>Barely did anything >Due to Benedikta dying so early we didn't even see much interactions with him >He didn't launch a full invasion on the mainland and go nuts like Genghis Khan or some shit
Booooooring, what a waste of a warrior king character.
He should've been the main antagonist and Ultima should've never appeared honestly. Make him use Clive in order to destroy crystal for his grand scheme until we learn it at the end or something. His boss fight was best in the game too.
Odin could've been used for Barnabas' placement instead. Final fight should be 1v1 between Clive and Barnabas rather than Ifrit and Odin though. No one remembers Mundus or Arkham boss fights for example, everyone remembers Nelo Angelo and Vergil because it's cool to see fighting against a mirror version of the protagonist or someone with similar power levels to him.
To be fair, by the time they switch over to the ultimate storyline Clive has 9/11ed every country on the continent and ruined the land value from a geopolitics standpoint. There isn't really a well defined government structure for regional politics to exist in as soon as you go after Barnabus.
>Clive and friends just walk in and destroy the main source of continental strength and their is no one there to stop him
Did I miss something? I know there was a on going war or some shit, but you would think there would be some security.
I think what happened is: the whole team went and watched GoT, then wrote the early part of the game together with it fresh in their minds. That's the part up to Cid's death. As development went on and on they just kind of forgot that original GoT concept and anime and jrpg schlock crept into the writing. By the time you get to the end the original intention is all but forgotten and its full blown shonen. It's a classic sign the game got re-written over the years.
That is probably it. Games are hard to make, falling back on what they know instead of swallowing their pride and hiring grr martin..er, idk if that would help or hinder...
On further inspection what political intrigue did we even see?
In Dhalmekia there was Kupka Vs everyone else
Sanbreque puppet king and his crazy b***h Vs everyone else
Waloed was seemingly commanded by Barnabas and his mirage entity, I genuinely have no idea how this country even functioned
The first scenes in the game baits you into thinking there will be factionalism and political intrigue.
Iron Kingdom collapses into civil war and that's the last you ever heard of them.
Sanbreques entire political leadership gets decapitated and Rosaria doesn't even declare independence despite 20 years of gorilla warfare.
There are some shadowy dealings here and there and Anabella's whole thing, but aside from that, there's not much in the way of political intrigue. The various kingdoms and the empire are about as well-defined as the kingdoms of FF4-6. They exist primarily as places that the player goes to to do stuff, and their entire political system can collapse over the course of a single boss fight.
Pretty disappointing how quickly everything goes to shit and how little worldbuilding there really is. Wonder if we'll ever get another FF like 12 where it actually feels like the devs are passionate about the setting itself and don't just view it as a place to stage their virtual fireworks shows.
Or they got to that point in the game that every FF reaches where they have to have the mandated "plot twist that makes everything before it irrelevant."
It's the same as every Matsuno plot before. The early game sets up some grand political plot only for the game to devolve into demons, gods and other shit.
The demo really made me believe the game would have worthwhile political intrigue and we didn't get any of that at all. I still think it's an 8/10 game but it could have been so much better than it was.
Ultima was literally in the prologue/ Demo.
Proof that most people these days who play story games are ADHD, Zoomer brained morons who need everything explaining to them, spoonfed in small bite sized chunks or they won't understand.
Most people don't even know that Clive could only ever fully prime when a projection of Ultima was present to allow it. He only finally gets the ability in the last fight with Joshua's powers when their flames are finally his own. Also, Shadow fight wasn't some introspection bullshit, just Ultima fricking with Clive.
This, whenever Ultima was shown it wasn't just for "ooo spooky hooded man" it was for a reason.
Time and again Ultima showed he had the capability of being able to force Clive to turn into Ifrit or to stop from and take away his ability, yet I've seen people leave slack jawed comments saying >How could Clive turn into Ifrit one moment but not in this moment it makes no sense
How people can't grasp this after going through the Interdimensional Rift and have him spell out that he has been feeding and nursing you this entire time, then stops you mid-prime in the next interaction.
