Imagine being so much of a moron you can't even see where this is going >it's OK guys it's not really a brain it's only 1000 neurons that's all >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >10 years later.. >so what if it's has the complexity of 100 human brains combined relax it's not really alive its grown in a lab see?
You can decide not to care if it hurts your tiny little brain just don't pretend it's OK because "it's just couple of neurons and not an actual brain" as if we not all know exactly where this is going.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why should I care if it IS an actual brain?
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're so much of a moron I'm starting to doubt you have an actual brain. Kys. I'll let someone else explain to you moron I don't care enough.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Must suck being THIS autistic
3 months ago
Anonymous
You tries to sound smart but ended up a complete moron so now you try to wear me down with your extreme stupidity to feel like you've won some imaginary argument.
But there's no argument you're just a moronic homosexual and the more you try the dumber you look.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but you are pretty fricking moronic if you cant extrapolate to its logic conclusion and see the horror of it
You guys should get a room I think
3 months ago
Anonymous
I literally just got here lmao buttblasted
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds to me you need a lil butt blasting from your gayolo homosexual homie in this thread
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're the one who keeps bringing up sex with men and fantasizing about it
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mean its plain to see, you're a gay
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but you are pretty fricking moronic if you cant extrapolate to its logic conclusion and see the horror of it
3 months ago
Anonymous
logical*
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe he can see the "horror" but doesn't care because the "horror" doesn't apply to him.
Maybe life as we know it has desensitized the modern man to man-made horrors to the point where a literal human brain trained to play pong is not an inherently horrible/terrifying concept to your run-of-the-mill midwit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you are not real
you're just a brain in a jar. everything you feel is a work of fiction and falsehood
3 months ago
Anonymous
lol
imagine caring this hard about shit you have zero control over, and conflating this pointless exercise as a demonstration of your godlike intellect
3 months ago
Anonymous
He probably thinks he’s smarter than the biologists who grew the brain lol
Why should you care about anything? Why should you care about people being murdered, innocent civilians being kidnapped and tortured as POWs, children being struck with horrific and incurable terminal illnesses? You shouldn't. There is no should in core ethics, what you do or don't care about is personal to you. But if your sense of empathy and ethics is the same as mine in that you care about those things, it makes sense that you should care about this too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i don't think the average Ganker user cares about murder or genocide.
>anon still thinks that slippery slope is a fallacy
Remember 20 years ago how people thought gays would want to bring their shit into elementary schools and media said they were crazy?
>anon still thinks that slippery slope is a fallacy
Remember 20 years ago how people thought gays would want to bring their shit into elementary schools and media said they were crazy?
its in the name
3 months ago
Anonymous
Literal npc brain
3 months ago
Anonymous
based free thinker repeating what someone else told you
>horse armor DLC is a slippery slope? fallacy, the gaming industry wont ever become riddled to the brim with microtransactions for the dumbest things >giving every moronic chilld and normie access to the internet via smartphone is a slippery slope? nonsense, fallacy. online places of discussion won't become completely unusable and ban evasion won't become an unfixable problem. furthermore, injecting these creatures into the digital userbase totally won't frick the entire vidya industry due to the primary target demographic turning into mouthbreathers
It may have been a fallacy 30 years ago but in today's world it's not a fallacy because society has now devolved in such a way that people will ALWAYS attempt to lower the bar further and further, bit by bit. Society's devolution IS one big slippery slope and anything bad that happens, will happen to a worse degree next year.
I hereby introduce the "fallacy fallacy". have a nice day btw. Only cutting your fricking shiteating NPC head off your torso can fix the world.
what the frick do you know? we don't understand anything about our sentience- if there were ever a place it would reside you'd think it WOULD be in the neurons you fricking moron
your gut have a much bigger impact on your conscience than you think.
There's more cells inside you that are not inherently part of you than the other way around.
You are host to more living things than you yourself are composed of.
>Frick ethics and morals amirite?
