If OoT and MM the fairy obviously because in these games they replenish all of your hearts. You can patch OoT/MM to make it so you can't bottle fairies which gives you a an actual reason to use potions, especially if you also remove hearts from drops.
both red potion and fairy fully replenish hearts. fairy has the benefit of automatically reviving you, and it doesn't need to be assigned to an item slot to use. red potion is the meta though, because it boils down to convenience. it's generally easier to reach a shop with a red potion than a fairy fountain, gossip stone or other place to get fairies, and the red potion costs almost half the price of a fairy. it's the meta when you just need one healing item as a backup, because it saves the most time. and that's what ocarina of time is about: time.
>it's generally easier to reach a shop with a red potion than a fairy fountain
It's over the moment you get your first warp song though because there's a fairy fountain that's very close to the forest temple
that's only advantageous if you're not near a shop already. by the time you play the song, watch the animation, warp to forest temple, walk down, go up the ladder, jump down the hole, collect the fairy and walk/warp back, you're spending way more time than it would take to just buy a potion if you're already in or near a place like castle town or kakariko.
Anon, you're talking as if fairy fountains are super rare or something. There's a fairy fountain near almost every major location and depending on where you are it can actually be faster than going to a shop. The only argument would be if you don't have Bombs/Song of Storms
none of those places are central areas though. fairy fountains are almost always out of the way, so unless you happen to be right next to one, they aren't very time efficient. there are 7 fairy fountains in the game as your image shows, but significantly more places that sell the red potion. don't forget that business scrubs also sell these potions, and even at their inflated prices, they're still cheaper than buying a fairy. gossip stones are generally a better source of fairies, but even then, they aren't always more conveniently located than shops (e.g. in kakariko village, it's faster to buy a red potion from the magic shop than to go into the hole behind the shop and get a fairy from the gossip stone in the grotto).
7 months ago
Anonymous
I dont think Ive ever bought a potion of any type in my multiple playthroughs of OoT. I cant tell if youre moronic or just shitposting. Just cut down some grass/kill enemies to get hearts back.
7 months ago
Anonymous
that's because you're a stinky casual playing the game just to beat it. try a deathless 3 heart/minimalist run and then you'll see how see the minutiae begins to matter.
both red potion and fairy fully replenish hearts. fairy has the benefit of automatically reviving you, and it doesn't need to be assigned to an item slot to use. red potion is the meta though, because it boils down to convenience. it's generally easier to reach a shop with a red potion than a fairy fountain, gossip stone or other place to get fairies, and the red potion costs almost half the price of a fairy. it's the meta when you just need one healing item as a backup, because it saves the most time. and that's what ocarina of time is about: time.
I thought fairies only revive you at ten hearts tops.
Bro I swear, somehow they are managing to slowly memoryhole the greatest handheld console ever made. It's a fricking travesty. I remember when I first heard that Nintendo was going to make a handheld gaming device that had 3D capabilities the didn't require glasses, and that their flagship game was going to be a retouched version of OoT. I could not believe the whole "3D without glasses" thing, and yes I used the 3D once and then never again....for whatever reason. But JUST having OoT in my fricking pocket was mindblowing. So many good games came out for the 3DS and DS, but now it's like everyone forgot about them. I was playing mine at work once a few weeks ago and everyone kept asking me if it was a little laptop, until I just turned it off and went back to staring at the clock.
Some psyops are true and I absolutely believe that for some reason Nintendo doesn't want people to even know the 3DS existed. Call me a schizo all you want.
i don't think you're a schizo, i think you're low IQ. wanna know why Nintendo forgot about the 3DS? because it was a piece of fricking shit. its most iconic games are outsourced, censored versions of a few N64 titles. beyond that, it has almost no defining games whatsoever. the bigger issue is that the few games it does have all incorporate the shitty 3D gimmick to varying degrees; meaning that they aren't worth porting because you'd have to rework gameplay and even names just to bring them to the switch. then there's the actual hardware itself, which was PSP tier (except came out 6+ years later), two screens that are different sizes because frick you, the shittiest analog slider ever made, and a shitty screen with washed out colors. they don't need to "memoryhole" the 3DS, consumers did that on their own when they forgot it and moved on to superior systems.
most, yeah. that's kind of irrelevant though, what about the entire dungeon leading up to the boss? as it see it, red potion is basically for saving time, and fairy is better as a failsafe since it revives you automatically. if you're already right next to a gossip stone or fairy fountain then it makes the most sense to just grab a fairy real quick, but if you're near a shop or business scrub, it's generally cheaper and faster to just buy a red potion. this might be irrelevant for most people, but it's also worth mentioning that the actual time it takes to purchase a fairy is ridiculous (about 15 seconds to get through all the descriptory text), a red potion is only about 8. we're getting into speedrun levels of autism here but as a rule of thumb, the red potion is the best choice when you simply want SOME kind of healing item and you don't want to waste any time or money. like the other anon said, if you're doing a 3 heart run then milk is actually the best thing you can get, but that's even more sparsely found than either red potion or fairies.
