Unless this hypothetical FE4 remake was poorly marketed, or released in an unfinished state, I don't see how a remake of the game that inspired the two most successful games in the franchise would flop
3 Houses and what other game?
Either way 3 houses mogs it in every way possible. No way is FE4 making over one million sales
Echoes had better marketing than Fates and Engage and barely made it to a million sales years after it came out
>3 Houses and what other game?
Awakening >No way is FE4 making over one million sales
Every FE since Awakening has sold at least one million copies (TMS doesn't count), why wouldn't an FE4 remake do the same >Echoes had better marketing than Fates and Engage and barely made it to a million sales years after it came out
Because it released on the 3DS the same year the Switch released. It was also the second most successful 3DS game that released that year (first was Pokemon UltraSun and UltraMoon).
Surprised Geneology isn't higher (same with Binding Blade somewhat).
For comparison, here's a Jap version (held close to Engage's launch, so Engage's placement is a bit uncertain).
they are just louder, if youre deep enough into a fandom to have played a translated rom of a game youre more likely to stick around and talk about it. the average FE redditor is someone who joined after 3houses release, lurks, isnt very active, and is mainly there to see art of the characters
Nips have far better taste, even if they still suffer from normalgays and pseuds. Notice how Engage and Fates rate way higher with them for instance, as they don't worship western ecelebs
Engage is kinda hard to judge due to having a lot of recency bias when the poll was held.
Fates did okay, but being below Path of Radiance isn't a good look.
They're probably asking themselves why anyone would vote for Alfonse, especially to the point of making him First Place. I wouldn't be surprised if nips respect the western fanbase even less than we do
Engage had the most votes in CYL this year. They were just spread among many characters, and not like, say, female Robin getting 1/3 of all Awakening votes.
At the end of the day most of the problems with westoid media discourse boil down to westoids being utterly fricking desperate to come off as mature from the media they mindlessly consoom.
This is why a good 90% of the anti-engage copypasted arguments )from muh vtubers to muh shounen plot and more) boil down to "It's not SERIOUS and MATURE enough and that makes me feel icky".
Likewise if something serves that purpose like trannius or 3hrt they will praise that shit to death despite it's atrocious flaws like muh more people and muh wacism/classism bad (and blood pacts), and you know, the gameplay just being shit.
Because most of japan doesn't really give a frick about larping how mature they are through their media they consume.
Reminder DQ is one of the highest grossing games every time it releases and pokemon I think is still THE highest grossing franchise on the globe, not just japan.
But why do I expect reading comprehension from a westoid with a victim complex?
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>Because most of japan doesn't really give a frick about larping how mature they are through their media they consume.
The two most popular games are both some of the most serious. >Reminder DQ is one of the highest grossing games every time it releases
Because it's nostalgic? >Pokemon
Because it's literally the only series doing that specific formula. And merch, Pokemon actually makes most of it's money off merch.
Pretty much, it's also why Gaiden is deservingly at the bottom of the nip ranking, while r*dditors suck it off. Nips are too busy enjoying media to care what gays think of them for enjoying said media.
I think the reddit list is a 'rank every game' list while NLab just asks for your favorite.
That somewhat changes the dynamic.
Plus, the Reddit one probably has more dedicated fans while the Jap one probably has more normalgays.
I'd love to see what this list looks like now. I always assume these Japanese polls include much higher percentages of children and therefore overweight New Thing—is Engage popular now? Is the popularity of Three Houses robust?
>is Engage popular now?
I dunno, I think Engage just kinda came and went. Apparetly it's manga isn't doing super well, but like, who expects anything out of licenseshit tie-in manga anyway?
>Did other recent Fire Emblem games have manga adaptations that did better?
Some gag strips.
Also, Crown of Niblung or something? It was a Fates manga, I think it got canceled before it could complete it's story.
Wasn't that after the guy writing it complained about it not selling enough?
Also, might be something about that specific volume being out for a while already.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He didn’t complain, he was sad then they clarified that it was actually good. Apparently IS fricked up not telling people where to find the manga.
The FE4 one has some cultural impact mostly due to incest
The side adventure with the OCs during Binding Blade also had some impact with them being referenced through items in the game
i'm still mad at myself for losing my fe12 cartridge in biology class. the game was so fricking kino and it was my first import. i even have my dumped save from before i lost it
3 months ago
Anonymous
how the frick do you lose a game cartridge in biology class
3 months ago
Anonymous
i was dumb enough to leave the raw cheezit in my pocket at the time. i've always carried the games i wanted to take with me in a hidden jacket pocket or anything more secure than baggy pants since
Does Thracia have actual backlash in Japan? I'd think it would be a little more locked to 4. Or is there just no way to play it and japs won't emulate?
I agree with this except for 3 houses and Shadow Dragon’s placements.
Not saying they should be swapped, just that 3 houses should be lower and Shadow Dragon should be a little higher, maybe just under or just above Engage.
Geneology has some of the worst map design in the series, people only praise it because of "realism" and "muh gameplay story integration". But actually playing it is miserable
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Geneology has some of the worst map design in the series
It absolutely does not, this has always been a stupid secondary meme. The maps are big and might fatigue you personally if you binge them, this does not make them bad. They're packed with tons of detail and conscious design decisions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he put a lot of thought into the map design and made it bad on purpose!
It's still not fun
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're entitled to your opinion, but it's just hard to take most of the criticism seriously when 80% of it is "le big." Occasionally you get "backtracking" or "forests."
3 months ago
Anonymous
Don't forget the armies of 20 enemy units that rush you and need to have their AI dumbed down to not be unfair
3 months ago
Anonymous
>inb4 "just use Shannan"
3 months ago
Anonymous
nta but we were talking about map design, as far as that goes, genealogy's map design is great
unit balancing is a different thing entirely unless you're talking gameplay as a whole, which we weren't
3 months ago
Anonymous
What's the issue
It's a nice gimmick that are supposed to strategize to get around
You're not one of those savescum gays that relies on luck, are you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
seconding this, these games really aren't made to be binged in the first place so not even map fatigue is a real issue if playing the game as intended
3 months ago
Anonymous
Frick ofd, let me speed through several maps in the earlygame and then seethe as I blunder a unit due to fatigue. If that's not the core FE experience, then what is?
Frick you. Frick you a million times. The purple prose of that one was a delight to read through. The elemental nature of the story makes it timeless, and the way it's presented makes it last forever.
Cope man
Everyone Hates Shadow Dragon it's literally the worst game
Why?
It wasn’t amazing but I enjoyed it well enough when I played it ages ago.
Then again I was like 13 or whatever when it first released and I played it on DS so maybe my taste was just shit back then?
What are the common complaints gameplay wise?
>60+ posts later and no can can answer my question of why Shadow Dragon is so hated
Have any of you actually played Shadow Dragon or has it just been repeated and memed so much that everyone assumes it as a fact?
Like the inverse effect of how Geneology is perceived positively by people who’ve never played it.
Personally I feel more of a desire to replay Shadow Dragon than I have any game Awakening onward.
>60+ posts later and no can can answer my question of why Shadow Dragon is so hated
Ugly graphics, lack of supports, a gaiden chapter at odds with how most people play FE, can't play the prologue on Hard, didn't update the plot enough
That's the general complaints I remember.
I don't care what normalgays think
Shadow Dragon DS is fun because of all the jank, I like cheesing maps with ballistae and forged weapons
I also like fe4
My experience of shadow dragon: >God it's fricking ugly, but I'll force myself to play it on hard 3 or whatever it's called >What a brutal experience that was, at least the difficulty made me fully immerse myself into the game and get to know the strong characters that helped me
3 months pass >Who the frick was in that game besides marth and wolfensedgar
Shadow Dragon was an ugly game that left a black hole in characterization and storytelling. It makes sense why it failed to stick with people especially when it's also niche due to selling so poorly.
Still don't understand why Ganker likes Tellius so much. Redditors and twittards I get because gay Ike memes and racism bad, but does Ganker like it? Nostalgia? Played it recently and it was just ok
Ganker has been a leddit and twitter colony since at least 2015, especially on Ganker there's not that much difference between here and leddit
the only real difference being here you can't get banned for going against their ciclejerk even if you are correct and BTFOing a schizo so hard he mass reports you with IP hopping doesn't count, that's not a system built into the platform like updoots are
Ganker has been a leddit and twitter colony since at least 2015, especially on Ganker there's not that much difference between here and leddit
the only real difference being here you can't get banned for going against their ciclejerk even if you are correct and BTFOing a schizo so hard he mass reports you with IP hopping doesn't count, that's not a system built into the platform like updoots are
The real question is how is this general in particular one of the only ones that actually resist the normalgay circlejerk.
Pretty much every other general even on Ganker is just yet another leddit/twitter echo chamber, this is one of the few places I have seen people actually say their own opinions instead of parroting some eceleb.
It was many people’s first game for starters. Beyond that, I thought the story was pretty fun. Radiant Dawn’s was very exciting beyond the bloodpact stuff. It’s also been retroactively elevated by the likes of Awakening and Fates that only make 9 and 10 look better. It’s got cute girls as well. Really it speaks volumes that the only repeated criticisms of it are Ike being gay apparently and muh racism. And blood pact, which is a real one to be fair.
>recency bias
it's been 5 years since 3h released. engage released much more recently and it barely reached the top 10. It's time to accept that 3 house popularity is not "a phase" and it's not going anywhere. 3H unironically will remain the most popular FE game unless the switch 2 is also a crazy success.( which probably won't be the case considering how the wii u flopped)
>It's time to accept that 3 house popularity is not "a phase"
The problem with claiming this is that it proves 3Hgays are more persona fans than FE fans, which counter intuitively does in fact cement it as just a fad.
>Awakening wasn't just a phase, and it's gays stuck around for everything afterwards, some even went back to play older games. >3Hgays only care about 3H and MAYBE trannius and refuse to play anything else (and most refuse to actually play trannius).
3 months ago
Anonymous
Right
3 months ago
Anonymous
From my experience 3H gays tend to be all over in terms of what they like.
The only consistence is tendency to dislike Fates and Engage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
5 years after awakening released people were saying the same thing about awakening gays that you are saying about 3hgays rn. And yet, now that enough time has passed, the narrative has changed to "awakening gays weren't that bad actually". Genuinely a moronic argument. Just wait another 5 years and suddenly 3Hgays will be regarded as "actually really good fans" vs whatever shit it's popular at the moment. God time is truly a circle flater than lucina's breasts.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Assuming 3H doesn't just become the FF7 of the franchise.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Awakening was the FF7 moment for Fire Emblem.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Awakening still had a single focused campaign that felt completed and gave you basically ever unit in the franchise through spotpass. 3H gave you 3.5 campaigns that were all unfinished and rushed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What does this have to do with anon talking about how Awakeninggays were also seen as 'fans of only this one game and not the whole series'.
3 months ago
Anonymous
A lot of awakening's hate was misplaced because people were only focused on surface level issues. The game however reprised a lot of features and systems from the older games. 3H is more of a departure so the hate is a little more justified but it puts its own spin on Jugdrals inheritance system
3 months ago
Anonymous
3H brings a lot of things back from other games too >shadow dragon reclass freedom >genealogy's canto >focus on "novice/villager" tier units like gaiden and sacred stones >three main lords like fe7 >multiple routes like fates >supports that aren't all almost exclusively romantical like they were in fateswakening >a more serious story more inline with older games and less like fatewakening >tons of lore elements from judgral in specific
among many other things. In the end people only focus on what's different and ignore the many similirites. It was the same with awakening, and the cope people used at the time is that the new """""fake"""" fans only cared about the vn/ romance simulator element. Aka what made that entry slightly different ignoring all the many similitaries and tributes that games pays to the rest of the franchise, in the same way that 3h does and now the cope people use is that """"fake"""" fans only care about the persona-like aspect. It's exactly the same situation, no matter how you slice it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>and the cope people used at the time is that the new """""fake"""" fans only cared about the vn/ romance simulator element.
reminder
3 months ago
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3 months ago
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A lot of those implementations they did poorly. A lot of new fans do only care about the persona aspect
3 months ago
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>not as good as the old games also the new fans only care about X
just like awakening then?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Engage had most of the same shit.
You could still have dinner with your units, you had a pool and the ability to dress them in casual clothing and swimsuits. You have a photo mode and minigames and even a 'hecking pupperino'.
If they supposedly only cared about the presence of those things then Engage still had plenty.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's missing the school aspect which is a key feature of persona
3 months ago
Anonymous
Those don't count because they just don't ok!
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's missing one arbitrary aspect that I decided is more important than the seven you just mentioned so it doesn't counted.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>implying as if 3h isn't a whole design philosophiy apart from the rest of the games >b-but it's still like the old fe's because of (relatively minor recurring features and otherwise nebulous similarities)
anon, you're delusional if you think 3h's audience has more overlap with old fe than it doesn't
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you're delusional if you think 3h's audience has more overlap with old fe than it doesn't
I can garantee that more old fe gays have played 3H than engage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's not the point moron. it's divisive for a reason
3 months ago
Anonymous
both 3 houses and engage are just as divisive.
3 months ago
Anonymous
again, not the point. while engage is divisive on account of its artstyle and writing among other things that are beyond it being a fire emblem game, 3h is divisive on account of basically fricking everything because it was that alienating from the rest of the franchise
>it's just a fad because... they are not real FE fans
what you consider to be """""""real"""""" fans or not is irrelevant. The game is popular and that's all there is to it.
Fire Emblem Engage isn't 3HRT. And the biggest point of contention was the grind and non-grind FE games. Sacred Stones predated Conquest and Birthright in appealing to the overworld (grind) people. But you know something, 3HRT gameplay systems are dead with it. It's a spinoff for a reason.
