Yeah, every game that ever releases turns out to be irrelevant. The past 3 years have been nothing but claiming every single game doesn't matter because there are surely other functional releases. Still waiting on those functional releases, though.
Why do developers even do this? How can they possibly expect to sell their product if no one can even run it on their hardware? Why not just use a bit older engine and sacrifice 10% of "siXtEeN tiMeS tHe dEtAiL" for exponentially better performance that substantially more people can run?
4090, even without dlss, runs games at higher resolutions and at a higher framerate than whatever card you have. if you don't want to pay for 480p that's fine, stick with 240p with your current card
Games are ALWAYS held back by hardware. The lower he res the more can be done. The more impressive games are.
I paid $1600 for my GPU why in the name of Christ do I need to lower my standards?
10 months ago
Anonymous
because your standards are unrealistic if the worlds most powerful gpu isn't capable of achieving them
10 months ago
sage
Nvidia told me my card could play 8k but turns out it can't even play 4k. Why isn't Nvidia facing a Class-action lawsuit? This is blatant false advertisement.
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/closed-settlements/nvidia-gtx-970-graphics-card-class-action-settlement/
10 months ago
Anonymous
you can play some games at 8k. it outputs in 8k and can render plenty of games at that resolution, especially with dlss turned on
10 months ago
Anonymous
8k output and being able to render AAA games at 8k are not the same thing
Nobody pays $1600 dollars to play 10 year old games in 8k and no GPU manufacturer makes GPUs to play 10 year old games in 8k. People buy $1600 GPUs to play the latests games maxed out.
10 months ago
Anonymous
ok? where is the false advertising?
10 months ago
Anonymous
It can't play the latest games in 4k much less 8k
this makes no sense. obviously when nvidia says a card can run games at 8k they are talking about existing games, not games in the future. how would they be able to test games that don't even exist yet?
Nvidia says the latest games. Nobody pays $1600 to play old games in 8k. Yes, they have relationships with publishers and can test games years in advance.
10 months ago
Anonymous
ok but where did they say it would play the latest games in 8k?
10 months ago
Anonymous
the latest games at the time of release. obviously you can't extrapolate latest into the future.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You just said the $1600 card is useless on release day.
10 months ago
Anonymous
how so?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>the latest games at the time of release. obviously you can't extrapolate latest into the future.
10 months ago
Anonymous
yeah. how does that mean the card is useless?
10 months ago
Anonymous
this makes no sense. obviously when nvidia says a card can run games at 8k they are talking about existing games, not games in the future. how would they be able to test games that don't even exist yet?
10 months ago
Anonymous
8k output and being able to render AAA games at 8k are not the same thing
10 months ago
Anonymous
It could play 5446474748k at 0fps if it wasn't idiot proofed to partially unfrick idiots like you.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Because it's not even close to an artist's vision. It's a pos. Lower res virtually increases the hardware you have many times over and brings you closer to fantasy.
4090, even without dlss, runs games at higher resolutions and at a higher framerate than whatever card you have. if you don't want to pay for 480p that's fine, stick with 240p with your current card
>this shit that has been available to consumers for only a few years destroyed the industry >not the last 3 decades of graphicshomosexualry, insane monetization or thinly veiled idpol activism
Not has, GOING TO, other than Remnant it hasn't made everything go to shit yet, about to, but not yet. Good god though, once frame generation hits it's gonna fricking suck, not only are the games going to look awful, now they're gonna have horrid random input lag.
You can turn it off if you have the HW to run native. As far as I can see it's just another graphics option. I like the option to say get a nicer looking experience during single player but use DLSS for multiplayer to get above 120fps.
>turn it off >your game now has models with trillions of polygons to render
>New technology comes out that allows someone to play a game in 1080p on their 4k TV and have it not look like absolute dogshit >Developers say "Oh, I see, now we don't have to optimize our games and we can shove in all the bloated postprocess garbage we want without care for performance!"
same thing happened with file size optimization since "everyone has broadband and multiple hard drives now"
regardless that was its intention
playing on a high resolution display with low internal resolution, upscaled so it doesn't look like complete vomit
its blurry and artifacty but that's the price you pay
the point is, this is not what developers are using it for, they're using it to shove memetracing down peoples throats because DLSS is the only way to get memetracing with playable framerates
Yes, but only when you already have really high framerate at native resolution.
When your game runs at 60fps and you interpolate at 120fps you have a lot less chance of noticing the artifacts in the fake image then when you go from sub 30 fps to 60.
no coz its all proprietary tech that they force you to buy the latest goycard to use
latest games releasing with DLSS wont function on older RTX cards despite them """supporting""" the feature
pc master race couple of years ago >lol, console gays need to use upscaling and interpolation to run their games at 720p
PC "master" race today >OH GOD THANK YOU NVIDA, please frick me in the ass with your big DLSS wiener and your 8gig vram gpu's going for 1K.
You can turn it off if you have the HW to run native. As far as I can see it's just another graphics option. I like the option to say get a nicer looking experience during single player but use DLSS for multiplayer to get above 120fps.
