The imagination theory constantly gets proven the more information is released.
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no fricking shit. why do you think babby game written by morons would even bother breadcrumbing deep lore if they weren't going to use it
Time travel gays have been all but obliterated
Only 39 more days until timetravelgays kill themselves out of embarrassment of their own stupidity.
>imagination
>time travel
QRD on both?
>QRD on both?
Autism unfiltered and unfettered.
>Last Story section of Scarlet/Violet states Paradox Pokemon came from the past/future via time machine
>This explanation doesn't even begin to explain most of the contradictions regarding Paradox Pokemon, as well as the existence of robo!Sada/robo!Turo and the time machine itself
>Even the game points out that Paradox Pokemon coming from the past/future doesn't make much sense during a discussion with Arven after the Last Story
>As a result, people have latched onto the theory that the time machine is actually a wish granting machine instead, powered by the MYSTERY homie from Heath's book (Terapagos) fueled by the imagination of whoever makes the wish (Imagination Theory)
>And as a result of THIS, other people have pushed back on this idea as mere poppywiener, and that time time machine is as it says, with the Paradox Pokemon indeed coming from the past/future (Time Travel Theory)
There's more to it, but that's the general gist
thank you
Tldr
Terapagos can do anything and I don't understand the plot so it's reality warping and everything Heath said is a lie except for Terapagos. The game is setting up a double twist, it can't be time travel or ancient civilizations or alchemy, it's all the professor who imagined it, if they didn't that would mean Occulture is real and it doesn't make sense because Occulture isnt supposed to be real and Arven says it's time travel isn't real.
>>time travel
The game says it's time travel and there's nothing that says otherwise.
That's it.
These threads are genuinely that fricking moronic now.
holy cope
QRD: a twitter schizo makes up gay little riddles and vp schizos say it means paradox pokemon are imaginary; also the troons on this board have never seen a turtle in their entire lives and one of them decided tarapagos looks like a dream catcher so they all started parroting it
>time travel
The game states that paradox pokemon are from the past/future so they're most likely from the past/future.
>imagination
The game makes a lot of hints that something is off and a fakemon sketch is actually three real pokemon. Maybe it's not what the game says and actually it's fakemon becoming real.
To boil it down it's basically an argument between "there's no twist in the dlc" vs "there's a twist in the dlc" but with a bunch of shitposting from people getting way too defensive about people disagreeing with their side
>The game makes a lot of hints that something is off
Anon, there are literally no hints that affect the origin of the paradoxes or cast doubt on time travel.
What's the newest bits?
Not that I've ever doubted, because no shit.
Okay but where can I find a tubby cutie who plays Pokémon and would sit on my face after stuffing my pussy?
>stuffing my pussy
Sorry about your cat but I'm not into taxidermy so pass
GF will never clarify this plot point and people will discuss forever
To be fair pokemon has a tendency of never fully elaborating or expanding on shit. Look at Unown for example. The event with Areceus where they show up and create new legends but they never really explain Wtf is happening
Remember Project Azoth ?
I do, but this time, there's no Yokai Watch making GF scared shitless nor there is an anniversary down the corner to rush out a next generation for either.
Unlike Gen 6, which was left very obviously incomplete, you really can tell that for once in their life for Gen 9 they've actually organized and are trying to properly build-up "something. The main story of the game is complete but the underlying background of hows and whys is left unexplained and tons of hints and dropped, and now the first DLC adds even more to it, and there's one last DLC left where the mystery homie turtle is apparently finally appearing at long last after being foreshadowed endlessly.
Look at how even the new anime is all about the damn meme turtle right now. They're actually having all the medias line-up towards the same mystery and the same answer.
I'm not saying that this is a 10/10 masterpiece of storytelling, just that for the first time in their life it seem like they're actually creating a proper "something". rather than just sprinkling things here and there, doing frick-all with all of them, leaving things incomplete and half-assed and moving on to the next half-assing.
My guess is that they'll focus on the Dokutaro story for the first part of the DLC. Then after the update we'll have a minimum storyline with Briar going into Area Zero and catch Terapagos without the Paradox Pokemon mystery being revealed.
First portion of the DLC will be the Blueberry and the Terrarium. You'll have whatever grandiose battle with Kieran and the Briar will do whatever with Terapagos/19th type/Area Zero. It's already been stated the zombie stuff/Dokutaro is a side quest. We don't have the Regis/birds like Crowned Tundra did, so we'll probably get more cutscenes/story driven like they did with Perrin. Dokutaro for one side quest and Dipplin evolution w/ Perrin for the other.
My issue is nether explanation really makes sense out of the Iron Leaves sketch, so it just makes it seem like they are throwing ideas at a wall to see what sticks.
I’m guessing what’s happening with the paradox legendary trios in that in the Scarlet/Violet book there’s the triple fusion.
But in Occulture, the first 3 entries which are missing which are probably the legendary paradox trio of that game’s version. So the Occulture writers defused the triple fusion in the book and slapped a dinosaur/robot aesthetic on them to fit their narrative and then the professor imagined the paradoxes in Occulture over the triple fusion in thevScarlet/Violet books because they liked the past/future angle better too
The "triple fusion" was a hint to paradox Johto and Unova trios, without actually spoiling the forms they intended to give them Anon. They wanted us to know there was more paradox creatures incoming, thus threw together a sketch of parts of all three and included them in the back of the Book.
I don't think people realize you can see the book immediately when you start the game. They wouldn't spoil pokemon a year+ in advance in the base game.
It's the same as the gays who deny Violet is the canon story because they instist the violet book in Cogita's room in Legends isn't supposed to be the actual Violet Book, because it didn't have Miraidon on the cover.
As if they'd spoil the box legend of the upcoming paired games in January, when they weren't even planning to reveal them at game reveal in February.
Anon, don't lump me in with that. It's probably an Easter Egg, but it doesn't prove anything is canon. If anything Pokemon Masters is more faithful to what is or isn't canon, and that has Nemona wearing Naranja colors.
Anon, it's a call-forward to the next games - the same as them including a map featuring a real-life region which usually ends up being the setting of the next game in the last game/content of a Gen.
Never mind the only game story that makes coherent sense is Violet's (as in the story beats all make sense - "robots" from the future [I still think they're cybernetic organisms], a Raidon with genetic similarities to Cyclizar form the future, an advanced AI showing up, then going to the future in its breakdown state), given Cyclizar's 'dex entry contradicts Koraidon's entire existence (can't be from the distant past as parietal art from early cave-dwelling humans notes it as part of their ecology, unless it's an alt universe past to the prime universe's).
it's just a purple book anon, I think you're reaching
Not when they selected screenshots from that game to include in the history class of the new game anon. If Legends is canon to SV's timeline and they only bothered with putting a Violet book into Legends, then Violet has to be the canon events.
You know none of that makes sense with Violet right?
>"robots" from the future [I still think they're cybernetic organisms]
The future is inherently unknown and can change on a whim so it makes no sense for them to be one specific thing.
>a Raidon with genetic similarities to Cyclizar form the future
A biomechanical creature wouldn't have carbon based DNA, it would be silicon based and a genetic relation would be hard to find.
>given Cyclizar's 'dex entry contradicts Koraidon's entire existence
Which it doesn't. You can't comprehend the difference between 10,000 and 1,000,000 if not further back. Even then we haven't seen those depictions for all we know it could look like Koraidon.
Above all else, a woman leaving their child? Come on.
>A biomechanical creature wouldn't have carbon based DNA, it would be silicon based and a genetic relation would be hard to find.
