left: innovative rpg combat, unique world that doesn't take itself seriously, appealing to kids and adults alike
right: same combat, forced reddit drama with a world that tries to be as wacky as Earthbound while taking itself seriously, only appeals to adults
The gritty nature shown in the M1 promos are my favorite part, they show the world kind of grey and gritty between all the commotion and bustle which is charmingly realistic and a respote from the zany occurrences of the game, especially how much the combat ramps up when you get to the swamp.
Mother 2 felt way more genuine and believable. Mother 3 tried to hard to force emotion, and it had annoying and very unsubtle anti-capitalist and anti-semitic messaging
He's right. Theres nothing wrong with tech, theres nothing wrong with luxury. Otherwise hotsprings wouldnt be everywhere. The problem Fassad introduced to Tazmilly was excess, growth and luxury without a check or cognizance how it affects the environment. Porky reflects this perfectly, he doesnt give a shit about the ecosystem, he just wants to make the wildlife "cooler". Literally the Happy Boxes didnt also need to introduce money and destroy the cooperative villiage structure Tazmilly had, but Fassad also encouraged that.
It isnt capitolism thats the problem, its the overabundance without regard for anything else.
3 has an exponentially better opening/conclusion but the in-between is a lot less consistently decent than earthbound. 3 still has a slight edge due to sprites and gameplay being slightly better at the cost of marginally worse pacing and music.
What the FRICK is wrong with being cynical? I'm so fricking tired of this meme that being a naive optimistic b***h is the best way to live. Diogenes didn't bow to fricking anybody and I'm tired of bowing down to happy morons. Explain the problem with cynicism or shut the frick up about it.
Cynisism is fine every once in a while, but like with everything is not the answer to all.
Bitch, you just read the Itoi Giygas anecdote and pretended to "get it". Media literacy my ass. Giygas doesn't even show up until the very end of the game.
Gigyas' influence was over everyone the entire game. Literally humans and animals subcoming to the indigo hue color is Gigyas. He's etherial for thr majority of the game.
If Mother 3 was fully realized it would not only be the crowning israeliteel of Mother but also the best JRPG ever created.
But, sadly, that's not the case so the clear answer here is Earthbound.
I enjoyed Earthbound's story more, but when I was younger I was bad at picking up on subtext. Mother 3 has an amazing story too, but there's much less room for speculation despite the loose definitions of the past and world after the game. A lot of Mother 1's content went over my head, and I had to read up on it to appreciate. I think Earthbound is the best, but it needed Mother 1 to make it the best. Gigyas as a character changes completley when you understand how he became the ultimate evil and the anguish he endured his entire life sandwhiched between the moments of peace and hope he believed he needed to and did reject to chase the path of false promise he believed.
Same with Mother 3. You need to understand the culture, envirnoment, and relationships Porky grew up with in order to appreciate how dark and fricked everything surround his tragic life is. You need to understand his definition of happiness is revolving around the perception of his perma child brain raised in materialistic America wanting things to go back to the way they were as much as possible, and when realizing that he can't and everything is fricked because he can never grow up, never had the ability to, and was mind raped by literally the forces of evil. He's traumatized and corrupted mentally but also clings to the only things his extremely limited world view defines as happy, the logical conclusion of what we manchildren would call the rose tinted goggles of nostalgia, but given to a man child who has all the power, influence, and technology to inact this hodgepodge world he calls a utopia. But the biggest kick is that he doesnt even give a frick about it, he already decided he was going to let the world burn anyway, because he doesnt care abiut anyone but himself, and he's ignorant to even that subject.
>Gigyas as a character changes completley
between games and may as well be a new distinct entity as the one in 1 is wholly resolved and the one in 2 would be unrelated entirely if the stories were actually trying to follow a canon instead of being a soft reboot
You Black folk rely on people to have only played Mother 2 and 3 and just taking your word on it being some underrated masterpiece. Meanwhile people who have actually played it know that 1 isn't even close to being the best in the series.
Mother 1's story is just random encounters every 2 steps. >inb4 just get the patch bro
If I need a patch to fix the game then it was shit to begin with. Mother 1 sucks, SMT1 sucks, old NES JRPGs suck, get with it.
Mother 1 is still the most important game for even starting the series, without Earthbound Beginnings you wouldn’t have the sequels, it deserves recognition and respect. Turning 35 years old, Happy New Year 2024!
M1 had the best atmosphere and arguably the best emotional moments but that's it
and even if we look past the overall lack of polish, M1 still lacked the cleverness and genuine substance of Earthbound for example
>M1 had the best atmosphere and arguably the best emotional moments but that's it
Two 8-year-olds doing ballroom dancing because they're in puppy love is cute, it's Peanuts, but it isn't 'emotional'.
