I suspect for marketing's purposes having a simple bold and difficult to misinterpret name is similar. Its so simple and easy more people will recognize it. Might be combined with fashion trends as well. So design specifications and optimization procedures as well.
Fricking boring though.
Only GW and few of the other biggest players. The small and self-made stuff is comfy and the middle sized (aka above carage level operators) can't afford to be as greedy.
The difference between TG and the Video games industry is that you can forever make new content for systems long after it stops getting new books. Not many vidya can hold that
>everyone talks about hives and bugs as if they were bad >currently getting into beekeeping, and capturing ant queens to make ant hives
haha y-yeah, bugs are bad and stuff
Shit, I would breath some chlrorine in a trench full of corpses for a qt 314 2d waifu. I'm not moving a finger against the ruskies for some cal arts mutt.
I had it explained to me by a marketing/designer friend that logo design these days is optimized to be readable in small fonts because people will be looking at your logo on a phone. According to her if you want to do anything fancy in marketing these days you have to be in packaging design or whatever. The rest is just shifting taste which could very well shift again.
I can actually explain this one, a lot of companies these days use the same software to design their logos, which leads to them looking all the same-ish vs back when they had to hire designers to make their logos.
It's just trends within design that changes like fashion. Right now and for the past 10 years it's been minimalism and "clean and sleek designs" that are increasingly in vogue. It's pretty easy to notice when you've done stuff like web design, where at some point you wanted side bars, then suddenly side bars bad, you gotta have top bars, with drop down, drop downs are fancy, then drop downs bad but top bar still good, for a while gradients were cool until they were not, fancy effects on letters were cool until they were not. It's generally a bunch of fads built on a mix of consultants selling bullshit to dudes in suits and someone stumbling over easy ways of doing design tricks or doing actual development and then everyone copying them because it's easier than having to actually know what you're doing or because one guy in a suit saw something that looked cool and just told the guys below him "I want that".
The shit in this thread is some babby's first conspiracy tier shit. This isn't some big conspiracy to hide that the emperor's not wearing any clothes, people don't talk about it because he never did.
You're a dumb frick. The implication isn't that it's a deliberate push to uniform design, it's that it's a sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity
Merely that it has a specific, unique aesthetic. Globalism is anti aesthetic, and pro utility, thus, the mundane and *very* readable logos that other anons posted above
I hate to tell you this schizo, but different people from different eras like different things. What you may find to your liking could be considered tacky or cheesy by today's standards.
Now, the reasonable approach to this is to accept that opinions can differ, and that you ought to seek out things that please you, or even better, create such materials yourself. If you really felt so strongly, you could create an online publication in the style of old white dwarfs, focused on games, miniatures and what have you. You could find other like minded people and make something that genuinely makes you happy, and possibly even change people's opinions on the style of magazine.
But sure, cry about new WD for the billionth time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol, and your calling me schizo? way to miss the point moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you realize how fricking insane you sound? Just do something productive with your life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Loser response, classic
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'll leave you to your schizo screaming about globalism then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What are you even trying to say homosexual?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's trying to say "let people enjoy things", which is the rallying cry of the twitter-brained morons that defend corporations and try to justify their bad tastes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As opposed to what? "NOO! STOP ENJOYING THINGS!"?
Don't like it, don't buy it, lol. If you don't like capitalism, start a revolution to gdt that totalitarian utopia of yours.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's "no, stop accepting bad things". You have the right to demand better quality instead of letting governments and corporations tell you to accept mediocrity or worse.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hey, schizo, in that case, why don't you make content yourself? If you don't want corporations and governments giving you bad quality content, why don't you make that content yourself?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or we just let nuGW rot and give money to people who deserve it. There's no need for anyone here to build alternatives as alternatives already exist. People don't want to have to switch, but are getting tired of how GW is handling things in the current era.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What is your major malfunction?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If people accept mediocre stuff, what right do you have to tell them to stop? Offer better alternative or frick off. You're like an old lady.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or just not consume the mediocre product moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You're schizo not me! >Let me babble on for sentences about my made up impression of your psyche
Meds
2 years ago
Anonymous
That homosexual has his head firmly buried in the sand
Doesn't need to be a conspiracy to see, "designed by committee based on focus group testing to appeal to the widest (blandest) possible audience," and dislike it.
Man, I wish globohomosexual was like this today. The most depressing part is that once upon a time, people could see two men engaging in these kinds of affectionate endeavours without accusing them of being gay.
Yes? The more homophobic a (sub-)culture, the more serious the accusation of being gay is and the less frivolously it is being thrown around. Notice that the countries that execute homosexuals are the same countries where men greet eachother with a kiss.
This whole pride thing has ruined everything. Now you can't even kiss your homies goodnight without being labeled as somesort of a queer and put into the LGBT box. Can't a man love another man (no homo) without having labels thrusted upon him?
2 years ago
Anonymous
In case you haven't figured it out yet, ruining things is the point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's a reason pride is one of the 7 deadly sins.
It's funny that you posted that along with your post, as socialist realism was essentially the designed by committe and pushed on creative minds trash of it's time. It enjoyed at most a decade of artistic innovation before it was the Soviet mandated bland and formulaic art everyone under their influence was forced to utilize, deviating from which was badwrongfun at best and counter revolutionary at worst.
You're a dumb frick. The implication isn't that it's a deliberate push to uniform design, it's that it's a sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity
That's an issue of the world getting smaller and the dudes in suits comparing fonts with other dudes in suits on the opposite end of the globe. The "sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity" is borderline uselessly vague complaint equating visual design trends with shit like
[...]
It's all so tiresome. I'm so fricking tired of it, bros. Everything is just a global, soulless hive. I want it to end.
and
>Tell me how communism or any competitor wouldn't have semiconductors made in china for dirt cheap.
Because that's literally not how it works, you dumb frick.
My country was producing all its electronics on its own. Crappy, behind the tech curve by about 7-10 years, but "our own". For three-fold goal: having an electronics industry by itself, giving jobs to specialists in related fields and to not spend hard currency on things that can and should be made at home.
The related company (or rather - conglomerate of companies) went almost entirely out of business once the political system was changed, since within 3 years the market was absolutely flooded with countless Chinese, Korean and Taiwanese businesses. Extra irony for then the Koreans buying out all the remaining companies and turning them into their subsidiaries, but at tenth of employment and just using them to make sub-contracts for a sub-contractor.
. You're cramming a bunch of at best tangentially related shit together.
>That's an issue of the world getting smaller and the dudes in suits comparing fonts with other dudes in suits on the opposite end of the globe. The "sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity" is borderline uselessly vague complaint >And that's a good thing!
You're a dumb frick. The implication isn't that it's a deliberate push to uniform design, it's that it's a sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity
It's not a conspiracy, the driving force is the political climate which is demanding sanitized, minimalist art to appeal to what they perceive as a global demographic. This is what drives the corporate art style and what is rightfully lambasted as the globohomosexual style.
You can just see the thought process >It looks good but will it offended the Chinese, the LGBTQ+, feminists, the blacks, the Latinx, the Indigenous, the disabled, soccer moms, muslims, israelites, white people, rastafarians, pederasts, furrys, or anyone with a social media account? If that's a maybe then we can't use it, people like grey like?
>Make the models very buys, very specific and impossible for all but the most determined and skilled hobbyists to kitbash >Make the logos so easy a child could read them
It's a paid for catalogue in the era of the internet. White Dwarf has been peak Paypig for more than a decade. I say that as someone who loved them as a kid and still enjoys the scans people put up in the old hammer thread. It's legacy tech at this point.
I remember being a kid and going to a game store to paint a free Space Marine. While sitting around I decided to thumb through a White Dwarf because I thought it was one of those advertising catalogues that they give out for free, almost immediately one of the workers come up to me and say that I must pay for it if I want to read it and I'm genuinely shocked over the thing being a payed magazine and not a catalogue.
I dislike everything about nuGW and still continue to buy old models from my youth. Just today I scored 10 pre-Kasrkin stormtroopers, a Coteaz+retinue, and a metal priest+servo skull. That said, although I yearn daily to retvrn to 3rd-5th edition 40k era, I will occasionally buy new GW stuff. It doesn't hit the same at all but it's a neat hobby in general.
But I will demand that GW goes back to being like it was 1999-2012 every day of my life. Everyone who works for nuGW lacks the knowledge and creativity required to make GW games good. They're all unoriginal hacks who simply iterate upon popular culture rather than unoriginal hacks who iterate upon unpopular subcultures. 40k is all about enjoying shitty stuff made cool, and shouldn't be about shitty popular stuff made more lame.
Also, current year GW has too much of a focus on non-whites and troons. Get them out of the hobby please!