It's going away when the next Fire Emblem is another regular one that is nothing like the one time spinoff. 3HRT are bleeding out of this fanbase with every new game.
Be careful you don't bleed out the series itself. Unless you want to end up like Camelot where the team just gets relegated to Mario Spin-offs forever.
>I want FE to continue to lose fans until the series inevitably dies. >That’ll show those 3H-gays they’re not real Fire Emblem fans!
Why are anti-3H gays like this?
Some day all of you will grow up and see how meaningless all of these distinctions are,or at least I hope so. You're still in peak youth and so, peak tribalism. A fun game is a fun game in the end, and you will get no rewards in life by doing this.
They need all these copes and mental gymnastics as confimration that their game is actually good. Personally all I need to know that a game is good is that I enjoy it, but if they need a company to die and the franchise to be destroyed just to get confirmation that a game is good then I don't know what to tell them kek.
Anti-3H gays are all either snoys, heroes gays or engage vtumors and thus don't actually care about the series.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Fire Emblem 3HRT fans are biological fat childless women who should be in their Persona general on /vg/ talking about their visual novel gameplay and school life. I played Dimitri's route, that was evident enough.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>biological
at least they're biowomen!
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I played Dimitri's route >Thinks it is gay
Don't make me post the pasta
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ain't nothing gay about holding your bros hand and ballroom dancing with him
3 months ago
Anonymous
>and ballroom dancing with him
that was Claude, and he is brown so automatically gay
3 months ago
Anonymous
just bro things t b h
3 months ago
Anonymous
True, only gays with an overdose of porn on their brain would think hugging your bro while he is hurting over the death of all his family is gay
3 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly. I compliment my bros hands all the time, especially how warm they are.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Can't tell your murder hobo bro he still has humanity
Imagine seeing everything as gay
3 months ago
Anonymous
Seriously. I can't believe women enjoy this thing and ship him with F!Byleth when he's so obviously meant for his bros. Gross girls just don't get it.
Damn it has been that long hasn’t it? I also forgot about engage but that game was dead on arrival just from the clown characters alone. I suppose it’s less recency and more like it was 2 million people’s first FE. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the game and I’m glad a more serious war story blew Engage’s slop out of the water so hopefully we get more in that direction with the next game but with like a third of the time spent in hub.
Of course those homosexuals would dick suck the troony game and gay rights/social justice games.
Binding Blade also underrated as frick as expected, and Reddit is still seething over Fates.
the fact that they have fe4 on the japanese eshop and refuse to bring it to the west/translate it to english make me think either it is never going to happen or its currently in development. i already played it on emulator and loved it, but i would love to have it on switch. playing fe4 with a keyboard broke my fingers
>Tactics
On a gamewide basis, mostly removing points for blatant turtling rather than just choking >Experience
Being able to feed your shitters while still maintaining a good pace is far more indicative of player skill than most other factors >Economy
How little you spend in shops and armories, as opposed to exploitable total funds >Survival/Combat
Make them the same ranking. You should be avoiding casualties whether you reset or not, and make only win/lose ratio matter >Noblesse Oblige
How many side objectives you manage to fufill >Treasure
How many special items you manage to conserve (Gems, Legendary Weapons, Statboosters depending on the game)
Overall this is making me envision a playthrough where a strong unit weakens enemies with irons and a rotating bunch of shitters take the exp. Wouldn't it be better to incentivize a playthrough where you use those statboosters, legendary weapons, experience points, etc to optimal effect and blast through the game quickly and reliably?
Noblesse oblige sounds like a good idea, though. I feel like the rankings should mandate completion of extra objectives and it should be up to the player to find the best way to do it, rather than the exp and stuff being a direct objective. >Survival/Combat
How would that work as one rank?
>playthrough where a strong unit weakens enemies with irons and a rotating bunch of shitters take the exp
That's not necessarily a bad thing, especially since you'd have to calculate risk reward from trying to keep weaker units up to speed without being overwhelmed. It would also prevent you from constantly fielding the most op units and stomping every map, forcing you to think of how you want to allocate your heavy hitters and your shitters.
I'll admit that I'm less confident about balancing economy as it's harder to keep in check despite being potentially important for ranking (prevents op forges that trivializes the game, punishes unefficient purchases). However, treasure can be easy to balance, as most times special items just allow strong units to steamroll even harder rather than helping weaker units. >Survival/Combat
Anytime a unit dies, it counts as a loss whether you reset or not akin to as if you never reset. Meanwhile, winning battles could be a catch up factor to keep the ranking higher even if you blunder, encouraging recovering your ranking by risk taking
If that's how you like to play FE I can respect that but I think feeding weak units should be something you do for the sake of gaining in-game benefits, rather than something done exclusively for the sake of rankings.
Maybe the treasure thing could be solved with a compromise: force the player to hold onto gems but otherwise let you spend funds freely. I think the player should be able to use special weapons and forge some weapons because there is strategy in resource allocation. If you make the funds too restrictive you remove a lot of player expression and it all becomes very samey. >encouraging recovering your ranking by risk taking
So you could finish the game with dead characters and still get the best rank, as long as you get enough kills? That doesn't sounds right to me.
Rankings fundamentally affect how players will approach the game, as tactics alone created an obsession with speed over everything else. Adding an EXP rank seems far more in line with encouraging players to actually interact with the game, as players already want to train units.
As for Economy, I agree with you entirely, which is why I'm cautious to not punish players for using anything other than Irons, or to make it worthless like in FE7 where it might as well not exist at all. There is strategy in money management that FE has never been able to completely master despite its attempts.
As for Survival, I do think that players should be able to have a few deaths and still get a good ranking if they play skillfully enough, even if losing units no matter what is the unspoken taboo of FE. Still, it requires Wins to be worth a lot less than Losses and to not be easily farmable at the very least
3 months ago
Anonymous
The problem with EXP rank as it's been *actually* implemented, is that it's obnoxiously at odds with FE's *actual* incentives. It's obviously fricking stupid to spread EXP thin across 30 units in any FE game, and to baby shit units just for the sake of it, but this is what EXP rank has demanded we do in the past.
If a ranking, and EXP were to be a factor, the game would need to be carefully balanced to prevent this kind of silliness.
Personally I think it'd be ideal to simply make a game where you have some incentive to actually use a diverse array of units across the playthrough, like Thracia 776. That's what really counts, using a variety of units and tactics to contribute to a clear, not feeding some shitty archer last hits.
3 months ago
Anonymous
EXP can be dangerous as a rank if you make it as strict as FE7, but I think it can work fine if you simply balance it around not giving your overtrained units over 70% of the kills or some ratio like that. Rankings don't all have to be extremely harsh, as long as they provide incentive for interacting with the game skillfully.
Fatigue also wasn't a bad idea, but its implementation simply wasn't good. If I were to implement it, I'd give units debuffs for being fielded too often instead of forcing them on the bench, and would give incentives to use different unit types (i.e. by forcing dismounting indoors, by having more varied terrain that some units can exploit better than others, chokepoints)
3 months ago
Anonymous
>but I think it can work fine if you simply balance it around not giving your overtrained units over 70% of the kills or some ratio like that
This unintuitive, though.
For one, kill ratio is not viewable in the game until the epilogue. But even if it were made into a viewable stat, it would just seem ridiculous. "You're too fricking good, Marcus, hit the bench."
Funnily enough if you explain overuse as fatigue - this unit is "tired" from too much fighting - it starts to make sense. But then you need to enforce it at the level of the game itself, not merely suggest "h-hey, give someone else a chance, fella" or players will rightfully ignore it.
I don't like stat penalties myself. It's a very half assed measure and is prone to backfire in many ways.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I wrote it as kill ratio, but ofc the actual value calculated would be exp gained. Since FE already accounts for exp points gained by how powerful the character is, you can easily convert kills into exp for the actual formula post testing. Also, as ridicoulous as it seems, the games and players already encourage not overusing units for being too good, as it's considered wise to train the new blood incase something happens to your powerhouse or if he can't keep up. >But then you need to enforce it at the level of the game itself, not merely suggest "h-hey, give someone else a chance, fella" or players will rightfully ignore it.
Yeah, that's the main concern with encouraging varying units. Players will rarely want to try out new units no matter how good they can be if they're alredy satisfied with their current performance. Not only does the map design have to encourage it, the players must also be pushed to use other units than the ones they've grown attached to. Stat penalties can work for that imo, but as you said, it can't be half assed and has to become a growing problem without making the game unbearable
3 months ago
Anonymous
For survival I think you should need to have everyone alive at the end of the game, whether by resetting or using revival items. But if you just savescum unreliable tactics until everything works out that's not good either, so the FE4-like system that records deaths after resetting is also important.
As for combat wins & feeding weak units that might be better moved to the character endings. In the Langrisser series a character gets a bad ending if he suffers a retreat (dying in a map), gets a disappointing ending if he finishes the game without dying but has few kills, and gets the best ending if he never dies and kills a lot of enemies.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's pretty much what I had in mind, and borrowing a page from Langrisser isn't a bad idea either. Mostly, the goal of this rank is to see if the player's strategy is reliable or not.
Suppose I were to do a playthrough of FE5 with your ranking system, what would be required for the best ranking? >beat game under [#]? turns >approximately how many levels should I feed to shitters that I don't plan on using? >no buying from shops? >recruit 47 characters >can finish the game with characters dead but only [#], resets count and characters temporarially captured by enemies count as losses >all sidequests e.g. waiting many turns in 14x to transport civilians >should I go to 21x or leave nobody behind? >hoard stat boosters, skill manuals, and what else?
>more than turncount
Yes, hence Survival
If you don't want the entire game to be warpskippable, simply limit warp. It's not that complicated, Conquest did it.
what's really going to happen is that it'll turn off all the women who were there for three houses and their support conversations, putting fire emblem in another dark period after the slop that was engage
Basically no way it's a heavy hitter unless it gets a major rework to bring the presentation and gameplay in line with the modern titles... Which would piss off the fans of Genealogy to no end, so what would even be the point of doing a remake in the first place?
You don't want an FE4 remake because you think it's a good game they'll make worse. I don't want an FE4 remake because I know it's a shit game they can't make better. We are not the same
You may have noticed sometimes a thread could be 200+ posts in without much infighting but then 3HRT and Engayge will be posted for the first time within 10-15 minutes of each other and then the spam follows shortly after
>2 on the list are pussies worse than alear at the start of engage >2 are mary sues to appeal to femoids that still manage to come off as whiny b***hes >one is a literal cuck >one can't even wipe his own ass without someone's help
i will leave up to you which is which because that's funnier
>war crime committing pedophile overlord of Daein part of a secret tribe that controls most of the world (Bengion)
Sometimes IS plays a little to close to reality
Is it really just one or two shitposters? Someone said it was a discord raid a couple of threads ago but I don’t know if that’s actually the case or just a guess on anon’s part
>memed into finally playing Tear Ring Saga by Kagagays >gameplay is shit >just Gaiden 2.0 >FRICKING cantors and mogalls are back
Some characters being entertaining isn't worth this... but I'm no quitter so I'll persist
Dude Genealogy is the peak of the franchise! >visits arena for the twentieth time
You need to take time on building your team! >resets for the sixth time
The game is balanced and fun! >step out of castle, instantly see neutral unit getting gangraped
Literally peak FE characters, I loved getting them all! >cavalier kills recruitable unit in one hit
Older FE games definitely had a tough but fair approach to them! >WHAT THE FRICK YOU MEAN I NEED A SKILL CALLED PURSUIT TO DOUBLE? >miss one village item, unit is now useless without it
Storygays should play this too, literally peak FE storytelling! >Sigurd gets cucked
VGH...KagaSOVL...they don't make them like they used to...
I like how FE is so intertwined with piracy that it's the main recommended way to experience the games, to the point where even Nintendo doesn't give a shit about it. Hell, Nintendo blatantly sold FE1's rom with their own emulator as a limited time deal, as if that didn't reveal how easy the games are to pirate and how emulation gives features that work well with FE.
The piracy stuff would probably go away if Nintendo could be bother to release some of the games. To this day the only non piracy way to play most of these games is by buying expensive copies and playing it on the original hardware. It's almost like Nintendo doesn't want people to play FE.
Expensive copies and hardware not even sold by Nintendo, by the way. Nintendo is just leaving money on the table by failing to make their old games available
>fast forward
There's realistically no other way to play it today except emulation, so yes, it can be assumed fast forward is just a basic part of the game today. Saves states are not needed however, as it lets you save each turn.
All 10 hardcore FE4 fans ready to write 3,000 word reviews on why the remake is bad because they couldn't use save and load state outside an emulator. The pinnacle of our franchise.
Isn't the only English patch of FE4 so broken that it actually reverts to Japanese halfway into the game? Heard nothing but it being an unfinished patch.
It's not like most Awakeninggays went back and played older games, if we're being realistic. That was never the case. A small faction of Awakeningbabs did including me.
I imagine it's the same with 3H - small fraction. The difference is, 3H is just such massive normalBlack person catnip, that proportionally fewer of its neophytes will be interested in non-3H games. It just pulled in so many wine moms and gays. I don't know why this should be a controversial statement.
It's not like every Awakening/Fatesgay bought Echoes.
Engage just didn't interest them, if the next game seems interesting they'll probably pick it up.
I don't see what's the problem.
True, I just think people often don't make a clear enough distinction between the hardcore and casual audience, in assessing sales/popularity. There's nothing wrong with being a casual fan, I'm a casual fan of some things. But people blob both groups together when demographically they're quite distinct.
The problem is that the 'hardcore' and 'casual' split is very arbitrary and could easily lead to people splitting it with a bias to get the result they want.
>arbitrary
It's like...one of the least arbitrary constants in, tf you talking about. It's such a pronounced distinction, marketers tailor entire advertising campaigns around it.
