Dexstar, the mod loader's coder, shittalked Tex213 newest mod where you play as St. Paul. Tex happened to be someone behind a frickton of mods and in response asked for them to be taken off the loader. They're still playable as they've popped up on the Campagin Trail Showcase, a new offshoot.
https://campaign-trail-showcase.github.io/campaign-trail/index.html
This is also why NCT's mod loader changed suddenly since CTS handles mods differently, so they're changing to match.
Either way is anyone looking forward to 1956 Red? I head you'd be playing as Joe McCarthy in that supposedly, sounds cool.
Type 1930 into the plebbit, it'll bring up the code document that you can copy and paste into the mod loader. Fricking device didn't want to put it in cause it would get the site banned in Germany or some shit.
2000N and 2000 Bateman are works of art too. 2000N is a nice deconstruction, but you need to have played quite a few campaign trails and get used to the usual feel of thing before you enjoy it to it's fullest.
Specter's mask of the red death is cool, but I really like Sam Nunn's 'End of history' ending(s). The mod author really found out how to strike that theme of 'Liberal democracy is the end state'
Wallace. Long had a legitimate chance before he got shot, Wallace would have just made Nixon even more paranoid and drunk if he deadlocked the Electoral College
The Pre-Civil War era mods are the ones I like the most due to how underused they are as scenarios. That said I've gotten pretty sick of all the 1968-1972 althis mods by this point, even if a lot of them are good. As for the worst, it the one's that show an obvious bias and are basically just really obvious on how to win due to being basically railroaded.
The Bernie / Hillary 2016 Primary scenario is the first user-made scenario that hasn't made be cringe with extremely poor writing, superficial strategy, typos, and the distinct whiff that it was created by either a 16 year old or an ESL. Good mod.
Hoover was more like someone in the wrong place wrong time, if he had been elected any year prior he would be considered a good president. Carter just made the whole stagflation thing of the 70s worse with his policy, which could've been handled way better (no fricking Malise speech or the Hostage frick up)
The House of Representatives elects the president
In 1992 the democrats held 258 seats to the Republican 176
Moreover Clinton won the plurality of the popular and electoral vote here
So Clinton becomes President
t. guy who paid attention in 6th grade civics class
no
constitutional law explicitly says, if no candidate gets a majority of electoral votes, the house of representatives votes for president
Each state delegation votes en bloc, with each having a single vote
The democrats held majorities of representative seats in the majority of states, and an overall majority in the house as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections#/media/File:1992_US_House_of_Representatives_Election_by_States.svg
the democrats in the house would obviously elect their own guy
secondly, what 'deal' would that be? what are you talking about? they can't just combine their electoral votes and say 'we win actually' that's not how it works
Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution you fricking mongoloid moronic bottom-feeding fricking scum. fricking google it >The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. >But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Anon just say that you hate Perot.
9 months ago
Anonymous
have a nice day, you sovereign-citizen brained, completely alienated from society, incoherently rambling, "proofs???"posting, nojob, nowife, nokids, ESL, third world, twitter-brained, poor, incoherent piece of shit. In the real world there are objective procedures established by law which will be followed and you can't just make up a new fricking process and treat it as if it is true because that would sit better with your utterly failed, GED-having brain. You fricking pathetic scum, just an absolute troglodyte, looking at the world that your betters have created and being such a degenerate you cannot understand how it works. You're like those dark age illiterate gaullic tribesmen looking up at the aqueducts the Romans built a century earlier and wondering "What kind of a Giant could build a thing like that?" You cannot just make fricking shit up, and moreover, if you really wanted to know how the President is picked in the event of no-one getting an electoral college majority, any room-temperature IQ person would simply google it and read about the established procedures and processes put in place for exactly that scenario. They wouldn't stare at the fricking browser game and then get a chubby and start vibrating with rural poor hick laughter about le funny scenario in which le electoral votes just got arbitrarily combined. "Oh but they could just ... uhhhh ... work out a deal?" Frick you there is no fricking deal because the fricking Constitution lays out the fricking process you moron. Holy fricking shit, how on Earth did it not occur to you to Google what happens in the first instance, instead of shitting out another abhorrent post on this website to other toothless ESL third-worldies to get their also baseless, moronic speculation on how it could work. I hate you poors, you people are demented freaks, and I cannot believe we have to share a world with people who so unable to grapple with the modern world that WE, not YOU, created. Disgusting. FYAD
9 months ago
Anonymous
>immediately devolves into inane rambling about ESLs
you've escaped from your paradox game containment thread
go back
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
>/vst/ - Video Games/Strategy
9 months ago
Anonymous
holy shit lmao
>immediately devolves into inane rambling about ESLs
you've escaped from your paradox game containment thread
go back
hes correct though
9 months ago
Anonymous
>he
literally anyone can switch typing styles and pretend to be someone else, baka
9 months ago
Anonymous
Okay orange gorilla.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Too bad now Bush still president with Perot as Vice President.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>MLP
9 months ago
Anonymous
Okay and?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Theoretically speaking couldn't Perot simply have made a deal with Bush or Clinton to instruct his electors to vote for either before they convene in favor of some concessions? Pretty sure the Whigs planned to do something like that in 1836 by running 4 different candidates to appeal to regionalism while agreeing to sort out whom to actually vote for as President later.
What are the general mechanics of campaigning?? Is there a difference in results or impact between questions I answer in a single state, and my polling nationally? I've noticed that sometime when I campaign in a swing state, I barely influence my polling there while my polling nation wide starts to falter. What are key states to campaign in/which ones to miss
So basically what happened IRL with Carter, since Brown is likely to get just as fricked by the Oil Crisis and the Iran Hostage situation, and Reagan gets in in 1980.
So basically what happened IRL with Carter, since Brown is likely to get just as fricked by the Oil Crisis and the Iran Hostage situation, and Reagan gets in in 1980.
That song has only gotten more hilariously dated as time has gone on, killer song like all DK's stuff though.
Also serious missed opportunity to call a President Brown alt hist scenario "Biafra's Nightmare"
Visit Ohio about 7 times and Illinois about 6 and choose Mondale or Glenn.
Also for the last question choose Midwest also the link. https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/y6gg9f/443_evs_with_jimmy_carter_and_how_to_get_it_1976/?rdt=47643
I guess it would be a fiscally conservative liberal. Depending on how Rockerfeller handles the oil crisis an the Iran hostage crisis he gets renominated or primaried. The democrats run a moderate social conservative to oppose him if Rockerfeller runs in 1980.
Can't wait for the Dems to lose AGAIN in the Red series because plebbit keeps voting for hard, nationally unelectable progressives in primaries during the late 50s and 60s. Brilliant move dipshits.
It's a althis series of elections starting in 1948 where FDR kept Henry Wallace as his VP. It's right now going through the 1960 Democrat audience-run primaries after the Dems have canonically gotten their shit kicked in 3 times because they keep nominating candidates who are too progressive for the time, and it looks like they might do it again because reddit is fricking obsessed with "le wholesome librul". If you want to play it go here and press the 1940s-1950s button, it has all the currently playable elections.
https://campaign-trail-showcase.github.io/campaign-trail/index.html
I think they have Northern Japan cause Wallace didn't use the Atom Bomb on Japan, but I could be wrong. China's and Korea and a bit different if I recall though, so it's a mixed bag.
It's a althis series of elections starting in 1948 where FDR kept Henry Wallace as his VP. It's right now going through the 1960 Democrat audience-run primaries after the Dems have canonically gotten their shit kicked in 3 times because they keep nominating candidates who are too progressive for the time, and it looks like they might do it again because reddit is fricking obsessed with "le wholesome librul". If you want to play it go here and press the 1940s-1950s button, it has all the currently playable elections.
https://campaign-trail-showcase.github.io/campaign-trail/index.html
I seriously don't understand what they saw in a one-term governor who lost his gubernatorial reelection primary by a landslide in real life.
The can't even larp as someone from the 1950s/1960s at all. They will always back someone who is the closest to what they believe today, they cannot play pretend at all.
Either way Reagan flopped, and Fullbright's delegates larpers made a deal with the Eastland delayed larpers because Mansfeild and Austin refused to play ball like morons and thought they had more influence than they did after the primary deadlocked.
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16n6g2m/1960red_democratic_convention_final_results/
He has a better chance to win but it's being hinted that the mod maker might have Bobby Kennedy run third party. Either way he's also said he's might stop doing these since he gets flamed by people who literally cannot understand that Larping as someone doesn't mean you actually support shit.
It's amusing at how fricking invested some of the plebbiters got into it, to the point they accused both the discord head and plebbit mod of being racist segregationists because they didn't want a Progressive Reagan. It's like that one guy who writes out a fricking book for his characters backstory, except cringe since they all act like they're actual 1950s Civil Rights Activists despite it being a fricking browser game that simulates US presidential elections with multiple choice questions. Quit taking shit seriously.
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I seriously don't understand what they saw in a one-term governor who lost his gubernatorial reelection primary by a landslide in real life.
For anyone who doesn't belive this, read the comments her to see the spillover
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16mxu5z/the_1960red_democratic_convention_has_deadlocked/
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16muwfp/1960red_democratic_convention_day_seven/
The other days were posted by the same dude, it's just as fricking rabid at how they are fine with not having a competitive election with an interesting candidate and just try to run the most progressive guy even if he's unelectable.
The modmaker of Red is smart though, he's making a "Blue" series where Wallace won in 1948 to appease them
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16nrgzd/announcing_the_first_red_spinoff_mod_1952blue/
It has Wallace up for reelection against the Liberal Republican Thomas Dewey, all le wholsum liberals. Can't wait to see how this goes.
8 months ago
Anonymous
the mod maker is an uber-liberal. hes just trying pivot to a liberal wank now that fulbright won the convention. ive heard 1960Red is planned to be permanently delayed
8 months ago
Anonymous
Really? Shame, I though Fullbright was going to get his shit kicked in by Lodge (which would be funny), or if he won he gets JFK'd and Mansfeild passes the CRA and sweeps '64 like LBJ.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, I made that up.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Well good work.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>ive heard 1960Red is planned to be permanently delayed
Sucks, the premise was pretty cool, but leaving it off on a MCarthy win is pretty awsome even if he kicks it. It basically means McCarthyism is mainstream enough to continue into the 60s, which would be a pretty interesting idea since McCarthy is looked on more favorably since he won the Presidency and was in office for a year. You'd probably see some Civil Rights McCarthyist yelling how we need to pass the CRA or else the Reds could use race against us or some shit, would be pretty fricking funny.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The modman is actually a pretty bland "moderate conservative" who loves Reagan and Jefferson and hates FDR
8 months ago
Anonymous
Now he's trying to say he's super right wing because he took a political compass test lol >"TRUST ME GUYS IM A REAL CONSERVATIVE I'M BASICALLY WILLIAM BUCKLEY!"
8 months ago
Anonymous
>loves reagan and jefferson
literally the most bland fricking conservacuck imaginable
6 months ago
Anonymous
Does winning as Wallace in 1948Red depend on the two randomized questions? Even with Roosevelt Jr the best I ever managed was deadlocking it, It seemed like it was because I got unlucky with Stalin and the debate.
>all le wholsum liberals
Seems like the opposite. Wallace backs an Israeli invasion of Egypt and Dewey is fervently anti communist
I'm still trying to figure out what the Anti Fulbright faction was trying to do in the convention. Did they literally expect Fulbright's team to just give up and let them pick the nominee despite him having a plurality of delegates?
I don't know why people making mod sequels keep doing the open community convention vote things. Every one that I have seen happen, no matter the series, the people voting always lose their minds and end up attacking the mod creator.
Nixon doesn't run in 68, Reagan runs instead and wins canonically. Shortly after, a Sino-Soviet war breaks out, along with the ROC invading mainland China.
Unironiclly modmakers need to just stop having these "conventions", it seems they all devolved into a cluster frick where the modmaker gets shit on because someone who's stanning a dead guy is mad he didn't win.
Unironiclly modmakers need to just stop having these "conventions", it seems they all devolved into a cluster frick where the modmaker gets shit on because someone who's stanning a dead guy is mad he didn't win.
In TFC's case it's pretty transparently engagement bait. I think Tom (RED creator)'s deal is that he want to create some sort of polsim game. I was in his dicksword server for the last convention of his though, and it was a clusterfrick.
FYI that "poll series" (set in the XIX century, started before the civil war, currently on the middle of it past 1864) has a troon larping as a white supremacist
FYI that "poll series" (set in the XIX century, started before the civil war, currently on the middle of it past 1864) has a troon larping as a white supremacist
That sounds like a ticking time bomb that's about to go off. Guess Red won't be going up to 76 then.
The poll series is actually quite fun.
Just before the Civil War, we elected a guy named George Law to the presidency, then we went to Madrid to buy Cuba, but we ended up seducing a local Spanish countess instead.
We didn't manage to buy Cuba, by the way.
Because of this, the president got impeachment proceedings against him, we dropped him out of the race, his VP went on to run as the Democratic running mate, and George Law went on to run as the Know-Nothings candidate, winning two states, while we nominated two completely different people to run for our party.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I've always wondered if the US annexed Northen Mexico like Polk wanted and the Whigs split California in two to keep the original Missouri Compromise in place (No slave states above the 36 30' latitude line), that it would keep the slave/free state balance be kept long enough for gradual emancipation to become prevalent enough that slavery dies out without a civil war is possible. It always seem like an interesting idea, like how would the political landscape be with not only extra states, but no internal conflict taking place at all?
It's more like Larping as delegates for dead politicians to run as President in whatever year the mod takes place in, since a lot take place prior to the changes the parties in the US made to their primary system. Considering how the whole US Party System works with how parties are historically ideological coalitions, it can lead to interesting shit if the people involved can actually play pretend and want things to be interesting instead of LARPing out their political wankfest.
Mack lost to McCarthy, so it's not like we were wrong. The 40s/50s aren't the 60s, if you want to win you need to run someone who the electorate will like at that decade.
It's sad. The concept was very interesting and was written amazingly. I hope someone in the future picks up what remains and finishes it.
