The consensus here is that it's even worse than XIII and XV. What the frick went so wrong.
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The consensus here is that it's even worse than XIII and XV. What the frick went so wrong.
Persona mogged the entire franchise and people are realizing it now.
Kinoblade and purseowner are pretty much peak JRPG currently
Persona is better than Shitterblade
The hilarious thing is that xenoshit 3 scored lower than XVI on both meta and opencritic. But nobody ever makes a fricking obnoxious rant about tendie shit being shit. It's always FF, but that's always one of the drawbacks of being a huge franchise
It's actually higher in metacritic though?
FF16 is low 88, Xenoblade 3 is high 89.
Nier and Xenoblade are dog shit.
Don't know don't care about FF16, PS5 is shit.
It was being mogged by Dragon Quest long before Persona existed
I agree but I think it's fair to say Dq, Persona and Xenoblade are all superior now.
...
sylvando is so based, appreciated him much more on my 2nd playthrough
That's because you get 4% gayer with every completed playthrough.
He does make me happier by 4%, yes.
Keep playing it.
Taeeeeeeeeeeee i want to FRICK TAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I have issues with P5 but it does more right than FFXVI in terms of being an RPG of any kind
FFXVI would be a lot better if it was just a level-based action game with cutscenes only at the beginning and end of a level.
Don't waste my fricking time here. Either make a movie or make an action game, don't waste my time by giving me both when I probably only want the latter
>don't waste my time
If you bought XVI not knowing what you were getting into, even with a free demo, it's on you. And that kind of decision making, makes me believe your time is not really that worth
My assumption was that there would be better side content than just hunts.
From the way YoshiP talked about the Hideaway, he seemed to imply there was actual stuff to do but there really isn't beyond the optional hunts.
Even with FFXIV, they do a somewhat decent job giving you some interesting stuff to do when you're not burning through MSQ, so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to have done at least some similar things here.
Here's the thing: most RPGs start pretty linear and open up after the introduction section. They give you some freedom to go do something else and explore a bit.
it's not an outrageous assumption to think that the linearity of the free demo was just because it was the opening act and not, you know, the game entire
>it's not an outrageous assumption to think that the linearity of the free demo was just because it was the opening act and not, you know, the game entire
sure, but you still can put 2 and 2 together and realize who's making the game in the first time, and also how the franchise has behaved since its inception
>sure, but you still can put 2 and 2 together and realize who's making the game in the first time
As in because I knew Yoshi P was making this, I should assume it would be as linear throughout? That doesn't make much sense when FFXIV has a pretty wide amount of decent side shit to do with each patch
>and also how the franchise has behaved since its inception
This statement makes no sense. The trend of the early FF games was giving the player more and more side stuff to do.
FF1 itself has your party's secondary/upgraded class hidden behind a side quest you need to find.
FF games have generally done a good job of opening up and putting in substantial optional objectives in their worlds
You have both with arcade and stage replay!
Anyway, does anyone know if Lostwing becomes abandoned and filled with aether even if you don't do the quest chain?
>Fight
>Fight some more
Listen, I get that they're really proud they got the DMCV combat director to make this game's combat system but I would like it if this Action RPG could express something through gameplay other than man vs monster.
Literally give me anything else, give me an interesting quest line that fleshes out some part of a foreign culture, give me some interesting side characters to learn more about.
I do enough fighting in the main story, I'd like something to give this world some life
The entire point of the sidequests is to flesh out the world and the lore. Did you not do the one with the guy who sold out his friend because he found out that the guy was a bearer?
I did a few, I did one where a bearer ran away from town and he asked Clive to go grab him but his friend didn't trust Clive because he was a bearer too.
I don't think I've done the one you're talking about yet.
My broader issue is that it feels like they're using the lore we already know about as a backdrop for the quest rather than showing us something we haven't seen in the main quest already.
One of the things I liked about Octopath 2 side quests is that in addition to giving non-critical town npcs some more personality, it also created some semblance of how the world beyond the part the main characters dealt with existed. They were also more creative in their structure but that's neither here nor there.
I'll play some more and see if I find some I like, maybe I've just hit a particularly boring string of side quests
Oh yeah "deliver these items for me" and "kill 6 wasps" really fleshes out the world.
>the guy who sold out his friend because he found out that the guy was a bearer?
And how does that flesh out the world? Oh it tells us that imperials are sociopathic toward bearers? You know, the shit that the main story beats you over the head with?
That's what side quests post time skip do, most of the side quests I did during that period were cozy, especially the blacksmith chain.
I see, I'll try some more of them since I just hit the 5 year time skip last night
>consensus here
Is that you're an abortion dodger.
>worse than XIII and XV
It's not. KYS.
it is worse than xv and 13
ff16 is a regression
I want to see this specific instance that Someone in development claimed it was going to evolve the franchise.
we know it's you
xv almost pearl harbor'd the franchise for the second time after the spirit within
lucky for them, they cut their loses and gave it away for wallmart bin sale price
>xvi cultists malding
over 1000 people retweeted it moron
but you are one of the few who b***h and nag here
xv is shit, and flopspoken isn't even worth memeing about anymore
xvi cultists are fricking deranged holy shit
i'm not the one ban evading since the demo dropped, troony
Even if FFXVI were legitimately bad, you can always identify Barry astroturfing by how he can't keep himself from shilling FFXV. Can also identify him by "yoshitpiss" and "xvi-kun". Even though it's so obvious, he keeps doing it.
MMO devs = MMO quality = Do not Play
They should not have given the game to MMO developers.
World of Warcraft trannies, your axe wounds are stinking up the board
MMO devs.
Matsuno and Yoshida either being given zero feedback on the story or refusing to listen to it.
Plot is about you destroying what made the FF universally appraised back in the day.
The consensus here is from people who don't own the console to play the game and actively shit on absolutely everything related to Sony.
>MUH CONSOLE WAR
Nah even someone like Shillup and several others mentioned having a far better experience with XV than this game. It's that fricking bad.
>someone like Shillup
what does that mean?
>SkillUp
He was shilling for Diablo 4. Opinion discarded.
homosexualrons on here pick and choose when games journos opinions matter and it’s sad. Why don’t you just play the game yourself? It’s only $69.99 plus tax available only on PlayStation 5 (for a limited time). Purchase Final Fantasy XVI Deluxe Edition now and get the exclusive Clive Rosfield Steelbook.
I remove reviews from the overall general score if the review goes off on a tangent related to race, sex, or anything social political instead of the games actual story or gameplay.
Any time a review uses their review as a soap box for their political views is a review you can count as non-existent.
Same with any review that speaks nothing but praise and gives it a low score or any review that speaks nothing but ill and gives it a high score.
Also immediately denounce any review where the game in question is in the sites banners and ad locations.
It turns a overall 80+ reviewed game into something like 30 reviews.
SkillUp is friends with Alanah Pearce, who wrote on God of War Ragnarok. Guess how many times GoW is mentioned in his FF16 review as doing things better that FF16?
The man is a western industry plant.
Wasn't she at the XVI ceremony two weeks ago?
I own the game and most of the criticisms are correct so far. Just got me Titan powers so I'm not at the end of the game or anything but here are my thoughts so far
+I kinda like the story
+not corridor simulator or open world garbage, overworld map is more like ff12
-Clive is kinda boring. doesn't help that the facial animation in this game is pretty stiff.
-No RPG elements whatsoever. GoW Ragnarok had deeper RPG elements than this.
-Aside from the main base the towns are pretty drab in both visuals and content. Most are literally just one shopkeeper and that's it. No real personality.
-game seems allergic to color. Pretty much everything is just brown/gray 90& of the time
-Story dungeons are literally 13-tier corridors aside from maybe the first one with Benedikta.
-The combat is decent but doesn't feel quite as fun as something like DD or KH. Normal mooks can't really even hurt you and the boss/miniboss combat revolves around spamming eikon abilities and waiting for cooldowns to deplete their stagger bar. Excessive particle effects and mandatory motion blur can make enemy moves hard to readsometimes. Lots of having to cycle through the eikons which I don't really like.
-lots of shitty fetch quests.
-story pacing is kinda ass because between every major story event there's a considerable amount of shit that just feels like filler.
-for some reason sprinting just happens automatically after running for a bit, you can't press L3 or anything to sprint manually. Very weird decision
-When you mount a chocobo it just plays at little bit of the theme right as you mount it but no chocobo theme while you're riding it.
>Spamming your Eikon abilities
That's a way to play but doing it willy nilly isn't that effective imo. Clive's normals when combed properly with Torgal can do a lot of work, then you just go into Garuda, use the topple and a single Gouge is almost certainly going to delete the enemy's stagger.
> Torgal can do a lot of work
not on bosses or minibosses, especially since sometimes you don't even have torgal.
>se the topple and a single Gouge is almost certainly going to delete the enemy's stagger.
yes but that's kinda the point. Garuda's thing has a specific use to stun enemies at half stagger so that's basically the strat on every boss and miniboss. And to get them there you just spam eikon abilities, whichever you can get off quickest and isn't on cooldown. Also cycling through shit like that in an action game is kinda stupid as it forces you to take your attention off the enemies to look at the menu to see which one you're on. It would be much better if you switched eikons with the face buttons or something instead of cycling and then remap items and torgal to something else.
Spamming Eikon abilities is inefficient due to cooldowns because like every other game with the stagger mechanic, you're encouraged to vomit all of your big moves when they're under stagger. Especially during the section when you only really have 3 moves to work with because you just used Gouge.
Also for the fights where you do have Torgal, his Sic/Ravage move does contribute to stagger depletion, especially if you trigger the Precision variants.
>you're encouraged to vomit all of your big moves when they're under stagger
more like you spam eikon abilities till they stagger then limit break them while they're staggered while still spamming eikon abilities when you can.
Let me guess, you barely use charge attacks, lunge, stomp, downthrust and burst.
Hopefully they go back to what makes Final Fantasy great. Turning it into a drab medieval fantasy is a real bummer. The trailers had me thinking that wasn't the case and we were getting classic FF kino.
