people who loved to learn, venerated cultures much older than themselves, and considered the likes of Zoroaster to be the father of both magic and astrology, and the concept of magic itself expanded to include things like astronomy, alchemy, and other forms of esoteric knowledge.
I don’t actually care whether or not Zoroastrianism influenced later Judaism, or by how much—although it is clear it did in some form.
You know that isn’t the same thing.
But it kind of is.
Umberlee was worshipped to keep the b***h Queen from sinking your ship (also you always covered red hair on board your vessels for the same reason).
Malar was worshipped to keep beasts away, AND to get good hunting before the winter, because yes he's the lord of psychopathic werebeasts, but his people also taught how to hunt game and how to avoid overhunting.
Talona was worshipped not just to curse your enemies with disease but to avoid disease for your own family.
Bhaal brought death to any and all, so dropping a few coins for him was asking him to pass over your house.
Yeah, and that’s not the same thing as the characterizing in question.
This is biased against the chronically murderous. You will be hearing from my solicitor.
You say that while you have Synagogues in major cities anon..
Even other evil gods hate Shar. She wants the universe not to exist. Shar worshippers are kill on sight
Shar is literally the worst goddess in the setting. She's the goddess of reddit atheism writ large.
Something functions? Better ruin it. Someone believes in something? Better ruin it. Society has problems? Make them worse! People try to create beautiful things? Hurt them, and destroy those things. b***h that the world is the color of shit after you melt down everything worthwhile into sludge. If someone tries to say, form a religion around fixing this, declare a jihad on them.
Unironically every Sharite should be tortured for a confession and then strangled. This would be entirely just. Lolth is less evil than Shar, because occasionally Lolth does something useful, like kill Sharites.
Her existence is that of the "void", so it's obvious why she would exist in the first place. And also, Forgotten Realms is an alignment-orientated universe, meaning that there are definitive alignments and those alignments create the moral tempo of the entire universe. But Shar is deceptive and manipulative, her followers are people that lurk boards like /misc/ - totally full of self-hatred (e.g., most people on /misc/ openly say they would help foreign countries destroy their own country) to be used as willing idiots for her plan to restore nothingness/the void. However, she is also the personification of darkness, which is also necessary. The gods are fickle but they are powerful...
I'd sell my kidney just to crush anything you hold dear for being such a moron. Why such gays like can talk like they know a single thing with such sureness. Are you a cleric of Shart?
>like /misc/ - totally full of self-hatred (e.g., most people on /misc/ openly say they would help foreign countries destroy their own countr
Frick off Rabbi.
Even bloody Juiblex has worshipers, there's really people for everything out there.
I mean he hired Akira Toriyama for his propaganda department. Look how popular slimes are now.
Entropy is not caused by her. She exists because entropy exists.
This is why the cleric of Shar's entire character arc his her realizing Shar fricking sucks
It isnt, sharts arc is what it is because larian realized that if they have her actually not be the nice if sometimes sassy half elf cleric waifu the average player will shit their pants and cry. Its why she never acts like an actual sharran at any point.
Her in the moment writing isnt bad, but in terms of overall arc she is by far the worst companion. "I have no ideological conflicts with the terrible things I am doing and a blind aspiration to join the nihilism deathknights, but murdering a random aasimar b***h is too much because she said she knows my backstory!"
The act 2 choice should have been her parents, and she should have started act 1 as a full on baddie before potentially becoming milder through constant efforts by the player.
She also b***hes about destroying the grove and drinks heavily at the celebration afterwards to cope.
It's not like she is the only deity of destroying things as Tharizdun exists and predates her
>some dumb homosexual who knows nothing about the hobby gets upset about stuff that was always there
>makes a whiny shitpost
Fixed that for you
>Shar is literally the worst goddess in the setting.
You say that but I have no idea who would win in a moron-Off between Shar and Mystra.
I have a theory that there are only two types of Spellcasters who worship Mystra: Those who got their dick sucked by her and those who still hope that they will get their dicks wet eventually.
I can only imagine Sharess constantly b***hing at Ao for letting Mystra constantly tread on her portfolio.
Mystras are just massive bawds, but as far as I remember the only true moron moment was Mystra 1 wanting to "talk to the manager" and getting killed as she deserved.
Mystra 2 (Midnight)'s stupid moments seem to be more along the lines of all the "human" deities.
Mystryl was cool.
>Mystryl was cool
>"oh hey that genius mortal made a spell to take a god's power, oh hey he is casting it on me I am going to stand around like a FRICKING moron and let him kill me, oh no I am about to be dead I guess I will AN HERO to save the thing I should have saved in the first place, oh no the fact that I did AN HERO killed the most grand expression of magic ever"
She was also a moron.
All deities are pretty moronic in this setting, the point is that she wasn't particularly moronic in the way Shar is.
Mystryl wasn't omniscient, the spell wasn't supposed to be permanent, and preventing spells was pretty much contradictory to her nature, so it was a lose-lose.
Consider that the setting constantly has supposedly "wise" gods doing stupid shit.
Also
> An hero
Are you going to post pedobears and wienermonglers too?
Gods automatically know what concerns their portfolio, and "contradictory to nature" is horseshit. If her nature is to keep magic going, committing suicide and destroying it is impossible. But she did, so it wasn't. Greenwood is just salty that his mother figure was replaced even for a moment by a father figure.
>Mystryl wasn't omniscient, the spell wasn't supposed to be permanent, and preventing spells was pretty much contradictory to her nature, so it was a lose-lose.
Mystryl was omniscient, she had power over time and the often forgotten Time Wizard book for AD&D Forgotten Realms actually confirms she knew everything before it happened, but she didn't interfere.
The same book also confirms she's technically still alive in a form/dimension inaccessible to most people, someone who attempts time travel enters her domain where she has to judge if they'll royally frick up the time stream or not before letting them through.
Greenwood confirmed that all of Karsus' folly was invented by Slade, who notoriously wrote the Netheril books based on his own setting ideas that TSR didn't want to publish, so instead when he got contracted to write Netheril he used like two pages of Greenwood's notes, threw out the rest, and plugged his own shit.
Which is why older mentions of Netheril talk about magitech, loads of devices to make life easier, and the flying enclaves being just the archmage and his friends/advisors, while new Netheril is full on flying cities, everyone is a wizard, and they just have standard D&D magic but more of it.
Also why new Netheril's big name NPCs are almost all references to an obscure music band that Slade was really into and was trying to cross-promote in his books at the time.
No really, it's fricking stupid.
>when he got contracted to write Netheril he used like two pages of Greenwood's notes, threw out the rest, and plugged his own shit
That's how shit always works in Forgotten Realms. And you're unironically about 50/50, maybe 60/40, on the result being better than whatever the original shit was.
