The Emperor in 40k is officially the most powerful fictional character ever written.
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I dunno, ask /hhg/
Retvrn to Reddit.
Ironic zooming from the Empwanker
It's impossible to call him humble after his egotistical, narcissistic tantrum during The Last Church
Vecna is far more powerful.
It’s really dumb that the Dark King was supposed to be the strongest Chaos god glutted solely off humanity when Slaanesh devoured a vastly more numerous and psychically potent race (as well as an entire pantheon of gods) and yet is no stronger than the rest of Chaos
Dark King isn't getting his power from humanity, he is straight up drinking the warp like a milkshake.
Slaanesh was a God born off an entire psychic race.
The Emperor is one man absorbing all the power.
That’s really dumb. Why did no other Chaos gods do this? Or even just warp gods in general - why didn’t the Eldar pantheon or Gork and Mork try this?
But I suppose it is a better explanation than “the DK is so much stronger than the rest…. JUST BECAUSE HE IS, OKAY?!”
Well according to Priestly all Chaos Gods are one and the Emperor is a Chaos God who is also one with Chaos.
The Gods can't win over each other in the great game but the Emperor as the Dark God is pure Chaos and the ruination of everything. The Chaos Gods want this.
Ahh so it’s just the standard fare Chaos wank GeeDubs likes to engage so much in since the HH series started.
Emps wank*
Be'Lakor tried it and they said nup. Emps is Anathema he doesn't follow the Gods rules.
The Chaos gods are weaker than the Emperor. They can't consume the entire Warp's energy.
The 7th ed eldar codex (iirc) suggests that the eldar were actually less potent at the time, with their current potential being a dying gift from asurman who spread his power through them rather than be devoured, simmilar to how khaine was shattered.
Of course thats all mythologized and quite possibly happened before slaneesh ate half their race so it could be partially or entirely untrue, but its fun to think about
In one of Mephiston’s novels a Necron noted that his psychic power was a far cry from the Eldar of his time. So I’m not sure that’s the case
Power in the Inmaterium doesn't work just like DBZ power levels, it's mainly about symbology.
The "Emperor" in 40k lore counters the Chaos gods as their "anathema", and that's why he can permakill daemons, but a daemon like Drach'nyen born out the oppossite act to what Big E repressents can actually hurt him easily, even if it's otherwise "weaker" than other warp denizens.
The entire thing is insanely stupid and the entire Horus Heresy series is best ignored.
pic related
I'd say this is why deep warp theory needs to come into canon. It keeps the writers honest by making everything else small and insignificant compared to the depths of eldritch horrors, and stops marvel-tier character wankery.
Or maybe it wouldn't, given the state of the books.
If the Emperor is so strong why make the Primarchs? Why not just instantly gib every nonhuman in the Galaxy and shut all warp storms with his supposedly unstoppable power?
Because as the Dark King he is too powerful and is the end of the universe. Thats his Chaos God aspect.
This is why the Emperor doesn't want to become a God and sits on the throne containing it.
He doesn’t need to become a god to do all I said if he’s as OP as you say. He should be able to do it just by his natty psychic powers. I also remember Chaos wanting him to ascend. Why the hell did they want him to do it if he would instawin the Great Game?
The Emperor is currently being supercharged by faith to be a constructive holy God but if he gets out of control he will mutate from righteous God to the Dark King.
What constitutes getting out of control? If he’s as powerful as suggested here he should be able to end every major threat in the 30k galaxy bar chaos with only a fraction of his power. Is he just contrained by the plot into being unable to do anything?
When he started apotheosis he started drinking from the warp and gaining power exponentially at this point he starts to go out of control and drinks too much.
At that point he truly was on the road to most powerful being daemons and mortals fled in terror and he destroyed everything around him
Because he would be the Dark King of Chaos. He would win the Great Game, but he would also unite the Chaos Gods into a truly unified Pantheon.
i think the idea is he would actually destroy chaos
Oh yeah, then ask him to make a cup of tea.
I feel bad for his proto space marines, the mutant guys. Plus they would make cool models. Can you buy those or make em out of Goliath gangers or summat?
We already have enough SM armies, please no more.
