The only AAA game since Death Stranding that actually feels somewhat fresh.
Not a traditional Final Fantasy, not an Ubisoft open world game, not a Soulslike, not even a DMClike; a game that actually feels like it's trying new stuff and not just sticking to established blueprints. Everyone trying to pigeon-hole this into a genre or b***hing about it doesn't meet certain FF quotas is missing the point. That's literally what makes it good.
so all of them but shit?
Why not just make a new series then? Why shit on the FF legacy with crap action combat and gay kisses?
Chuds can't stand something new
You fricking troons won't have peace until you've ruined litteraly everything
>Why not just make a new series then?
Because a big appeal of FF is that every mainline can be something completely different? How is XVI any more sacrilegious then FFXI and FFXIV? Those games are MMO's in a franchise of singleplayer games.
>a big appeal
0% of the people that enjoied final fantasy from 1 to 10 asked square to turn it into a fricking mmo or an action game, so please tell me who this "appeal" is for
I mean I didn't ask for them to make 11 an mmo but it didn't stop me from dumping years of my life into it. That shit was great.
And if the game was called another name instead of ff11 what would have changed exactly? They turned ff into an mmo because of wow and now they turned it into an action game because of elden ring. Square just spits in the face of its longtime fans with its cash grabs and then you people ask why we are mad.
>They turned ff into an mmo because of wow
>Final Fantasy XI's release year: 2002
Based moron.
Dude you don't even know what you're talking about you're just being angry and rambling. I don't get what it is about Final Fantasy that brings these people out on Ganker it never used to be like this and I'm an ancient gay by most peoples standards these days.
>actually feels somewhat fresh
I like it but I don't see how you mean, it's an action-RPG like any other. It's not that different from Ragnarok or Horizon or Wo Long.
That's...not true. It may be the appeal now but it wasn't during the PS1 days and prior.
Like, sure the games changed but they weren't completely upending their core (I mean, FF8 sort of did with the Junction system but it still played the same with ATB)
I find it very disingenuous to basically start counting FF from 10 onwards and pretending like the series never had any consistency before
>That's...not true. It may be the appeal now but it wasn't during the PS1 days and prior.
Wrong, there were definitely FF fans who didn't like the VII being so cutscene heavy and going fullblown sci-fi. Most people are just too young to remember.
FF was incredibly niche in the west until 7 so that's kind of hyperbole.
Oh sure but it wasn't COMPLETELY new.
It was an adjustment on what came before but it wasn't unrecognizable from what came immediately before or after, or even unrecognizable to the previous 6 games
The FF legacy has been tarnished since advent shilldren
>Why shit on the FF legacy
Has a lot in common with FF1, some other classics, and Matsuno stuff. Legacy is still there. Your only argument is turn based gameplay, which was a technical limitation from way back when they were emulating dice rolls from tabletop games. Spamming attack in a menu is just a slower version of spamming attack with a button. Even XIV with it's mmo rotations is more of a real-time version of old menu combat.
>Has a lot in common with FF1
Lol, no it doesn't. FF1 doesn't even have chocobos/summons/dragoon which were the only "Final Fantasy" things they bothered to put in this game.
Interestingly, FF1 didn't have crystals either
Yeah it does, the warriors of light are marked as such because all 4 have crystals
no they're orbs
FF legacy for the past decade has already been shat on, mainline-wise.
XIII and its iteration, the absolute trash fire that was XV - people didn't seem to see the franchise get raped only because there was still turn-based elements, but NOW it's somehow the line?
Fricking lmao, what a bunch of bullshit.
"Gay Kisses" eww.
Bruh are you even a final fantasy fan? they've had FLAMOYANT mega gay twinks in almost every game since the early 90s. sure, maybe they didn't kiss, but FF has always been Gay Friendly, like it or not.
In final fantasy 7 Cloud had a gay orgy in a hot tub full of men so he can get the best panties to crossdress. it always been gay
You say fresh yet it's very similar to a PS2 game. And not in a OLD=GOOD way, but rather they've got back to X's linear areas and a map select screen.