Elaine Cunningham did a much better job with building off of Greenwood's notes to the point that Greenwood prefers to defer everything elven to her.
Slade was just a trashfire of ideas.
Then again Greenwood was also of the opinion that Netheril should never get hard canonized lore, since the entire point of Netheril was to be a mysterious thing that people can quote and reference whenever they're telling a story, whether they're correct or not
>You keep messing around with magic like that you'll go the way of old netheril!
>Remember to always listen to your parents, you don't want to be netherese when you grow older
>Keep your potion admixtures in a separate room, only the netherese were foolish enough to mix them
>etc
as well as exist for a reason for GMs to have an excuse to use any loot they wanted without thinking of the repercussions on the world, hence why Netheril had magitek in some references.
>"Wow a laser gun was in the loot? Who could make such a thing?" says Timmy
>"Uh... ancient Netherese." says George Michaels
>"Wouldn't a magic item like this completely frick over the economy?" says Billy
>"Maybe, but only the Netherese had items like that so maybe things were different then." General Motors
>Etc
So who knows what his Netheril would have been if he had to write the books himself, given he said he only had a handful of notes on it at all (less than 20 pages iirc).
You can still do that though… make erroneous call backs and quotes that is… only a small portion was touched on…
>Mystryl was cool
>she wasn't particularly moronic in the way Shar is.
>she wasn't particularly moronic
homie you serious, she literally stood by as a whole civilization of her worshippers was nuked into oblivion.
She knew exactly what was going on and what would happen.
She knew that the Netherese creating the Mythallars and their liberal use of magic would eventually disrupt the magic of the Underdark and summon the Phaerimm.
She outright stayed silent about the Phaerimm when they started nuking Netherese Cities and turning areas into desolate wastelands because "something something uh be responsible with the use of magic" despite no one knowing that you could use "so much magic that it would drain it from the underdark"
Karsus whole idea about becoming the new god of magic was because she refused to answer any prayers to her as parts of the Empire were literally turned into dust with no survivors.She quite literally turned an Empire of her worshippers into seething fedoragays until one of them fedoratipped so hard he out-dawkins'd her.
>drain magic from the underdark
When was that established?
AFAIK the Phaerimm just hate all non-Phaerimm, their life draining magic drained magic because magic = life, which is part of why the Spellplague was so dumb.
Intelligent Life didn't exist for non-gods in the FR until Mystryl was born.
I think it was in Realms of Magic but frick me if I remember where its been too long.
The Phaerimm went through as many retcons as Netheril itself.
The way I remember it goes is that they fricked off into the Underdark after they lost a war with one of the creator-races (Sarukh I think?) and started to chill in pocketdimensions with ties to the Underdark. When the use of magic in Netheril skyrockted the Weave started to drain it from the underdark somehow which led to the Phaerimm to begin to starve, in retaliation they started creating these magic dweomers that would drain the life for hundreds of square miles.
Weird.
Though yeah, the amount of retcons they had is insane.
It's funny looking back at Karsus' Folly and how
First he invented the spell because he wanted to prove how amazing and awesome he was, because most Netherese didn't know the Phaerimm existed and the few who did fricked off for other dimensions already. He then used the spell to murder a super lich (that he accidentally created in the first place) and was so mad with power he didn't realize he had destroyed his own body from the inside out while using it.
Then he invented the spell as a way to rebuild the weave and steal all of the magic from the rest of the world (I'm guessing this is the retcon that the magic was being drained was a part of) to forever preserve Netheril with endless magic that only the Netherse can control.
Then he invented the spell as a way to fight back against the Phaerimm when all other methods were failing!
And now he invented the spell as a way to fix the damage the Phaerimm were causing, who he may or may not have known actually existed
Her profile doesn’t include the destruction of magical talent.
Better to let morons she doesn’t like kill themselves then bother with it herself.
Karsus’ response was literally destroy the whole world because his civilization was going the way of the dodo after abusing their favor with their patron (who then has to bite the cosmological bullet in place of said world). She was right from beginning to end.
I stand corrected then.
Whew, what a moron.
I guess I didn't get that far, I stopped playing sometime in chapter 2 when a corrupted save said I had to replace the last 6 hours of grueling 'every turn takes 10 minutes' slog-fights and I just could not be fricked to do all that again.
Whats the deal on this supposed friend of Shadowheart?
Is it the armorer? I don't think I've seen her mention that she used to be a guy, and I've both made Shart the Dark Justiciar and freed her from Shar.
I thought OP said advertisement group and assume my current party needed to revitalizes the brand image of a very unpopular goddess to the masses.
sorry I already have a wife
I decline
is /tg/ still angry at bg3?
/tg/ has never liked anything good
There is no denying bg3 is badly written.
I liked the first act. It just didn't go anywhere.
I fix her with my penis
She's very fixable. So fixable her fixed state is wanting to settle down on a farm and be gotten in a family way by the player. Repeatedly.
ow the edge
I don't trust white women.
it's okay, she's half elven
>not choosing the Drow Femdom waifu
>she hates spiders, likes ambition and shoving her muff in your face
>if you show strength when you aren't simping she asks you to breed her
>was too tradwife so preg content was cut
>gets revenge by protest breaking every patch
why would you choose shart, frog, or blueballs devil when perfection exists?
>This is a 10/10 in the Underdark.
I'd give her 10 in the underdark, if you know what I mean.
I don't get it.
Shirou.jpg
Minthara is based. Completely psychologically deconstructs your entire party within minutes of meeting then after joining with brutal yet 100% accurate dismissals.
I always killed her prematurely before I ever talked to her.
>>she hates spiders
She doesent hate spiders, she misses her former spider pets iirc. She just isnt fond of llolth any more.
Shes very pretty in that image tbh.
I actually like how Karlach is a sweet, bubbly, supportive GF who does everything she can to stay positive and not drag you down with her condition. She never gives you shit about not putting her needs first and doesn't demand you derail the quest to fix her (which honestly I would've I fricked fricking tortured those Gondians into fixing her in ways that would make Abdirak quail and throw up if it meant fixing her). She's got a justified murderboner for Gortash but that's justified.
But Minthara is a 9/10 waifu. But I just cannot stand her reddit atheism. So Llolth didn't lick her ass and tell her it tastes like French Vanilla. Minthara knows better than to expect that from Llolth. And so what if the cult that put a mind flayer tadpole in her head had a false god. They're a dime a dozen in the Realms. She's way too old to be tipping her fedora like some twelve year old who stumbled onto reddit for the first time.
See, Karlach is fun, shes a pleasant character to have on screen and be around, but its hard to take her story seriously sometimes. She feels like someone who had their friend rat them out to the cops, not someone who was sold to the devil to footslog in the blood war.