My mom is a casual gamer, she plays Candy Crush and shit. I never have, and she doesn't know what a Fire Emblem even is, and could never be convinced to care. And by extension, there are games that are too hardcore even for me. It's a spectrum I guess, but by no means arbitrary. You can predict a lot about a person's tastes and purchasing habits by their most played games, the platforms/consoles they own, etc.
You can easily find a turbocasual.
But by the same metric a turbocasual wouldn't be playing FE in the first place.
Problem is, how do you split the fanbase into those two camps.
Are Awakeninggays hardcore fans now? How many games do have to have played? Can they be only official english releases? Which games are you allowed to start with? Which opinions are 'hardcore'?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But by the same metric a turbocasual wouldn't be playing FE in the first place. >FE not the intro babby series of SRPGs
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOo
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Are Awakeninggays hardcore fans now?
Yes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Are Awakeninggays hardcore fans now?
awakening's lunatic is unironically the only game hard enough in the franchise to make even the most autistic gameplaygays flinch in fear
3 months ago
Anonymous
awakening lunatic+ is dumb but it's not hard
try fe12 h4 or h3 off a new save file
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're making it about social achievements when it isn't, it's a simple difference in interest levels and purchasing habits. A good rule of thumb is, hardcore FE fans will buy (or pirate and play) FE games, period.
They're not going to wait on a review or their buddy to tell them if the girls can be fricked/married to get interested.
It's people like us keeping an ear to the wall for the news. People who will know about a new FE game announcement within 24 hours, and know what places to go to for more info/discussion, no matter what else they may be up to.
3 months ago
Anonymous
> A good rule of thumb is, hardcore FE fans will buy (or pirate and play) FE games, period.
That sounds like a stupid idea man. And a quick way to get to Gamefreak level dev apathy. > People who will know about a new FE game announcement within 24 hours
Most people will know that considering Nintendo Directs are a thing now.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like you're being obtuse at this point. I'm not telling you to consoom, I'm just describing the behavior of an enthusiast - what any kind of enthusiast will do. You have to make your own decisions regarding what's right to do. >Most people will know that considering Nintendo Directs are a thing now.
It's about interest. I'm assailed with ads daily wherever I go, but I tune 99% of what gets through my adblock out. Even other tendie shit. I notice FE news, though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Plenty of enthusiasts will only support the parts of the franchise they like.
And some people with interest in the franchise itself just didn't find Engage specifically interesting.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't even say anything about Engage.
My point, again, is that you're interested in "the franchise." You're interested in Fire Emblem games. This is a pretty damn good barometer of whether you'd be willing to buy and/or play more Fire Emblem games.
Now compare (you) to someone who is just interested in "well reviewed turn based RPG Nintendo Switch games."
You're telling me there's no distinction there?
3 months ago
Anonymous
And who's to say people who started with 3H aren't interested in 'the franchise'.
If you started with the Switch, then guess what, it's kind of a pain to go back and get those old games. >But piracy!
Not as popular as you think it is. People want to support the official release. And then add to that the possibility of remakes/remasters, which means some people intentionally hold off on playing them because they want to experience them 'officially'.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Not as popular as you think it is. People want to support the official release. And then add to that the possibility of remakes/remasters, which means some people intentionally hold off on playing them because they want to experience them 'officially'.
Also zoomers are less likely to do the whole emulation piracy thing since they think they'll go to jail.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I can be an FEgay without playing FE
Fricking pathetic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If you started with the Switch, then guess what, it's kind of a pain to go back and get those old games.
So this whole ridiculous conversation is you coping about not wanting to play any games but 3H (and Engage? which you don't like), and also not wanting to emulate ancient 5kb games which can be played on a calculator.
My whole fricking point is, if you're interested in the series, you're interested and it's obvious when you're interested. No one is gonna bully you if you just like one game. Don't make my point for me, though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I like plenty of FE games besides 3H.
The problem is the assertion that 3Hgays are somehow any different from Awakeninggays.
Or any future NewPopularFEgays.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I like plenty of FE games besides 3H.
Do you...play them? >The problem is the assertion that 3Hgays are somehow any different from Awakeninggays.
Maybe you're mixing up with someone else. The only thing I said regarding 3H is that it attracted a much broader audience of players than we've seen before, many of whom are definitely fairly casual about FE. 3Hgays more or less admit this, they thump their chests about the game's big sales. What I'm asking is, how many of these "fans" were ever going to be "fans" of FE itself?
This is a pragmatic question that demands a pragmatic answer, and no feelings. Not everyone who plays your game will be a lifelong fan. It's a relevant question to the series' future success.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you...play them?
yes. here's my ranking.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Subtle shitpost
3 months ago
Anonymous
>3Hgays more or less admit this, they thump their chests about the game's big sales.
You're acting like Engagegays weren't thumping their chest at the big pre-order numbers before they lost the war on that front. >What I'm asking is, how many of these "fans" were ever going to be "fans" of FE itself?
Kinda hard to tell, because, you know, the next FE game went in a direction they didn't like.
If the next FE game is 3H inspired and some people don't buy it because they don't like that direction for the series then I'm not gonna say they're not FE fans.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You're acting like Engagegays weren't thumping their chest at the big pre-order numbers before they lost the war on that front.
My god, 3Hgays have never been as loud as engaygies were during prelaunch, good thing they all are either dead or trooned out
3 months ago
Anonymous
In the end 3Htards lost for the exact same reason westoids always lose.
They only care about what other people think of them when consooming media, which is why they have so few games, and why they are desperate to die on this hill.
Meanwhile anyone that unironically liked engage can just move on to other kino and come back to the next game if they like it too, the game already recouped dev costs, why does it matter how popular it is past that when AA games in japan have always survived with shoestring budgets and small cult followings?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Literally schizophrenia
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You're acting like my [headcanon of what you said]
Again, never mentioned Engage. It's not relevant to the topic of how many 3H players are "converts." >some people don't buy it because they don't like that direction for the series then I'm not gonna say they're not FE fans.
I never made this argument
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not relevant to the topic of how many 3H players are "converts."
Why bring up 3H fans saying their game sold a lot?
The Switch has 4 Fire Emblem games, half of them are fricking musou titles. The other one is an anniversary game with a bunch of characters whose games are a pain in the ass to play unless you're like the 0.001% of FE fans who pirates.
3 months ago
Anonymous
BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION
to recap:
3H sold *a lot*
It's commonly said that 3H brought a lot of new players into **THE** fanbase
So the question: Is this true? Did it actually expand in a permanent, meaningful way? Probably, insofar that any reasonably successful game does. But to the tune of ~4 million? Probably not!
My hypothesis is that 3H may very well be the peak of the franchise for the forseeable future, irrespective of perceived game quality
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But to the tune of ~4 million?
Well, not that, but that's because 2 million Awakening fans were also there right before (and however many Fates fans there are, it's hard to tell). >Did it actually expand in a permanent, meaningful way?
Yeah. People are still paying for Edelgard/Dimitri PNGs in Heroes. If this was just 'o hey, looks like a cool game, bye' type of fans they wouldn't be whaling in an FE gatcha. >3H may very well be the peak of the franchise for the forseeable future
Maybe, but I doubt the gap will be all that big unless the next Nintendo console is a big bomba (which I wouldn't want in general).
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If you started with the Switch, then guess what, it's kind of a pain to go back and get those old games.
This anon makes a critical point. Excelblem did this rant as a joke in his first Engage run but there was a lot of truth in it.
You cannot get Fates in its complete form anymore. The e-shop shutdown has made that impossible
You cannot get Awakening in its complete form anymore. The e-shop shutdown has locked out the DLC
You cannot get the Tellius games unless you're willing to shell out ~$200 for the game alone and a gamecube
If you were really sold on the series after 3H and Engage then maybe you'll play 7 on NSO. Which is a subscription service you don't own. No FE6 unless you make a Japanese account and no FE8 at all. And the discussion ends there because FE 2 through 5 were never sold in the west and Blade of Light was taken off NSO to induce artificial scarcity
Why aren't there """real""" Fire Emblem fans? Because IS doesn't want you to be. Unless you going to argue that they want you to emulate the older games. To put it in perspective, I can purchase any Final Fantasy up to 9 on my cellphone right now if I find myself interested in the series with 10 and 12 available on console with most of the others.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Pirating everything up to GBA is easy as frick. You need slightly more technical know-how to get the dual screen games going, and a reasonable PC for Tellius (idk maybe some phones can do it now). There really isn't an excuse to play old games other than disinterest.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Just going to pirouette around the point right? Or did you just read the first line and immediately assume I didn't bring up that exact argument?
>Why aren't there """real""" Fire Emblem fans? Because IS doesn't want you to be. Unless you going to argue that they want you to emulate the older games
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's a stupid fricking point and I hate it. If you're interested in old FE games, you can play them RIGHT NOW EASILY. You don't need to put more cents in Nintendo's coffers and let them triple and quadruple dip on games the size of an Excel spreadsheet, unless you're an absolute omega giga cuckold who can only associated gaming with payment.
Do you pay to read Moby-Dick, or do you hit up your local library/Project Gutenberg?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I will never understand why Nintendo didn't do a Fire Emblem collection for the 30th anniversary, they did one for Mario's 35th anniversary, instead we get a limited time digital re-release of the first game and that's it. It's not too big of a deal for a filthy pirate like me, but most of Nintendo's fans are terrified of emulation, and will only play an older Nintendo game if it's a re-relase or an original copy, the latter of which is difficult considering the Tellius games cost a small fortune.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nintendo
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3 months ago
Anonymous
Nintendo are the publishers, they're the ones responsible for re-releases of Fire Emblem games
3 months ago
Anonymous
NINTENDO ISNT YOUR COMMUNIST UTOPIA FRICKING PEOPLE ARE NOT SLAVES YOU DUMB Black person FRICK UNDERSTAND THAT FRICKING NINTENDO IS NINTENDO BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY GAVE DEVS POWER OVER THE DECISION MAKING
Honestly, you americans think everything has to be communist, delegation exists, moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Take your meds
3 months ago
Anonymous
i don't know what are you even saying, i'm not reading that shit
i will just say this: cope and seethe, you fricking lost
*dabs*
I don't know how to feel about FE Heroes. Some of the designs are nice and it is fun to play what are essentially mini Awakening maps, sounds and all, but frick if they aren't trying to squeeze the player for money at every opportunity.
Some day all of you will grow up and see how meaningless all of these distinctions are,or at least I hope so. You're still in peak youth and so, peak tribalism. A fun game is a fun game in the end, and you will get no rewards in life by doing this.
>how meaningless all of these distinctions are
They're really not in the opinion of corporations trying to very hard control your existence, and if you ever used/trusted any kind of rating system or consented to targeted ads, or clicked on a video recommended by an algorithm, you're seeing the value in "these distinctions."
>I want FE to continue to lose fans until the series inevitably dies. >That’ll show those 3H-gays they’re not real Fire Emblem fans!
Why are anti-3H gays like this?
I agree with this except for 3 houses and Shadow Dragon’s placements.
Not saying they should be swapped, just that 3 houses should be lower and Shadow Dragon should be a little higher, maybe just under or just above Engage.
Why?
It wasn’t amazing but I enjoyed it well enough when I played it ages ago.
Then again I was like 13 or whatever when it first released and I played it on DS so maybe my taste was just shit back then?
What are the common complaints gameplay wise?
[...]
[...] >60+ posts later and no can can answer my question of why Shadow Dragon is so hated
Have any of you actually played Shadow Dragon or has it just been repeated and memed so much that everyone assumes it as a fact?
Like the inverse effect of how Geneology is perceived positively by people who’ve never played it.
Personally I feel more of a desire to replay Shadow Dragon than I have any game Awakening onward.
Fire Emblem 3HRT is already one game down. If FE4 Remake is real, that's two games down. The developers are done with you experimental game, proper FE is back with Engage. Persona 3 Reload is down the street, perfect place for FE 3HRT Reddit fans.
>yeah the remake should be completly faithfull on every level
if picrel remains uncahnged in the remake I'm not buying the game. Same with all the moronic tame wasting shit like the million forest tiles in chapter 1, the arena grind, etc.
What the hell is going on with FE4s graphics. The portraits are terrible but the terrain and UI are soulful as frick. At least 5 improves upon the portrait issue.
I didn't expect to like her as much. Annette was really disappointing, a poor man's Cordelia. Annette's "perfect" but plain looking, Dorothea's at least had more to her character than looks.
>Why aren't there """real""" Fire Emblem fans? Because IS doesn't want you to be. Unless you going to argue that they want you to emulate the older games
This should answer your question
>3houses good story shit gameplay >engage shit story good gameplay
yeah same. I value both gameplay and story equally so they end up balancing out in the end for me.
Awakening had a merge feature, one-button press that combined consumables into brand new verions. Dunno why they never brought it back. I guess they thought it was a little too convenient or something?
Merge feature in Awakening was amazing. In fact out of all the Fire Emblem games today I believe Awakening has the most options for customization. Fates carried over most but by Three Houses they were gone. First thing I always do is check the Options menu for what's there, shame the Fire Emblem Awakening UI got overruled in the newer games.
I toss them on anyone with empty inventory space, on units that I don't expect to take much damage or to the Lord if he has convoy access. They're anything but useless
You don't understand chud, they TOTALLY wouldn't change the script! I swear!
Funnily enough I just came across a video of two former NoA employees kvetching because when they tried to b***h out the Odyssey devs for having Peach get kidnapped, they responded by shrugging their shoulders and saying they don't see a problem.
Fire Emblem Fates had a literal steampunk tier DLC class that could summon automatons. It was wild, forgot the name but it was something like an XCOM unit.