>it was like they hit the eject button on writing a cool political plot and went to the most lazy derivative anime plot possible
this is literally every single ivalice game and yoshiP is a huge matsuno fanboy
>Series
No it's just Square-Enix that are reactive morons >Oh shit open world games are doing great, we have to have that in XV >Oh shit, there's this nu blackploitation fad, Forspokens the result >Oh shit, Battle Royales we get First Soldier
Etc etc
They had been doing that with FF since the start. FF games were imitating whatever was popular in Hollywood movies and anime. It just escalated with FF12 and on.
>VI?
Obviously Star Wars. But FFII and XII and others had the same inspiration. >VII?
Lots of sources. But these were more anime than Hollywood. Stuff like Akira and Eva were the big inspiration for VII. >XI?
I didn't mention XI. And it's only one of two FF games I never played so no idea. >X?
Final Fantasy VIII and Chrono Cross.
X was its own creative surge of inspiration, nobody but X and KH were rocking out the beach boys adventure game before or after. Frick, we need another Mediterranean/Chinese hybrid RPG asap.
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Anonymous
>nobody but X and KH were rocking out the beach boys adventure game before or after.
Again...Chrono Cross did it. >Frick, we need another Mediterranean/Chinese hybrid RPG asap.
Play Suikoden. It did this even better than FF did.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Frick, we need another Mediterranean/Chinese hybrid RPG asap.
Final Fantasy 10 is more Indonesia meets Esthar.
>Eva
Eh, Eva probably didn't have much influence on VII's development tbdesu
Started airing in October 1995 and FFVII was already deep in development by then
Beyond that, I can't see much Eva influence in VII
Nearly all the mecha in FFVII are Gundam-inspired and Cloud deals with completely different psychological issues than Shinji
Xenogears has more in common with Eva than FFVII and even that comparison requires a lot of stretching
I can definitely see Akira being a potential influence though
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Anonymous
>Beyond that, I can't see much Eva influence in VII
There's endless visual influence. From the use of imagery and tone to just a general Anno style of framing some scenes. But beyond that, there's also some very obvious similarities to Jenova and Adam/Lillith in Eva. And the lifestream to the LCL of Eva. The sharp tern in how how cutscenes began to be handled with VII. And many other things.
Besides this, we know the core story of FF7 was green lit after Eva. As there's a famous story that the creators of Xenogears had originally pitched their concept to be FF7. It got rejected. But they were quite open about how their idea was heavily inspired by Eva. So it had to have come out at least a little after Eva was airing. Did this influence the development of FF7? Can't really confirm that. But even if Takahashi himself hadn't contributed the Eva like ideas to FF7, I think it's clear FF7 had them. Someone on the team probably did. And really, it's not a crime to take influence.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon, but is funny that both, Eva and FFVII got remakes that are actually sequels
9 months ago
Anonymous
They were never going to be able to repeat the magic of the original. So might as well make a sequel. The irony is they made sequels that gave the finger to the fans, which ultimately was even worse than just doing a remake.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I can't find it now but there was a post somewhere that cited examples from VII's pre-rendered assets (among other things) as part of a "third wave" of Westernized graphic design and typography, because apparently even that left an impression on the domestic market.
i still don't get why that one ultima tried to possess clive early before he had absorbed the eikons
and also wonder why the other 11/12 ultima's didn't try to do the same thing again
>Demo ends >Fast forward >Clive is now a slave warrior >Wow, would've been cool to see some of his mercenary life >oh btw look it's Jill >oh and hey here's your dog lmao >so uh wanna come to my hangout?
The plot collapsed as soon as the demo ended. Game sucked.
>We didn't even take part in one real military skirmish as young Clive >Story just snipes Rosaria and that's it.
I bet they didn't do it because the hardware would have collapsed to sub 20fps if they needed to rended a real battlefield.
Just finished it.
Game of the year 2023. >I love you, Jill.