Yeah, Midnight 64 is really good and 65 is really well written, it's a damn shame the dude basically got pushed out due to clique bullshit. Hopefully he allows one of his helpers to work on '68 so we can at least get something, it's a good althis scenario.
It seems like this is the second big modmaker this has happened to now. The guy who made the Joseph Smith and Paul the Apostle mods got seemingly pushed out too.
If I recall it's one of the main reasons Campagin Trail Showcase fork got made; the main site coder shittalked the Paul the Apostle mod and insulted the maker of it, causing the guy to leave temporarily and request all his mods get taken down (which were a lot), which lead to CTS being made by someone else so it could host his mods. They've supposedly made up since all the mods are back, but I feel the NCT site owner is still mad that his attempts a being creative didn't land as well, so he's pushing the "academic" mods because that's what he's good at as the standard that everyone should be following so he doesn't get shown up.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do you have any proof?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Here
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/15n3oa0/pulling_away/
Turns out he's also behind the Red Series too.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do you have any proof?
Wrong guy, this is the Paul dude
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/155xfmc/tex_mod_repository/
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/155zfaz/permission_from_tex_to_make_a_1796_redux/
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16bnu0m/campaign_trail_showcase_directly_integrated_into/
Or at least posts about it. I can't find the original post talking about it, but the main discord has definitely formed into a clique with a supiority complex.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The dudes mod were directly integrated into CTS after he took them off NCT
Interesting.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do you feel bad for him?
7 months ago
Anonymous
If an asshurt code monkey who's shit at writing is going to drive off creative modmakers out of spite, I'm not going to be pleased. Midnight 68 was looking to be a good sequel and these frickers basically harassed the modmaker to stop. Bet you Viva Kennedy 72 is going to be revealed to be canceled too.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I unironically was checking plebbit daily waiting for Midnight 68 to come out. It's really irritating that the best piece of fiction the game has produced to date got cancelled because of a pretentious group of literal children with a sekrit club mentality.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Same, it was something i was legit lookong forward too, the scenario was cool and i liked the writing. Garfeld should've done what
Tom is still making shit related to the RED (and now BLUE spin-off) series except he's hiding in his own discord
did and just set up his own server on his own since it's obvious certain people are jealous that they can't write as good and then try to claim mods should be more "academic" to cope about it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
oh, so that means its actually three people they've done this to know lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw you're so mad other are better at writing than you, you decide to harass them to quit making mods
Lol he's gonna kill his game if he does this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Tom is still making shit related to the RED (and now BLUE spin-off) series except he's hiding in his own discord
7 months ago
Anonymous
Good for him, why be on a discord full of homosexuals who don't like what you do?
Why not be in a community of like-minded people.
That is if you need a community, if I was making a mod, I wouldn't have a server, I'd just make the mods
Midnight is a series I've followed closely, and I'm looking forward to midnight68. The idea of Goldwater beating Kennedy and having to deal with all of the shit that happened between 64-68 is interesting. I wonder who the Dems would run against him?
The dexcut is ending. > there is no logical reason to believe that
And yet it is the truth > they have no motive to do that since people bought the games anyways
And yet they will do > anti bbnd copy-paste
Chadyes.jpeg to question asked > cope
Cope based off the truth
The question where the accusations comes up again, it ranks my polls that are already narrow. Also what VP are you using? I'm using Dale Bumpers since the others seem trash.
I pick John Glenn for the pic in question.
I choose the following. >"It's claimed that this 'incident' occurred several months ago, but why is it only being revealed now?"
Thanks.
Also how the frick does that new "Southern Victory in the CC" 2014 mod that's in beta work? I can't seem to copy the code 2 over to the mod loader.
Fricking someone needs to do the 1856 election or an 1860 redux thats more fleshed out and where we can play as all 4 candidates. As for fictional, an 1867 CSA election (The CSA had a six-year presidental term with no re-elections allowed) with a Democrat Robert E Lee (because duh) up against a Whig candidate of your choosing.
The candidates would be George Washington, Hornito Gates, Fredrick Henry Louis (Prince of Prussia), Prince Fredrick (Duke of York and Albany) and Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette
This, but with the map made right. Someone is making something like this, but the dude fricked up the map for some reason really badly, and has made the internal lore a bit contradictory (The US here is more openly conservative, but Margret Chase Smith was a President?). Either way the dude has Lipinski's side up for beta and he has made it somewhat interesting, but is still fricking it up with bad decisions.
This is the in game map; as you can see, it's pretty fricked design wise. Also, he changed some state names too that's just weird (the Txas divide is just fricking odd)
Basically, someone save this excellent scenario from somebody who is just butchering it for some weird reason.
This is the in game map; as you can see, it's pretty fricked design wise. Also, he changed some state names too that's just weird (the Txas divide is just fricking odd)
Basically, someone save this excellent scenario from somebody who is just butchering it for some weird reason.
Hey I'm reworking this mod with the original creator besides the kinda odd lore what other problems did you have? (also the guy who made that map is the same as the guy who made the mod)
My biggest issue right now is the lore and map; The map really needs to fixed, as the current one in-game is too odd and historically implausible unlike the original map (Texas would never consent to being divided if it joined, California's split should have the southern split be name Colorado and the Northern one stick with California like it was originally suggested during the Missouri Comprimiese negotiations, etc.)
As for the lore, if this is suppose to be a more conservative/right wing United States like it said in the original post, there really shouldn't be any historical female presidents pre-2000s (especially considering how OTL is like) ; Really show the fact that this world's US is one where the Southern Planter class had enough influence to not only annex Northern Mexico and Cuba, but cause the NORTH to go for succession. Not like it's some dystopia (the People's Party and Whigs are liberals obviously) but that some positions that fly in 2010 OTL wouldn't fly ITTL 2010 and it should be very risky if you're going to be extremely socially liberal.
I would suggest maybe changing the People's Party name since it's obvious a merger between a lot of Western parties happened here (Prohibition, Free SIlver, etc.); maybe the Patriot Party or Populist Party, but that's not super important. Also, Northern Mexico would've been annexed in 1830s; I highly doubt that the whole assimilation/nationalist issue would be a thing with all the American settlers moving into the then-less populated newly annexed territory by 2014, that issue would be irrelevant by then. There should be a bigger focus on Isolationism vs Interventalism, as well as Economic and Trade. Immigration should have a heavier focus too.
I will say I liked the coalition idea he made, and I would also suggest expanding the question count a having the first 5-10 question explain what the frick is going on, or add a second slide with the global situation so we know what's going on.
2024 election
Melania Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala D. Harris, and Nikki Haley
US doesn't abandon the Shah of Iran, for one thing.
There's actually a book of US electoral "What-if" scenarios by Jeff Greenfield called "Then Everything Changed" which includes this scenario.
Taking the 2016 Arnold mod premise where
The 28th Amendment was ratified making presidential and vice presidential candidates no longer have to be natural-born citizens. Also I made four candidates to make things interesting.
I'd love a Star Wars scenario about Palpatine's rise to power, becoming chancellor as an early skill check and, if passed, his actions during the clone wars and consolidating power to become emperor. The Palpatine 2000 scenario is fun, but in-universe it'd be even more fun.
US doesn't abandon the Shah of Iran, for one thing.
There's actually a book of US electoral "What-if" scenarios by Jeff Greenfield called "Then Everything Changed" which includes this scenario.
Midnight 1968 is canceled I think, or at least the dude whose making it is stopping wok on it due to how "negatively, idea overlap and higher standards" combined with the feeling that a group of "elite" modmakers only praise academic style mods made by those in their inner circle basically made him give up.
I swear they've held a grudge since 2000N got rightly called out as pretentious bullshit, and have tried to basically quash every creative althis mod in favor of "academic" mods out of spite. There's a reason the Red series isn't as prevalent on either the plebbit or "main discord'
It was pretentious as frick and nearly impossible to navigate in order to get the endings with how bland the question writing was. And I know it was on purpose, but that doesn't make it any less bland and not engaging.
Decstar is a c**t, that bastard should be locked away in codemonkeying the site away in a vault, while letting the rest of the modders who are actually passionate about something mod.
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In TFC's case it's pretty transparently engagement bait. I think Tom (RED creator)'s deal is that he want to create some sort of polsim game. I was in his dicksword server for the last convention of his though, and it was a clusterfrick.
Tom pretty blatantly wants to keep stuff about his mod on his private server. I don't blame him.
>Decstar
That's the dudes name, he shittalked the Apostle mod dude and ran him off, causing the CTS fork to be made right? I wonder if he was also talking shit about Midnight's creator and that's why he left.
Decstar deserves all the credit in the world for making an easy mod loader, but the guy is a major prick. He's probably like 17, so it's somewhat excusable, but it's annoying to see him running good creators away with his bullshit.
>Decstar
That's the dudes name, he shittalked the Apostle mod dude and ran him off, causing the CTS fork to be made right? I wonder if he was also talking shit about Midnight's creator and that's why he left.
One dude a cabal does not make so there's definitely more people out there to blame
Most interesting time in US political history in the middle of a massive realignment where both major parties had conservative and liberal wings. Also just a very busy time in general with national events.
No.
But here's a tip on the English language.
The usage of 'an' instead of 'a' is only for when it is preceding a vowel sound. Not necessarily when it is preceding a vowel.
Meaning that words like 'Euro' do not need an 'an' (as the word is pronounced yur-o) and 'Hour' which does not begin with a vowel, is preceded by 'an' (as hour is pronounced as ow-er)
Me either. RFK and JFK I can get, but Ted is weird. I did have an idea for a sequel to 1972d where its 1976 and you have Ted Kennedy vs Spiro Angew with Gus Hall third party running again, with you either try to win some states as Hall as both Ted's murder coverup and Angews corruption come out, or as the two main party candidates trying to outplay the other 2 by sabotage and surviving your own scandals. Maybe even toss in some other candidates for maximum clusterfrickery.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Maybe even toss in some other candidates for maximum clusterfrickery.
How many are we talking about?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I would say it depends on what happens during the election, probably involving CYOA stuff. Like if it goes all sideways, you can have another Dixiecrat/Right wing split to make it a 4 way, or maybe a more moderate liberal split from both the Reps and Dems due to the revealed corruption of Angew and Ted changing it to a 5 way slugfest. Would even make it viable for Hall or the Dixiecrat to win at that point.
Seriously, the set up of 1972d is great for making a electoral mess in a hypothetical 1976d with a lot of twists and turns; Ted Kennedy is put up to calm down the surging New Left, Angew is trying to handle the after effects of Watergate while trying to get re-elected, dealing with shit like the Weather Underground and holding his party together, and Hall as well as other extremists are looking to use every angle to try and win a state, or maybe even deadlock the election by dragging out all of the skeletons in everyone's closet. Would be a kino clusterfrick.
unless you're a moron who wants a $100,000 medical bill, yeah
5 months ago
Anonymous
Wasn't the universal health care different in the 70's and 80's then what Obama pass?
5 months ago
Anonymous
obama didn't pass universal healthcare, he passed effectively a series of regulations and subsidies and a (mostly non-functional) website to find a provider. The version proposed in the 70s was actually universal.
There's a 1980 mod with Hubert Humphrey as the candidate that just came out. The concept is interesting, with Watergate never being found out and Connally winning the 1976 election .
The mod mentions Connelly being vice president, so either Nixon swapped Agnew out in 1972 or Agnew resigned and he wasn't replaced by Ford.
Connelly being VP would be the only way he could become president given that otherwise Reagan would be too popular for any non-incumbent to beat him
Angew got kicked out before Watergate got out because of his own scandal, and the RNC at the time forced Ford on Nixon, who wanted Connally. If Watergate never got out, Nixon probably would've either pushed harder and had Connally as VP since there was no worries about Watergate getting out or backed him during the 76 primary over Ford to spite the House.
Yes, actually, it gives a little boost. This is what I got by only visiting Texas while giving the worst answers I could choose, used Askew as VP; turns out you can get Hall to win DC if he gets 3% of the vote
The Dems might actually collapse after that, 3 landslide losses repeatedly and losing DC to an actual communist is fricking brutal. Would be interesting to see what happens after that outcome.
Wouldn't the Republican's implode due the scandal?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Depends if the investigation has enough support and political weight behind it. Connally might be able to spin it as just an attempt to spite him due to 3 landslide losses, and add on that Hall won electoral votes due to the whole New Left problem, Connally has a lot of political capital to use to try and clog up any investigations. I could see him at least avoiding impeachment, even if he might not be as "clean", and Hall and the New Left would be used to take heat off him I think.
I think that becomes the end of the two party system.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's more likely the Dems wind up like the Federalists in the First Party System and are basically a permanent minority party before slowly dying off, and then the Reps collapses from having their "big tent party" grow too big and split again.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>split again
How big of a split are we talking?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>How big of a split are we talking?
If we're going off of the idea of this timeline is from the screencap, the post-Nixon Era would basically be a replica of the First Party system (where the Democrat-Republicans won consistently in large margins while the Federalists stay a semi-regional minority party who are unable to win general elections) where would be the Republicans as the big tent-party while the Democrats are the minority party, the split would be similar to what happened after the Federalists quietly died off in 1820 and the D-Rs collapsed in 1824 into the Democrats and Whigs.
Basically the Democrats would probably slowly die off as the New Left dont like the conintued failure of the Dems and join leftist third parties (CPUSA, DSA, Black Panthers, etc.), while the Republicans moderate on some Old Left policy and eat into the pro-New Deal side, eventually leading to the Dems quietly dying and the Republicans collapsing into two new parties.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>two new parties
So basically the two party system will endure? Also what would be the name of the new parties in question?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Probably, the way the electorial college is set up, a big tent party is the best way to win. This is why the Federalists lost; they stayed too ideologically static, and they died off because of that. Every party that came after followed a "big tent" strategy of the D-R's where you have different wings so you can be flexible to win general elections despite a changing political field.
It's quite surprising how much skulduggery and wild shit US politics has when you look into the pre-Reagan/Bush era. Even the Gilded Age has some crazy suff that happened with corruption, there's a surprising amount of plausible AltHis scenarios you can set up and some OTL elections had some things that you wouldn't expect.
