the frick is this ability supposed to mean? scarlet pulse fits better, localization dumb
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the frick is this ability supposed to mean? scarlet pulse fits better, localization dumb
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orichalcum is a type of metal that doesn't actually exist
I wonder why they would name it that.........really makes you think........
Orichalcum is the closest western thing to Scarletite
I do love how all the paradox mons are written in a way that the average moron can see them and think "yeah that sounds legit" when in actuality if you know anything about the respective field you know it's bullshit. Really makes you wonder if Sada and Turo were just LARPing as professors, or just really obsessed with myths and conspiracies.
Definitely a mix of both. They were top students, and the director's office used to belong to them and they carried out experiments there from what I remember, so they were clearly capable. However, they also seemed to have an obsession over the Occulture magazines as we can tell from the fact that they brought some of those magazines to the lab on Cabo Poco. The way I see it is that they were fairly normal until the other professor left, and they started spiraling from there. I think not a lot of attention is brought to the line "I'm so close to creating a world like the one in the book—a paradise where we three can live happily together forever. I must make it real." in the journals.
I've long thought about what that "we three" could refer to, but I don't find an answer that fully satisfies me yet. I'm not convinced that it refers to Sada/Turo, Koraidon/Miraidon and Arven; it just seems rather strange considering that entry comes after the one in which they talk about having Koraidon/Miraidon already. And if it Sada, Turo and Arven like I think—why would all this research be what allows thay paradise?
I think discussing what the professors true intentions were, what this paradise meant to them, is a much more interesting topic.
They had an obsession with Heath's Book, not Occulture. Stop trying to re-write the game story to suit your headcanon.
... Anon, there were literally Occulture magazines in their lab in Cabo Poco. The professors clearly read both the Heath Books and the Occulture Magazines. This is not a hard observation to make, now stop being so combative for no reason.
Any scientist worth their salt beginning a research topic will read all available published work on that subject. And given there was critically little but Heath's Book published around 180 years before occulture and the shitrags, he covered all bases. He made the Book the key to his machine though. Occulture's also in the library in the entrance hall of the Academy - you're meant to explore it, find the mags, have doubt cast upon the paradoxes, then play through the game to discover they're actually real, not the other way around.
Sorry you're an npc who gets filtered quite easily by time frickery. Bet you got lost during PoA too because you're acting exactly like the people I was discussing HP with 20 years ago.
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Okay? I precisely avoided talking about time travel or imagination in my post because I wasn't arguing about whether it was time travel or not. I frankly do not care if it is one or the other because, as I expressed, I am far more interested in what the concept of "paradise" was for Sada and Turo because of that "we three" line. You're the one who, out of nowhere, brought that discussion to the foreground so you could randomly boast about how intellectual you are.
But since we're at it, the fact your post contains the sentence "you're meant to explore it, find the mags, have doubt cast upon the paradoxes, then play through the game to discover they're actually real, not the other way around." proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You're making assumptions over authorial intent, which is not something that you as a reader have access to. I could say that "you're meant to assume that Arven is a schizophrenic and Scarlet and Violet is Arven in a coma" and it would be equally as valid because both arguments have authorial intent as the subject. You cannot know what was going through Ohmori's mind as he was directing the game, nor the writer's mind as he was writing the story.
Reading is an exercise of interpretation, not understanding. Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. And where one cannot know, one cannot speak.
If there was an intended order for encountering the books, then they would have been mandatory. The fact that you can find them at any time means there's no correct order to finding them, meaning that when you find them has no bearing on the story. The only thing that matters is the information.
The only tidbit we get is that the professor treasured the scarlet/violet book as a child which probably propelled them into becoming a professor in the first place so they can bring their research down to Area Zero. it makes sense along the way, they started reading Occulture too because it aligns with their interests of Heath's book.
I figure the moment they stepped down to Area Zero and started fulfilling their childhood obsession they got more delusional thinking it'll somehow become the perfect paradise for their family of 3. they probably started rambling about paradox pokemon destroying the ecosystem is a natural part of life, and their spouse eventually got fed up, left, and took Arven with them. At that point the professor doubles down on their research and the time machine in a desperate attempt to prove their conspiracy theories and delusions weren't wrong. All in an attempt to get back the marriage and family they had lost
>their spouse eventually got fed up, left, and took Arven with them
but the spouse didn't really take Arven which is bizarre. Arven was raised alone and the only parent he ever met was the professor.
oh yeah I misremembered the research log
>That woman/man walked out not long after the boy was born.
it makes more sense if the spouse just walked out while newborn arven was left with the professor
I don't know if the bit with the other parent is just bad/lazy writing or a grim implication. The fact that they just left without a trace(?), leaving their own flesh and blood behind when he was still but a toddler would imply that the professor must've done or said something truly horrendous. You don't just leave your own son behind forever after a usual divorce or breakup. But then again, even if the other parent wanted to leave cause the professor was (going) insane, wouldn't it be extremely irresponsible of them to leave their son with them? Surely they'd want to protect him from the professor.