>Custards
>Primaris
>Chaos & Standard SM
We don’t need thunder warriors as well
it honestly feels like they might be setting up the Emperor to be the ultimate threat in 40k.
How Imperials will be able to muster the courage to fight their Emperor
Does capital G God exist in 40k?
>Ollanius continues to worship God and be catholic despite witnessing the Emperor and Chaos in all their power
>Eunucia, Well of Eternity, and various small snippets of lore here and there confirms the existence of a higher power the warp gods and C’tan
i play around with the idea that the Emperor is the Messiah. He seems very Messianic.
Also the Emperor is suppose to be his own wellspring of untainted non-warp psychic energy
Nah he’s just a powerful perpetual psyker that managed to steal power from the chaos gods. He honestly fits much more into Antichrist than messiah. Chaos are obviously demons in the analogy.
He fits the true Messiah according to Abrahamic religion
Not even close
>no trinity
>flawed; he sins and makes mistakes
>has children
>can be defeated, finite in power
He fits far more into antichrist
>literally murders all the religious
>threatens to end everything and become a monster
>conquers all humanity
>converts all humanity to a false ideology, and eventually to worship of him
If The Emperor = the antichrist
And Chaos = demons/lesser antichrists
Then the true Messiah is yet to come and overthrow Empz and Chaos
you know the Messiah predates Catholicism. Its israeli.
And the Emperor can resurrect the dead.
The rest of your post is just christgay shitposting that doesn't understand the lore.
The Emperor didn't convert people to worship him
I was clearly referring to catholic/christian theology, given my reference to Ollanius and the antichrist.
> The rest of your post is just christgay shitposting that doesn't understand the lore.
I’m sorry that pointing out errors in your logic hurts your feelings
>The Emperor didn't convert people to worship him
He brought people to worship of the Imperial Truth. His actions eventually lead to worship of him, intentional or not. So very analogous and stretchy comparison works.
And? who cares Catholic idiot. Messiah is Judaism that predates Catholicism
You are trying to weasel your fricking religion into a fictional discussion.
He didn't make people worship the Imperial truth
You seem to be having en extremely emotionally charged response to our rather unserious conversation of whether or not 40k has any higher powers. I have not forced any religion into anything, you just seemed to think we were discussing the judaic messiah concept when I thought we were not from the start (given antichrist and Catholicism topics). You have been unable to sufficiently back up your argument that the Emperor could be a messianic figure, and so have resorted to insults.
Our discussion is an inherently silly and out there one which will never see fruit in actual 40k, so there really is no need to get worked up.
>He didn't make people worship the Imperial truth
He made people follow the Imperial Truth and destroyed all religion.
See The Last Church
stfu Catholic idiot
>trinity
how to out yourself as Cathgay. Trinitarianism isn't in the bible or even Christian. It's nonsensical bullshit made up by the Catholic church.
You have no idea what the concept of the messiah even was
No, much closer to the antichrist as the other anon said
t. Irl catheric
He fits the messiah according to Judaism. You are wrong.
He doesn't
he does
>humble leader
>inspires adoration
>conqueror and unifier of humanity
>raises the dead
etc etc
>Emperor
>humble
Holy shit the delusion
the Emperor is humble, he doesn't want to be a God. Thats how the hes persuaded to not be the Dark King
>He seems pretty whimsical. Having shave and a haircut as his secret password, enjoying playing all sorts of board games with the high ministers of Terra, cracking some self-deprecating humour.
these are not generic leader descriptions you idiot these are the signs of the Messiah
When did the Emperor raise the dead
>humble
Kek
>humble
No
>unifier
The Emperor quite famously died in a galaxy wide civil war. Not very unified.
>conqueror and has adoring subjects
Completely generic leader descriptions
I enjoy the Jesus and yet don't put him in my games.
Blame Abnett for inserting 500 references to Christianity into 40k
anon, the whole fricking thing, 40k was based on a heretical book.
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As far as I’m aware 40k was clunked together by throwing stuff from Tolkien, Dune, Starship Troopers and Alien into a melting pot.
because you are not aware you are ignorant. 40k is inspired by the same book that inspired the Da Vinci code
Kek how do you figure 40k is inspired by a gnostic’s attempt to ripoff Christianity
because Priestly said so you chucklefrick. 40k literally has almost explicit references to it
The Eternal Champion is a heretical book now?