Jesus frick that Daylight 64 is horrendous. It's the most boring, blandest, plainest, mod to ever grace that loader, but those annoying redditors hyping the mod like if it is the mod saved modding itself with its superior writing and coding. >IT'S LIKE A DAN BRYAN SCENARIO, BUT THE QUESTIONS ARE SCHIZO SCRAMBLED. IT'S SO HECKING GOOD AND SIMPLE. 100000/100000
Frick off.
What I don't like is you can't even win on cakewalk. Midnight 64 for the first half gave me a better feel for the 1964 election before it went off the rails.
Does anybody have the Chris-chan 2012 codes? The docs have expired and I dunno where to find them. Liquid Chris is broken as VP on the loader and I wanted to try him out.
>if the communist party just whined about vietnam 24/7 they would win millions of votes and multiple EVs
1972d is the gayest mod ever made. It is absolutely not a surprise that TNOgays wrote it.
Hayden and his students connection apparently get better results than Kovic, and even then the "historical" result is just DC going to Hall in protest, which I can believe considering how leftist it is and how bad Connally would be going up against Nixon in 1972
Historical result is DC (probably) and around 3 million votes, which is still completely ridiculous. The best voter turnout that the communist party received was 100 thousand during the great depression. And DC is pretty left leaning sure, but its not lefty enough to go for Hall.
The real problem is that the way the mod is set up doesn't make Hall's incredible results believable. Its legitimately difficult to fail. You can run an absolutely schizophrenic campaign where you make insane remarks that nobody agrees with (like making George Wallace out as a working class hero) and still get at least a million votes. The only concept the mod makers seemed to believe in is all publicity is good publicity, and of course new left = good.
From what I've read, Hall and the CPUSA in our timeline basically shunned the New Left completely and stuck to what worked for them since the depression. The mods logic is if Hall decided to at least adopt ANY New Left policy during the 70s, he'd get at least more votes than he did OTL. This is why the Old Left VP is the worst to run with and doesn't get you to the 3%; the whole point is the only way to win is to tap into the New Left.
Hayden and his students connection apparently get better results than Kovic, and even then the "historical" result is just DC going to Hall in protest, which I can believe considering how leftist it is and how bad Connally would be going up against Nixon in 1972
72D is fine as a thing to playthrough, but it obviously ignores that - if 1972 was Nixon v Connelly - there would just be a mainstream liberal third party.
Like Eugene McCarthy or some independent liberal would just run, and they'd get the support. Not Gus Hall
Well, the modmaker RouteVenus also wrote a mod that made Nixon the evilest motherfricker around who could flaunt the law to completely destroy his opponents. They probably assumed that Nixon would destroy the mainstream third party liberal candidate.
Speaking of which, W. is PWH but better since it's less abstract.
W is great since the mechanics are so much more in depth and realized then the simple binary choice CYOA that PWH is.
There's hidden counters which count things like jingoism, congressional reputation, and public opinion, which can all alter the results of various answers.
This makes it so much more dynamic and fun in comparison to PWH.
And PWH was already good.
You need high "congressional reputation" or high "jingoism"
>CongRep you gain by distancing yourself from Lott's congress, having Danny boy give the SotU, and you spend it by passing the legislation (tax cuts and social security reform) >Jingoism can be increased by having Ari give the SotU, invading Afghanistan successfully, and doing the NYT leak and massaging congress egos.
If you don't want to go into Afghanistan or have Ari give the SotU, then you shouldn't do one of the legislations.
That way you should have enough support to get into Iraq.
Also, never defend Danny boy when he's in trouble. Either leave him on his own for more CongRep or hold hearings about his allegations for more Presidential Credibility (the third of the four hidden stats in W)
The other three being the aforementioned Jingoism and CongRep as well as the 'wins' mechanic which determines opponent
5 months ago
Anonymous
Wait, sorry I got one thing wrong.
It's not Ari's SotU which increases Jingoism, that's Frum's
There's the Red series guy, the Morman dude, and Midnight Series lead who the clique got assmad at and pushed off. If this Neo guy (who I've never heard off) is true, that 4 people the NCT guys have driven off, with 2 stopping modding all together
>the TFC dude deleted his account because the clique swarmed him for using Wikipedia
Jesus Christ, not everyone can do 10 weeks of research and read the Biography of every dude. Let the guy make his mod.
>deleting your account because like three redditors found out you copied off wikipedia
What a b***h. It casts some serious doubt on the whole "clique" narrative when it gets applied to situations like this, where a mod maker is obviously just having a meltdown over facing some basic criticism.
You have to basically "apply" to get onto the modloader, and the NCT guys have set "standards" modmakers have to meet. Going off of the comments, he dfe'd because at least NCT would've possibly refused him (and might get rid of his mods, since he's apparently being accused of being a Republican simp or some shit).
>Going off of the comments, he dfe'd because at least NCT would've possibly refused him (and might get rid of his mods, since he's apparently being accused of being a Republican simp or some shit).
Major overreaction + persecution complex. Some redditors found out he copied off wikipedia in his toozer post. There was no risk of his previous mods being taken down, or even his new mod being refused access. Nobody ever brought up the possibility of either. Its just a modmaker being a sensitize gay and morons on here eating up drama.
>the TFC dude deleted his account because the clique swarmed him for using Wikipedia
Jesus Christ, not everyone can do 10 weeks of research and read the Biography of every dude. Let the guy make his mod.
>plebbit learns what citing a source is off their favourite breadtuber and goes crazy with their new ‘intellectual’ toy for a few months
lmk when it’s over - really miss my sissy white boy humiliation subreddits
>the smug teenager clique ran off ANOTHER modmaker
Genuinely embarrassing. I hope the people behind the showcase site completely denounce and separate themselves from these clowns soon.
>PWH but Trump
It was a dumb idea from the start. And now their preview shows that they can't even get Trump's voice right, which is practically the whole point of the mod.
>PWH but Trump
It was a dumb idea from the start. And now their preview shows that they can't even get Trump's voice right, which is practically the whole point of the mod.
Doing a VPW thing for Trump is dumb because no matter what Trump did, Biden would be his opponent.
The DNC were too afraid of Bernie or any progressive to let them in, and Buttigieg wasn't allowed to go further since after South Carolina, Biden was seen as the only opponent to Bernie.
I mean I guess if they really went alternate history and allowed Trump to go to war or something, maybe then Bernie wins or something. Even then.
Part of the appeal of Peace With Honor was the multiple options, but what would Trump do differently?
Like I guess COVID.
He could either go full lockdown, go full anti-lockdown, or play a middle path like he did in reality.
I mean I guess they could have it where if Trump goes full lockdown his opponent is an anti-lockdown democrat. Eh even then it would be Biden, he would just change his stance to appeal to the anti-Trump vote. But maybe you can say that in this case Buttigieg beats Bernie and Biden.
Maybe if he goes full anti-lockdown Trump faces against Andrew Cuomo.
And the middle path is Biden
Eh.
Frankly there are better presidents to do a PWH thing with.
LBJ is a natural pick, he made a lot of key decisions and you could see that factoring into who he runs against.
Then, maybe Woodrow Wilson.
Maybe Grant or Calvin Coolidge.
Carter probably
The problem with Carter is that, no matter what he did, Reagan would have been the nominee in 1980.
He was the most popular Republican, almost able to unseat the sitting president in a primary race.
>LBJ is a natural pick, he made a lot of key decisions and you could see that factoring into who he runs against.
It was announced about a month ago that LBJ ‘68 is getting a PWH mod titled “Peace in the Balance”.
It's pretty fun, and interesting what ypu canndo with it. Also the fact Pappy Bush just literally shittalked Dukakis so much that he won made me laugh.
Been mostly doing the default scenarios since I'm pretty new to this, only briefly tried some mods like Gore '88, the Rockwell scenario and Germany '21 so too early to say for now. I got blown the Hell out as Ford in '76 so I want to retry that later this week, not too big of a fan when it comes to the wilder kind of alt. history scenarios but those seem pretty popular.
I hope this project continues to prosper despite all the Reddit drama and whatnot, it's a simple little thing but it does it's job a lot better than some of the other political campaign games I've tried out in the past, like The Political Machine or The Race for the White House.
I've read good things about The Political Process but that's still early access and that seems like it's more of a spreadsheet simulator kind of game that requires a deeper dive than these other games, so I'm probably sticking with this one for a while.
>Been mostly doing the default scenarios since I'm pretty new to this, only briefly tried some mods like Gore '88, the Rockwell scenario and Germany '21 so too early to say for now.
I strongly suggest 1972 Peace with Honor if you like those, it's Nixons side of the 1972 election, but a bit deeper since the mod starts before the election and lets you choose what policy decisions to make, which changes who you go up against depending on what you do. >not too big of a fan when it comes to the wilder kind of alt. history scenarios but those seem pretty popular.
I can see that, some of them can be a bit out of there like the Alternative American Revolution or the Post-Communist USA; I prefer the more the ones that at least try to stay plausible even if they get a bit odd like Hart 88 or the 1968/1972 mods, or the No Listuana and 1916 Bryan series. >I hope this project continues to prosper despite all the Reddit drama and whatnot, it's a simple little thing but it does it's job a lot better than some of the other political campaign games I've tried out in the past, like The Political Machine or The Race for the White House.
Same, I'm surprised how good a browser game is at simulating and elections, especially when the margins get close; it really sells you on how much luck goes into some of this stuff, and this is the closes thing that actually can give me that feeling. A lot of the other games don't sell that to you, >I've read good things about The Political Process but that's still early access and that seems like it's more of a spreadsheet simulator kind of game that requires a deeper dive than these other games
I've heard of that, it sounds good but the spreadsheet stuff might kill it for me.
Also going off you taste I'd also recommend 1868, it's surprising how close it can be if you frick up the war effort. And it is possible to beat Carter as Ford in 76 too, you got got some bad RNG probably.
I think because people don't really know many 50s politicians, and since the elections in that decade were so one sided in favor of Eisenhower that there's less interest.
Also the 50s were generally a calm time in America.
And despite that one could easily invent a tragedy to happen during them, people don't for some reason.
You have to take Eisenhower out of the Presidency for the 50s to be interesting outside of an educational standpoint. It can be done (see the Red series) but it has to be somewhat alternate history.
So far the closest to IRL I've heard someone got us everyone buy South Carolina voting for Independence. Dickinson is a motherfricker and that planter weirdo is an butthole to get on board the independence train.
>1976Abyss had a release date of over two (2) months ago and the creator is still just pretending like they never announced that and getting pissy whenever anyone brings it up
That 2004 no 9/11 mod was made by "election twitter" leftists and it shows, 26 questions of nothing but seething about Bush and Conservatives, with CYOA, alternate candidates and a fancy 2000s Windows UI just to please the reddit morons.
First 1972d, then PHW and now this. I wonder what will be the next in the QuoProQuid (of course the bastard is TNO writer) saga of "THE RIGHT ARE LE BAD"? Maybe a mod where you play as L"iterally Satan" Reagan.
>Bush and Conservatives
Dubya was one of the most inoffensive presidents too. he wasn't the best but the mod feels like it was made by someone who voted for Gore in 2000 and never got over that loss.
Played it, I like the design it has but the writing is fricking horrid. It feels like someone who never got over the 2000s made a wish fulfillment mod.
>"nostalgic"
Bush was a shit President (The Patriot Act was horrible and then there's everything about the Iraq War) but the mods feels like someone with a massive hateboner for him on a personal level made it. You can literally feel the seethe that Bush didn't get arrested for war crimes or something else that a John Stewart fan would believed was going to happen to Bush didn't happen and he served 2 full terms. Can't believe the Reagan mod so criticized while a literally wish fulfillment mod about bashing one dude gets praised
The mod is what it says it is on the tin; it's an insane 2000s Liberal PoV mod. I don't see why that aspect of it is a problem. However I will say that the election Twitter detail is probably why the whole thing still has a noticeable element of mean-spirited seethe that bleeds through the irony. That community is full of wonderfully mentally special people, who are definitely incapable of not using every single bit of time someone is focused on their project to pontificate to them.
I've seen people there legit say they relate to GWB because of the writing too. If the idea was to make Dubya seem like an butthole they seemed to messed up.
He's not wrong about the Bush characterization and how this is basically a leftist wet dream. Surprised to see his gripes with PWH though, didn't expect that. I'm guessing this Alt-1996 mod is going to be an attempt to "correctly" do what they think PWH didn't do right.
Also they forget how much people were against gay marriage, it had to be passed by the Surpreme Court and not any legislation; that shit is entirely possible.
A problem I had with the W mod is that none of the scenarios addressed how Bush was advocating for an EU style government with Mexico and Canada but abandoned it after 9/11. They also didn't bring up immigration or amnesty which Bush was in favor of, but I guess it's easier to write scenarios about what already happened with some minor tweaks
Well W starts after the 2002 midterms, which in the no 9/11 alternate history, give the dems control over congress.
So most older plans would have been scrapped already by that point.
>at any rate, what's the general pulse on 2000N?
It's pretentious and unfun.
It uses the CYA mechanics in the worst way, making it really hard to find any special ending (except maybe for the Christian ones for Nunn)
I suppose the kindest thing I can say about it, was that it led the way for more fun uses of its mechanics
>at any rate, what's the general pulse on 2000N
While technically impressive, with being the first mod with cyoa mechanics, the trash writing which is deliberately made to be dull and boring makes the mod a slog to play. This also makes it extremely opaque on how the cyoa mechanics work, so outside of Nunns Rapture endings you're relying on was is basically RNG to get the other endings, which is rough due to how unengaging the bland writing is. And I know it was a stylized choice to make it like that, but it still makes me want to not play the mod; dull writing, no matter the reason, is going to be a slog and not fun to read, which is important if repayablity is a big part of what you’re making.
Blame discord.
The Campaign Trail shouldn't have ever been a community, it should have remained a fandom and place where people shared mods and talked about them.
This happens all the time whenever Discord gets involved.
To make a pun, Discord always causes discord.
Also trannies.
For whatever reason, no matter the subject matter any Discord server will be 50% lgbtq. No matter what.
Ego. They think they're more important than they are, since modding a web browser game isn't something you can really brag about. So they try and talk like they're some major politician or some shit. It's why the have frickong elections for the plebbit mods and get angry when the audience participation convention doesn't have their favorite candidate win, they legit are putting it on participate with irl shit and "spreading a message".