It's fricking miles better than XV and XIII. Hell, I'd put it above XII and X for that matter.
>I'd put it above shit game and mediocre game
Yes? Above shit and mediocre is good.
>It's fricking miles better than XV and XIII. Hell, I'd put it above XII and X for that matter.
>above XII and X
Well what have we got here? A fricking comedian.
He's partially right. It's better than XII.
It's story is for sure, but that's not hard given FFXII's story is seriously shit.
>It's fricking miles better than XV and XIII
I wouldn't go that far but I can see how you'd r-
>Hell, I'd put it above XII and X for that matter.
Okay you're just fricking deranged and delusional.
FFX was trash. Cope.
Thanks for sharing anon, your opinion is soooooo valuable that we needed a whole new thread about this, you couldn't post it in any of the 8 active thread because you're just too special not to be getting all the attention
this game is so far off being a final fantasy game that it's barely even a fantasy
hell hath no fury like a barry scorned
Will Dunkey like this game? Ganker sucked 7R's dick but he shat all over it.
Dunkey hates JRPGs, but will suck off any Nintendo product. His videos are great, but you gotta know the people's tastes of what you're watching to judge whether their opinion on something is worthwhile for the subject.
>he hates JRPGS, but also he's some JRPGS that he likes
I fricking hate this dumbass argument, liking JRPGs doesn't mean that you have to like every single one.
Dunkey loves cinematic games with no gameplay, such as Uncharted and TLOU.
But he absolutely hates JRPGs. All those things can be true simultaneously.
The only JRPG he seemed to like was DQ11, weirdly enough, because he loved the gay character in it.
He liked Persona 5 too. And he played through SMT5 from start to finish, which is more than most people.
Ganker hates 7R. The time jannies are dumb af
You know what Ganker is ok in my book. The actual userbase that is, not the constant shills.
what? Ganker mostly loves 7R, outside a few autists who are very loud
Everyone laughs at it because of the time jannies.
>consensus here
Is this an honest-to-god Barry post? What consensus?
It has an 88 on Metacritic, which is lower than FFX's score.
>metacritic
okay? what does that have to do with OP?
>Consensus
This is the aggregate review site.
>metacritic
shitposting
got it, sorry for bumping
Where do you get your consensus from, Reddit?
Read OP again, the exact words, then come back to us.
See
, moron.
>moron
this response aged poorly, kek
16's user score is literally lower than 15's.
How? How did you miss why people are laughing at you?
anon, everyone in the thread already explained to you why that's moronic. user scores are only used for shitposting purposes on Ganker
User Scores are the only scores that matter. Who cares what journos think?
Metacritic has XV lower than 16, though, which is counter to what OP posted.
Not in user scores, the only score that matters.
anon, user scores are widely known to be useless on metacritic because it is always prone to shitpost reviews of people who haven't played, and even before release of games
The only time it's used on Ganker is purely for shitposting purposes
The user score that keeps rising because it's 2023 and people review bomb shit for fun during the first couple of days?
Review bombing is just a phrase corporations invented to cope and try to make it seem like only positive criticism is legitimate.
>user scores, the only score that matters.
hahha, for coordinated discord trannies, perhaps
it only takes one look, most 0s there are people who just made an account and don't really have other scores
>most 0s there are people who just made an account and don't really have other scores
Just goes to show how bad the game is, people who usually don't leave reviews felt the need to.
it's called "reviewbombing" sweatie
everyone can create an account and lie on the internet
you don't need a PS5 Ownership Certificate to post a poorly written review of a game you hate lmao
>poorly written review
Dunning Kruger effect wins again.
>The consensus here is that it's even worse than XIII and XV.
all the Barry shitposting =/= all of Ganker, Barry
The general consensus has been that XVI is amazing, what are you on about OP?
Did you respond to wrong post?
Are you trying to imply that an 88 is a bad score or that the user score is accurate to what people actually think and isn't people spamming 0/10 and 10/10?
Anything critical score below 90 is bad by Metacritic standards.
>terminally online chud incel posts metacritic score as real news
Lmao. It's the israelites down voting. Earth is flat and space is fake amirite?
MMOtrannies on denial
I don't play MMOs, the hell you on about? 16 isn't an MMO
>consensus
I guess my consensus image doesn't fit Ganker's narrative...alas.
>Not ending the last fight with Judgement Bolt invoking the name of the friend that put him on his path.
One job
If XVI was 15 hours long, it would be great.
Here again we're at the "RPGs must be 40 hours" waymark, and it's just so tiring.
Plot points that go nowhere, minibosses littered throughout to pad levels, FFXIV-tier sidequests.
It honestly feels like I'm playing Dragon's Dogma again.
No one is paying 70 dollars for a 15-hour game.
Well then here we are. Corridors and bad sidequests. Have fun.
I paid 600$ for the console and game today and liked it.
VtmB, which is approaching 20 years of age next year, is around 40 hours and each side quest is unique and memorable.
no the frick it is not
they’re comparing it to god of war LOL
Ganker does this with every new game like totk, re4r, elden ring. Are you a newbie?
>200 negative reviews
>all of them are 0s
>user score keeps going up
barrybros....... i don't.... feel.... so good......
>The consensus here
you mean your trooncer discord?
I SAYING THIS MANYH MANY TIME NOW PEOPLE LISTEN AND SEEING TRUTH... NEW FINAL FANTASY IS MOVIE FANTASY.... IT IS NOT GAMEING FANTASY ANDMYMORE, IT IS MOVIE FANTASY.... YOU WANT MOVIE GAEMING? THIS IS WHAT YOU GETTING.... WHEN YOU LEAVING THE GAMEING YOU R FINDING THE THINGS MAYBE YOU NOT LIKING... THE MOVIES.......
GIVE GAME.... NOT MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!
Ganker told me that XIV was awful, they were wrong
Ganker told me that Stray is a game for morons, they were wrong
Ganker told me that that FFVIIR is worse than the original in every single aspect, they were wrong
Ganker told me that MHR is only good as a coomer game after mods, they were wrong
Ganker told me that Death Stranding was just the "wow so d33p" last bowel movement of kojima, they were wrong
Ganker told me that MK11 is so bad, you'll wish you were playing MK deception, they were wrong
Ganker told me that Elden Ring was inferior to every other FromSoft game, they were wrong
Ganker told me that RE4:R was gonna be shit, they were wrong
Ganker told me that SF6 was going to be boring and pozzed, they were wrong
Ganker told me that TOTK was worse than BOTW, they were wrong
Ganker told me that GOW:R was garbage, they were wrong
I'm starting to se a pattern here
TOTK is worse than BOTW though.
FF7R is worse than the original in every aspect
Ganker only likes two games: Umineko which isn't even a fricking game, and Black Souls some RPG maker garbage porn game because it's edgy and distant from normies.
Can't say I agree with all of those but Ganker does have the absolute worst taste in games
>forum obsessed with le epic next big tortanic for thirteen (13) years is stuffed with mentally ill doomers
Welcome to 2010
I know it just released but any word on sales? I know companies love to shout from the mountaintops when a game breaks records
Wait for the weekly fantasy sales thread
Would the copies that sold with the ps5s be counted since they're digital vouchers?
>delay game for a year
>best part of the game is in the trailer
>one hand controller combat
>story lacks focus and drops shit half way through
>some how way more controversial than FF15
>FF14/16 defense force is naming everyone Barry
Welcome to the Final Final Fantasy, enjoy the last Final game in the series
One thing is clear, the next game with have about half the budget.
>between Final Fantasy 16 and Tears of the Kingdom I'm feeling more invigorated about our gaming future
Even Shill Up says it is bad.
>other than the entire game being good there's really nothing else here
The doesn't say its bad, he even explains why its not. It says he doesn't like it as the direction for a Final Fantasy, which is fair but also completely subjective.
ESL?
>A big step backwards
Not exactly glowing praise to begin your review with, anon.
ESL, gotcha.
I'll explain to you since you're struggling with English. He's talking about the franchise's direction, not the quality. He outright says its good, but for a Final Fantasy, he has different expectations.
>He outright says it's good
He spends the majority of the review politely calling it shit. You probably haven't played it, XIV homosexual.
>You probably haven't played it, XIV homosexual.
I never played XIV, what is with your obsession with that game? We're not even talking about it, nobody cares about an MMO.
Is that what this thread is about? People mad about an MMO just getting mad at a game in the same franchise that's NOT an MMO? I know Ganker's moronic sometimes, but that...
>I never played XIV
Nor XVI, homosexual.
That's your response for being called out for your weird XIV obsession when nobody was talking about it?
You obviously haven't played 16, you just got some weird bone to pick because of some genre nobody gives a shit about
>You obviously haven't played 16
I just met Uncle Byron and recently cut off Hugo's hands right before which Torgal went super saiyan. The game sucks and you're a homosexual. Any other wrong claims you want to make?
anon, you can't be this moronic to think this would work with what's been posted on Ganker
I own the game, anon. Do you? Where are you homosexuals coming from?
Quite the opposite, actually. From the director (YoshiP) to music producer (Soken), this game is made by the same guys behind XIV, except given free reign to do an actual action game. It shows:
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A couple of the mechanical features in this fight such as AOEs showing their area of effect on the ground before firing and attacks such as Demon Wall are liberally lifted from XIV. The erratic soundtrack that doesn't stick to classical for the whole series is also an XIV thing.
But nobody is talking about XIV. XVI is a single player game
So you're saying that I was right? It's weird MMO obsession that's making people upset at 16? I appreciate you showing that deduction to be correct at least
Yes. People who hate XIV are automatically hating XVI because of the team behind it, that is correct. Nomura/Kingdom Hearts fanboys occupy most of this population, if I were to throw a dart.
>ESL?
You certainly are.
>no u
good one, anon.
read the tweet again. slowly this time.
I did read the tweet. I also watched the review and own the game. Learn to pick up the subtext of what somebody is saying. "Besides X and Y, there's nothing here," is a nice way of telling a company that invites him to press events that their newest release isn't good. You fricking moron.