Its not even that "shes a good person", theres nothing wrong with her having a strong moral core, its her being so trusting and happy all the time. It should feel like her optimism and upbeat demeanor are in spite of her past and it just doesent.
>atheism
Its not atheism as much as a personal feud. Minthara doesent deny the gods have their divinity or whatever, she just happens to have "personal beef" with some of them, and views others as exalting traits she likes (like bhaal, whom she seems to rather approve of). The thing with her is that she doesent actually have too much of an ideological opposition to llolth, she still clearly holds (mostly) traditional drow values, shes just put into inherent opposition to her by circumstance and as such those same values lead to her having an adversarial view of them.
Apparently a lot of Karlach's arc was cut from the second and third act so if she feels underwritten that might be why.
Maybe, although my issue with her isnt how her arc ends (its tragic, but I actually like that there isnt some last minute fix that solves everything, for a game as afraid of consequences as BG3 thats a nice change of pace, also some brilliant acting) but how it begins.
She should not be so instantly trusting of people, she should not be so easy going about teaming up and following strangers. The last time she trusted and followed someone she was sold off to a devil as fodder, the first thing she does when she finally gets some tenuous freedom should not be "find some new people to follow around"
>I actually like that there isnt some last minute fix that solves everything
Personally I'm really frustrated that the Gondians are right there in a factory that explicitly is producing functional next-gen hardware. The engines in the Steel Guard (or whatever they're called) function perfectly in the ways that Karlach's engine does not. The Gondians' whole gimmick is technology and there's a whole team of them intimately familiar with the machinery.
It just seems like a stupid piece of oversight that these guys are right there with their factory and they can't do anything about it.
I agree with you about how she should have trust issues.
>Personally I'm really frustrated that the Gondians are right there in a factory that explicitly is producing functional next-gen hardware. The engines in the Steel Guard (or whatever they're called) function perfectly in the ways that Karlach's engine does not. The Gondians' whole gimmick is technology and there's a whole team of them intimately familiar with the machinery.
Yea, its certainly weird that it isnt raised. Even if it doesent work for whatever reason (her older model is incompatible with the newer hardware, and taking it out would kill her) it should be "something she would like to try"
I mean if you finish the game and fix Gale's issue without using his TR scroll you could just kill her, tear it out and then true res her.
Thanks anon. I appreciate you acknowledging that.
I wouldn't've really been happy if they addressed it that way - in the sense I would think that's bullshit for forced drama - but it would've been good if it was acknowledged.
Ugh. Gale.
It's really fricking egregious that Gale can get turned into a Mind Flayer and then Mystra herself unfricks him and nobody says a word because gAlE wAs gRoOmEd. Literal last minute deus ex machina for this frickboi who never takes any personal responsibility and they can't spare a few lines for Karlach.
>she should be bitter cagey rat
>she should be a loner
She wouldn’t be Karlach then. She’s a dependent personality always willing to give a shit to those seemingly willing to give her the same.
She’s not a prototypical isekai protagonist.
>See, Karlach is fun,
If your idea of fun is browsing reddit.
She’s just built different. Serving time in an inter-dimensional endless war and getting unit 731’d by a psychotic angel was just a stint in the clink to her.
Based fellow Minthara Enjoyer
Although I do not think of her as an Atheist. She just does not want to make herself the underling of anybody, eben Gods.
>why would you choose shart, frog, or blueballs devil when perfection exists?
Because I have no reason not to kill her or at least knock her out first in the goblin camp when I'm infiltrating it, so I'm never in a position to recruit her. I legit didn't even know it was possible until a friend told me.
Drow exist to suffer.
Artist and writer aren't quite conveying the anger and disgust in a way that feels genuine.
BG3 is shit
Really shit and really good at the same time. If they hired decent writers I really wouldn't have anything to complain about. Maybe the D&D universe is just too goofy for my tastes.
>talented crpg writers
>millenials writing
>2024
impossible
I like goofy fantasy shit because I have a thing for watching cascading failures in motion.
No thanks, she will cuck you.
Why are you guys so horny.
Bg3 characters are so gross.
Shart: cheap coomer bait
Karlach: cheap affection-starved coomer bait
Alfira: idem
Minthara: cheap coomer bait for edgelords
Mizora: idem
Jaheira: cheap MILF coomer bait
Laezel: cheap "goblin pet" coomer bait, from a lawful evil race that reproduce like birds and have surface-level humanity enough to count as "humanoid". Just go full furry for crows with shit-green leaves and no beaks
I don't care about the males because I am not a queer, but here we go: Astarion is a monster that should die, Gale is a thunderous degenerate that deserve its magic STD fate, Wyll is a self-righteous b***h that deserves what he got and he's black only because of ESG-DEI tampering, Halsin is cheap bara coomer and Minsc is a clown. The whole thing is a freakshow for 40 year old virgins.
> female character in media
> cheap coomer bait
BG3 women are ugly and unlikable as frick for "coomer bait".
The undeniable success of this piece of gaming with its target audience of affection-starved males with nothing better happening on their lives begs to differ
>The undeniable success of this piece of gaming with its target audience of affection-starved males with nothing better happening on their lives begs to differ
Try to reread your post and you will find the answer
Oh, yes, I'm one of those too. I can see it, though. Today the appeal to my personal tragedy with cronic solitude and general repulsiveness from people that only show affection for whatever use I have for them (not only women, people in general) hurts me more than give me any solace.
>It's fun to play
Agreed. My comment is not on gameplay.
>Astarion follows lots of tropes that are popular with women
Oh, certainly. Isn't that a delight?
It's fun to play.
Loudest horny fans seem to be the women. Astarion follows lots of tropes that are popular with women.
Astarion was written by a woman.
Elves are bawds though, pic related.
> Astarion
Literal Twilight style sparkly vampire.
>bawd elves
Elves live 700+ years, it makes sense they'd do some weird shit at some point in their lives.
IIRC ages ago, Greenwood said it was normaly for elves to bawd around loads since they have 200+ years where they're physically the human equivalent of 15-21, and then usually settle down afterwards.
It's basically like the memes about not being ready to settle until she's a blown out prostitute, except due to elf blood when she's ready to settle she's still tight and and doesn't look a day over 22.
Also contraceptives are fricking everywhere in FR, so a lot of races act more loose than they would in similar RL conditions.
Which for some reason reminded me of a tavern in the Firedrake Bay area, I think it was the town of Mosstone, where the tavern advertises itself for its connection to nature, including its many attractive waitresses who all are "as clad as a dryad".
Where you then read that they are all blood related sisters.
Where you then read that the only person who works there who isn't a hot chick is the tavern owner who usually runs the bar, and is also their father.
Though they're humans.
Even if contraceptives were everywhere, that wouldn't matter over a period of a couple centuries, in real life contraceptive plants went extinct because people fricked more than the plants could keep up (not even more than usual, just fricked).