Also the elricverse has wizards who can eat multiverses so lol @ 40kids thinking blowing up one is some big feat.
>Tolkien, Dune, Starship Troopers and Alien into a melting pot.
If we're having an angry shitpost thread about 40k's influences it's always been really funny to me how 40k fans are fricking terrified of including Dr Who on lists of media that inspired 40k even though it was as big an influence as anything you just listed
you are responding to a troll, even when he was proven wrong he just ignored it and doubled down.
Hes not genuinely interested in discussion
>whining about le Jesus
I specifically said I keep my religion out of my games, Amerilards.
If the Emperor is such a tough c**t tell him to go buy a loaf of bread, we are out. Oh, he can't.
Then why are you bringing up Jesus you fricking moron?
Messiah in fiction does not mean your religion idiot.
>everybody in this thread is the same person
dumb fricking c**t stfu
Messiah does not equal Jesus you incredibly dense moronic c**t.
>Brings up Jesus out of nowhere
Christgay go and stay go.
Not only that but Cain and Abel literally existed in 40k, as did the worldwide flood.
>The Emperor in 40k is officially the most powerful fictional character ever written.
>『All Fiction』- Psychic powers are now nothing.
And just like that he isn't anymore.
Power level autism is for losers amd one of the reasons 40kiddies are despised.
ok but the Emperor > your favourite setting
You're right, HHwank did in fact destroy my favorite setting of 40K
>Emperor
Jobs to Tao Pai Pai.
Xeelee >> Empz
Time Lords >> Empz
Downstreamers >> Empz
Goku >>> Empz
Antispiral >> Empz
nup Emps > all of them
GOATku could oneshot Empz. Little empy couldn’t even beat a c’tan without targeting its weak spot. *GOAT*ku oneshots the universe
Emps can easily beat asiaticu, Emps can destroy every universe
Wimperor can’t even destroy his own galaxy without stealing power from choas. **Goatku** simply can’t lose to a small fry like him
When Emps goes super saiyan into Dark King he can destroy the universe and the warp and the multiverse
He will just absorb asiaticu and turn him into a crispy undead guy
Good things Goatku can oneshot multiversal threats
Literally every Christian denomination in existence believed in the trinity. Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant. Only hyper schizo denoms deny it
not every one believes in Trinitarianism you ignorant idiot. Its not a biblical thing its a later addition by moronic and evil Catholics, that invalidates Christianity, literally turns the story of Jesus into a joke.
>i die for you
>oh wait im god lol joke
Everybody except weird gnostics do. Also, nobody except gnostics themselves consider gnostic christians actually christian.
nope lol, this is your brain on catholicism, Loads if Christians do not believe in the trinity.
>by moronic and evil Catholics
It predate catholicism, trinity is chalcedonism.
Fused Zamasu was multiverse tier too and that didn't help him at all against our "hero" SNITCHku.
To think Abnett already hinted at the Dark King's existence 12 years before TEatD books.
What a fricking hack.
The Dark King became a powerless abortion when Emperor rejected the power. >So the prophesy changed. The Fifth Chaos God won't be the Emperor. It won't be the Dark King. It's going to be the Despoiler.
Stfu Dan, you're wrong.
The Dark King has indeed changed, after the Emperor refused the mantle; and with its refusal it took from the Emperor some of his best sentiments. The Dark King is bound to return to elevate the Emperor, but will be with a different name; the Star Child.
Wrong! The 5th Dark God is the Great Horned Rat. We still have 6th,7th and 8th Dark God to fill the spots.
Reborn Punished loyal horus when?
Yeah but couldhe beat Madara Uchiha?
And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. No, I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara. Hell, I'm not talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. I'm talking about Kono Yo no Kyuseishu Futarime no Rikudo Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushodo, Shurado, Tendo, Ningendo, Jigokudo, Gakido, Gedo, Bansho Ten'in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sozo) capable of using Katon, Futon, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yoton and even Onmyoton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujo because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano'o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudodama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudo Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kotan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I'm Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
>Yeah but couldhe beat Madara Uchiha?
Yes.