Okay, so you're just not particularly bright and don't understand English particularly well. Sorry anon, I'll move on.
>I'll move on
To the nearest library, hopefully. Start with the children's books.
you tried anon
I'll give you bonus points for being ESL, probably best you could do
>I'm moving on
>Actually
You can't read and you can't follow through on your claims. You also can't play XVI. Why are you here?
Because it's funny watching you dig your hole deeper. I like a laugh, sorry anon
A "you didn't play" just because you feel upset about my response doesn't make it true
If your next response is even 50% as funny as your last, this was worth
>this was worth
Start with the children's books.
thanks anon, you didn't disappoint
>you didn't disappoint
Thanks. Unfortunately XVI has and I'm struggling to continue.
Don't care
also you're black
I'm very racist, I just don't like cinematic games with no gameplay.
Clive slowly realizes slavery is wrong.
Racist if true. Slavery was a major part of Africa's economy. If it was a bad idea, it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did.
>It's important to note that slavery existed within Africa itself before the transatlantic slave trade. African kingdoms and societies practiced slavery, and slaves were often acquired through intertribal warfare or as a punishment for crimes. However, the transatlantic slave trade intensified and expanded the scale of African slavery. --gpt3
>Clive slowly coming to the realisation that slavery is bad is weird and uncomfortable
Did a woman write that review? Of course Clive knows that slavery is bad, because he was enslaved himself for 13 years.
>be born royalty in a society that practices slavery
>game shows you Clive feeling bad for the slave dude within the first thirty minutes
???
>expecting journos to pay attention to the games they are reviewing
ISHYGDDT
>says the game is good
>this means the game is bad
are shitposters really this desperate for complaints?
Where does he say it's good?
>impressive combat and cutscenes
>starts the review off by saying 90% of people are like the game and you shouldn't trust just his opinion because it's in the minority
...then proceeds to do nothing but criticize the game for 40 minutes.
Criticism that he himself states is a minority opinion
He said that to brace himself against the backlash of FF fans who haven't played it but are convinced it's good. Smart move. You're already seeing it here on Ganker. I've never seen so many anons who obviously haven't played the game defend it from the criticisms of people who have. I own it. I'm past the halfway mark. It sucks and isn't worth the 70 dollars I spent on it.
>anyone who disagrees with me must have not played
that's some childish thinking, anon
So you've played it?
yes, as has likely most of everyone that's responded to you
>yes
Where are you in the story? I'm hard pressed to believe anyone can delude themselves into thinking this game is good after the timeskip. Unless you absolutely love running back and forth in the Hideaway talking to Otto and Ninetales just to advance the story. God damn it's riveting stuff, can't wait to do it 50 more times.
>a lot of the criticism is bullshit
The game is too long for the little it offers and only gets worse the longer it goes on. Up until Cid'a death I was having a good time but accepting of the flaws. After the 2nd timeskip those flaws feel like the entire game. It was a fricking drag getting to Hugo, and the writing is awful.
>Shit! Somehow he captured Jill (lol)
>no just kidding Gav can turn invisible and break Clive, a high priority target, out of prison (LOL)
>well frick now we need a plan to save Jill!
>oh shit Torgal just went super saiyan!
>anyway....
But the fight itself with Hugo was great. All of the boss fights have been great. I just wish everything outside of that was even half as good.
anon, you're saying you're having difficulty understanding why another person's experience could possibly differ than your own experience?
that's far beyond an issue of a game discussion, that's a personal emotional and logical development problem. if you don't understand that another human being has different biases, preferences, and experiences that will affect their enjoyment of the same thing, that isn't something random Ganker posts can help you with.
>psuedo psychoanalyst acts like a homosexual
Sorry homosexual, I was talking about the game, get your mental issues worked out.
You literally went on how you couldn't understand how people could have a different experience with a game.
I'm sorry you got emotional over having your post pointed out to you. Hopefully you get that worked out, but again, not something Ganker can help you with.
>continues to pontificate
>doesn't know what "hard pressed" means
>YOU LITERALLY SAID
I'm not your fricking therapist, moron, save it for the people who pretend to care, holy shit. Please, motherfricker, just tell me where you are in the game. I don't care about your mental issues.
Anon, clearly talking about your mental issues, not anyone else's.
Stop having an outburst at everyone else because you're upset you were so accurately pointed out.
>Where are you in the game? I have a hard time believing you think it's a well done stoey after the 2nd timeskip where most criticisms agree the game starts to fall off
>anon, let me tell you about how my therapist helped me, I'm very interested in sucking my own dick and being an annoying homosexual
Do you even have the game you dumb fricking moron?
Yes. As has already been mentioned several posts earlier. It was later pointed how you mentioned being mentally incapable of comprehending others having a different experience than your personal own experience.
Good luck, anon.
>Yes
So where are you in the game, moron? Why do you keep avoiding this simple question?
anon, you're proving them correct wtf
>emotional outburst
>proving anon's assessment correct about not understanding other people experiencing the same thing differently
jesus dude
>If I pretend to be somebody else but write with in the same shittt way he won't know it's me hehe
So you don't have the game but feel the need to defend it. Got it.
okay schizo
Anon, I've played the game. Stop with the outbursts already, it's weird.
Work on yourself. This is honest to god becoming pathetic that you're raging this hard at having the mental incapability of understanding people experience things differently than yourself. You absolutely need to develop this understanding before you become an adult.
>Anon, I've played the game
>Played
Lol. So you're not playing it, you've "played" it. What was your favorite boss fight?
>the rest of this post
Not your therapist, moron, lonely though you are. Are you ever going to actually talk about the game?
I have. You ignored it. Also, you're reading too much into what tense is used.
Weird projection, but as you said, I'm not your therapist. I'm not going to help you work out your mental issues with not understanding different people experiencing things differently. You've been projecting about that aspect this entire thread for some reason, I can only assume due to your experiencing cognitive dissonance over the accurate assessment.
Not being a shit head here, I honestly do hope you get the help you need. if you stay like this as an adult, it will cause severe problems for you.
I'll let you have your last word since it seems you need that emotional closure. Good luck anon, truly.
>You ignored it.
Ignored what? You haven't said anything about the game.
>The rest of this attention starved post
Still not your therapist.
I apologize then because you do have actual complaints. You don't deserve to be lumped in with the anons whose only information of the game comes from metacritic and the leaks. If all the criticism on the game we're about the actual game, these threads would be much better.
I played the game, it's fun. A lot of the criticism is just bullshit like there's too many cutscenes in a final fantasy game, or the game didn't score over a 90 that means it's bad.
Skill Up literally says at the beginning of the video that he does not find FFXVI a good game what the frick are you smoking
Great, so the future of FF is going to be more Nomura multiverse homosexualry.
it's the music
show me a track from XVI that compares to either of these, I fricking dare you
Nobody complains about 15 for its music, FF generally always has amazing music. Other than at 15's end, where it sounds TOO much like Elder Scrolls' theme.
I'm talking about the thread topic moron
point out a song XVI has that compares
well obviously Uematsu mogs anything in XVI, I was trying to keep the gloves on
Gotcha, you're just a moron
other anons to have a discussion with
16 has better music than 15 so far, other than 15's battle music which is fantastic. But that's comparing great to great.
I've been in enough FF threads where this topic comes up, and it just goes back and forth with everyone saying their "examples are bad" because its all subjective.
>16 has better music than 15
Hell no. 15's music was the only good thing about it. 16 doesn't come close.
Like I said... I've been in enough FF threads to know this discussion is pointless. I very much disagree, we'll go ahead and leave this one alone.
At least pick good songs homosexual.
Final phase Bahamut eikon fight theme
I wouldn't say its bad. It completely uninspiring, which is amazing since Final Fantasy has always been the pioneer when it comes to the first entry on a new console.
Everything about it is just a downgrade from Final Fantasy 7 Remake. FF7R looks better, plays better. The characters and narrative from FF7R can range from stupid to batshit insane but FF16 is super safe by just being another boring ass Game of Thrones knockoff.
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is going to blow FF16 so goddamn hard no one will remember it.
>Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is going to blow FF16 so goddamn hard no one will remember it.
I know Squeenix are moronic but wtf were they thinking releasing this as a mainline FF? It's obviously not groundbreaking in any regard (other than in it's blatant disdain for longtime FF fans) and because of that is highly likely to do more harm than good to any future FF sales, Rebirth included.
FF 16 is another FF 15.
No kidding. Out of XIII, XV, and XVI I don't know how I'd rate them against each other but they're all in the same mediocre tier. Kinda regret buying a PS5 for this.
Hi, Barry.
Your parents bought the ps5, maybe ask them for a refund, underage-kun.
Combats pretty fun until you're fighting generic mob enemies like a spider or some shit for longer than you'd like. 8/10 game for sure cause it goes hard but when it isn't going hard its a bit boring. KH2 clears this game still as the best ARPG, the generic mobs are way more interesting to deal with than the generic mobs in FF16 unfortunately. Heartless and Nobodies go pretty hard and they all have fun designs and animations.
They got the DMC guy to make Clive play like Nero but forgot that those games also had mob enemies that requires some level of engagement as well.
Most mobs that have a yellow stagger bar have some engagement at least.
I’ve never played 13, 14, or 15 but I’m liking it as much as I liked 10 and 12 so I’d say things are going fine. Reminds me a lot of 10 actually. Music is top tier, the fight with Garuda was great.
Music is shit and you have bad taste I'm sorry. X is also shit but that actually had some memorable songs
Naw man the music that plays when you you’re at Martha’s rest is peak comfy. Take off the nostalgia goggles. Also isn’t 10 one of the most beloved in the franchise?
So far Skill Up is the only one to do an actual review of the game. I guarantee no one else has even fricking played it.
>Black folk desperately trying to prop up shillup after gaylo infinite and cyberpunk fiasco
>here
Full of shills and unpaid anti-shills of an even greater fervor. As if being a PS5 exclusive (temporarily (that is its own can of worms both ways)) wasn't enough, Final Fantasy is among the franchises hated by mods for having multiple threads at once while not being a Nintendo owned IP. Any hope for sincere conversation here is six feet below.
welcome to the hell that is being a monster hunter fan for the past 7 or so years
>Worse than two fairly decent games
Hm.