>Also contraceptives are fricking everywhere in FR, so a lot of races act more loose than they would in similar RL conditions.
Contraceptives dont matter to Elves because they literally can decide when and if they want to get pregnant.
Which is also why they cant get pregnant from rape.
With Drow being the only exception for some reason.
we both know exactly why anon.
>Contraceptives dont matter to Elves because they literally can decide when and if they want to get pregnant.
Can I get a citation?
The only thing I could find was
https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1235999374859210752
I appreciate the effort but I dont think my DM would accept that as canon. Oh well, if my character gets knocked up then it's back to plan b downing 3 mugs of dwarven ale and throwing myself down a staircase.
Cassil and nararoot.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Cassil
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Nararoot
They were both in the 3rd edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting.
3/10 apply yourself
I'll apply myself on your mom's bottom, I bet I'll find the phone you lost in your last highschool summer vacation there
Karlach is the worst, for females anyways. Muscle mommy loving gays with a millenial's sense of humor.
I am not a female. She being a "muscle mommy" is not as prevalent of her being a thirsty cuddlebug that will die before being able to achieve being properly hugged. I know enough about gaming experimental psychology to know that's manufactured to appeal to a certain male demographic with certain affection starvation problems, and zoomers are normally too green to have suffer it cronically.
They made bg3 too gay, there's nowhere near enough porn of her
>there's nowhere near enough porn of her
Quite of interesting. No matter how hard they tried to shill this game as safe-horny aoptheosis none cared
Conventionally attractive goth isn't safe a horny design. Too many actual men like it. The muscle girl tiefling and the ntr githyanki get all the attention because they're queer presenting enough for the flag-kin to project onto.
>ntr githyanki
The NTR comes from shadowheart, moron.
oh yeah i forgot about the mandatory cucking in bg3
What mandatory cucking? Either I'm clueless or somehow completely missed this.
Shadowheart can sleep with Halsin while you're romancing her, but I think you have to pick certain dialogue options and I think it might also be a threesome situation. I dunno because I haven't romanced her, I only slept around with Laezel in one run and currently fricking Minthara in an evil run.
Whatever the case, I'm pretty sure it's not mandatory. That being said you can cuck whoever you are romancing at a few different points. Most do not appreciate it.
You have to go out of your way to get that dialogue.
>first have both Shadowheart and Halsin in the party when you go to the prostitutehouse
>then go to the loose drow twins instead of any other sexual option
>then ask for both of them and convince them to do it, they don't do so normally
>then convince Shadowheart to join in, she won't if it's just the one
>THEN Halsin will speak up about finding the idea of a MMFF (or MFFF) foursome to be hot because he is a manprostitute himself and when he was younger did things like willingly getting captured by the drow just so he could be their breeding slave
>THEN you need to agree to let him join
>AND ask Shadowheart to agree, there seems to be something involving approval or similar in her agreeing, because she won't automatically do so
You have to go a bit out of your way to get it. Other romance partners will also be interested by it, I think Gale and Astarion. Lae'zel and Minthara will not share. And Halsin will not be interested unless it is at minimum a foursome.
>ntr githyanki
Shadowheart is the one who's cool with sleeping around. Lae'zel is in the tsundere -> trad wife pipeline and Karlach is supposed to be the genki tomboy.
>Conventionally attractive goth isn't safe a horny design.
Was talking about game in general
There's a fair amount of porn but they keep putting dicks on everyone. Even Aylin gets a dick.
>even aylin
Shes a big buff masculine chick with a small GF, its either that or having her be raped all the time on accounts of her dominant role being as damsel in distress
>muh gothicc mommydommy gf
>not the epitome of safe horny
I know you want to feel special, but you're not.
You homosexuals don't seem to understand what safehorny is. Safehorny is not "what normies people like". In fact, anything the normies like is anathema to safehory. That's why the dangerhairs can't draw Shart without a happy trail, a dick, and lobsided breasts.
They are all various flavours of reddit-brand safehorny.
No idea why you are pretending otherwise.
>Conventionally attractive goth
Shes not a goth, shes an emo.
I laughed at last century claims that D&D is satan's work. but now we have this crap with literary demons to play as and lust for
can't go around posting this without sauce anon
think of the damage you can cause
Pretty sure thats by Kinky Queen, its Shart worshipping Shars futa wiener
thanks anons. too bad it's futa garbage
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=9686484
Wrong
Did they fix the slow fall, jump, running up walls and over water from monk?
She's a half-elf. Why is Shadowheart so goddamn ugly?
is anyone good looking in bg3?
my character
I honestly think they all are. If they're not, I'm not quite sure what would be.
My Elf hero.
looks moronic unironically
Because fricking everyone is ugly in BG3.
Yeah, a cleric who's convictions are so strong that she's easily turned away from her god. All it takes is the chance at some good sex.
Well, is it an actual cleric of Shar or is it Shadowheart? Because Jen is about as much a sharran as the girl who claims to "believe in something spiritual you know?" is a christian.
DND clerics are just people whose god endowed them with power. They don't need to be priests or even like the god in question.
DM, I asked for Viconia.
Don't worry I fricked the Shar out of her it's fine.
Was Orpheus always in the lore for Githyanki or was he created for BG3?
Created for BG3.
I can fix her
>Evil race is evil because…they want to wipe out an even more evil race, no matter the cost, and are the only thing preventing a full alien invasion of Faerun.
No anon, they're evil because they're brutal supremacists who raid others for their resources, and are ruled by a lich queen who routinely eats the strongest of her followers to keep them from ever challenging her.
Funny, Realmspace says the Mind Flayers are content running an entire slave world near the edge of the solar system and the only force really keeping them on their toes is a human paladin who leads strikes onto their holdings every so often.
quirk chungus waifu
Baldur's Gate 1 had a big Umberlee temple in town and a shrine run by a priestess just outside of town by the bridge. Umberlee is literally known as the "b***h Queen" and is the Chaotic Evil goddess of oceans, waves and the sea.
She's extremely Evil but people donate to her temples because they don't want to drown when they go fishing.
>She's extremely Evil but people donate to her temples because they don't want to drown when they go fishing.
Also because her priestesses canonically walk around in skin-tight semi-transparent body suits and due to rituals often requiring them to be splashed by cold sea water... well you can do the math.
Sure as frick beats Auril's clergy. Those guys are just weird and uncomfortable to be around.
Nah they're pretty chill when you get to know them.
I will find you one day, Carlos.
Wasn't enough for the fishermen outside Baldur's Gate; they turned to Talos worship after a few bad storms and killed the local Umberlee priestess.
How do you explain to kids in Faerun about the importance of Loviatar?