Source? Again thep lot of the game outright says there's a genetic link with the Raidons and Cyclizar. We already established it can't be dinopuppybike, because Cyclizar's been chilling with humans 10K years in the past. Like I said, a cybernetic organism is part mechanical, part organic. There's no law stating it needs to be silicone-based, because this isn't your kiddy game to make and Game Freak presented it as I outlined.
This isn't the real world, stop trying to force your justification of it into Pokémon, ya fat spastic 'tard.
>We already established it can't be dinopuppybike, because Cyclizar's been chilling with humans 10K years in the past
Anon dinosaurs were fricking DEAD 10k years ago.
>b-b-but Sandy Shocks-
Occulture isn't reputable at fricking all, they even state this IN GAME.
I'm using the 'Dex and professor's work (which I'm pretty sure had the "genetic relation to cyclizar" mention). And from that alone, Scarlet can't be canon. Koraidon can't devolve over time (like the reverse of small mammals evolving over time to us humans and other weird and wonderful shit when the dinos died out) to become a cyclizar. But a Cyclizar absolutely could theoretically evolve over time to become a Miraidon (especially if it ends up being human experimentaion to assist it adapt to some new environment in the "future").
>Koraidon can't devolve over time (like the reverse of small mammals evolving over time to us humans and other weird and wonderful shit when the dinos died out) to become a cyclizar.
Why not, exactly? You do realize that literally every species of large dinosaur from that era either died out outright or ended up evolving into a far smaller form to fit the changing world, right?
Also, there is no such thing as "devolving". ANY change over time is evolution, and most of the time said changes are beneficial to said species in the long run simply due to how the process works (even if it isn't a deliberate one).
>Koraidon can't devolve over time
Anon, that would be evidence against Miraidon being a Cyclizar that devolved similar traits to Koraidon while Koraidon evolved into Cyclizar over time and through domestication much like a dog.
>Koraidon can't devolve over time (like the reverse of small mammals evolving over time to us humans and other weird and wonderful shit when the dinos died out) to become a cyclizar
That's very dumb for a lot of reasons. Animals irl evolve to become smaller all the time, island dwarfism is a good example.
>Source?
It's a machine. Machines are not made out of flesh and blood.
>because Cyclizar's been chilling with humans 10K years in the past
>You can't comprehend the difference between 10,000 and 1,000,000 if not further back. Even then we haven't seen those depictions for all we know it could look like Koraidon.
This is why you read more than one sentence in a post.
>There's no law stating it needs to be silicone-based,
Literally the fact that it is a machine. And calling it a cybernetic organism wouldn't make a difference either.
It's not a machine though - game outright states the professor found a genetic link between his Raidon and Cyclizar. Ergo, it's a cyborg.
>It's not a machine though
They are literally made of metal and the wheels wouldn't physically work if they had organs.
Yeah? Koraidon's throat sac inflates but doesn't rollwhen it runs, Miraidon's wheel protrudes, but projects an energy beam which it rolls on.
I might add, this is Pokémon - a series where a walking stomach has not only its own stomach but all the other organs a complex living organism is stated to possess.
>a series where a walking stomach has not only its own stomach but all the other organs a complex living organism is stated to possess.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of Gulpin works
You have a fundamental lack of game knowledge.
>can't be from the distant past as parietal art from early cave-dwelling humans notes it as part of their ecology
Dinosaurs existed over a hundred million and then died over 60 million years before even ANCESTRAL humans, cave paintings mean jack and shit because Koraidon (given it actually was an ancient Pokemon) would evolved out of that state by then anyhow
And before you try to get smart, no, Pokemon's world still has the general prehistoric time periods laid out like ours as confirmed by Genesect's species classification, meaning you can draw direct parallels.
Anon, nothing TPC do, unless outright worked on directly by Game Freak staffers is canon to Game Freak's universe. It's part of Pokémon, but not part of the Pocket Monsters series. Masuda worked on GO with a few other oldgay devs, thus it's canon to the games. Game Freak made Quest, so it's canon to the games. Sugi left Game Freak to frick off to play dress up with the girls he drew, at this stage he's getting shit handed to him to start putting in Masters. The marketing put Nemona in orange too, but Game Freak disregard marketing. They didn't tease a scarlet book in the Loremistress' room. They put the Violet book, because they consider Violet canon. They make one game, then decide how to bullshit up the "differences" and as I already mentioned, Violet's works more coherently.
What's funny is this is the same exact comment you posted last time you tried making this argument.
And yet nothing has changed, TPC still kneel to Game Freak and Game Freak still went and made Violet the canon tale. Almost as if they are above the concerns of the company they part-established to divest themselves of everything TPC are tasked with producing, to allow them to concentrate on producing engaging experiences for 7 year old children to enjoy. Protip, if a company is a subsidiary of another, that means they ultimately report to their owners. And as much as you want to piss and moan about it, Game Freak own TPC. They bought the dog, to not have to bark themselves, dipshit.
Anon can you show me which Tapu this is
It wasn't one? It was a hint to upcoming shit, like they didn't actually draw Walking Wake/Iron Leaves, Raging Bolt/Iron Crown or the paradox Entei/Terrakion, but instead hinted they were to come, by adding a sketch of an amalgamation of the three (again to hint there were more forms incoming), knowing they were bringing us back down to AZ at the end.
Oh so it was an Easter egg, like a purple book being an Easter egg for SV in PLA. Thank you for clarifying that easter eggs are not 1:1!
When the context of the easter egg is only understood in a future release it's a call-forward or tease. Like Joker cards showing up at the end of Batman Begins - to tease the next villain. And here we are in the post-Violet Book world.
>but Game Freak disregard marketing
Games are forced out to hit deadlines because of marketing. Why are you lying. We have half assed, buggy messes for years because of it.
You think it's marketing forcing it, and not Game Freak doing it naturally, that's why. They shat out Bue then Special Pikachu edition, to get Nintendo off their arse (who'd set a year turnaround deadline for pokémon 2 and only it was growing so big and the fact they shat out blue to give an improved engine for localisation and Yellow to tie into the anime on kid's telly, it would have died on its arse as they'd pull the plug after 2 years of missed deadlines). it was after that Nintendo gave them 3 years for the next and a mandate for any side games they could spit out too (which take about 2 years to make Legends being th most recent) - RS, the FRLG to put the missing back, the Emerald to push more GBA's.
They only make Pokémon, they've gotten scarily efficient at shitting out new games - frick they wrote code to boot OG 3DS' into a safe mode, to even let the fricking things play Gen 7 (I've personally tested the lag between boot up from home screen on both launch edition and 2016's NN3DSXL's Pokémon model unit). But they've been limited to what Nintendo gave them hardware wise and since end of the Game Boy, Nintendo handhelds lagged horrifically to console and portable gaming/smartphones when they came about. Where you see "rush" (Game Freak don't crunch), I see a bunch of industry mavericks (in the truest sense of the word) that are doing the 3D learning the rest of the industry went through 12-ish years ago. The only difference is they're afforded incremental improvements due to having the biggest kiddy IP on the planet in their arse pocket and they had the cash to tackle it continuously, unlike most other their peer studios from Nintendo handhelds that either pivoted fully to mobile developments or failed trying to adapt to the 3D era. Because they never had to rely on only engaging adult players in an already stacked market of games looking for adults to play them. They get em by being a kiddy game, with a gameplay loop anyone can get addicted to.
I'm not reading that, autist.