You forgot "on what could be their last evening alive". And Teddy's sacrifice. And just about anything involving Mary and Giegue.
5 months ago
Anonymous
These Mother kids are constantly flirting with death. You're stretching big time by implying that they were in more mortal danger at that exact moment than ever before.
it doesn't need to have massive scope and implications to be a well-executed moment
also i wasn't even thinking about that moment specifically, the game is just emotionally charged throughout
>Paula can literally into the psychology of an old man
Way more characterization than your Peanuts shit, contrarian-kun.
what's with the weird Peanuts shade? It seems like such a weird thing to bait over. Peanuts is filled with strong emotional moments and characterization.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Name a single emotional moment in Peanuts. It's nothing but a horrible c**t fricking over Charlie at every turn. It's feminist.
5 months ago
Anonymous
the special with the little girl who gets leukemia
5 months ago
Anonymous
>feminist
5 months ago
Anonymous
That can't be real.
5 months ago
Anonymous
https://peanuts.fandom.com/wiki/April_1958_comic_strips
it's at the bottom
5 months ago
Anonymous
So why is every Peanuts special Lucy just shitting on Charlie non-stop?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Girls bully guys they like.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She specifically likes Shroreder. She shits on Charlie with no love in her heart. She's a feminist c**t.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Because it's funny
5 months ago
Anonymous
How many specials have you even seen? Because that's not even remotely true. Also, everybody shits on Charlie Brown. He's pathetic. He's also basically an anime harem protagonist. He has multiple girls fighting over him for some inexplicable reason.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>He has multiple girls fighting over him
Lucy doesn't like him. She likes Shroeder. She only shits on him because she's a feminist c**t, and so is Schulz.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Peppermint Patty and Marcie both like him and fight over him all the time. Lucy did like him in early strips. Lucy is also based off of Shulz's ex wife and she's characterized as a c**t. Why do you think that's feminist?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Why do you think that's feminist?
See
[...]
In fact, the main special is Charlie Brown winning the spelling bee, and Lucy becoming his ~~*agent*~~ and forcing him to beat himself up constantly. Frick her.
5 months ago
Anonymous
sorry but that makes no sense. How is that feminist? It's portraying Lucy in a negative light.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She gets away with it, and every other character is on her side, and not Charlie's.
5 months ago
Anonymous
she doesn't always get away with it. Often the characters realize they've treated Charlie Brown poorly and apologize by the end. It's also not about siding with Lucy, but against Charlie Brown. Because he's a loser. It's why we like him as an audience. He's a long suffering underdog.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Charlie is the loser, and as a kid siding with the loser is like talking to the homeless guy, you avoid on sight at all times.
5 months ago
Anonymous
But why is he a 'loser'? Why did a white man write a loser like this, owned by feminists? Seriously.
5 months ago
Anonymous
? The context I argue doesnt matter because tiny trifles happen all the time and haunt you for your social childhood. Maybe he farted in class, maybe he got caught picking his nose, maybe he cried once and everyone made fun of him. You know people who lived that experience because of 1 thing that happened when they were 5 and it stuck for probably 10 or so years.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>muh hypotheticals
have a nice day, israelite. Charlie doesn't deserve to be bullied, and Lucy deserves to be put in the same reeducation camp that millenial women will go to.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Did you miss thr word trifle? He doesnt deaerve to be bullied, kids are innocent buttholes and horrible. I think you need to calm down if you're assuming this much.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Frick you, israelite.
5 months ago
Anonymous
are you one of those guys who thinks that every protagonist has to be a gigachad who always succeeds at everything he does and everybody loves him? One of those people who thinks there's no point in seeing the main character fail? In that case, I get why you don't understand Peanuts at all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, but writing a protagonist simply to be shit on at all times, specifically by the opposite sex, is pure cuckoldry. Frick Schulz and frick you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you didn't even know about Peppermint Patty and Marcie thirsting over Charlie Brown, where is this sense of authority coming from, as if you know so much about it?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Schroeder is based for shitting on her every time while she remains simping for him eternally
5 months ago
Anonymous
That he is. As if he knows what a terrible c**t she is to his bro.
5 months ago
Anonymous
That he is. As if he knows what a terrible c**t she is to his bro.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why did Shulz write it this way? Protagonist is a giant pushover homosexual, and Shroeder is a gigachad? Is it just a self-insert?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>He has multiple girls fighting over him
Lucy doesn't like him. She likes Shroeder. She only shits on him because she's a feminist c**t, and so is Schulz.
In fact, the main special is Charlie Brown winning the spelling bee, and Lucy becoming his ~~*agent*~~ and forcing him to beat himself up constantly. Frick her.
5 months ago
Anonymous
that's Violet, not lucy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong.