According to AD&D, Loviatar worship only continues to exist because of rich people and elves with BDSM rooms.
Which fits given the only canonical worshippers I can think of are a bunch of nobles in Waterdeep or the group of elven BDSM priestesses who teamed up with Drow to conquer dambrath back in the day.
Loviatar is important?
Pain is a necessary evil to prevent you from injuring yourself unnecessarily. Naturally some degenerates become obsessed and take it too far, don't be like them.
"we have such sights to show you"
The goddess of pain should also be the goddess of warnings.
Because pain is a warning to tell your body something is wrong.
So her domain should involve prophecies and shit too.
Yeah well it doesn't.
It does in my headcanon
They don't ever permanently cripple themselves as they would get in the easy of torture. They're the kind of guys who bleed themselves then take iron supplements.
I too would spiral into nihilism if I ended up with that haircut.
>can't romance best girl
dogshit game
I wish i could fix her with my good brotherly bhaalspawn dick
Why? She probably doesn't even shower
you don't need to sell it further anon, i'm already in
Why is she wearing "sexy crab" cosplay?
The avatars of murder and the dead look like THAT?
Huh? Myrkul is also back AGAIN?
Its like none of the Gods can stay fricking dead in FR.
Next they will bring back Moander.
They brought him back in SCAG, in the most boring way possible. God 5E lore sucks.
another reason to ignored 5E lore, what the frick.
Yep. On a different note, I still fricking love his portrayal in NwN2: Mask of the Betrayer. It also had a much better reason for his spirit still being around (even if the timeline of it is a bit fricky). Shame it was never made actual canon.
Big endgame spoilers:
>there's a series of Neverwinter vidya
>there's a series of Baldur's Gate vidya
>there's no series of Waterdeep vidya
The first two "cities" are open air sewers and still get all the attention and it sucks.
The second expansion of Neverwinter Nights 1 starts you off in Waterdeep, although it's mostly about Undermountain and the Underdark beneath it. In fact, most of the expansions for the NwN games are set in other areas, I think only Storm of Zehir has you go back there (and only in the mid-game at that).
I wish we'd get more stuff set outside of the Sword Coast, though. Something with a tropical climate would be a nice change of pace, I really can't think of any examples of that outside of SoZ.
They resuscitated Baldur's Gate more than twenty years after Throne of Bhaal. I say it's time they did the same for something older and more exotic.
>there's no series of Waterdeep vidya
what is Eye of the Beholder for 200, zoomzoom
Makes more sense than Deneir returning anyway.
Why did Bhaal give it a fat ass?
Bhaal likes big butts.
Allegedly part of the reason he was so weak (compared to Bane and Myrkul) was because he gave up some of his divinity to bring his favorite b***hes, Talona and Loviatar, to the divine realm by turning them into gods.
Dude loves a frickable ass.
I downloaded a Shart look in VAM and coomed like I haven't coomed in years.
Are there other girls in Realmslore with explicitly canonized pubic hair like Shadowheart and others from the game?
Didn't Lady Silverhair or whatever her name was have it?
Eilistraee? She was a drow. Full-blooded elves don't have body hair in some sort of cruel prank to deprive us all of fluffy white drow bush. Human women had to have some sort of advantage over elves, I guess.
I think Anon means Storm Silverhand, an Ed Greenwood OC.
I could see it. Source on confirmation?
drow pubes get mentioned in Salvatore books from time to time
Is the no body hair thing from another setting and I crossed wires there? That's wonderful, though.
>Full-blooded elves don't have body hair
Its time to stop talking out of your ass.
>No, every other source says there's no body hair for elves in Faerun.
No, really, stop talking out of your ass.
Drow naturally grow bodyhair.
The rest of the Elves, due to Elven Nature, have way better control over their bodies than humans. They can consciously choose for example how long their hair grows or if they want to to grow facial hair.
I assume the same thing is true for pubes.
Why do drow suck so hard compared to other elves? Like what's the upside of being a drow over being any other sort of elf?
>why do drow suck so hard
According to the 4e writers (detailed in the designer documents books they printed for 4th edition), they fricking hate drow and wish people would stop asking about them, and tieflings were specifically introduced to replace drow.
Since everyone at WotC started with 4e or started after drow hate already became a thing (and crawford hates drow), this stuck.
So in the AD&D days, Drow as enemies started at level 2, the default Drow was a Warrior/Mage, whenever you faced a group of 10+ drow you could guarantee a wizard and/or cleric with them, and they had weapons/armor that were at least +3.
Also they could say "lol nope" to all magical effects you threw at them over 50% of the time, without you being able to do anything about that.
Then in 3e days due to revisions, they had equipment that allowed them to bypass damage reduction and armor that gave them damage reduction, and they fricked over some spells but not all spells, and the multiclass system was changed so that was a nerf.
Then in 4e they just became generic enemies, with 5e continuing that trend, while also keeping their downsides.
Speaking of downsides, in 2e it was mentioned that Drow could get over their light sensitivity through practice, and many drow wizards had done so because extensive reading is done better with light, as darkvision back then was actually thermal vision and not just nightvision goggles.
In 3e darkvision got changed, but now drow could take a feat to remove light sensitivity.
In 4e the feat continued to exist.
In 5e drow just get cucked.
>and tieflings were specifically introduced to replace drow.
They very much got what they wanted, then.
Pretty much.
Drow were obscenely popular since AD&D, even though in AD&D player character drow took MASSIVE penalties, they were still a popular race.
With 3e they were even more popular thanks to drizzt's popularity being greater than all of D&D for a while.
4e writers wanted them to be wicked and evil and monstrous but no matter how edgy they got (and drow got considerably edgy over the course of third edition, even more so if you include paizo publishing material), people still fricking loved drow.
Which bred contempt.
So tieflings were the designated edgy race that would become core and get loads of lore and be the new race "for edgy teenagers to cling onto" (slightly paraphrased).
Yes this pissed off all 12 planescape gays who liked old tieflings, but the 4e writers specifically came at the game from the idea that Old is Bad, New is Good which is why they took a sledgehammer to the settings up until they realized no one was buying the new setting stuff, so for Dark Sun they did a "back to the roots!" approach, and people say 4e Dark Sun was actually decent.
That explains why I hate them too.
But why do they all hate drow?
It's a fetish race
>In 5e drow just get cucked.
Don't care, still played one, a character I'd had in my head since 1999 but had been unable to play until 2016 due to being Forever DM'd.
And it was awesome.
>Tieflings were supposed to replace Drow
I can see it.
That said, I got into D&D at the tailend of AD&D when gamestore where still "fairly" common and it was a time when nearly every campaign I was in had at least one Drizzt-Clone.
And maybe its Nostalgia speaking but as mildly annoying as it was they were never as fricking bad as some of the Tieflings that you see in current day.