For those who just arrived, Tom (of red fame) got outed as a mod for the daily wire and that said some no-good stuff on trans people, and there was some fallout.
His personal server is currently in full meltdown mode.
How important is the plebbit forum in the grand scheme of things?
Strongly dislike how some autists troon out and ruin their niche hobby for the other autists.
the plebbit forum is like the place where every modmaker goes to and posts announcements. Pretty much every single mod is trans or friends with one. Tom's main artist is trans, also the secondary coder that also made 2021 Germany...
Dude's FRICKED.
>Tom's main artist is trans, also the secondary coder that also made 2021 Germany.
Explains a lot about some mods.
I expect the quality to drop even harder now.
>His personal server is currently in full meltdown mode.
It seems he was banned from his own server.
I left out of protest after saying that no one should care about the political opinions of just some dude.
>It seems he was banned from his own server
I bet Red will be continued by the people still there too lol. Can't wait for it to collapse due to more drama over how they should write it since the main writer got kicked out.
That would be so hysterical if for some reason someone took it upon themselves to usurp it. I can't even imagine how they would go out of their way to warp it
Fullbright will beat Lodge in 1960, gets JFK'd in '63 and his Progessive VP (James Eastland) wins in '64. Either Eastland runs in '68 or RFK, who somehow beats obvious Dixiecrat split and Rep candidate. If RFK runs he gets 2 terms and wins in '72 and '76, if the Eastland runs his own Progessive vp runs in '72 (Probably Humphrey) who then also wins in '76.
So basically it turns from slight conservative wank to le wholesome progressive wank.
>I bet Red will be continued by the people still there too lol.
Yeah the rest of the team who worked on those mods say they will finish them. I'm not sure how well they will do that, or if drama won't discourage the,.
These modmakers need to have modmaker only servers if they're that set on using dicksword. It's pretty obvious that inviting random people is going to frick you over due to autism. Also drop the whole community thing, you're making mods for a web browser game, not some major fricking AAA game that's going to be seen by the masses.
You've got to wonder why someone found out Tom was on the Daily Wire dicksword, like surely if someone was on there, they'd agree with Tom, so why reveal it to the TCT people?
Did someone have an axe to grind against Tom and did some searching.
>Did someone have an axe to grind against Tom and did some searching.
If I recall, Tom isn't on very good terms with the TCT devs, and was one of the people behind the CTS fork that was made after the NCT dev made fun of the St. Paul mod. Plus the plebbit's been mad that he made McMath and McCormick lose their repective elections in the Red Series too. It's possible one of the NCT devs decided to do some gayops in order to get rid of someone he doesn't like permanently without receiving any major backlash from anyone since it's plebbit who cant stand anybody not like them and the NCT dicksword isn't going to object.
It feels like a lose-lose scenario if they continued without him. I feel like if the team tried going along with the intended outline that he most likely had, (or were even perceived as sticking to closely to his intended vision), that it would somehow now be considered too "tainted" by him. People already were whiny just at the fact of McCarthy winning in 56, despite him canonically dying less than 5 full months in office.
Fullbright will beat Lodge in 1960, gets JFK'd in '63 and his Progessive VP (James Eastland) wins in '64. Either Eastland runs in '68 or RFK, who somehow beats obvious Dixiecrat split and Rep candidate. If RFK runs he gets 2 terms and wins in '72 and '76, if the Eastland runs his own Progessive vp runs in '72 (Probably Humphrey) who then also wins in '76.
So basically it turns from slight conservative wank to le wholesome progressive wank.
is right with what they're going to do. They'll say Tom wanted Fullbright to win and then they saved the mod of the injustice that he did with rigging those "conventions" by having Eastland take over (and they'll make Reagan a progressive too for the lols.)
I think [...] is right with what they're going to do. They'll say Tom wanted Fullbright to win and then they saved the mod of the injustice that he did with rigging those "conventions" by having Eastland take over (and they'll make Reagan a progressive too for the lols.)
Ted and Aiden aren't the type to ego trip like that from what I've seen of them, and it's already several months into development. President Fulbright is probably staying.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>already several months into development.
That hasn't stopped mods from getting rewritten before.
If the remaining team soldiers on like nothing happened, 1960 red and blue will probably release. But if they decide to change the vision to spite Tom, then the team will inevitably fragment.
I don’t know how you run with people who think surgically inverting children’s genitalia is a good thing and you don’t think you should put your comments against that on a different name/account. He should know full well how feral they can get.
Correction, the troony fad is specifically targeted at autists.
Autists due to the nature of their mental condition rarely feel comfortable in themselves and yearn for a sense of belonging.
The troony community makes them feel like part of a group and convinces them their insecurity problem must be "i'm the wrong gender" stuff.
Most autists find it easier to stay awkward and hang around bad circles then to act more social and find a good crowd.
The alphabet mafia is a horrible group to be in, it's very cult like and it promotes very unhealthy beliefs and life styles.
But it outwardly exceedingly nice and accepting, and deeply familiar with the struggles of outcasts.
Which lures in vulnerable people
These modmakers need to have modmaker only servers if they're that set on using dicksword. It's pretty obvious that inviting random people is going to frick you over due to autism. Also drop the whole community thing, you're making mods for a web browser game, not some major fricking AAA game that's going to be seen by the masses.
People who are autistic enough to massively dedicate time for a no-money obscure thing such as modding, are likely young and autistic.
In the past these people would be emo or scene kids, nowadays they are all trans.
Trans people kinda feed off of autistic dudes in a cycle.
On one hand, nerdy autistic dudes tend to be trans, on the other, those genuine nerdy trannies will basically gaslight all other nerdy dudes into thinking they are trans.
The fact that it's a basic b***h Zionist, one of the type who tries to be as inoffensive as possible and tends to keep to themselves is the one getting rammed for this amuses me. They're going to eventually decened into a spiral of le wholesome mods with no real conflict or good narrative, or mods that make the most basic center-right guy out to be a monster because lol evil as they drive anyone who wants to make interesting shit away lol.
The only good mods Tom put out were 56’ Red, Florence, and Sumner 68’, lol. This is not going to lead to some massive decline of mod quality, if anything it just removes someone who was constantly baiting drama within the community which is a net positive
>look at the "damning" screenshots of what horrible things Tom said >they're all just normie opinions you can hear or see while talking to anyone in public or online
These people are psychotic
They’re sharing this board in the new campaign trail discord server. I think some people here spied sent to make the campaign trail Ganker community look bad
It fricking sucks how much liberals just ruin everything they touch. I was thinking of learning how to mod and making a mod this summer but they tear it apart like they tore apart the red series and Tom. Frick
discord has caused drama in nearly every fandom I've seen by just existing. It would unironically be better to create a forum and just use that than to make a discord considering how it always seems to turn into a mess.
SkipperPengn made some of the best mods on the loader and I've never seen anyone who has beef with him because he does the bare minimum of not constantly starting shit
Unironiclly they just need to make a mod they like and that's it. No conventions, no open discord, no major shilling. Just fricking make a mod and if it's good it'll do good and won't get any flack.
Why were a bunch of mods removed right before they updated the mod launcher?
Dexstar, the mod loader's coder, shittalked Tex213 newest mod where you play as St. Paul. Tex happened to be someone behind a frickton of mods and in response asked for them to be taken off the loader. They're still playable as they've popped up on the Campagin Trail Showcase, a new offshoot.
https://campaign-trail-showcase.github.io/campaign-trail/index.html
This is also why NCT's mod loader changed suddenly since CTS handles mods differently, so they're changing to match.
Either way is anyone looking forward to 1956 Red? I head you'd be playing as Joe McCarthy in that supposedly, sounds cool.
It really fricking hard to beat Ted Kennedy in PWH on Normal.
You can get Kennedy?
I find it impossible to beat Chisholm even on Easy.
You have to literally frick everything up as Nixon to get Kennedy to run. Don't ratfrick, don't go to China, go all in on Vietnam.
I do that and I get Wallace.
I played 1930 Weimar, and Hitler died of a drug overdose in 1956 after spending his career in the opposition.
>doesn't post a link
Pottery.
Type 1930 into the plebbit, it'll bring up the code document that you can copy and paste into the mod loader. Fricking device didn't want to put it in cause it would get the site banned in Germany or some shit.
Wow, looks like a schizo game.
It's pretty fun, and it can get real out there depending on the scenario. That George Romney series where he runs in 68 and in 72 is interesting.
2000N and 2000 Bateman are works of art too. 2000N is a nice deconstruction, but you need to have played quite a few campaign trails and get used to the usual feel of thing before you enjoy it to it's fullest.
what's your favorite 2000N route? I like the Nunn kingdom of god stuff even though it's probably the least subtle of all the routes
Specter's mask of the red death is cool, but I really like Sam Nunn's 'End of history' ending(s). The mod author really found out how to strike that theme of 'Liberal democracy is the end state'
I don't know which is a bigger meme Wallace or Long.
Wallace. Long had a legitimate chance before he got shot, Wallace would have just made Nixon even more paranoid and drunk if he deadlocked the Electoral College
litteral troony lover made game
Are you talking about that guy who has multiple self insert mods and has one of the custom headers for the website just be his fursona?
no the main dev is a troony lover
Dan Bryan?
Guessing this is referring to ItsAstronomical
>litteral
litteral third wordler post
Sea to Shining Sea is pretty cool but way too easy to cheese.
You just need to set the sliders on fundraising and hire get the good rng and debate advisors and you should be set.
What mods you guys like and consider the best, dislike and consider the worst?
The Pre-Civil War era mods are the ones I like the most due to how underused they are as scenarios. That said I've gotten pretty sick of all the 1968-1972 althis mods by this point, even if a lot of them are good. As for the worst, it the one's that show an obvious bias and are basically just really obvious on how to win due to being basically railroaded.
I always found Rockefeller 76 both underdeveloped and slightly unrealistic.
The Bernie / Hillary 2016 Primary scenario is the first user-made scenario that hasn't made be cringe with extremely poor writing, superficial strategy, typos, and the distinct whiff that it was created by either a 16 year old or an ESL. Good mod.
>hasn't made be cringe
>typos
fricked up, now im gonna kill myself
Were both carter and Hoover really incompetent?
Hoover was more like someone in the wrong place wrong time, if he had been elected any year prior he would be considered a good president. Carter just made the whole stagflation thing of the 70s worse with his policy, which could've been handled way better (no fricking Malise speech or the Hostage frick up)
What would had happened if pic related occur?
The House of Representatives elects the president
In 1992 the democrats held 258 seats to the Republican 176
Moreover Clinton won the plurality of the popular and electoral vote here
So Clinton becomes President
t. guy who paid attention in 6th grade civics class
Couldn't Perot make a deal with Bush?
I think so.
no
constitutional law explicitly says, if no candidate gets a majority of electoral votes, the house of representatives votes for president
Each state delegation votes en bloc, with each having a single vote
The democrats held majorities of representative seats in the majority of states, and an overall majority in the house as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections#/media/File:1992_US_House_of_Representatives_Election_by_States.svg
the democrats in the house would obviously elect their own guy
secondly, what 'deal' would that be? what are you talking about? they can't just combine their electoral votes and say 'we win actually' that's not how it works
>they can't just combine their electoral votes and say 'we win actually' that's not how it works
Do you have any proof?
Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution you fricking mongoloid moronic bottom-feeding fricking scum. fricking google it
>The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
>But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
Anon just say that you hate Perot.
have a nice day, you sovereign-citizen brained, completely alienated from society, incoherently rambling, "proofs???"posting, nojob, nowife, nokids, ESL, third world, twitter-brained, poor, incoherent piece of shit. In the real world there are objective procedures established by law which will be followed and you can't just make up a new fricking process and treat it as if it is true because that would sit better with your utterly failed, GED-having brain. You fricking pathetic scum, just an absolute troglodyte, looking at the world that your betters have created and being such a degenerate you cannot understand how it works. You're like those dark age illiterate gaullic tribesmen looking up at the aqueducts the Romans built a century earlier and wondering "What kind of a Giant could build a thing like that?" You cannot just make fricking shit up, and moreover, if you really wanted to know how the President is picked in the event of no-one getting an electoral college majority, any room-temperature IQ person would simply google it and read about the established procedures and processes put in place for exactly that scenario. They wouldn't stare at the fricking browser game and then get a chubby and start vibrating with rural poor hick laughter about le funny scenario in which le electoral votes just got arbitrarily combined. "Oh but they could just ... uhhhh ... work out a deal?" Frick you there is no fricking deal because the fricking Constitution lays out the fricking process you moron. Holy fricking shit, how on Earth did it not occur to you to Google what happens in the first instance, instead of shitting out another abhorrent post on this website to other toothless ESL third-worldies to get their also baseless, moronic speculation on how it could work. I hate you poors, you people are demented freaks, and I cannot believe we have to share a world with people who so unable to grapple with the modern world that WE, not YOU, created. Disgusting. FYAD
>immediately devolves into inane rambling about ESLs
you've escaped from your paradox game containment thread
go back
>/vst/ - Video Games/Strategy
holy shit lmao
hes correct though
>he
literally anyone can switch typing styles and pretend to be someone else, baka
Okay orange gorilla.
Too bad now Bush still president with Perot as Vice President.
>MLP
Okay and?
Theoretically speaking couldn't Perot simply have made a deal with Bush or Clinton to instruct his electors to vote for either before they convene in favor of some concessions? Pretty sure the Whigs planned to do something like that in 1836 by running 4 different candidates to appeal to regionalism while agreeing to sort out whom to actually vote for as President later.
What happened to TNO Yockey mod?
Guy privated the github page to rework it or something. Some people did save the code though if ypur looking for it.
where?
bump, cant find the code
>even tno offshoots aren't free from der rewoorker
What are the general mechanics of campaigning?? Is there a difference in results or impact between questions I answer in a single state, and my polling nationally? I've noticed that sometime when I campaign in a swing state, I barely influence my polling there while my polling nation wide starts to falter. What are key states to campaign in/which ones to miss
So basically what happened IRL with Carter, since Brown is likely to get just as fricked by the Oil Crisis and the Iran Hostage situation, and Reagan gets in in 1980.