Yea, that's some good shit, can't wait until I'm running around in living cancer bio-armor and fighting off shoggoths created by man's hand
Imagine being so much of a moron you can't even see where this is going >it's OK guys it's not really a brain it's only 1000 neurons that's all >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >10 years later.. >so what if it's has the complexity of 100 human brains combined relax it's not really alive its grown in a lab see?
When are you gonna start campaigning for the rights of teratomas? Luddites are some of the most moronic people out there. Rather than actually comprehend the danger of widespread surveillance and algorithms that can determine whether or not you're problematic to the state with reasonable accuracy, you instead choose to whine and cry about trannies and neurons in vats.
How is this unethical or immoral? You are clutching pearls over some cells made from skin. You probably cause more harm every time you scratch your balls. >inb4 IT JUST IS
Yeah, frick being able to cure mental moronation and brain damage! The real moral outrage is how much funding is being diverted to creating more convincing neo veganas and more effective boner pills.
Is this anything different from current animal experimentation? If it's already bad enough doing it to what is technically an undeveloped clump of cells, isn't it much worse with a living, breathing creature that has some self-awareness?
I don't mean you don't have a point. Knowing humanity it will only lead to manmade horrors beyond a normalgay's comprehension. I only mean to say that we crossed that ethical bridge a long time ago.
This is the ultimate result of Knowledge without Wisdom. This is what happens when you refuse to believe the spirit is separate and wholly distinct from the flesh body it inhabits. Life on this material plane as a human is lacking so they end up using logic and technology as a cudgel to try to cope with their shit existence. If you love being human you inevitably become inhuman.
Frick ethics and morals amirite? Like if life wasn't horrible enough, let's grow life in a tube just to see what happens.
Just because they are neurons doesn't mean they're sentient or aware
Imagine being so much of a moron you can't even see where this is going >it's OK guys it's not really a brain it's only 1000 neurons that's all >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain! >10 years later.. >so what if it's has the complexity of 100 human brains combined relax it's not really alive its grown in a lab see?
i will take the opposite tack.
nothing we know about digital neural networks excludes them from being alive the same way we are
>Why don't you ask based Elon to drill a hole into your skull already?
I'm getting chipped as soon as it's publicly available, b***h. I'll show up to team meetings with my Isekai RPG stats gui to make the best use of my teammates. Get with the times b***h.
What else am I doing with it?
Maybe I'll teach Skynet what good taste in anime is.
The future will be entirely informed by my personal love for Franken Fran and Ghost in the Shell.
Not even if the brain has been created artificially? I guess the definition of artificial gets kind of confusing here. Everything artificial is made up of natural components. Is a brain grown "organically" through man-made means "artificial"?
All this shit is bullshit, like the rat brain that supposedly controls a little robot. They use the neurons as a medium to carry signals, but they’re just running a program. It’s like tech illiterates confusing hardware and software.
I was referring to the sensationalized and wholly inaccurate representation of it. Obviously. What’s worse is the researchers encourage this because science is mostly a scam for funding now.
Most researchers hate this stuff as much or more than anyone else. Primarily because of the dishonesty and sensationalism, and secondarily because people like you accuse them of being greedy frauds over it. They don't have any real ability to prevent pop-science columnists from printing shit like this.
>They don't have any real ability to prevent pop-science columnists from printing shit like this.
Why not just make their own layman magazine? They already have to write super long papers describing their entire experiment, why can't they make a condensed version for laymen and publish that in their own magazine?
True, the neurons aren't learning to do this by actually 'seeing' the screen and responding to it.
They're being given stimuli they like or dislike according to certain impulses and trained in an abstract way to respond.
Like they're not playing Pong!, they're responding to stimuli that make them like it when they move in front of the 'ball' when it approaches by encouraging them to fire signals that are linked to certain actions on the computer. And they're given negative stimuli when the other side scores to encourage them to pursue that positive stimuli.
There is no comprehension or learning and the neurons don't know what they're actually doing.