I think it's partly because of the culture.
Back then the fact a character was a drow, an aasimar, or a warlock was already the weird edgy factor (those were the three I saw shallow people playing), so aside from that one factor they were a pretty normal character.
In today's world you have to stack layer upon layer of I'm X, Y, Z, and Triple Reverse G to 'stick out' since social media has allowed echo chambers of weirdos to exist where they all have to out weird each other instead of just being the weirdo in whatever random group they were a part of like they would be back in the day.
So now someone needs to be a tiefling and a warlock and a CG follower of Asmodeus (or a CE follower of Helm) and 1d3 other things or else they're not unique enough.
Which just gets aggravating for someone who isn't already in that bubble.
Glad you had fun, as a forever DM/GM I get the pain, but admittedly /tg/ is the only place I talk anything D&D related anymore, my group moved on to other games and no one even wants to entertain the idea of looking back at D&D.
That said, I still sometimes steal certain D&D'isms for some games, like if a game has magic and/or elves you can almost guarantee I'm going to stick Drow somewhere.
>my group moved on to other games and no one even wants to entertain the idea of looking back at D&D.
What games do you play instead?
Games we've tried
Edge of the Empire, Shadowrun 3, Starfinder (this was run by a different GM), Rifts, Stars Without Number, Mythras, M-Space (does that count as separate?), WFRP 2e and WFRP 4e, Shadow of the Demon Lord, Earthdawn, Wrath & Glory, Only War, Dark Heresy 2e, World of Darkness, Palladium Fantasy, probably a couple others I'm forgetting.
Ones we've played multiple times
SR3, Rifts (it's a goofy system but it inspires a lot of bullshit), Mythras, WFRP 2e, Dark Heresy 2e.
Admittedly we've talked about going back to AD&D a few times, since we played it long ago, but we've never actually started a new AD&D campaign.
Sounds like a good list. Wish I could try some of those. My group left 5e because of the OSR and Pinkertons stuff but plunged neck-deep into fake "OSR" bullshit that seems to me like a scam to sell a bunch of weird die shapes I've never seen before and books. I think I'm just experiencing ttrpg burnout because we've been through so many one-shots and short-lived campaign attempts, and there's always two going at once because the co-DMs want the other to get to play. But I can't just decline a night to hang out with my friends.
My group went through that phase for a while, loads of campaigns that don't go anywhere, where one or more people don't want to learn the system or setting, where it feels like nothing is going to improve.
It did eventually get better, but it also led to my group having a subgroup that plays different games and different campaigns than the bigger group.
For example, at the moment the big group is playing Mythras, while the smaller group is doing a Shadowrun game where intrigue and cloak & dagger shit play far bigger roles than they would in the bigger group.
Not a bad compromise. Worth bringing up. We are playing the same system with both DMs and always were, regardless of what it was.
>The rest of the Elves, due to Elven Nature, have way better control over their bodies than humans. They can consciously choose for example how long their hair grows or if they want to to grow facial hair.
BG3 retconned an elf villain into a half-elf at the last second so they could keep the beard in his character design, even though the game clearly describes him as an elf and the timeline only makes sense if he has an elven lifespan. I guess they didn't get that memo.
they made ketheric into a half-elf? I never even realised. is it stated explicitly in game that he is? i beat the game a few times, i don't recall hearing that anywhere
>Bg3
>caring about the lore
Choose one.
I actually wonder how much shit is only in the game because WOTC forced it on them.
Remember how early on it used to be a part of the marketing how BG3 is totes a sequel to Descent into Avernus and Murder in Baldurs Gate and you totes need to play those modules to understand whats going on in the game?
All we know is Larian said all of the creatives they actually wanted to talk to they either weren't allowed to talk to or got fired from WotC between the start of the game and launch.
Rumor has it Ed Greenwood was specifically forbidden from having anything to do with the game, because someone at WotC/Hasbro is really petty about him.
Old Ed. who's literally stayed loyal to the TSR contracts and NDAs WotC bought as if he'd signed them with Asmodeus himself.
I doubt that he is staying loyal out of pure fidelity anon. It's probably a simple calculus. If WotC decide to breach the old contract, he could indeed take them to court to regain the IP (they wouldn't give it up without a fight) but there's nothing I can think of that suggests he might have the money to fight that court case. Even if he won, and that is by no means a sure thing even in otherwise cut and dried cases, he would be bankrupt and drowning in debt. Better to suck up to them and take whatever scraps they give him as they come than die on a hill.
With the current amout of goodwill that WOTC has lost Ed making a GoFundMe for a lolsuit against WotC/Hasbro might actually get enough traction to get millions in donations.
>I actually wonder how much shit is only in the game because WOTC forced it on them.
I really don't think it was WOTC. They got involved with people with connections among certain circles which got them a crapload of cameos in the game.
Only if she's my ex highschool sweetheart who cares more about her attachment to me than her religion.
t. Geran Hulmaster
How would you roleplay a Paladin of Sharess? What reason would one have for adventuring?
>Paladin of Sharess
I wouldn't because that's verboten.
Sune is the only Chaotic goddess allowed Paladins and her Paladins are considered problematic in today's culture. Hell her entire faith would be seen as problematic because it's all about being actually physically beautiful and telling people to go out and improve themselves physically if they ever let themselves get fat or even suffer from scars.
The AD&D book outright says Sunites who get horribly scarred up have to leave the church until they either earn the goddess' blessing to have the scars removed, or learn how to hide it.
Does anyone else ever mix Shar and Sharess up?
Honestly if I were Sharess I'd consider re-branding.
Probably.
That's also probably the point.
Before retcons Bast namekian fused with Zandilar to become an unnamed half-elf/half-egyptian deity. She then got captured by Shar and tortured/abused, and became Shar's servant. She was saved before Shar could eat her and shown care and affection.
But this new goddess was still born of Shar's abuse, and more importantly, this new goddess also included counseling in her portfolio.
So keeping the name Sharess might be a way if showing she's not denying her abuse but overcoming it
>namekian
isn't that Dragon Ball?
Yes, but I didn't feel like typing out that Bast found a dying barely able to move Zandilar and to save her absorbed her essenfe, fusing them into a new entity altogether that while it had similarities to what came before was far stronger and technically her own person.
Which is highly reminiscent of what Piccolo and Nail did.
No, every other source says there's no body hair for elves in Faerun.
Salvatore is a "the lore is secondary to what I feel like writing" kind of guy, which is why the hardcore lore junkies get annoyed with him.
>Goddess of loss
I II
Ii I_
With the exception of Gale why do none of the Origin party members feel like they belong in Faerun?