I would think that the assassination would ruined his chances for the presidential candidacy.
What would his presidency even look like?
non-moron carter, still loses due to
Wouldn't it be Frank Church?
>Frank Church
Like Ted Kennedy and Lloyd Benston he's better off just being in either congress or senate.
Jello Biafra would lose his goddamn mind if that happened. Just look at the lyrics to "California Uber Alles".
That song has only gotten more hilariously dated as time has gone on, killer song like all DK's stuff though.
Also serious missed opportunity to call a President Brown alt hist scenario "Biafra's Nightmare"
Reminder that if that Ford was assassinated the democratic candidate would have been either Wallace or Udall.
Holy shit that's impressive. What were the tactics?
Visit Ohio about 7 times and Illinois about 6 and choose Mondale or Glenn.
Also for the last question choose Midwest also the link. https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/y6gg9f/443_evs_with_jimmy_carter_and_how_to_get_it_1976/?rdt=47643
Wouldn't he still lose in 1980 election?
Would Reagan even run again if this was the outcome?
HELLO THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL DISCORD YOU FOUND US, come join the comfy thread
Kys homosexual. No one cares
awh sweet a schizo thread for a game i make banners for
What would Rockefeller presidency even be like and how the 1980 election even go?
I guess it would be a fiscally conservative liberal. Depending on how Rockerfeller handles the oil crisis an the Iran hostage crisis he gets renominated or primaried. The democrats run a moderate social conservative to oppose him if Rockerfeller runs in 1980.
So Lloyd Benston/Joe Biden vs. Ronald Reagan/John Connally.
Can't wait for the Dems to lose AGAIN in the Red series because plebbit keeps voting for hard, nationally unelectable progressives in primaries during the late 50s and 60s. Brilliant move dipshits.
those stupid fricking Black folk should have elected fulbright, but no muh heckin mackarino
What's the RED series? and how much taylor swift is required to get into it?
It's a althis series of elections starting in 1948 where FDR kept Henry Wallace as his VP. It's right now going through the 1960 Democrat audience-run primaries after the Dems have canonically gotten their shit kicked in 3 times because they keep nominating candidates who are too progressive for the time, and it looks like they might do it again because reddit is fricking obsessed with "le wholesome librul". If you want to play it go here and press the 1940s-1950s button, it has all the currently playable elections.
https://campaign-trail-showcase.github.io/campaign-trail/index.html
Is this the one where the Soviets are more powerful and achieve more?
I think they have Northern Japan cause Wallace didn't use the Atom Bomb on Japan, but I could be wrong. China's and Korea and a bit different if I recall though, so it's a mixed bag.
I seriously don't understand what they saw in a one-term governor who lost his gubernatorial reelection primary by a landslide in real life.
The can't even larp as someone from the 1950s/1960s at all. They will always back someone who is the closest to what they believe today, they cannot play pretend at all.
Either way Reagan flopped, and Fullbright's delegates larpers made a deal with the Eastland delayed larpers because Mansfeild and Austin refused to play ball like morons and thought they had more influence than they did after the primary deadlocked.
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16n6g2m/1960red_democratic_convention_final_results/
He has a better chance to win but it's being hinted that the mod maker might have Bobby Kennedy run third party. Either way he's also said he's might stop doing these since he gets flamed by people who literally cannot understand that Larping as someone doesn't mean you actually support shit.
Jesus
It's amusing at how fricking invested some of the plebbiters got into it, to the point they accused both the discord head and plebbit mod of being racist segregationists because they didn't want a Progressive Reagan. It's like that one guy who writes out a fricking book for his characters backstory, except cringe since they all act like they're actual 1950s Civil Rights Activists despite it being a fricking browser game that simulates US presidential elections with multiple choice questions. Quit taking shit seriously.
For anyone who doesn't belive this, read the comments her to see the spillover
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16mxu5z/the_1960red_democratic_convention_has_deadlocked/
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16muwfp/1960red_democratic_convention_day_seven/
The other days were posted by the same dude, it's just as fricking rabid at how they are fine with not having a competitive election with an interesting candidate and just try to run the most progressive guy even if he's unelectable.
The modmaker of Red is smart though, he's making a "Blue" series where Wallace won in 1948 to appease them
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16nrgzd/announcing_the_first_red_spinoff_mod_1952blue/
It has Wallace up for reelection against the Liberal Republican Thomas Dewey, all le wholsum liberals. Can't wait to see how this goes.
the mod maker is an uber-liberal. hes just trying pivot to a liberal wank now that fulbright won the convention. ive heard 1960Red is planned to be permanently delayed
Really? Shame, I though Fullbright was going to get his shit kicked in by Lodge (which would be funny), or if he won he gets JFK'd and Mansfeild passes the CRA and sweeps '64 like LBJ.
No, I made that up.
Well good work.
>ive heard 1960Red is planned to be permanently delayed
Sucks, the premise was pretty cool, but leaving it off on a MCarthy win is pretty awsome even if he kicks it. It basically means McCarthyism is mainstream enough to continue into the 60s, which would be a pretty interesting idea since McCarthy is looked on more favorably since he won the Presidency and was in office for a year. You'd probably see some Civil Rights McCarthyist yelling how we need to pass the CRA or else the Reds could use race against us or some shit, would be pretty fricking funny.
The modman is actually a pretty bland "moderate conservative" who loves Reagan and Jefferson and hates FDR
Now he's trying to say he's super right wing because he took a political compass test lol
>"TRUST ME GUYS IM A REAL CONSERVATIVE I'M BASICALLY WILLIAM BUCKLEY!"
>loves reagan and jefferson
literally the most bland fricking conservacuck imaginable
Does winning as Wallace in 1948Red depend on the two randomized questions? Even with Roosevelt Jr the best I ever managed was deadlocking it, It seemed like it was because I got unlucky with Stalin and the debate.
>all le wholsum liberals
Seems like the opposite. Wallace backs an Israeli invasion of Egypt and Dewey is fervently anti communist
I'm still trying to figure out what the Anti Fulbright faction was trying to do in the convention. Did they literally expect Fulbright's team to just give up and let them pick the nominee despite him having a plurality of delegates?
They dug their own grave like morons.
I don't know why people making mod sequels keep doing the open community convention vote things. Every one that I have seen happen, no matter the series, the people voting always lose their minds and end up attacking the mod creator.
What are your guys favorite mods?
What's the premise for time for choosing?
Nixon doesn't run in 68, Reagan runs instead and wins canonically. Shortly after, a Sino-Soviet war breaks out, along with the ROC invading mainland China.
Unironiclly modmakers need to just stop having these "conventions", it seems they all devolved into a cluster frick where the modmaker gets shit on because someone who's stanning a dead guy is mad he didn't win.
In TFC's case it's pretty transparently engagement bait. I think Tom (RED creator)'s deal is that he want to create some sort of polsim game. I was in his dicksword server for the last convention of his though, and it was a clusterfrick.
I seems like it's causing more trouble than it's worth if it results in driving content creators away from what they're making.
Tom's actually actively running a poll series on his dicksord that's like a /qst/ type thing.
People are sperging out about it on a daily basis
FYI that "poll series" (set in the XIX century, started before the civil war, currently on the middle of it past 1864) has a troon larping as a white supremacist
>troon larping as a white supremacist
not sure if based or cringe
That sounds like a ticking time bomb that's about to go off. Guess Red won't be going up to 76 then.
The poll series is actually quite fun.
Just before the Civil War, we elected a guy named George Law to the presidency, then we went to Madrid to buy Cuba, but we ended up seducing a local Spanish countess instead.
We didn't manage to buy Cuba, by the way.
Because of this, the president got impeachment proceedings against him, we dropped him out of the race, his VP went on to run as the Democratic running mate, and George Law went on to run as the Know-Nothings candidate, winning two states, while we nominated two completely different people to run for our party.
I've always wondered if the US annexed Northen Mexico like Polk wanted and the Whigs split California in two to keep the original Missouri Compromise in place (No slave states above the 36 30' latitude line), that it would keep the slave/free state balance be kept long enough for gradual emancipation to become prevalent enough that slavery dies out without a civil war is possible. It always seem like an interesting idea, like how would the political landscape be with not only extra states, but no internal conflict taking place at all?
uh wait are these people actually larping as dead politicians on reddit lol
rather dead than alive ones.
I ain't joining your obama rp club.
you've never met a model UN kid have you
It's more like Larping as delegates for dead politicians to run as President in whatever year the mod takes place in, since a lot take place prior to the changes the parties in the US made to their primary system. Considering how the whole US Party System works with how parties are historically ideological coalitions, it can lead to interesting shit if the people involved can actually play pretend and want things to be interesting instead of LARPing out their political wankfest.
Well it wouldn't be 'live action role playing' if it's online, now.
Just RP'ing.
My favorite part is where you kidnap Martha
the TCT discord find us again every few days and their reaction is incredulous every time, sad!
please shut the frick up about the discord you moronic homosexual
please post their reaction lmao
sensible chuckle
Mack lost to McCarthy, so it's not like we were wrong. The 40s/50s aren't the 60s, if you want to win you need to run someone who the electorate will like at that decade.
Yeah, Midnight 64 is really good and 65 is really well written, it's a damn shame the dude basically got pushed out due to clique bullshit. Hopefully he allows one of his helpers to work on '68 so we can at least get something, it's a good althis scenario.
It seems like this is the second big modmaker this has happened to now. The guy who made the Joseph Smith and Paul the Apostle mods got seemingly pushed out too.
If I recall it's one of the main reasons Campagin Trail Showcase fork got made; the main site coder shittalked the Paul the Apostle mod and insulted the maker of it, causing the guy to leave temporarily and request all his mods get taken down (which were a lot), which lead to CTS being made by someone else so it could host his mods. They've supposedly made up since all the mods are back, but I feel the NCT site owner is still mad that his attempts a being creative didn't land as well, so he's pushing the "academic" mods because that's what he's good at as the standard that everyone should be following so he doesn't get shown up.
Do you have any proof?
Here
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/15n3oa0/pulling_away/
Turns out he's also behind the Red Series too.
Wrong guy, this is the Paul dude
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/155xfmc/tex_mod_repository/
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/155zfaz/permission_from_tex_to_make_a_1796_redux/
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/16bnu0m/campaign_trail_showcase_directly_integrated_into/
Or at least posts about it. I can't find the original post talking about it, but the main discord has definitely formed into a clique with a supiority complex.
>The dudes mod were directly integrated into CTS after he took them off NCT
Interesting.
Do you feel bad for him?
If an asshurt code monkey who's shit at writing is going to drive off creative modmakers out of spite, I'm not going to be pleased. Midnight 68 was looking to be a good sequel and these frickers basically harassed the modmaker to stop. Bet you Viva Kennedy 72 is going to be revealed to be canceled too.
I unironically was checking plebbit daily waiting for Midnight 68 to come out. It's really irritating that the best piece of fiction the game has produced to date got cancelled because of a pretentious group of literal children with a sekrit club mentality.
Same, it was something i was legit lookong forward too, the scenario was cool and i liked the writing. Garfeld should've done what
did and just set up his own server on his own since it's obvious certain people are jealous that they can't write as good and then try to claim mods should be more "academic" to cope about it.
oh, so that means its actually three people they've done this to know lol
>tfw you're so mad other are better at writing than you, you decide to harass them to quit making mods
Lol he's gonna kill his game if he does this.
Tom is still making shit related to the RED (and now BLUE spin-off) series except he's hiding in his own discord
Good for him, why be on a discord full of homosexuals who don't like what you do?
Why not be in a community of like-minded people.
That is if you need a community, if I was making a mod, I wouldn't have a server, I'd just make the mods
anyone else wanna watch gay sissy porn
https://www.hypnotube.com yea here
Enough with all of this, when's the next Nixon mod coming out? Some of those Peace with Honor ending could be they're own stuff.
I believe they're working on one where Nixon legalizes gay sex in the 1970s and gets gangbanged by several of the Watergate plumbers.
Fricking based, incumbent Goldwater in 1968 would be a kino mod.
I got news for you pal
Midnight is a series I've followed closely, and I'm looking forward to midnight68. The idea of Goldwater beating Kennedy and having to deal with all of the shit that happened between 64-68 is interesting. I wonder who the Dems would run against him?
Why is the series called Midnight?
George Lincoln Rockwell gets into the mix and deadlocks the election
The dexcut is ending.
> there is no logical reason to believe that
And yet it is the truth
> they have no motive to do that since people bought the games anyways
And yet they will do
> anti bbnd copy-paste
Chadyes.jpeg to question asked
> cope
Cope based off the truth
>those open tabs
>those bookmarks
you cant be a real person
>no gay sex with hats on
What a gay.
What would Carter's second term even look like?
How'd you win that? I've been unable to won as Hart in normal, the controversy question kills me.
Everyone what’s the scenario you’d want covered? Real or fictional
1788 Four way election due to Washington dying during the war for independence.
Which one?
The question where the accusations comes up again, it ranks my polls that are already narrow. Also what VP are you using? I'm using Dale Bumpers since the others seem trash.
I pick John Glenn for the pic in question.
I choose the following.
>"It's claimed that this 'incident' occurred several months ago, but why is it only being revealed now?"
Not OP but the Hispanic guy with a big focus on campaign visits to Texas can win you Texas by a solid margin
Thanks.
Also how the frick does that new "Southern Victory in the CC" 2014 mod that's in beta work? I can't seem to copy the code 2 over to the mod loader.
Would Hart even be a good president?
>jajaja wey
What?
your autocorrect changed Horatio to "Hornito"
Fricking someone needs to do the 1856 election or an 1860 redux thats more fleshed out and where we can play as all 4 candidates. As for fictional, an 1867 CSA election (The CSA had a six-year presidental term with no re-elections allowed) with a Democrat Robert E Lee (because duh) up against a Whig candidate of your choosing.
1936 election Kaiser Reich.
Kaiserreich has no depth, TNO works because the political aspect is a major part. KR's election is just picking a name on the event.
Would an Elective Monarchy US be more interesting?