>frick they wrote code to boot OG 3DS' into a safe mode, to even let the fricking things play Gen
Do you have a source for this? 3ds hacking and shit is hella interesting to me but I've never seen this claim before
Anon, are you really going to believe someone who thinks that GF only makes pokemon, all of their issues are hardware related and that most of Nintendo's studios are on mobile?
No, that's part of why I'm asking for a source lmao. Safe mode in particular is a very specific thing for the 3DS so I'm pretty sure their claim is BS, but maybe they mean the game is overclocked or throttled or something on o3DS hardware. The game does run better on my n3DS but I've never heard of it booting into a special mode to even work on the o3DS
The special mode is a thing but GF wasn't behind it. Smash was making use of it like two years before.
But it's not because they're well made games, the opposite in fact, they're so poorly made that they needed to boot in that mode to run on 3ds.
That may have actually what it was and my reading of the situation was incorrect. I do know it boots quicker on n3DS, maybe I was wrong as to why.
They don't make "just" pokémon. But they don't really give a frick about what else they make nowadays other than it being training for staff in cross-disciplines or newbies being tasked with learning how to make shit, to be brought onto the Pokémon team. When they put as much of their arse into other projects, to the point they market and develop them equally to Pokémon, you can say they don't only make Pokémon. When it's been their fricking focus of the past 30 years (and they only made games in the 90s to continue to afford to produce Red and Green). And the reason they lag 10 years behind the industry is because Nintendo didn't push them to 3D, until the gimmick of their new handheld was 3D. But when they hit 3d, they hit the same problem every other fricking dev hit going from 2-3D and that was learning how to develop in 3D. there's also the elephant in the room of it's a fricking kid's series, thus they don't need to git gud at it so fricking quickly. moron kids bought Ruby, why wouldn't they buy Violet? From SM to Violet, there's been great progression. But you monkeys think a game needs to give a shit about adults only, thus seeing something unashamedly for kids to the point they disregard the b***hing of autistic adults everywhere as inconsequential to ultimately producing their next game triggers the fricking shit out of you. How dare they succeed despite not meeting (You)r critically impotent standards...
>But when they hit 3d, they hit the same problem every other fricking dev hit going from 2-3D and that was learning how to develop in 3D
Anon, GF doesn't even make the 3d models. Why are you trying to pretend that they're these super competent developers?
And there's more to making a 3D game than making a pokémon's model anon. NPC's, terrain, buildings - that's all part of the challenge. But smoothies like you don't understand that and parrot inconsequential details in your haste to ignore the point.
>NPC's, terrain, buildings - that's all part of the challenge.
Anon, they are 3d models.
What did I just tell you.
Creatures only does the POKÉMON models, you smooth-brained incel frick. Because it's better a studio tangentially related to the series does the gruntwork of turning 100-ish new designs into models for the entire franchise, than foist that on a bunch of devs who never seriously had to do modelling to any great degree AND expect them to make a game with all the bells and whistles on top at the same time. This is from a presentation they gave on how they brought their concepts of how SV should look, concentrating on making the terrain and background look real and deformed to contrast the stylised characters and NPC's.
>But smoothies like you don't understand that and parrot inconsequential details in your haste to ignore the point.
Anon, EVERYTHING you've said has been wrong. Even when you agree with time travel you're right but you don't even know why you're right because you can't do a modicum of fact checking. I mean look at this shit
>And the reason they lag 10 years behind the industry is because Nintendo didn't push them to 3D, until the gimmick of their new handheld was 3D.
Do you genuinely believe this when Nintendo has always been known for being hands off with third parties?
>Anon, EVERYTHING you've said has been wrong.
See
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If Creatures modelled the terrain, why are Game Freak making a presentation on how they went from their concept art to finished game environment. Die in a fire. And Game Freak aren't third party. That's exclusively reserved for studios that make games to appear on many different consoles barring exclusivity deals. And I don't see Pokémon on the Xbox yet.
>why are Game Freak making a presentation on how they went from their concept art to finished game environment.
It's almost as if GF are the ones who make the concept art. You fricking mongoloid.
>And Game Freak aren't third party
They're third party, they aren't owned by Nintendo in any capacity.
And no, that doesn't make them "second party" because that's not even a thing.
>That's exclusively reserved for studios that make games to appear on many different consoles barring exclusivity deals.
Which by your definition would make GF third party, dipshit. They're co owners of the pokemon brand between Nintendo, Creatures and GF and that's the only reason pokemon isn't on other consoles.
>And I don't see Pokémon on the Xbox yet.
And yet games like Tembo, Giga Wrecker and Little Town Hero are because they're third party, jackass.
Anon, Creatures don't develop the Pocket Monsters games. They just make the models of the pokémon creatures for the Pocket Monsters games.
Are all your sub-species as fricking moronic as you or were you just born broken?
>Anon, Creatures don't develop the Pocket Monsters games.
How are you even alive. I'm surprised you remember you have to breathe.
NTA but it works like this
>GF makes concept art
>concept art is sent to Creatures
>creatures makes models of not just the pokemon but everything they're told to make
>GF doesn't do the additional work in optimizing the game
>game runs like shit
nta but the 3DS did have a special mode for smash bros and monster hunter where it rebooted the whole device and unloaded most the OS to make more ram available, but I can't find anything about Pokémon using it. Considering how badly Pokémon ran on OG 3DS I think
is just forgetting that the N3DS has better specs and just booted up games faster.
Ty anons TIL
i believe you left out the word "wrong" after "proven" there
Imagination theory gets mogged hard by wish theory.
"imagination" is kind of a misnomer, imagination and wish theory are the same theory, wishing just came into the forefront after we learned about Dokutaro.
Stop piggybacking off of others, imaginationgay.
The important thing is that only morons would claim it to be time travel.
They're literally the same thing you fricking moron.
Play in the traffic and spare the genepool of your rancid stupidity.
I really, truly believe that it'll end up being some sort of mix of both Imagination and Time Travel, where Terapagos maybe "imagines" the Paradox Pokemon to exist on the timeline. I do think imaginationgays have been "more correct" but there's still evidence that doesn't make their argument perfect. As an example, how can Sada and Turo know of Terapagos and seemingly how it works and still act like it's time travel. If it wasn't time travel then from a story telling standpoint it makes the two look kinda stupid. TimeTravelgays have been proven wrong repeatedly in these threads so there's not really a need to explain why it's not simply JUST time travel. But overall I think you guys are both right in a way, but also both wrong.
>As an example, how can Sada and Turo know of Terapagos and seemingly how it works and still act like it's time travel.
It's not that hard, really.
Imagine if you met a creature that makes what you want true, and what you want is a specific thing like, say, time travel.
It gives you time travel.
Are you going to assume it's essentially a wish granter, or will you assume it has time travel powers?
>Imagine if you
They can't, that's the problem. The funniest part about the "debate" is that it's imagination people saying it's literally anything else because the game alludes to it clearly not being time travel, but timetravel contrarians vehemently argue that it has to be EXACTLY time travel as the AI believes it is. They can't comprehend text from the game that refutes it.
The professor was pretty single minded in their goal to see the paradox Pokemon, their interest in tera crystals, and by extension, Terapagos, began and ended with how to harness their power to make their time machine. The Tera Orb literally only exists so the professor could get the funding to go deeper into Area Zero, the professor invents the Pokeball lock, something that would change the world if made public, entirely so no one could stop them and their time machine. The AI robot pops out of thin air and is far beyond the scope of what humans can make, but instead of the professor being like woah there's something weird going on here, they just say "cool, work on the time machine". The professor only has a single goal in mind and charges headfirst toward that goal, anything else be damned, I actually think Terapagos is IN the time machine and the professor is just using the damn thing as a battery.