I dunno dude Madara is pretty strong he could beat me up in a fight for sure
Lol no he isn’t
Get your head out of your own ass and read something that isn’t 40k slop
The emperor loses the fight against Horus because Horus beats him at a game of Tarot card TCG. No joke, that's a pinnacle moment in their fight.
I fully expect GW to make those cards as an actual TCG.
That is immensely stupid
They duel on many physical and metaphysical plains. This was one where your cards dealt blows to the enemy via metaphorical meaning.
That is immensely moronic
>Blows to the enemy via metaphorical
Yeah it sounds as dumb as it is. It goes on for a long while too.
Yeah Horus plays the Dark King which makes Emperor get triggered but even that's just a feint, Horus finishes Emps off with his ultimate trump card the Despoiler
As in Abaddon the Despoiler? I hope the cards picture of him was one of the meme pics with no arms
>No joke, that's a pinnacle moment in their fight.
It was a few sentences in the middle of the book. It is by no means the pinnacle or climax of the fight. All mentions of cards could be removed from the fight, and it wouldn’t change anything about the outcome or progression in any way. You’re just latching on to Reddit’s new favorite joke.
Just end the setting already
Loses to Godzilla Ultima
"The Dark King" is a stupid fricking name, 40K already has a Dark Prince and that's just one of Slaanesh's many over the top titles she gets to have for being a proper fricking Chaos God. What did the Emperor even do to try and be a God? Also. They couldn't even think up a butchered Latin name to High Gothic it? Did they literally use take the first thought that came off their heads?
>Okay so he won't just be The Emperor, he would be the KING
>But not like, the kind that he is now. Which is all gold and shiny. Maybe he'll be DARK
>Because humans are afraid of the DARK
Dark King isn't a name its just a title like Dark Prince.
The Emperor has a true name and thats another plot.
Well yeah the Emperor has a lot of sun and light symbolism.
The Dark King is described as a giant black sun because he us an inversion of the Emperor
I dont know, can he beat sonic? Sonic is pretty fast.
He's not even the most powerful character in his setting
This is a strange thread
It will only get stranger. Last time this schizo showed up he started threatening to kill people for thinking 40k had Christian inspired imagery in it.
I assume you are talking about me ive never threatened anyone on here.
Im literally mocking tradcaths for we wuzzing 40k when its inspired by a heretical text.
40k is one big anti-catholic shitpost.
The Holy Blood, idiot. See you don't even know what im talking about.
Uh huh… and where exactly did GeeDubs say that’s what inspired 40k, rather than these
Priestly explicitly said it in an interview the guy who wrote the setting. You low iq twit.
Well, if he did then they clearly need to work harder on it, rather than doing the standard fare lazy writer technique of making repeated references to Christianity in an attempt to make things seem sophisticated.
I also don’t believe that’s what the discussion was originally about anyway. It was more “does the Emperor fit the Christian Messiah” (no lol) ” and “is there a higher power in 40k” (probable not).
You’ve gone all rabbi and made it about Judaism out of nowhere for no reason.
Im not israeli you antisemitic moron
>no reason
because dur the israelites dur came up with the dur concept in the first place.
They say hes a conqueror.
Not my fault you are spiritually a pearl clutcher that gets triggered by the word conqueror.
> They say hes a conqueror.
>Not my fault you are spiritually a pearl clutcher that gets triggered by the word conqueror.
That wasn’t the argument. Christ conquers the world in his second coming in Christian theology. The argument is the Emperor fits various antichrist themes perfectly rather than Christlike ones.
He also does not fit Old Testament/Judaic prophecies of the Messiah either.
this has nothing to do with christ, again you are a pathological liar injecting your theocratic crap into the discussion
the discussion had nothing go do with christhomosexualry you idiot.
Messiah does not equal Christian. Thats you weaselly trying to inject christgay discussion into the thread.
The discussion was always about Christianity.
The posts that started them all were clearly talking about Christianity (see mention of Catholic Oll). You just had zero reading comprehension
The discussion wasn’t even about Messiah’s originally. It was about the possible existence of higher powers in 40k thanks to references made to Christianity and other stuff. You just brought them up and proceeded to get trounced in argument.
nothing to do with christianity. the first post does not mention christianity.