Sounds neat, maybe some questions could be battles over what state votes for Emperor.
Who would the candidates?
The candidates would be George Washington, Hornito Gates, Fredrick Henry Louis (Prince of Prussia), Prince Fredrick (Duke of York and Albany) and Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette
>Hornito Gates
jajaja wey
2020 single player election
>Steven Armstrong for President.
1948 MacArthur.
I'd love a sequel to the 1993 Post Communist USA one, or just more scenarios around that same vein.
This, but with the map made right. Someone is making something like this, but the dude fricked up the map for some reason really badly, and has made the internal lore a bit contradictory (The US here is more openly conservative, but Margret Chase Smith was a President?). Either way the dude has Lipinski's side up for beta and he has made it somewhat interesting, but is still fricking it up with bad decisions.
This is the in game map; as you can see, it's pretty fricked design wise. Also, he changed some state names too that's just weird (the Txas divide is just fricking odd)
Basically, someone save this excellent scenario from somebody who is just butchering it for some weird reason.
Hey I'm reworking this mod with the original creator besides the kinda odd lore what other problems did you have? (also the guy who made that map is the same as the guy who made the mod)
My biggest issue right now is the lore and map; The map really needs to fixed, as the current one in-game is too odd and historically implausible unlike the original map (Texas would never consent to being divided if it joined, California's split should have the southern split be name Colorado and the Northern one stick with California like it was originally suggested during the Missouri Comprimiese negotiations, etc.)
As for the lore, if this is suppose to be a more conservative/right wing United States like it said in the original post, there really shouldn't be any historical female presidents pre-2000s (especially considering how OTL is like) ; Really show the fact that this world's US is one where the Southern Planter class had enough influence to not only annex Northern Mexico and Cuba, but cause the NORTH to go for succession. Not like it's some dystopia (the People's Party and Whigs are liberals obviously) but that some positions that fly in 2010 OTL wouldn't fly ITTL 2010 and it should be very risky if you're going to be extremely socially liberal.
I would suggest maybe changing the People's Party name since it's obvious a merger between a lot of Western parties happened here (Prohibition, Free SIlver, etc.); maybe the Patriot Party or Populist Party, but that's not super important. Also, Northern Mexico would've been annexed in 1830s; I highly doubt that the whole assimilation/nationalist issue would be a thing with all the American settlers moving into the then-less populated newly annexed territory by 2014, that issue would be irrelevant by then. There should be a bigger focus on Isolationism vs Interventalism, as well as Economic and Trade. Immigration should have a heavier focus too.
I will say I liked the coalition idea he made, and I would also suggest expanding the question count a having the first 5-10 question explain what the frick is going on, or add a second slide with the global situation so we know what's going on.
I know Lipinski personally and would be willing to talk to the creator for the purposes of the mod
1920 campaign
That's out already though.
2024 election with Chris Chan, Andrew Tate, Kayne West, and MatPat.
Get Tariq Nasheed in there too. Or give him his own mod.
Campaign under the US articles of the confederation.
How would that even fricking work? Their wasn't even a Federal Goverment, forget a Presidency.
Pretty sure they had the President of Congress.
So it would be negotiating with State Reps to get their vote for President of Congress? I feel it could work if you wrote it well enough.
1996
Vice President Ross Perot runs for his own presidency.
Gerald Ford dies.
Before or after becoming president?
After.
Pretty sure there's a mod called 1976 Rockefeller.
1976 Reagan, I just think it'd be neat
That's an option already available on the site itself
1980 election with either John Connally or George Bush ad the republican candidate.
Maybe 1976 with Connley instead of Ford, since Nixon really wanted him as his successor and VP pick after Angew got dropped.
US choosing a candidate for the monarchy.
2024 election
Melania Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala D. Harris, and Nikki Haley
Pretty sure isn't anon.
>Pretty sure isn't anon.
Try again, in English?
Wanna reeducate yourself in the English language.
2024 US election with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Greta Thornburg, Elon Musk, and Piers Morgan Or 1976 election as Hubert Humphrey.
>2024 US election with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Greta Thornburg, Elon Musk, and Piers Morgan
what headcanon/divergence point is this
Taking the 2016 Arnold mod premise where
The 28th Amendment was ratified making presidential and vice presidential candidates no longer have to be natural-born citizens. Also I made four candidates to make things interesting.
I'd love a Star Wars scenario about Palpatine's rise to power, becoming chancellor as an early skill check and, if passed, his actions during the clone wars and consolidating power to become emperor. The Palpatine 2000 scenario is fun, but in-universe it'd be even more fun.
>conventional politics mixed with behind the scenes Sith scheming
I would play it.
I think I heard someone was making something like that.
1960 election as Joseph Kennedy Jr.
1976 Jefferson vs Hamilton.
Get elected for Soviet Leadership.
80's election where ford wins 76 election.
1917 Russian election.
>only one British mod
I am starved
There's some more in the works I've heard, but I'm not sure when they'll come out.
what's your favorite answers?
>Isn't Eisenhower a lemonhead?
>What
>entire map goes yellow
The November ending is the best.
Does anyone still have the code for that Yockey mod?
Nope.
Why play a game to simulate democratic fiction?
How this affect the 80's and 90's both domestic and international?
US doesn't abandon the Shah of Iran, for one thing.
There's actually a book of US electoral "What-if" scenarios by Jeff Greenfield called "Then Everything Changed" which includes this scenario.
I read that book, it was alright.
I like my political alternate history to be shorter, and funnier.
What's your favorite story?
NTA but I like "Suppose they gave a peace"
Thoughts on 1972TFC? It feels undercooked to me
I played as Frank Church and felt the questions were a bit too easy.
Seems barebones.
Honestly part of me thought it's simplicity was a breath of fresh air
This is BULLSHIT. I knew I should have campaigned in Illinois
If you're playing Bryan you need to start with "fiercely pro-silver, but moderate other positions"
That's basically the only way to win
Does anyone know how to get 315 votes as Williams in 1956red?
Is there a way to get all the states?
Midnight 1968 is canceled I think, or at least the dude whose making it is stopping wok on it due to how "negatively, idea overlap and higher standards" combined with the feeling that a group of "elite" modmakers only praise academic style mods made by those in their inner circle basically made him give up.
It's sad. The concept was very interesting and was written amazingly. I hope someone in the future picks up what remains and finishes it.
>work on thing for years
>give up
Fricking pathetic
morons on reddit ruin the best mod series this game has ever seen. Shameful, but predictable.
It's sad how there's been this sort of "inner circle" of modmakers that's been forming over time.
I swear they've held a grudge since 2000N got rightly called out as pretentious bullshit, and have tried to basically quash every creative althis mod in favor of "academic" mods out of spite. There's a reason the Red series isn't as prevalent on either the plebbit or "main discord'
200N was based, though.
It was pretentious as frick and nearly impossible to navigate in order to get the endings with how bland the question writing was. And I know it was on purpose, but that doesn't make it any less bland and not engaging.
When you need to release a separate word document to explain what your mod is about that's for a web browser election simulator, you've fricked up.
Decstar is a c**t, that bastard should be locked away in codemonkeying the site away in a vault, while letting the rest of the modders who are actually passionate about something mod.
Tom pretty blatantly wants to keep stuff about his mod on his private server. I don't blame him.
>Decstar
That's the dudes name, he shittalked the Apostle mod dude and ran him off, causing the CTS fork to be made right? I wonder if he was also talking shit about Midnight's creator and that's why he left.
Decstar deserves all the credit in the world for making an easy mod loader, but the guy is a major prick. He's probably like 17, so it's somewhat excusable, but it's annoying to see him running good creators away with his bullshit.
One dude a cabal does not make so there's definitely more people out there to blame
Are there mods that you wish were completely finish?
Why is there so much scenarios about both 1968 and 1972 US election?
because muh Nixon
Most interesting time in US political history in the middle of a massive realignment where both major parties had conservative and liberal wings. Also just a very busy time in general with national events.
People are completely obsessed with Nixon for some bizzare reason. Wow, a corrupt politician. How quaint! Yawn.
>obsessed with Nixon
Prove it.
Could reversed elections be interesting for mods? (for example, McGovern is the president in 1972 and Nixon is running against him)
Is the site dead?
Has the creator said anything about the next scenario yet?
Tips for trump 2020 as an euro?
Pennsylvania and the lakes states are fricking unwinnable
No.
But here's a tip on the English language.
The usage of 'an' instead of 'a' is only for when it is preceding a vowel sound. Not necessarily when it is preceding a vowel.
Meaning that words like 'Euro' do not need an 'an' (as the word is pronounced yur-o) and 'Hour' which does not begin with a vowel, is preceded by 'an' (as hour is pronounced as ow-er)
Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/wacu4l/trump_2020_impossible_guide/?rdt=61184
This is RFK 1972?
No it's 1980b (Ted) Kennedy Primaries Carter
I figured Ted would be unelectable around 1980.
yeah the murder really soured people on his candidacy even before you get into his pinko communism
Never understood the fixation of Ted.
Me either. RFK and JFK I can get, but Ted is weird. I did have an idea for a sequel to 1972d where its 1976 and you have Ted Kennedy vs Spiro Angew with Gus Hall third party running again, with you either try to win some states as Hall as both Ted's murder coverup and Angews corruption come out, or as the two main party candidates trying to outplay the other 2 by sabotage and surviving your own scandals. Maybe even toss in some other candidates for maximum clusterfrickery.
>Maybe even toss in some other candidates for maximum clusterfrickery.
How many are we talking about?
I would say it depends on what happens during the election, probably involving CYOA stuff. Like if it goes all sideways, you can have another Dixiecrat/Right wing split to make it a 4 way, or maybe a more moderate liberal split from both the Reps and Dems due to the revealed corruption of Angew and Ted changing it to a 5 way slugfest. Would even make it viable for Hall or the Dixiecrat to win at that point.
Seriously, the set up of 1972d is great for making a electoral mess in a hypothetical 1976d with a lot of twists and turns; Ted Kennedy is put up to calm down the surging New Left, Angew is trying to handle the after effects of Watergate while trying to get re-elected, dealing with shit like the Weather Underground and holding his party together, and Hall as well as other extremists are looking to use every angle to try and win a state, or maybe even deadlock the election by dragging out all of the skeletons in everyone's closet. Would be a kino clusterfrick.
Have you guys played 64 Jackson mod?
I've heard they are finally finishing McClellan side for 1864.
Finally, been a long time since the Lincoln side came out.
Cursed but more realistic than any McGovern win.
You can select the hardcore segregationist option and still handily beat McGovern in PWH.
Probably realistic
the autism from those tabs and bookmarks is palpable.
In case you care. Gore 88 scenario is out now.
how many schizo options are there?
Surprisingly good scenario from a modmaker I wasn't familiar with. Won with John Glenn on my first try.
What would their presidency look like?
scoop would just be LBJ 2.0 but with no fricking charisma, would probably get universal muttcare passed though
>universal muttcare
Is that good?
unless you're a moron who wants a $100,000 medical bill, yeah
Wasn't the universal health care different in the 70's and 80's then what Obama pass?
obama didn't pass universal healthcare, he passed effectively a series of regulations and subsidies and a (mostly non-functional) website to find a provider. The version proposed in the 70s was actually universal.
phew, Americans dodged a bullet then.
t. Britbong
There's a 1980 mod with Hubert Humphrey as the candidate that just came out. The concept is interesting, with Watergate never being found out and Connally winning the 1976 election .
Did you beat it and if so how?
I mostly went full liberal but supported whatever happened in Iran. But I think that you're coded to win unless you somehow get all the answers wrong.
The mod mentions Connelly being vice president, so either Nixon swapped Agnew out in 1972 or Agnew resigned and he wasn't replaced by Ford.
Connelly being VP would be the only way he could become president given that otherwise Reagan would be too popular for any non-incumbent to beat him
Angew got kicked out before Watergate got out because of his own scandal, and the RNC at the time forced Ford on Nixon, who wanted Connally. If Watergate never got out, Nixon probably would've either pushed harder and had Connally as VP since there was no worries about Watergate getting out or backed him during the 76 primary over Ford to spite the House.
I wonder how much you can fail as Humphrey, since that last question give you such a boost.
Does traveling to states make any difference?
Yes, actually, it gives a little boost. This is what I got by only visiting Texas while giving the worst answers I could choose, used Askew as VP; turns out you can get Hall to win DC if he gets 3% of the vote
The Dems might actually collapse after that, 3 landslide losses repeatedly and losing DC to an actual communist is fricking brutal. Would be interesting to see what happens after that outcome.
Wouldn't the Republican's implode due the scandal?
Depends if the investigation has enough support and political weight behind it. Connally might be able to spin it as just an attempt to spite him due to 3 landslide losses, and add on that Hall won electoral votes due to the whole New Left problem, Connally has a lot of political capital to use to try and clog up any investigations. I could see him at least avoiding impeachment, even if he might not be as "clean", and Hall and the New Left would be used to take heat off him I think.
I think that becomes the end of the two party system.
It's more likely the Dems wind up like the Federalists in the First Party System and are basically a permanent minority party before slowly dying off, and then the Reps collapses from having their "big tent party" grow too big and split again.
>split again
How big of a split are we talking?
>How big of a split are we talking?
If we're going off of the idea of this timeline is from the screencap, the post-Nixon Era would basically be a replica of the First Party system (where the Democrat-Republicans won consistently in large margins while the Federalists stay a semi-regional minority party who are unable to win general elections) where would be the Republicans as the big tent-party while the Democrats are the minority party, the split would be similar to what happened after the Federalists quietly died off in 1820 and the D-Rs collapsed in 1824 into the Democrats and Whigs.
Basically the Democrats would probably slowly die off as the New Left dont like the conintued failure of the Dems and join leftist third parties (CPUSA, DSA, Black Panthers, etc.), while the Republicans moderate on some Old Left policy and eat into the pro-New Deal side, eventually leading to the Dems quietly dying and the Republicans collapsing into two new parties.
>two new parties
So basically the two party system will endure? Also what would be the name of the new parties in question?