5 months ago
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_(Peanuts)
5 months ago
Anonymous
I know who Lucy is, you gaslighting israelite. It's extremely telling that you have to resort to pretending it's a different character now.
5 months ago
Anonymous
the girl in
>feminist
is violet gray, not lucy van pelt
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm talking about the main girl in A Boy Named Charlie Brown and Snoopy Come Home. As far as I know, Violet isn't even named in those movies, if she's a character at all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
man I was friends with a girl like this back in middle school, her name was also Lucy funny enough. she was like asuka but a thousand times worse and she targeted me and me alone for some reason
frick that b***h, I don't care if she secretly liked me or whatever I hope she died of cancer
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5 months ago
Anonymous
Sally and Linus coping with the Great Pumpkin not appearing and wasting their Halloween
5 months ago
Anonymous
This is now a Peanuts x Earthbound crossover thread.
There’s also Queen Mary lamenting about raising Giegue after singing the 8 melodies to her, and Eve’s Death by that big robot boss in my pic related
5 months ago
Anonymous
And why am I supposed to care about some character from the distant past again? The game gave me no opportunity to get attached to her, or Giegue for that matter.
Compare that to Earthbound's final fight, where you wanted the kids so badly to succeed against a nigh invincible threat because you've been with them on the journey since the beginning. THAT is emotional.
>fun game with a dark final boss >40 hours of peak emotional slop
Yeah I'm going with Earthbound. Mother 3 is only liked because it's unavailable and has that "forbidden fruit" quality.
Mother 3 by far. Improved upon EB in every aspect, even the characters feel more like actual characters. I feel like anyone saying otherwise just thinks they look hecking badass because they hate anything remotely emotional in a videogame.
it's the exact opposite
3gays are dishonest posers thinking mother 3 is "deep" when the game features dogshit pacing, cringe social commentary advocating for luddism, an incoherent message which is at odds with itself, a nonsensical exposition dump that has nothing to do with anything, and hamfisted melodramatic slop
earthboundgays actually judge both games objectively and realize that earthbound is ironically the smarter and more mature game, simply because it understands subtlety and knows how to incorporate its themes subtextually without bashing them over the player's head
speaking as someone with serious trauma from growing up in a wannabe luddite household, i never really felt any of the kind of adversarial energy i usually get when i’m playing a game that advocates for puritanism, as an example
Itoi is a lefty, but he’s also a businessman and clearly loves the influence technology has had on society, which you can see in its influences (the entire Pigmask and Chimera force was inspired by Toy Story)
i wouldn’t sweat it
you're unironically outing yourself as a brainlet with zero media literacy
earthbound's themes explore childhood and how trauma is an inevitable part of the process of growing up
this message is presented metaphorically with giygas representing the trauma itoi himself experienced when he was a child
Bitch, you just read the Itoi Giygas anecdote and pretended to "get it". Media literacy my ass. Giygas doesn't even show up until the very end of the game.
false, i had no problems interpreting this while playing the actual game
reading the anecdote after the fact only confirmed my interpretation and the fact that i didn't need it proves you're just moronic
5 months ago
Anonymous
Sure thing, and I'm the emperor of Japan.
5 months ago
Anonymous
cope all you want
ness starts off with a homesickness mechanic, establishing him as a childish momma's boy despite his tough outer shell
the magicant section shows ness gaining some maturity as he conquers his inner world
the theme is cearly established and reinforced at this point, then giygas follows the natural progression
he appears as a child's perception of "adult" things that children can't comprehend. giygas's form and attacks are incomprehensible, his dialogue is nonsense yet it carries a vaguely sexual tone. this is no accident either
in summary, if you couldn't connect the dots then frankly you're a fricking idiot
it's like you've never had to do a book report in your life
sad state of education if you ask me
>power of innocence and obtaining maturity >evil and how man is tempted to give in to it >introspection aiding the soul in keeping on the track to good
Are you joking? It has plenty of theme
There's touching upon themes, and then there's exploring them. How does Earthbound explore the nature of temptation to evil? Sure, it shows that people succumb to it, but we don't even see the consequences. In Porky's case, not in the same game at least.
Ness and the gang are totally forgiving, because what Carpainter did if he had to answer to anyone else would be in a shitton of trouble, not like he isn't sad how much trouble he caused.
Lier X Agerate was consumed by greed that kept him digging, and it consumed his life. Monotoli fricked up and almost ruined a lot of relationships.
Mother I think wants to put so much emphasis on the fact that good people want to forgive and evil can be redeemed that it makes sense so many people who were bad selfishly or without thinking much, which is a problem still, are at the end of the day given another chance. Ness wants to forgive even Belch and Porky. That level of compassion is huge in a game all about soft, maternal energy
He's the only character who gets homesick showing that he's a true momma's boy, and Magicant gives a lot of insight about what goes inside his head, like the implication that he's aware that he should have treated Porky better as a friend, his fear of sexuality, as shown by some of the enemies you fight there, and the fact that he has to confront his own inner darkness at the end of the dungeon, showing that he's not just some generic good American boy.