I almost teared up.
Best FF since X, and I consider XVI a somewhat spiritual successor to Ashura's Wrath with the insane QTE eikon fights.
Loved them. Jill's not quite Best Girl material but she's good.
>Game of the year 2023
Why? This was my first ff since 10. This game sucked ass and was boring as frick.
Lots of reasons, the characters and world worked for me, I liked the light political shit with this magical/summoning intrigue influencing everything, the combat was easy and fun because Clive is OP AS SHIT but that's fine, especially for a game on focused on flashy, QTE-heavy cinematic battles instead of skill. Torgal's great and it had enough FF fanservice without going overboard.
Even the boring ass sidequests sort of worked, because chatting up the townspeople always gave a little perspective on recent events and the living situation in the region.
I was more than ready for the game to be over by the end but it was a great ride.
Not that guy, but it is the only game released this year that I could stand finishing, let alone feel shit when I ran out of all the content. The classification is a subjective opinion however, so you are entitled to yours.
I’m glad you liked it but I thought it was mostly a slog. The only positive thing I have to see about it is the OST. Eikon battles were a major let down and was mostly just QTE garbage. It’s like they had no clue how to fill in the gaps between the boss fights either.
>GOTY 2023
I feel the same, the ending left me feeling fulfilled but strangely wanting more, it told a complete story but I want to see more of the World, more of these characters. I think that's a mark of a good game and story telling.
The relationship between Clive and Joshua, it's very touching if you have brothers of your own.
Truth. I even browsed the character relationship charts and Vivian's lessons, stuff I normally totally ignore in most games.
And they let you pet the fricking dog.
That's immediate bonus points in my book. If you give me a dog in a game, let me pet the damn dog.
>EU and AU hours ff16 thread is chill, talking about the game, about wanting to frick Jill, about possibilities for future DLC >NA hours, full of doomposting, bait posters, troll posters.
Are there are white people left in America or was it taken over by Mexicans and Latin America? All that seems to come out of that region now is Third World tier takes.
It was multiple times, Drakes Fang was under the control of Rosia until the Empire betrayed Elwin.
It was a piss Ant little rock full of backward people until it got lucky and took advantage of the chaos from the Sanbreque Empire's betrayal, invaded Rosia, kidnapped Jill and a bunch of other women, raped Jill raped, those other women and before Jill was about to be raped to death her Eikonic powers awoke, and she became useful to the Iron Kingdom. She had the power to decimate them but was made to be a puppet on strings through her empathy for her country women who were held hostage (and raped).
The Duchy would be the only ones who would care to. The prior Phoenix died having used his power to defeat the Northern Kingdoms dominant of Shiva. They didn't get another Phoenix until Joshua years and years later. Elwin was busy uniting/conquering what remained of the North with the Rosarian armies. Both sides had no dominant for this part so their weren't enough resources to take back an island fortress. They would have got rolled had Phoenix Gate not happened since they finally had a dominant that could be taught to prime.
Every time someone says something like this it is because they just hated the plot in general or they fundamentally misunderstood major plot points in 16.
The plot collapsed when it was revealed that Joshua survived. >haha what if we put out a demo with a gutpunch of an emotional climax but then invalidate it just hours into the full game
frick you CBU3
>Joshua seals Ultima into his heart >”Oh shit they’re probably gonna have Ultima take control of his body and for the final boss you have to kill Joshua for real this time” >Later it’s revealed Ultima’s kinda just fricking around in the real world despite all that
Ultima is both a race and a singular entity.
Joshua sealed that Ultima as it was going to frick with Clive, Joshua was unaware until they reached Ash and saw the full Mural in the Castle Dungeon, that there was more than one Ultima of what Ultima's true form was.
https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fantasy-review-16-easy-to-like-hard-to-adore >Leaving aside the fact that there were Black and brown people in medieval Europe, this justification rings hollow given that several locations take open inspiration from north Africa and the Middle East, with towns that, for example, riff on Islamic architectural traditions and attire, but are predominantly or exclusively populated by anglophone white people
We all saw this shit already play out with Kingdom come deliverance.
