>The Lawful Evil usurper raises his heir to be Lawful Good

>The Lawful Evil usurper raises his heir to be Lawful Good
>He abdicates the throne to his heir and kills himself after taking over
>Now his descendants are better off by being the royalty of society while also being immune to getting smited by Paladins

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Ha! I am immune to being smited!"
    >but the swords worked anyway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Killing a Lawful Good person would of course make a Paladin fall.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        only if the Paladin doesn't have just cause to do so
        If a Lawful Good person is the ruler of a regime of tyranny and evil, then the Paladin is fully justified in killing them. Hell, Paladins are justified just to kill adherents of gods that they don't worship.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Lawful Good person in this case would not be the ruler of a regime of tyranny and evil

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            only if the Paladin doesn't have just cause to do so
            If a Lawful Good person is the ruler of a regime of tyranny and evil, then the Paladin is fully justified in killing them. Hell, Paladins are justified just to kill adherents of gods that they don't worship.

            The LG person after being installed as a ruler of the regime of tyranny and evil would immediately start working on solving the issues of the tyranny and evil. If anything, in the actual game scenario, he would be the quest giver sending off the Paladin and the party to help him fix the mess he inherited, one cursed dungeon at time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >be me
        >be Oath of Ancients paladin
        >kill lawful good king because he's not as pretty as his sister, the next in line
        >consider the kingdom prettier now
        >my oath has been upheld

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry, only ad&d Paladins are Paladins. Onions 5e paladins are not paladins, they're just shitty clerics. The defining feature of Paladins is being a chivalrous LG human

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The defining feature of Paladins is being a chivalrous LG human
            Depends on the setting

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hi, Trinity. Still running your shitty blog?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Lawf*yawn*ul E*zzzZZZZzzzzz*
    Oh sorry I feel asleep just reading that generic fantasy crap.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Smaugchad

    >The third in the line of succession is Lawful Neutral / Indifferent
    >Another Lawful Evil dude usurps him
    >Repeat ad infinitum
    >Welcome to Europe

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Lawful Evil emperor raises his heir to be Neutral Evil so there's a rebellion against him
    >He abdicates the throne to his heir and goes into seclusion
    >He is also secretly the Evil Lawful usurper who leads the rebellion so his heir is never overthrown as he controls the opposition
    >Is also being immune to getting smited by Paladins in his zone of invulnerability and illusions

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be evil
    >convoluted plan ultimately creates good kingdom
    Even for a allignment spam this is pretty retarded. Glad im not autistic enough to actually put any effort into a reply

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's simple.
      >Be peasant farmer
      >Want your family to have the best life possible
      >The best life possible is being wealthy royals
      >But you can't overthrow the royal family and be good because the royal family is Lawful Good
      >So you have to become evil in order to become king so that your family can have a better life

      • 2 weeks ago
        Smaugchad

        Ganker pathologically denies that putting your family over the greater good is Evil.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ganker might, but D&D does not.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Smaugchad

            Oh I agree but good luck making Anon understand it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The greater good is so subjective and vague it can be abused by anyone for virtually any purpose. You're not obligated to sacrifice yourself for the sake of strangers who won't do the same for you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So a Paladin can freely murder, lie, enslave, torture, betray, and plunge his nation into chaos so long as its for the sake of his own family.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Moral deconstruction for amoral purpose.

            Nothing is more important than survival, no virtue, ideology, moral system, religion, or cultural tradition is as important let alone more important, than ensuring the survival of yourself or your own group. If they do not survive, all those other things become wholly irrelevant. It does not matter how virtuous your culture was, how many great poets or artists your people produced, if you are all fucking dead. Anything and everything that can and has to be done in order to ensure survival, must be done even if it blackens your peoples' name and reputation forever. Nobody will applaud the moral greatness of a dead people.

            Open assertion of amorality.

            Also D&D settings have a universal moral compass. Which, by convention, is often referred to as "objective morality". I know, it's a contradiction in terms and it's based on the morality of the DM, but for all in-game purposes it's still true, the universe will label you as evil whether you like it or not.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Counterpoint: If my family is the only one that can truly uphold goodness and it dies out, then good itself dies therefore our survival IS the greater good.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Disgust.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nothing is more important than survival, no virtue, ideology, moral system, religion, or cultural tradition is as important let alone more important, than ensuring the survival of yourself or your own group. If they do not survive, all those other things become wholly irrelevant. It does not matter how virtuous your culture was, how many great poets or artists your people produced, if you are all fucking dead. Anything and everything that can and has to be done in order to ensure survival, must be done even if it blackens your peoples' name and reputation forever. Nobody will applaud the moral greatness of a dead people.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the man was lawful to this extent, it's not an unreasonable assumption that in spite of being evil, he legitimately wanted to make things better because otherwise he would've done something else. Not necessarily, but it's possible. Paladins would already judge him as a complex case beforehand.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's entirely possible he just wanted to put his family in a higher status in society and then bug out before paladins could overthrow him and thus ruin his plans to set up a new dynasty

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be lawful evil usurper
    >Turn your lands into hellhole full of suffering and despair
    >One day declare that you abdicate and give the throne to a paladin order
    >Laugh at the paladins as they fall, one after another trying to fix the mess you made, while you chill in tropical paradise with cute brown elf girls

    Let's see if the goody goodies can do something else than smite evil. Let's see how popular and good they will be once they are accountable for their actions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aren't all proper paladins accountable? That's kinda the whole point. They're to act noble in all things.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >He abdicates the throne to his heir and kills himself after taking over

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As long as he's on the throne, Paladins will have be able to come, dethrone and smite him, and give the throne to someone else.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's retarded. You're retarded.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why not employ a royal guard of lawful neutral fighters.
        It's not like any Paladin can just walk up to the throne.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay but why would he kill himself after abdicating

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s the only way to atone for what he’s done to get his family on the throne in the first place

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He didn't do anything, his father did all that, and then for some reason his kids are going to inherit all his power and not kill themselves. The suicide does nothing. This is a very dumb thread.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh wait, I now appreciate that the Lawful Evil guy is the guy who abdicates and kills himself, not the Lawful Good son. Killing himself still doesn't do anything though, and the heirs being Good doesn't mean they're going to be fit to rule, much less that they're going to forge a good society out of an evil regime.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well the monarchical system was designed to benefit the people in charge anyways, the heirs being potentially unfit to rule doesn’t really matter since the evil guy only wanted his family to have a better life anyways, and since they’re still Lawful Goid regardless of competency they can’t be smited

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im sorry, this is my paladin. Why should he not smite this guys?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Glad they did away with dogshit alignment in PF2e.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lawful Evil usurper over throws the tyrannical lords of old and takes over the kingdom himself
    >Actually runs the kingdom fairly because the 'evil' aspect of his lawful evil alignment is he's just a rude dick to everyone

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now imagine how historians would be forced to whitewash the evil ruler as being good to fit the narrative that the good ruler didnt come from an asshole.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >viking coming to raid and burn home town
    >demon offers you power to stop them in exchange for your soul, and 10 innocent lives
    >you agree and repel the invasion, saving 100s
    >you fuck off to the mountains afterward

    Alignment systems are kind of gay. They should be loose guidelines for rp imo, not concrete forces in the world unless we are talking actaul demons and angels. Aside from that you can have magic items that reject someone with too much sin on their hands and shit.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kill them all and let god sort it out.

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