Nope. We've recently discovered how to train them like AI. This video goes more into it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw
(Also the fact that any dumbfrick can grow their own brain now is kinda crazy)
It's so fricking freaky to consider the idea of consciousness growing incrementally and considering what the experience of the different stages could feel like. It's so much simpler to imagine consciousness is either on or off, if it's on you're like us and other fully-formed animals, and if it's off you're dead or inanimate. Shit like this freaks me out though. He is literally conditioning neurons with subjective stimuli i.e. pleasant and unpleasant noises. Does this mean it's consciously experiencing that stimuli?
Tangentially related to this is a documentary I saw the other day on YouTube called something like "The man with the 7 second memory". Dude had his hippocampus destroyed by herpes and has been living with no working memory for decades. It hurts my brain to try to imagine what his conscious experience is like. He can walk around, talk, make cups of coffee, play the piano, etc. He can even hold a brief conversation, in other words his procedural memory is fine. But it seems from how he describes it that he has no imagination and no episodic memory. He can't remember anything from his past or picture anything in his mind's eye. He can't imagine the smell or sight or sound of anything, and every time he talks to someone he says "you're the first human being I've ever met". Somehow he knows what humans are and what they look like, but he won't be able to tell you how he knows that because he doesn't recall ever seeing one before now. If you ask him if he likes coffee, he knows that he does, but he doesn't know what it tastes like because he never tasted it. He can't tell you where the coffee is in the house because he can't conjure the imagination. Yet he can get up and make one, taste it, and enjoy it as he's drinking it.
Here's the raw bombshell paper, which explains how it all works.
https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(22)00806-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0896627322008066%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
This is very much real. They've started their own company. This is the future of artificial intelligence. It seems scary to you because it crosses boundaries that you thought were impassable. But in a decade or two from now, lab grown brains will be "normal" to us.
>Kagan, Brett J. >Kitchen, Andy C. >Tran, Nhi T. >Habibollahi, Forough >Khajehnejad, Moein >Parker, Bradyn J. >Bhat, Anjali >Rollo, Ben >Razi, Adeel >Friston, Karl J.
Whites are finished
Also they dont explain how they link the cells to game so thats seems kinda fishy
>It's so fricking freaky to consider the idea of consciousness growing incrementally and considering what the experience of the different stages could feel like. It's so much simpler to imagine consciousness is either on or off, if it's on you're like us and other fully-formed animals, and if it's off you're dead or inanimate. Shit like this freaks me out though. He is literally conditioning neurons with subjective stimuli i.e. pleasant and unpleasant noises.
This is the most long winded description of "growing up" I've ever read.
Life is meaningless and therein lies the beauty. All of us are just an accident, a random occurance void of substance. Oblivion is waiting for all of us. There is no afterlife. Any meaning to life is given by yourself, and this meaning is much more legitimate than anything any god could impose upon you, because as far as we know, we are the highest consciousness in this lovely beautiful shithole of time and space. You make your own meaning.
Life is meaningless and therein lies the beauty. All of us are just an accident, a random occurance void of substance. Oblivion is waiting for all of us. There is no afterlife. Any meaning to life is given by yourself, and this meaning is much more legitimate than anything any god could impose upon you, because as far as we know, we are the highest consciousness in this lovely beautiful shithole of time and space. You make your own meaning.
The meaning of life is to procreate. It's obvious if you look at nature for any period of time.
What I'm saying is that you're both objectively failures.
My gift to industry is the genetically engineered consumer, or Gamejack. Specially designed for gaming, the gamejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
>We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
>Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7 >Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467 TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED
In a diary, like the post you replied to, logging >February 2nd, 2024
is much more soulful than >2024.02.02
because it’s more human to ‘live in the month’ rather than year. You write the month first, you remind yourself that you’re in October, and you think about halloween and how the end of the year is approaching, that next month is November, etc
You log ‘2024.02.02’ instead and the first thing coming to your mind is “Oh it’s 2024”, over and over again until the next year. You’re not thinking about festivities at all. It’s the most boring way to write a journal entry because it sparks nothing within you. Unironically the AI would be more genius to start with the month rather than year.