Probably, the way the electorial college is set up, a big tent party is the best way to win. This is why the Federalists lost; they stayed too ideologically static, and they died off because of that. Every party that came after followed a "big tent" strategy of the D-R's where you have different wings so you can be flexible to win general elections despite a changing political field.
Tom got carpal tunnel syndrome and so 1952 Blue and 1960 Red will be delayed
Do people actually like American politics?
This is the most boring VGH WHAT COVLD HAVE BEEN...-ing I've ever seen.
It's quite surprising how much skulduggery and wild shit US politics has when you look into the pre-Reagan/Bush era. Even the Gilded Age has some crazy suff that happened with corruption, there's a surprising amount of plausible AltHis scenarios you can set up and some OTL elections had some things that you wouldn't expect.
Jesus frick that Daylight 64 is horrendous. It's the most boring, blandest, plainest, mod to ever grace that loader, but those annoying redditors hyping the mod like if it is the mod saved modding itself with its superior writing and coding.
>IT'S LIKE A DAN BRYAN SCENARIO, BUT THE QUESTIONS ARE SCHIZO SCRAMBLED. IT'S SO HECKING GOOD AND SIMPLE. 100000/100000
Frick off.
What I don't like is you can't even win on cakewalk. Midnight 64 for the first half gave me a better feel for the 1964 election before it went off the rails.
Does anybody have the Chris-chan 2012 codes? The docs have expired and I dunno where to find them. Liquid Chris is broken as VP on the loader and I wanted to try him out.
>if the communist party just whined about vietnam 24/7 they would win millions of votes and multiple EVs
1972d is the gayest mod ever made. It is absolutely not a surprise that TNOgays wrote it.
Hayden and his students connection apparently get better results than Kovic, and even then the "historical" result is just DC going to Hall in protest, which I can believe considering how leftist it is and how bad Connally would be going up against Nixon in 1972
Historical result is DC (probably) and around 3 million votes, which is still completely ridiculous. The best voter turnout that the communist party received was 100 thousand during the great depression. And DC is pretty left leaning sure, but its not lefty enough to go for Hall.
The real problem is that the way the mod is set up doesn't make Hall's incredible results believable. Its legitimately difficult to fail. You can run an absolutely schizophrenic campaign where you make insane remarks that nobody agrees with (like making George Wallace out as a working class hero) and still get at least a million votes. The only concept the mod makers seemed to believe in is all publicity is good publicity, and of course new left = good.
From what I've read, Hall and the CPUSA in our timeline basically shunned the New Left completely and stuck to what worked for them since the depression. The mods logic is if Hall decided to at least adopt ANY New Left policy during the 70s, he'd get at least more votes than he did OTL. This is why the Old Left VP is the worst to run with and doesn't get you to the 3%; the whole point is the only way to win is to tap into the New Left.
Also if the DNC conpletely spited the McGovernites and nominated John Connally, something they would have been beyond moronic to do
72D is fine as a thing to playthrough, but it obviously ignores that - if 1972 was Nixon v Connelly - there would just be a mainstream liberal third party.
Like Eugene McCarthy or some independent liberal would just run, and they'd get the support. Not Gus Hall
Well, the modmaker RouteVenus also wrote a mod that made Nixon the evilest motherfricker around who could flaunt the law to completely destroy his opponents. They probably assumed that Nixon would destroy the mainstream third party liberal candidate.
Speaking of which, W. is PWH but better since it's less abstract.
>flaunt the law
FLOUT the law. "Flaunt" means to show off
W is great since the mechanics are so much more in depth and realized then the simple binary choice CYOA that PWH is.
There's hidden counters which count things like jingoism, congressional reputation, and public opinion, which can all alter the results of various answers.
This makes it so much more dynamic and fun in comparison to PWH.
And PWH was already good.
How do you successfully invade Iraq? I chose the options that send the intelligence on Saddam to Congress and it still fails
You need high "congressional reputation" or high "jingoism"
>CongRep you gain by distancing yourself from Lott's congress, having Danny boy give the SotU, and you spend it by passing the legislation (tax cuts and social security reform)
>Jingoism can be increased by having Ari give the SotU, invading Afghanistan successfully, and doing the NYT leak and massaging congress egos.
If you don't want to go into Afghanistan or have Ari give the SotU, then you shouldn't do one of the legislations.
That way you should have enough support to get into Iraq.
Also, never defend Danny boy when he's in trouble. Either leave him on his own for more CongRep or hold hearings about his allegations for more Presidential Credibility (the third of the four hidden stats in W)
The other three being the aforementioned Jingoism and CongRep as well as the 'wins' mechanic which determines opponent
Wait, sorry I got one thing wrong.
It's not Ari's SotU which increases Jingoism, that's Frum's
When the hell is 2020 MAGA coming out?! I'm losing my patience.
>YET ANOTHER FRICKING TALENTED MODDER (Neo) WAS DRIVEN OUT
Prove it.
What is there to prove? He did a "this community is toxic" speech, and then said he was leaving and never coming back
This game's modding scene devolving into literal children forming cliques and bullying others they don't like is really sad.
Fricking seriously? What mods did he make, I want to know who he made assmad.
He was on the Al Gore 88 team and a few others I believe
>Al Gore 88
Is it any good?
How many modders has it been now? Four?
There's the Red series guy, the Morman dude, and Midnight Series lead who the clique got assmad at and pushed off. If this Neo guy (who I've never heard off) is true, that 4 people the NCT guys have driven off, with 2 stopping modding all together
The red series guy is still active, it's just that he went back to his server
Idk how but the Mormon mod dude came back to the main site
So they drove about 4 people off, but 2 have at least came back to mod but in their own spaces away from the codemonkey.
Did the code monkey insult someone else again?
Wait. Is the browser questionaire really the entire game?
Takes me straight back to the early 2000's lmao, very based.
The Swift 2028 mod isn't working, anyone got a link to it's pastebin?
Apparently TFC 76 candidate description was copypasted from Wikipedia.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/s/l0RHmF9ueN
>the TFC dude deleted his account because the clique swarmed him for using Wikipedia
Jesus Christ, not everyone can do 10 weeks of research and read the Biography of every dude. Let the guy make his mod.
>deleting your account because like three redditors found out you copied off wikipedia
What a b***h. It casts some serious doubt on the whole "clique" narrative when it gets applied to situations like this, where a mod maker is obviously just having a meltdown over facing some basic criticism.
You have to basically "apply" to get onto the modloader, and the NCT guys have set "standards" modmakers have to meet. Going off of the comments, he dfe'd because at least NCT would've possibly refused him (and might get rid of his mods, since he's apparently being accused of being a Republican simp or some shit).
>Going off of the comments, he dfe'd because at least NCT would've possibly refused him (and might get rid of his mods, since he's apparently being accused of being a Republican simp or some shit).
Major overreaction + persecution complex. Some redditors found out he copied off wikipedia in his toozer post. There was no risk of his previous mods being taken down, or even his new mod being refused access. Nobody ever brought up the possibility of either. Its just a modmaker being a sensitize gay and morons on here eating up drama.
>They drove off ANOTHER modmaker
Lol, lamo even.
I failed to see that problem of using Wikipedia.
So does that bring the tally up to 5 modders now?
God they're so smarmy about it
>plebbit learns what citing a source is off their favourite breadtuber and goes crazy with their new ‘intellectual’ toy for a few months
lmk when it’s over - really miss my sissy white boy humiliation subreddits
Literally who fricking cares?
It's not like he was charging money for his mod.
>the smug teenager clique ran off ANOTHER modmaker
Genuinely embarrassing. I hope the people behind the showcase site completely denounce and separate themselves from these clowns soon.
The 2020 MAGA preview looks fricking horrible.
>PWH but Trump
It was a dumb idea from the start. And now their preview shows that they can't even get Trump's voice right, which is practically the whole point of the mod.
Doing a VPW thing for Trump is dumb because no matter what Trump did, Biden would be his opponent.
The DNC were too afraid of Bernie or any progressive to let them in, and Buttigieg wasn't allowed to go further since after South Carolina, Biden was seen as the only opponent to Bernie.
I mean I guess if they really went alternate history and allowed Trump to go to war or something, maybe then Bernie wins or something. Even then.
Part of the appeal of Peace With Honor was the multiple options, but what would Trump do differently?
Like I guess COVID.
He could either go full lockdown, go full anti-lockdown, or play a middle path like he did in reality.
I mean I guess they could have it where if Trump goes full lockdown his opponent is an anti-lockdown democrat. Eh even then it would be Biden, he would just change his stance to appeal to the anti-Trump vote. But maybe you can say that in this case Buttigieg beats Bernie and Biden.
Maybe if he goes full anti-lockdown Trump faces against Andrew Cuomo.
And the middle path is Biden
Eh.
Frankly there are better presidents to do a PWH thing with.
>Frankly there are better presidents to do a PWH thing with.
Who, Clinton?
Carter probably
LBJ is a natural pick, he made a lot of key decisions and you could see that factoring into who he runs against.
Then, maybe Woodrow Wilson.
Maybe Grant or Calvin Coolidge.
The problem with Carter is that, no matter what he did, Reagan would have been the nominee in 1980.
He was the most popular Republican, almost able to unseat the sitting president in a primary race.
>LBJ is a natural pick, he made a lot of key decisions and you could see that factoring into who he runs against.
It was announced about a month ago that LBJ ‘68 is getting a PWH mod titled “Peace in the Balance”.
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Only 2 elections in and I'm already feeling like Atwater, fun little game.
It's pretty fun, and interesting what ypu canndo with it. Also the fact Pappy Bush just literally shittalked Dukakis so much that he won made me laugh.
What's your favorite election so far anon? I really like Peace With Honor, and the Red series has been pretty cool.
Been mostly doing the default scenarios since I'm pretty new to this, only briefly tried some mods like Gore '88, the Rockwell scenario and Germany '21 so too early to say for now. I got blown the Hell out as Ford in '76 so I want to retry that later this week, not too big of a fan when it comes to the wilder kind of alt. history scenarios but those seem pretty popular.
I hope this project continues to prosper despite all the Reddit drama and whatnot, it's a simple little thing but it does it's job a lot better than some of the other political campaign games I've tried out in the past, like The Political Machine or The Race for the White House.
I've read good things about The Political Process but that's still early access and that seems like it's more of a spreadsheet simulator kind of game that requires a deeper dive than these other games, so I'm probably sticking with this one for a while.
>Been mostly doing the default scenarios since I'm pretty new to this, only briefly tried some mods like Gore '88, the Rockwell scenario and Germany '21 so too early to say for now.
I strongly suggest 1972 Peace with Honor if you like those, it's Nixons side of the 1972 election, but a bit deeper since the mod starts before the election and lets you choose what policy decisions to make, which changes who you go up against depending on what you do.
>not too big of a fan when it comes to the wilder kind of alt. history scenarios but those seem pretty popular.
I can see that, some of them can be a bit out of there like the Alternative American Revolution or the Post-Communist USA; I prefer the more the ones that at least try to stay plausible even if they get a bit odd like Hart 88 or the 1968/1972 mods, or the No Listuana and 1916 Bryan series.
>I hope this project continues to prosper despite all the Reddit drama and whatnot, it's a simple little thing but it does it's job a lot better than some of the other political campaign games I've tried out in the past, like The Political Machine or The Race for the White House.
Same, I'm surprised how good a browser game is at simulating and elections, especially when the margins get close; it really sells you on how much luck goes into some of this stuff, and this is the closes thing that actually can give me that feeling. A lot of the other games don't sell that to you,
>I've read good things about The Political Process but that's still early access and that seems like it's more of a spreadsheet simulator kind of game that requires a deeper dive than these other games
I've heard of that, it sounds good but the spreadsheet stuff might kill it for me.
Also going off you taste I'd also recommend 1868, it's surprising how close it can be if you frick up the war effort. And it is possible to beat Carter as Ford in 76 too, you got got some bad RNG probably.
>Alternative American Revolution
NTA. Wish the guy would finish Thomas Paine already. Also how is the scenario a bit out there
>1868
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they've made a mod for that election yet
Yeah, I meant 1864.
If Seymour won we would be colonizing Alpha Centauri by now
What scenarios are you guys looking forward too?
The ones the RED team is working on, RED 1960 and BLU1952
I'm very surprised how little 1950s mods there are, given all the 60s and 70s mods, I'd definitely enjoy seeing more
I think because people don't really know many 50s politicians, and since the elections in that decade were so one sided in favor of Eisenhower that there's less interest.
Also the 50s were generally a calm time in America.
And despite that one could easily invent a tragedy to happen during them, people don't for some reason.
You have to take Eisenhower out of the Presidency for the 50s to be interesting outside of an educational standpoint. It can be done (see the Red series) but it has to be somewhat alternate history.
Uh. Notice anything strange? First playthrough, BTW.
DESTINY ARRIVES ALL THE SAME.
The presidents, by date of birth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/s/fZYr1ZJlQS
Thoughts?
That's a dubya
Is that real?
Spoilers for 2028.
Thoughts on the newly released 1776 mod?
Pretty cool, insulting people with the letter system can be funny.
Has someone beat it already.
So far the closest to IRL I've heard someone got us everyone buy South Carolina voting for Independence. Dickinson is a motherfricker and that planter weirdo is an butthole to get on board the independence train.
What is the strengths and weakness of this scenario do you see?
It's on the main site now.
Not quite sure what I did different.
Can't get a different ending.
I haven't really played since that commie mod was released, what drama happened with midnight?
>that commie mod
You mean 1972d?
yes
Enough of these release dates, stop fellating yourself and just release it when it's ready you useless homosexuals.
>1976Abyss had a release date of over two (2) months ago and the creator is still just pretending like they never announced that and getting pissy whenever anyone brings it up
That 2004 no 9/11 mod was made by "election twitter" leftists and it shows, 26 questions of nothing but seething about Bush and Conservatives, with CYOA, alternate candidates and a fancy 2000s Windows UI just to please the reddit morons.
First 1972d, then PHW and now this. I wonder what will be the next in the QuoProQuid (of course the bastard is TNO writer) saga of "THE RIGHT ARE LE BAD"? Maybe a mod where you play as L"iterally Satan" Reagan.