>You can turn it off if you have the HW to run native
That's the thing, 4090 can't run this shit native 4K 60 fps on the lowest settings
Ah I see so this is about one game in particular. Well it sucks they couldn't get it together but my opinion remains the same about DLSS/FSR in general.
And i can bet my left nut on the fact that the 3xxx series can do it just as well as the 4xxx series.
But nvidia was afraid nobody would buy the 4xxx series.
remember when PCisraelites were making fun of Sony's checkerboard rendering yet here we are with 0 PC games running at native res with anything close to 60fps
That's a direct result of having to cater to consolehomosexuals though.
When you get to generate fake frames to get a game to run properly on 8 year old hardware and you get a paycheck, why bother putting in the effort to make it run on new hardware for PCs? If you're allowed and even rewarded for the "Eh, good enough." mentality of course it's going to carry over to everything else.
Upscaling shit should be reserved for old, weak GPUs that can't run games well anymore.
It should not be a selling point for fricking brand new $500+ GPUs.
Can someone explain to me why a game like Doom Eternal managed to run at 1080p 60fps on the ps4 and still looks better than this game, that I need a fricking 3060 to run at 1080p 30fps?
Diminishing returns on how many polygons models have, moronicly detailed textures, not compressing anything, etc.
But hey man, you can see a man-faced "woman"'s facial hair if you zoom in enough, that's really important ya know? Devs know modern gamers don't like actually playing games, just add a bunch of flair that's largely indistinguishable from the level of detail in games 5+ years ago to cover up anything bad.
idtech is a bastion for devs who still optimize games since they understand how engine works
Most devs are taking Tim's stuttery bloated engine and spewing visual diarhea all over the screen.
How
look at Immortals of Aveum. you need DLSS/FSR to play it in 720p upscaled to 4k.
the game looks shitty. same with remnant 2.
wow two irrelevant games holy shit it is over
>the first ue5 games
>irrelevant
Yeah, every game that ever releases turns out to be irrelevant. The past 3 years have been nothing but claiming every single game doesn't matter because there are surely other functional releases. Still waiting on those functional releases, though.
surely this is just ue5 being shit
it's both
UE5 is a piece of shit but devs would be more diligent about optimization if FSR didn't exist
Why do developers even do this? How can they possibly expect to sell their product if no one can even run it on their hardware? Why not just use a bit older engine and sacrifice 10% of "siXtEeN tiMeS tHe dEtAiL" for exponentially better performance that substantially more people can run?
The game runs at 60fps, this is why the resolution scaling is that way.
>Why do developers even do this?
to save time and money?
>if no one can even run it on their hardware
everyone has access to FSR
Black person not even high end cards can run it well
At Native 4K*. Which is stupid to begin with.
Anything higher than 1440p on a PC monitor is a meme.
>60fps
Ok
you don't need to optimize games to get decent fps
instead you force a game to be rendered at 480p to have an illusion of decent fps
so?
so why pay thousands of dollars to play at 480p?
Maximxise the use of your hardware on graphics/gameplay.
I paid $1600 for my GPU why in the name of Christ do I need to lower my standards?
because your standards are unrealistic if the worlds most powerful gpu isn't capable of achieving them
Nvidia told me my card could play 8k but turns out it can't even play 4k. Why isn't Nvidia facing a Class-action lawsuit? This is blatant false advertisement.
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/closed-settlements/nvidia-gtx-970-graphics-card-class-action-settlement/
you can play some games at 8k. it outputs in 8k and can render plenty of games at that resolution, especially with dlss turned on
Nobody pays $1600 dollars to play 10 year old games in 8k and no GPU manufacturer makes GPUs to play 10 year old games in 8k. People buy $1600 GPUs to play the latests games maxed out.
ok? where is the false advertising?
It can't play the latest games in 4k much less 8k
Nvidia says the latest games. Nobody pays $1600 to play old games in 8k. Yes, they have relationships with publishers and can test games years in advance.
ok but where did they say it would play the latest games in 8k?
the latest games at the time of release. obviously you can't extrapolate latest into the future.
You just said the $1600 card is useless on release day.
how so?
>the latest games at the time of release. obviously you can't extrapolate latest into the future.
yeah. how does that mean the card is useless?
this makes no sense. obviously when nvidia says a card can run games at 8k they are talking about existing games, not games in the future. how would they be able to test games that don't even exist yet?
8k output and being able to render AAA games at 8k are not the same thing
It could play 5446474748k at 0fps if it wasn't idiot proofed to partially unfrick idiots like you.
Because it's not even close to an artist's vision. It's a pos. Lower res virtually increases the hardware you have many times over and brings you closer to fantasy.
4090, even without dlss, runs games at higher resolutions and at a higher framerate than whatever card you have. if you don't want to pay for 480p that's fine, stick with 240p with your current card
Games are ALWAYS held back by hardware. The lower he res the more can be done. The more impressive games are.
holy kek
You literally can't tell the difference between native 4K and upscaled res so why is it matter?