That he's a pushover and wasn't actually entirely on board with the ~~*invasion*~~. Maybe you should get your head out of the gutter, israelite boy, before it gets you in trouble.
I had such a crush on Paula when I was younger. The "girl you meet when young that grows with you to be your romantic love" trope is something I appreciate.
A noticeable portion of the Earthbound fanbase has always been mad about Mother 1's existence.
If you could go back 15 or so years, you'd see just about everyone dismiss the game because it was too hard or too obscure and didn't have the same memetic popularity and zeitgeist as EB and Mother 3. A lot of people dismiss the story as being a rough draft of Earthbound despite that not being true, and there's still a large camp of people who will tell anyone interested in playing the game to do so with an easymode patch.
Mother 1 is basically hated because it's not Earthbound and Mother 3.
mother 3 is a better game but I could see people liking earthbound more because of the "atmosphere" or some shit. It's like twilight princess vs wind waker
Earthbound was the longer and arguably more fulfilling game, and it's most likely what people think of when they think "Shigesato Itoi", but Mother 3 is still one of my favorite games of all time. I've probably replayed it at least 7 times, and it's still just as good as it was when I first played it.
That final boss fight with the Masked Man still gets me to cry b***h tears.
I like Mother 3 a lot more, it was just a solid improvement in every area I care about. I liked the music more and there's more of it, the presentation with more animation gave it more life and personality, the passage of time through the story changing the world and characters (with even minor characters having attention paid to them) was great to see, I liked the gameplay because Duster and Boney were fun utility without being as immediately broken as Jeff.
General vibes I got reminded me of the book One Hundred Years of Solitude, where a small, isolated South American village slowly gets exposed to the outside world and changes through the generations, and the story grows from outlandish folklore to a more grounded historical account. Like it's spot on.
I like Earthbound cause the societal parody aspect of it was more grounded.
With Mother 3 it definitely went in a way more fantastical direction, Earthbound had a lot of fantasy elements already, but in that game it felt like they existed around the real world stuff.
With Mother 3 the fantasy elements are way more the focus.
This. I used to not care too much for 3 being more linear and story-driven than it's predecessors, but I've come to appreciate how it contrasts with the other games while also being quite fitting for the series. It's much more focused on your whole family, with the death of your mother being the main catalyst for the change in the characters and the world. After Tazmily's transformation you start seeing people straight out of Earthbound around town, making it look and feel more like Earthbound. So this should all be fine and normal, right? But not quite, I just found that interesting.
I'm still kinda sad EB64 never came to be, it might not have been perfect and I appreciate the game we got but it looked like a wild experience of it's own.
Earthbound
Mother 1, completely unironically
left: innovative rpg combat, unique world that doesn't take itself seriously, appealing to kids and adults alike
right: same combat, forced reddit drama with a world that tries to be as wacky as Earthbound while taking itself seriously, only appeals to adults
contrarian
>contrarian
Nah, you jusy lack taste
nah the debate is what to do with because they are the most wrong
This. All 3 are great, but I think 1 is the most charming and has the most endearing story and characters, simple though they are. Best music, too.
Frick off back to plebbit
seethe more
Blow your brains out homosexual
Tell us where Mother 1 touched you.
Shit outdated game
Suck start a shotgun you worthless homosexual redditor
absolutely filtered
Fricking BASED
The gritty nature shown in the M1 promos are my favorite part, they show the world kind of grey and gritty between all the commotion and bustle which is charmingly realistic and a respote from the zany occurrences of the game, especially how much the combat ramps up when you get to the swamp.
I agree. It's an underrated gem
I'll give it being okay for the year it released in. Better than the other two? lmao
Mother 2 felt way more genuine and believable. Mother 3 tried to hard to force emotion, and it had annoying and very unsubtle anti-capitalist and anti-semitic messaging
Frick off Juxtagay
>anti Semitic
You frickin wat
The pigs are obviously israelites
>the obvious Nazi analogies are israelites
,?????????????
The pigmasks are only pigs because of Porky's name. No the name never was Pokey, that was a translation error from Earthbound.
it wasn't even anti capitalist it was anti fascist you idiot
anon....
He's right. Theres nothing wrong with tech, theres nothing wrong with luxury. Otherwise hotsprings wouldnt be everywhere. The problem Fassad introduced to Tazmilly was excess, growth and luxury without a check or cognizance how it affects the environment. Porky reflects this perfectly, he doesnt give a shit about the ecosystem, he just wants to make the wildlife "cooler". Literally the Happy Boxes didnt also need to introduce money and destroy the cooperative villiage structure Tazmilly had, but Fassad also encouraged that.