>Bush and Conservatives
Dubya was one of the most inoffensive presidents too. he wasn't the best but the mod feels like it was made by someone who voted for Gore in 2000 and never got over that loss.
play W on the showcase website it's broken as dogshit on the main site.
Played it, I like the design it has but the writing is fricking horrid. It feels like someone who never got over the 2000s made a wish fulfillment mod.
Yeah it's funny that redditors are praising it as "nostalgic", but I bet at least half the user-base was born after the Iraq War.
>"nostalgic"
Bush was a shit President (The Patriot Act was horrible and then there's everything about the Iraq War) but the mods feels like someone with a massive hateboner for him on a personal level made it. You can literally feel the seethe that Bush didn't get arrested for war crimes or something else that a John Stewart fan would believed was going to happen to Bush didn't happen and he served 2 full terms. Can't believe the Reagan mod so criticized while a literally wish fulfillment mod about bashing one dude gets praised
I think that was the point though, they wanted it to be written from the perspective of a seething liberal who thought the 2000 election was stolen.
The mod is what it says it is on the tin; it's an insane 2000s Liberal PoV mod. I don't see why that aspect of it is a problem. However I will say that the election Twitter detail is probably why the whole thing still has a noticeable element of mean-spirited seethe that bleeds through the irony. That community is full of wonderfully mentally special people, who are definitely incapable of not using every single bit of time someone is focused on their project to pontificate to them.
>make a mod to slander the Bushes
>heavily exaggerate how much HW disliked W
>people feel bad about GWB
tasked failed successfully
I've seen people there legit say they relate to GWB because of the writing too. If the idea was to make Dubya seem like an butthole they seemed to messed up.
He's not wrong about the Bush characterization and how this is basically a leftist wet dream. Surprised to see his gripes with PWH though, didn't expect that. I'm guessing this Alt-1996 mod is going to be an attempt to "correctly" do what they think PWH didn't do right.
Also they forget how much people were against gay marriage, it had to be passed by the Surpreme Court and not any legislation; that shit is entirely possible.
I mean, going against gay marriage in the game at the first opportunity means you gain decently in the polls.
Does he not know that the gay guy being murdered is literally just something which happened in real life?
Was Bush responsible?
No, I think the mod is implying that Bush was feeding into that hate.
Which I'm not sure is all that relevant.
I kinda like it.
It reminds me of when the world wasn't so shit.
lol I didn't think it was going to be this snide and blunt
Does the writer hate America?
Christ this mod is gay
Lol W's dev blatantly projecting his own daddy issues onto dubya is so pathetic.
SEGREGATION NOW, SEGREGATION TOMMOROW, SEGREGATION FOREVER!
White race status:Saved
Isn't this the guy who was extremely abused also wouldn't been assassinated before that he take office?
A problem I had with the W mod is that none of the scenarios addressed how Bush was advocating for an EU style government with Mexico and Canada but abandoned it after 9/11. They also didn't bring up immigration or amnesty which Bush was in favor of, but I guess it's easier to write scenarios about what already happened with some minor tweaks
Do you have any sources?
Well W starts after the 2002 midterms, which in the no 9/11 alternate history, give the dems control over congress.
So most older plans would have been scrapped already by that point.
This is a better ending for America than McGovern winning
W looks like a great mod. Sure hope the makers keep experimenting and pushing the limit of the campaign trail.
at any rate, what's the general pulse on 2000N?
>at any rate, what's the general pulse on 2000N?
It's pretentious and unfun.
It uses the CYA mechanics in the worst way, making it really hard to find any special ending (except maybe for the Christian ones for Nunn)
I suppose the kindest thing I can say about it, was that it led the way for more fun uses of its mechanics
>at any rate, what's the general pulse on 2000N
While technically impressive, with being the first mod with cyoa mechanics, the trash writing which is deliberately made to be dull and boring makes the mod a slog to play. This also makes it extremely opaque on how the cyoa mechanics work, so outside of Nunns Rapture endings you're relying on was is basically RNG to get the other endings, which is rough due to how unengaging the bland writing is. And I know it was a stylized choice to make it like that, but it still makes me want to not play the mod; dull writing, no matter the reason, is going to be a slog and not fun to read, which is important if repayablity is a big part of what you’re making.
I'm tired of that stupid Alzheimer's music they use in it
...
>Daily Wire extremist
What?
>foremost advocates of trans genocide
why do they insist on making milquetoast zioisraelite cuckservatives look good
I figured this would end up happening given the plebbit/discord are run by literal teenagers, but it's still very sad. And obviously moronic.
tom was always a pretentious moralgay but the the shitstorm blowing up like fricking
predicted was topkek
Why can they not go a single month without directly or indirectly kicking someone out.
Cause social media taught people that there's no backlash.
They don’t think of conservatives as people, just “baskets of deplorables”
Blame discord.
The Campaign Trail shouldn't have ever been a community, it should have remained a fandom and place where people shared mods and talked about them.
This happens all the time whenever Discord gets involved.
To make a pun, Discord always causes discord.
Also trannies.
For whatever reason, no matter the subject matter any Discord server will be 50% lgbtq. No matter what.
>protect our community members
How were they threatened at all lol
Why do they talk like this?
Ego. They think they're more important than they are, since modding a web browser game isn't something you can really brag about. So they try and talk like they're some major politician or some shit. It's why the have frickong elections for the plebbit mods and get angry when the audience participation convention doesn't have their favorite candidate win, they legit are putting it on participate with irl shit and "spreading a message".
RIP RED SERIES
For those who just arrived, Tom (of red fame) got outed as a mod for the daily wire and that said some no-good stuff on trans people, and there was some fallout.
His personal server is currently in full meltdown mode.
How important is the plebbit forum in the grand scheme of things?
Strongly dislike how some autists troon out and ruin their niche hobby for the other autists.
the plebbit forum is like the place where every modmaker goes to and posts announcements. Pretty much every single mod is trans or friends with one. Tom's main artist is trans, also the secondary coder that also made 2021 Germany...
Dude's FRICKED.
>Tom's main artist is trans, also the secondary coder that also made 2021 Germany.
Explains a lot about some mods.
I expect the quality to drop even harder now.
>His personal server is currently in full meltdown mode.
It seems he was banned from his own server.
I left out of protest after saying that no one should care about the political opinions of just some dude.
>It seems he was banned from his own server
I bet Red will be continued by the people still there too lol. Can't wait for it to collapse due to more drama over how they should write it since the main writer got kicked out.
That would be so hysterical if for some reason someone took it upon themselves to usurp it. I can't even imagine how they would go out of their way to warp it
Fullbright will beat Lodge in 1960, gets JFK'd in '63 and his Progessive VP (James Eastland) wins in '64. Either Eastland runs in '68 or RFK, who somehow beats obvious Dixiecrat split and Rep candidate. If RFK runs he gets 2 terms and wins in '72 and '76, if the Eastland runs his own Progessive vp runs in '72 (Probably Humphrey) who then also wins in '76.
So basically it turns from slight conservative wank to le wholesome progressive wank.
>I bet Red will be continued by the people still there too lol.
Yeah the rest of the team who worked on those mods say they will finish them. I'm not sure how well they will do that, or if drama won't discourage the,.
You've got to wonder why someone found out Tom was on the Daily Wire dicksword, like surely if someone was on there, they'd agree with Tom, so why reveal it to the TCT people?
Did someone have an axe to grind against Tom and did some searching.
>Did someone have an axe to grind against Tom and did some searching.
If I recall, Tom isn't on very good terms with the TCT devs, and was one of the people behind the CTS fork that was made after the NCT dev made fun of the St. Paul mod. Plus the plebbit's been mad that he made McMath and McCormick lose their repective elections in the Red Series too. It's possible one of the NCT devs decided to do some gayops in order to get rid of someone he doesn't like permanently without receiving any major backlash from anyone since it's plebbit who cant stand anybody not like them and the NCT dicksword isn't going to object.
It feels like a lose-lose scenario if they continued without him. I feel like if the team tried going along with the intended outline that he most likely had, (or were even perceived as sticking to closely to his intended vision), that it would somehow now be considered too "tainted" by him. People already were whiny just at the fact of McCarthy winning in 56, despite him canonically dying less than 5 full months in office.
I think
is right with what they're going to do. They'll say Tom wanted Fullbright to win and then they saved the mod of the injustice that he did with rigging those "conventions" by having Eastland take over (and they'll make Reagan a progressive too for the lols.)
Ted and Aiden aren't the type to ego trip like that from what I've seen of them, and it's already several months into development. President Fulbright is probably staying.
>already several months into development.
That hasn't stopped mods from getting rewritten before.
If the remaining team soldiers on like nothing happened, 1960 red and blue will probably release. But if they decide to change the vision to spite Tom, then the team will inevitably fragment.
https://imgur.com/a/1GmB4nk
imgur link of all the juicy bits
I'm not seeing the problem.
His apology (ongoing)
the response (on his private server)
>still says homosexuality is sinful
Yeah they’re not going to accept this.
Nope, they aren't!
forgot pic
I don’t know how you run with people who think surgically inverting children’s genitalia is a good thing and you don’t think you should put your comments against that on a different name/account. He should know full well how feral they can get.
>I am a conservative in the style of Barry Goldwater
>I have always held the position that homosexuality is sinful
lel
So is anyone out of touch zealot ultra liberal on that server?
Maga 2024.
Tom vs libtards
Can I get a rundown on Tom?
He frickint gay ass gay lookin bro Fricking bro and shit
He made some good mods.
He's not that interesting really.
It's sad that trannies banned him, since it means he won't make anymore good mods.
He made the 'Red' series, which is quite compelling, and Sumner 1968 which is a trip and really fun, as well as the declaration 1776 one.
Shame, I wanted Lodge to kick Fullbrights ass in Red 1960 for the ultimate mindfrick.
Here, he was talking to the Daily Wire group he is a janny at, not at the TCT people
Why are modding scenes always so full of trannies?
Good coders and good writers tend to be autistic, and a lot of trannies are autistics.
Correction, the troony fad is specifically targeted at autists.
Autists due to the nature of their mental condition rarely feel comfortable in themselves and yearn for a sense of belonging.
The troony community makes them feel like part of a group and convinces them their insecurity problem must be "i'm the wrong gender" stuff.
I was implying that, it still baffles why you would go through with that shit since it seems like a really fricking stressful group to be apart of.
Most autists find it easier to stay awkward and hang around bad circles then to act more social and find a good crowd.
The alphabet mafia is a horrible group to be in, it's very cult like and it promotes very unhealthy beliefs and life styles.
But it outwardly exceedingly nice and accepting, and deeply familiar with the struggles of outcasts.
Which lures in vulnerable people
These modmakers need to have modmaker only servers if they're that set on using dicksword. It's pretty obvious that inviting random people is going to frick you over due to autism. Also drop the whole community thing, you're making mods for a web browser game, not some major fricking AAA game that's going to be seen by the masses.
People who are autistic enough to massively dedicate time for a no-money obscure thing such as modding, are likely young and autistic.
In the past these people would be emo or scene kids, nowadays they are all trans.
Trans people kinda feed off of autistic dudes in a cycle.
On one hand, nerdy autistic dudes tend to be trans, on the other, those genuine nerdy trannies will basically gaslight all other nerdy dudes into thinking they are trans.
>another modder gone
ive never seen a group suicide so quickly
The fact that it's a basic b***h Zionist, one of the type who tries to be as inoffensive as possible and tends to keep to themselves is the one getting rammed for this amuses me. They're going to eventually decened into a spiral of le wholesome mods with no real conflict or good narrative, or mods that make the most basic center-right guy out to be a monster because lol evil as they drive anyone who wants to make interesting shit away lol.
are you crying over “mods” for a web game?
If you have something better to whine about I’d like to hear it.
Tom was also making a mod where Wallace won in 1948 called 1952Blue too, so that's not coming out either.
The only good mods Tom put out were 56’ Red, Florence, and Sumner 68’, lol. This is not going to lead to some massive decline of mod quality, if anything it just removes someone who was constantly baiting drama within the community which is a net positive
The Independence Trail was really good, the other two Red mods aren’t bad either.
God damn you.
Anon was right though; it was a ticking time bomb. Guess audience participation in making a mod isn't a good idea.
What do people think of Scoop 64? I think it's alright.
trannies have the reverse midas touch
>look at the "damning" screenshots of what horrible things Tom said
>they're all just normie opinions you can hear or see while talking to anyone in public or online
These people are psychotic
They're terminally online.
homosexual is so moronic he believes that banning no fault divorce and attacking Trump for being pro troony is mainstream
How does it feel anon?
I thought the orange one was banned.
He won in 2020 and will win in 2024 homosexual
Hi Kayne West.
You realize your IP is public on whatever you post right? I could swat you right now
Get off the computer Biden.
In Colorado and Maine, but this will probably be overturned by the Supreme Court.
They’re sharing this board in the new campaign trail discord server. I think some people here spied sent to make the campaign trail Ganker community look bad
Just got banned there for trolling lol. Stay strong pedes
>the campaign trail Ganker community
What? That shit doesn't exists.
It fricking sucks how much liberals just ruin everything they touch. I was thinking of learning how to mod and making a mod this summer but they tear it apart like they tore apart the red series and Tom. Frick
Are they going to give Tom a damnatio memoriae or something where they wipe his name off of all his mods?
Once again people have nothing better to do than to make 'drama' in a 'community' for an obscure text game.
communities are fricking moronic, fandoms are better.
I hate reddit but this shit was alot better when there was no discord.
discord has caused drama in nearly every fandom I've seen by just existing. It would unironically be better to create a forum and just use that than to make a discord considering how it always seems to turn into a mess.
it was better when it was just a shitty browser game by dan bryan lol
Frickers are taking this shit too seriously, they need to stop the larping shit and just make mods.
SkipperPengn made some of the best mods on the loader and I've never seen anyone who has beef with him because he does the bare minimum of not constantly starting shit
Unironiclly they just need to make a mod they like and that's it. No conventions, no open discord, no major shilling. Just fricking make a mod and if it's good it'll do good and won't get any flack.
I just sincerely hope Tex, Tom, Gardfeld, and the dude behind Viva Kennedy just say frick these idiots and make their own site to host their mods.