>They're all unoriginal hacks who simply iterate upon popular culture rather than unoriginal hacks who iterate upon unpopular subcultures. 40k is all about enjoying shitty stuff made cool, and shouldn't be about shitty popular stuff made more lame.
the gospel
How is this Globalism’s fault, and not capitalism? Because the left looks like a product made by people who care about the game/community, while the right looks like it’s advertising disguised as a magazine.
It's easier to create a boogieman and blame all of your problems on it than to evaluate the actual sources of of your issues.
t. someone who thinks that globally homogenized culture devised in the board rooms of multinational corporations sucks and supply chain capitalism is a disaster waiting to happen (or more accurately, is currently happening) but isn't going to shake his fist at a cloud with "globalism" written on it like it's some hack political cartoon when the format of a magazine cover gets streamlined.
no self awareness on capitalism but i generally agree but i think it's more to do with the slurry of post enlightenment thinking. the universal man, the new man a cog in a machine. replaceable parts for a replaceable age
How is this Globalism’s fault, and not capitalism? Because the left looks like a product made by people who care about the game/community, while the right looks like it’s advertising disguised as a magazine.
>capitalism
bruh the thing started under capitalism you can have a company that's dedicated to the hobby i think it''s just against the nature of the beast now
no self awareness on capitalism but i generally agree but i think it's more to do with the slurry of post enlightenment thinking. the universal man, the new man a cog in a machine. replaceable parts for a replaceable age
[...] >capitalism
bruh the thing started under capitalism you can have a company that's dedicated to the hobby i think it''s just against the nature of the beast now
The problems do arise from Capitalism though. All the decisions that make the company more money at the cost of the health of a hobby/game and its community are Capitalism. Like micro-transactions and loot boxes in video games, new booster types in MtG, or price hikes on new worse models (e.g. a squad of 8 was $40 and comes with two spurs of bits, now the new squad of 8 is $55 with very few bits, to customize your guys you need to buy the bits box for $20). None of it is good for consumers but it increases revenue that quarter.
How is this Globalism’s fault, and not capitalism? Because the left looks like a product made by people who care about the game/community, while the right looks like it’s advertising disguised as a magazine.
Globalism IS capitalism. Naive idealists wanting to erase borders so they can hold hands and sing kumbaya are way less influential than capital attempting to break into new markets.
It literally does in the forms of tariffs and national industry protection laws.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If the capitalist class is in service to the state, is it really capitalism at that point?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>global supply chains but with taxes
That's just different groups of capitalists jockeying for power in a globalist system.
Pure sophistry, tariffs disprove outright the concept of capitalism only being globalist. This is getting offtopic and Im not going to argue with communists that water can be frozen too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol, not a commie moron. I'm defending nationalism from morons like you who don't understand it. Capitalism is necessarily globalist
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tariffs, you are wrong and an ideologue using political activist definitions to obscure yourself, move on, etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is so reductive, like this is high school econ bs
2 years ago
Anonymous
You failed it, which is why I have to now explain that triangles arent all red, they can be blue or green or other colors.
[...] >yeah all our semiconductors are being made in china by people being paid a dollar an hour...but we tax them! based nationalism! commies owned!
Speaking of definitions, what do you think globalism means?
Tell me how communism or any competitor wouldn't have semiconductors made in china for dirt cheap.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You aren't explaining shit, moron. You're repeating the same banal bullshit from your first post
2 years ago
Anonymous
>dodging the question
You can't define globalism or nationalism, because you don't know what either is, so of course this is going in circles
I can define capitalism without using the concepts of globalism easily. You are just braindead morons that can't seperate nations from economic systems
2 years ago
Anonymous
Go ahead and do it then. Define capitalism, nationalism, and globalism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Capitalism: Industry and businesses in a nation are privately owned
Nationalism: Advocacy for ones own nation and people first
Globalism: Operating in a global or multinational manner
Capitalism can be used by both groups.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your definitions of globalism and nationalism are more compatible than your definitions of nationalism and capitalism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you're a myopic tard, who can't see how definitions evolve with time. Capitalism is completely inseparable from globalism in the relevant context. You're talking as if nations exist in a vacuum
2 years ago
Anonymous
you have actually proven, several times, that you cannot
2 years ago
Anonymous
>dodging the question
You can't define globalism or nationalism, because you don't know what either is, so of course this is going in circles
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm getting strong molymeme vibes
2 years ago
Anonymous
>for dirt cheap.
You've already rationalized undercutting your own people and industry to make money as inevitable, you're a globalist through and through.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I already stated tariffs and national industry protection exists and fascist/third position ideologies implement these as well and commies will just ban outside trade outright, look everyone can be nationalist, try again moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
We already have tarrifs on imports so I guess we're all nationalists now and can go back to enjoying white dwarf. BASED taxes on the foreign slave labor have saved the nation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice moronic strawman dude
So you're a myopic tard, who can't see how definitions evolve with time. Capitalism is completely inseparable from globalism in the relevant context. You're talking as if nations exist in a vacuum
>Definitions change
I don't care what commie bullshit you come up with, you're incapable of making any logical arguments beyond appeals
2 years ago
Anonymous
Capitalism: Industry and businesses in a nation are privately owned
Nationalism: Advocacy for ones own nation and people first
Globalism: Operating in a global or multinational manner
Capitalism can be used by both groups.
Did you know that capitalism now is different than it was 100 years ago and a 100 years before that, different again? I feel like we're talking to John Locke
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tell me how communism or any competitor wouldn't have semiconductors made in china for dirt cheap.
Because that's literally not how it works, you dumb frick.
My country was producing all its electronics on its own. Crappy, behind the tech curve by about 7-10 years, but "our own". For three-fold goal: having an electronics industry by itself, giving jobs to specialists in related fields and to not spend hard currency on things that can and should be made at home.
The related company (or rather - conglomerate of companies) went almost entirely out of business once the political system was changed, since within 3 years the market was absolutely flooded with countless Chinese, Korean and Taiwanese businesses. Extra irony for then the Koreans buying out all the remaining companies and turning them into their subsidiaries, but at tenth of employment and just using them to make sub-contracts for a sub-contractor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>My country wasted time making inferior shit so a few people wouldn't have to find jobs elsewhere
Ok, that has nothing to do with the conversation though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>its more efficient for people to find new jobs, learn to code!
You're a globalist. You don't understand what globalism is beyond it being a word for bad things that your side isn't supposed to like, but you're a globalist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Telling a nation to not waste money is globalist
What moronic strawman arguement is this? If the tech was the same or better but more expensive thats one thing, but decade behind is objectively a waste of time
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're focused on maximizing system efficiency using global trade and brushing off the domestic consequences of job losses. This isn't a strawman argument, this is literally what you said. You're a globalist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, Im saying a Nation thats making stuff they can't sell isnt moving in its best interests to continue doing so. Also woth global supply disruptions it can make sense if you at least can make something competitive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they're not selling globally this just isn't competitive they can't live without being able to sell iphone 20s
You're literally incapable of thinking outside the framework you claim you're against. Hilarious.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I literally just made an argument why making inferior products could potentially be beneficial. You are a loon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeap, he's an immoral pos
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're outing yourself as an immoral piece of shit, we'll done globecuck
2 years ago
Anonymous
If a filthy commie is pissed off Im doing something right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>commie ad hominem
The ultimate goal of communism is globalism, nice self own
2 years ago
Anonymous
The word globalism has melted your brain. You are as much of a globalist as I am if you're going to be so weird and lax with it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol, so what's the ultimate goal of communism moron? It's literally in the manifesto
2 years ago
Anonymous
So communism is globalism, capitalism is globalism, everything but destroying your economy with subsidies on failing industries is globalism. Great conversation...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>wow? participating and competing in a global economy at the expense of your own population is globalism? I guess everything is!
2 years ago
Anonymous
You cant define globalism
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Globalism is the codependency of states economies with the end goal of eradicating borders and thusly facilitating trade monopolies for powerful companies
Here is the capitalist version of globalism
2 years ago
Anonymous
Whats your definition? Im bored of these silly strawmen you come up with, stop hiding behind fake people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So Disney and McDonald's aren't ubiquitous? Interesting that you live under a rock. I'm sorry that what's happening to the world isn't written in a handy manifesto written by some israelite with an axe to grind
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nazi Germany traded with other Axis powers, I don't know how deep down into babbys first third position pill you are, but you're clearly still in the newbie phase.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you're saying that the axis trading with other axis powers is the same 2022 capitalism?