The game features historical minorities such as the Cumans but, it all just came down to why there isn't some black dude in some bumfrick hamlet in central Europe.
this shit is worse than PS2 games
i have no faith in this shit company anymore, still gonna buy FFVII Rebirth and KH4 though
other devs still make good game atleast
>People are going to be mad but, we gotta keep going >Destroying a crystal sends a country into massive economic decline and turbulence >We don't see anyone genuinely get mad at Clive & Co for this
Hell we even barely see any state actors( except Kupka and he's not really doing it for that purpose) react to this group that's running around fricking up the established works order. moronic.
>We don't see anyone genuinely get mad at Clive & Co for this
They're considered death row outlaws by everyone who is not Cid's ally. Some Stockholm syndrome bearers even tried blaming Clive for "meddling" with their lives after the time skip.
the whole "cid the outlaw the most wanted man in valisthea" not doing anything to hide himself and just walking around openly after the first timeskip cutscene was also strange
there weren't even any wanted posters for him
The game shit itself with Titan final battle theme >Muh sonic reference
Yes, but at least put some music that fit the moment, that theme was slow as frick
>The moment Ultima takes the main stage the games plot collapses
It really doesn't, you have to be a brainlet to think this. It just moves on from the plot about the kingdoms to the real overarching threat now that all the kingdoms have imploded and there's only one real enemy left.
i'm not the only one who thinks the scaling of valisthea is really wack and all over the place right?
the few cutscenes and stages that takes place in the cities are very big as one would expect
but then there are the villages and the continent areas that are really small despite making up much of the land in the world map
i thought the open zones would be like the ones from ff14's eorzea, where there are multiple different zones per continent, instead it feels like it's around the same size as 15
>What if we returned to the low stakes people being game of thrones style political buttholes inciting wars again like people want?*
>*but then we descent into vague ancient alien horseshit halfway through after killing off every interesting character on the cast and having nothing left to carry the second half.
I think the issue is that they really don't want Clyde to gut his mother like a fish. I mean, she was a tremendous b***h, but hardly good at being a final enemy. It's why she goes crazy and kills herself.
The damage is done with the main story
the most i can hope for, is them doing a prequel dlc starring cid, to expand on all the dominants(especially benedikta and barnabus) and kingdoms
>Barely did anything
>Due to Benedikta dying so early we didn't even see much interactions with him
>He didn't launch a full invasion on the mainland and go nuts like Genghis Khan or some shit
Booooooring, what a waste of a warrior king character.
He should've been the main antagonist and Ultima should've never appeared honestly. Make him use Clive in order to destroy crystal for his grand scheme until we learn it at the end or something. His boss fight was best in the game too.
>Odin as the final boss
>Have some giga Odin final boss fight
If only...
Odin could've been used for Barnabas' placement instead. Final fight should be 1v1 between Clive and Barnabas rather than Ifrit and Odin though. No one remembers Mundus or Arkham boss fights for example, everyone remembers Nelo Angelo and Vergil because it's cool to see fighting against a mirror version of the protagonist or someone with similar power levels to him.
>Bro this is a FF, it has to end with killing god xddd
I fricking hate this franchise.
it was like they hit the eject button on writing a cool political plot and went to the most lazy derivative anime plot possible
I think covid absolutely gutted this game.in general. Check out the soundtrack, it has unused city themes for every major kingdom.
To be fair, by the time they switch over to the ultimate storyline Clive has 9/11ed every country on the continent and ruined the land value from a geopolitics standpoint. There isn't really a well defined government structure for regional politics to exist in as soon as you go after Barnabus.
>Clive and friends just walk in and destroy the main source of continental strength and their is no one there to stop him
Did I miss something? I know there was a on going war or some shit, but you would think there would be some security.
Outside of Ultima, there was noone with any real ambitions of their own.