>Gale
>who claims mystra fricked him
>when in the timeline she didn't exist at the time unless he fricked a magic bear that her essence was hidden in
>which says more about him than her
She groomed him then. The fricking came later, after he hit adolescence. Elminster was also keeping an eye on him from a very young age, he talks about remembering Gale as a child entranced by the magic of Mystra's gifts.
>>when in the timeline she didn't exist at the time unless he fricked a magic bear that her essence was hidden in
I haven't played the game, is BG3 taking place during the Spellplague?
About five years after the spellplague ended.
Elminster was also in no condition to be doing that in most of 4e.
But it probably shouldn't be surprising that they are pretending that whole thing never happened.
There is literally one mention of the spellplague in game and it's a lore book.
Elminster was in perfect condition to do that, after Greenwood wrote him as AKSHUALLY doing political shit (in Cormyr of course, because it is so perfect and special) and running around checking on magic items and magic potential instead of retired to Shadowdale like 4e had tried to establish him doing at first.
>About five years after the spellplague ended.
are you moronic?
nta, but there are many "ends" to the spellplague. The majority of the effects ended in 1395 DR, but the full restoration from its effects happened with the second sundering, from 1482 DR to 1487 DR.
BG3 takes place in 1492 DR
It's 1492. Second Sundering was 1483-1487, Spellplague was 1385.
Karlach does feel more like a Planescape character. Not that the Blood War isn't a thing in FR, but it hardly ever comes up outside of demons and devils hating each other on sight, and you usually have to be a lot higher level than her to have visited the Lower Planes.
It's not very explicit but it's implied by Wyll that he (and probably some of the other party members) used to be higher level but have been weakened significantly by being infected by the illithid parasite
Wyll flat out states he's locked out of most of his warlock abilities. Interestingly enough, one of the examples he gives describes Insect Plague, which is a 5th level spell not available to warlocks.
>Not that the Blood War isn't a thing in FR,
Because its not.
5E decided that the Blood War is just over out of nowhere.
Descent into Avernus?? Takes place inside the bloodwar?? What are you talking about??
It was 4e that paused or slowed down the bloodwar because Asmodeus became a god twice over and cut the Abyss off from the Styx.
5e it was back on.
>It was 4e that paused or slowed down the bloodwar because Asmodeus became a god twice over and cut the Abyss off from the Styx.
Ah frick my bad. Got it mixed up then.
>Shadowheart canon likes fart jokes so much
>Characters calls her shadowshart in universe
>People have Shadowheart has a waifu
What the hell wrong with you people?
Finally someone I can relate to!
And maybe Catan with
Execution.
>It's so lame how clerics are nothing but magical band-aid dispensers and have medieval Catholic aesthetics even though this is a fantasy world. I wish someone would do something different.
>No wait not like that.
>man I wish clerics were more unique and had more flavour
>get half-elf that acts like an angsty teenager
>nevermind
ftfy
Honestly one of the greatest crimes TSR did was telling Ed to tone it down when he was working on the Deities and Demigods book and he wanted to make each Cleric his own class with a different set of spells and abilities and Code of Conduct he would have to adhere to.
Just look at this cool-ass swashbuckling Cleric of Vhaeraun.
>Ed wants the setting to rely on wholly new and unique cultures instead of being "earth culture, but..."
>TSR says we need you to put Arthurian England, Egypt, Saharan Desert People, China/Japan/Korea, and the ottoman empire
>Ed wants the setting to rely on portals for fast travel of people, with vast portal networks, and sometimes dipping into other dimensions between portals
>TSR says we need to cut that because of Mazes & Monsters
>Ed wants the religious factions of the setting to all feel unique and like various smaller cults within a vast pantheon that changes and shifts based on what part of the world you're in
>TSR says that might piss off the religious fundamentalists, downplay them, and make it so every race is a monolith when it comes to religion
Yeah, it’s implied that I want the different thing to also be good.
Why doesn't Ed release a
>true Ed Greenwood Forgotten Realms
Because WotC has lawyers, he's a librarian who lives off of the money he squirreled away from book royalties.
Because it's actual title would be
>Dare You Enter Ed Greenwood's Magical Realms?
And the blurb on the back cover would begin with this direct quote:
>"It's only incest if the female partner gets pregnant."
I liked Ed Greenwood presents elminster's forgotten realms.
Yeah the exact title is somewhat less important than the fact that to our knowledge the only two things Ed Greenwood isn't into in some way is scatology and pedophilia. And, like, good for him for not crossing a line that Schwalb vaulted over with gusto, but even still that leaves us with a LOT of fetishes.
I mean let's be real, whether the title is "True Ed Greenwood Forgotten Realms", ""Dare You Enter Ed Greenwood's Magical Realms", or "Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Forgotten Realms", the end result is still the same: a 5e update to the Book of Erotic Fantasy.
You need to seek mental help at this point.
You pop up in every FR-Thread with your weird
>BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT ED GREENWOOD IS...LE BAD?!
You have an unhealthy obsession with Greenwood.
Frick off back to Twitter or reddit where you can rant how everything outside of your reddit-brand.safehorny-shit is "le evil fetish stuff"
It really comes like you have a personal problem and its creepy.
>>BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT ED GREENWOOD IS...LE BAD?!
I didn't say he was bad, I just said he was into some weird shit that might hurt the chances of any "director's cut" of the Forgotten Realms.
> I just said he was into some weird shi
How do you know that?
Have you asked him?
Or is it all based on projection because thats what you would do while worldbuilding?
>How do you know that?
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/sse/sse_070809-06.htm
I told you full well that "its only incest if the female partner gets pregnant" was a direct quote.
>I told you full well that "its only incest if the female partner gets pregnant" was a direct quote.
Ok so where does he say that its his fetish?
You havent answered any my question.
All you did was confirm that you projecting you weird shit onto others.
Being a pervy old dude =/= magical piss forest
How easy is it to learn wizardry in FR, anyway? I remember reading that Elminster actually isn't very good at math so the practice of magic probably probably isn't the STEM wet dream people usually think of it as.
So easy a (blink) dog can do it
Well, that's innate magic, isn't it? Though a canine wizard wouldn't necessarily surprise me.
No, with sidekick levels it can be a wizard
Well, shit. It must be simple.
All it takes is 'can speak any language (blink dog is a language lol)' for sidekick wizard levels. Multiclassing into wizard requires above average intelligence but starting as one doesn't.
You have to have the gift, a natural innate connection to the weave.
How rare this is is unknown, we know some societies have managed to get a lot more than others but breeding doesn't seem to influence it (not that attempts don't still get made).
Assuming someone does have the gift, they literally just need to learn the words and they can activate spells and magic.
Being a proper wizard seems to be more about linguistics and pattern recognition.
Interesting. That's something I could do, if I had such a gift. Doesn't seem like sorcerers are all that different, then. The setting does predate that particular class by a lot, though.