It asks does literal God exist in 40k. God is not unique to Christianity you low iq christgay
to which i replied
He seems like a Messiah in the vain of the root of the word and other fictional settings like Dune
>the first post does not mention christianity.
>he literally uses the word catholic
God is still not exclusive to christianity idiot. Oli is wrong.
> Ollanius continues to worship God and be catholic despite witnessing the Emperor and Chaos in all their power
you are now quoting yourself as a source. hilarious
>There Maimonides lays out the basic description of the messianic age as a time in which the kingship of the Davidic dynasty will be restored, the israeli people will be ingathered back to the Land of Israel from the far reaches of the earth, the Temple will be rebuilt and the practice of animal sacrifice restored.
>animal sacrifice restored.
>animal
The Emperor is sustained by HUMAN sacrifice. He is more akin to an evil god like moloch than he is a messiah
This is such a weaselly strawman. The Emperor didn't usher in "HUMAN SACRIFICE111" The psykers being fed to him is part if a witch purge and it powers the astronomicon. To keep space travel working.
This isn't what he wanted when be was walking around he wasn't calling for religious human sacrifice, he was in fact motivated by that shut to BAN RELIGION.
You are such a c**t, stfu.
>The Emperor didn't usher in "HUMAN SACRIFICE111"
Hmm let's see
>sacrificed all of his Thunder Warriors to clear the way for Space Marines
>sacrificed children to make Space Marines
>sacrificed his own children to make Primarchs
>sacrificed an entire world just to teach Lorgar a lesson
His whole religion (yes, the Imperial Truth is a religion) is based on human sacrifice.
you are a c**t. None of that is religious ritual sacrifice. Seriously why are you like this? do you think you are clever?
>religious ritual sacrifice
They literally do this with the psykers every day
you have to be an idiot theres no other explanation
I accept your flailing, raving concession
Dumbshit
Seething. In tears, even.
you really have no idea how stupid you look
You really have no idea how bootyblasted you look
moron troony
>xhe's THIS buttsundered over how wrong xhe was
Lmao
>genetically defective moron tries to say the general definition of sacrifice eg 100 marines were sacrificed, self sacrifice. Is the same as ritual religious sacrifice
>somehow oblivious words have multiple meanings
>thinks hes being clever
Lowest of low iqs, so sub-humanly stupid. Classic Dunning-kruger esl.
I said psykers not marines.
>there is no ritual whatsoever to the creation of a space marine
Lol
Lmao, even
I-I’m sorry? Am I not allowed to quote myself when you claimed I didn’t say catholic when I really did?
The sacrifice argument was already address here
god isnt catholic you mong, claiming one character who is supposed christian makes 40k christian is hilarious, you are moronic
Judiasm bans human sacrifice and the Emperor is sustained by industrial scale human sacrifice to power his throne. He does not fit the israeli messiah either.
You always go for the double blind of
>it's not there
>but it's satire if it is
You don't understand that the onky Chud superpower are self inserts and identifying with the villain and making him the good guy. That's memetics. I don't agree that 40k is about Catholicism, but I can see how there is a kink via the Gothic imagery.
I never put my religion in games, it feels like an imposition at best and blasphemy at worst
please stop you are a moron. The anon literally says Messiah in Judaism and you bring up Jesus, Jesus isnt the Messiah in judaism
Criminal cartels aren't religions m80
Yeah I'm sure it's that and not the dune-esque science fantasy series that was very popular in Britain at the time about a lawful evil empire in the far future wielding lost technology ruled over by a guy in a life support tank that citadel also made a few miniatures for.
>but the original idea was that the Space Marines have an older and more direct relationship with the Emperor analogous to that of the Knights Templar as keepers of the Holy Grail and so forth - I'm not saying that stuff is 'real' only that there's the parallel! The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (book) had just come out at the time and I remember reading that - it's the book Dan Brown based The Da Vinci Code on. Hence you get a natural friction between the different factions within the Imperium - most of which are dependent upon willful self-delusion to some extent. Again - I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church - the Great Schism - endless heresies and sectarianism - factions hunted down and destroyed (Prussian Crusade for example) and so on. In that respect, the Emperor in the 40K backstory is as much based on history as upon any fictional influences. - Priestly
- wait -
He outright says it was inspired by the Catholic Church and its history, and later authors out all sorts of references to Christianity into their novels, and it uses various barbarised catholic themes and visuals, and we’re to ignore all of that because Ricky made a reference to some gnostic book? Which is also bastardised Christian/Catholic theology?