Fricking hell
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're not escaping trade global routes komeraden, your choice on who runs them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We are already heading back into multipolar trade. The Chinese Russian block is evidently becoming separated from the American leviathan. So no, globalism is not an inevitability, you're either black pilled or ignorant
2 years ago
Anonymous
You mean China is trying to take over global trade routes. If you don't control them another nationalist nation will. Globalism always serves a nation first and the rest second.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Theres zero difference as money going to Japanese oil hurts German oil alternatives
2 years ago
Anonymous
To play the devil's advocate, he's not wrong. Free trade is globalism in effect, meaning that if you oppose "globalism" in general (which is a really broad term) you advocate its diametric opposite: autarky.
That's not what most opponents of "globalism" advocate, they advocate for what I would dub "responsible globalism" in which the country only participates in global free trade in as far as it is beneficial. This could range from not outsourcing certain industries that are deemed of vital interests to the state (see: France and nuclear energy) to punishing corporations that move jobs abroad so they can pay lower wages (see: Trump punishing corporations that wanted to move to Mexico). Even the most fringe anti-globalist politicians in those countries don't want to shut down global free trade entirely, they all want their blue jeans to be produced in Bangladesh because the alternative is way too expensive (Pewdiepie once made a video responding to allegations that he's overpricing his merch to exploit his fanatical fanbase, he explained that his shirts are so expensive because they're produced in Canada for ethical reasons and they'd probably be a tenth of the price if they were produced in China).
2 years ago
Anonymous
>in which the country only participates in global free trade in as far as it is beneficial
This is a baby's definition of nationalism. It's just quibbling over the margins and tarrif rates. >even the most fringe still want slave labor clothes
Right, it's all globalism with aesthetic differences and picking winners and losers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>slave labor
You're talking about actual slavery or just sweatshops?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Both
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tariffs, you are wrong and an ideologue using political activist definitions to obscure yourself, move on, etc.
>yeah all our semiconductors are being made in china by people being paid a dollar an hour...but we tax them! based nationalism! commies owned!
Speaking of definitions, what do you think globalism means?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>everyone who disagrees with me is a commie
This is why we’re in this mess to begin with
2 years ago
Anonymous
Amen
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Everything wrong with my hobby is capitalism
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Like how is capitalism ruining your hobby dude just don't buy shit lmao like play with homemade models and rules lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why do people, always, without fail, say stupid shit like this?
>every individual can just ground up build a lore heavy hobby, design and cast plastic hifi models
I just don't understand how there are so many people that imply such moronic shit?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that many, and isn't it obvious why?
Think about it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If the product sucks dont buy it, buy an alternative. Thanks to capitalism theres plenty of people who will work for money and give you something you like.
2 years ago
Anonymous
True, but it is a primitive reasoning, you do realize?
Why'd you even bother saying that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Less primitive than feeling entitled to minis, a game system and lore, some hings that were made by people expecting to get paid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That depends. Not all feel entitled, some legitimately feel distraught about seeing beloved stories degrade.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You never owned these stories, they were written by people for money.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stories aren't owned.
When you hear a tale about some legendary hero that you like, it remains itself as are one's own reasons for liking it.
When things become corrupted, at times deliberately, it is unpleasant, and what can be called as "canon consensus", changes, until people are no longer on the same page.
Whether or not some people get paid for artistry is irrelevant here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Write your own story or read the old story instead of getting mad forever that a profit driven company that frequently changes writers isn't consistent with your tastes
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fricking cancerous mindset.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Spending your whole life crying on the internet that people more creative than you won't spoon feed you content is cancerous
2 years ago
Anonymous
What is this leap? I don't spend frick all time on here moron. You, however, post c**ty bullshit because you lack sentimentality. You lack authenticity
2 years ago
Anonymous
You lack authenticity if you need GWs stamp of approval to enjoy something despite none of the original artists or writers still working there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>choosing the create instead of consoom >cancerous mindset
2 years ago
Anonymous
I would kinda agree with you if we lived in a world with sensible copyright duration, but as it is you are legally barred from creating
2 years ago
Anonymous
IP exists with books and novels, you are wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If they're part of a protected IP, they legally are. Again you're blaming the player and not the game.
Legal abstractions only work as long as they are recognized.
But those abstractions aren't the abstractions of causality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can make up fanction on the Imperium, but you don't own the IP so its not official GW lore, the lore you loved. Do you like a good story or are you just upset corporate shills don't shill minis in the way that got you to consume product?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't have any problems with the corps, I just don't like when people degrade over time and drag their stories with them, it's sad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was always a story to sell toys, yeah the new He man sucks too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just because it sells, doesn't mean it ought to be bad.
Star Wars was fun, and large revenue contributed to the quality, allowing to utilize better technological means, making games, and so on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If it sells, is it "bad" or not for you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Depends on what sells, but in this thread's case, it's "not".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why do you idiots come to /tg/, a board about creative hobbies and telling your own stories, to complain about movie franchises? Frick off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He'd rather waste time waxing philosophical about how GW has to be ethical about appealing to grogs instead of painting models, because he's a nomodels nogames secondary that doesn't even recognize the hobby.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Corps are made from those people, you utter moron. No corporation does anything by itself, it's not a physical entity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Obviously, but people can corrupted deliberately on one hand, and original vision can in fact be preserved, because creation of stories, miniatures and so on is a process that has names behind it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
"Original vision"? It's fricking Warhammer 40 000, not Dante's Inferno.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, it's Warhammer 40 000, it is what it is because it has what makes it itself, it's right in the name.
Is it unbelievable to you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's unbelievable to me that /tg/ has been overrun by schizo ESL consoomers who thing all franchises should be static content pipelines to shovel trash into their mouths forever
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's quite a logic jump. You aren't arguing with your own presumed strawmen, are you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If they're part of a protected IP, they legally are. Again you're blaming the player and not the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. The only way to own stories is to claim them for yourself. But these moaners don't have a creative bone in them, so all they can do is b***h about it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You aren't owning anything, because original authorship and canons of proper creation are ultimately irreplaceable, regardless of talent.
It's just fanfiction.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lmao, it's all made up. Take your meds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are made up as well. Take your own advice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, the only thing I am absolutely sure about is my own existence. If you claim that I am merely your hallucination, meds might not be enough for you anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Canon isn't real moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then nothing is real, and everything is a farce.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>then nothing is real
Correct. Space marines aren't fricking real idiot. You can tell whatever the hell story you want about them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its always the uncreative who blame the global supply chains and economics for this shit, they don't realize that you can just take ideas yourself and make meaning. If you like 3rd, play 3rd, read 3rd ed friendly lore, etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>some feel legitimatley distraught that the new advertising for GWs toy soldiers isn't as good as the old advertising for GWs toy soldiers
Sad way to live
2 years ago
Anonymous
No more so than any other type of rot. Things just keep on piling up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>global supply chains but with taxes
That's just different groups of capitalists jockeying for power in a globalist system.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I did 8values test and it says nationalist capitalism is a thing!
>artstyle changes over the decades >artists change over ther decades >new generation of customers bring new tastes
Explain how globalism plays into this. You arent a culture warrior gay, are you?
You used to get fricking blueprints for the shit they didn't sell, and encouragement of technique and philosophy that didn't directly benefit them. Calling the modern version "still pretty decent" is a full-on insult.
>encouragement of technique and philosophy that didn't directly benefit them
You still get guides on how to build your own terrain, objective markers and convert shit. Even their Codices have guides on how to kitbash stuff that's missing official models.
Come on schizos, there is so much stuff you can rightfully hate GW for and yet you always decide to die on the most stupid hill around.
>Use Citadel brand basing material to really get that authentic feel! >Use Citadel brand paints to get that right color balance! Maximum pigment depth! More washes! >Use Citadel brand tools to shape that Citadel brand polystyrene you bought at 10x market rate into your optimal designs! Don't worry if you beans it, you can always buy more! >Use Citadel brand glue to o-
You missed the "didn't directly benefit them" bit. An ad for a product they don't sell using products they do sell is still an ad. See also: >kitbash
Whose kits are you bashing? Get fricked, have a Baneblade.
>Even their Codices have guides on how to kitbash stuff that's missing official models.
No they fricking don't you moron, do you mean codices from 2006? They long ago removed all options that don't have a currently available model
they aren't, the 1990s versions had free rules, scenarios, cutout terrain, free games, diy terrain and modelling guides, battle reports, fluff short stories, multiple games coverage etc
in the same mag gay. Do you get what i'm saying? i looked at the old mags i read in the 90s they have all these things in the SINGLE MAG.
They are proper hobby tomes.