It isnt capitolism thats the problem, its the overabundance without regard for anything else.
3 has an exponentially better opening/conclusion but the in-between is a lot less consistently decent than earthbound. 3 still has a slight edge due to sprites and gameplay being slightly better at the cost of marginally worse pacing and music.
>worse music
maybe if you're talking about sound quality, and even that's a maybe. I like 3's ost a lot better than EB's
the chad ness vs the virgin lucas
Always will enjoy earthbound more but 3 is still good
Earthbound destroys Mother 3 to pieces.
Mother 3
>No random encounters anywhere
>Can Run
Earthbound isn't cynical which makes it win immediately.
What the FRICK is wrong with being cynical? I'm so fricking tired of this meme that being a naive optimistic b***h is the best way to live. Diogenes didn't bow to fricking anybody and I'm tired of bowing down to happy morons. Explain the problem with cynicism or shut the frick up about it.
you’re browsing neopuritan-era Ganker that thinks Smiling_Friends_Nihilism.jpeg is the peak of culture. what do you expect
Smiling Friends wasn't nihilistic.
People automatically conflate being dark with cynicism a lot for some reason.
Cynisism is fine every once in a while, but like with everything is not the answer to all.
Gigyas' influence was over everyone the entire game. Literally humans and animals subcoming to the indigo hue color is Gigyas. He's etherial for thr majority of the game.
If Mother 3 was fully realized it would not only be the crowning israeliteel of Mother but also the best JRPG ever created.
But, sadly, that's not the case so the clear answer here is Earthbound.
I enjoyed Earthbound's story more, but when I was younger I was bad at picking up on subtext. Mother 3 has an amazing story too, but there's much less room for speculation despite the loose definitions of the past and world after the game. A lot of Mother 1's content went over my head, and I had to read up on it to appreciate. I think Earthbound is the best, but it needed Mother 1 to make it the best. Gigyas as a character changes completley when you understand how he became the ultimate evil and the anguish he endured his entire life sandwhiched between the moments of peace and hope he believed he needed to and did reject to chase the path of false promise he believed.
Same with Mother 3. You need to understand the culture, envirnoment, and relationships Porky grew up with in order to appreciate how dark and fricked everything surround his tragic life is. You need to understand his definition of happiness is revolving around the perception of his perma child brain raised in materialistic America wanting things to go back to the way they were as much as possible, and when realizing that he can't and everything is fricked because he can never grow up, never had the ability to, and was mind raped by literally the forces of evil. He's traumatized and corrupted mentally but also clings to the only things his extremely limited world view defines as happy, the logical conclusion of what we manchildren would call the rose tinted goggles of nostalgia, but given to a man child who has all the power, influence, and technology to inact this hodgepodge world he calls a utopia. But the biggest kick is that he doesnt even give a frick about it, he already decided he was going to let the world burn anyway, because he doesnt care abiut anyone but himself, and he's ignorant to even that subject.
>Gigyas as a character changes completley
between games and may as well be a new distinct entity as the one in 1 is wholly resolved and the one in 2 would be unrelated entirely if the stories were actually trying to follow a canon instead of being a soft reboot
A resolved Gieyug wouldnt have lost his shit at hearing Maria's lullaby and given up the invasion he staked his entire being around.
Mother 1 and it ain’t even close
Anybody played Mother Encore it really makes the original obsolete and adds more soul and personality
https://motherencore.com/
Does it fix that boring factory from the original?
Did they?
Did they?
You Black folk rely on people to have only played Mother 2 and 3 and just taking your word on it being some underrated masterpiece. Meanwhile people who have actually played it know that 1 isn't even close to being the best in the series.
Mother 1 has a stronger story than Earthbound
Mother 1's story is just random encounters every 2 steps.
>inb4 just get the patch bro
If I need a patch to fix the game then it was shit to begin with. Mother 1 sucks, SMT1 sucks, old NES JRPGs suck, get with it.
Mother 1 is still the most important game for even starting the series, without Earthbound Beginnings you wouldn’t have the sequels, it deserves recognition and respect. Turning 35 years old, Happy New Year 2024!
You clearly haven't played 1.
M1 had the best atmosphere and arguably the best emotional moments but that's it
and even if we look past the overall lack of polish, M1 still lacked the cleverness and genuine substance of Earthbound for example
>M1 had the best atmosphere and arguably the best emotional moments but that's it
Two 8-year-olds doing ballroom dancing because they're in puppy love is cute, it's Peanuts, but it isn't 'emotional'.