What exactly are you arguing here? It was “Emperor is the messiah” to “40k has no catholic influences” to “40k has all sorts of catholic influences”
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/91710504/#91715020
Did you take too many pills and black out and forget? Is that what causes you to act like this?
ad hominem and not me. Try again. You sound mentally ill farms gay.
i seriously hate when neckbeard fedoras/tradcath fedoras try to engage in discussion they have zero understanding of
>he humbly decided to force everyone in the galaxy to follow his plan at gunpoint and he humbly didn't tell anyone else what his plan was because he humbly decided he was the only one smart enough to do it
>his plan involved humbly stealing chaos power because he humbly believed he was above being corrupted by it like everyone else was
>a humble person would do nothing
The Messiah is a conqueror
>BIFFORD: You said once that the novel "Dune" was an influence. How many books in the "Dune" series have you read, and did any of the later works influence you?
>PRIESTLEY: Yes the sweep of Dune - the idea of an individual becoming a reluctant 'god' - there is a lot of that in 40K. I think I've read them all - well as far as Chapter House Dune anyway! Yes that was the last one (just checked) then other authors pitched in a wrote a second series but I've not read those.
God Emperor of Dune has something in common with the idea of the Emperor in 40K - but so does the King-Emperor Huon in the Runestaff books - and I think I drew on a lot of sources - historical and fictional - when I put together the 40K back-ground - so you can't pin it down to one thing really. As the IP lawyers would say - whilst it draws its inspiration from many sources it remains a wholly original creation.
stop being a homosexual and ignoring the post here
>I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church
>Christian church
>Christian
once again you don't know what parallel means. You don't get the significance of him referencing Holy blood
he out right says
>I'm not saying that stuff is 'real' only that there's the parallel!
>Again - I draw the parallel
and again look up what the Holy Blood is, dont kneejerk respond look it up
I'm out of the loop
Are you telling me they didn't just end HH with Emps getting mortally wounded and everything carrying on as usual?
Abnett ruined it. Just like he ruined the Primarch scattering with Erda
BTW did you know the Terminus Decree is some boring weapon that only kills Space Marines and Primarchs rather than anything interesting like a chained Man of Iron or Primarch/Emperor clones or some Old One super weapon or whatever.
Oh, and Horus is alive and the Star Child. And he beats the Emperor in a fight (he’s much stronger than him rather than weaker), partially by time travelling and playing card games.
they revealed an unknown turn of events preceding him duelling Horus.
Where he starts to turn into a God
kek according to the Messiah in Judaism the Messiah will bring back the practice of sacrifice. Temple restored etc
>kek according to the Messiah in Judaism the Messiah will bring back the practice of sacrifice
Another lie
> kek according to the Messiah in Judaism the Messiah will bring back the practice of sacrifice. Temple restored etc
Animal, not human. Also I don’t remember the Messiah eating souls or being a fedora-wearing atheist who still cries about the crusades 30k years later
Judaism didnt ever have human sacrifice, thats some poltard antisemitic conspiracy you c**t
You have such terrible reading comprehension it’s unreal
His reading comprehension is fine, he's a pathological liar
you are a pathological liar like every cathgay
we are talking about a fictional Messiah you idiot, how many times does it have to be repeated, ylu continually being a c**t looking for Christian angles is hilarious
>christian angles
You said you wanted to talk about Judiasm, remember? israelites ban human sacrifice
I dont want to talk about Judaism, i never said this, also my point is not about Christianity AS CHRISTIANITY IS NOT JUDAISM
he never said he wanted to discuss Judaism you schizophrenic troll
you people are pathological liars, also you are so fricking lazy all you can do is repeat things said back
you making up a strawman that the Emperor is "liderally practicing human sacrifice" is a total fricking lie.
>unintentionally defeats his own argument
You are an imbecile, you made a strawman
He’s literally making up arguments to fight against at this point
says the homosexual throwing out strawmans to make this a religious argument.
why are you this mentally ill over this shit catholic?