Frick off trying to gaslight people that the post 2010 mags are anything like that they started becoming product catalogues in 4th edition 40k
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh okay, my bad dude
the mag I pulled only had 8/9 things you listed
your right, it's the globalist agenda
2 years ago
Anonymous
you are full of shit post the mag in question
2 years ago
Anonymous
every page? I don't want to get a copyright strike
2 years ago
Anonymous
haha hilarious say which one it is, so i can laugh at you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
issue 478
2 years ago
Anonymous
not even close frick off
2 years ago
Anonymous
k, im going to go watch astartes on warhammer+
have a good time watching ads on hulu or whatever the frick people of your income bracket do in your free time
2 years ago
Anonymous
we have sex
2 years ago
Anonymous
well anon, you're really missing out, this is a great issue of white dwarf
2 years ago
Anonymous
issue 478
oh okay, my bad dude
the mag I pulled only had 8/9 things you listed
your right, it's the globalist agenda
yes, that's why I just told you they still have those things, your insane
I just grabbed a random issue from this year off my shelf
free rules - yes
scenarios - yes
cutout terrain - yes
free games - yes
diy terrain - no
modelling guides - yes
battle reports - yes
fluff short stories - yes
multiple games coverage - yes
your just a poorgay who wont spend $10 per issue to buy into their ecosystem
you will not be missed
Don't mind me, just posting a far superior magazine with everything from battle reports to new scenarios, to rules to scratch building instructions, to ideas, to articles on relevant topics.
It retails for about half of the white dwarf too btw.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Looks pretty cool and for once a non-GW mag that isn't 95% WW2 stuff.
2 years ago
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don't you have a warhammer+ subscription? just log in and check it out.
2 years ago
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>warhammer+ sub
Wait, people actually fell for that scam?
Design is cyclical mate. In the 80s there was a pseudo-revival of 50s futurism in advertising. Give it ten more years and we'll circle back to the 90s jazzy designs and pastels.
Is it? Or are you basing cycles on the last 70 years of design trends, because I hate to break to you, graphic design has been around a lot longer than that
Yeah and GW went from rising stocks to falling, nothing new under the sun I get it. If GW wants endless change I hope they appreciate the change in revenue that goes along with other changes.
>Anyone who has any gripes with the globalization of the economy, the outsourcing of low education labor that comes with it and the homogenization of global culture (which includes but is not limited to Hollywood making/editing movies specifically to cater to China and the CCP's demands) is a Nazi
Twitter has rotted your brain and made you incapable of nuance, molding you into the perfect stooge for the status quo.
What am I suppose to be mad about again? Is this suppose to foretell the downfall of western society and white people because a magazine changed the font and layout on their magazine?
It's not the downfall of Western civilisation but more the tendency for corporations like GW to implement a process of Disneyfication where a product is made bland, safe, corporately inoffensive and "consumer friendly" despite it moving away from the image and culture that made the product popular to begin with. It is a sign that GW isn't a company full of hobbyist but a company full of corporate drones (lawyers and business degrees) that were trained to think a certain way but have absolutely no connection to the consumer or the product.
Whether you like it or not, the old GW style and presentation reverberated and connected with a lot of people. It helped a lot of people get through hard times in their life. When they see the souless corporatization of it that will ofcourse upset them. And ofcourse people will over-react emotionally and go fricking chicken little.
What it should mean is that it is obvious that GW doesn't value you, or anyone like us, and therefore shouldn't be getting your dollars and attention. But we've been making that point for 15 years and it hasn't made a difference.
Personally I look forward to the day Multinationals and corporates lose the strangle hold they have on culture and media which will allow creativity and innovation to once again thrive. It will happen, just not for a very long time.
So it's the existential dread of seeing change and hopelessly clinging to the "good ol days". At least you honestly admit that it's just irrational emotional outbursts over a corporate product from a corporate entity.
>Personally I look forward to the day Multinationals and corporates lose the strangle hold they have on culture and media which will allow creativity and innovation to once again thrive. It will happen, just not for a very long time.
And then someone else comes along and says the same thing you're saying about GW now about them. Life is an infinite, recurring circle. Just like how we have once vaunted companys like EA and Ubisoft who have gone to shit all the indies will eventually get that way when they get big enough, they just don't have the financial power to act as scummy as they can be or want to be.
I'm open to change, I welcome it. I am opposed to stagnancy, which is why I don't like Multinationals and Disneyfication and the stifling effect they have on creativity. It is not about the past for me, it is for some, change always happens and I'm cool with it as long as the change is neither damaging or limiting. I get that I won't be always be part of the target demographic, I understand a product may outgrow me or me outgrow it.
My fondness for the hobby was when older hobbyists gave me tips for gaming, taught me how to paint, encouraged my creativity, things which when I look back on had more to do with the interaction of being taught and encouraged and the satisfaction of getting better than any IP or product.
GW is actively discouraging this, to the point that a group of us who used to help teach young hobbyist how to paint minis and the different techniques were kicked out of our local GW store because we let the kids use our paints instead of making them buy there own. The overly designed minis are designed to make it harder to convert, the clip together ends up with everyone having the same minis, everything is being done to control the product and shut down hobbyist creativity. Its corporate 101, and it always makes whatever gets the treatment bland and bad.
GW has also trained their whales and fanboys well. If you complain how there's less kitbashing and customization options in new kits, they'll reference 1 or 2 kits that got twice as many heads vs their older kit and claim victory. Most models I just can't get into because I know they're basically just expensive monopose plastic without the soul of old pewter minis.
What I've gathered from this thread is that when people say they're against globalism they're not actually taking a political or economic stance they just mean they want white people in star wars again
You should be sentimental for real things and your own stories instead of being mad that a new set of writers thirty years later don't match the vision of the old writers
why does the troon squad seethe at grogs? grogs arent your enemy, grogs dont care by definition grogs are only interested in the old versions of things. The only people who hates grogs are GW because grogs don't buy new stuff.
>GW is left leaning
GW is "give me your fricking money" leaning, they'll say whatever they think will give them money.
is this how nazis are recruiting the youth? Using globalism as an excuse their precious warhammer is ruined
No, it's morons screeching about shit they barely understand and regurgitating talking points and premade meme responses without half of them even being able to actually elaborate on what the fricking problem is because they don't actually know. They just know there's a bunch of things they don't like so they assume it's all the same thing so they can have a simplified boogieman to complain about. Shut frick up about nazis, the people screeching about those are just the opposite side of the same coin as the one I just described.
I’m impressed two anons managed to keep this pointless thread alive for 200 posts by accusing each other of being mentally ill and obsessed about design choices.
I though it was more to advertise for a wider audience? Also less "horror" on the cover means american soccer moms and such might be less inclined to throw a fit and liken it to satanism
How old are you? These days moms would be afraid of racism or sexism or child grooming in their children's products, satanism is a boomer parent thing and they're dying or have adult children.
They really are simplifying everything
pic related. Many such cases.
In that case there's at least design specifications and optimizations that produces results like that.
rather like convergent evolution, huh?
I suspect for marketing's purposes having a simple bold and difficult to misinterpret name is similar. Its so simple and easy more people will recognize it. Might be combined with fashion trends as well. So design specifications and optimization procedures as well.
Fricking boring though.
Trust the HECKIN science
These are engineers not MBAs playing smoke and mirrors with shady products
>carcinisation.jpg
god i hate modern cars so much definition of soulless bug mobiles
SUVs.
There are still soulful cars out there, not many, but they exist
You got exactly what you deserved
:^)
Yikes, Burberry. Way to wreck any identity. Be discount Prada and Dior.
It's all so tiresome. I'm so fricking tired of it, bros. Everything is just a global, soulless hive. I want it to end.
Haha, I got more into traditional games recently, because this is how I feel about the video game industry. Is it really this bad bros?
It's all like this. Everything good must be defiled, everything homogenized and minted for profit, and it needs to be everywhere at all times.
Only GW and few of the other biggest players. The small and self-made stuff is comfy and the middle sized (aka above carage level operators) can't afford to be as greedy.
It is what you make out of it. But a GW store would be exactly like.
Traditional games are literally whatever you want them to be. If you don't like something just change it to something you do like.
The difference between TG and the Video games industry is that you can forever make new content for systems long after it stops getting new books. Not many vidya can hold that
First of all, nobody here is your "bro". Second, stay mad, zoomershit.
>stay mad
bruh, I ain't mad, 'ight?
>everyone talks about hives and bugs as if they were bad
>currently getting into beekeeping, and capturing ant queens to make ant hives
haha y-yeah, bugs are bad and stuff
It's all projection. Keep on buzzin. Bee yourself.
Bugs are fine when they're actually bugs
>tfw no designated role that I am physiologically adapted for by birth
It can't be so bad to have a purpose
Grief the server, brother
Left
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None of these changes elicit any sort of feeling from me negative or Positive. Am I not far enough on the spectrum or something?
We had Alphonse Mucha painting waifus on Moet & Chandon ads. What happened Marketingsisters?
During that period, our ancestors drew waifus for everything in order to sell stuff to males, including dying in the mud at the Somme.