You forgot "on what could be their last evening alive". And Teddy's sacrifice. And just about anything involving Mary and Giegue.
These Mother kids are constantly flirting with death. You're stretching big time by implying that they were in more mortal danger at that exact moment than ever before.
Their friend was dying in the next room over...
And he lived.
it doesn't need to have massive scope and implications to be a well-executed moment
also i wasn't even thinking about that moment specifically, the game is just emotionally charged throughout
what's with the weird Peanuts shade? It seems like such a weird thing to bait over. Peanuts is filled with strong emotional moments and characterization.
Name a single emotional moment in Peanuts. It's nothing but a horrible c**t fricking over Charlie at every turn. It's feminist.
the special with the little girl who gets leukemia
>feminist
That can't be real.
https://peanuts.fandom.com/wiki/April_1958_comic_strips
it's at the bottom
So why is every Peanuts special Lucy just shitting on Charlie non-stop?
Girls bully guys they like.
She specifically likes Shroreder. She shits on Charlie with no love in her heart. She's a feminist c**t.
Because it's funny
How many specials have you even seen? Because that's not even remotely true. Also, everybody shits on Charlie Brown. He's pathetic. He's also basically an anime harem protagonist. He has multiple girls fighting over him for some inexplicable reason.
>He has multiple girls fighting over him
Lucy doesn't like him. She likes Shroeder. She only shits on him because she's a feminist c**t, and so is Schulz.
Peppermint Patty and Marcie both like him and fight over him all the time. Lucy did like him in early strips. Lucy is also based off of Shulz's ex wife and she's characterized as a c**t. Why do you think that's feminist?
>Why do you think that's feminist?
See
sorry but that makes no sense. How is that feminist? It's portraying Lucy in a negative light.
She gets away with it, and every other character is on her side, and not Charlie's.
she doesn't always get away with it. Often the characters realize they've treated Charlie Brown poorly and apologize by the end. It's also not about siding with Lucy, but against Charlie Brown. Because he's a loser. It's why we like him as an audience. He's a long suffering underdog.
Charlie is the loser, and as a kid siding with the loser is like talking to the homeless guy, you avoid on sight at all times.
But why is he a 'loser'? Why did a white man write a loser like this, owned by feminists? Seriously.
? The context I argue doesnt matter because tiny trifles happen all the time and haunt you for your social childhood. Maybe he farted in class, maybe he got caught picking his nose, maybe he cried once and everyone made fun of him. You know people who lived that experience because of 1 thing that happened when they were 5 and it stuck for probably 10 or so years.
>muh hypotheticals
have a nice day, israelite. Charlie doesn't deserve to be bullied, and Lucy deserves to be put in the same reeducation camp that millenial women will go to.
Did you miss thr word trifle? He doesnt deaerve to be bullied, kids are innocent buttholes and horrible. I think you need to calm down if you're assuming this much.
Frick you, israelite.
are you one of those guys who thinks that every protagonist has to be a gigachad who always succeeds at everything he does and everybody loves him? One of those people who thinks there's no point in seeing the main character fail? In that case, I get why you don't understand Peanuts at all.
No, but writing a protagonist simply to be shit on at all times, specifically by the opposite sex, is pure cuckoldry. Frick Schulz and frick you.
you didn't even know about Peppermint Patty and Marcie thirsting over Charlie Brown, where is this sense of authority coming from, as if you know so much about it?
Schroeder is based for shitting on her every time while she remains simping for him eternally
That he is. As if he knows what a terrible c**t she is to his bro.
Why did Shulz write it this way? Protagonist is a giant pushover homosexual, and Shroeder is a gigachad? Is it just a self-insert?
In fact, the main special is Charlie Brown winning the spelling bee, and Lucy becoming his ~~*agent*~~ and forcing him to beat himself up constantly. Frick her.
that's Violet, not lucy.
Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_(Peanuts)
I know who Lucy is, you gaslighting israelite. It's extremely telling that you have to resort to pretending it's a different character now.
the girl in
is violet gray, not lucy van pelt
I'm talking about the main girl in A Boy Named Charlie Brown and Snoopy Come Home. As far as I know, Violet isn't even named in those movies, if she's a character at all.
man I was friends with a girl like this back in middle school, her name was also Lucy funny enough. she was like asuka but a thousand times worse and she targeted me and me alone for some reason
frick that b***h, I don't care if she secretly liked me or whatever I hope she died of cancer
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Sally and Linus coping with the Great Pumpkin not appearing and wasting their Halloween
This is now a Peanuts x Earthbound crossover thread.
>Emotional
There’s also Queen Mary lamenting about raising Giegue after singing the 8 melodies to her, and Eve’s Death by that big robot boss in my pic related
And why am I supposed to care about some character from the distant past again? The game gave me no opportunity to get attached to her, or Giegue for that matter.
