The funny thing is that in the actual Shadow, it's men mating with female Deep Ones (though apparently the opposite is also possible). The whole monster rape segment of Neonomicon, despite all of Moore's posturing, tells us more about him than it does HPL.
It's more of that the original idea that was part of the horror of the Deep Ones (miscegenation and race-mixing) doesn't really work any more, while violation of your body by an unwanted predator is still pretty scary.
The 'horror of the deep ones' had more to do with dehumanizing and deadly secrets lurking in your family bloodline than race-mixing, which was a subject near and dear to HPL's heart, as both of his parents had gone insane (his father to syphilis, which he probably didn't know). HPL didn't care about race mixing enough, apparently, to avoid marrying a israeliteess for a time, though his neuroses made that marriage fail.
I always found it resonated a little with me because my family has looked the exact same down the matrilineal line for at least 400 years (portraits/miniatures), we have a bunch of genetic issues that can only be dominant traits (all of us have them), and we have a long line of sailors in the family.
You are moments away from receiving a letter that takes you a horrifying journey but means you end up incredibly wealthy and probably can cast spells and shit. Very envious of you, my family also has a lot of sailors and all that heritage gave us alcoholism and having American relatives.
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Unfortunately for you, I might be those American relatives. There's definitely buried treasure out there left by one of my ancestors, if only he'd written down where the frick he left it.
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I open the mansion doors with a loud creak, is this wretched dwelling of decay and foreboding misfortune truly the home of my ancient and venerable relatives?
"Howdy partner, welcome to Texas! Why you coming here is bigger than Dallas! Now throw that bag on the couch and join us for supper or I'll throw a hissy fit!"
The abominable creature sprayed viscous goop with every unnatural syllable..!
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It was all I could do but let my shaking hands reach into my coat and pull out my trusty flask, only spirits could wash away the tremors of my psyche.
"Easy there, pardner, I thought you were going for it!" said my unnatural host. Displaying a strange device on its hip in ornate silver and unknown metals. A sceptre of some sort? It gestured at me with its pagan ritual garb, displaying a headdress carved of a hide unknown to me. Judging by the fiendish nature of these creatures, the animals they hunt must be stranger still. Wiping sweat from my brow I was frozen in abject terror as it continued in a tone I only understood as a primordial growl: "You know what they say, don't mess with Texas!" it laid, what I assume to be, its head back, and laughed a hollow, dead, laugh.
"Happy to be here." were the final words before my induction into their culture of nightmares.
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>Deep South One
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>As the Deep South One lunges at you it lets out a terrifying yeehaw
Deep Ones have always been a metaphor for Asian/Pacific Island people, so yeah it makes sense that (male) sailors would bring back female specimens (it still quite possible that Obed Marsh brought back young male specimens for his own non-reproductive enjoyment....)
>Deep Ones have always been a metaphor for Asian/Pacific Island people
Except they're first encountered in the South Pacific mingling with natives, and other native tribes destroy these traitors when they find out.
>The party encounters a seaside village that is mingling and mating with deep ones.
Why do the DO do this?
One reason might be that they can't reproduce among themselves. Maybe they can only procreate with certain humans, not all of them. That can be a good way from preventing a TPK as they wouldn't want to kill the PCs on sight in case they could be compatible mates. The PCs would just wish they were dead lol
But what about other races/animals? Imagine a Deep Bear or a Deep Elk lol A Deep Ork?
Maybe it works at first, but they die before the transition is complete.
At least in Shadow, it's to infiltrate the surface, gather intelligence, and get stuff like shoggoths into place in advance of a war. Oh, and to get blood sacrifices. But a GM has no need to make that their reason.
Deep Ones are more frog-like/ambhibian than shark-like.
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Dagon tongues my non-eucldidian taint
That's actually not Black personman in that picture, nor was Black personman originally Howard's cat. 'Black person' and variations thereof were common names for black or brown pets in that era. The meme is still funny.
Emma is a Deep One Hybrid. This has been known for ages and the older she gets, the more her Innsmouth genes are showing.
Soon the sea will be calling to her...
There's a few movies about Innsmouth. Most of them suck. There's even a Japanese one. It's better than most. But Dagon is probably the best adaptation so far.
Oh, and there was an episode of the 80s radion show Nightfall that was kind of similar, but about worshiping sharks and wanting to mate with them. It's called In the Name of the Father. You can get it on the internet archive.