>What the frick went so wrong
it's not a JRPG
Barry won.
not really when he has to make a new anti xvi thread every hour to try and implant the thought that "xvi bad"
>game comes out
>mogs the new Zelda
>Ganker is a Nintendo-leaning board
>Ganker shits on the game
Use your head
i played totk to completion, and am currently playing xvi, they are both bad games but if I were forced to make a decision at the end of a gun I'd rather play totk at the end of the day. I'm just so utterly unenthused by xvi and it's systems that I'm considering using the journalist accessories just to get the entire thing over with. I never imagine it would come to this.
>they are both bad games
Post games you think are good, I need a good laugh.
i have three IRL friends who I can confirm have actually played the game and they're all loving it so I dunno.
what kind of games do those three friends like in general?
personally as someone who's played:
recent jrpgs:
Persona 5
Dragon Quest XI
Shin Megami Tensei V
Xenoblade 2
Yakuza 7
Octopath Traveler 2
recent action rpgs:
Nier Automata
NEO Twewy
Ys 8
Action RPGKino of the highest order:
Dragon's Dogma 2
Nioh 2
character action:
Bayonetta 2
Astral Chain
game XVI tried to be like and failed miserably:
God of War (2018)
all these games take a diarrhea dump on 16 as a VIDEO GAME, because so far it's a decent movie thanks to the presentation and performances. I'm not liking 16 at all, and who could when you have already played so many better games.
>Post games you think are good, I need a good laugh.
ok, read the first part of this post.
>Xenoblade 2
>DQ11
>SMT5
>Yakuza
>Octopath
>Dragon's Dogma...2?
>Nioh 2, the worst one
>God of War
All worse than FF16 and Zelda. You have putrid taste. Throw in New Vegas too, you edgy hipster homosexual.
lmao i meant Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, which is one of the best games of all time, literally top 5, next to Nioh 2. and nope I can say just something like Dragon Quest XI mogs both 16 and totk, it's pretty much one of the best jrpgs made in the past decade. I literally played all these games including TOTK, I know what I'm talking about.
>lmao i meant Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, which is one of the best games of all time
Dragon's Dogma wasn't even the best RPG released in 2012. Persona 4 absolutely skullfricks it, FE Awakening absolutely skullfricks it, Cave Story absolutely skullfricks it. PSO is the best RPG ever made and I'd barely put that into a top 5 list.
>I played all the games blah blah
So did I, your taste is awful. You're trying to appear "cool" on Ganker, how embarrassing.
>DQ11
>one of the best JRPGs
Maybe if it ended after act 1, it plummets below DQ8 and 9 because of how much it drags. Tales of Arise mogs DQ11.
>Tales of Arise mogs DQ11
pretty funny since I also played Tales of Arise and it was unredeemable dogshit that made me have to turn it down to the easiest setting and put everyone on AI just to finish it after that 2 hour exposition dump section where they kept going on about the renans dannons, the elements, whatever the frick else, which led into the dumbest fricking final dungeon ive ever seen in a jrpg with unavoidable fights with enemies that take 5 minutes to kill a piece. just a truly awful tales game.
>casual hates a game and thinks his opinion is worth anything
I guarantee you're playing FF16 (if you are at all, I don't believe you) with all the Timely accessories on.
>take 5 minutes to kill a piece
literal skill issue
and unironically moronic since you already put it on easy mode
Arise exposes homosexuals like you who only knows how to mash x.
Two of them play pretty much every normie Spooderman consoomer game on the planet while one's a huge weeb who plays all the anime and final fantasy games. When I say "I dunno" in my first post I actually mean it I'm not being facetious. I'm not buying a PS5 to play this shit so I likely won't be forming my own solid opinion for a while.
>Two of them play pretty much every normie Spooderman consoomer game on the planet
makes sense dude, 16 was made for the lowest common denominator gamer just like them, of course they like it. I am a discerning gamer, and 16 is falling flat for me.
If you weren't a disingenuous homosexual you'd know XVI plays more like nier from the combat, to the story, to the fields you run around in, to doing side quests
no it doesnt dude, Nier Automata is an actual good game with proper zones, and good feeling combat/gameplay and movement. I look back on it fondly and of course am using it as a comparison in regards to my current experience with 16, because all I remember is how much of a better game Automata is in comparison. I don't recall ever traipsing linear hallways to battle arena to the next hallway to battle arena in Nier, nor do I remember Nier having a shitty one-note combat system that just boils down to "break da will gauge, use cooldowns, repeat"
Nier's combat is mashier than FF16's. Like, by a lot.
It's worse, but also better because of how the level design services it.
9S' combat is just garbage through.
>proper zones
Half the places turned into shitty side scrollers dumbass. Linearity in it's highest form
all those sections were better in orders of magnitude vs walking down stairs to the next circle room of enemies in 16
I am playing 16 which is why im in this thread saying how shit it is in comparison to actual good games, and I am also considering using the accessories because the game sucks so bad. It has nothing to do with being a casual, I just want to get it over with using the path of least resistance. before Tales of Arise I've NEVER done something like that before. I never tune game difficulty or use cheats, but Arise broke me, and 16 is looking to break me once again. Again, like, I am pounding every enemy's shit in, it's just fricking boring and I'll get the same thing out of the game just holding square to see the next cutscene. Absolutely crazy talk in any other sense.
Nier automata has the same exact trash mob fights in a semi open area with room to pull off bigger combos whenever, the basic side quests with meaningful dialogue, the cutscenes, and the change in gameplay. Honestly this game is reminding me of automata a lot but much better spectacle. Clive is also a better main character.
>Persona 5
I will never understand how people defend this game.
its the benchmark for turn-based jrpgs going forward, anything less fluid is just lazy
It seems though people played Persona for the character interactions and are almost willing to skip the combat entirely just to get to their dialog boxes which is strange. Could this be why 15's battle system stuck out?
>Fluid
It's just a well presented menu. The actual combat balance and encounter design is fricking awful. The dungeons suck. The story is terrible. The sidequests are miserable.
It's a bad game with great presentation that jerks the player off constantly, so it's SO COOL AMAZING WOOOAH to morons.
>It's a bad game with great presentation that jerks the player off constantly, so it's SO COOL AMAZING WOOOAH to morons.
damn, sounds like FF16
I don't think the player watching a child get ripped apart is as satisfying as LOOKIN COOK JOKER.
tbh I do agree that calling Persona games RPGs is dumb. They’re unironically visual novels. The dungeons are like 10% of the game since they can be beaten in a single day and the rest of the days are spent doing social links.
The problem is it's a bad VN. The writing is miserable. What it's trying to do is great, but Atlus has been coasting off P3 for decades now.
homosexuals here used to shit on it back when it was a PS exclusive and how it was babbys first jrpg. Now it's being used to try to shit on another PS exclusives lmao
I don't really care I'm just really amused by the whiplash from the demo to now, people were claiming its the greatest game ever made and now its a blunder the likes of XIII
It's good and Ganker is a homosexual like usual
Because the demo is a good introduction.
>The consensus here
The only consensus on Ganker is that New Vegas is the best of the modern Fallout games
>it's ok at best
>gives a 0
this is why people don't take comunity score serious anymore
i expected a review bombing, but these morons can't even make them subtle
>best spectacle I've seen since GOW 3
Lol
Holy kek. I also love how all the secondaries are outing themselves as flies on a turd because their button mashing tardbrains can finally grasp a FF game. They're standing there gloating about it, thinking that old fans are unhappy purely because it's now an action game and not because it's another disappointing Final Fantasy entry that plays like any other westernslop.
He's not wrong in that sense, it is genuinely pretty great spectacle.
If setpieces is all you want out of your games, I guess I can see how you'd rate this a 10/10.
XIII wasn't even a bad game. XII was worse
XIII was fricking awful by every metric except for it having pretty graphix for the time.
Filtered. By your dumb post I can understand why you'd prefer a a hack and slash game with zero depth to something where you have to constantly manage a party and change strategies on the fly depending on the situation
>manage a part
You mean >set up autobattle AI routines for two party members that you flick between while only actually controlling one character?
>change strategies on the fly
Yes, like "Do COM RAV RAV RAV to build the stagger gauge then COM COM COM to score damage once the gauge fills up" that works in 90 percent of the battles in the main game? Black person I played through XIII three separate times and the game sucked wiener.
>the random encounters in a jrpg are easy only the bosses require strategy
yeah no shit troony. Any other genius insight to share in a futile attempt to defend your button mashing game?
That's not what I said at all dumb frick. And that shit's the optimal DPS comp on pretty much every fight except the few that basically require a SEN and the occasional quick flick over to MEDs for some heals. Also I'm not even defending XVI here, I'm just calling XIII shit because it's fricking shit. This isn't even getting in the fricking awful characters, the fact that literally 90 percent of the game's plot is entirely pointless because you just end up doing exactly what the bad guy wanted anyway andyou get Deus Ex Machina'd out at the end through absolutely no merit of your own, ultra cringe shit like MOMS ARE TOUGH or CODE RED NO CODE BLUE NO CODE WHITE. You're not talking to somebody who didn't give the game every chance to be good here, I wanted to like XIII so much I played through it multiple times trying to like it and just frickin didn't.
Everyone needs to apologize to Barry.
But XV scored lower than XVI
Not in user reviews, which are the important ones. Users buy games, critics don't.
>metacritic user reviews
>important ones
kek, hi barry
Barry-sama I kneel, please bomb the Square Enix Shinjuku offices already and take away with you the people who made this horrible game.
The main problems is that square enix keeps following this idea that easy as frick and not needing to think=more sales, when that is barely true at all specially for this kind of game now days.
The game also feels like from the ps3 era with constant cutscene hard cuts and the main story is annoyingly padded with bullshit, every time you get to the good part you always need to do first some random shit for a npc and it's not precisely short.