So yeah, not sure what the implication here is. I'm kinda thinking that the prof's journal in general is full of red herrings, but then again I kinda doubt they'll address any of this in the DLC much, if at all.
I figure both of arven’s parents are just terrible people. the one that left probably hated the professor so much they wiped their hands clean of everything even their own son. and the professor loved arven but was extremely neglectful
Arven isn't real.
He's a paradox in some way because of his parents, but I do think he's real.
Paradox Pokémon seem like fictional creatures. In fact the vast majority of people believed that they were products of fiction when Heath wrote the book about them 200 years ago and called him a fraud.
Yet, some clearly insane professor who was obsessed with the book build a machine that brought these Pokémon to Paldea, allegedly from the ancient past / distant future. They were the only ones who thought these Pokémon are from a different time in the first place. There's a few other sources that name very different origins for these Pokémon, although those sources are also highly dubious.
Fact is, we can't be sure if these Pokémon are really from another era. Especially since they've been (allegedly) seen 200 years ago, before the time machine existed.
Now people argue in circles about where these Pokémon are really from. Was it really a time machine? Or did the machine do some other weird shit, like somehow manifest them into reality with the power of the tera crystals or some bullshit?
The game doesn't give a definitive answer, and we don't know what the third legendary's powers are either. So anons are stuck in a loop calling each other moronic cause both answers are plausible and bullshit at the same time.
Almost like that's the reason why they are called Paradox Pokémon. Not that anyone cares.
The thing that confuses me is the talk about building a paradise. It just comes out of nowhere.
Who reads a book about a giant hole full of dangerous, aggressive monsters and thinks "yep, great place to raise the kid"?
Yeah I also find this part very confusing. They say that they want to - but what the frick does that mean?
Let's assume they think that Heath was actually a hoax and the book was fiction. Then they would want to make his "vision" of Area Zero real. But how is the world that Heath described a "paradise"? All he talked about was how dangerous everything was. Someone on his team was mortally wounded by the Donphan Paradox. All other Paradox mons were described as extremely aggressive. How on earth would they see that as a paradise?
And if they assumed that the book was real, why would they have felt the need to "make it real" if it already was real? And why was their dream to build a time machine if they believed that Heath's story was true?
Something just doesn't add up here. They are either talking about a different book, or they've had a twisted view on the book all this time.
*They say that they want to create "a world like the one in the book"
>Their very existence brings destruction to the ecological balance of this current age. The original professor would say that such destruction is a natural part of life. At present, the barrier around Area Zero is still working to keep the future Pokémon from escaping into the rest of Paldea. But we've begun to see Pokémon appear that can break the barrier—such as Iron Treads. Eventually they will break free of this walled garden known as Area Zero and run rampant across the Paldea region. And when they do, the rich and varied ecosystem of Paldea will be trampled beneath their coming. I may have been created as a copy of the professor, and yet...I cannot seem to find the logic in allowing such a tragedy to occur.
at this point I’d chalk it up to a dream the professor had since childhood that had spiraled out of control. no sane adult would think ecological destruction is a natural part of life. like a kid who thinks godzilla is the coolest thing ever and ends up creating a machine to bring godzilla to life as an adult
I figure the AI being a robot clone didn’t come with the professor’s insanity
My guess is that there's a passage in Heath's book that we don't see that describes or speculates on the civilization that lived in Area Zero and that's the "paradise" the professor is trying to recreate.
>I've long thought about what that "we three" could refer to, but I don't find an answer that fully satisfies me yet
Pretty sure this was after learning they were expecting a baby, and before the partner left. I always assumed "we three" are the couple and Arven. You think they're counting the 'raidon? Could be but at that point I think the prof still sees the 'raidon as the first step for paradise, rather than a family member
They are like those creationist scientists
>if you know anything about the respective field you know it's bullshit
The entire field is bullshit to start with. Fake science for grant money, no workable model or mechanics, no results and doesn't mesh with observable phenomena.
>Koraidon's ability orichalcum pulse is a reference to a fantasy metal that can be found in atlantis
>Miraidon's ability hadron engine is a reference to the large hadron collider and its atoms more specifically atlas (atlantis)
localization not canon
not scarlet, hihirokane btw
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Hihiirokane
once again anti-localizationgays showing they know nothing about japanese
Bulbapedia's one is a mistranslation. Scarlet in Japanese is ひいろ not ひひいろ. The japanese name references a legendary metal as says. So, I'd say it's a pretty accurate English adaptation.
Bulbapedo's Japanese translators have always been moronic clowns.
Gen 9 has since come out and again says it's pincers, Bulbapedia continues to claim that Mawile is known for its deadly claws.
Lol むすび literally means knot, where did they get "rope" from?