The definition of "alive" and "dead" in many jurisdictions is based on whether their heart is beating. Neuron clumps don't have a heart in the first place, ergo not alive. This applies to a fetus too, whereby as soon as it has a detectable heartbeat the rules regarding abortion change.
That's 99% of "news" now. Journalists don't actually go out on site to take photos and interview people, they just sit at home scrolling through Twitter until something interest pops up, at which point they regurgitate it verbatim. Then everyone points to the news article as evidence that what's happened must be true.
The spread of false and low quality information is incredible nowadays. Just look at the Justin Mohn case going on. Crazy kid holds up a fake severed head claiming it's his father's in a youtube video, and suddenly every single news outlet is reporting his words as if they're true. You can buy those fake heads online for a couple hundred dollars.
There will come a day when the chair you sit reshapes itself to your ass as it's a human, the desk on which your PC rest on will be able to change it's size as needed since it's a human, the PC will be a human managing various hardware for you and smacking it so it stop fricking around will work as it's a human as well
And I can't wait for these days
>You will live in a reality where your grandchildren or great grandchildren will live in a hellscape brought about by the unholy union of flesh and metal, having to deal with superpowered freaks, cyborg nutjobs, and god knows what else.
All those books, movies, and games weren't meant to be real man.
>when someone tells you to "grow a brain"
manmade horrors etc etc
Frick ethics and morals amirite? Like if life wasn't horrible enough, let's grow life in a tube just to see what happens.
No one cares luddite. I want to be able to go into Skyirm VR and speak to the npcs without dialogue boxes.
>Frick ethics and morals amrite?
Look mom I'm pretending to care.
You deserve to be waterboarded daily for the rest of your life
Least hypocritical moralist.
The bad deserve to be punished or they'll do more bad. Morality 101. Post nose, you won't.
what happened to those ethics and morals?
Just because they are neurons doesn't mean they're sentient or aware
Imagine being so much of a moron you can't even see where this is going
>it's OK guys it's not really a brain it's only 1000 neurons that's all
>it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain!
>it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain!
>it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain!
>it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain!
>it's OK guys we only added 10 neurons to our previous iteration it's not like suddenly it's a living brain!
>10 years later..
>so what if it's has the complexity of 100 human brains combined relax it's not really alive its grown in a lab see?
Why should I care?
You can decide not to care if it hurts your tiny little brain just don't pretend it's OK because "it's just couple of neurons and not an actual brain" as if we not all know exactly where this is going.
Why should I care if it IS an actual brain?
You're so much of a moron I'm starting to doubt you have an actual brain. Kys. I'll let someone else explain to you moron I don't care enough.
Must suck being THIS autistic
You tries to sound smart but ended up a complete moron so now you try to wear me down with your extreme stupidity to feel like you've won some imaginary argument.
But there's no argument you're just a moronic homosexual and the more you try the dumber you look.
You guys should get a room I think
I literally just got here lmao buttblasted
Sounds to me you need a lil butt blasting from your gayolo homosexual homie in this thread
You're the one who keeps bringing up sex with men and fantasizing about it
I mean its plain to see, you're a gay
NTA but you are pretty fricking moronic if you cant extrapolate to its logic conclusion and see the horror of it
logical*
Maybe he can see the "horror" but doesn't care because the "horror" doesn't apply to him.
Maybe life as we know it has desensitized the modern man to man-made horrors to the point where a literal human brain trained to play pong is not an inherently horrible/terrifying concept to your run-of-the-mill midwit.
you are not real
you're just a brain in a jar. everything you feel is a work of fiction and falsehood
lol
imagine caring this hard about shit you have zero control over, and conflating this pointless exercise as a demonstration of your godlike intellect
He probably thinks he’s smarter than the biologists who grew the brain lol
Why should you care about anything? Why should you care about people being murdered, innocent civilians being kidnapped and tortured as POWs, children being struck with horrific and incurable terminal illnesses? You shouldn't. There is no should in core ethics, what you do or don't care about is personal to you. But if your sense of empathy and ethics is the same as mine in that you care about those things, it makes sense that you should care about this too.
i don't think the average Ganker user cares about murder or genocide.