Maybe people want that instead of open worlds, but it feels dated.
Feels dated because it is dated, its just hallways with nothing to do, see or interact with other than getting meaningless crafting items.
This game is just FF13 but with a slightly better MC
>This game is just FF13 but with a slightly better MC
lol, this rodent-like homosexual with his hick name doesn't hold a candle to lightning. what the frick are you on about dude
>noooooo every game needs to be a heckin open world
>Maybe people want that instead of open worlds, but it feels dated.
That person is me. I hate open world because there is zero feeling of progress, youre just wandering around the same map. Open Zone like XVI is the best of both worlds.
>but rather they've got back to X's linear areas and a map select screen.
Good. That shit is 100x better than openworld trash.
People be like shitting on open world but will then complain how fricking linear the game is. Gaming needs more linear games, not the opposite.
Open world that's just a very wide hallway is just as linear as a narrow hallway.
What I want from an open-world game is a game whose direction and order of completion are actually up for me to decide. If a game is going to have an open world, I want a non-linear path quest too.
DQ3 is more non-linear today than FFXVI
>Movie game
:/
>Movie game, Japan
:O
GoW2018 did actually have some potential, too bad Ragnarok focused on completely the wrong things and turned it into MCU slop.
Ragnarok sucks, odin is a care salesman, writer was anthony birch, and the "ragnarok" part never has any importance. also blackwashing, and the same ending as the first game. runs on ps4 btw. GoW reboots are ass and the new kratos is a self-instert of any bearded californian hipster who wishes he had muscle.
Also, those new God of Wars that are being praised by normies, have the same writers from Lost Planet 3. You know, the bad one that killed the series. It's all about marketing. Those games are trash.
>Ragnarok
>no spectacle on that level
what a letdown, coupled with constant one-liners and terrible jokes
This is my biggest issue, XVI is just another triple A movie game. Looks impressive (runs shit), but has 0 substance. They even copied GoT for their story and the only thing FF are some tropes and blatant recalls to XIV because that is the type of FF fans actually want.
But they did go out and say "This is an FF for people who are not fans, people who grew up with GTA and COD." Which by all means is something they can do. Too bad it is already getting outsold by the pre-orders for the Mario RPG remake on amazon. Which, funnily enough is a classical JRPG with 3 homies in a row. Get fricked.
that's all that comes to mind when I see FFXVI being posted around here. spiteful and asshurt chuds furiously swarmed to GoW threads to call it a movie game or mock its QTE's, it was 70%+ of any GOW thread. That behavior can now be rarely found in any XVI thread, even though it's way heavier on cutscenes and QTE's, overall much more of a movie game than both of the recent god of wars.
it would be better if it was literally dmc though
I would have enjoyed it if it wasnt for the dogshit Eikon fights
Jeremy can you stop spamming threads
>The only AAA game since Death Stranding that actually feels somewhat fresh.
I couldn't agree more.
FFXVI is a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the trash we are fed. It is also a genuinely great game.
Troon, please
Ok now explain what's new and revolutionary about this game.
This game was great. I can't believe all these homosexuals who want it to flop
The wrath of the turn-based boomer.
They literally want a AAA turn-based Final Fantasy game, which could obviously never sell enough copies to cover development costs. They pulled the exact same shit when Final Fantasy 7 Remake was released.
Dragon Quest 11 sold like crazy fricktard.
DQ11 sold decently but not by Action RPG standards where the games sell some 20 million at times
are you stupid? what japanese action rpg sold 7 million like DQ did? FFXV and that's it?
Elden Ring
Dark Souls
Monster Hunter World
Nier Automata
FF7 Remake
And that's only including Japanese ones. I think, if you're a dev and looking at international trends, Action RPGs just look more lucrative than turn based ones. You see tons of games going action-based and doing great but relatively few (Yakuza 7 is the only one that comes to mind) that have success doing the reverse
Bought all of those. Like three of them. Guess which ones?