Kupka wanted a quiet life with his girlfriend
I think what happened is: the whole team went and watched GoT, then wrote the early part of the game together with it fresh in their minds. That's the part up to Cid's death. As development went on and on they just kind of forgot that original GoT concept and anime and jrpg schlock crept into the writing. By the time you get to the end the original intention is all but forgotten and its full blown shonen. It's a classic sign the game got re-written over the years.
That is probably it. Games are hard to make, falling back on what they know instead of swallowing their pride and hiring grr martin..er, idk if that would help or hinder...
On further inspection what political intrigue did we even see?
In Dhalmekia there was Kupka Vs everyone else
Sanbreque puppet king and his crazy b***h Vs everyone else
Waloed was seemingly commanded by Barnabas and his mirage entity, I genuinely have no idea how this country even functioned
The first scenes in the game baits you into thinking there will be factionalism and political intrigue.
Iron Kingdom collapses into civil war and that's the last you ever heard of them.
Sanbreques entire political leadership gets decapitated and Rosaria doesn't even declare independence despite 20 years of gorilla warfare.
There are some shadowy dealings here and there and Anabella's whole thing, but aside from that, there's not much in the way of political intrigue. The various kingdoms and the empire are about as well-defined as the kingdoms of FF4-6. They exist primarily as places that the player goes to to do stuff, and their entire political system can collapse over the course of a single boss fight.
Pretty disappointing how quickly everything goes to shit and how little worldbuilding there really is. Wonder if we'll ever get another FF like 12 where it actually feels like the devs are passionate about the setting itself and don't just view it as a place to stage their virtual fireworks shows.
Or they got to that point in the game that every FF reaches where they have to have the mandated "plot twist that makes everything before it irrelevant."
Ultima isn't a plot twist though, he appears from the beginning of the game. He's not some le outta nowhere villain like other FFs
It's the same as every Matsuno plot before. The early game sets up some grand political plot only for the game to devolve into demons, gods and other shit.
A satanic corrupt church seeking to resurrect their fake prophet "Ultima" was a better than FFXVIs Ultima
Just saying
I don't disagree
The demo really made me believe the game would have worthwhile political intrigue and we didn't get any of that at all. I still think it's an 8/10 game but it could have been so much better than it was.
Ultima was literally in the prologue/ Demo.
Proof that most people these days who play story games are ADHD, Zoomer brained morons who need everything explaining to them, spoonfed in small bite sized chunks or they won't understand.
Do you think this anon felt smart typing this, like he suddenly thinks he justified every aspect of FF16 being trash.
>Too low iq to understand what takes the main act means
Most people don't even know that Clive could only ever fully prime when a projection of Ultima was present to allow it. He only finally gets the ability in the last fight with Joshua's powers when their flames are finally his own. Also, Shadow fight wasn't some introspection bullshit, just Ultima fricking with Clive.
This, whenever Ultima was shown it wasn't just for "ooo spooky hooded man" it was for a reason.
Time and again Ultima showed he had the capability of being able to force Clive to turn into Ifrit or to stop from and take away his ability, yet I've seen people leave slack jawed comments saying
>How could Clive turn into Ifrit one moment but not in this moment it makes no sense
How people can't grasp this after going through the Interdimensional Rift and have him spell out that he has been feeding and nursing you this entire time, then stops you mid-prime in the next interaction.
Your webm frustrates me, what is wrong with that girl?
she's probably injested a wienertail of SSRIs that would kill a horse
>it was like they hit the eject button on writing a cool political plot and went to the most lazy derivative anime plot possible
this is literally every single ivalice game and yoshiP is a huge matsuno fanboy
>>The moment Ultima takes the main stage the games plot collapses
that's like 90% into the game, I liked it
Beating Bahamut was like 60% of the way into the game
and ? the focus was still destroying the mothercrystals
Ultima is always the most least interesting parts of these games.
The devs literally cannot help themselves, OP. This is a cursed series.