Compare that to Earthbound's final fight, where you wanted the kids so badly to succeed against a nigh invincible threat because you've been with them on the journey since the beginning. THAT is emotional.
It's objectively worse than 2 and 3 as a game but people like to say they love it the most because Ganker is contrarian central.
>removes the non-linearity
No it's fanfiction dogshit
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Lucas will never be a real Ness.
An Earthbound thread to end off 2023? I love you anons so much, really do. Group Hug.
3 insists on itself
Almighty idiot
There's no debate. Earthbound
why did Mother 3 never get an official release outside of Japan? Was it the magypsies and the mermaidmen oxygen machines?
that plus the nazis and child death I guess
I always figured it was due to the shroom trip.
There’s also the Fassad and Salsa abuse that I don’t see going well in localization
Depicts an evil merchant subverting and destroying a happy peaceful society, it's far too on the nose
EarthBound mogs Mother 3, there's no debate
>fun game with a dark final boss
>40 hours of peak emotional slop
Yeah I'm going with Earthbound. Mother 3 is only liked because it's unavailable and has that "forbidden fruit" quality.
Mother 3 is too sad.
Mother 3 would surpass Mother 2 if the game were more finished and more developed.
But even if Mother 2 is better, 3 is still an amazing game.
Mother 3 by far. Improved upon EB in every aspect, even the characters feel more like actual characters. I feel like anyone saying otherwise just thinks they look hecking badass because they hate anything remotely emotional in a videogame.
it's the exact opposite
3gays are dishonest posers thinking mother 3 is "deep" when the game features dogshit pacing, cringe social commentary advocating for luddism, an incoherent message which is at odds with itself, a nonsensical exposition dump that has nothing to do with anything, and hamfisted melodramatic slop
earthboundgays actually judge both games objectively and realize that earthbound is ironically the smarter and more mature game, simply because it understands subtlety and knows how to incorporate its themes subtextually without bashing them over the player's head
speaking as someone with serious trauma from growing up in a wannabe luddite household, i never really felt any of the kind of adversarial energy i usually get when i’m playing a game that advocates for puritanism, as an example
Itoi is a lefty, but he’s also a businessman and clearly loves the influence technology has had on society, which you can see in its influences (the entire Pigmask and Chimera force was inspired by Toy Story)
i wouldn’t sweat it
Unlike Mother 3, Earthbound has no cohesive theme apart from the power of friendship. It's a great game, but the story's pretty much nonexistent.
you're unironically outing yourself as a brainlet with zero media literacy
earthbound's themes explore childhood and how trauma is an inevitable part of the process of growing up
this message is presented metaphorically with giygas representing the trauma itoi himself experienced when he was a child
Bitch, you just read the Itoi Giygas anecdote and pretended to "get it". Media literacy my ass. Giygas doesn't even show up until the very end of the game.
false, i had no problems interpreting this while playing the actual game
reading the anecdote after the fact only confirmed my interpretation and the fact that i didn't need it proves you're just moronic
Sure thing, and I'm the emperor of Japan.
cope all you want
ness starts off with a homesickness mechanic, establishing him as a childish momma's boy despite his tough outer shell
the magicant section shows ness gaining some maturity as he conquers his inner world
the theme is cearly established and reinforced at this point, then giygas follows the natural progression
he appears as a child's perception of "adult" things that children can't comprehend. giygas's form and attacks are incomprehensible, his dialogue is nonsense yet it carries a vaguely sexual tone. this is no accident either
in summary, if you couldn't connect the dots then frankly you're a fricking idiot
it's like you've never had to do a book report in your life
sad state of education if you ask me
>power of innocence and obtaining maturity
>evil and how man is tempted to give in to it
>introspection aiding the soul in keeping on the track to good
Are you joking? It has plenty of theme
There's touching upon themes, and then there's exploring them. How does Earthbound explore the nature of temptation to evil? Sure, it shows that people succumb to it, but we don't even see the consequences. In Porky's case, not in the same game at least.
Ness and the gang are totally forgiving, because what Carpainter did if he had to answer to anyone else would be in a shitton of trouble, not like he isn't sad how much trouble he caused.
Lier X Agerate was consumed by greed that kept him digging, and it consumed his life. Monotoli fricked up and almost ruined a lot of relationships.
Mother I think wants to put so much emphasis on the fact that good people want to forgive and evil can be redeemed that it makes sense so many people who were bad selfishly or without thinking much, which is a problem still, are at the end of the day given another chance. Ness wants to forgive even Belch and Porky. That level of compassion is huge in a game all about soft, maternal energy
For me, it's Kumatora getting fricked by Boney
Omori is better than both
Earthbound is better than Mother 3.