I doubt it. For some reason there is a HUGE crossover with gays, lesbians, and transsexuals in the west which accounts for the schizo lefty tier posting but it's just a game series to the japs so there's less of an autistic draw for this kind of spiteful shitposting.
as someone that engages (heh) with jp discussion, nah they are far worse, the only difference is they don't engage with media for social approval but for personal enjoyment, otherwise the same type of schizoing happens, just on far larger magnitudes
which to be fair is less obnoxious because you get far less morons that don't play/read x but still praise/shit on it (but they still exist), but on the other hand the shitflinging is far more fricking vicious
Why are people so afraid that the next fire emblem will be like 3H or engage? Are you all newbies??? IS always trys to reinvent the wheel with every new entry. That's both the charm and curse of this franchise. The future game will have another unique gimmick tha the whole game will revolve around and it will ben othing like 3h, engage or any prior game.
People just can't get too far away from the moment they're living in. I remember when Awakening was the hot thing, the fear was its inevitability, how every game would have marriage and children in it because that's what "saved the series." Then they did a fricking Gaiden remake out of nowhere and never looked back. This series is pure distilled schizophrenia, there is no predicting what's next.
It didn't. It was never meant to be a big seller. And they did it anyway. You simply don't know what's around the corner.
I'll remind you, people couldn't even believe the Engage leaks were real. That's how absurd toothpaste hair seemed at the time, now we're just used to it.
Awakening chads which side do we join in the pro and anti 3 Houses civil war? And since we are the older ones but not the oldest, someone else has to go pick up Eliwood and Hector gays from their old people nursing home. That means you Echoes Shadows of Valentia babies, go pick up the old Fire Emblem gays next to the the Ike games brothel.
I have never played Valentia, is Alm really stuck with Celica? As far as I know all Fire Emblem Lords endings are vague enough with who they end up with, but Valentia sounds like Alm always plows into Celica ginger pussy?
>As far as I know all Fire Emblem Lords endings are vague enough with who they end up with
Only on the LGBT games >fe1 and 3
Marth x Caeda >fe2
Alm x Celica >fe4
Sigurd x Deirdre Seliph x Julia >fe5
Leif x Nanna
For the record Ike is a Lord in 2 Fire Emblem games and has no pairing. The Princess shipping tease was not in the original Path of Radiance script, Nintendo of America Treehouse added it.
I kind of like the Alcryst X Ivy support because it's one of the few that acknowledges the main plot. Alcryst doesn't immediately trust Ivy. She's of Elusia. She assisted in his father's murder. They are not friends even if they are allies, at least at first.
Ivy should have been a secondary antagonist rather then Recruitable, kinda like Edelgard, a tyrant brutally suppressing opposition that made a pact with Shadow israelites, Diamant should have left Elusia in Rubble
We're getting an FE6 remake before we'd ever get an FE4 remake. >The game sold better >Roy is one of the most beloved lords in the series (and it doesn't matter that his fans are all smash secondaries, they're still potential sales) >They can go full sovless and shove Lyn in for those Blazing Blade baby bucks
Anon they literally made the Engage narrative despite being well aware of how controversial Fates and Awakening's stories were. They will absolutely "make the same mistake" especially when Intsys has a hard on for FE4.
Disingenuous. Awakening's story wasn't considered all that good back then, pretty sure it was outright acknowledged before by Intsys too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>pretty sure it was outright acknowledged before by Intsys too.
Things that never happened: the post.
Awakening's story was enjoyable enough that they got a legit writer wanting to work on Fates and then they proceeded to throw out 90% of what the guy wrote and butchered his story.
Awakening is one of the least bad stories in the franchise though. There is very little in Awakening's story that's actually poorly written, even the time travel element is done in an acceptable manner.
They could rework some of the supports though, get rid of all those food supports.
Truth is no single FE character is so good and popular they sell a game by just being in it
Which is why IS should just focus on always making new and exciting games
Remakes and rereleases in FE always flop
If the next game is a remake this series is as good as dead unless a new one is released one year later
The last new exciting game was 3H and that was shit.
>>The game sold better
FE4 sales: 0.498 million units sold
FE6 sales: 0.346 million units sold >>Roy is one of the most beloved lords in the series (and it doesn't matter that his fans are all smash secondaries, they're still potential sales)
Engage had every FE character from Smash, yet sold less than 3H >>They can go full sovless and shove Lyn in for those Blazing Blade baby bucks
Okay you win
Truth is no single FE character is so good and popular they sell a game by just being in it
Which is why IS should just focus on always making new and exciting games
Remakes and rereleases in FE always flop
If the next game is a remake this series is as good as dead unless a new one is released one year later
That's exactly what IM SAYING TOO
If the next game is a remake, it's gonna drop FEH's sales and ranking to new lows
A remake just isn't worth it right now, and honestly it never is
Fiona is supposed to be autoleveled to Level 9, but instead what happens is that she still joins at level 9, but with her level 1 bases. So she has 8 less levels worth of stats than she's supposed to have
That's exactly what IM SAYING TOO
If the next game is a remake, it's gonna drop FEH's sales and ranking to new lows
A remake just isn't worth it right now, and honestly it never is
Why? FE4 has loads upon loads of characters not in FEH. A remake would only heighten interest in what are essentially nobodies for the wider audiences. FE4's one of the few casts that still have a lot of characters, characters of note no less. The only other sellers left are Engage and 3H. Every other cast ran out or lack selling power.
That's exactly what IM SAYING TOO
If the next game is a remake, it's gonna drop FEH's sales and ranking to new lows
A remake just isn't worth it right now, and honestly it never is
Alts are the biggest profit pushers and a remake is a perfect opportunity to shove in alts. >Remake Roy and Lilina with a new five paragraph effect description PRF >Old Man Hector, Eliwood, and inexplicably sexier Lyn for the Blazing Blade gays to soi over.
Lol you're moronic
They can make Alts right now they don't need a remake for it
Releasing a remake this year or next year and making us wait +4 years for a new game means we're looking at +6 years without new characters
Think about what that'll do to FEH
Shit will get stale quick
Which is why we need faster releases of new entire casts
3 houses characters were able to inject new life into FEH even when it was going bad, we need more successfully popular characters and that can only be gotten by making brand new games
don't care
what the fu-
>filename
Ahh
Better poll
https://strawpoll.com/DwyoDK8YDnA
Why are Fire Emblem 4 remake keks the laughing stock of the Fire Emblem franchise?
The true comedy is the realization that even if it did happen, the people clamoring for it would hate it
And it would flop
Unless this hypothetical FE4 remake was poorly marketed, or released in an unfinished state, I don't see how a remake of the game that inspired the two most successful games in the franchise would flop
3 Houses and what other game?
Either way 3 houses mogs it in every way possible. No way is FE4 making over one million sales
Echoes had better marketing than Fates and Engage and barely made it to a million sales years after it came out
>3 Houses and what other game?
Awakening
>No way is FE4 making over one million sales
Every FE since Awakening has sold at least one million copies (TMS doesn't count), why wouldn't an FE4 remake do the same
>Echoes had better marketing than Fates and Engage and barely made it to a million sales years after it came out
Because it released on the 3DS the same year the Switch released. It was also the second most successful 3DS game that released that year (first was Pokemon UltraSun and UltraMoon).
I love my blonde beautiful buccaneer wife Brigid!
Sex with Firenese woman!
Fire Emblem GameCube is a female groomer video game.
Micaiah's game was on Wii, not GameCube
you promise?
PoV: 2 year old she found at the playground
What are some Ganker approved FE romhacks? Other than Vows of Fate, of course.
Andaron Saga
MK404
Order Of The Crimson Arm
Whoever thinks jugshit will be a heavy hitter is moronic
Do you agree with reddit
Holy shit taste. It does explain why 3HRT and Trannius posts are so low quality, at least
>El Canuck
I don’t care what reddit thinks or believes nor do I understand why anyone would
It's not too bad no surprise 3H is number one for them. The only big issue I have is that I think fates should be above engage and blinding blade.
i will be surprised of more than 1% of the people that voted for trannius games actually played them
Surprised Geneology isn't higher (same with Binding Blade somewhat).
For comparison, here's a Jap version (held close to Engage's launch, so Engage's placement is a bit uncertain).
why are you surprised a game with no official western release is low outside japan.
The FE Reddit seemed to have a lot of Geneologygays.
>The FE Reddit seemed to have a lot of Geneologygays
You've been on FE Reddit?
they are just louder, if youre deep enough into a fandom to have played a translated rom of a game youre more likely to stick around and talk about it. the average FE redditor is someone who joined after 3houses release, lurks, isnt very active, and is mainly there to see art of the characters
What makes you think redditors need to play a game in order to rate it as their favorite FE?
Nips have far better taste, even if they still suffer from normalgays and pseuds. Notice how Engage and Fates rate way higher with them for instance, as they don't worship western ecelebs
Engage is kinda hard to judge due to having a lot of recency bias when the poll was held.
Fates did okay, but being below Path of Radiance isn't a good look.
Pretty much.
If this is true, what did Jap FE fans think about Engage getting completely btfo in this year’s CYL?
They're probably asking themselves why anyone would vote for Alfonse, especially to the point of making him First Place. I wouldn't be surprised if nips respect the western fanbase even less than we do
Engage had the most votes in CYL this year. They were just spread among many characters, and not like, say, female Robin getting 1/3 of all Awakening votes.
Of course, I forgot the pic
At the end of the day most of the problems with westoid media discourse boil down to westoids being utterly fricking desperate to come off as mature from the media they mindlessly consoom.
This is why a good 90% of the anti-engage copypasted arguments )from muh vtubers to muh shounen plot and more) boil down to "It's not SERIOUS and MATURE enough and that makes me feel icky".
Likewise if something serves that purpose like trannius or 3hrt they will praise that shit to death despite it's atrocious flaws like muh more people and muh wacism/classism bad (and blood pacts), and you know, the gameplay just being shit.
Why are you acting like you aren't replying to a Jap poll where 3H utterly dominated?
Because most of japan doesn't really give a frick about larping how mature they are through their media they consume.
Reminder DQ is one of the highest grossing games every time it releases and pokemon I think is still THE highest grossing franchise on the globe, not just japan.
But why do I expect reading comprehension from a westoid with a victim complex?
>Because most of japan doesn't really give a frick about larping how mature they are through their media they consume.
The two most popular games are both some of the most serious.
>Reminder DQ is one of the highest grossing games every time it releases
Because it's nostalgic?
>Pokemon
Because it's literally the only series doing that specific formula. And merch, Pokemon actually makes most of it's money off merch.
Pretty much, it's also why Gaiden is deservingly at the bottom of the nip ranking, while r*dditors suck it off. Nips are too busy enjoying media to care what gays think of them for enjoying said media.
interesting how the #1 spot is actually contended on the reddit list but on the nip list it's not even close, 3H won by a landslide
I think the reddit list is a 'rank every game' list while NLab just asks for your favorite.
That somewhat changes the dynamic.
Plus, the Reddit one probably has more dedicated fans while the Jap one probably has more normalgays.
I'd love to see what this list looks like now. I always assume these Japanese polls include much higher percentages of children and therefore overweight New Thing—is Engage popular now? Is the popularity of Three Houses robust?
>is Engage popular now?
I dunno, I think Engage just kinda came and went. Apparetly it's manga isn't doing super well, but like, who expects anything out of licenseshit tie-in manga anyway?
I didn't even know there was a manga. Did other recent Fire Emblem games have manga adaptations that did better?
I guess it's not surprising. Engage's story and characters were an afterthought compared to the battles
>Did other recent Fire Emblem games have manga adaptations that did better?
Some gag strips.
Also, Crown of Niblung or something? It was a Fates manga, I think it got canceled before it could complete it's story.
Apparently the manga did better than they thought because they started selling out.
Wasn't that after the guy writing it complained about it not selling enough?
Also, might be something about that specific volume being out for a while already.
He didn’t complain, he was sad then they clarified that it was actually good. Apparently IS fricked up not telling people where to find the manga.
The FE4 one has some cultural impact mostly due to incest
The side adventure with the OCs during Binding Blade also had some impact with them being referenced through items in the game
>filename
ackshually you forgot bsfe
i'm still mad at myself for losing my fe12 cartridge in biology class. the game was so fricking kino and it was my first import. i even have my dumped save from before i lost it
how the frick do you lose a game cartridge in biology class
i was dumb enough to leave the raw cheezit in my pocket at the time. i've always carried the games i wanted to take with me in a hidden jacket pocket or anything more secure than baggy pants since
With combined votes (notes that some of this wouldn't really be fair)
>23% (1994) 3H
>22.8% (1974) Komuro
>15.2% (1308) GBA
>14% (1212) Jugdral
>13.9% (1205) Fateswakening
>12.5% (1080) Tellius
>11.6% (998) Elibe
>11.5% (997) GotHW
>8.9% (769) Engage
>7.5% (652) Awakening
>7.5% (646) Marth
>7.3% (628) PoR
>7.2% (620) Blazing
>6.4% (553) Fates
>5.2% (452) RD
>5.1% (442) Mystery
>4.4% (376) Binding
>3.6% (309) SS
>3.1% (272) Echoes
>2.5% (215) Thracia
>2.4% (204) Shadow Dragon
Does Thracia have actual backlash in Japan? I'd think it would be a little more locked to 4. Or is there just no way to play it and japs won't emulate?
It came out at the turn of the millennium - on the SNES. They probably just didn't play it, same as us.
But they put genealogy at 2
There's practically no relation from a sales/timing standpoint
Thracia came closer to the wii's launch than the snes, it came months before the Gamecube, between fe4 and 5 passed most (90%) of the life of the N64
I assume the vast majority of people being polled didn't play fe4 when it was new either though
All the Trannius and Path of Reddit posters were right all along...