>Series
No it's just Square-Enix that are reactive morons
>Oh shit open world games are doing great, we have to have that in XV
>Oh shit, there's this nu blackploitation fad, Forspokens the result
>Oh shit, Battle Royales we get First Soldier
Etc etc
They had been doing that with FF since the start. FF games were imitating whatever was popular in Hollywood movies and anime. It just escalated with FF12 and on.
Oh really? Do you know what inspire VI? VII? XI? X?
>VI?
Obviously Star Wars. But FFII and XII and others had the same inspiration.
>VII?
Lots of sources. But these were more anime than Hollywood. Stuff like Akira and Eva were the big inspiration for VII.
>XI?
I didn't mention XI. And it's only one of two FF games I never played so no idea.
>X?
Final Fantasy VIII and Chrono Cross.
X was its own creative surge of inspiration, nobody but X and KH were rocking out the beach boys adventure game before or after. Frick, we need another Mediterranean/Chinese hybrid RPG asap.
>nobody but X and KH were rocking out the beach boys adventure game before or after.
Again...Chrono Cross did it.
>Frick, we need another Mediterranean/Chinese hybrid RPG asap.
Play Suikoden. It did this even better than FF did.
>Frick, we need another Mediterranean/Chinese hybrid RPG asap.
Final Fantasy 10 is more Indonesia meets Esthar.
>Eva
Eh, Eva probably didn't have much influence on VII's development tbdesu
Started airing in October 1995 and FFVII was already deep in development by then
Beyond that, I can't see much Eva influence in VII
Nearly all the mecha in FFVII are Gundam-inspired and Cloud deals with completely different psychological issues than Shinji
Xenogears has more in common with Eva than FFVII and even that comparison requires a lot of stretching
I can definitely see Akira being a potential influence though
>Beyond that, I can't see much Eva influence in VII
There's endless visual influence. From the use of imagery and tone to just a general Anno style of framing some scenes. But beyond that, there's also some very obvious similarities to Jenova and Adam/Lillith in Eva. And the lifestream to the LCL of Eva. The sharp tern in how how cutscenes began to be handled with VII. And many other things.
Besides this, we know the core story of FF7 was green lit after Eva. As there's a famous story that the creators of Xenogears had originally pitched their concept to be FF7. It got rejected. But they were quite open about how their idea was heavily inspired by Eva. So it had to have come out at least a little after Eva was airing. Did this influence the development of FF7? Can't really confirm that. But even if Takahashi himself hadn't contributed the Eva like ideas to FF7, I think it's clear FF7 had them. Someone on the team probably did. And really, it's not a crime to take influence.
Not that anon, but is funny that both, Eva and FFVII got remakes that are actually sequels
They were never going to be able to repeat the magic of the original. So might as well make a sequel. The irony is they made sequels that gave the finger to the fans, which ultimately was even worse than just doing a remake.
I can't find it now but there was a post somewhere that cited examples from VII's pre-rendered assets (among other things) as part of a "third wave" of Westernized graphic design and typography, because apparently even that left an impression on the domestic market.
>The moment Ultima takes the main stage the games plot collapses
Sounds just like Final Fantasy 14.
The plot collapsed after the prologue anon
>Joshua has the power to cage ultima in his heart
>Ultima still goes around the world doing what he wants
What is wrong with Japanese writers?
>person who didn’t play the game
That was just 1/12 of Ultima or his people. I don't know. The story was gay.
i still don't get why that one ultima tried to possess clive early before he had absorbed the eikons
and also wonder why the other 11/12 ultima's didn't try to do the same thing again
>Demo ends
>Fast forward
>Clive is now a slave warrior
>Wow, would've been cool to see some of his mercenary life
>oh btw look it's Jill
>oh and hey here's your dog lmao
>so uh wanna come to my hangout?
The plot collapsed as soon as the demo ended. Game sucked.
>We didn't even take part in one real military skirmish as young Clive
>Story just snipes Rosaria and that's it.