Ness, Paula, Jeff and Poo are non-characters
Neither are the other protagonists.
Ness, Jeff, and Paula have solid characterization, only Poo doesn't.
what's ness's characterization?
He's the only character who gets homesick showing that he's a true momma's boy, and Magicant gives a lot of insight about what goes inside his head, like the implication that he's aware that he should have treated Porky better as a friend, his fear of sexuality, as shown by some of the enemies you fight there, and the fact that he has to confront his own inner darkness at the end of the dungeon, showing that he's not just some generic good American boy.
>Paula can literally into the psychology of an old man
Way more characterization than your Peanuts shit, contrarian-kun.
can literally into the psychology of an old man
what does paula know about old men?
That he's a pushover and wasn't actually entirely on board with the ~~*invasion*~~. Maybe you should get your head out of the gutter, israelite boy, before it gets you in trouble.
And that's perfectly fine. It comes off as a creative choice more than anything.
So are Kumatora, Claus, and Boney.
They're kids, were you expecting them to be complex?
paula is at least sexy
I wonder what happened to her while they were imprisoned by the Happy Happy Cult haha
Earthbound and Mother 1
And cute!
I had such a crush on Paula when I was younger. The "girl you meet when young that grows with you to be your romantic love" trope is something I appreciate.
Lucas is a just blond Shinji Ikari.
Random encounter rate ruins mother 1
It does, but people be like "I love this game because of the emoshunal moments."
Mother 1 is a strange choice for this schizophrenic to start a hate campaign on.
A noticeable portion of the Earthbound fanbase has always been mad about Mother 1's existence.
If you could go back 15 or so years, you'd see just about everyone dismiss the game because it was too hard or too obscure and didn't have the same memetic popularity and zeitgeist as EB and Mother 3. A lot of people dismiss the story as being a rough draft of Earthbound despite that not being true, and there's still a large camp of people who will tell anyone interested in playing the game to do so with an easymode patch.
Mother 1 is basically hated because it's not Earthbound and Mother 3.
Ninten tells the average Smash Fan:
"Stop confusing me with Ness!"
Both are shit I
>I
a-anon?
mother 3 is a better game but I could see people liking earthbound more because of the "atmosphere" or some shit. It's like twilight princess vs wind waker
How old is Kumatora supposed to be compared to Lucas?
Earthbound was the longer and arguably more fulfilling game, and it's most likely what people think of when they think "Shigesato Itoi", but Mother 3 is still one of my favorite games of all time. I've probably replayed it at least 7 times, and it's still just as good as it was when I first played it.
That final boss fight with the Masked Man still gets me to cry b***h tears.
I tried playing Earthbound and got filtered hard by the gameplay. Is there any other way to enjoy the whimsical stuff?
play m3
I like Mother 3 a lot more, it was just a solid improvement in every area I care about. I liked the music more and there's more of it, the presentation with more animation gave it more life and personality, the passage of time through the story changing the world and characters (with even minor characters having attention paid to them) was great to see, I liked the gameplay because Duster and Boney were fun utility without being as immediately broken as Jeff.
General vibes I got reminded me of the book One Hundred Years of Solitude, where a small, isolated South American village slowly gets exposed to the outside world and changes through the generations, and the story grows from outlandish folklore to a more grounded historical account. Like it's spot on.
I like Earthbound cause the societal parody aspect of it was more grounded.
With Mother 3 it definitely went in a way more fantastical direction, Earthbound had a lot of fantasy elements already, but in that game it felt like they existed around the real world stuff.
With Mother 3 the fantasy elements are way more the focus.
Por que no los dos?
never forget
frick this game
it was the birth of this reddit
>le childlike product but its secretly edgy for all of us mature le adulting adults!!
3>1>2
I like them all. They each have their pros and cons.
This. I used to not care too much for 3 being more linear and story-driven than it's predecessors, but I've come to appreciate how it contrasts with the other games while also being quite fitting for the series. It's much more focused on your whole family, with the death of your mother being the main catalyst for the change in the characters and the world. After Tazmily's transformation you start seeing people straight out of Earthbound around town, making it look and feel more like Earthbound. So this should all be fine and normal, right? But not quite, I just found that interesting.
I'm still kinda sad EB64 never came to be, it might not have been perfect and I appreciate the game we got but it looked like a wild experience of it's own.
Charlie wins the spelling bee in A Boy Named Charlie Brown. He isn't a loser. Yet the feminist b***h keeps acting litke he is.
He chokes at the last second and couldn’t spell “beagle”.
Yes, the most ironic loss. Just because Schulz is a self-hating homosexual who wants to destroy his protagonist.
But to be clear, CB wins multiple spelling bees before that. This narrative that he's a 'loser' is pure shitskins.