Shit, I would breath some chlrorine in a trench full of corpses for a qt 314 2d waifu. I'm not moving a finger against the ruskies for some cal arts mutt.
They didn't actually provide waifus, just death.
I had it explained to me by a marketing/designer friend that logo design these days is optimized to be readable in small fonts because people will be looking at your logo on a phone. According to her if you want to do anything fancy in marketing these days you have to be in packaging design or whatever. The rest is just shifting taste which could very well shift again.
Its because all the big companies decided on simplified logos, its the Harvard effect, in this case gayMAN effect.
Yeah but the reason they went that way was to optimize for being viewed on a webpage.
gayMAN also owns what like 90% of all internet infrastructure? What they want and like heavily influences many other businesses.
Nah the main factor is really just smartphone screen sizes.
Boy, I'm sure mad about the fonts used by these brands I will never own.
>something unsettling happens to brands I don't care about - I sleep
>something unsettling happens to brand I do care about - REEEEE!
I can actually explain this one, a lot of companies these days use the same software to design their logos, which leads to them looking all the same-ish vs back when they had to hire designers to make their logos.
It's just trends within design that changes like fashion. Right now and for the past 10 years it's been minimalism and "clean and sleek designs" that are increasingly in vogue. It's pretty easy to notice when you've done stuff like web design, where at some point you wanted side bars, then suddenly side bars bad, you gotta have top bars, with drop down, drop downs are fancy, then drop downs bad but top bar still good, for a while gradients were cool until they were not, fancy effects on letters were cool until they were not. It's generally a bunch of fads built on a mix of consultants selling bullshit to dudes in suits and someone stumbling over easy ways of doing design tricks or doing actual development and then everyone copying them because it's easier than having to actually know what you're doing or because one guy in a suit saw something that looked cool and just told the guys below him "I want that".
The shit in this thread is some babby's first conspiracy tier shit. This isn't some big conspiracy to hide that the emperor's not wearing any clothes, people don't talk about it because he never did.
You're a dumb frick. The implication isn't that it's a deliberate push to uniform design, it's that it's a sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity
NTA but are you saying the old WHITE DWARF font was somehow specifically British while the new isn't? What's British about it?
>NTA but are you saying the old WHITE DWARF font was somehow specifically British while the new isn't? What's British about it?
It's ugly
You could say that, but it's an unmistakable logo, unlike nuwhite dwarf
tbh i just wanted to take a shot at the limeys, no actual beef with the logo
Merely that it has a specific, unique aesthetic. Globalism is anti aesthetic, and pro utility, thus, the mundane and *very* readable logos that other anons posted above
I hate to tell you this schizo, but different people from different eras like different things. What you may find to your liking could be considered tacky or cheesy by today's standards.
Now, the reasonable approach to this is to accept that opinions can differ, and that you ought to seek out things that please you, or even better, create such materials yourself. If you really felt so strongly, you could create an online publication in the style of old white dwarfs, focused on games, miniatures and what have you. You could find other like minded people and make something that genuinely makes you happy, and possibly even change people's opinions on the style of magazine.
But sure, cry about new WD for the billionth time.
Lol, and your calling me schizo? way to miss the point moron
Do you realize how fricking insane you sound? Just do something productive with your life.
Loser response, classic
I'll leave you to your schizo screaming about globalism then.
What are you even trying to say homosexual?
He's trying to say "let people enjoy things", which is the rallying cry of the twitter-brained morons that defend corporations and try to justify their bad tastes.
As opposed to what? "NOO! STOP ENJOYING THINGS!"?
Don't like it, don't buy it, lol. If you don't like capitalism, start a revolution to gdt that totalitarian utopia of yours.
It's "no, stop accepting bad things". You have the right to demand better quality instead of letting governments and corporations tell you to accept mediocrity or worse.
Hey, schizo, in that case, why don't you make content yourself? If you don't want corporations and governments giving you bad quality content, why don't you make that content yourself?
Or we just let nuGW rot and give money to people who deserve it. There's no need for anyone here to build alternatives as alternatives already exist. People don't want to have to switch, but are getting tired of how GW is handling things in the current era.
What is your major malfunction?
If people accept mediocre stuff, what right do you have to tell them to stop? Offer better alternative or frick off. You're like an old lady.
Or just not consume the mediocre product moron
>You're schizo not me!
>Let me babble on for sentences about my made up impression of your psyche
Meds
That homosexual has his head firmly buried in the sand
Doesn't need to be a conspiracy to see, "designed by committee based on focus group testing to appeal to the widest (blandest) possible audience," and dislike it.
Man, I wish globohomosexual was like this today. The most depressing part is that once upon a time, people could see two men engaging in these kinds of affectionate endeavours without accusing them of being gay.
Gay acceptance has ruined male friendships.
>"He not gay, he a singing man, Kathleen!"
>accused of being gay
>gay acceptance
Yes? The more homophobic a (sub-)culture, the more serious the accusation of being gay is and the less frivolously it is being thrown around. Notice that the countries that execute homosexuals are the same countries where men greet eachother with a kiss.
This whole pride thing has ruined everything. Now you can't even kiss your homies goodnight without being labeled as somesort of a queer and put into the LGBT box. Can't a man love another man (no homo) without having labels thrusted upon him?
In case you haven't figured it out yet, ruining things is the point.
There's a reason pride is one of the 7 deadly sins.
It's funny that you posted that along with your post, as socialist realism was essentially the designed by committe and pushed on creative minds trash of it's time. It enjoyed at most a decade of artistic innovation before it was the Soviet mandated bland and formulaic art everyone under their influence was forced to utilize, deviating from which was badwrongfun at best and counter revolutionary at worst.
That's an issue of the world getting smaller and the dudes in suits comparing fonts with other dudes in suits on the opposite end of the globe. The "sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity" is borderline uselessly vague complaint equating visual design trends with shit like
and
. You're cramming a bunch of at best tangentially related shit together.
>That's an issue of the world getting smaller and the dudes in suits comparing fonts with other dudes in suits on the opposite end of the globe. The "sickening unintentional process of global cultural homogeneity" is borderline uselessly vague complaint
>And that's a good thing!
This
That's not mutually exclusive with what he said
It's not a conspiracy, the driving force is the political climate which is demanding sanitized, minimalist art to appeal to what they perceive as a global demographic. This is what drives the corporate art style and what is rightfully lambasted as the globohomosexual style.
You can just see the thought process
>It looks good but will it offended the Chinese, the LGBTQ+, feminists, the blacks, the Latinx, the Indigenous, the disabled, soccer moms, muslims, israelites, white people, rastafarians, pederasts, furrys, or anyone with a social media account? If that's a maybe then we can't use it, people like grey like?
I hate minimalism so fricking much
>Make the models very buys, very specific and impossible for all but the most determined and skilled hobbyists to kitbash
>Make the logos so easy a child could read them
>that low-quality candid picture of people inside their LGS
SOVL
>Its not 60% women and racial minoroty actors pretending to play the game with models painted by some 40 year old pasty bong nerd
Take me back
It's a paid for catalogue in the era of the internet. White Dwarf has been peak Paypig for more than a decade. I say that as someone who loved them as a kid and still enjoys the scans people put up in the old hammer thread. It's legacy tech at this point.
I remember being a kid and going to a game store to paint a free Space Marine. While sitting around I decided to thumb through a White Dwarf because I thought it was one of those advertising catalogues that they give out for free, almost immediately one of the workers come up to me and say that I must pay for it if I want to read it and I'm genuinely shocked over the thing being a payed magazine and not a catalogue.
I dislike everything about nuGW and still continue to buy old models from my youth. Just today I scored 10 pre-Kasrkin stormtroopers, a Coteaz+retinue, and a metal priest+servo skull. That said, although I yearn daily to retvrn to 3rd-5th edition 40k era, I will occasionally buy new GW stuff. It doesn't hit the same at all but it's a neat hobby in general.
But I will demand that GW goes back to being like it was 1999-2012 every day of my life. Everyone who works for nuGW lacks the knowledge and creativity required to make GW games good. They're all unoriginal hacks who simply iterate upon popular culture rather than unoriginal hacks who iterate upon unpopular subcultures. 40k is all about enjoying shitty stuff made cool, and shouldn't be about shitty popular stuff made more lame.
Also, current year GW has too much of a focus on non-whites and troons. Get them out of the hobby please!
this is one of the best comment i've ever seen on this board
>They're all unoriginal hacks who simply iterate upon popular culture rather than unoriginal hacks who iterate upon unpopular subcultures. 40k is all about enjoying shitty stuff made cool, and shouldn't be about shitty popular stuff made more lame.
the gospel
i miss fantasy, and my fanciful wood elves. the old website with all of its hobby tutorials. :'(
How is this Globalism’s fault, and not capitalism? Because the left looks like a product made by people who care about the game/community, while the right looks like it’s advertising disguised as a magazine.