Nier has not sold 7 millions.
Correct, but you have to understand that turn-based boomers are completely moronic. They don't realize that 6 million copies is not enough to make a good profit with AAA production costs.
FF7R sold 4 million. granted it had a fat exclusiviy check from square but the difference isn't large.
More like 5 million in three months and obviously many millions more after that.
There is a reason why we are getting Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth.
Cry harder, turn-based boomer. Your shitty and sleep-inducing combat system is dead.
But Persona is doing just fine and is arguably the better known series at this point while FF sinks further and further into obscurity.
DAMN it makes zoomers MAD when they get shit repacked for their shit tastes and the property sucks and dies
EVERY
TIME
LOL
I wasn't aware that Persona sold 20 million copies in one year like Elden Ring did.
Oh wait, it didn't.
Elden Ring isn't a Final Fantasy game you fricking moronic zoomer shit-for-brains LOL
You can't even keep your ADHD riddled wormbrain on topic for 2 posts
KEK
I way obviously referring to the fact that 20+ million copies is what Square Enix is aiming for, dumb ass boomer. You can't achieve those numbers with turn-based trash. 🙂
>Best Sellers in PlayStation 5 games
If you put all consoles in there, FFXVI is below Super Mario RPG, Wonder and Pikmin lol.
>that 20+ million copies is what Square Enix is aiming for
LMAO
LOL
OH NO NO
>many millions more
no, square would have reported on that if it did, but it didn't. turn based games are doing fine but i recognize that a turn based game won't become an ultra popular AAA game, but we have high budget turn based games like persona, yakuza and DQ, mid sized turn based games like square's HD-2D series, SMT who sell a million copy each, and a gazillion small budget ones.
turn based video games are doing much better now than they did ten years ago
SMT 5 is a piece of shit and yet set series records. It's clear people are looking for other classic RPGs these days
Octopath traveller 2 sold 1 million with barely any marketing which strongly surprised me. even bravely default 2, another piece of shit game, sold almost a million. and Yakuza like a dragon was the most successful Yakuza and they're keeping turn based for the foreseeable future. the genre is having a small renaissance but normies still won't buy a turn based game normally, it's definitely not like it used to be in the 90s but we're past the 360/PS3 era where there were basically zero console turn based RPGs ans the genre was sent to the handhelds and barely got by with low budget as frick releases
>bravely default 2, another piece of shit game
I hate that piece of shit so much
>Cry harder, turn-based boomer
Persona isnt suffering. It manages Turn Based, Dating Sim and Pokemon collectathon masterfully and got the normie audience including boomers and zoomers. XVI is reaching for the Zoomer XIV audience and failing at that too. SE should be focusing on its core audience and growing what it was built upon, not have constant identity crises.
FF7R is not turn based in any shape or form. It has cool downs but it's giving players something to actively do every second of a fight
Uh, Dark Souls, Elden Ring and MHW?
You're right
Nier Automata has sold 7.5 million
https://twitter.com/NieR_JPN/status/1650084439412867073?s=20
dunno man 30k isnt too fricking hard to beat, indie turn based pixelshit RPGs sell more than 16
what made it great for you? serious question
It's Ganker. They want everything to flop.
MMO devs = MMO quests
Great movie
Not so great game.
There is absolutely nothing new or refreshing about FF16, it's edgy cinematic movie game slop
it's nier automata with slightly better combat and a million times worse story
>Story involving climate change and slavery immediately dropped for big bad evil entity behind it all that you can easily fight and get rid of
>Story is told entirely within cutscenes. Games have figured out how to tell stories on the way to objectives so you're not left pressing the A button
>"Party members" are barely in the game. There was a solid two hours where Torgal was just straight up not in-frame for any cutscenes, like the developers forgot about him.