And the story has the same problem as the ones Matsuno does, great on paper but everything feels dry and under developed when they execute them.
Still the best one since 10 and frick it's spectacular, fun and has some genuine great moments, but yeah, it could have been way better, specially with how good the material is.
They should ditch the crystal tools shit and go with ue5 next, Yoshida, you can't spend 7 years on this.
Journos are literally submitting "the game is good in every way except there's no blacks so it's a 6/10" and we're meant to take the scores seriously?
You knew it was gonna happen. Yoshida pissed them off with his answers and ignoring every follow-up attempt to get him to reply.
Bait
What is Yoshi Ps obsession with killing the franchise? He doesn't seem to love the old colorful FF games and has an obsession with western shit. He should not be directing or producing a mainline FF
Because he's a Matsuno fanboy and Matsuno's Ivalice trash has always been more western oriented and dry with psuedo political bullshit that amounts to absolutely nothing in the end. Matsuno shit postures as a serious game of chess only for the opponent to flip the board at the end and expose its flapping ayylmao/demonic penis
Why are they so mad?
>fight against your dark side like in FFIV
>kino music
>devil trigger is introduced
>"press L3+R3 to accept the truth"
Black person, Im having a blast
You're still in the good part, anon. Enjoy it. Just like real life, it goes to shit in your 30s.
Because aliens? I dont care, game is fun
>Because aliens?
Because the pacing drags to a halt and you'll be doing dumb bullshit for most of the game. Everything up until the 2nd timeskip is good. Then, abruptly, it isn't.
We'll see. Im willing to go through it just for NG+ though
Where is 16 in the Ivalice timeline? I'm thinking it's closer to FFT than 12 because Airships seem to not be very common at all.
It's not set in Ivalice, it just steals from it like it steals from everything else. Classic FF summons do not appear in Ivalice.
>Classic FF summons do not appear in Ivalice.
What?
They do, have you even played FFT?
As story elements they don't, that role is always the Zodiac. I remember you get summoner in tactics but I don't recall any of the classic summons being mentioned in the plot at all. Same for FFXII and Vagrant Story.
What say you morons?
https://twitter.com/joshua_cotts/status/1672305776398835724
The sidequests are MMO-tier. Not surprising, I suppose.
did i miss something or does it get explained later
but where the frick did torgal come from when Cid saves jill/clive
he justs appears? and clive is like oh 13 years later i recognize this puppy thats now a huge wolf
clearly youre lacking in media literacy
all ive gotten to so far in the story is
Cid says hes been taking care of him, that is a coincidence but sure makes sense
but how does clive recognize him
It's not a coincidence. Cid knows exactly who Clive is and works for an escaped slave safe haven/spy network. He immediately tries to recruit Clive. Why the frick do you think the dog is there?
>The consensus here is that it's even worse than XIII and XV.
No, but there is one dedicated autist trying to insist that it is
>MGS5
>DmC
>RE4 Remake
>RE2 Remake
>Dead Space 2
>Lost Odyssey
>Death Stranding
>Darkest Dungeon
>Bioshock
>Mass Effect 2
>Witcher 3
>Elden Ring
>Dark Souls 2
>Mario Odyssey
>Forza Horizon 4 and 5
>Gran Turismo 7
>Diablo 4
>Street Fighter 5 and 6
>Mortal Kombat 11
>Resident Evil 8
>Wo Long
>Furi
>Doom Eternal
>Ruiner
>ZOE 2
All masterpieces that Ganker said was bad which I loved. Guess I can toss FF16 onto the list.
Ring
>>MGS5
these are the most baffling to me
i'm almost sure that Ganker said that Sekiro was bad as well
>ZOE 2
Bro what
What do you think of this, Ganker?
check the user reviews
like 30% of them are barry giving 0s
both are good games, but 7R has blacks and it's a remake of one of the best games ever made
I actually slightly like 7R's combat better, even though I'm enjoying 16. If we could take 7R's combat, and take 16's action combat style of actually having your hits feel like their hitting/enemy's actually recoiling from hits, we'd have a 9/10 or 10/10 combat system.
I understand that's an action game thing more specifically, but the fact that 16 is using it is nice. Feels weird in 7R for there being basically zero response from the enemy getting hit by a giant-ass sword.
FFXVI with character-switching would've been awesome. Imagine Jill or Cid tagging in and using their own eikon skills
From what i understand, xvi isn’t a bad game, but its a bad final fantasy.
It's not a bad Final Fantasy, though. Or I suppose a more accurate thing to say is "people have different opinions on what makes a Final Fantasy". To be fair, that's largely Square's fault for using the same franchise to be so dramatically different from game to game, so of course large groups of people are not going to agree.
I hate that most of Ganker doesn't understand that a game being a good X doesn't mean it's a good Y is an entirely valid opinion for games.
no it's not play better games tard
I hated this argument when zoomers started repeating it about RE4, and I hate this argument here now. Yes, it IS a bad game.
What makes it a bad game? Is it one element of the game, or all of them mesh into one another. The gameplay feels pretty good even if it is on the easy side. I can’t really say if the story is bad yet, since I haven’t finished it, but it seems inoffensive at the bare minimum.
I haven't played it, because I did not fall for the marketing and buy a PS5 for it like many of you poor, lost souls. I'm just going by what I've seen, and the general consensus of players on multiple sites. The consensus seems to be that it is shit, disappointing, with a bad story told badly, and boring combat with 0 depth, padded sidequests, troony ayy lmaos and gays. No thanks. Bad game. That's why. YWNBGameofthrones
I bought it for Demon's Souls. I would've waited the year/year and a half for it to come to PC otherwise, but got it since I have a PS5 already anyway.
I get that. I'll buy a ps5 when the pro comes out in like a year, IF it has games on it by then. Unfortunately it won't.
I didn't get my ps5 for xvi, I just tried the demo on a whim and liked the combat. So far the story hasn’t fallen apart yet, but I can see tyour point about the GoT narrative. Funny thing is it feels more like window dressing than anything. Its still you’re predictable jrpg story at its core, at least it is so far.
It's medieval Naruto but edgier. Even the main villain can be compared to Kaguya.
>A bad FF
And what exactly in your eyes constitutes a good "Final Fantasy"? FF is known for being a series that wildly changes between each game and a lot of the things that the series is known and associated with didn't originate in the first game.
Let's first define FF.
>Final Fantasy is a series by Squaresoft (now Square Enix) best described as a ragtag group of unlikely heroes learning about their world and their place in it. Personal growth stories. Crystals also play a role in these stories as small as in FFII with the Crystal Rod, or as large as FFXV and FFXIII where crystals define what characters can and can't do. Though not every unlikely hero is playable, their growth takes center stage in both gameplay and story, which is why you have Jobs, character classes, and changes in ability acquisition systems every entry or so. Combat systems also tend to differ from entry to entry. Games also use physical appearance to show that strong changes in character have taken place for certain characters, like Kain in IV and The After Years, Garnet in FFIX, and the l'Cie brand system in FFXIII. No matter what the worlds look like, there is always a mix of magic and technology influencing the setting.
>Now there are two 'main' strands of Final Fantasy games.
>Games by Kitase and his people (Nomura, Toriyama) strongly focus on interactions within the player party, and by seeing characters develop, you learn more about the world and the events that go on in it. Characters tend to drive the plot as a result and by uncovering themselves do story events move forward leading to many plot twists and turns. as is the case in the XIII 'Lightning Saga' trilogy. These give these games strong emotional impact, which is what X is especially known for.
>Games by Matsuno and his people (Yoshida, Maehiro) instead focus more on warring factions affecting the player party, and characters develop separately from lore. In these games, characters act in response to political intrigue with long in-game history, which what drives the plot. You also get some commentary here too, like with the Yugoslav Wars and Square company culture as in Tactics, or even some nation building in response to migrant diasporas in XIV.
I don’t really get it either. I just keep seeing that people are having issues with the game, but I haven’t really had any glaring issues with it.
7R was sub-90? From reading the posts here, I thought it was the superior game in every way and the best one since 10.
And FF7R is still incomplete with more on the way. I'd bet by the time the remake is fully complete it will be a 95.
Its good. Youd know if you actually played it and not just worship ecelebrities
>check the user reviews
>Its nothing but 10s and 0s from barry
>almost nothing in between
So the average is 5/10. Seems accurate.
The average would be N/A since it's all review bombing on both sides.
>most of the accounts have only one review on them
>it's for FFXVI
Not suspicious at all...
there was one with TWO reviews
the other one was TOKT lmao
We truly live in a time of mental illness. What caused all this autism?
The internet. The internet is what happened.
Giving the world the ability to converse with other like minded individuals that won't reprimand them for acting and being a genetic deadend.
Is Bazzy obsessed enough to create a shitload of socks on Metacritic just to review bomb games he doesn't like?
Someone is obsessed enough to make multiple Discord servers just to orchestrate shitpost raids with forced memes, BBC posting, and bad attempts of pitting two completely unrelated demographics against each other.
Iirc he has literal hundreds of forum accounts. Nevermind how frequently and successfully he ban evades here, and squirrels around large range bans even
yeah he's literally every IP on square enix threads
including this post
barry is in this room right now
always
and forever
BAARRRYYYYYYY WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I FRICKING LOVE BARRYPOSTING
BAAARRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>Have a variety of options
>morons gravitate to the boring options and cry about a lack of depth
>doesn't give any examples of non-boring options
Personally, I like using will o wisps. The game sucks btw.
this is how you know that Miyazaki was right on not putting Easy Mode on Sekiro.
You'll see people shitting on the game for being too easy for a soulsborne tittle
>options are all which ability you want to use
>abilities are all the same because the game has no elemental damage or status effects. just different animations
so no depth at all
Correct. Welcome to the new age!
>Elements
I like the series but FF is extremely boring and lazy with elemental options. Its literally just use whatever the enemy is weak to and then all of the relevant endgame bosses are neutral or resistant to everything so it doesn't fricking matter.
>Status Effects
In the same series that's notorious for the meme of statuses are a waste of time against mooks and worthless against bosses? You'd have an easier time listing the games where statuses were worth a damn against bosses.