I agree with this except for 3 houses and Shadow Dragon’s placements.
Not saying they should be swapped, just that 3 houses should be lower and Shadow Dragon should be a little higher, maybe just under or just above Engage.
Cope man
Everyone Hates Shadow Dragon it's literally the worst game
Why?
It wasn’t amazing but I enjoyed it well enough when I played it ages ago.
Then again I was like 13 or whatever when it first released and I played it on DS so maybe my taste was just shit back then?
What are the common complaints gameplay wise?
Blade of light, gaiden, and Genealogy exist, so it can't be the worst
>SD better than Genealogy
gameplay memes have gone too far
Geneology has some of the worst map design in the series, people only praise it because of "realism" and "muh gameplay story integration". But actually playing it is miserable
>Geneology has some of the worst map design in the series
It absolutely does not, this has always been a stupid secondary meme. The maps are big and might fatigue you personally if you binge them, this does not make them bad. They're packed with tons of detail and conscious design decisions.
>he put a lot of thought into the map design and made it bad on purpose!
It's still not fun
You're entitled to your opinion, but it's just hard to take most of the criticism seriously when 80% of it is "le big." Occasionally you get "backtracking" or "forests."
Don't forget the armies of 20 enemy units that rush you and need to have their AI dumbed down to not be unfair
>inb4 "just use Shannan"
nta but we were talking about map design, as far as that goes, genealogy's map design is great
unit balancing is a different thing entirely unless you're talking gameplay as a whole, which we weren't
What's the issue
It's a nice gimmick that are supposed to strategize to get around
You're not one of those savescum gays that relies on luck, are you?
seconding this, these games really aren't made to be binged in the first place so not even map fatigue is a real issue if playing the game as intended
Frick ofd, let me speed through several maps in the earlygame and then seethe as I blunder a unit due to fatigue. If that's not the core FE experience, then what is?
>BUT IT HAS NO SUPPORTS! IT HAS TO BE THE WORST BECAUSE MY FAVORITE YOUTUBER SAID SO!
i'm tired of post-3ds babies parroting this meme
You're coping. Everyone hated it before 3DS games existed why do you think it flopped so bad? It's an ugly remake of no real substance.
Frick you. Frick you a million times. The purple prose of that one was a delight to read through. The elemental nature of the story makes it timeless, and the way it's presented makes it last forever.
not when genealogy and gaiden exist
>b-but muh zigludo
maybe actually try playing the games
>60+ posts later and no can can answer my question of why Shadow Dragon is so hated
Have any of you actually played Shadow Dragon or has it just been repeated and memed so much that everyone assumes it as a fact?
Like the inverse effect of how Geneology is perceived positively by people who’ve never played it.
Personally I feel more of a desire to replay Shadow Dragon than I have any game Awakening onward.
>60+ posts later and no can can answer my question of why Shadow Dragon is so hated
Ugly graphics, lack of supports, a gaiden chapter at odds with how most people play FE, can't play the prologue on Hard, didn't update the plot enough
That's the general complaints I remember.
I don't care what normalgays think
Shadow Dragon DS is fun because of all the jank, I like cheesing maps with ballistae and forged weapons
I also like fe4
My experience of shadow dragon:
>God it's fricking ugly, but I'll force myself to play it on hard 3 or whatever it's called
>What a brutal experience that was, at least the difficulty made me fully immerse myself into the game and get to know the strong characters that helped me
3 months pass
>Who the frick was in that game besides marth and wolfensedgar
>Used Wold and Segdar
You didn't beat the game
they're not that good
win spear and warp staff are much more important
ballista cheese also
even in terms of pure combat barst is better
Shadow Dragon was an ugly game that left a black hole in characterization and storytelling. It makes sense why it failed to stick with people especially when it's also niche due to selling so poorly.
Based that Tellius takes its rightful place near the top but let’s be real 3H is only on top due to recency and secondaries. Awakening way too high.
Still don't understand why Ganker likes Tellius so much. Redditors and twittards I get because gay Ike memes and racism bad, but does Ganker like it? Nostalgia? Played it recently and it was just ok
Ganker has been a leddit and twitter colony since at least 2015, especially on Ganker there's not that much difference between here and leddit
the only real difference being here you can't get banned for going against their ciclejerk even if you are correct and BTFOing a schizo so hard he mass reports you with IP hopping doesn't count, that's not a system built into the platform like updoots are
The real question is how is this general in particular one of the only ones that actually resist the normalgay circlejerk.
Pretty much every other general even on Ganker is just yet another leddit/twitter echo chamber, this is one of the few places I have seen people actually say their own opinions instead of parroting some eceleb.
>Normalgay
What do you even apply as Normalgay as far as FE is concerned?
>circlejerk
Every FE discussion is a circlejerk, even here.
>this general in particular
>this general
Go back
4 years of daily 3H threads traumatized vfeg to its core, it's why they've gone to contrarian extremes like calling Arcanea and GBA slop
There were FE fans on Ganker before Awakening and Tellius is 'generally okay' at everything.
>Tellius is 'generally okay' at everything.
roru
rumao even
It was many people’s first game for starters. Beyond that, I thought the story was pretty fun. Radiant Dawn’s was very exciting beyond the bloodpact stuff. It’s also been retroactively elevated by the likes of Awakening and Fates that only make 9 and 10 look better. It’s got cute girls as well. Really it speaks volumes that the only repeated criticisms of it are Ike being gay apparently and muh racism. And blood pact, which is a real one to be fair.
>recency bias
it's been 5 years since 3h released. engage released much more recently and it barely reached the top 10. It's time to accept that 3 house popularity is not "a phase" and it's not going anywhere. 3H unironically will remain the most popular FE game unless the switch 2 is also a crazy success.( which probably won't be the case considering how the wii u flopped)
>It's time to accept that 3 house popularity is not "a phase"
The problem with claiming this is that it proves 3Hgays are more persona fans than FE fans, which counter intuitively does in fact cement it as just a fad.
Explain
>Awakening wasn't just a phase, and it's gays stuck around for everything afterwards, some even went back to play older games.
>3Hgays only care about 3H and MAYBE trannius and refuse to play anything else (and most refuse to actually play trannius).
Right
From my experience 3H gays tend to be all over in terms of what they like.
The only consistence is tendency to dislike Fates and Engage.
5 years after awakening released people were saying the same thing about awakening gays that you are saying about 3hgays rn. And yet, now that enough time has passed, the narrative has changed to "awakening gays weren't that bad actually". Genuinely a moronic argument. Just wait another 5 years and suddenly 3Hgays will be regarded as "actually really good fans" vs whatever shit it's popular at the moment. God time is truly a circle flater than lucina's breasts.
Assuming 3H doesn't just become the FF7 of the franchise.
Awakening was the FF7 moment for Fire Emblem.
Awakening still had a single focused campaign that felt completed and gave you basically ever unit in the franchise through spotpass. 3H gave you 3.5 campaigns that were all unfinished and rushed.
What does this have to do with anon talking about how Awakeninggays were also seen as 'fans of only this one game and not the whole series'.
A lot of awakening's hate was misplaced because people were only focused on surface level issues. The game however reprised a lot of features and systems from the older games. 3H is more of a departure so the hate is a little more justified but it puts its own spin on Jugdrals inheritance system
3H brings a lot of things back from other games too
>shadow dragon reclass freedom
>genealogy's canto
>focus on "novice/villager" tier units like gaiden and sacred stones
>three main lords like fe7
>multiple routes like fates
>supports that aren't all almost exclusively romantical like they were in fateswakening
>a more serious story more inline with older games and less like fatewakening
>tons of lore elements from judgral in specific
among many other things. In the end people only focus on what's different and ignore the many similirites. It was the same with awakening, and the cope people used at the time is that the new """""fake"""" fans only cared about the vn/ romance simulator element. Aka what made that entry slightly different ignoring all the many similitaries and tributes that games pays to the rest of the franchise, in the same way that 3h does and now the cope people use is that """"fake"""" fans only care about the persona-like aspect. It's exactly the same situation, no matter how you slice it.
>and the cope people used at the time is that the new """""fake"""" fans only cared about the vn/ romance simulator element.
reminder
A lot of those implementations they did poorly. A lot of new fans do only care about the persona aspect
>not as good as the old games also the new fans only care about X
just like awakening then?
Engage had most of the same shit.
You could still have dinner with your units, you had a pool and the ability to dress them in casual clothing and swimsuits. You have a photo mode and minigames and even a 'hecking pupperino'.
If they supposedly only cared about the presence of those things then Engage still had plenty.
It's missing the school aspect which is a key feature of persona
Those don't count because they just don't ok!
It's missing one arbitrary aspect that I decided is more important than the seven you just mentioned so it doesn't counted.
>implying as if 3h isn't a whole design philosophiy apart from the rest of the games
>b-but it's still like the old fe's because of (relatively minor recurring features and otherwise nebulous similarities)
anon, you're delusional if you think 3h's audience has more overlap with old fe than it doesn't
>you're delusional if you think 3h's audience has more overlap with old fe than it doesn't
I can garantee that more old fe gays have played 3H than engage.
that's not the point moron. it's divisive for a reason
both 3 houses and engage are just as divisive.
again, not the point. while engage is divisive on account of its artstyle and writing among other things that are beyond it being a fire emblem game, 3h is divisive on account of basically fricking everything because it was that alienating from the rest of the franchise
>it's just a fad because... they are not real FE fans
what you consider to be """""""real"""""" fans or not is irrelevant. The game is popular and that's all there is to it.
Fire Emblem Engage isn't 3HRT. And the biggest point of contention was the grind and non-grind FE games. Sacred Stones predated Conquest and Birthright in appealing to the overworld (grind) people. But you know something, 3HRT gameplay systems are dead with it. It's a spinoff for a reason.
It's going away when the next Fire Emblem is another regular one that is nothing like the one time spinoff. 3HRT are bleeding out of this fanbase with every new game.
Be careful you don't bleed out the series itself. Unless you want to end up like Camelot where the team just gets relegated to Mario Spin-offs forever.
>I want FE to continue to lose fans until the series inevitably dies.
>That’ll show those 3H-gays they’re not real Fire Emblem fans!
Why are anti-3H gays like this?
To be fair, I'd rather see the franchise just straight up die than getting another 3H
I guarantee the 3HRT fan is a biological woman.
They need all these copes and mental gymnastics as confimration that their game is actually good. Personally all I need to know that a game is good is that I enjoy it, but if they need a company to die and the franchise to be destroyed just to get confirmation that a game is good then I don't know what to tell them kek.
I want FE to die because the TRUE FE died when Kaga left, since 2000 we have only had a prostitute imposter
Anti-3H gays are all either snoys, heroes gays or engage vtumors and thus don't actually care about the series.
Fire Emblem 3HRT fans are biological fat childless women who should be in their Persona general on /vg/ talking about their visual novel gameplay and school life. I played Dimitri's route, that was evident enough.
>biological
at least they're biowomen!
>I played Dimitri's route
>Thinks it is gay
Don't make me post the pasta
Ain't nothing gay about holding your bros hand and ballroom dancing with him
>and ballroom dancing with him
that was Claude, and he is brown so automatically gay
just bro things t b h
True, only gays with an overdose of porn on their brain would think hugging your bro while he is hurting over the death of all his family is gay
Exactly. I compliment my bros hands all the time, especially how warm they are.
>Can't tell your murder hobo bro he still has humanity
Imagine seeing everything as gay
Seriously. I can't believe women enjoy this thing and ship him with F!Byleth when he's so obviously meant for his bros. Gross girls just don't get it.
It's called a foxtrot
Damn it has been that long hasn’t it? I also forgot about engage but that game was dead on arrival just from the clown characters alone. I suppose it’s less recency and more like it was 2 million people’s first FE. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the game and I’m glad a more serious war story blew Engage’s slop out of the water so hopefully we get more in that direction with the next game but with like a third of the time spent in hub.
Yeah, the only changes I would make is put thracia above sacred stones and swap fates and genealogy
Of course those homosexuals would dick suck the troony game and gay rights/social justice games.
Binding Blade also underrated as frick as expected, and Reddit is still seething over Fates.
Engage should be bottom.
no
for the most part I see nothing wrong with this, Engayge should be at the bottom though.
Shadow Dragon is one of the best FE games out there
Uuuuuuuuuuugly, skip
based
The aesthetic U turn between the gba and ds games is probably top 5 most extreme in the history of videogame franchises
Cuh-ringe
Play Berwick Saga/Vastaria Saga
If you like Sacred Stones don't login to FEH and see the new banner.
Shadows of Valentia wasn't THAT bad.
It's fun to replayable
once in a while
Cute girls
>thread is focused on 3HRT
FRICK OFF REDDIT THAT IS NOT EVEN AN ACTUA FIRE EMBLEM. THAT IS A SPINOFF. SAY IT WITH ME, SPINOFF.
Iron16
Azure Moon is a top 5 FE game
Cope
Story wise sure but as a game, it's fricking boring. Not a single good map.
>Story wise
ENGAGE TOTAL DEATH OF 3 HRT
Engaygies are obsessed! Obsessed!
Fire Emblem is a series for women only and I want Dimitri inside me
https://x.com/Zn_IneedGTA6/status/1698717629223936508?s=20
Based
Look at this dimileth
the fact that they have fe4 on the japanese eshop and refuse to bring it to the west/translate it to english make me think either it is never going to happen or its currently in development. i already played it on emulator and loved it, but i would love to have it on switch. playing fe4 with a keyboard broke my fingers
What would the ideal ranking system be?