>Clive is great but nobody's there for him to bounce off of except for Jill AKA wife and Cid Who has so many fricking death flags it's hard to care when he finally goes
>Elemental weaknesses are gone, leading to every combat encounter being exactly the same
>Equipment is just number go up, and barely affects your performance
>Main missions are loosely strung together combat arenas with the occasional treasure chest with worthless loot
>The only semi-open areas are the plains and the desert, and they have a small smattering of enemies with no good drops
>No buffs or debuffs besides ATK+10% for 30 seconds or +30% defense
>Side quests are all fricking terrible and the rewards are shit except for the Frick You Sword near endgame
I am honestly shocked that everything besides the combat is so fricking bad in this game. Like this is worse than XIV's side quests. Like imagine playing this game through again, are you going to do ANY of the side quests the second time around? Why the frick would you? It's better than XV but holy shit that's such a low bar to clear
>Games have figured out how to tell stories on the way to objectives so you're not left pressing the A button
You mean by slowing your movement speed to 1/4 and making you walk down a narrow, boring corridor while it talks for you?
Legit how is that different to a cutscene except you lose the ability to skip it?
Because it gives me something to listen to while I run through your semi open world or linear checkpoint level doing pointless busywork. How many times do they need to say "What's that creature doing this far south?" only for Clive to say "The Blight took their homeland, they're looking for food"? Its come up like six fricking times in six different cutscenes. God of War and The Last of Us, for all the shit that people give them about walk/talk simulators, give their characters time to grow outside of traditional movie cutscenes. It would also help to liven up the party for them to be having conversations, or points of interest on the map. Like take the first area in Rosaria, can you name any even remotely interesting landmarks in that open world section? There's an abandoned house with a dock and a shack, and that's really it. Ooo, how wondrous!
What was the last truly turn based final fantasy game?
*slurpee
> We barely need stats
> We don't need status ailments
> We don't need elemental weaknesses/strengths
> We don't need physical/magical division damage
> We don't need buffs/debuffs
> We don't need skill/magic variety
> We don't need mana/stamina systems
> We don't need Black folk, but we add homosexuals instead
> We don't need active exploration
> We don't need good sidequests
> We don't need secrets around the world
> We don't need endgame
> We don't need superbosses
> We don't need turns, it's time to evolve
> RPG evolution is just turning into Devil May Cry and removing basic content
>elemental weakness
>skill/magic variety
>good sidequests
>superbosses
The game has all these, update your spam
why lie?
The last 3 are true but there is no elemental affinities. Fire damage deals the same damage fire enemies as it does to ice. I really of wish there was at least a stagger bonus for dealing weakness damage.
There literally are. Just try attacking bombs or wind elementals with ifrit vs. garuda and see the difference in numbers.
Yes
Some quests I liked were the one with the boy and the wolf in sanbreque, or the one in the hideaway with the apples.
>>good sidequests
>>good sidequests
WHAT?!?!
>>good sidequests
>>good sidequests
do I ever have to do out of my way to look for sidequests, or do they always tell you all of them via green markers
Its sad that they caved to the RPG homosexuals and filled it with so much slop. Imagine how good this could have been with the filler cut out.
>that actually feels somewhat fresh
Lmao wot. Its an inferior DMC all the way thru.
The game is shit, stop spamming threads shill no one is buying this trash.
Anyone else find joshua adorable even when grown up? He says stuff like "confound it!" instead of "damn it!"
I'm glad he lived long enough to leave descendants and a record of everything everyone went through, even if it's published as a fantasy book.
They game is fiction, none of it happened. Kys gay shill.
I wish we were playing as Joshua
I wonder if that'll be DLC
>high power
>low HP
>Free revives
>feels somewhat fresh.
>70% cutscenes
>open areas look like zones from a 2010 MMO
>side quests look like quests from a 2010 MMO
>no party members, no memorable side characters
>items and level up is super basic +10hp +5%dmg shit
>combat is a nerfed version of DMC
Ok
But I have 1 little question, why did they call it Final Fantasy then op? I wouldn't dislike it if it wasn't trying to disguise itself as a game it's not.