>anon discovers the slippery slope fallacy in real time
>anon still thinks that slippery slope is a fallacy
Remember 20 years ago how people thought gays would want to bring their shit into elementary schools and media said they were crazy?
>fallacy
its in the name
Literal npc brain
based free thinker repeating what someone else told you
What are you even talking about?
>horse armor DLC is a slippery slope? fallacy, the gaming industry wont ever become riddled to the brim with microtransactions for the dumbest things
>giving every moronic chilld and normie access to the internet via smartphone is a slippery slope? nonsense, fallacy. online places of discussion won't become completely unusable and ban evasion won't become an unfixable problem. furthermore, injecting these creatures into the digital userbase totally won't frick the entire vidya industry due to the primary target demographic turning into mouthbreathers
It may have been a fallacy 30 years ago but in today's world it's not a fallacy because society has now devolved in such a way that people will ALWAYS attempt to lower the bar further and further, bit by bit. Society's devolution IS one big slippery slope and anything bad that happens, will happen to a worse degree next year.
I hereby introduce the "fallacy fallacy". have a nice day btw. Only cutting your fricking shiteating NPC head off your torso can fix the world.
what the frick do you know? we don't understand anything about our sentience- if there were ever a place it would reside you'd think it WOULD be in the neurons you fricking moron
The brain has like 100 billion neurons Anon
Maybe yours 😉
>he's never noticed that his sense of experience stems from his nose cartilage
bluepilled
your gut have a much bigger impact on your conscience than you think.
There's more cells inside you that are not inherently part of you than the other way around.
You are host to more living things than you yourself are composed of.
It's cutting shit too close and this is far more likely to accidentally create sapient machines than those dipshit theft algorithms midwits dick suck.
>Frick ethics and morals amirite?
Yea, that's some good shit, can't wait until I'm running around in living cancer bio-armor and fighting off shoggoths created by man's hand
When are you gonna start campaigning for the rights of teratomas? Luddites are some of the most moronic people out there. Rather than actually comprehend the danger of widespread surveillance and algorithms that can determine whether or not you're problematic to the state with reasonable accuracy, you instead choose to whine and cry about trannies and neurons in vats.
Yes, I want scifi tech in my lifetime
How is this unethical or immoral? You are clutching pearls over some cells made from skin. You probably cause more harm every time you scratch your balls.
>inb4 IT JUST IS
This performative morality is so fricking ridiculous.
Your existence is the result of several of your ancestors saying frick ethics and morals.
Yeah, frick being able to cure mental moronation and brain damage! The real moral outrage is how much funding is being diverted to creating more convincing neo veganas and more effective boner pills.
The real red pill is that sperm banks are used to clone children for Epstein dungeons.
>Frick ethics and morals amirite?
Owning electronics is unethical, why are you posting on Ganker?
Is this anything different from current animal experimentation? If it's already bad enough doing it to what is technically an undeveloped clump of cells, isn't it much worse with a living, breathing creature that has some self-awareness?
I don't mean you don't have a point. Knowing humanity it will only lead to manmade horrors beyond a normalgay's comprehension. I only mean to say that we crossed that ethical bridge a long time ago.
This is the ultimate result of Knowledge without Wisdom. This is what happens when you refuse to believe the spirit is separate and wholly distinct from the flesh body it inhabits. Life on this material plane as a human is lacking so they end up using logic and technology as a cudgel to try to cope with their shit existence. If you love being human you inevitably become inhuman.
i will take the opposite tack.
nothing we know about digital neural networks excludes them from being alive the same way we are
Apart from the fact that they're not able to be alive, yeah.