If the professor wasn't insanely autistic, they probably would've cracked the code on Terapagos really quickly, but then again if the professor wasn't autistic they would be a totally different character.
>The Tera Orb literally only exists so the professor could get the funding to go deeper into Area Zero
what are Tera orbs? I know that sounds like a dumb question but it feels relevant to the conversation. compared to the other regions gimmick, mega and Z rings, and the dynamax bands make sense they're powered by special energy and or stones but not Tera orbs they're just balls that do things, it's not explained. you could just say "oh its powered by the crystal!" yeah but what is the crystal, do you buy these things, nemona just gives you one like it's no big deal but where do they come from and how do they function? my theory is that they're terapagos scales, the professors had access to it so they could've easily harvested the scales from it and mass produced a bunch of tera orbs
It's plates from its shell.
Alao it bears uncanny resemblance with Liko's pendant which was literally a dormant Terapagos.
I originally thought they were scales from Terapogos, but then that creates ANOTHER paradox in the anime. Terapogos has been dormant for at least 100 years. Tera Orbs have been created and used multiple times with no mention of Terapogos. In one of the recent episodes, Terapogos is actually enamored seeing tera Charizard for the first time.
>Tera Orbs have been created and used multiple times with no mention of Terapogos.
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>in the anime
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Why does it matter? Obviously they were also made by the professor (Sada, technically) in the anime, otherwise it wouldn't exist there
>Terapogos has been dormant for at least 100 years
Why do you come to threads like this if you have no ability to read?
>he thinks there's only one Terapagos
Anon... Obviously big c**t at the bottom of AZ that Heath saw is still there
I would actually love it if there were multiple Terapogos, but until there's actual evidence that there is I'm going off of the information that we have. Its name in the files is "ancient turtle" so there's no reason at this moment to believe there's multiple.
It's literally impossible for Liko's Terapagos to be the same one. It was first traveling with Lucius, then it was locked away in an attic, then it was with Liko's grandma and then with her. The professor clearly studied a specimen in AZ.
There is no professor in the anime that we're aware of.
There must be because Tera Orbs exist, and they invented it.
They don't need to be the one to invent them. Terapogos most likely won't be locked in a suitcase like it was in the anime.
Nothing you just said has anything to do with the machine.
>Nothing you just said has anything to do with the machine.
It has everything to do with the machine. What lacks the relation to make a coherent theory is time travel because it can't conceivably explain why the AI exists, how terastallization functions, or why every inspiration in the game points to it being anything but time travel.
You seem to have deluded yourself into thinking there is a single group or person that is pushing "imagination theory" when in reality the opposite is true for time travel copers and "imagination theory" itself is just code for it being anything but. If you want to single out a single group for pulling threads together the more appropriate term is "atlantischads"
It's TerapAgos, moron
Yeah it drives me insane that most people here are morons who can't spell tbh
Being ESL is one think but get the fricking name right ffs
Considering their design is quite literally based off of Terapagos’ Normal form, Tera Orbs in-game have to be based off of the study of this form by the Professor, but doesn’t explain the hexagonal references the Professor mentions, unless it was originally encapsulated in a small shield when it was found… doesn’t explain how Tera Orbs necessarily exist in the anime, unless this is actually a hint there are two?
But the anime is known for doing it’s own thing as well.
Either way, my guess is Tera Crystals must be refined somewhere it it he shape they get put into the machine as, probably based off the form Terapagos disguises as as the most ‘energy efficient’ way of drawing in atmospheric Tera Energy to ‘power up’ the Tera Orb…
This brings up a weird point to me, though, if the Tera Orbs collect energy when tossed out… why do we see them swirl and take more energy in, or is this the internal Tera energy getting distributed to make the Tera israeliteel? This almost would make me suspect Tera Energy is just floating in the air and getting captured by Tera Orbs, then when we ‘recharge’ them, what’s actually happening is they are being emptied into the League System as ‘LP’. Would be a system set up for the League, by Sada and Turo’s backers, if it was not the League itself, and as the League seems to have control over Area Zero… doesn’t it just seem like the Area Zero Project was originally a Paldean League experiment? The league could have built the system connecting it to the Time Machine, and have been funneling LP, or ambient Tera Energy, back into the Time Machine and thus ‘creating’ an endless supply of regular Paradox Pokémon?
But it would explain why
would be occuring. Not enough has been collected for another Raidon, but enough is being pumped in to ‘make’ Paradise.
>mega and Z rings, and the dynamax bands make sense they're powered by special energy and or stones but not Tera orbs they're just balls that do things,
Yeah they are, they have a crystal from area zero inside and they're charged up with Tera energy aka Terapagos' energy.
>my theory is that they're terapagos scales, the professors had access to it so they could've easily harvested the scales from it and mass produced a bunch of tera orbs
Fun fact, the professor's never actually encountered Terapagos.
it seems much, much, much more likely to me that the professors wished to make a time machine, which they then actually did, and the paradox mons are actually from the past and future. literally nothing suggests that the time machine isn't real or that the pokémon are imaginary, or at least nothing remotely convincing at any rate.
except the original basis of imagination is the fact paradox pokemon seem so incredibly fake and suspicious. with the comically naive flintstones and robot designs, occulture, going against the past 8 gens of fossil pokemon design philosophy, and paradox pokemon are so scientifically inaccurate to how evolution actually works in the same gen where they have convergent evolutions like real life.
if I have to believe in one thing, I stand by paradox pokemon being fake in some way and aren’t actual fossil or future pokemon
I'd be surprised if GF actually went the route of the Paradox mons being from the future/past. The plot element of Heath going into Area Zero and bringing back sketches and stories of mysterious beasts seems pulled straight from real life stories of the Age of Exploration where explorers would travel deep into the jungle, see some weird shit, and come up with wild stories about giant monkey people. Not to mention the future Paradox mon's dex entries saying their designs are lifted straight from paranormal magazines in Scarlet. I'd wager they're basically gonna go down that route, but have it all be real because the Treasure of Area Zero is Terapagos's ability to grant wishes in it's presence.
This is gonna sound like im splitting hairs, but I don't feel like the professor would wish for a time machine outright, the professor wishes to see the paradox pokemon from the book to make the paradise real, they think they need a time machine for this to happen, but their primary goal has been to see the paradox pokemon. That's why I think the professor gets the Raidon almost immediately after they reach the depths of Area Zero, it was literally on the cover of the book. Then they spend the next 10 years working on the time machine (that already worked just fine once before?) to get more and more Pokemon,
If I were terapagos and saw the professor, I'd grant the "see the pokemon from the book" wish first and foremost because the time machine is only needed to see the pokemon from the book. I also think its possible that the time machine is legit and works, but the paradox pokemon are still fakes since they never actually existed
correct
I think any other explanation would be too convoluted to explain in a kid’s game in the span of a single DLC. so the simple answer is to go back to Unova, go to a school where they give classes about Gen 5 stuff like the dream world, and boom you got a legendary turtle that either created the dream world or is heavily connected to it. and t
and that’s all*
Don't kids love DEEPEST LORE shit these days? look at undertale and that fnaf shit, they eat it up
Not the kids that play Pokemon, that's a bit younger than the ones that are into deep lore.
Feels a little reductive to say the target audience for Pokemon is like, what? 7 years old when Pokemon has a very wide demographic, considering we're grown ass adults who still play the games. The anime is also doing its own DEEPEST LORE type deal with Terapagos, I don't think kids are too stupid to follow a little bit of mystery and misdirection from the story, SV already does this a few times anyways in the main game.