I bet they didn't do it because the hardware would have collapsed to sub 20fps if they needed to rended a real battlefield.
The whole game felt on rails because there was ZERO reason to explore any of the more open hub areas.
FFVIIIs liberation of Dollet is one the most kino moments in FF.
Fricking Kino
This should have been the opening for the game.
He took the stage when he triggered your transformation into Ifrit in the prologue.
Just finished it.
Game of the year 2023.
>I love you, Jill.
I almost teared up.
Best FF since X, and I consider XVI a somewhat spiritual successor to Ashura's Wrath with the insane QTE eikon fights.
Loved them. Jill's not quite Best Girl material but she's good.
Lots of reasons, the characters and world worked for me, I liked the light political shit with this magical/summoning intrigue influencing everything, the combat was easy and fun because Clive is OP AS SHIT but that's fine, especially for a game on focused on flashy, QTE-heavy cinematic battles instead of skill. Torgal's great and it had enough FF fanservice without going overboard.
Even the boring ass sidequests sort of worked, because chatting up the townspeople always gave a little perspective on recent events and the living situation in the region.
I was more than ready for the game to be over by the end but it was a great ride.
>tfw no gf
>Game of the year 2023
Why? This was my first ff since 10. This game sucked ass and was boring as frick.
Not that guy, but it is the only game released this year that I could stand finishing, let alone feel shit when I ran out of all the content. The classification is a subjective opinion however, so you are entitled to yours.
I’m glad you liked it but I thought it was mostly a slog. The only positive thing I have to see about it is the OST. Eikon battles were a major let down and was mostly just QTE garbage. It’s like they had no clue how to fill in the gaps between the boss fights either.
>GOTY 2023
I feel the same, the ending left me feeling fulfilled but strangely wanting more, it told a complete story but I want to see more of the World, more of these characters. I think that's a mark of a good game and story telling.
The relationship between Clive and Joshua, it's very touching if you have brothers of your own.
Truth. I even browsed the character relationship charts and Vivian's lessons, stuff I normally totally ignore in most games.
And they let you pet the fricking dog.
That's immediate bonus points in my book. If you give me a dog in a game, let me pet the damn dog.
I don’t know anyone that still thinks this is game of the year with bg3, ac6 and starfield coming out. Might not even be top 5 at the end of the year
>EU and AU hours ff16 thread is chill, talking about the game, about wanting to frick Jill, about possibilities for future DLC
>NA hours, full of doomposting, bait posters, troll posters.
Are there are white people left in America or was it taken over by Mexicans and Latin America? All that seems to come out of that region now is Third World tier takes.
MMO devs = MMO quality = Do not Play
This equation explains everything relating to "FF" XVI.
Give me a full open game like Warband playing as Hugo with major dhalmekian kingdom management features
>Iron Kingdom
>Had no eikon prior to Jill
Can someone please explain to me how this kingdom wasn't annexed or turned into a vassal?
It was multiple times, Drakes Fang was under the control of Rosia until the Empire betrayed Elwin.
It was a piss Ant little rock full of backward people until it got lucky and took advantage of the chaos from the Sanbreque Empire's betrayal, invaded Rosia, kidnapped Jill and a bunch of other women, raped Jill raped, those other women and before Jill was about to be raped to death her Eikonic powers awoke, and she became useful to the Iron Kingdom. She had the power to decimate them but was made to be a puppet on strings through her empathy for her country women who were held hostage (and raped).
The Duchy would be the only ones who would care to. The prior Phoenix died having used his power to defeat the Northern Kingdoms dominant of Shiva. They didn't get another Phoenix until Joshua years and years later. Elwin was busy uniting/conquering what remained of the North with the Rosarian armies. Both sides had no dominant for this part so their weren't enough resources to take back an island fortress. They would have got rolled had Phoenix Gate not happened since they finally had a dominant that could be taught to prime.