Anon? Even RE4 had secret boss weaknesses.
This post is the definition of cope. You are defending less variety and mechanics in battles and should take a long hard look in the mirror and reflect before you kys.
After you homosexual. FF's implemention has always been lacking compared to other series in both the turn based and action based combat.
>Status Effects
>Malboro hits me with bad breath
>Nothing happens
>Elemental Weaknesses
>You can kill bombs with fire based attacks
GAY
>shiva abilities freeze enemies
>titan abilities can be charged up for massive DMG so they're best to use after a stagger
>ramuh has a shot lock that targets all enemies
>garuda can launch enemies up and help keep them up there
Frick off
Barry pulling overtime on damage control I see.
>people are complaining about giving stew to three people for your first side quest
Lol do you homosexuals really
I honestly knew it was a red flag when a game from a gacha studio had much better combat.
FFXVI combat looks really stiff compared to this game, and you can only play as Clive. I honestly miss using different party members.
The combat in FFXVI is nothing like DMC or Dragon's Dogma, it lacks a lot of depth. And the side quests are bad bad.
>relink
isn't that vaporware?
Apparently it's coming out this year. They are even showing a demo at the Anime Expo.
I am playing it and its literally DMC with a FF story
I dont get whats wrong with this
I am startiong to think that every bad review is from people who cant leave the turn based gameplay behind
Anon, the one thing that fixes this isn't being turn-based, it's Character Switching, and a more Party-dynamic in terms of battle system.
SO and Tales of already excel at this so I don't know why they wouldn't just use a similar system. It's not like they are trying to be super unique with their gameplay or story here.
FF devs know they can't match SO or Tales games when it comes to action gameplay so they don't try.
>game comes out
>it's a fricking masterpiece, word of mouth is largely positive, selling gangbusters and amassing a huge following on streaming sites
>Ganker hates it
Surprise! Spoiler for the newbies and summergays: the same thing is going to happen with Starfield and Spider-Man 2.
>selling gangbusters
lol. You can trick the ecelebs into parroting you but you can't fake sales numbers
It's literally sold out on Amazon. Deliveries are pushed out until July 11th.
>not sold out at all
>only somewhere between 4000 and 5000 sales on amazon in it's launch week
AHAHAHAHA
Holy crap, Final Fantasy is finished.
I saw it with RE4
But memory is fragile
Of course, this place spammed the Crowbcat video to try and sway fencesitters from discussing the game or jumping in. It was pathetic.
The seething about that video was the funniest shit about the RE4 launch. He was absolutely right.
There is no “consensus” and it’s obvious that there’s being a narrative pushed by people who haven’t played the game. Look how much they’re using ~~*Schrier*~~ and that Nintendie on about Xenoblade as gospel.
Do you really think anyone here is going to care about the next Marvel goyslop game except for shitposting about Black folk?
as opposed to the narrative being pushed by shills and their constant barry posting to derail legitimate criticism?
there's been maybe 2-3 legitimate criticisms in the thread, the others are largely shitposts.
that's the problem Ganker. it's difficult to have legitimate discussions of any games
On one hand you have shills that come out like clockwork about a month before a game releases and flood every single thread, then leave as soon as it hits the bump limit. On the other hand you have shitposters who come in to go to war with the shills, on the other hand you have people who pre ordered the game and are trying to convince themselves they dont have buyers remorse, on the other hand you have people who want to have legitimate discussion about the game. Such is life.
I have 2 complaints about FF16 that I feel very strongly about, but otherwise I think it's fantastic.
You’d have to be insane to think that that everyone shitposting about FF16 has played it. Can you really say that all the hyperbole, constant doomposting and referring to reviewers like Schrier and outlets who docked points for no Black folk is what someone who could form their own opinion would do? This was happening before the game came out too. I want to see someone rationalise this as not some effort to rubbish the game in the public eye.
You can play it on youtube bro
Negative criticism is the only criticism you can ever trust as being legitimate. No competing rpg is paying for a hate campaign of the game. The fact is, being a (timed) ps5 exclusive and being a GoT and DMC knock-off pissed a lot of people off. Which is why people shit on it so much before release. They were vindicated when it actually came out btw.
Yeah I cancelled my preorder about a month ago, worried about the evil theming and references they seemed to put out (Devilman, AoT, shlocky GoT stuff). Since I've predicted/manifested XVI into sucking it is now my duty to manifest it into flopping as well.
I didn't expect it to be THIS bad is all. But that's good since it means no real human being ever actually liked the story.
I'm just happy to see that even redditors think it's mediocre. I really didn't expect that.
trooncer alert
A lot of this stuff really reads as schizos going hard. If you say something enough it becomes true, especially since most people aren’t getting the game. Constantly shitting on the game will encourage others to do it too to fit in so you end up with people feeling ashamed for liking it because it goes against the “consensus” which wasn’t formed naturally, only by people who wanted it to fail (it won’t btw)
It will, but they will pretend it didn't.
Fricking look at schizos like
. They’re bound to say it’ll have failed no matter what.
I don't know why you even care if it fails commercially or not. The only thing you as a consumer should give a frick about is whether it's good or not, and everyone is giving it a resounding "meh"
No they aren’t, they’re giving it all the hyperbole their crazed minds can come up with. I do not own a PS5 and I would otherwise have no interest in playing this but seeing this makes me want to get one because it must be good if it’s generating this much seethe. I also feel compelled to defend its honour because it’s being undeservedly shat on.
You know what, you should. Set your money on fire if you want anon, no one cares.
>I also feel compelled to defend its honour
ok actually just kys
>XVIsissy has been projecting on the board all day
Should've released it on PC day one then. Sucks for them.
I've been griping with the game here instead of playing it. I just sat down to play it for 3 hours and while i still have annoyances, it's really solid. the combat is very fun if you know what you're doing. it could be deeper but people who say it's brainless are coping.
Here we have a shill shifting tactics
tactics is a good game.
It's not worse than XIII
If anything its combat saves it from being that bad but it shares a lot of XIII's other structural issues
>story is basically a hallway; side quests amount to glorified mini-bosses and nothing else
>gameplay doesn't really open up until a fair bit into the game
>a frick ton of cutscenes in the main story without any interesting side content to balance it out
To be fair it certainly helps that the combat is seamless which helps create immersion. I remember someone said seamless combat could have saved Lightning Returns.
>You can now hit bombs with Fire-based attacks
Who signed off on this?
It feels odd, doesn't it? I at least expected their corpse to explode but nah. Nothing.
Do you want half of Clive's moveset to be worthless against Bombs because he doesn't get a third Eikon until like a third of the way into the game?
I think people just want the game to be challenging and battles to be different based on what you're fighting but what do I know?
Anon, this was why you avoided Elementals early game in FFXII.
FF12 is also not a linear hallway action combat so you have the option to avoid targets.
if it was a proper jrpg with a good combat system and party members, jill would have taken care of them for you.
Yeah, Imagine how much the game would be better if instead of Clive being LE SPECIAL, he's just the same as the others, and the other dominants can be party members.
I agree that you don't need the Turn-based battle system, but you still need to differenciate. Adding party mechanics to FFXVI was a no-brainer, but Yoshi-P didn't want complexity, he wanted normiebux.
I'd rather they have put more thought into how you approach enemies. Every enemy is essentially the same due to this decision.
No you should be able to switch characters so Jill and Torgal can take out those enemies.
>it's shit uh, because it's shit
The best FF game is FFV because of the job system. FF to me is defined by:
>The Job system
Black Mages, Red Mages, Dragoons, mmmm inject that shit into my veins
>the "Chocobos and Moogles" fantassy aesthetic
Series staples like the summons, Cid, Gligamesh, airships named Enterpries, ect. all that shit. The more of this the better too
>good main characters
People often confuse this with having a good story but that's not the case. Returning to my FFV example, the actual plot of FFV is pretty barebones but the characters are all pretty fun, and thus the game earns high marks from me.. Shit like the story is very low on the list of reasons why I like an FF game because frankly the majority of FF stories are pretty barebones shit.
FFV is the worst to me because the story tries to be funny every 30 seconds and the characters are all "le quirky comic relief".
You did not play FF5.
>dude what if you died, but the phoenix down didn't revive you? lol so wacky and randum!
Phoenix down never revived the dead. It cured the Down status.
Is that a... A CHARACTER SPEAKING CASUALLY? AIIIIEEEEEE SAVE ME GEORGE R.R. MARTIN
Acquire taste, degenerate. FFV's writing is worse than every game in the series besides 1 and 3
This but unironically. Dialogue is not for video games. It's for visual novels.
Bro that's like the one serious moment in the entire game. Plus it's literally just a rehash of Tellah dying to Golbez in 4.
>Plus it's literally just a rehash of Tellah dying to Golbez in 4.
'cept it doesn't have the narrative impact of a fricking wet fart when FF5 does it
the best FF game is actually FFT, it has all of that and more, as well as a banger OST, great story and characters, just absolutely kino heights that square will never ever reach again.
>great story and characters
Characters barely talk and each of them only do few things in the plot. And that's a good thing because when fleshed out Matsuno's writing become FFXII
Agreed, did you play the psp version? I’ve only played the original but if war of lions is good I may replay it that way. Honestly I just want a speed up button.
yeah I played the original when it was relevant on the PS1 and also the PSP version. I'll be honest I was rubbed the wrong way by the rewritten script and the voice acting in the PSP version. I understand why they did it but anyway, without getting into that whole thing, it's rumored they are working on another remake of FFT (it was on the big nvidia leak list), so maybe you should wait for that.
I prefer FFIV over FFV. FFV feels too much like they're copying dragon quest
The first actual achievement in the series is VI and anyone who says different is just moronic.
What in the absolute frick do you mean by copying Dragon Quest
The job system anon. The job system.
Other way around dummy.
FF3 was the first FF with a job system. FF5 is a more refined version of 3.
ok, and what is the first dragon quest with a job system, and which came out first?