They've shown time and time again that they do not give a single shit about anyone but the toddlers here.
And yes, there is mystery and misdirection, to a point, which will eventually lead to the twist that it was not time travel.
But it's gonna have multiple layers of twists and red herrings to it.
This is why it's so important that Arwen brings up that time travel doesn't make sense at the very end of the main story.
If time travel, as the game leads you to believe, was what it was going to be, they would not include that bit there, as it unnecessarily misleads the children.
They do, but they only like it when an eceleb MatPat explains the DEEPEST LORE because they don't like thinking and coming to conclusions for themselves when there's hundreds, if not thousands of other people willing to do that for them in the form of video content.
Something imaginationgays don't realize is that you have access to Occulture and the Paradox Book from the start of the game, but since you skip every interaction to speedrun the game you didn't see them until the game was over. They're there for you to read about Pokemon and be like "oh are they not actually real?", for the big reveal at the end of the game being that they are, in fact, real. The post game scene with Arven is there to then say "hold on, if they're here because of mom/dad, how were they in Area Zero 200 years ago?" You've formulated a theory completely based on reading information out of order, and I guarantee not a single one of you knows you can read any of this the second you walk into the Academy.
>read occulture first
>wow these conspiracy theory cryptids are fake
>do area zero
>wow why are these things from the conspiracy theory magazine running around in real life
>is that really a legit time machine hmmmm…
Yes, and we know this because of the limited amount of Raidons.
did the professor specifically say they couldn't bring out a third one because the machine couldn't do it, or is it because the professor never got the chance after the alpha one kept causing trouble and eventually killed them?
wouldn't be surprised if they just didn't want the player to have more than 1, though, since it is the box legendary. So they wanted to explain away why you can get a million caveman mushrooms but there aren't raidons running around area zero except the murderer one.
Anon, the only one trying to explain it away is you and I'm not sure if you realize it. You're rationalizing reasons why they were only able to bring 2 to the present, when what we've been presented with should have no problem doing so as a wish machine. Hell, the professor could've just wished for it to be less aggressive. The theory only makes sense if you look at it from one angle and at face value.
>when what we've been presented with should have no problem doing so as a wish machine.
Wrong. Doubly so now that Teal Mask has shown Pokemon be granted wishes at the expense of something.
Khu also hints that LP might be used for something. There are limits and caveats to what the machine can do. You saying this is like complaining why you can't find EVERY Pokemon in the Dream World in Gen 5. Just because "imagination/dreams" play a factor it doesn't mean it's actually limitless.
Someone recently brought up the idea that while every other paradox is made to absorb energy, Koria/Miraidon is the only one who can create energy, in the form of setting terrain or sun, and that's why only a limited number can be produced.
Yep, I’ve actually mentioned it multiple times in threads before, which is what makes the most sense, instead of Time Travel, imo. They)re just created in the image of Terapagos’ “perfect” idea of a world, using itself as a basis for the changes in Paradox Pokemon, or as a result of Tera Energy being able to ‘alter biological life and improve machinery’
I thought the whole Paldea region was a Terapagos, is that theory somehow just dead?
terapagos looks like a dreamcatcher. dreamcatchers are from native americans. the island turtle myth also came from native americans in the first place.
and koraidon looks vaguely native american and there’s an indian motorcycle brand as a fun fact
It originated with the Hindus, but nice cope zodiacgay.
bro
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcatcher
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Island_(Indigenous_North_American_folklore)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle
I know dates are hard.
anons, that’s a world turtle. not an island turtle
Anon, you're a moron. You're trying to play semantics. There's a myth that Vishnu takes the form of a turtle to support Mount Mandara that predates anything the anon attempted to supply. Your entire argument is dead, all you're going to do from this point is mince words.
> You're trying to play semantics.
> The turtle volunteered saying he'd float and they could all stay on him, and that's why they call the land turtle island.
Native American folklore is saying it’s an island. The turtle isn’t carrying the Earth on its back. And Paldea looks like a turtle island. turtle island vs world turtle is a very big distinction.
you’re the one saying terapagos is carrying pokeearth on its back for some reason and think that’s the same as a giant turtle that became an island.
>you’re the one saying terapagos is carrying pokeearth on its back
moron can't even follow the conversation.
How do you figure Terapagos is Paldea when it's literally in Liko's backpack, are you stupid lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurma
My kink is letting you guys run wild with a theory for a little bit, and once you think you've come up with something clever I remind you that you're just making shit up to confirm your bias.
That was before we even knew its name, pretty obvious that's not possible to be true anymore.
Terapagos will hatch from the tera orb.
The biggest giveaway is that there isn't any gameplay mechanic that relates to time travel.
USUM and PLA both had alternate dimensions/time travel as big parts of their stories and that was represented through actual gameplay mechanics such as Ultra Wormholes to catch legendaries and Time Distortions for pokemon that can't exist in the past.
Why is it that we never time travel in a game that's all about the past and future?
Ultra Wormholes do not exist in Sun and Moon.
>Why is it that we never time travel in a game that's all about the past and future?
Play the game, it will tell you
Ultra Wormholes do exist in SM, they were less used than USUM but they were still there as a mechanic.
Oh you mean the only one that happens to be plot relevant
Bro your Looker questline?
You mean the one where you run around in the bushes to catch ultra beasts lol
The wormholes are still present albeit
There is no traveling, which was the point the other anon was trying to make. It's the equivalent of the time machine dropping balls to the AI during the final battle.
Except you literally travel through one in the main story and it becomes a plot element.
Sure, let me reiterate
>Why is it that we never time travel in a game that's all about the past and future?
There is no time travel because the game explains to you that only pokeballs can travel forwards and back, and nothing else. If you go into the machine, there is no way to get back. We see this displayed during the final fight in the game of the machine in action.
In Sun and Moon, we're told these pokemon are ultra beasts. The only time (and only wormhole) you enter is main story related, and nowhere else. All of the Ultra Beasts in the sidequest/postgame are in bushes, there is no other traveling. I am applying the same exact logic as the anon was.
Not until USUM did they introduce a mechanic to hunt pokemon through ultra space. Will we use the machine more in Indigo Disk? Possibly. We're revisiting Area Zero and Penny would most likely reactivate the machine. Who knows what winds up happening.
>There is no time travel because the game explains to you that only pokeballs can travel forwards and back, and nothing else. If you go into the machine, there is no way to get back.
This is why /vp/ should be for English native speakers only because these are contradictory statements and only one adheres to the game.
The first sentence says only pokeballs can go through, nothing else.
The second says that only pokeballs can return meaning anything can go through.
>and nowhere else
Except for when you travel to the time swapped version of Alola.
> I am applying the same exact logic as the anon was.
You aren't, for starters you have major gaps in your knowledge and have very poor understanding of English.
I'm talking about SV, not SM. You shouldn't criticize others about the english language when you fail to navigate conversation.
You're wasting your time. Indigo Disk could open with big bold letters saying ONE MILLION YEARS AGO with a slither wing fighting a crashing wake on a volcano and imaginationgays would say it's a turtle's dream. They can say anything is a wish or imagination. Sometimes they even say the time machine, which they acknowledge exists in canon, was created by a wish. They're that far gone.
I know what you mean, the game could say outright how a time machine makes no sense and then some morons will be like "actually that proves time travel lol"
Oh, wait...
Could you do me a favor and post, word for word, that dialogue from Arven? Maybe we can help you understand it anon.
Found the moron in question lmao
Concession ACKcepted
You travel through it in the story and you can do it again afterwards to get Cosmog. I also did it last night to evolve a Rattata.