FF deserves a swift dead after this. just stop raping the corpse
It's literally what new God of War should've been. Hope Santa Monica takes a notice.
YFW fighting Titan
you haven’t seen anything yet man
Oh boy
Dude, bahamut fight is the last "spectacle" fight in the game and it happens after titan. Every single boss fight after the bahamut fight is a major letdown including the ultima prime one.
Ultima is such a disappointment, fight is a visual mess too, during the ifrit risen part everything and every attack looks the same its like I'm in fricking P3S all over again
yeah it’s a shame how lacklustre Barnabas/Odin was. I got hyped after the first two encounters, expecting the last to be kino, but mehhh
Hey guys, how are you using odin's abilities? I feel like the damage that he deals compared to the others feels really weak in comparison.
AHAHAHAHHAAHA HE BOUGHT THIS SHIT ASS GAME HAHAHAHAHAAH
only use them to fill up the zantetsuken meter, get dancing blade and use as soon as it’s off cool-down
Being fresh doesn't mean it's good.
Last Saints Row was a fresh take on the franchise.
Did Barry win
barry winning is the final fantasy
let's be real, he's been at it so long he was bound to get one right just by accident
except Barry has been trying to convince us FF15 wasn't dogshit, and for all of XVI's flaws, it's still miles ahead of that crap
Yeah, finally a fricking Uncharted 4 sequel with broken DMC combat system and Heavy Rain JASON tier QTE.
FRICKING FINALLY!
I just beat Titan, so guessing a little past the midpoint. So far the game is fantastic, really feels like final fantasy even if the combat certainly doesn't. It feels complete so far like you hear about the secret Volcano cave, you see it on the map and you go to the secret Volcano cave fight a dumb badguy and a crystal Guardian. This may seem superfluous but it feels like this hasn't happened in an FF game since X.
Not to say the game doesn't have a bunch of flaws. I'm sitting on a mountain of material and yet the blacksmith seems to update like once every 5 years figuratively and literally. While the combat is good I can't help but feel I would like the game more as just a normal ATB game. There's no reason your party members don't at least let you change their equipment/skills, ever SE action RPG has allowed that much.
>This may seem superfluous but it feels like this hasn't happened in an FF game since X.
doesn't XII do that
there are plenty of ugly people, but the main characters are usually pretty
XII is pretty good about it but at the same time you occupy a very small portion of the map and the Judges who are portrayed as the main bosses are all over the place. Absolutely love hunting down the Lucavi though
It's a Genshin Impact clone with less features
It's been so long since I played a game with no ugly people empress Anabella is so fricking hot
That angry face she makes when she gets no sex the night before she gets the guy offed is cute. Her and Scarlet are the new Mistresses of FF
>dishonest world building
homosexual
POZZED
TRASH
I don't like gays as much as the next but come the frick on its final fantasy lol
you will die from multiple STDs homosexual
Just because its not like other stuff doesnt mean its doing something new, its barely doing anything. It cant be pigeon holed because nothing about it stands out
>It cant be pigeon holed because nothing about it stands out
Well it's an actually good videogame. That makes it stand out enough in current year
i appreciate all the npcs clowning on clive's clothes
It really seems like Jill is a late addition to the story, after Bahamut she just exists.
the whole game she just exists
she has shiva, why didn't she do shit when Cid and Clive were dealing with Ultima
>fresh
You just run in a straight line and fight the same guys for 30+ hours. Modern final fantasy is about as non-interactive as a video game can get while still being called a game.
As long term FF fan I have 0 reason to play this.
A friend told me that the japanese song only plays during the final scene if you play the game on japanese, that the rest have a different shitty english song.
Is that true? What is this, the 90's with the anime dubs? lol
Did not feel that fresh to be honest, as a long term player of FFXIV, I feel that the structure of the game is a little too similar.