It's easier to create a boogieman and blame all of your problems on it than to evaluate the actual sources of of your issues.
t. someone who thinks that globally homogenized culture devised in the board rooms of multinational corporations sucks and supply chain capitalism is a disaster waiting to happen (or more accurately, is currently happening) but isn't going to shake his fist at a cloud with "globalism" written on it like it's some hack political cartoon when the format of a magazine cover gets streamlined.
no self awareness on capitalism but i generally agree but i think it's more to do with the slurry of post enlightenment thinking. the universal man, the new man a cog in a machine. replaceable parts for a replaceable age
>capitalism
bruh the thing started under capitalism you can have a company that's dedicated to the hobby i think it''s just against the nature of the beast now
Agreed.
The problems do arise from Capitalism though. All the decisions that make the company more money at the cost of the health of a hobby/game and its community are Capitalism. Like micro-transactions and loot boxes in video games, new booster types in MtG, or price hikes on new worse models (e.g. a squad of 8 was $40 and comes with two spurs of bits, now the new squad of 8 is $55 with very few bits, to customize your guys you need to buy the bits box for $20). None of it is good for consumers but it increases revenue that quarter.
Globalism IS capitalism. Naive idealists wanting to erase borders so they can hold hands and sing kumbaya are way less influential than capital attempting to break into new markets.
Yeap, this sums it up. morons talking about left/right paradigms like it's 20 years ago is also cringe
Nationalist Capitalism exists, shut up you sophomore
No it doesn't
It literally does in the forms of tariffs and national industry protection laws.
If the capitalist class is in service to the state, is it really capitalism at that point?
Pure sophistry, tariffs disprove outright the concept of capitalism only being globalist. This is getting offtopic and Im not going to argue with communists that water can be frozen too.
Lol, not a commie moron. I'm defending nationalism from morons like you who don't understand it. Capitalism is necessarily globalist
Tariffs, you are wrong and an ideologue using political activist definitions to obscure yourself, move on, etc.
This is so reductive, like this is high school econ bs
You failed it, which is why I have to now explain that triangles arent all red, they can be blue or green or other colors.
Tell me how communism or any competitor wouldn't have semiconductors made in china for dirt cheap.
You aren't explaining shit, moron. You're repeating the same banal bullshit from your first post
I can define capitalism without using the concepts of globalism easily. You are just braindead morons that can't seperate nations from economic systems
Go ahead and do it then. Define capitalism, nationalism, and globalism.
Capitalism: Industry and businesses in a nation are privately owned
Nationalism: Advocacy for ones own nation and people first
Globalism: Operating in a global or multinational manner
Capitalism can be used by both groups.
Your definitions of globalism and nationalism are more compatible than your definitions of nationalism and capitalism.
So you're a myopic tard, who can't see how definitions evolve with time. Capitalism is completely inseparable from globalism in the relevant context. You're talking as if nations exist in a vacuum
you have actually proven, several times, that you cannot
>dodging the question
You can't define globalism or nationalism, because you don't know what either is, so of course this is going in circles
I'm getting strong molymeme vibes
>for dirt cheap.
You've already rationalized undercutting your own people and industry to make money as inevitable, you're a globalist through and through.
I already stated tariffs and national industry protection exists and fascist/third position ideologies implement these as well and commies will just ban outside trade outright, look everyone can be nationalist, try again moron
We already have tarrifs on imports so I guess we're all nationalists now and can go back to enjoying white dwarf. BASED taxes on the foreign slave labor have saved the nation.
Nice moronic strawman dude
>Definitions change
I don't care what commie bullshit you come up with, you're incapable of making any logical arguments beyond appeals
Did you know that capitalism now is different than it was 100 years ago and a 100 years before that, different again? I feel like we're talking to John Locke
>Tell me how communism or any competitor wouldn't have semiconductors made in china for dirt cheap.
Because that's literally not how it works, you dumb frick.
My country was producing all its electronics on its own. Crappy, behind the tech curve by about 7-10 years, but "our own". For three-fold goal: having an electronics industry by itself, giving jobs to specialists in related fields and to not spend hard currency on things that can and should be made at home.
The related company (or rather - conglomerate of companies) went almost entirely out of business once the political system was changed, since within 3 years the market was absolutely flooded with countless Chinese, Korean and Taiwanese businesses. Extra irony for then the Koreans buying out all the remaining companies and turning them into their subsidiaries, but at tenth of employment and just using them to make sub-contracts for a sub-contractor.
>My country wasted time making inferior shit so a few people wouldn't have to find jobs elsewhere
Ok, that has nothing to do with the conversation though.
>its more efficient for people to find new jobs, learn to code!
You're a globalist. You don't understand what globalism is beyond it being a word for bad things that your side isn't supposed to like, but you're a globalist.
>Telling a nation to not waste money is globalist
What moronic strawman arguement is this? If the tech was the same or better but more expensive thats one thing, but decade behind is objectively a waste of time
You're focused on maximizing system efficiency using global trade and brushing off the domestic consequences of job losses. This isn't a strawman argument, this is literally what you said. You're a globalist.
No, Im saying a Nation thats making stuff they can't sell isnt moving in its best interests to continue doing so. Also woth global supply disruptions it can make sense if you at least can make something competitive.
>they're not selling globally this just isn't competitive they can't live without being able to sell iphone 20s
You're literally incapable of thinking outside the framework you claim you're against. Hilarious.
I literally just made an argument why making inferior products could potentially be beneficial. You are a loon.
Yeap, he's an immoral pos
You're outing yourself as an immoral piece of shit, we'll done globecuck
If a filthy commie is pissed off Im doing something right.
>commie ad hominem
The ultimate goal of communism is globalism, nice self own
The word globalism has melted your brain. You are as much of a globalist as I am if you're going to be so weird and lax with it.
Lol, so what's the ultimate goal of communism moron? It's literally in the manifesto
So communism is globalism, capitalism is globalism, everything but destroying your economy with subsidies on failing industries is globalism. Great conversation...
>wow? participating and competing in a global economy at the expense of your own population is globalism? I guess everything is!
You cant define globalism
>Globalism is the codependency of states economies with the end goal of eradicating borders and thusly facilitating trade monopolies for powerful companies
Here is the capitalist version of globalism
Whats your definition? Im bored of these silly strawmen you come up with, stop hiding behind fake people.
So Disney and McDonald's aren't ubiquitous? Interesting that you live under a rock. I'm sorry that what's happening to the world isn't written in a handy manifesto written by some israelite with an axe to grind
Nazi Germany traded with other Axis powers, I don't know how deep down into babbys first third position pill you are, but you're clearly still in the newbie phase.
So you're saying that the axis trading with other axis powers is the same 2022 capitalism?
Fricking hell
You're not escaping trade global routes komeraden, your choice on who runs them.
We are already heading back into multipolar trade. The Chinese Russian block is evidently becoming separated from the American leviathan. So no, globalism is not an inevitability, you're either black pilled or ignorant
You mean China is trying to take over global trade routes. If you don't control them another nationalist nation will. Globalism always serves a nation first and the rest second.
Theres zero difference as money going to Japanese oil hurts German oil alternatives
To play the devil's advocate, he's not wrong. Free trade is globalism in effect, meaning that if you oppose "globalism" in general (which is a really broad term) you advocate its diametric opposite: autarky.
That's not what most opponents of "globalism" advocate, they advocate for what I would dub "responsible globalism" in which the country only participates in global free trade in as far as it is beneficial. This could range from not outsourcing certain industries that are deemed of vital interests to the state (see: France and nuclear energy) to punishing corporations that move jobs abroad so they can pay lower wages (see: Trump punishing corporations that wanted to move to Mexico). Even the most fringe anti-globalist politicians in those countries don't want to shut down global free trade entirely, they all want their blue jeans to be produced in Bangladesh because the alternative is way too expensive (Pewdiepie once made a video responding to allegations that he's overpricing his merch to exploit his fanatical fanbase, he explained that his shirts are so expensive because they're produced in Canada for ethical reasons and they'd probably be a tenth of the price if they were produced in China).
>in which the country only participates in global free trade in as far as it is beneficial
This is a baby's definition of nationalism. It's just quibbling over the margins and tarrif rates.
>even the most fringe still want slave labor clothes
Right, it's all globalism with aesthetic differences and picking winners and losers.
>slave labor
You're talking about actual slavery or just sweatshops?
Both
>yeah all our semiconductors are being made in china by people being paid a dollar an hour...but we tax them! based nationalism! commies owned!
Speaking of definitions, what do you think globalism means?