>Tactics
On a gamewide basis, mostly removing points for blatant turtling rather than just choking
>Experience
Being able to feed your shitters while still maintaining a good pace is far more indicative of player skill than most other factors
>Economy
How little you spend in shops and armories, as opposed to exploitable total funds
>Survival/Combat
Make them the same ranking. You should be avoiding casualties whether you reset or not, and make only win/lose ratio matter
>Noblesse Oblige
How many side objectives you manage to fufill
>Treasure
How many special items you manage to conserve (Gems, Legendary Weapons, Statboosters depending on the game)
Overall this is making me envision a playthrough where a strong unit weakens enemies with irons and a rotating bunch of shitters take the exp. Wouldn't it be better to incentivize a playthrough where you use those statboosters, legendary weapons, experience points, etc to optimal effect and blast through the game quickly and reliably?
Noblesse oblige sounds like a good idea, though. I feel like the rankings should mandate completion of extra objectives and it should be up to the player to find the best way to do it, rather than the exp and stuff being a direct objective.
>Survival/Combat
How would that work as one rank?
>playthrough where a strong unit weakens enemies with irons and a rotating bunch of shitters take the exp
That's not necessarily a bad thing, especially since you'd have to calculate risk reward from trying to keep weaker units up to speed without being overwhelmed. It would also prevent you from constantly fielding the most op units and stomping every map, forcing you to think of how you want to allocate your heavy hitters and your shitters.
I'll admit that I'm less confident about balancing economy as it's harder to keep in check despite being potentially important for ranking (prevents op forges that trivializes the game, punishes unefficient purchases). However, treasure can be easy to balance, as most times special items just allow strong units to steamroll even harder rather than helping weaker units.
>Survival/Combat
Anytime a unit dies, it counts as a loss whether you reset or not akin to as if you never reset. Meanwhile, winning battles could be a catch up factor to keep the ranking higher even if you blunder, encouraging recovering your ranking by risk taking
If that's how you like to play FE I can respect that but I think feeding weak units should be something you do for the sake of gaining in-game benefits, rather than something done exclusively for the sake of rankings.
Maybe the treasure thing could be solved with a compromise: force the player to hold onto gems but otherwise let you spend funds freely. I think the player should be able to use special weapons and forge some weapons because there is strategy in resource allocation. If you make the funds too restrictive you remove a lot of player expression and it all becomes very samey.
>encouraging recovering your ranking by risk taking
So you could finish the game with dead characters and still get the best rank, as long as you get enough kills? That doesn't sounds right to me.
Rankings fundamentally affect how players will approach the game, as tactics alone created an obsession with speed over everything else. Adding an EXP rank seems far more in line with encouraging players to actually interact with the game, as players already want to train units.
As for Economy, I agree with you entirely, which is why I'm cautious to not punish players for using anything other than Irons, or to make it worthless like in FE7 where it might as well not exist at all. There is strategy in money management that FE has never been able to completely master despite its attempts.
As for Survival, I do think that players should be able to have a few deaths and still get a good ranking if they play skillfully enough, even if losing units no matter what is the unspoken taboo of FE. Still, it requires Wins to be worth a lot less than Losses and to not be easily farmable at the very least
The problem with EXP rank as it's been *actually* implemented, is that it's obnoxiously at odds with FE's *actual* incentives. It's obviously fricking stupid to spread EXP thin across 30 units in any FE game, and to baby shit units just for the sake of it, but this is what EXP rank has demanded we do in the past.
If a ranking, and EXP were to be a factor, the game would need to be carefully balanced to prevent this kind of silliness.
Personally I think it'd be ideal to simply make a game where you have some incentive to actually use a diverse array of units across the playthrough, like Thracia 776. That's what really counts, using a variety of units and tactics to contribute to a clear, not feeding some shitty archer last hits.
EXP can be dangerous as a rank if you make it as strict as FE7, but I think it can work fine if you simply balance it around not giving your overtrained units over 70% of the kills or some ratio like that. Rankings don't all have to be extremely harsh, as long as they provide incentive for interacting with the game skillfully.
Fatigue also wasn't a bad idea, but its implementation simply wasn't good. If I were to implement it, I'd give units debuffs for being fielded too often instead of forcing them on the bench, and would give incentives to use different unit types (i.e. by forcing dismounting indoors, by having more varied terrain that some units can exploit better than others, chokepoints)
>but I think it can work fine if you simply balance it around not giving your overtrained units over 70% of the kills or some ratio like that
This unintuitive, though.
For one, kill ratio is not viewable in the game until the epilogue. But even if it were made into a viewable stat, it would just seem ridiculous. "You're too fricking good, Marcus, hit the bench."
Funnily enough if you explain overuse as fatigue - this unit is "tired" from too much fighting - it starts to make sense. But then you need to enforce it at the level of the game itself, not merely suggest "h-hey, give someone else a chance, fella" or players will rightfully ignore it.
I don't like stat penalties myself. It's a very half assed measure and is prone to backfire in many ways.
I wrote it as kill ratio, but ofc the actual value calculated would be exp gained. Since FE already accounts for exp points gained by how powerful the character is, you can easily convert kills into exp for the actual formula post testing. Also, as ridicoulous as it seems, the games and players already encourage not overusing units for being too good, as it's considered wise to train the new blood incase something happens to your powerhouse or if he can't keep up.
>But then you need to enforce it at the level of the game itself, not merely suggest "h-hey, give someone else a chance, fella" or players will rightfully ignore it.
Yeah, that's the main concern with encouraging varying units. Players will rarely want to try out new units no matter how good they can be if they're alredy satisfied with their current performance. Not only does the map design have to encourage it, the players must also be pushed to use other units than the ones they've grown attached to. Stat penalties can work for that imo, but as you said, it can't be half assed and has to become a growing problem without making the game unbearable
For survival I think you should need to have everyone alive at the end of the game, whether by resetting or using revival items. But if you just savescum unreliable tactics until everything works out that's not good either, so the FE4-like system that records deaths after resetting is also important.
As for combat wins & feeding weak units that might be better moved to the character endings. In the Langrisser series a character gets a bad ending if he suffers a retreat (dying in a map), gets a disappointing ending if he finishes the game without dying but has few kills, and gets the best ending if he never dies and kills a lot of enemies.
That's pretty much what I had in mind, and borrowing a page from Langrisser isn't a bad idea either. Mostly, the goal of this rank is to see if the player's strategy is reliable or not.
Suppose I were to do a playthrough of FE5 with your ranking system, what would be required for the best ranking?
>beat game under [#]? turns
>approximately how many levels should I feed to shitters that I don't plan on using?
>no buying from shops?
>recruit 47 characters
>can finish the game with characters dead but only [#], resets count and characters temporarially captured by enemies count as losses
>all sidequests e.g. waiting many turns in 14x to transport civilians
>should I go to 21x or leave nobody behind?
>hoard stat boosters, skill manuals, and what else?
one that has 0 gameplay consequences or one that doesn't exist
Only Tactics and Survival make any sense
EXP turns the game into a dumb hotdog eating contest
>Warpskip the game
>10/10, best FE player ever
This is why you need more than turncount
>more than turncount
Yes, hence Survival
If you don't want the entire game to be warpskippable, simply limit warp. It's not that complicated, Conquest did it.
>simply limit warp.
oh no, who invited the fun police into the thread?
What are you going to do next? make all units gay like in engayge?
FE4's were perfect because it was finetuned to everything in the game
what's really going to happen is that it'll turn off all the women who were there for three houses and their support conversations, putting fire emblem in another dark period after the slop that was engage
i like fire emblem
me too!
Basically no way it's a heavy hitter unless it gets a major rework to bring the presentation and gameplay in line with the modern titles... Which would piss off the fans of Genealogy to no end, so what would even be the point of doing a remake in the first place?
You don't want an FE4 remake because you think it's a good game they'll make worse. I don't want an FE4 remake because I know it's a shit game they can't make better. We are not the same
Every mention of 3H feels like a passive aggressive attempt to start a game war
You may have noticed sometimes a thread could be 200+ posts in without much infighting but then 3HRT and Engayge will be posted for the first time within 10-15 minutes of each other and then the spam follows shortly after
Anyone who uses the terms "3hrt" and "Engayge" are a part of said shit stirrers
I know
i like how westoids are still desperate to play the victim and say le both sides
reading comprehension
Next game needs to bring back relatable lords
I think most people would just want a cool male lord.
when the standard for "cool male" is ike being a homosexual i would rather not
Marth
Sigurd
Eligood
Hector
Ephraim
Chrom
Dimitri (For the females)
>Marth
Generic but the OG
Based moron
Ok I guess
Based
Hector but with no personality
Surprisingly based
Most based lord yet
>2 on the list are pussies worse than alear at the start of engage
>2 are mary sues to appeal to femoids that still manage to come off as whiny b***hes
>one is a literal cuck
>one can't even wipe his own ass without someone's help
i will leave up to you which is which because that's funnier
Good point, you can include Alear in the list. Now that I've admitted my mistake, you can tone down on the shitposting
>Hector, Emphraim, Chrom & Dimitri are all straight
>'You must want a homosexual for the next lord'
>Hector
closet homo
>emphraim
siscon which guess counts
>chrom
lol
>blonde rape dildo
hardly sentient
Just because you're a homosexual doesn't mean you can project it on others
>blonde rape dildo
I need
>chrom is gay meme
You must be a woman
this image really needs some cordelia wojak in the back or something
Why is regular Robin's mouth so huge?
>war crime committing pedophile overlord of Daein part of a secret tribe that controls most of the world (Bengion)
Sometimes IS plays a little to close to reality
Cutesythea
Eh, I don't get the complaints, they were far more viscious with Fates.
Is it really just one or two shitposters? Someone said it was a discord raid a couple of threads ago but I don’t know if that’s actually the case or just a guess on anon’s part
best post in this entire shit thread, frick you guys
God I hate Veyle. The story would've been so much better and would've avoided so many problems if Alear had killed her instantly it's not even funny
cry more b***h Black person
*steals the rings while Alear impotently stamps their feet and goes GIVE THEM BAAAACK two times in the same story*
Veyle is the worst character in modern FE
keep crying more
i prefer dwagon mc
>memed into finally playing Tear Ring Saga by Kagagays
>gameplay is shit
>just Gaiden 2.0
>FRICKING cantors and mogalls are back
Some characters being entertaining isn't worth this... but I'm no quitter so I'll persist
Wacism and Classism are le bad m'kay
>genealogy's map design is great
Dude Genealogy is the peak of the franchise!
>visits arena for the twentieth time
You need to take time on building your team!
>resets for the sixth time
The game is balanced and fun!
>step out of castle, instantly see neutral unit getting gangraped
Literally peak FE characters, I loved getting them all!
>cavalier kills recruitable unit in one hit
Older FE games definitely had a tough but fair approach to them!
>WHAT THE FRICK YOU MEAN I NEED A SKILL CALLED PURSUIT TO DOUBLE?
>miss one village item, unit is now useless without it
Storygays should play this too, literally peak FE storytelling!
>Sigurd gets cucked
VGH...KagaSOVL...they don't make them like they used to...
actual skill issue
>now people want fatigue back
Fire Emblem died with awakening
Isn't shadow dragon the game that online walled Caeda promotion item?
I wish I had that cartridge of Fates with all 3 games.
what are you waiting for? You can get it right now on ebay for 300 dollars. or you could just download it off the internet
I like how FE is so intertwined with piracy that it's the main recommended way to experience the games, to the point where even Nintendo doesn't give a shit about it. Hell, Nintendo blatantly sold FE1's rom with their own emulator as a limited time deal, as if that didn't reveal how easy the games are to pirate and how emulation gives features that work well with FE.
The piracy stuff would probably go away if Nintendo could be bother to release some of the games. To this day the only non piracy way to play most of these games is by buying expensive copies and playing it on the original hardware. It's almost like Nintendo doesn't want people to play FE.
Expensive copies and hardware not even sold by Nintendo, by the way. Nintendo is just leaving money on the table by failing to make their old games available
Fire Emblem 1 remake was wasted on Shadow ZZZZSLeeping. Even looking at it bores me.
Even that was a limited time anniversary thing
I'll sell you mine for only 400 Ausbux.
yeah SoV is garbage unless you like your black screen simulation
>black screen simulation
Second time I've seen this schizo phrase in 24 hours. Explain yourself.
3HRT isn't a fad and your next game after that shitty demake might be an unholy abortion of engayge and 3HRT.
are you just a bitter pre-3Hgay?
If you wanna go full troonsona at least hire a better artist, moronic edelBlack person
answer the question homosexual
>I like FE4 because I have save states and fast forward
FTFY
I prefer ironman runs
>fast forward
There's realistically no other way to play it today except emulation, so yes, it can be assumed fast forward is just a basic part of the game today. Saves states are not needed however, as it lets you save each turn.
All 10 hardcore FE4 fans ready to write 3,000 word reviews on why the remake is bad because they couldn't use save and load state outside an emulator. The pinnacle of our franchise.
Possibly all of Reddit funnily enough.
>savestates
happy wojak.jpeg
>turnwheel
seething wojak.jpeg
>Cuckdeliagay
>save stats
>in FE4 of all games
Have you people played FE4? Some of the things you people say are odd.
Isn't the only English patch of FE4 so broken that it actually reverts to Japanese halfway into the game? Heard nothing but it being an unfinished patch.
No offense, but you're kinda confirming my suspicions right now
Look up Project Naga
>zoomspeak cordeliagay
i don't even know what your argument here is but it's not worth listening to
Zoomers don't play Fire Emblem anon. It's a boomer franchise. Metroid has breasts and ass but it's not a franchise made up of coomers.
>Zoomers don't play Fire Emblem anon
i fricking wish
save states?
but bro they will get a turnwheel like gayden :^)
>188/44
It's pretty obvious at this point its one bored gay trying his damnest to stroke flames
schizos gonna schizo
Odds he even likes the franchise?
they should make a real FE for their real audience aka moronic woman who play in normal/casual and they only want to ogle at the guys.