Google translate most likely
>Lol むすび literally means knot
Did you just know this?
Yeah, why?
It can also mean rice ball btw
For a Bulbapedia translation you'd want something like "Pulse of Deep Scarlet" with a note further down the page explaining what hihi'irokane is.
Funnily enough, the page used to give
>Orichalcum Pulse (ひひいろのこどう Orichalcum Pulse)
as the "literal translation" of the JP name (while always having Scarlet Pulse as the translation of the Chinese one)
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Orichalcum_Pulse_(Ability)&action=history
Also there was a translation note which got added and removed, but it was to explain what orichalcum is.
>Hyper Cutter
>Japanese name is "kairiki-basami" (i.e. 怪力剪刀) and is translated incorrectly as "superpowerful claws"
>Chinese name further down the page is still 怪力剪刀 but this time is translated more accurately as "superpowerful scissors"
I guess fewer people care about CN translations so you're more likely to get someone who actually speaks the langauge.
>The first recorded appearance of the metal was in the Takenouchi Documents, a set of pseudo-historical manuscripts which appeared in 1935
>...
>While largely regarded as a hoax, a number of the Documents' ideas became absorbed into popular culture, hihi'irokane included.
really makes you think
The amount of effort they've put in to make the paradox mons skirt the line of believable to complete bullshit is really cool, too bad people actually think time travel is legit.
Time travel gays are either contrarians or actual trolls. None of them truly believe it, except maybe a handful of literal autists who take everything literally and cannot understand subtext for the life of them.
Either way, they abuse the fact that nothing in the game outright states "It is not time travel", but rather has a handful of things that are supposed to make you think "none of this is making any sense". But autists don't understand such things, they need to have it spelled out for them or else they don't understand. That's why they rather believe an insane professor with an unhealthy obsession who ignores all rational thought related to their autism. Huh, kind of ironic if you think about it...
>Either way, they abuse the fact that nothing in the game outright states "It is not time travel"
Ironically most time travel gays will also go on tangents about the "mega and non-mega universe" which proves they aren't averse to coming up with headcanons based on what some Youtuber said.
They just lack reading comprehension.
What about Miraidon's ability? I do not now a lot about physics but hadrons do exist, right? Do they have some kind of property that can be related to paradox mons?
hadron particles were given that name during a conference at CERN. you know CERN, the same institution that also has the Large Hadron Collider. and it's another source of insane conspiracy theories
I'd say it's more about the whole Hadron Engine thing, not just the hadrons themselves. That kind of engine fits the sci-fi theme of future paradox mons.
"Hadron Engine" is something really funny if you know a little about physics. Hadrons are really unstable subatomic particles that quickly disintegrate into other particles. The only way we can reliably observe them is through making other particles collide (LHC) to detect the particles said collision produces. So the concept of an engine that works with hadrons is fricking deranged lmao
If Miraidon's ability was "Violet Engine" in Japanese, I'd agree, but it's still "Hadron Engine", so Orichalcum Pulse is better for consistency.
>Orichalcum
>CUM
hue
Can someone explain that imagination theory to me? I don't care much about the game's story but I got curious.
Basically pokemon movie 3 with entei, but instead of the unown it's terapogos
I see, pretty interesting stuff, thanks anons.
There's also some oddities like how Heath claims he found the Paradox Pokémon just wandering around Area Zero, yet the Professor couldn't find any until he built a machine that amplifies the power of Tera Crystals to spit them out for him.
When the Terastal phenomenon has nothing to do with transporting things, and instead involves creating matter out of thin air that reflects the personality of the user. Combined with the weirdness of the Toxic Chains explicitly granting wishes, and the Herba Mystica (which is linked to Tera Crystals) doing different things for different users.
what actually happened during heath’s expedition is the big mystery indigo disk will answer (see the trailer)
the professor loved heath’s book since childhood. the professor was also a reader of conspiracy theory shlock, occulture on their shelf in the lab. terapagos makes your dreams/desires a reality. the professor thought they were building a time machine but actually is an imagination machine that spits out fictional cryptid paradox pokemon they read about. the professor was also left alone down in Area Zero and wished they had another set of hands, so they got a robot AI that was otherwise impossible by modern human standards.
and how dokutaro fits into all of this:
you can only find glimmoras down in area zero. what it’s insinuating is that wild glimmet eats tera crystals and evolves into a flower. but if a glimmora eats too much it mutates and goes from flower -> peach and gets wish granting toxic chains. because tera crystals contain terapagos dream/wish power. dokutaro ate so much tera crystals it gets powers similar to terapagos. it granted wishes to the loyal 3, most likely posessing kieran, and was probably responsible for reviving its minions.
Gekkougashir moment.
Scarletite was a mythical metal mentioned in the Takenouchi documents and conflated with the Atlantean orichalcum in said documents. It’s a perfect localization, and fits the conspiracy occulture themes of the game, right down to being called project atlantis.