>everyone who disagrees with me is a commie
This is why we’re in this mess to begin with
Amen
>Everything wrong with my hobby is capitalism
Yes.
Like how is capitalism ruining your hobby dude just don't buy shit lmao like play with homemade models and rules lol
Why do people, always, without fail, say stupid shit like this?
>every individual can just ground up build a lore heavy hobby, design and cast plastic hifi models
I just don't understand how there are so many people that imply such moronic shit?
Not that many, and isn't it obvious why?
Think about it.
If the product sucks dont buy it, buy an alternative. Thanks to capitalism theres plenty of people who will work for money and give you something you like.
True, but it is a primitive reasoning, you do realize?
Why'd you even bother saying that.
Less primitive than feeling entitled to minis, a game system and lore, some hings that were made by people expecting to get paid.
That depends. Not all feel entitled, some legitimately feel distraught about seeing beloved stories degrade.
You never owned these stories, they were written by people for money.
Stories aren't owned.
When you hear a tale about some legendary hero that you like, it remains itself as are one's own reasons for liking it.
When things become corrupted, at times deliberately, it is unpleasant, and what can be called as "canon consensus", changes, until people are no longer on the same page.
Whether or not some people get paid for artistry is irrelevant here.
Write your own story or read the old story instead of getting mad forever that a profit driven company that frequently changes writers isn't consistent with your tastes
Fricking cancerous mindset.
Spending your whole life crying on the internet that people more creative than you won't spoon feed you content is cancerous
What is this leap? I don't spend frick all time on here moron. You, however, post c**ty bullshit because you lack sentimentality. You lack authenticity
You lack authenticity if you need GWs stamp of approval to enjoy something despite none of the original artists or writers still working there.
>choosing the create instead of consoom
>cancerous mindset
I would kinda agree with you if we lived in a world with sensible copyright duration, but as it is you are legally barred from creating
IP exists with books and novels, you are wrong.
Legal abstractions only work as long as they are recognized.
But those abstractions aren't the abstractions of causality.
You can make up fanction on the Imperium, but you don't own the IP so its not official GW lore, the lore you loved. Do you like a good story or are you just upset corporate shills don't shill minis in the way that got you to consume product?
I don't have any problems with the corps, I just don't like when people degrade over time and drag their stories with them, it's sad.
It was always a story to sell toys, yeah the new He man sucks too.
Just because it sells, doesn't mean it ought to be bad.
Star Wars was fun, and large revenue contributed to the quality, allowing to utilize better technological means, making games, and so on.
If it sells, is it "bad" or not for you?
Depends on what sells, but in this thread's case, it's "not".
Why do you idiots come to /tg/, a board about creative hobbies and telling your own stories, to complain about movie franchises? Frick off.
He'd rather waste time waxing philosophical about how GW has to be ethical about appealing to grogs instead of painting models, because he's a nomodels nogames secondary that doesn't even recognize the hobby.
Corps are made from those people, you utter moron. No corporation does anything by itself, it's not a physical entity.
Obviously, but people can corrupted deliberately on one hand, and original vision can in fact be preserved, because creation of stories, miniatures and so on is a process that has names behind it.
"Original vision"? It's fricking Warhammer 40 000, not Dante's Inferno.
Yes, it's Warhammer 40 000, it is what it is because it has what makes it itself, it's right in the name.
Is it unbelievable to you?
It's unbelievable to me that /tg/ has been overrun by schizo ESL consoomers who thing all franchises should be static content pipelines to shovel trash into their mouths forever
That's quite a logic jump. You aren't arguing with your own presumed strawmen, are you?
If they're part of a protected IP, they legally are. Again you're blaming the player and not the game.
This. The only way to own stories is to claim them for yourself. But these moaners don't have a creative bone in them, so all they can do is b***h about it.
You aren't owning anything, because original authorship and canons of proper creation are ultimately irreplaceable, regardless of talent.
It's just fanfiction.
Lmao, it's all made up. Take your meds.
You are made up as well. Take your own advice.
No, the only thing I am absolutely sure about is my own existence. If you claim that I am merely your hallucination, meds might not be enough for you anymore.
Canon isn't real moron.
Then nothing is real, and everything is a farce.
>then nothing is real
Correct. Space marines aren't fricking real idiot. You can tell whatever the hell story you want about them.
Its always the uncreative who blame the global supply chains and economics for this shit, they don't realize that you can just take ideas yourself and make meaning. If you like 3rd, play 3rd, read 3rd ed friendly lore, etc.
>some feel legitimatley distraught that the new advertising for GWs toy soldiers isn't as good as the old advertising for GWs toy soldiers
Sad way to live
No more so than any other type of rot. Things just keep on piling up.
>global supply chains but with taxes
That's just different groups of capitalists jockeying for power in a globalist system.
>I did 8values test and it says nationalist capitalism is a thing!
>artstyle changes over the decades
>artists change over ther decades
>new generation of customers bring new tastes
Explain how globalism plays into this. You arent a culture warrior gay, are you?
Why yes, anon, defending the Good, the True, and the Beautiful is the core of the culture war.
yep i see the common problem in both your pics, Tau existing.
god, this board really is stuck in 2010.
Tau haven't improved since they were introduced.
Correct, they were great from the beginning.
I mean, the magazines are still pretty decent. Your paying $10 for a printed ad, but there is some half-decent short stories, and some fun hobby pics.
You used to get fricking blueprints for the shit they didn't sell, and encouragement of technique and philosophy that didn't directly benefit them. Calling the modern version "still pretty decent" is a full-on insult.
>encouragement of technique and philosophy that didn't directly benefit them
You still get guides on how to build your own terrain, objective markers and convert shit. Even their Codices have guides on how to kitbash stuff that's missing official models.
Come on schizos, there is so much stuff you can rightfully hate GW for and yet you always decide to die on the most stupid hill around.
you have no idea what you are talking about you idiot shill.
>Use Citadel brand basing material to really get that authentic feel!
>Use Citadel brand paints to get that right color balance! Maximum pigment depth! More washes!
>Use Citadel brand tools to shape that Citadel brand polystyrene you bought at 10x market rate into your optimal designs! Don't worry if you beans it, you can always buy more!
>Use Citadel brand glue to o-
You missed the "didn't directly benefit them" bit. An ad for a product they don't sell using products they do sell is still an ad. See also:
>kitbash
Whose kits are you bashing? Get fricked, have a Baneblade.
>Even their Codices have guides on how to kitbash stuff that's missing official models.
No they fricking don't you moron, do you mean codices from 2006? They long ago removed all options that don't have a currently available model
they aren't, the 1990s versions had free rules, scenarios, cutout terrain, free games, diy terrain and modelling guides, battle reports, fluff short stories, multiple games coverage etc
wait, what? they still have all those things, have you even looked at one before?
have you? they don't have all of it at the same time in one mag
It's night and day difference comparing their old mag to their newer stuff.
yes, that's why I just told you they still have those things, your insane
I just grabbed a random issue from this year off my shelf
free rules - yes
scenarios - yes
cutout terrain - yes
free games - yes
diy terrain - no
modelling guides - yes
battle reports - yes
fluff short stories - yes
multiple games coverage - yes
your just a poorgay who wont spend $10 per issue to buy into their ecosystem
you will not be missed
>poorgay
Yea, a poor person, a peasant, a plebian, a wagie. Now stop posting online and get back in the cagie.
in the same mag gay. Do you get what i'm saying? i looked at the old mags i read in the 90s they have all these things in the SINGLE MAG.
They are proper hobby tomes.
Frick off trying to gaslight people that the post 2010 mags are anything like that they started becoming product catalogues in 4th edition 40k
oh okay, my bad dude
the mag I pulled only had 8/9 things you listed
your right, it's the globalist agenda
you are full of shit post the mag in question
every page? I don't want to get a copyright strike
haha hilarious say which one it is, so i can laugh at you.
issue 478
not even close frick off
k, im going to go watch astartes on warhammer+
have a good time watching ads on hulu or whatever the frick people of your income bracket do in your free time
we have sex
well anon, you're really missing out, this is a great issue of white dwarf
Don't mind me, just posting a far superior magazine with everything from battle reports to new scenarios, to rules to scratch building instructions, to ideas, to articles on relevant topics.
It retails for about half of the white dwarf too btw.
Looks pretty cool and for once a non-GW mag that isn't 95% WW2 stuff.
don't you have a warhammer+ subscription? just log in and check it out.
>warhammer+ sub
Wait, people actually fell for that scam?
>people
>implying
for me it's wargames soldiers and strategy magazine
WD under Paul Sawyer was a golden era.
That fat bastard knew what was up and the team seemed to genuinly be having fun.
nu-40K is being contemporarily marketed culturally, non-confrontational, non-grotesque, non-violent, morally sterile, factionally ambiguous, generically styled "futurism".
tldr: warhammer+40k is becoming lego, playmobil, 5-11 age range of toy brands.