I get what you're trying to say but there's never a point in SM where someone questions the origin of UBs the same way Arven does in SV.
>where someone questions the origin of UBs the same way Arven does in SV.
Which he doesn't. Arven never questions the origins of the paradoxes, he questions why they were in the book if the time machine was the reason they were in the present missing the important part that it it's a time machine.
If we went by your logic Necrozma wouldn't be from another world because Looker doesn't think it's related to Ultra Wormholes.
You can literally go to an alternate dimension where the day/night gimmick is reversed
In based SM?
Yes. Take Solgaleo or Lunala to the altar of the Sunne/Moone and then interact with the semi-open wormhole.
This is also how you get Cosmog, you go to the other world and then going to the Lake of the Sunne/Moon will let you encounter it. In Sun's base world it's called the Lake of the Moone, in the alternate world it's changed to the Lake of the Sunne.
I'm wrong then, that's my bad.
Timetroony confirmed to not even play the games, hilarious but expected.
>USUM and PLA both had alternate dimensions/time travel as big parts of their stories and that was represented through actual gameplay mechanics such as Ultra Wormholes to catch legendaries and Time Distortions for pokemon that can't exist in the past.
By your logic be ayae you don't see where the time distortions connect to or where the player comes from there's no time travel in Arceus.
Imagination lost
This basically sounds like the plot to the anime so I don't doubt this happening.
Why do you morons always divide yourself into warring tribes over the most inconsequential shit? Time travel? Imagination? Who fricking cares, the story is barely interesting at best, neither of the two options you mongoloids have globbed onto will change that.
There's people that want to discuss the games plot and solve the paradox, while the others are speed readers that want to say it's all fake because some homosexual on twitter posted something vague.
Careful everyone the timegay(s) have arrived, watch out for bait to cause circular arguments that go nowhere.
I'm glad you're here to pick up the next shift. The last gay ran away when he got called out for lying about the origins of the world turtle.
see
I sure can't wait for it to be nothing and all you imagination/time travel trannies to be BTFO forever
I wonder if they're going to tie this into team plasma somehow
>theory
Stop with this dumb language it's been foreshadowed since day 1
I think the only thing that goes against imagination theory is the fact that Scarlet paradox Pokémons can exist in Violet and vice-versa. The professor in each version is autistic for either past or future Pokémons, never both, so Terapagos has no reason to create the other version's paradox Pokémons, thus they really shouldn't even be tradable in the other game version.
Of course, preventing someone from using some of the other version's Pokémon would be a dumb idea, so I don't think it's actually serious evidence, more like a big plot hole that Gamefreak will probably handwave as being alternate universes and shiet, if they even bother to do that
at that point I figure you just handwave it away if it’s multiplayer. unless you want to get into the lore about the Union Circle of all things getting different universe florian’s and juliana’s running around while riding 3 different Koraidon’s in the Violet universe.
Having a Pokémon supposedly not even exist in a game's version is a big step above them being supposedly unique in my opinion
That's kind of the case, in the opposite version, the past paradoxes are said to be from occulture, but in the case of the raidon, the pokedex says nothing is known about it because the other book doesnt exist and its not written about in occulture
>I think the only thing that goes against imagination theory
Yeah this is the only (you) you're getting. You continue to troll every thread when you know for a fact we've reviewed laundry lists of plot holes imagination can't explain. Ignoring them long enough doesn't make them disappear.
literally just read the rest of the post you dumb c**t
He did. That's how he knew to disregard your post when you started taking imagination seriously
What are those plot holes.
>timeline from Terapagos being found and paradox mons being brought to present
>Heath finding paradox mons immediately and then disappearing after he left Area Zero
>2 Raidons
>machine wishing paradox mons after professor is long dead
>AI existing after the person wishing for it is dead
>Raidon DNA matching
The list goes on but I already know how this conversation goes, so go back to being irrelevant.
>timeline from Terapagos being found and paradox mons being brought to present
What do you mean by this?
>Heath finding paradox mons immediately and then disappearing after he left Area Zero
They were never there in the first place
>2 Raidons
They died after only bringing two
>machine wishing paradox mons after professor is long dead
A machine that's designed to print out specific pokemon wouldn't stop existing after the person that wished for it died
>AI existing after the person wishing for it is dead
Why would the AI disappear when it never leaves Area Zero?
>Raidon DNA matching
You're assuming your own conclusion in that the AI is correct.
> timeline from Terapagos being found and paradox mons being brought to present
> Heath finding paradox mons immediately and then disappearing after he left Area Zero
either heath lied going with the narrative that he’s a fraud that the game likes saying over and over. or you possibility that the entirety of area zero is part of the dream world and heath’s area zero dream world is separate from the player entering the professor’s area zero dream world. cuz you know, terapagos connected to the dream world seems likely now.
> 2 Raidons
what about it? the professor thinks they are dinosaur/robot cyclizars and they got killed by the 2nd one they brought over
>machine wishing paradox mons after professor is long dead
the machine is automated. it’d make more sense is a machine just had a snapshot of a professor’s wish/dream the moment it was built and kept making paradoxes based on that snapshot.
the professor doesn’t need to be alive for that
> AI existing after the person wishing for it is dead
AI got made and now exists. why does the person who dreamt/wished/desired for it to exist dying cause it to not exist anymore?
> Raidon DNA matching
there’s a pachirisu I got from the dream world in gen 5. a pokemon imagined into existence. are you saying my dream world pachirisu wouldn’t have matching DNA with a normal pachirisu because it came from a dream?
>either heath lied going with the narrative that he’s a fraud that the game likes saying over and over
The game is literally about how not everything is as it seems.
Penny is Cassiopia
The professor was an AI
Ogerpon was the good guy
Heath was telling the truth
>and heath’s area zero dream world is separate from the player entering the professor’s area zero dream world
Except for the fact that everything is the fricking same.
>what about it?
If it were dreams they would have been able to conjure more than one with ease.
>it’d make more sense is a machine just had a snapshot of a professor’s wish/dream the moment it was built and kept making paradoxes based on that snapshot.
Then it wouldn't be imagination/wishes anyway because it's not being drawn from the mind.
>why does the person who dreamt/wished/desired for it to exist dying cause it to not exist anymore?
Because under the imagination theory things have a half life of sorts.
>there’s a pachirisu I got from the dream world in gen 5
Your pachirisu came from the entree forest, it's home, it wasn't dreamed up but rather it became friends with your pokemon in a dream.
That's how it always worked.
>I think the only thing that goes against imagination theory is the fact that Scarlet paradox Pokémons can exist in Violet and vice-versa
That affirms it, because the time machine only pulls in stuff from that specific period depending on your version which doesn't make sense if it's an actual time machine.
Meanwhile, it spitting out stuff based on the user conforms to what we know about the Paradoxes.
>That's kind of the case, in the opposite version, the past paradoxes are said to be from occulture
All of them are from Occulture. The difference is that the professor from your version is a fan of different issues describing the Paradox Pokemon we see. The descriptions in the Scarlet/Violet book are said to be only loosely connected.
Time travel bros still can't explain why the professor keeps Occulture on hand.
That's not how you use affirm in a sentence
if it's an actual time machine, the other paradoxes would at least technically exist in universe, even if it's in a different time period. Imagination means that they shouldn't even be a concept. It's bizarre that they're even referenced in the occulture book for that matter, regardless of theory. Either that's a stupidly big coincidence or another plot hole. I do still think that the imagination theory is right because of everything else the game throws at you
No you didn't
>No you didn't
Of course I didn't, because I read his post.