Game would have been better if you played as torgal
The plot eventually collapses in damn near every square Enix game since before 9/11
Every time someone says something like this it is because they just hated the plot in general or they fundamentally misunderstood major plot points in 16.
This. It's basically a staple of the FF series to have a stupid plot twist that crashes the plot halfway through.
The plot collapsed when it was revealed that Joshua survived.
>haha what if we put out a demo with a gutpunch of an emotional climax but then invalidate it just hours into the full game
frick you CBU3
>Joshua seals Ultima into his heart
>”Oh shit they’re probably gonna have Ultima take control of his body and for the final boss you have to kill Joshua for real this time”
>Later it’s revealed Ultima’s kinda just fricking around in the real world despite all that
Ultima is both a race and a singular entity.
Joshua sealed that Ultima as it was going to frick with Clive, Joshua was unaware until they reached Ash and saw the full Mural in the Castle Dungeon, that there was more than one Ultima of what Ultima's true form was.
https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fantasy-review-16-easy-to-like-hard-to-adore
>Leaving aside the fact that there were Black and brown people in medieval Europe, this justification rings hollow given that several locations take open inspiration from north Africa and the Middle East, with towns that, for example, riff on Islamic architectural traditions and attire, but are predominantly or exclusively populated by anglophone white people
Imagine getting filtered by Ottoman Rumelia
>Leaving aside the fact that there were Black and brown people in medieval Europe
Why do these people have such a rock hard wiener for none whites?
We all saw this shit already play out with Kingdom come deliverance.
The game features historical minorities such as the Cumans but, it all just came down to why there isn't some black dude in some bumfrick hamlet in central Europe.
*Artema
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this shit is worse than PS2 games
i have no faith in this shit company anymore, still gonna buy FFVII Rebirth and KH4 though
other devs still make good game atleast
The best fights (Titan, Bahamut) and scenes (sex with Jill) happened after the Ultima reveal though.
>People are going to be mad but, we gotta keep going
>Destroying a crystal sends a country into massive economic decline and turbulence
>We don't see anyone genuinely get mad at Clive & Co for this
Hell we even barely see any state actors( except Kupka and he's not really doing it for that purpose) react to this group that's running around fricking up the established works order. moronic.
>We don't see anyone genuinely get mad at Clive & Co for this
They're considered death row outlaws by everyone who is not Cid's ally. Some Stockholm syndrome bearers even tried blaming Clive for "meddling" with their lives after the time skip.
the whole "cid the outlaw the most wanted man in valisthea" not doing anything to hide himself and just walking around openly after the first timeskip cutscene was also strange
there weren't even any wanted posters for him
The game shit itself with Titan final battle theme
>Muh sonic reference
Yes, but at least put some music that fit the moment, that theme was slow as frick
>The moment Ultima takes the main stage the games plot collapses
It really doesn't, you have to be a brainlet to think this. It just moves on from the plot about the kingdoms to the real overarching threat now that all the kingdoms have imploded and there's only one real enemy left.
i'm not the only one who thinks the scaling of valisthea is really wack and all over the place right?
the few cutscenes and stages that takes place in the cities are very big as one would expect
but then there are the villages and the continent areas that are really small despite making up much of the land in the world map
i thought the open zones would be like the ones from ff14's eorzea, where there are multiple different zones per continent, instead it feels like it's around the same size as 15
>What if we returned to the low stakes people being game of thrones style political buttholes inciting wars again like people want?*
>*but then we descent into vague ancient alien horseshit halfway through after killing off every interesting character on the cast and having nothing left to carry the second half.
I think the issue is that they really don't want Clyde to gut his mother like a fish. I mean, she was a tremendous b***h, but hardly good at being a final enemy. It's why she goes crazy and kills herself.
The damage is done with the main story
the most i can hope for, is them doing a prequel dlc starring cid, to expand on all the dominants(especially benedikta and barnabus) and kingdoms
This post describes my feelings on the game.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxOLqK_Y5Aw0Iicw5_cmA0hB5F5-6QvxCa