>You never even have to buy fairies if you know where the fountains are.
we've already been over this: there's 7 fountains, almost all of them are located outside of major areas, and it's faster to just buy a potion.
only if you have the nocturne of shadow and can warp there. otherwise it's much, much faster to go to the magic shop and buy a pot versus walking all the way to the graveyard, pushing the tomb open and going down into the fountain, not to mention the return trip.
7 months ago
Anonymous
By the time you even need potions you'll be adult Link and by that point the whole game basically centers around Kakariko.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>By the time you even need potions you'll be adult Link and by that point the whole game basically centers around Kakariko.
correct, in which case it's almost always going to be faster to just buy the red potion instead of going to the graveyard. really the only time you'll even need to go to the graveyard as an adult is for shadow temple, at which point you may as well just get a fairy from the gossip stone outside the temple entrance.
the argument is not about which item is inherently superior (the fairy does everything the red potion does and more, obviously it's better on its own merits), but which is superior in terms of time and convenience. the red potion provides a better balance between cost and efficiency, where the fairy is almost always either A) the most expensive option or B) the most time-consuming option.
This is honestly one of this dude's greatest shitposts. He's successfully roped dozens of people across multiple threads into dissertation-length discussions about fricking red potions, the most useless healing item in the game, possibly the series. I suspect he's also the same guy who brings up OoT being "non-linear" in every fricking Zelda thread. I can't tell if he's a genius or moronic.
i just enjoy discussing the nuances of my favorite game. i'm legitimately not shitposting. if somebody doesn't agree with or understand my point of view, i'm just going to keep arguing until any opposition either gives up or accepts that i have superior knowledge of the game.
you WILL drink the red potion
you WILL play dungeons out of order
you WILL sequence break
... and you'll be happy.
There are many different paths to finishing the game. After you leave the forest, you can either complete Dodongo's Cavern or just grab the bombs, go clear Jabu Jabu and come back. The dialog even accounts for this. Once you've pulled the Master Sword, you can beat the temples in so many different orders that I'm not even going to try to cover them all. Look it up yourself if you really want to know the truth. Otherwise, I'm afraid you might be the one who's mentally ill here. As for the potions vs. fairy debate, I'm Team Fairy. I'm very offensive and never keep an eye on my health so I prefer being automatically healed. That said, I always bring 4 Blue Potions to Ganondorf.
If OoT and MM the fairy obviously because in these games they replenish all of your hearts. You can patch OoT/MM to make it so you can't bottle fairies which gives you a an actual reason to use potions, especially if you also remove hearts from drops.
both red potion and fairy fully replenish hearts. fairy has the benefit of automatically reviving you, and it doesn't need to be assigned to an item slot to use. red potion is the meta though, because it boils down to convenience. it's generally easier to reach a shop with a red potion than a fairy fountain, gossip stone or other place to get fairies, and the red potion costs almost half the price of a fairy. it's the meta when you just need one healing item as a backup, because it saves the most time. and that's what ocarina of time is about: time.
>it's generally easier to reach a shop with a red potion than a fairy fountain
It's over the moment you get your first warp song though because there's a fairy fountain that's very close to the forest temple
that's only advantageous if you're not near a shop already. by the time you play the song, watch the animation, warp to forest temple, walk down, go up the ladder, jump down the hole, collect the fairy and walk/warp back, you're spending way more time than it would take to just buy a potion if you're already in or near a place like castle town or kakariko.
Anon, you're talking as if fairy fountains are super rare or something. There's a fairy fountain near almost every major location and depending on where you are it can actually be faster than going to a shop. The only argument would be if you don't have Bombs/Song of Storms
none of those places are central areas though. fairy fountains are almost always out of the way, so unless you happen to be right next to one, they aren't very time efficient. there are 7 fairy fountains in the game as your image shows, but significantly more places that sell the red potion. don't forget that business scrubs also sell these potions, and even at their inflated prices, they're still cheaper than buying a fairy. gossip stones are generally a better source of fairies, but even then, they aren't always more conveniently located than shops (e.g. in kakariko village, it's faster to buy a red potion from the magic shop than to go into the hole behind the shop and get a fairy from the gossip stone in the grotto).
I dont think Ive ever bought a potion of any type in my multiple playthroughs of OoT. I cant tell if youre moronic or just shitposting. Just cut down some grass/kill enemies to get hearts back.
that's because you're a stinky casual playing the game just to beat it. try a deathless 3 heart/minimalist run and then you'll see how see the minutiae begins to matter.
I thought fairies only revive you at ten hearts tops.
It depends on the game. I don't know about the others but I just tested in OoT just to make sure I wasn't crazy and they fully heal you
they changed it in OoT 3DS so that fairies don't completely heal you, but on N64 they do.
>they changed it in OoT 3DS so that fairies don't completely heal you, but on N64 they do.
How the frick was I supposed to know that then?