>It's bizarre that they're even referenced in the occulture book for that matter, regardless of theory. Either that's a stupidly big coincidence or another plot hole
No you're just fricking stupid. Read the Occulture pages.
I'm talking about the dex entries for the other version's paradoxes, the "paranormal"/"dubious" magazine referenced in it is obviously Occulture
One, learn English
Two, you're still fricking moronic because it's the dex. It's not evidence for anything. Groudon and Kyogre for instance are great saviors and we know that they can't even control their weather abilities.
>One, learn English
Yeah frick off with that
>Two, you're still fricking moronic because it's the dex
How the frick does that explain anything? We're not talking about the dex going "yeah this Pokémon is 10000 degrees hot and shiet", here it's clearly talking about one specific magazine, it IS hard evidence.
>and we know that they can't even control their weather abilities.
I'm pretty sure you're just pulling more shit from your ass there
>I'm pretty sure you're just pulling more shit from your ass there
Yeah tell that to gen 3 and ORAS where just being awake caused droughts and storms.
>Yeah tell that to gen 3 and ORAS where just being awake caused droughts and storms.
Why would you assume that it's not exactly what they wanted to do when they woke up?
>here it's clearly talking about one specific magazine, it IS hard evidence.
NTA but the dex references shit from other versions all the time Celesteela doesn't appear in Sun but this is it's Dex entry
>It appeared from the Ultra Wormhole. Witnesses observed it flying across the sky at high speed
They're literally worthless as lore evidence.
The 'Dex is the absolute canon the entire FRANCHISE holds itself to and the one constant Game Freak have kept the entire lifetime of their kiddy games shithead. If they go to the arse of putting it in the collectathon "congratulations" blurb and present it as empirically observed behaviours and study, it's a canon fact. Cry harder.
So what's the current version of the imagination theory anyway?
I don't think its changed too much, the Pokemon are still imagined beings but now the question is if it was Terapagos or Dokutaro who granted the professor's wish, and whether or not Terapagos is connected to the Dream World (or some other mystical realm like the one in the anime)
Timetravelbros... I'm sorry... think I'm gonna have to switch sides now...
>dokutaro's influence is shown with purple colored things
>master balls are purple
Wait, are we the baddies?
always have been
>Ability patches gives pokemon their hidden ability
>hidden abilities were introducing through the dream world and have been related to dreams and wishes every since
>The sprite for ability patches looks like Terapagos' eyes
We haven't had anything this retroactively lore breaking since Arceus was introduced.
Whys it look like the thing on poppys head?
>schizos try to explain away plot holes instead of answering them
Every time. They will then celebrate that there are actually no plot holes.
Sounds more like you just don't like the answers, anonymous.
Yes anon, it's an automated wish machine that runs off snapshots of the professors memory and it just so happened to stop pulling Raidon's after one killed it because reasons.
>w-w-w-w-w-w-well the AI just turned that part off!
Ok why didn't they say that part instead of claiming they could only find 2
>they lied about it!
Ok so how do we know the professor is dead if they lied
>UHH THEY WOULDN'T LIE ABOUT THAT
>Yes anon, it's an automated wish machine that runs off snapshots of the professors memory
Correct.
> and it just so happened to stop pulling Raidon's after one killed it because reasons.
Yeah, people have theorized that because Raidons "generate" energy in the form of summoning Electric Terrain or Harsh Sunlight, it takes much longer for the Terapagos to "produce" another Raidon. Every other Paradox simply needs to absorb energy while the Raidons produce it, more detail here
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We know that Tera crystals aren't boundless energy, as we can only Terastallize once before the Tera Orb needs to be recharged, so there are mechanics to Terapagos and its ability to grant wishes that we don't have the specifics to, but the general idea makes things fit.
>people have theorized
You mean (you) have once, in that previous post.
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I like that the imagination theory is just Pokemon the 3rd movie: electic boogaloo. Maybe they're too young and haven't seen the movie.
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Wish sisters, why are we samegayging so hard?
I’m expecting Dokutaro kino
It wanted to make a time machine because it knew you went back in time and caught Terapagos and wanted to stop you but unknowingly created the reason for it's own downfall
2 minutes in MS paint to catch some people up to speed.
library* since I can't spell
>have low IQ and poor reading comprehension
>have people explain to you the themes of the game revolving around desire/wishes and how the game very clearly calls out the odd nature of the events of the story
>so low IQ still don't get it
>call others low IQ with poor reading comp
time sissies... Please tell me you're pretending
I'm confused anon, what part of my post is incorrect? You know the timeline I provided is factually correct, right? You know context matters, right? The time that you gain knowledge will affect your perception of a situation or scenario. Does it bother you that you didn't know you could see hat information much sooner than when you became aware of it? Talk to me anon.
>You know context matters, right?
Context does matter low iq-kun, so how does reading the Occulture books before or after change the context of Arven calling out how little sense it makes that the expressly cryptid themed paradox Pokemon couldn't have existed before the "time machine" and AI that the professor was able to make after literally wishing for it in their diary. moron.
This. Each of the three main stories revolves around literally granting the wishes of the other main characters. the evil team is called "team star" for crying out loud
>paradox Pokemon couldn't have existed before the "time machine"
You're so close to understanding but your monkey brain doesn't want to accept the solution
>after literally wishing for it
I'll never get over how timegays say the game doesn't have a treasure/wish/desire theme but DOES have a time travel theme because...things happened in the past, or time is passing, leading us to the future.
I like that the game is quite literally your personal Treasure Hunt and you're trying to lump in your personal biases to sound correct.
>timegays say the game doesn't have a treasure/wish/desire theme
That has to be shitposting right? Nobody can play this game and come to that conclusion. Treasure is probably the second most used word in this game after pokemon, it's even in the name of the dlc
Of course he's shitposting.
What everyone tells him is that the past and future theme permeates throughout the entire generation, not that the game has one theme.
At this point I don't think anyone actually legit thinks its time travel, they're just farming (you)s
Note how the thread was much more chill till timegays appeared.
>Note how the thread was much more chill till timegays appeared.
By "chill" do you mean overly antagonistic?
>oh no theyre making fun of the morons who endlessly ruin these threads!
After skimming the beginning of the thread, I don't know if I'd call it chill, but it was less argumentative
>What speedreaders think what happened
ESL moment. Post discarded.
Neither of these have any substantial difference anon
The order that you receive information affects your perception of events.
>oh these are cryptids they're not real
>actually they are real
Versus
>these creatures are real
>actually these creatures are cryptids, they're not real
If you can't understand that, either you're in denial or I'm unable to help you.
I don't think the presentation of the events changes whichever theory is canon though, and neither theory is proved by either chain of events you're arguing
There could be a third "they are actually fake" or "they are actually real" added on the end of either of those perceptions after more information is given in the DLC. The game presents clearly contradicting evidence on purpose to make it confusing before it's clarified. That's really all you're saying and trying to make a point one way or the other using when the information is presented is ridiculous. At the end of the game Arven explicitly casts doubt on the paradox mons existing so by your logic that's the most accurate source of information since it occurs last?
Arven is questioning the order of events. He's saying if the paradox pokemon were brought to the present because of the time machine, how could they have been in Area Zero 200 years ago? That's called a causal loop anon. Are you unsure how those works or are you just vehemently denying that as a solution?
you don't know what a causal loop is.
Anon I think we're at the point where you're overconfident in your lack of knowledge.
you don't understand time travel tropes either.