You dont know what youre talking about. The tearing is so noticeable that it makes the games straight up ugly
Not everyone is as blind as you homie.
it's just another example of software shitters being carried by hardware chads
Jpg allowed digital photo
Mp3 allowed portative devices
Dlss did same for gaming
Gamers are stupid af
A better comparison would be DXTC allowed for more textures in vidya gaming.
>this shit that has been available to consumers for only a few years destroyed the industry
>not the last 3 decades of graphicshomosexualry, insane monetization or thinly veiled idpol activism
Not has, GOING TO, other than Remnant it hasn't made everything go to shit yet, about to, but not yet. Good god though, once frame generation hits it's gonna fricking suck, not only are the games going to look awful, now they're gonna have horrid random input lag.
anti-aliasing suck
supersampling/downscaling is the only good solution to the aliasing problem.
>don't like dlss
>turn it off
problem solved
what if the game was designed around dlss
>turn it off
>game now runs on 436p 16fps
separate problem
>turn it off
>your game now has models with trillions of polygons to render
>New technology comes out that allows someone to play a game in 1080p on their 4k TV and have it not look like absolute dogshit
>Developers say "Oh, I see, now we don't have to optimize our games and we can shove in all the bloated postprocess garbage we want without care for performance!"
same thing happened with file size optimization since "everyone has broadband and multiple hard drives now"
>have it not look like absolute dogshit
no, all of this garbage looks like shit in motion, blurry as frick with artifacts everywhere
regardless that was its intention
playing on a high resolution display with low internal resolution, upscaled so it doesn't look like complete vomit
its blurry and artifacty but that's the price you pay
the point is, this is not what developers are using it for, they're using it to shove memetracing down peoples throats because DLSS is the only way to get memetracing with playable framerates
In theory, can't DLSS/FSR be a good thing in the long run? Future proofing GPUs for way longer.
Yes, but only when you already have really high framerate at native resolution.
When your game runs at 60fps and you interpolate at 120fps you have a lot less chance of noticing the artifacts in the fake image then when you go from sub 30 fps to 60.
DLSS has been great for my 2070S (using it for 4K btw), until devs started developing games in mind with FSR2
no coz its all proprietary tech that they force you to buy the latest goycard to use
latest games releasing with DLSS wont function on older RTX cards despite them """supporting""" the feature
all gaming runs on proprietary tech though. all graphics cards are proprietary. all the popular platforms are proprietary. why draw the line here?
pc master race couple of years ago
>lol, console gays need to use upscaling and interpolation to run their games at 720p
PC "master" race today
>OH GOD THANK YOU NVIDA, please frick me in the ass with your big DLSS wiener and your 8gig vram gpu's going for 1K.
You can turn it off if you have the HW to run native. As far as I can see it's just another graphics option. I like the option to say get a nicer looking experience during single player but use DLSS for multiplayer to get above 120fps.
>You can turn it off if you have the HW to run native
That's the thing, 4090 can't run this shit native 4K 60 fps on the lowest settings
So don't buy/play it then, and make the devs have to sell their ass in tent city to pay the rent. They're probably street shitters anyways.
By this shit I mean Immortals of Aveum
Ah I see so this is about one game in particular. Well it sucks they couldn't get it together but my opinion remains the same about DLSS/FSR in general.
i'm still angry about my 3080 not getting frame generation.
And i can bet my left nut on the fact that the 3xxx series can do it just as well as the 4xxx series.
But nvidia was afraid nobody would buy the 4xxx series.
graphics accelerators cards ruined gaming in the 90s. I should be able to render everything with my cpu
Nah. It saved it from the idiot masses that are brainwashed by journalists.
remember when PCisraelites were making fun of Sony's checkerboard rendering yet here we are with 0 PC games running at native res with anything close to 60fps
That's a direct result of having to cater to consolehomosexuals though.
When you get to generate fake frames to get a game to run properly on 8 year old hardware and you get a paycheck, why bother putting in the effort to make it run on new hardware for PCs? If you're allowed and even rewarded for the "Eh, good enough." mentality of course it's going to carry over to everything else.
>Damage
It has made it possible for me to keep using 1440p on my GTX 1080 even 8 years later. It's fricking awesome.
Upscaling shit should be reserved for old, weak GPUs that can't run games well anymore.
It should not be a selling point for fricking brand new $500+ GPUs.
Don't care been using FSR 1 for a long time now.
Can someone explain to me why a game like Doom Eternal managed to run at 1080p 60fps on the ps4 and still looks better than this game, that I need a fricking 3060 to run at 1080p 30fps?
Diminishing returns on how many polygons models have, moronicly detailed textures, not compressing anything, etc.
But hey man, you can see a man-faced "woman"'s facial hair if you zoom in enough, that's really important ya know? Devs know modern gamers don't like actually playing games, just add a bunch of flair that's largely indistinguishable from the level of detail in games 5+ years ago to cover up anything bad.
Matured iteration of an engine for a game with smaller scale environments and far better rendering budget considerations.
FSR > DLSS
eye doctor time for you
idtech is a bastion for devs who still optimize games since they understand how engine works
Most devs are taking Tim's stuttery bloated engine and spewing visual diarhea all over the screen.