My understanding was that DQ6 was the first with a changeable vocation system, but I'm happy to be shown to be mistaken on that if I am. Before that as far as I'm aware, they were set per character.
DQ6 was 1995.
FF3 was 1990.
I think it was IV maybe but I don't remember because it's been years.
>FF3 was the first FF with a job system.
No that's FF1 you moron.
FF1 was basically an AD&D game and had an inflexible class system, you chose one at the start and that was it, have to visit Bahamut to upgrade your class inherently. FF3 was the one that began letting you change your class outright.
Inflexible class system but a class system nonetheless.
Right, but that's not what people actually mean by Job System, they mean free change between them with some flexibility in regards to "subjobs," or learned abilities from each class that you can apply to other jobs which FF5 first came up with. FFXIV would be the most recent numbered Final Fantasy title to be considered to have a Job System, Stranger of Paradise would be the most recent spinoff or non-numbered title to have one.
>No that's FF1 you moron.
Anon, I see why you'd get confused, but when people are talking about "a job system", they're talking about the ability for the same character to switch jobs/classes. FF1 had static classes, but you could select which ones at party creation. Not sure why you're super hostile about it, though.
FF1 was largely a JRPG take on Dungeons and Dragons, so much so that the western release had to remove a sprite that was a straight up copy of a Beholder.
>FF1 was largely a JRPG take on Dungeons and Dragons, so much so that the western release had to remove a sprite that was a straight up copy of a Beholder.
so much so that even FFXV had mindflayers as enemies.
>so much so that even FFXV had mindflayers as enemies.
Which is super interesting to me. Is it just the term "illithid" that would cause an issue, but "mindflayer" gets a pass? Because tabletop stuff seems to avoid use of the mindflayer entirely if its not directly a WotC product.
Iunno. The mindflayers in DnD are derivative of Cthulhu stuff, so that's probably how it gets by.
Different mediums. If they were releasing a tabletop game it'd probably be an issue. FFT had mindflayers as an enemy too irrc.
The job system and the tone of the game
>FINAL FANTASY
>copied DRAGON QUEST'S job system
>posts a game released two years after dragon quest III
Huh? DQ3 is Hero + 3 chosen classes.
The first DQ game with a job system comparable to FF5's would be 6.
While the thread is dying I'll post an oldgay gripe.
>lights a cigarillo
>pulls twice and puts it out
Nobody who smokes has ever done this in the history of mankind.
the consensus is that it's almost as good as dmcv.
>but le real ff
ff died when the snes games introduced the active time bar bullshit
if they are not going to give me a proper turn based game like ff1 and dragon quest, might as well go full action for all i care
also, clive is arguably one of the best main characters in the franchise
>the consensus is that it's almost as good as dmcv.
what.
>0/10!!!
>ripped off the crystal sucking the aether plot from tales of vesperia
>ripped off politics from game of thrones
>ripped off the final act from naruto
>ending reveals literally nothing happened, it was all a fairy tale
None of those things were original when they came out zoom zoom.
videogamedunkey said the game is shit and the combat isn't funny, and how much more he prefered 15. its over ff16 losers.
Dunkey just likes games that are light on plot and aren't very serious. FF15 is one of them, and zoomers liked the game for the same reason too.
Isn't that why Dunkey pretty much doesn't like Japanese games at all
Nobody said he wasn't a colossal homosexual
Keep Saying It
I'm like 90% sure at this point this cuck homosexual is a freemason, but unfortunately he's the only youtuber I think is funny. Only on his streams though, not his actual videos.
>It's okay when a MMO does it
Should have just made a pre-order bonus costume in XIV to thwart the trolls
yoshitpiss forgot to make an RPG
>reuses the benedikta boss theme like 10 times
why
as a big vidya ost fan it hurt me to see him reusing music for the big set pieces
i know it changes music during eikon fights but some of the best battles are as clive vs the human dominant
The only way
>pic related
can defeat the naysayer is to come out with great sales numbers. Since Horizon forbidden west sold like 8 million copies (no joke look it up) and basically nobody was streaming/playing it I got a feeling ff16 got a good chance at obtaining extremely good sales numbers, which will end up making the next ff game action combat.
He doesn't have to defeat naysayers, the naysayers do all his work for him. They can't shut up about him.
its a ff game of course it will sell well. expecting a life time sales of 15-20 million because of it being bundle with ps5.
Not unless SMRPG outsells it.
SMRPG is legitimately one of the best video games of all time so losing to it should be seen as shameful if it does happen
>making the next ff game action combat
If it this does really well, I wouldn't count that as a definitive thing. Square has always toyed around with the combat depending on the team in charge of the particular game.
Unless it does like Breath of the Wild sales numbers, in which case yeah, they might start making an exception and keep it largely the same. As much as I love 16 and it seems to be doing well, I just do not see a world where 16 will get to BotW numbers, those were just damn insane.
16 is plot heavy, Zelda seems to have the maximum amount of story that the mainstream audience seems to tolerate. It probably won't sell as high as TotK or BotW for this reason but I do think it will still sell high.
Wonder what it will take for casuals to like FF again
I unironically think the continue use of numbers is a hinderance. People will see "16" and think "I never played one of these before, I won't have a clue what's going on". And I know, that's a weird thing to think, but I've seen it so often in other places.
At some point they need to think about dropping that sacred cow, which knowing the FF fandom, will cause them to get enraged even further. Can't really appease casuals and long-time fans at the same time it seems.
Was FF ever a casual franchise? Jarpigs always seemed like a genre geared more towards enthusiasts than people who just wanna mash buttons and shit.
>Was FF ever a casual franchise?
FF7, actually. And it was largely a combination of them going more cinematic and very effective Western marketing in places you wouldn't normally advertise a JRPG. It was getting regularly playtime during MTV primetime shows, which back then, had a huge influence on what kids were getting.
Square has been chasing that FF7 high for decades. I actually think that's a big inspiration in them going a bit more "edgy" in 16, even if they point GoT, because 7 was a bit more edgy than typical FFs before it (largely as a response to Nintendo previously heavily censoring what developers could put in their video games)
it is bombing everywhere
>only sold 4k in the us on Amazon in launch week
and japan fricking hates it
even 300k is iffy and thats already terrible
>and japan fricking hates it
https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2023/06/23/japanese-fans-react-to-western-policorre-final-fantasy-xvi-reviews/
they don't
>sankaku
post invalidated
it literally has a fricking 3.2 on amazon japan
>post invalidated
say who? the voices in your head?
3.6* based on 30 ratings
Will you commit sepuku when it reaches 4?
And it literally was released yesterday, most people will finish the fame frst before giving an actual opinion
yeah sadly, I can see the game getting great life time sales thanks to it being on ps5 and being early in the generation. we still got 5 year more ps5.
Here's what is missing from Final Fantasy now: Originality and passion. It is clearly just focus grouped and built from the ground up to sell with no focus whatsoever on artistic vision now and it's obvious. It's literally the definition of soulless, and surprise, people don't like it. however, marketing works.
The thing is if they were gonna copy shit they should've copied more than the combat. They aped witcher 3 as well but only on a superficial level.
Post timeskip clive could've been something like witcher 3 in terms of structure. a big issue that people have with the game is that it's just cutscenes. but add a couple of dialogue options and normies' lizard brains will consider that gameplay. I also think agency in the questing like witcher 3 would've fleshed out the world more than just straight short stories.
They are SE after all. It wouldn't be right if they didn't half ass it and approach it in a distinctly cynical and israeli fashion.
This is my biggest complaint. They desperately copied so many other popular things without ever leaning in on any one aspect and giving us something to really get stuck into so the whole thing just reeks of superficial marketting homosexualry.
I don't have a ps5 so I'm waiting but this game looks really good. You guys are gays.
Am I going insane? Wasn't this thread past bump limit?
auto torgal or no?
torgal's much better and much less annoying if you're the one commanding him
on your first playthrough you don't even really need to order him around unless you want him to cast cure on you
Or if you want to, you know, do even more damage and combos so fights end even faster.
Anyone else think square kind of dodged a bullet with the whole no POC thing? Even in the demo within the first half hour the racial undertones are set up and during the first half just about every quest NPC is basically calling you the n-word ad nauseum, so what if it works out better that way. Either a calculated move or stumbled passed awkward territory accidently.
There literally are brown people though. Hugo and the Dhalmeks are very clearly brown people. So there are browns but no blacks.
They traded mandatory inclusion of black people for mandatory inclusion of gays and troony aliens and released it during pride month.
>general consensus in a place where 95% of schizos haven't played it
“Eurogamer that gave it a 60 wasn’t playing FF, they were playing a game of finding black people lmao."
Lmao this one time japs are based
proof journalists don't finish the games they "review"
It's shit
Todd won
I've seen people say it shits all over 13 and 15, but hey, whatever fits your narrative I guess.
MMO cultists aren't people.
>everyone who disagrees with me is in cult
literal schizophrenia
also most xiv players don't care about this game
go to /xivg/ for proof of that
>getting review bombed by mustards xbots sjws and the usual schizos
kino game
LMAO
user score is a fricking joke
oh yeah forgot to mention poorgay third-worlders
>mfw its impossible to gauge non-journogay reviews due to console homosexualry
square's own fault
I’m not into critic score debates but why the frick do websites allow shit like this?
>sjws
>gaysex
>xbots don't exist nobody has xbox
>xbots are review bombing
>mustards
>implying majority mustards give a frick about this blink and you'd miss it release
some games are just mediocre anon, ff will always be compared to every previous iteration and unfortunately it's decidedly average
yeah anon im sure over 700 have already finished this game that only just came out and reviews like
and
are completely legitimate
It hasn't even been out long enough for 99% of the public to have reached the second half the game, the point where the story supposedly falls off, yet many of the 0 reviews on metacritic mention that.
I think we're at the point in the console cycle where any exclusive game is review bombed by people bitter than they can't play it.