Thank you for outing yourself as a dumb frick.
you spend 16 hours a day patrolling this board projecting your idiocy on pokemon lore autists.
I wish I had that much free time.
nta but you really are in every thread and it shows
But you do
>The game presents clearly contradicting evidence on purpose to make it confusing before it's clarified
That's the thing, it only presents "contradictory" evidence if you found Occulture late. Otherwise it's a blatant misdirect.
Why is the blatant misdirect still part of the story even after the "truth" has been revealed?
That's what you "occulture is just a red herring" morons don't understand.
There's 3 whole occulture editions that aren't in the game currently and they're guaranteed to come up in the dlc.
>Why is the blatant misdirect still part of the story even after the "truth" has been revealed?
They aren't. They've never been part of the story.
They just exist as random books that you can ignore that are never brought up at any point by any character in the game.
Hell you find the other set in the lighthouse in Arven's story, the story where you slowly find out everything in the book is real.
>That's what you "occulture is just a red herring" morons don't understand.
Anon, please stop embarrassing yourself because you don't even know what you're talking about right now. You're bringing up things that don't happen in game, ever.
>There's 3 whole occulture editions that aren't in the game currently and they're guaranteed to come up in the dlc.
Yes anon, because you know what else they did? They served to show the player that there are pages in the book that has full descriptions on each paradox.
If they add them to the game it literally won't change anything other than confirming that Heath ran into the paradox beasts and swords which was already hinted at with the combo mon at the end.
Come on, think before you post.
>They've never been part of the story
Terapagos was never part of the story either so I guess it will just be some random thing you can ignore also.
The pokemon that are described in them are confirmed to be part of the story, so they are 100% guaranteed to come up.
Hell, the very fact that the new paradoxes do not have dex entries all but directly confirms that we're not done with paradox pokemon.
>They served to show the player that there are pages in the book that has full descriptions on each paradox.
If you had ounce of media literacy you would understand that if this was the intent they would have allowed us to read these pages ourselves.
All the actual description that we have of paradoxes exclusively come from occulture and all the ones that do come from the book are all nothing-burgers like.
>Terapagos was never part of the story either
You're not being serious are you?
Not only is Terapagos mentioned in the area zero journals and the book itself it's crystals are the connecting element between The Way Home and Teal Mask.
>The pokemon that are described in them are confirmed to be part of the story, so they are 100% guaranteed to come up.
No one said that they aren't because they're literally required to for the paradox to work but that doesn't mean that they're going to go over their origins again when it's all about Terapagos and the expedition 200 years ago now. The last thing you want to do is muddle the narrative by going over something you've already gone over.
>the very fact that the new paradoxes do not have dex entries all but directly confirms that we're not done with paradox pokemon.
No, anon. They're simply a tool now, the story of the origin of the paradox pokemon is over.
>If you had ounce of media literacy you would understand that if this was the intent they would have allowed us to read these pages ourselves.
No. That's horrendous writing because it ruins the story reveal and now you just have the game telling you it's real instead of making you figure it out on your own. It's supposed to be a mystery, not an obvious signpost.
>All the actual description that we have of paradoxes exclusively come from occulture
Please pay attention. Occulture is based on the book, the physical descriptions and names originate from the book, everything else like being UFOs or from a billion years ago is made up.
The intent was for you to go.
>oh this can't be real it said its from a billion years ago and that's stupid!
>okay Arven had the book the whole time
>wait, those other books said it was based on this one
>does that mean all of that is true?
And then you go into Area Zero and figure out everything was real.
>If you had ounce of media literacy you would understand that if this was the intent they would have allowed us to read these pages ourselves.
And if you had an ounce of "media literacy" (not how you use that by the way) you would know that if you want to write a mystery you don't leave the reveal out in the open, you leave clues and red herrings.
>Why is the blatant misdirect still part of the story even after the "truth" has been revealed?
They were never part of the story, they were always just static objects you could always look at.
So just like Terapagos.
It's a crime that they never had these as their true forms
And then make some from the "future" side, just for fun theories to spawn
Fuc
Honestly, I'm fine with gen 8 coming up as little as possible.
Apparently Khu is walking back the PKHex feature.
Not surprising if that's true.
No he didn't
Hex feature officially deconfirmed
>anon lies in lore theory thread
It's so weird anons do this when you can just check twitter in 2 seconds. Also I hope it's the pokeball one, I've wanted that for forever
Why don't you gays read past the first post
I don't understand what this proves. Nothing in there says khu is lying about the pkhex feature, just that if it's the iv one it's not going to be super customizable.
Which means it's not PKHex. Stop doubling down and sucking his dick. He gets shit wrong all the time and he's backpedaling.
IIRC, he never said it was pkhex outright, that was something the "fans" ran with (as if Game Freak, who've spent literal years trying to get people to view their shit as real living creatures instead of data on a cart would have EVER implemented something as autistic and counter-lore as a fricking pokémon creation system when breeding is RIGHT there).
Anon, it's only going to be one of the options here
It's literally not a pkhex feature.
I don't understand why people can't just admit he bullshits about things. This happens every single time.
>catch terapagos
>he's a bro and lets us use his wish powers to turn a pokemon shiny or something
would be neat
Terapagos is Arceus' illegitimate child.
My theory is that it's gonna be Atlantis, which is a cross between the Dragon Palace from the Urashima Taro tale (hence the connection to Kitakami and the tale of Momo*taro*) and the Garden of Eden (hence all the references to "Paradise" in both the game and the anime, plus Kieran's and Carmine's obvious snake motif in their designs).
Paradox mons are from there, not the past/future. I think it's because time flows slower in Atlantis like in the Dragon Palace, which caused the civilization to develop hyper advanced tech, which is also why the metal plate found in Area Zero is completely indestructible even by modern tech. Pokémon either developed there differently, or they used that tech and the powers of Terapagos to genetically manipulate Pokémon to turn them either into weird dinosaurs in Scarlet or robots in Violet. This would also create another connection to Eden, because it'd be a "garden of creation", even if they don't create the Paradox mons out of thin air. I also think that this is why our Raidon is friendlier than every other paradox mon: it might be Heath's Cyclizar that got there somehow. Maybe it was friendlier towards humans before it was turned into Raidon in comparison to wild mons they used or something. The fact that all Paradox mons are said to be far more aggressive is definitely weird. It's either cause they were genetically manipulated like that on purpose, or are angered because they were forced to change against their will by humans.
Cont
Some other things that might hint towards this whole theory
>in the anime Lucius is told to have reached that "Paradise", yet no records of him about it exist even though he documented his whole adventure prior. Either something happened to him shortly after, or can't easily leave that place. Also, Terapagos seems to think he's still alive after all that time, which would be possible if time flows slower there
>both the "Terarium" and the professor wanting to harness the crystal's power to create their own paradise implies that either tera crystals or Terapagos itself have some sort of ability to terraform, so changing existing land into something else. This could also be possible for Pokémon
>Occulture, while obviously dubious in credibility, claims that Iron Bundle was built by an ancient civilization and that Sandy Shocks was a 10000 year old Magneton
>and the 10000 year old mural that showed that people highly revered Cyclizar. Would also explain why they made Miraidon/Koraidon, they wanted to honor it by making it extra powerful
>Dokutaro could be connected to all of this by representing the "forbidden fruit" in the Book of Genesis. Perhaps it used to reside in Atlantis, but was exiled from it for being evil or something. And maybe it's trying to get back
>the shit that Khu said about a pkhex feature, but at this point he's less credible than Occulture lol
There's probably a few other things but I can't remember right now.
Anyway, thoughts?