Them not being able to think is a pretty big exclusion.
>He cannot comprehend these horrors
You need to study more
HOLY SHIT I CANT WAIT TILL THIS REVOLUTIONIZES AI
Of course the frog posting midwit is enthusiastic and entertained. Why don't you ask based Elon to drill a hole into your skull already?
>Why don't you ask based Elon to drill a hole into your skull already?
I'm getting chipped as soon as it's publicly available, b***h. I'll show up to team meetings with my Isekai RPG stats gui to make the best use of my teammates. Get with the times b***h.
You missed the obvious sarcasm and shitpost vibes, Black
Why do you want your brain to be hacked into?
Why don't you?
What else am I doing with it?
Maybe I'll teach Skynet what good taste in anime is.
The future will be entirely informed by my personal love for Franken Fran and Ghost in the Shell.
*Injects you with MRNA and hacks you*
What's the problem, luddite bro?
If its an actual brain in the jar, it isn't artificial intelligence.
Not even if the brain has been created artificially? I guess the definition of artificial gets kind of confusing here. Everything artificial is made up of natural components. Is a brain grown "organically" through man-made means "artificial"?
>the flesh is wea-
It’s still artifice/artificial moron
If it's living tissue, how is it artificial? You fricking moron.
It isn't evolving/progressing naturally, you moron. It is artificial. We are using artifice to mold it.
let me PvP it
All this shit is bullshit, like the rat brain that supposedly controls a little robot. They use the neurons as a medium to carry signals, but they’re just running a program. It’s like tech illiterates confusing hardware and software.
So it's not bullshit, and is used for practical reasons and is an evolving technology.
I was referring to the sensationalized and wholly inaccurate representation of it. Obviously. What’s worse is the researchers encourage this because science is mostly a scam for funding now.
Most researchers hate this stuff as much or more than anyone else. Primarily because of the dishonesty and sensationalism, and secondarily because people like you accuse them of being greedy frauds over it. They don't have any real ability to prevent pop-science columnists from printing shit like this.
You’re naive.
>They don't have any real ability to prevent pop-science columnists from printing shit like this.
Why not just make their own layman magazine? They already have to write super long papers describing their entire experiment, why can't they make a condensed version for laymen and publish that in their own magazine?
True, the neurons aren't learning to do this by actually 'seeing' the screen and responding to it.
They're being given stimuli they like or dislike according to certain impulses and trained in an abstract way to respond.
Like they're not playing Pong!, they're responding to stimuli that make them like it when they move in front of the 'ball' when it approaches by encouraging them to fire signals that are linked to certain actions on the computer. And they're given negative stimuli when the other side scores to encourage them to pursue that positive stimuli.
There is no comprehension or learning and the neurons don't know what they're actually doing.
Nope. We've recently discovered how to train them like AI. This video goes more into it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw
(Also the fact that any dumbfrick can grow their own brain now is kinda crazy)
You’re a rube.
>no sources
Frick this israelitetube infotainment slop
It's so fricking freaky to consider the idea of consciousness growing incrementally and considering what the experience of the different stages could feel like. It's so much simpler to imagine consciousness is either on or off, if it's on you're like us and other fully-formed animals, and if it's off you're dead or inanimate. Shit like this freaks me out though. He is literally conditioning neurons with subjective stimuli i.e. pleasant and unpleasant noises. Does this mean it's consciously experiencing that stimuli?
Tangentially related to this is a documentary I saw the other day on YouTube called something like "The man with the 7 second memory". Dude had his hippocampus destroyed by herpes and has been living with no working memory for decades. It hurts my brain to try to imagine what his conscious experience is like. He can walk around, talk, make cups of coffee, play the piano, etc. He can even hold a brief conversation, in other words his procedural memory is fine. But it seems from how he describes it that he has no imagination and no episodic memory. He can't remember anything from his past or picture anything in his mind's eye. He can't imagine the smell or sight or sound of anything, and every time he talks to someone he says "you're the first human being I've ever met". Somehow he knows what humans are and what they look like, but he won't be able to tell you how he knows that because he doesn't recall ever seeing one before now. If you ask him if he likes coffee, he knows that he does, but he doesn't know what it tastes like because he never tasted it. He can't tell you where the coffee is in the house because he can't conjure the imagination. Yet he can get up and make one, taste it, and enjoy it as he's drinking it.