I believe in the manual for BG2 there was a little Q&A with Greenwood, where he was asked about the new sorcerer class.
He said something along the lines of if it had existed back in the day, the majority of mages in FR would be sorcs with only a few rare but very powerful wizards.
>How easy is it to learn wizardry in FR, anyway?
First you need to have the gift or the Spark.
With that you have the basic foundation to learn magic.
This is something like an innate awareness of the weave or rather that this force is in your body and all around you.
Then you either need a good Instructor or if you are lucky maybe you will find some treatise on magic with a basic spell in it.
Then its all about training to learn to cast that spell.
Over.
And over.
And over.
Again.
For example; lets say you found a Spellbook with a Light spell in it.
The first few times you follow the instructions - if you manage to understand it, since Wizards are notorious for writing down their spells in ciphers or codes - probably nothing happens.
Then a slight flash might happen after a few times.
Then a maybe something will glow for a short time before fizzling out.
> I remember reading that Elminster actually isn't very good at math so the practice of magic probably probably isn't the STEM wet dream people usually think of it as.
The Science = Magic thing never really worked for D&D.
The reason magic research is tied so getting more powerful as a wizard is because you are kinda discovering new ways for yourself to memorize or even cast the same spells over and over again or to grow more flexible at memorizing things.
The crunch doesnt really support that because the closest thing would be you being able to cast a spell as half or a quarter of spell slot.
Education in the art of magic via being an apprentice to a wizard or going to some Wizard school gives you a very significant headstart into learning magic.
>How rare this is is unknown, we know some societies have managed to get a lot more than others but breeding doesn't seem to influence it (not that attempts don't still get made).
This is something Ed actually adressed in one of his recent videos, that two spellcaster having a child makes it more likely for that child to have the gift too.
>STEM
>Hard Magic in a Rules Heavy Game
>Discover Magic Mouth; imbue, see flexible trigger, and permanence
>Research and discover others already have learned and expanded upon the idea
>Proceed to Program
>Write programs for peer review including DM
>Introduce Information Revolution to a Fantasy World
>Only do it once for the fun of it since I was bored of being such high level
>Make a soft magic warlock in service of previous character
>Find small joys when DM references magical inventions from a bygone era of the "Dead Verbal Era"
IDK man, like that's your opinion, because you haven't tried to play the game hard enough.
>K man, like that's your opinion, because you haven't tried to play the game hard enough.
Yeah its my opinion and its fine if we disagree.
I feel like it has less similarities with STEM than things in common with it.
And more importantly I have actually read Dying Earth and Eyes of the Overworld by Jack Vance..
You know, where the whole magic system is actually lifted from with his blessings.
It also helps understanding Greenwood's approach to storytelling or D&D. Its to keep storytelling honest, thats it.
But hey the really cool thing is that we both can handle it a bit differently on our respective games and its still fine.
Gargauth or Eltab
Who got it worse?
Renegade illithids inevitably become wizards and pursue lichdom in place of the false immortality through the Elder Brain normal mind flayers believe awaits them. How do these Far Realm creatures that lack apostolic souls all have the gift/Spark without fail?
Maybe their basic Far Realm Biology allows them that.
Maybe its other way around and its because they have the gift they eventually notice they do not fit into Illithid Society.
Or you could ask Ed on twitter.
Might as well. Do you remember what writings this idea of the gift comes from? I've never stumbled upon it myself, though I did actually see the same basic idea in one of those dumb Japanese novels that borrow heavily from Forgotten Realms RPGs. It's a fine idea, it just doesn't quite make sense in a post-Sorcerer world. They're fundamentally the same thing now, it's just that wizards get to advance without a ceiling through study, and Sorcerers will eventually just run out of progress and get capped.
Ed himself has mentioned it a few times on Twitter and Candlekeep.
The Shadowking novels mention it with a wizard having a young boy play with a seemingly normal stone, because the stone is magic sensitive and lights up when handled by someone with the spark.
Thay is also mentioned to test people for magic at a young age, but I don't remember if that's Dreams of the Red Wizards of the other AD&D book about Thay.
>It's a fine idea, it just doesn't quite make sense in a post-Sorcerer world.
The way I see it and some anon in this thread kinda touched upon it, is that a lot of the lore was written before Sorcerers were a thing.
And the way Ed seems to percieve is a Sorcerer is just a different kind of wizard who has to get more hands-on with his magic than through "traditional" study like Wizards.
I think it was mentioned in one of the "Realms of Magic"-Shortstories how despite there being some Magocracies, Magic Circles or Colleges there is no real uniform way of teaching magic and that what they teach you are essentially just the fundamentals that a Wizard would have eventually discovered on his own.
You can have two wizards and trach them both the same way and it will work for one and make him into a better wizard but might not work for the other.
Keep in mind that despite the gift being already rare trained Spellcasters like Sorcerers/Wizards are technically even rarer since not everyone who is born with the gift has access to a mentor or a teacher, so you have people that can use a bunch of cantrips or low-level spell because the gift only manifested later in life and they were for example considered too old or never had the funds to pay for a magic education or there was no Spellcaster around willing to teach them.
>Sorcerers will eventually just run out of progress and get capped.
I dont think thats true at all.
The way I see it:
A wizard goes adventuring in hopes of finding magical texts, artefacts or funding for his magic research.
A sorcerer goes adventuring in order to test his power and hone his magic skills in battle.
To support your theory, I would point out that Volo's Guide to All Things Magical says a small percentage of the population actually has some form of latent magic, with examples being things like being able to mimic the clairaudience spell, or charm spell, or negate illusions by sheer willpower, or deflect magic.
The thing is, while this is rare, it's thought to be even more rare than it actually is, because the conditions necessary to unlock that hidden power never occur in the majority of people's lives.
>Maybe its other way around and its because they have the gift they eventually notice they do not fit into Illithid Society.
That's what happens with Omeluum in BG3. Game doesn't really clarify if he's a wiz or sorc, though. He's a scholar by trade but he sounds like a sorcerer until he offhandedly refers to his powers as "wizardry" one time.
>creatures that lack apostolic souls
That's a new thing.
There was a mind flayer god for most of their history.
It's the usual FR gods who can't harness their souls, not their own.
There is no such goddess in My Setting TM
Cool, maybe adventuring will help them figure out all that shit is gay as hell
I don’t care if BG3 is perfectly accurate to ~the lore~ any more than I care if say, the Spider-Man games are, which is not at all. This is the correct stance.
Whats the craziest Faerunian God to RP a cleric/paladin as? Preferably race neutral.
How crazy you perceive a god as is directly related to how much you know about him.
Nearly all of the pulled some shady shit at some point but Lolth or Cyric have to be biggest offenders of "deny the obvious, uphold the inane"
Where does she worship? Where a church used to be?