40k is not a catholic work.
The Emperor can be a messiah
If it doesn't adhere to your exact qualification of a messiah it doesnt matter
>claim the emperor is a messiah
>pointed out that he doesn't match the christian messiah at all
>claim you meant the israeli messiah
>pointed out that he doesn't match the israeli messiah at all
>claim you actually meant a new special type of messiah nobody has ever heard of that has nothing to do with the origins of the word so nobody can disagree with you
thats what you are doing you little liar
this thread is exactly why christgays need to be banned all over the site they do the same shit in Ganker
It doesnt matter if they are christian or ex-christian they shit up every discussion with low iq trolling
>low iq
aha, there you are!
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/91710504/
this 'no catholic influence in 40k' guy did this schtick last month and everyone had fun with it, glad to see he can keep himself entertained
>Come to board to discuss my hobby I use to escape the blatant israelitery in real life
>Thread is filled with blatant israelitery
MFW I just read this thread and couldn't possibly trace or explain the argument dominating it.
Just israelites doing what they do best anon
theres an antisemtic poltard tradcath troll that keeps trying to bait Christian theocratic debate on here. Hes been doing for months even years.
You can tell who he is because he insists the Emperor is the "antichrist"
Its just your typical lone looney that believes in satanic panic pearl clutching
you have had this explained to you so many times itt you are just trolling now.
Messiah =/= Christian.
You were told The Messiah is not Christian, it comes from Judaism, furthermore you had the point clarified that it was Messiah as in a fictional Messiah neither israeli or Christian because the word has a broader meaning.
>a fictional Messiah neither israeli
Really? Because you also said
>He fits the true Messiah according to Abrahamic religion
>It's israeli
>Messiah is Judaism that predates Catholicism
>He fits the messiah according to Judaism
>The anon literally says Messiah in Judaism
Because "Messiah" was coined by Judaism you dumb dipshit.
The word then took on a general meaning as many faiths and groups have variations of Messiahs. As an example Dune.
We are going around in circles because yoi don't listen and are a trolling moron
In Abrahamic religions, a messiah or messias (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ, romanized: māšīaḥ; Greek: μεσσίας, messías; Arabic: مسيح, masīḥ; lit.'the anointed one') is a saviour or liberator of a group of people. The concepts of mashiach, messianism, and of a Messianic Age originated in Judaism,[1][2] and in the Hebrew Bible,
I’m not sure what you think quoting Wikipedia adds to the argument. Nobody is claiming the New Testament is older than the Old. Don’t tilt against windmills
It seems you’ve lost every argument in this thread
>empz is a Messiah figure
Argument destroyed pretty early on
>actually anon was not mentioning Catholicism
Debunked by simply reading the thread
>actually it’s the judaic Messiah
Argument destroyed
>actually 40k takes no inspiration from Christianity whatsoever
Argument destroyed
What are you even debating at this point?
Anon listen to me you are severely mentally ill and low iq.
Now im just going to assume you are an ESL hispanic that doesn't understand words.
Everything you are saying is stupid, you are arguing things in your head no one is saying, you aren't listening or comprehending things said to you. Just inanely spamming gotchas itt and moving the goalposts around
You need to stop you have a mental health problem.
i'll recap
>moron: Is there real God in 40k
>anon: the Emperor is Messianic
>triggered moron: blabla antichrist, blabla trinity, blabla christianity
>anon: stfu moron
I think there are morons who are triggered by the mere mention of Christianity but they are currently dilating.
christianity has nothing to do with the topic, the christgay merely assumed God is Christian because hes a Christgay. Then he got mad anons didnt take the bait.
Wk40 has a catholic aesthetic, but very few christian themes (outside the starchild being a messiah).
How about the fact that the 'Catholic aesthetic' is the only thing keeping humanity alive?
it has a Gothic aesthetic, protip its not unique to catholics.
Its not a Christian work in fact to say it is is heretical in Christianity. Its like claiming Harry Potter is Catholic.
Powerman canonicaly defeated the empror permanently
>antisemitic poltard heres the word Judaism
>has a meltdown
kek
>moron antisemite poltard thinks everyone is israeli
You know when you are arguing with an idiot when they do the
>that thing! that thing you just posted! it proves me right!