S-tier: 9, 7, 4, 10
A-tier: 5, 6, Lost Odyssey
B-tier: Blue Dragon, 1, The Last Story
C-tier: 8, 3
D-tier: 2
Not FF but decent JRPG-tier: 12
Not FF but decent MMO-tier: 11
Not FF and meh action game-tier: 16
Not FF and bad JRPG/MMO-tier: 13, 14, 15
>Not FF but decent JRPG-tier: 12
ff12 just disappoints me because every time I play it I just think about how dope it would be to have a proper old Bioware-style RPG but with FF aesthetics.
i replayed it recently with zodiac age on my ps5 and enjoyed it a lot for what it is. looking back on it, i had a better time with it than im currently having with 16.
S-Tier: 9, 4, 6, Tactics
A-Tier: 7, 3, 5, 12, 16
B-Tier: 1, 10
C-Tier: 15-Royal Edition
D-Tier: 2
MMO-tier: 11, 14 (MMOs are their own completely separate thing, can't really judge compared to SP FFs)
Shit-Tier: 15-release, 13 (all of them), 8, all the 7 anthology stuff
14 is just a JRPG wearing an MMO skin.
Fricking really?
XIV's story ends with the "End Singer" lamenting the death of her "Final Fantasy" in a quest fricking called "Final Fantasy."
serve your bans barry
I miss the days when Final Fantasy had a motley bunch of characters who you recruited to your party, from girls with massive breasts, to talking animals to burly men.
Nowadays it's lost that charm because women apparently love broody boyband members who are all dressed in black and all look visually indistinct.
It being a finished game makes it objectively better than XV.
You know the funniest thing about all this shit is all Square Enix had to do was call this game Forspoken or whatever, change the summons for new entities and everyone would have been happy.
Nah, I like the Final Fantasy aesthetics.
They could've gave it a secondary FF title instead of a main numbered title though, if that would've made people feel better.
True, the only problem with that though is FF mainline isn't even in a great place right now, so a spin off title would have led to even worse sales I reckon. At least with a new IP they could have drummed up a lot more positive press and hype. Just look how much people wanted Agni's Fire to be real
they can even call it Final Fantasy, just give it a subtitle. that's how shit is always done with Square. If it's unsuccessul then it doesn't hurt the main brand and if it's successful then you can make a spinoff series out of it
S-tier: 11, 9, 6, 7, 8, 1
A-tier: 5, 3, NieR: Automata
B-tier: 10, 4, 15
POWER GAP
C-tier: 13, 2
D-tier: 14, 12
Not FF and worst story in the history of visual media ever tier: 16
>worst story in the history of visual media ever tier
oh c'mon, Forspoken exists. and there's still FAR worse than that
Forspoken isn't about how Satan is actually good and humanity can find salvation in itself.
It also doesn't end with the game stating it was just a fairy tale.
yes, it had different terrible elements, and much worse writing.
Seriously, if you think 16 and even Forspoken (which yes, was absolutely horrible) had "the worst writing in gaming EVER", then you simply haven't been playing video games for very long.
and another one for the road
this one didn't even try
It's top 5 FF easily. Haven't cleared yet, but fairly far. Yeah, the MMORPG quests are a slog and the "le errand" phase between great content isn't super fun but luckily the combat is. Gameplay is great, story is good, it's a real spectacle (crazy they did more with less time compared to FF7R), and hunts are a blast.
If i had to complain about the great things it's largely jsut Tales of Arisen with Game of Thrones lore mishmashed here and there.
> but luckily the combat is
I think the combat is fine but It's not fun enough to carry the game for me. Sure you can do some cool combo stuff on mooks that barely fight back if you want but there's issues.
>eikonic abilities have a lot of particle effects but don't stun boss/miniboss enemies so they will attack you right through them and it's a bit hard to read their attacks due to motion blur and particle effects.
>cycling is gay and eikons should be mapped to distinct button inputs.
>Stagger shit is gay.
>no RPG elements at all like status effects or anything
I think KH or DD have combat that's just more fun overall.
is gay and eikons should be mapped to distinct button inputs.
That's what you get when games are still being designed for Logitech F710 controllers in the fricking year of our lord 2023.
DMC doesn't make you cycle through styles.
APOLOGIZE TO FF13 NOW!!
>APOLOGIZE TO FF13 NOW!!
Toriyama, we already told you. Just because you put Lightning in France doesn't make her a real person, you can't date your digital waifu.
S-tier: 5
A-tier: 9, 7, 6, 10
B-tier: 12, 14, 11, 1, 3
C-tier: 4, 16
D-tier: 8, 2
F-tier: 13
Shit-tier: 15
>It's a 9 gay who hates 8
Discard
Anyone with enough neurons to form a synapse hates 8
>b-b-b-but it's shit if you sit and grind for hours!!!!!!!
I'm the anon who posted the list, even with it in D-tier, it's still mediocre if you ask me, I can see why people like it. It just definitely not for me. It's F-tier and beyond where I'd say you have actually terrible shit.
(You)
I think it's a "Star Wars prequels" situation, where people who were very little kids when they played 8 have super fond memories of it because they don't know better. After 8's initial honeymoon copium period, people shat on 8 very hard after realizing how bad it was.
Nah I was disappointed with it when it came out but even then I still wouldn't have called it shit, it just didn't live up to my expectations and the 4 discs was a red herring about how big the game would be.
I'll 100% own up to a large part of my dislike of 8 is due to the marketing at the time of the game as "the romance Final Fantasy game". Nobody talks about 8 in that way these days, but it was advertised like that and in gaming media all over at the time.
The problem is that 8 has an incredibly shallow and not really believable "romance", and Lunar Silver Star Story Complete JUST came out on PS1 shortly before 8 and had a far more believable "love story" in it.
Call me a story gay or whatever, but it really irked me. I probably don't have a very fair and open mind about the game.
I disagree with your opinion on 8 as it's my favorite in the series but I can tell from your post that we played it in the same year and I respect you, anon.
Don't. If 8 isn't his favorite in the series based on the soundtrack alone he is hopeless and beyond redemption.
He's right about the Lunar romance, though. As much as I like Rinoa she does project a modern day E-girl personality in the early to mid-game in a sense. Disingenuous and a little vain, maybe? Even ahead of her time. I still like her quite a lot.
8's soundtrack is god tier, one of the best of the franchise. That doesn't mean I'm going to like the game itself, though.
I had MP3s of 8's soundtrack burned on CDs and played it on long car trips, as autistic as that sounds. Fricking loved the music
Give it another shot, only this time go through barely drawing magic, barely playing the card game, barely grinding for ap, with active atb at fastest setting and see if you still hate it. it's incredibly flexible in how you can play it. but I now respect you also because of the burned CDs
when will ff8 come on all consoles or at least port it on the switch ):
It's on the switch, bro.
You know what, I'll give it another shot with what you said in mind. I tried it again with the relatively recent remaster, but I played it exactly the same way I played it back in the day and didn't finish.
Nice hearing from a couple anons who played it way back in the day in any case, have a good one dudes
Cheers. Rare to see an affable oldgay I can disagree with this decade. Have a good one.
My only complaint is that it's very content light as a story. Feels like 1/3 of your average RPG plot. They really hyped up the several nations with lore, so I was expecting FF6 levels of multi act shenanigans, misadventures and side quests.
This fight was pure kino and you can't convince me otherwise.
Also loved the nod to Under the Weight.
41792042
>wanting people to be happy is homosexual
cope with your actual gay game xvikun
I don’t care about FF at all and I won’t play it, but the latest game has no Black folk and, for that, I will shill for it.
but your fine with gays and troonys?
Yes, I don’t care that there are evil gays in the game, in fact I don’t know why anyone does. I don’t know about these trannies but I’m pretty sure they aren’t human and are nothing like American trannies so it’s fine.
>evil gays
>he doesn't know
Hahahahaha
I didn't until every series on the planet put them into every piece of media nonstop for the last decade. Now I can't stand it. That's why.
>letting nigs control your actions
Weak
I hate that Black folk have to be in everything all the time. gays can make sense in these kinds of stories but Black folk don’t and more games/films need to cut them out, preferably from everything but especially in settings like this one
Wow racist much?
Yes but it isn’t racist to not think blacks (they only push for blacks) should be in a Euro inspired medieval fantasy
when does Ganker and you believe it's ok to put black people in a game of specific settings that isn't offensive and doesn't harm blacks
No one ever had a problem with it when it was normal and not forced. Now that every single commercial and movie features an interracial couple it's a little tiresome. They're forcing diversity so hard that it's making people more racist. I believe it's by design. Make of that what you will.
does that mean if companies and media in general stopped doing that would you guys appreciate that plus tell said companies that they did good?
wait for real??! omg thank you anon I am definitely gonna buy it hopefully port on switch isn't bad
I think I would which is why FF16 must succeed
aight then I shall now play your beloved ff16 game (still think ff13 should at least get credit for beautiful music tho)
>does that mean if companies and media in general stopped doing that would you guys appreciate that plus tell said companies that they did good?
I would give them a good review instead of a shit one and actually buy their game, yes.
ok you have my respect now and give it time the west is slowly putting a stop to all of that failing trend
It was fine in FF7. It’s pretty obvious when they could/shouldn’t be included, I think.
I have no problem with queers or blacks being in vidya but they have to be shown to act like normal civillized humans. Any moronic gay or black "sassyness" or ghetto talk or over indulgence in muh opression/gay relationships without the player prompting it and it can frick right off.
>the fricking DBZ shit during the Typhon fight when Ifrit gets beat down and Typhon turns around to see Hellfire still above him
making Hellfire a Spirit Bomb was fricking brilliant
>chocobo fricking shot through the neck in the first couple hours
feels mean spirited and hateful to its own legacy. pass
>Based dog
>Based chocobo
>MC isn't a sissy gayet
FF16 ranks top 3 based off that alone. Only complaint is i wish it was a little harder. Other than the beefier regional enemies ignition is ohko everything instantly.
>first FF MC that isn't a twink
>Ganker hates it
sasuga gaymers...
It's a shame they put some unironic homosexual in the game, if it wasn't for that, this would have been my most anticipated game this year, I hope their decision to score ESG globohomosexual points will bite them in the ass.