Bro I swear, somehow they are managing to slowly memoryhole the greatest handheld console ever made. It's a fricking travesty. I remember when I first heard that Nintendo was going to make a handheld gaming device that had 3D capabilities the didn't require glasses, and that their flagship game was going to be a retouched version of OoT. I could not believe the whole "3D without glasses" thing, and yes I used the 3D once and then never again....for whatever reason. But JUST having OoT in my fricking pocket was mindblowing. So many good games came out for the 3DS and DS, but now it's like everyone forgot about them. I was playing mine at work once a few weeks ago and everyone kept asking me if it was a little laptop, until I just turned it off and went back to staring at the clock.
Some psyops are true and I absolutely believe that for some reason Nintendo doesn't want people to even know the 3DS existed. Call me a schizo all you want.
i don't think you're a schizo, i think you're low IQ. wanna know why Nintendo forgot about the 3DS? because it was a piece of fricking shit. its most iconic games are outsourced, censored versions of a few N64 titles. beyond that, it has almost no defining games whatsoever. the bigger issue is that the few games it does have all incorporate the shitty 3D gimmick to varying degrees; meaning that they aren't worth porting because you'd have to rework gameplay and even names just to bring them to the switch. then there's the actual hardware itself, which was PSP tier (except came out 6+ years later), two screens that are different sizes because frick you, the shittiest analog slider ever made, and a shitty screen with washed out colors. they don't need to "memoryhole" the 3DS, consumers did that on their own when they forgot it and moved on to superior systems.
amargo and retruco carajo
I saw it too.
Milk.
I choose skooma
If you're doing a 3 heart run this is what you want
*blocks your path*
I remember this item completely broke Majora's Mask randomizer
Isn't there a fairy outside of every boss room?
most, yeah. that's kind of irrelevant though, what about the entire dungeon leading up to the boss? as it see it, red potion is basically for saving time, and fairy is better as a failsafe since it revives you automatically. if you're already right next to a gossip stone or fairy fountain then it makes the most sense to just grab a fairy real quick, but if you're near a shop or business scrub, it's generally cheaper and faster to just buy a red potion. this might be irrelevant for most people, but it's also worth mentioning that the actual time it takes to purchase a fairy is ridiculous (about 15 seconds to get through all the descriptory text), a red potion is only about 8. we're getting into speedrun levels of autism here but as a rule of thumb, the red potion is the best choice when you simply want SOME kind of healing item and you don't want to waste any time or money. like the other anon said, if you're doing a 3 heart run then milk is actually the best thing you can get, but that's even more sparsely found than either red potion or fairies.
You never even have to buy fairies if you know where the fountains are.
>You never even have to buy fairies if you know where the fountains are.
we've already been over this: there's 7 fountains, almost all of them are located outside of major areas, and it's faster to just buy a potion.
>almost all of them are located outside of major areas
It's easier to get to Kakariko graveyard than the potion shop.
only if you have the nocturne of shadow and can warp there. otherwise it's much, much faster to go to the magic shop and buy a pot versus walking all the way to the graveyard, pushing the tomb open and going down into the fountain, not to mention the return trip.
By the time you even need potions you'll be adult Link and by that point the whole game basically centers around Kakariko.
>By the time you even need potions you'll be adult Link and by that point the whole game basically centers around Kakariko.
correct, in which case it's almost always going to be faster to just buy the red potion instead of going to the graveyard. really the only time you'll even need to go to the graveyard as an adult is for shadow temple, at which point you may as well just get a fairy from the gossip stone outside the temple entrance.
Red Potion refills your health
Bottled Fairy acts as a 1 up and restores your health
Bottled Fairy is clearly superior
the argument is not about which item is inherently superior (the fairy does everything the red potion does and more, obviously it's better on its own merits), but which is superior in terms of time and convenience. the red potion provides a better balance between cost and efficiency, where the fairy is almost always either A) the most expensive option or B) the most time-consuming option.
This is honestly one of this dude's greatest shitposts. He's successfully roped dozens of people across multiple threads into dissertation-length discussions about fricking red potions, the most useless healing item in the game, possibly the series. I suspect he's also the same guy who brings up OoT being "non-linear" in every fricking Zelda thread. I can't tell if he's a genius or moronic.
i fully believe everything i say, and yes, Ocarina of Time is, in fact, non-linear.
What do you get out of this? I'm genuinely curious what stokes this kind of mental illness.
i just enjoy discussing the nuances of my favorite game. i'm legitimately not shitposting. if somebody doesn't agree with or understand my point of view, i'm just going to keep arguing until any opposition either gives up or accepts that i have superior knowledge of the game.
you WILL drink the red potion
you WILL play dungeons out of order
you WILL sequence break
... and you'll be happy.
There are many different paths to finishing the game. After you leave the forest, you can either complete Dodongo's Cavern or just grab the bombs, go clear Jabu Jabu and come back. The dialog even accounts for this. Once you've pulled the Master Sword, you can beat the temples in so many different orders that I'm not even going to try to cover them all. Look it up yourself if you really want to know the truth. Otherwise, I'm afraid you might be the one who's mentally ill here. As for the potions vs. fairy debate, I'm Team Fairy. I'm very offensive and never keep an eye on my health so I prefer being automatically healed. That said, I always bring 4 Blue Potions to Ganondorf.
Two red pots, a blue pot, and one fairy.
But you don't need any of that shit.