Tprostituteja
Not really a debate. Cordelia was wearing a breastplate. She lost.
It's not like most Awakeninggays went back and played older games, if we're being realistic. That was never the case. A small faction of Awakeningbabs did including me.
I imagine it's the same with 3H - small fraction. The difference is, 3H is just such massive normalBlack person catnip, that proportionally fewer of its neophytes will be interested in non-3H games. It just pulled in so many wine moms and gays. I don't know why this should be a controversial statement.
It's not like every Awakening/Fatesgay bought Echoes.
Engage just didn't interest them, if the next game seems interesting they'll probably pick it up.
I don't see what's the problem.
True, I just think people often don't make a clear enough distinction between the hardcore and casual audience, in assessing sales/popularity. There's nothing wrong with being a casual fan, I'm a casual fan of some things. But people blob both groups together when demographically they're quite distinct.
The problem is that the 'hardcore' and 'casual' split is very arbitrary and could easily lead to people splitting it with a bias to get the result they want.
>arbitrary
It's like...one of the least arbitrary constants in, tf you talking about. It's such a pronounced distinction, marketers tailor entire advertising campaigns around it.
My mom is a casual gamer, she plays Candy Crush and shit. I never have, and she doesn't know what a Fire Emblem even is, and could never be convinced to care. And by extension, there are games that are too hardcore even for me. It's a spectrum I guess, but by no means arbitrary. You can predict a lot about a person's tastes and purchasing habits by their most played games, the platforms/consoles they own, etc.
You can easily find a turbocasual.
But by the same metric a turbocasual wouldn't be playing FE in the first place.
Problem is, how do you split the fanbase into those two camps.
Are Awakeninggays hardcore fans now? How many games do have to have played? Can they be only official english releases? Which games are you allowed to start with? Which opinions are 'hardcore'?
>But by the same metric a turbocasual wouldn't be playing FE in the first place.
>FE not the intro babby series of SRPGs
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOo
>Are Awakeninggays hardcore fans now?
Yes.
>Are Awakeninggays hardcore fans now?
awakening's lunatic is unironically the only game hard enough in the franchise to make even the most autistic gameplaygays flinch in fear
awakening lunatic+ is dumb but it's not hard
try fe12 h4 or h3 off a new save file
You're making it about social achievements when it isn't, it's a simple difference in interest levels and purchasing habits. A good rule of thumb is, hardcore FE fans will buy (or pirate and play) FE games, period.
They're not going to wait on a review or their buddy to tell them if the girls can be fricked/married to get interested.
It's people like us keeping an ear to the wall for the news. People who will know about a new FE game announcement within 24 hours, and know what places to go to for more info/discussion, no matter what else they may be up to.
> A good rule of thumb is, hardcore FE fans will buy (or pirate and play) FE games, period.
That sounds like a stupid idea man. And a quick way to get to Gamefreak level dev apathy.
> People who will know about a new FE game announcement within 24 hours
Most people will know that considering Nintendo Directs are a thing now.
I feel like you're being obtuse at this point. I'm not telling you to consoom, I'm just describing the behavior of an enthusiast - what any kind of enthusiast will do. You have to make your own decisions regarding what's right to do.
>Most people will know that considering Nintendo Directs are a thing now.
It's about interest. I'm assailed with ads daily wherever I go, but I tune 99% of what gets through my adblock out. Even other tendie shit. I notice FE news, though.
Plenty of enthusiasts will only support the parts of the franchise they like.
And some people with interest in the franchise itself just didn't find Engage specifically interesting.
I didn't even say anything about Engage.
My point, again, is that you're interested in "the franchise." You're interested in Fire Emblem games. This is a pretty damn good barometer of whether you'd be willing to buy and/or play more Fire Emblem games.
Now compare (you) to someone who is just interested in "well reviewed turn based RPG Nintendo Switch games."
You're telling me there's no distinction there?
And who's to say people who started with 3H aren't interested in 'the franchise'.
If you started with the Switch, then guess what, it's kind of a pain to go back and get those old games.
>But piracy!
Not as popular as you think it is. People want to support the official release. And then add to that the possibility of remakes/remasters, which means some people intentionally hold off on playing them because they want to experience them 'officially'.
>Not as popular as you think it is. People want to support the official release. And then add to that the possibility of remakes/remasters, which means some people intentionally hold off on playing them because they want to experience them 'officially'.
Also zoomers are less likely to do the whole emulation piracy thing since they think they'll go to jail.
>I can be an FEgay without playing FE
Fricking pathetic.
>If you started with the Switch, then guess what, it's kind of a pain to go back and get those old games.
So this whole ridiculous conversation is you coping about not wanting to play any games but 3H (and Engage? which you don't like), and also not wanting to emulate ancient 5kb games which can be played on a calculator.
My whole fricking point is, if you're interested in the series, you're interested and it's obvious when you're interested. No one is gonna bully you if you just like one game. Don't make my point for me, though.
I like plenty of FE games besides 3H.
The problem is the assertion that 3Hgays are somehow any different from Awakeninggays.
Or any future NewPopularFEgays.
>I like plenty of FE games besides 3H.
Do you...play them?
>The problem is the assertion that 3Hgays are somehow any different from Awakeninggays.
Maybe you're mixing up with someone else. The only thing I said regarding 3H is that it attracted a much broader audience of players than we've seen before, many of whom are definitely fairly casual about FE. 3Hgays more or less admit this, they thump their chests about the game's big sales. What I'm asking is, how many of these "fans" were ever going to be "fans" of FE itself?
This is a pragmatic question that demands a pragmatic answer, and no feelings. Not everyone who plays your game will be a lifelong fan. It's a relevant question to the series' future success.
>Do you...play them?
yes. here's my ranking.
Subtle shitpost
>3Hgays more or less admit this, they thump their chests about the game's big sales.
You're acting like Engagegays weren't thumping their chest at the big pre-order numbers before they lost the war on that front.
>What I'm asking is, how many of these "fans" were ever going to be "fans" of FE itself?
Kinda hard to tell, because, you know, the next FE game went in a direction they didn't like.
If the next FE game is 3H inspired and some people don't buy it because they don't like that direction for the series then I'm not gonna say they're not FE fans.
>You're acting like Engagegays weren't thumping their chest at the big pre-order numbers before they lost the war on that front.
My god, 3Hgays have never been as loud as engaygies were during prelaunch, good thing they all are either dead or trooned out
In the end 3Htards lost for the exact same reason westoids always lose.
They only care about what other people think of them when consooming media, which is why they have so few games, and why they are desperate to die on this hill.
Meanwhile anyone that unironically liked engage can just move on to other kino and come back to the next game if they like it too, the game already recouped dev costs, why does it matter how popular it is past that when AA games in japan have always survived with shoestring budgets and small cult followings?
Literally schizophrenia
>You're acting like my [headcanon of what you said]
Again, never mentioned Engage. It's not relevant to the topic of how many 3H players are "converts."
>some people don't buy it because they don't like that direction for the series then I'm not gonna say they're not FE fans.
I never made this argument
>It's not relevant to the topic of how many 3H players are "converts."
Why bring up 3H fans saying their game sold a lot?
The Switch has 4 Fire Emblem games, half of them are fricking musou titles. The other one is an anniversary game with a bunch of characters whose games are a pain in the ass to play unless you're like the 0.001% of FE fans who pirates.
BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION
to recap:
3H sold *a lot*
It's commonly said that 3H brought a lot of new players into **THE** fanbase
So the question: Is this true? Did it actually expand in a permanent, meaningful way? Probably, insofar that any reasonably successful game does. But to the tune of ~4 million? Probably not!
My hypothesis is that 3H may very well be the peak of the franchise for the forseeable future, irrespective of perceived game quality
>But to the tune of ~4 million?
Well, not that, but that's because 2 million Awakening fans were also there right before (and however many Fates fans there are, it's hard to tell).
>Did it actually expand in a permanent, meaningful way?
Yeah. People are still paying for Edelgard/Dimitri PNGs in Heroes. If this was just 'o hey, looks like a cool game, bye' type of fans they wouldn't be whaling in an FE gatcha.
>3H may very well be the peak of the franchise for the forseeable future
Maybe, but I doubt the gap will be all that big unless the next Nintendo console is a big bomba (which I wouldn't want in general).
>If you started with the Switch, then guess what, it's kind of a pain to go back and get those old games.
This anon makes a critical point. Excelblem did this rant as a joke in his first Engage run but there was a lot of truth in it.
You cannot get Fates in its complete form anymore. The e-shop shutdown has made that impossible
You cannot get Awakening in its complete form anymore. The e-shop shutdown has locked out the DLC
You cannot get the Tellius games unless you're willing to shell out ~$200 for the game alone and a gamecube
If you were really sold on the series after 3H and Engage then maybe you'll play 7 on NSO. Which is a subscription service you don't own. No FE6 unless you make a Japanese account and no FE8 at all. And the discussion ends there because FE 2 through 5 were never sold in the west and Blade of Light was taken off NSO to induce artificial scarcity
Why aren't there """real""" Fire Emblem fans? Because IS doesn't want you to be. Unless you going to argue that they want you to emulate the older games. To put it in perspective, I can purchase any Final Fantasy up to 9 on my cellphone right now if I find myself interested in the series with 10 and 12 available on console with most of the others.
Pirating everything up to GBA is easy as frick. You need slightly more technical know-how to get the dual screen games going, and a reasonable PC for Tellius (idk maybe some phones can do it now). There really isn't an excuse to play old games other than disinterest.
Just going to pirouette around the point right? Or did you just read the first line and immediately assume I didn't bring up that exact argument?
>Why aren't there """real""" Fire Emblem fans? Because IS doesn't want you to be. Unless you going to argue that they want you to emulate the older games
It's a stupid fricking point and I hate it. If you're interested in old FE games, you can play them RIGHT NOW EASILY. You don't need to put more cents in Nintendo's coffers and let them triple and quadruple dip on games the size of an Excel spreadsheet, unless you're an absolute omega giga cuckold who can only associated gaming with payment.
Do you pay to read Moby-Dick, or do you hit up your local library/Project Gutenberg?
I will never understand why Nintendo didn't do a Fire Emblem collection for the 30th anniversary, they did one for Mario's 35th anniversary, instead we get a limited time digital re-release of the first game and that's it. It's not too big of a deal for a filthy pirate like me, but most of Nintendo's fans are terrified of emulation, and will only play an older Nintendo game if it's a re-relase or an original copy, the latter of which is difficult considering the Tellius games cost a small fortune.
>Nintendo
Black person FRICKER SHIT UNDERSTAND FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL YOU israelite PIECE OF SHIT homosexual NIGGET troony NINTENDO DOESNT MAKE FIRE EMBLEM moronic NONSYSTEMS MAKES FE YOU Black person moron homosexual b***h
Nintendo are the publishers, they're the ones responsible for re-releases of Fire Emblem games
NINTENDO ISNT YOUR COMMUNIST UTOPIA FRICKING PEOPLE ARE NOT SLAVES YOU DUMB Black person FRICK UNDERSTAND THAT FRICKING NINTENDO IS NINTENDO BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY GAVE DEVS POWER OVER THE DECISION MAKING
Honestly, you americans think everything has to be communist, delegation exists, moron.
Take your meds
i don't know what are you even saying, i'm not reading that shit
i will just say this: cope and seethe, you fricking lost
*dabs*
t. americans
This is all it boils to, huh? Childish "I'm not like other girls". Westoids find the weirdest things to try be special about.
>westoidgay complaining about "I'm not the other girls"
oh the stinkin ironing
Japs would treat you like the hwaito piggu you are
Japs actually like the franchises they talk about and don't go "THIS IS NOT FIRE EMBLEM" "MUH CASUALS"
You are constantly trolling about "3HRTs" and "westoids" and trannies, like shut up seriously
Shut the frick up 3HRT. You will never be a real Fire Emblem.
(you)
Not me schizo gay
Fujo sex
I don't want to have sex with you
I don't know how to feel about FE Heroes. Some of the designs are nice and it is fun to play what are essentially mini Awakening maps, sounds and all, but frick if they aren't trying to squeeze the player for money at every opportunity.
Some day all of you will grow up and see how meaningless all of these distinctions are,or at least I hope so. You're still in peak youth and so, peak tribalism. A fun game is a fun game in the end, and you will get no rewards in life by doing this.
>how meaningless all of these distinctions are
They're really not in the opinion of corporations trying to very hard control your existence, and if you ever used/trusted any kind of rating system or consented to targeted ads, or clicked on a video recommended by an algorithm, you're seeing the value in "these distinctions."
Ninian, Lyn. Forgotten.
Did you just get banned on /feh/
Lyn's game got upgraded to classic Fire Emblem status. Same with Awakening.
You started the infighting in this thread, didn’t you.
hardcore fire emblem fan = spends lots of money on the gacha and buys other merchandise
the guys that spend 1000 hours LTCing FE6 are casuals
go pray your Black person lover Kusokihara to save you from tranime emblem
I'd rather see FEH get an actual game than another Fire Emblem 3HRT.
This is the same gay playing both sides
Nah I’m these posts
I rather smash your face with a hammer but we can get what we really want
The only good thing to come from engage was FEH's death
Palabras del goblino de la GBA
whoa
True hardcore FE fan = wants to frick Meg and Dorothy
I wouldn't frick Meg but I'd caress and gently impregnate Dorothy on our wedding night.
I'd frick both
I feel like if I was the summoner I'd owe every FE girl sex
>Being a man prostitute
If you aren't a one S rank type of guy you're going to burn in hell. It's depraved and immoral.