The only thing he is “conditioning” is morons like you into believing any slop put in front of you. It’s a computer program, dummy.
Here's the raw bombshell paper, which explains how it all works.
https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(22)00806-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0896627322008066%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
This is very much real. They've started their own company. This is the future of artificial intelligence. It seems scary to you because it crosses boundaries that you thought were impassable. But in a decade or two from now, lab grown brains will be "normal" to us.
>Yes I think that a brain fused to circuitry is safe to subjugate and will never resent people for creating it.
>Kagan, Brett J.
>Kitchen, Andy C.
>Tran, Nhi T.
>Habibollahi, Forough
>Khajehnejad, Moein
>Parker, Bradyn J.
>Bhat, Anjali
>Rollo, Ben
>Razi, Adeel
>Friston, Karl J.
Whites are finished
Also they dont explain how they link the cells to game so thats seems kinda fishy
This is just pavlovs dog but in a jar.
Good to see Neurology is finally catching up lmao
>growing brains in a jar - ok
>making sex robots - not ok
Why?
>It's so fricking freaky to consider the idea of consciousness growing incrementally and considering what the experience of the different stages could feel like. It's so much simpler to imagine consciousness is either on or off, if it's on you're like us and other fully-formed animals, and if it's off you're dead or inanimate. Shit like this freaks me out though. He is literally conditioning neurons with subjective stimuli i.e. pleasant and unpleasant noises.
This is the most long winded description of "growing up" I've ever read.
>2078
>I am now a retired man, living a peaceful life in the countryside.
>My wife has gone to bed and I am sat watching Amazon®FireTelevision©
>See my grandchild's console by the TV
>Remember all those times playing video games as a young man.
>The console looks alien and strange to my old brain.
>Decide to give this a go to see what all these new games are about
>Press the power button
>Suddenly a little dish pops out
>The console begins to spin like crazy and electrical sparks are flying out
>A single cell is dispensed into the dish and begins to multiply at an incredible pace
>Before my own eyes in just a matter of seconds the cell turns into a familiar shape of an embryo
>The cell keeps growing, a horrible stench fills the room as harsh chemicals spray from the disk tray
>The embryo transforms into a most horrifying homunculus about 6 inches tall.
>It lies there naked in fetal position, gasping and wheezing for air.
>I stare at it frozen in horror
>Suddenly this hellish spawn opens it's tiny eyes and looks directly at me
>Suddenly he starts speaking
>"You are standing in a forest. To the East is a small house. To the North is a path out of the forest. What do you do?"
fricking videogames
Kill jester
So, Existenz?
time is a flat circle
play Zork
I get ye flask from Dennis.
Sentience, and by extension life, has no intrinsic value
prove me wrong
Life is meaningless and therein lies the beauty. All of us are just an accident, a random occurance void of substance. Oblivion is waiting for all of us. There is no afterlife. Any meaning to life is given by yourself, and this meaning is much more legitimate than anything any god could impose upon you, because as far as we know, we are the highest consciousness in this lovely beautiful shithole of time and space. You make your own meaning.
The meaning of life is to procreate. It's obvious if you look at nature for any period of time.
What I'm saying is that you're both objectively failures.
why is there no video? show me the video.
We Galerians now?
>2021
>phoneposter
frick you have a nice day
My gift to industry is the genetically engineered consumer, or Gamejack. Specially designed for gaming, the gamejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
You can't make me play video games
>A few human brain cells in a petri dish is still better than AI.
Human chads, WE ARE BACK!
Will eating this improve my IQ?