I hope you don't expect sympathy. Fantasy died for the sake of 40queers. I'll only laugh to see it go down in flames in turn.
I hate how the artwork is desperate to get that 3rd-5th edition grimdark feel but everything else just falls short.
They want to, but at the same time they also want that culturally homogeneous, sterile, morally neutral look, to appeal to all audiences.
Shouldn't the magazin be renamed to "LGTB+ Vertically Wise Person" any time now?
My opinion is you need to post a cooler cover to prove your point
I remember having that issue. Real blast from the past.
>it's another "I'm moronic and don't grasp that graphic design trends change over time" thread
I love you autists so much
>Design trends change over time
So does a Company's stock value, not all change is good nor is it equal.
Design is cyclical mate. In the 80s there was a pseudo-revival of 50s futurism in advertising. Give it ten more years and we'll circle back to the 90s jazzy designs and pastels.
Is it? Or are you basing cycles on the last 70 years of design trends, because I hate to break to you, graphic design has been around a lot longer than that
Advertising as a multi-billion dollar industry is a uniquely 20th century development anon
Point completely missed. You'll have to read back through the thread, I cbf going through it just to give context
Yeah and GW went from rising stocks to falling, nothing new under the sun I get it. If GW wants endless change I hope they appreciate the change in revenue that goes along with other changes.
Myopia is hell of a drug
People like you are why the npc meme exists
The word "ism" is a spell that you trick humans into saying to weaken their own spirit.
>I'm a free thinker unlike you!
Go say ism some more moron.
>me fink free
The proof is in the thread moron. I know you can't help it.
>if we didn't have "isms" we'd all be free!
SOVL vs souless.
>american complains that globalism is ruining his favorite british company.
This. Why aren't all you anti-globalist whiners making your own domestic 40k?
>dumb c**t no.6
>muh globohomo
Eat shit stormgay
Ywnbaw
>Anyone who has any gripes with the globalization of the economy, the outsourcing of low education labor that comes with it and the homogenization of global culture (which includes but is not limited to Hollywood making/editing movies specifically to cater to China and the CCP's demands) is a Nazi
Twitter has rotted your brain and made you incapable of nuance, molding you into the perfect stooge for the status quo.
It's a valid assumption when you take into account how one note storm-drones are.
As long as morons keep buying this stuff nothing will ever change
What am I suppose to be mad about again? Is this suppose to foretell the downfall of western society and white people because a magazine changed the font and layout on their magazine?
Anyone got that image with comparison of Egyptian hieroglyphs and their increasing degradation over centuries?
It's not the downfall of Western civilisation but more the tendency for corporations like GW to implement a process of Disneyfication where a product is made bland, safe, corporately inoffensive and "consumer friendly" despite it moving away from the image and culture that made the product popular to begin with. It is a sign that GW isn't a company full of hobbyist but a company full of corporate drones (lawyers and business degrees) that were trained to think a certain way but have absolutely no connection to the consumer or the product.
Whether you like it or not, the old GW style and presentation reverberated and connected with a lot of people. It helped a lot of people get through hard times in their life. When they see the souless corporatization of it that will ofcourse upset them. And ofcourse people will over-react emotionally and go fricking chicken little.
What it should mean is that it is obvious that GW doesn't value you, or anyone like us, and therefore shouldn't be getting your dollars and attention. But we've been making that point for 15 years and it hasn't made a difference.
Personally I look forward to the day Multinationals and corporates lose the strangle hold they have on culture and media which will allow creativity and innovation to once again thrive. It will happen, just not for a very long time.
So it's the existential dread of seeing change and hopelessly clinging to the "good ol days". At least you honestly admit that it's just irrational emotional outbursts over a corporate product from a corporate entity.
>Personally I look forward to the day Multinationals and corporates lose the strangle hold they have on culture and media which will allow creativity and innovation to once again thrive. It will happen, just not for a very long time.
And then someone else comes along and says the same thing you're saying about GW now about them. Life is an infinite, recurring circle. Just like how we have once vaunted companys like EA and Ubisoft who have gone to shit all the indies will eventually get that way when they get big enough, they just don't have the financial power to act as scummy as they can be or want to be.
I'm open to change, I welcome it. I am opposed to stagnancy, which is why I don't like Multinationals and Disneyfication and the stifling effect they have on creativity. It is not about the past for me, it is for some, change always happens and I'm cool with it as long as the change is neither damaging or limiting. I get that I won't be always be part of the target demographic, I understand a product may outgrow me or me outgrow it.
My fondness for the hobby was when older hobbyists gave me tips for gaming, taught me how to paint, encouraged my creativity, things which when I look back on had more to do with the interaction of being taught and encouraged and the satisfaction of getting better than any IP or product.
GW is actively discouraging this, to the point that a group of us who used to help teach young hobbyist how to paint minis and the different techniques were kicked out of our local GW store because we let the kids use our paints instead of making them buy there own. The overly designed minis are designed to make it harder to convert, the clip together ends up with everyone having the same minis, everything is being done to control the product and shut down hobbyist creativity. Its corporate 101, and it always makes whatever gets the treatment bland and bad.
GW has also trained their whales and fanboys well. If you complain how there's less kitbashing and customization options in new kits, they'll reference 1 or 2 kits that got twice as many heads vs their older kit and claim victory. Most models I just can't get into because I know they're basically just expensive monopose plastic without the soul of old pewter minis.
>NOOOOO GW DID THING ME DO NOT LIKE FREE MARKET BAD ME WANT GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OVER GW AND ASK ME TO RUN IT
What I've gathered from this thread is that when people say they're against globalism they're not actually taking a political or economic stance they just mean they want white people in star wars again
I think this person touches kids from what Ive gathered from his post.
There are two types in this thread
1.homosexuals who shit on sentimentality
2. People who are sentimental
You should be sentimental for real things and your own stories instead of being mad that a new set of writers thirty years later don't match the vision of the old writers
No homosexual. Because it's not just the hobby. It's a symptom of the general culture. Fricking idiot
Is this the grog thread?
why does the troon squad seethe at grogs? grogs arent your enemy, grogs dont care by definition grogs are only interested in the old versions of things. The only people who hates grogs are GW because grogs don't buy new stuff.
its ruined the hobby
is this how nazis are recruiting the youth? Using globalism as an excuse their precious warhammer is ruined
yes nazis were using warhammer to recruit youth, good work cia
>anyone who dislikes globalism is a nazi
5e filled this board with so many reddit gays it hurts
if you oppose macdonalds you are a nazi
why cant you nazis create your own based settings? Oh right you listened to your parents and got a real job.
Face it the people you hate are in charge of Games Workshop, Wizards, most table top companies are left leaning sweetie.
>implying i play any of the trash shit out by those 2
Nice bait anon but real based nazis dont play shit ass 5e, its the casual filter
ah yes a historical what do you play nazis? Romans? Fascists'?
Car Lesbians
There's an Utena tabletop game?
>no knowing about car lesbians
>GW is left leaning
GW is "give me your fricking money" leaning, they'll say whatever they think will give them money.
No, it's morons screeching about shit they barely understand and regurgitating talking points and premade meme responses without half of them even being able to actually elaborate on what the fricking problem is because they don't actually know. They just know there's a bunch of things they don't like so they assume it's all the same thing so they can have a simplified boogieman to complain about. Shut frick up about nazis, the people screeching about those are just the opposite side of the same coin as the one I just described.
>free thinking centrist
>nazis are just right wing sjws!
Maybe there's a very obvious trend and if you don't/can't recognize it you're burying your head in the sand
I’m impressed two anons managed to keep this pointless thread alive for 200 posts by accusing each other of being mentally ill and obsessed about design choices.
Imagine bumping the thread while complaining about it being pointless
Lol. Go look at the 2014-2016 era of White Dwarf.
What is wrong with you people
>Globalism is a conspiracy!
>corporate strangleholds are a conspiracy theory!
>I'm an ontological nihilist so nothing exists!
a lot of greentext, strawmanning, and exclamation marks back to back all of a sudden
Not sure what the problem is. I see improved graphic design.
I though it was more to advertise for a wider audience? Also less "horror" on the cover means american soccer moms and such might be less inclined to throw a fit and liken it to satanism
How old are you? These days moms would be afraid of racism or sexism or child grooming in their children's products, satanism is a boomer parent thing and they're dying or have adult children.
>satanism is a boomer parent thing and they're dying or have adult children
it literally still happens, anon.
You must be scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel of the satanic panic to be making that statement in 2022.
Comfy WD covers?
>WD not about warhammer
>Beautiful cover
I'm not saying anything, just pointing things out