They literally let you marry 5 girls at a time in Askr
Respect Askrian culture, chud
True hardcore FE fan: Hates FE
engage babies aren't hardcore fans
>Thinks that hating FE came with Engage
newbie
Fire Emblem 3HRT is already one game down. If FE4 Remake is real, that's two games down. The developers are done with you experimental game, proper FE is back with Engage. Persona 3 Reload is down the street, perfect place for FE 3HRT Reddit fans.
>true fe fan = muh ebin twitter meme xDD
>yeah the remake should be completly faithfull on every level
if picrel remains uncahnged in the remake I'm not buying the game. Same with all the moronic tame wasting shit like the million forest tiles in chapter 1, the arena grind, etc.
>#GirlBoss #WeGirlsHomos Three Houses is popular on Reddit and that's why it should be respecte---AAAAAACK!
I don't respect FE 3HRT.
I kneel, Sommie.
What the hell is going on with FE4s graphics. The portraits are terrible but the terrain and UI are soulful as frick. At least 5 improves upon the portrait issue.
>Liking FE12
deserved
never understood zoomers who shit on fe12 wihle simultaneously having never played it
sorry for not liking your Poochie Kris , Maeda
FE12 is literally awakening but shitting harder on an actual soulful game
>ctrl+f "3HRT"
>1/20
engays need to move on.
>people caring about ranking in their shipping dating sim
grim
>dating sim
have a nice day Maeda
id rather a new game, enough with the remakes
Edelgard... you lost.
She seems to be enjoying her position, thoughbeit
Reminder this is the intelligence of the anti-3H schizo.
I plapped Dorothea, laugh at me.
Patrician taste.
I didn't expect to like her as much. Annette was really disappointing, a poor man's Cordelia. Annette's "perfect" but plain looking, Dorothea's at least had more to her character than looks.
Enjoy the STDs
I S-supported Dorothea twice
I wish we could all get along better
Ivy
maybe one day
I wish you died painfully but we can't get what you want in life.
troony moment
>SoV, FE6 and FE8 on best
bait used to be believable
>Why aren't there """real""" Fire Emblem fans? Because IS doesn't want you to be. Unless you going to argue that they want you to emulate the older games
This should answer your question
I like both Engage and Three Houses, about the same.
KILL HIM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT
>3houses good story shit gameplay
>engage shit story good gameplay
yeah same. I value both gameplay and story equally so they end up balancing out in the end for me.
Me too
Cordelia is hot
Shame about the Chrom obsession though.
Chrom is such a bro for ignoring her. He is my wingman. I always set Chrom up with Olivia as his reward.
I just go the basic way and give him Sumia
Pegasus pairup is too useful
Can we talk about this great satan
>vulnerary 1/3
it's deadweight, has no resale value, is over if you see that in your convoy list
Maybe you should use it, tertiary-kun
Awakening had a merge feature, one-button press that combined consumables into brand new verions. Dunno why they never brought it back. I guess they thought it was a little too convenient or something?
the ds games also had this feature, though not as fast. you did it for every item you cared about using if you wanted to be quick about it
>lose QoL feature that was present in 3 back-to-back days
how is this allowed
games*
fug
>questioning IS's decision making instead of just knowing how shit they are at decision making
welcome to FE, enjoy your stay
can't you do that in fe11
Merge feature in Awakening was amazing. In fact out of all the Fire Emblem games today I believe Awakening has the most options for customization. Fates carried over most but by Three Houses they were gone. First thing I always do is check the Options menu for what's there, shame the Fire Emblem Awakening UI got overruled in the newer games.
I toss them on anyone with empty inventory space, on units that I don't expect to take much damage or to the Lord if he has convoy access. They're anything but useless
Why would you want a shitty woke censored remake of a classic?
You don't understand chud, they TOTALLY wouldn't change the script! I swear!
Funnily enough I just came across a video of two former NoA employees kvetching because when they tried to b***h out the Odyssey devs for having Peach get kidnapped, they responded by shrugging their shoulders and saying they don't see a problem.
Post the video, I want a good laugh
>I like 3HRT and engayge
>3HRT has good story
Fire Emblem Fates had a literal steampunk tier DLC class that could summon automatons. It was wild, forgot the name but it was something like an XCOM unit.
>Engay has good gameplay
agreed I hate the shitty emblem system
"Engay" as the trash-talk name for Engage always cracks me up a bit, compared to Engayge. It's so dumb.
Are the Jap fans as schizo about the games?
I doubt it. For some reason there is a HUGE crossover with gays, lesbians, and transsexuals in the west which accounts for the schizo lefty tier posting but it's just a game series to the japs so there's less of an autistic draw for this kind of spiteful shitposting.
as someone that engages (heh) with jp discussion, nah
they are far worse, the only difference is they don't engage with media for social approval but for personal enjoyment, otherwise the same type of schizoing happens, just on far larger magnitudes
which to be fair is less obnoxious because you get far less morons that don't play/read x but still praise/shit on it (but they still exist), but on the other hand the shitflinging is far more fricking vicious
>Spoiler
That sounds based no matter how you cut it, man.
>Jill, Cordelia, Yunaka
vs
>Astrid, Tharja, Ayra
Why are people so afraid that the next fire emblem will be like 3H or engage? Are you all newbies??? IS always trys to reinvent the wheel with every new entry. That's both the charm and curse of this franchise. The future game will have another unique gimmick tha the whole game will revolve around and it will ben othing like 3h, engage or any prior game.
People just can't get too far away from the moment they're living in. I remember when Awakening was the hot thing, the fear was its inevitability, how every game would have marriage and children in it because that's what "saved the series." Then they did a fricking Gaiden remake out of nowhere and never looked back. This series is pure distilled schizophrenia, there is no predicting what's next.
Echoes flopped though
and 3H didin't, your point?
It did well for almost a Thracia tier release.
It didn't. It was never meant to be a big seller. And they did it anyway. You simply don't know what's around the corner.
I'll remind you, people couldn't even believe the Engage leaks were real. That's how absurd toothpaste hair seemed at the time, now we're just used to it.
>a filler remake and a filler game to keep the series in the public eye while they get ready to switch to console development
not afraid more like annoyed. at worst I will not buy the game seeing how the world is going to shit.
Reminder that Marianne smells bad (good)
fake
Marianne hangs out with horses and doesn't shave. She definitely doesn't smell good
How are you Gankerirgins celebrating Valentine's Day
spending time with my waifu
Daydreaming about Brigid
Taking my wife out for a fancy breakfast and walk-around window shopping at a nearby fancy town, then just goof around. Not sure after that.
Playing games and ...to the thought of the most recent fictional girl I've been infatuated with. No different from any other day, really.
with Felicia
You'll want to have lots of plaptime surely?
You may only have one
Choose wisely, Ganker man
Where's the option that it comes out, but doesn't sell well because it's not like 3 Houses?
You know how Alm is the least talked about Fire Emblem lord even with a remake and FEH? Same thing will happen to a fricking Leaf and Sigurd.
People love drawing Alm though
Look!
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=9474237
Eh, I feel like Alm just falls into the 'liked but nobody's favorite' hole.
Awakening chads which side do we join in the pro and anti 3 Houses civil war? And since we are the older ones but not the oldest, someone else has to go pick up Eliwood and Hector gays from their old people nursing home. That means you Echoes Shadows of Valentia babies, go pick up the old Fire Emblem gays next to the the Ike games brothel.
>Awakening
Canonically only liked by troons
I would cum inside Miriel and merge our autism into our child
Old enough to remember when Fire Emblem Blazing Blade was called the Awakening newbie entry game of its era.
I have never played Valentia, is Alm really stuck with Celica? As far as I know all Fire Emblem Lords endings are vague enough with who they end up with, but Valentia sounds like Alm always plows into Celica ginger pussy?
He scored three wives just like his son, Rex
>As far as I know all Fire Emblem Lords endings are vague enough with who they end up with
Only on the LGBT games
>fe1 and 3
Marth x Caeda
>fe2
Alm x Celica
>fe4
Sigurd x Deirdre
Seliph x Julia
>fe5
Leif x Nanna
For the record Ike is a Lord in 2 Fire Emblem games and has no pairing. The Princess shipping tease was not in the original Path of Radiance script, Nintendo of America Treehouse added it.
Back when treehouse shook the gay away
Imagine being a gacha Black person and ruining /feg/ so thoroughly you have to get here to be a nuisance
>When you are the next male corrin and there isn't nothing you can do about it.
rare pairing
I kind of like the Alcryst X Ivy support because it's one of the few that acknowledges the main plot. Alcryst doesn't immediately trust Ivy. She's of Elusia. She assisted in his father's murder. They are not friends even if they are allies, at least at first.
Ivy should have been a secondary antagonist rather then Recruitable, kinda like Edelgard, a tyrant brutally suppressing opposition that made a pact with Shadow israelites, Diamant should have left Elusia in Rubble
Do you have filters for that guy?
Literally me rn
FEHbortion talk
Where are my femanon wives?
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ive been playing fe1 I think i like it more than 3h
glad to hear you’re having fun anon
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We're getting an FE6 remake before we'd ever get an FE4 remake.
>The game sold better
>Roy is one of the most beloved lords in the series (and it doesn't matter that his fans are all smash secondaries, they're still potential sales)
>They can go full sovless and shove Lyn in for those Blazing Blade baby bucks
>*coping noises*
reminder echoes exists
Yeah, and they're not making the same mistake twice.
The FE6 remake has been hinted in interviews as well, FE4 remake is pure loud minority crying.
>and they're not making the same mistake twice.
reminder trannius exists
Anon they literally made the Engage narrative despite being well aware of how controversial Fates and Awakening's stories were. They will absolutely "make the same mistake" especially when Intsys has a hard on for FE4.
>how controversial Awakening's story was
troonys b***hing in your discord isn't the same as public outcry.
Disingenuous. Awakening's story wasn't considered all that good back then, pretty sure it was outright acknowledged before by Intsys too.
>pretty sure it was outright acknowledged before by Intsys too.
Things that never happened: the post.
Awakening's story was enjoyable enough that they got a legit writer wanting to work on Fates and then they proceeded to throw out 90% of what the guy wrote and butchered his story.
We're getting a FE13 remake before either
I'll be completely honest, an FE13 remake with Engage's engine and Fates mechanics and map design would be a contender for best FE game in the series.
If they completely scrap the map design and game mechanics and they rewrite the story and characters it might be ok
Awakening is one of the least bad stories in the franchise though. There is very little in Awakening's story that's actually poorly written, even the time travel element is done in an acceptable manner.
They could rework some of the supports though, get rid of all those food supports.
>>The game sold better
FE4 sales: 0.498 million units sold
FE6 sales: 0.346 million units sold
>>Roy is one of the most beloved lords in the series (and it doesn't matter that his fans are all smash secondaries, they're still potential sales)
Engage had every FE character from Smash, yet sold less than 3H
>>They can go full sovless and shove Lyn in for those Blazing Blade baby bucks
Okay you win
Dorothea shaves
Dorothy doesn't
Dorothy is superior
Lute thread next please
Truth is no single FE character is so good and popular they sell a game by just being in it
Which is why IS should just focus on always making new and exciting games
Remakes and rereleases in FE always flop
If the next game is a remake this series is as good as dead unless a new one is released one year later
just rerelease 4 with a speed up feature like they did with 1
The last new exciting game was 3H and that was shit.
>The last new exciting game
no it was engage
>Memberberries: The Game
I wouldn't call that new.
>Remakes and rereleases in FE always flop
SoV wasn't a flop
>1 million sales after the two games before it both went over 2 million
Holy cope
>already moving the goalpost
cope
you lost
Cope
I just explained how it was a flop
That wasn't moving a goalpost, moron
>Truth is no single FE character is so good and popular they sell a game by just being in it
ENTER
who
>Literally bugged with stats that are 7 levels lower than they are supposed to be
Even ISIS doesn't care about her nor Trannius
>Literally bugged with stats that are 7 levels lower than they are supposed to be
huh
Fiona is supposed to be autoleveled to Level 9, but instead what happens is that she still joins at level 9, but with her level 1 bases. So she has 8 less levels worth of stats than she's supposed to have
lmao
RD, not even once
I still love it tho
Wow is this b***h shit. Definitely in the running for worst character in her game.
Nnngh can't handle the hebe tummy
It's a nice tummy
why make remakes when new games = new characters = more gacha sales
That's exactly what IM SAYING TOO
If the next game is a remake, it's gonna drop FEH's sales and ranking to new lows
A remake just isn't worth it right now, and honestly it never is
Why? FE4 has loads upon loads of characters not in FEH. A remake would only heighten interest in what are essentially nobodies for the wider audiences. FE4's one of the few casts that still have a lot of characters, characters of note no less. The only other sellers left are Engage and 3H. Every other cast ran out or lack selling power.
Alts are the biggest profit pushers and a remake is a perfect opportunity to shove in alts.
>Remake Roy and Lilina with a new five paragraph effect description PRF
>Old Man Hector, Eliwood, and inexplicably sexier Lyn for the Blazing Blade gays to soi over.
Lol you're moronic
They can make Alts right now they don't need a remake for it
Releasing a remake this year or next year and making us wait +4 years for a new game means we're looking at +6 years without new characters
Think about what that'll do to FEH
Shit will get stale quick
FEH is both already stale as frick and still missing a bunch of characters from 3H and Engage.
Which is why we need faster releases of new entire casts
3 houses characters were able to inject new life into FEH even when it was going bad, we need more successfully popular characters and that can only be gotten by making brand new games
3H killed FEH.
>think of the virtual slot machine!!
god you phoneBlack folk are morons every one of you
You jugcucks are worse
You don't need a remake just emulate your shit game and call it a day
just go to gelbooru for free pics, addict
All Black folk deserve death
I’m starting to believe only a handful here actually like FE at all