Its the most bizarre narcissism disorder
You’re not fooling anyone
you lost so hard its not funny, go be pathetic elsewhere
>schizophrenic mentally ill reply
why are you kiwi farms subhumans like this.
This guy itt is literally just getting triggered by words
>judaism
>conqueror
>messiah
if you wanna see something funny ask him what his thoughts on buddhism in 40k are (unless he forgot that part of the script since last time)
You are talking about the wrong guy because you are an idiot with no self awareness.
Im making fun of YOU in that post. You filthy autist.
what are your thoughts on buddhist influences vis a vis the imperium's religion
The marines are similar to Buddhists. Your entire schtick is being a chucklefrick over the most benign comments and putting them out of context,
The marines are like Buddhists yes.
You are so fricking moronic kys before someone does it for you
God from the Bible is a more powerful fictional character.
>judaism
>conqueror
>messiah
>buddhists
this guy is like an ai bot, just reacting to words
Abnett has written more 40k lore than Priestley has at this point. Priestley is not relevant to a discussion of the Horus Heresy novels. Abnett added explicit references to catholicism.
>the og creator does not count because it proves me wrong
nope frick off
Priestley has not been employed for the entire run of the Horus Heresy. He isn't the creator of that series.
this is like saying Tolkien has no authority over LotR in the present.
Stop saying stupid shit because you like lising arguments
Priestley says he can't stand reading black library novels because they don't match his vision of 40k, so his interview is literally worthless for figuring out Abnett's authorial intent when Abnett adds an immortal catholic man that destroys the tower of babel. You're basically talking about a different setting.
Doesn't matter we arent discussing the novels. Priestly was brought up to point out the inspiration for 40k. That hasn't changed, stfu
The Dark King is from the novels that Abnett wrote. The entire thread is about the novels.
thats not why Priestly was brought up you lying c**t.
Priestly was brought up to remind the idiot(you) where 40k got its inspiration from a conspiracy book. Full stop. Stfu
Where Priestley drew inspiration from is not relevant to the fact that Abnett added an immortal catholic protagonist in the novel series that this thread is about
Stop doubling down. Abnett inserting references to an extinct 21st century religion, does not mean 40k is Christian. The Imperium is not Christian, the Church in 40k is not Christian.
Oli is only a "Christian" because hes immortal.
Priestly saying where 40k derives its inspiration from is always relevant, that is a heretical conspiracy book . Stfu
Priestley says he can't stand reading current 40k stories because they don't fit his vision, so how is his vision relevant for interpreting modern 40k stories? He doesn't work on modern 40k and he doesn't like modern 40k.
that is utterly fricking irrelevant. stfu
>40k is about le catholicism
you cathgays are worse than atheists, how fricking stupid are you that you think a non-christian scifi church is catholic.
>christgays/anti-christgays insisting the Ecclesiarchy is christian
morons
>posting infographics made with stock meme faces and expecting to be taken seriously
why are morons like this?
Is posting meme gifs any better?
I'm not using meme gifs to prove anything though, I'm using them because they're funny.
The meme image is both true AND funny though?
I'm actually just above the age of 12
You have to be over 18 to post here kiddo, I guess that explains why you sound all moronic and homosexual
>The meme image is both true AND funny though?
It's only funny if you're a 12 year old "edgy" Christgay who thinks he's le chadface man, though.
I promise you that this stale old gif made precisely 0 people laugh, chuckle, chortle, or smile. You’re exactly the same as the people you whine about, but your “humor” has a Ganker coat of paint.
>if you find my jpeg'd redpill infographics made with meme faces cringe, you must be a israelite
I'm actually just above the age of 12, physically and mentally. Hopefully you are actually just underage, because then there is still hope for you to grow out of this cringe behavioral phase as I once did. Unfortunately there is a significant possibility that you are not underage and are in fact in your 20s or 30s (or possibly even 40s), in which case I'm very sorry because it's over and it has been over since you graduated high school
>screaming inanely about the israelites in your head intensifies
Go see a shrink
Honestly whatever the frick this thread turned into is still better than powerlevelwank
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