It can't hurt
>We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
>Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
>Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467 TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED
>%d%m.%Y format instead of %Y%m%d
Lmao at this inefficient logging system, what a moronic ai.
In a diary, like the post you replied to, logging
>February 2nd, 2024
is much more soulful than
>2024.02.02
because it’s more human to ‘live in the month’ rather than year. You write the month first, you remind yourself that you’re in October, and you think about halloween and how the end of the year is approaching, that next month is November, etc
You log ‘2024.02.02’ instead and the first thing coming to your mind is “Oh it’s 2024”, over and over again until the next year. You’re not thinking about festivities at all. It’s the most boring way to write a journal entry because it sparks nothing within you. Unironically the AI would be more genius to start with the month rather than year.
The definition of "alive" and "dead" in many jurisdictions is based on whether their heart is beating. Neuron clumps don't have a heart in the first place, ergo not alive. This applies to a fetus too, whereby as soon as it has a detectable heartbeat the rules regarding abortion change.
I bet if you look this up it'll turn out to be bullshit.
That's 99% of "news" now. Journalists don't actually go out on site to take photos and interview people, they just sit at home scrolling through Twitter until something interest pops up, at which point they regurgitate it verbatim. Then everyone points to the news article as evidence that what's happened must be true.
The spread of false and low quality information is incredible nowadays. Just look at the Justin Mohn case going on. Crazy kid holds up a fake severed head claiming it's his father's in a youtube video, and suddenly every single news outlet is reporting his words as if they're true. You can buy those fake heads online for a couple hundred dollars.
Journalist should hang.
I mean you're partially right but
>Justin Monh
He's not a kid and he actually decapited his dad.
So when can I get a human brain chip powered GPU?
lab grown brain cells are better at pong than I am.
>human brain cells learn to play Pong faster than AI
AI techbros been REAL frickin' silent after this news dropped...
Did you know Pong gets its name from ping pong?
Well Im guessing it does thanks to my supercomputer brain-cell based cpu brain.
biological neural networks are pretty neat
lmao, we will get those robobrain robots from fallout, can't wait for the man made horror we will create
>they can only call you luddite
Not all progress is good otherwise youre on the side of transformers
conservatives will shut this down soon because it weakens their prolife stance
There will come a day when the chair you sit reshapes itself to your ass as it's a human, the desk on which your PC rest on will be able to change it's size as needed since it's a human, the PC will be a human managing various hardware for you and smacking it so it stop fricking around will work as it's a human as well
And I can't wait for these days
Like the Giger version of flinstones?
>Eh, it's a living
>and smacking it so it stop fricking around will work as it's a human as well
Only interested if it yelps Kyah~ when I hit it.
A lot of fatherless people in this thread. Prolly for abused by your single mothers and now wanna pass on those pent up feelings to someone else ;(
Good morning brown sir we are being the goods people yes? The bad sirs don't do the needful.
So I was right
isnt this extremely immoral? what happens when their jar brain grows a conciousness? what if it already has one? this is really freaky
We will have to ask the brain if its ok with it and then we will know if its moral or not. It might be totally cool with it.
Eh, who cares, mold has consciousness too and we don't really care
This dude is giving is brains eyes :^)
What the frick... as a gamer this is going to make me completely obsolete... I'll be a burden on society....
Sigh
Humanity is doomed
Anyway…
for frick's sake
>he tried to warn us
He actually tried to kill you
im gonna grow my own ai waifu harem and no token limit or propietary software is gonna take it away from me
Good luck, friend.
You am play gods
No control nature
What race are the brain cells
I'm literally writing a book about this hypothetical scenario and it starts becoming reality.
This feels fake. Why would a a bunch of neurons play pong?
My wife, Stellar Blade
>ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asr6_eNCuoU
>You will live in a reality where your grandchildren or great grandchildren will live in a hellscape brought about by the unholy union of flesh and metal, having to deal with superpowered freaks, cyborg nutjobs, and god knows what else.
All those books, movies, and games weren't meant to be real man.