But yeah, I felt like doing a little nostalgia meme about Emma.
Emma is a Deep One Hybrid. This has been known for ages and the older she gets, the more her Innsmouth genes are showing.
Soon the sea will be calling to her...
>The party is U.S. Treasury agents
Yes, something awful is afoot here. We must inform President Coolidge.
The president says "That's icky. Not in my country."
ONI and BI round up the Marines and Coasties, raid and take prisoners for experiments. >circa90yearslater
My boss says I have to kill this child because his great grandad was into fish. I'm still going to do it, I just hate it.
>fish have no phallus
Depends on the what creature you're talking about, the oceans have a dizzying variety of reproductive strategies, it's not all just salmon spraying roe all over.
(But yes, in Shadow Over Innsmouth, it's the sea captain who brokers a deal with the deep ones and brings home a sea-wife)
>“In ’forty-six Cap’n Obed took a second wife that nobody in the taown never see—some says he didn’t want to, but was made to by them as he’d called in—had three children by her—two as disappeared young, but one gal as looked like anybody else an’ was eddicated in Europe. Obed finally got her married off by a trick to an Arkham feller as didn’t suspect nothin’. But nobody aoutside’ll hev nothin’ to do with Innsmouth folks naow. Barnabas Marsh that runs the refin’ry naow is Obed’s grandson by his fust wife—son of Onesiphorus, his eldest son, but his mother was another o’ them as wa’n’t never seed aoutdoors."
There, you have been spoon-fed, now frick off and stop pretending that you read, you illiterate tard
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You are sorely mistaken; I'm not here to do your bidding, though you have taken the liberty of doing mine, you sorry fool.
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AAAAAAaaaaa YOURE SO CLEVER I'M GOING INSAAAAAAANE
>But yes, in Shadow Over Innsmouth, it's the sea captain who brokers a deal with the deep ones and brings home a sea-wife
I think it's interesting how often people think it's the other way around. An interesting look at how fears have changed overtime, as back then it was that sailors would bring home exotic wives.
It was flipped the other way around also in the new remake of Sherlock Holmes: Awakened. It also included female victims for the cult, by what I recall (and might be wrong) all the cult's victims were men in the original game.
Though as you said, just men being ones who unspeakable acts concern doesn't really evoke intended horrified emotional response in modern audiences.
Nah, both men and women were sacrificed to deep ones in Innsmouth, and it was, probably, both men and women mated with deep ones, although the only concrete example given was a man so it could go either way.
Nah, both men and women were sacrificed to deep ones in Innsmouth, and it was, probably, both men and women mated with deep ones, although the only concrete example given was a man so it could go either way.
Oh sorry I misread, I thought you said all the cults victims were men in the original story, my mistake.
As was already pointed out with Moore, that's purely a titillation thing. Lovecraft, who always saw the subjects of sex and women with an apparent degree of disinterest, was not trying to inject eroticism.
I mean, if anyone were to enter a blashphemous union with an alien race to get vast wealth and power it'd be a man.
Men are just more.... active? In that sense at least.
You would think so. We would think so. The Bible said something else.
Dagon was in the Bible as one of the gods that God deemed to get rid of/not worship
The Bible refers to gods with little g in two different fashions: human judges who have power over human lives, and fallen angels. The "getting rid of" pertained to their hybrids, the nephilim.
Is Dunwich Horror the only Lovevraft story with even implied eldritch abomination/female action? Even in that it is likely that Lavinia was impregnated by sorcery rather than by Yog-Sothoth's tentacle.
>Even in that it is likely that Lavinia was impregnated by sorcery rather than by Yog-Sothoth's tentacle.
Worse than that, I always thought Lovecraft intended Lavinia to have been impregnated by her own father. In general though, Lovecraft did not seem interested in monsters fricking women, either for horror or more prurient reasons. That was more in his friend REH's wheelhouse, cf. Xuthal of the Dusk (which definitely feels mythos-adjacent save that Conan prevails, albeit wounded almost to death).
Deep Ones are more frog-like/ambhibian than shark-like.
Your lack of creativity displeases Dagon. Where Dagon wills there to be children, there will be children, and he does provide sexual aids in forms of literature, fertility assisting tools, toys, and a rigorous pharmaceutical services. Ask about our 30-days-to-conception program, our fish doctors are standing by to help you conceive even when physiology differs.
Dagon Health Care - Because our numbers swell. verification not required
Your lack of creativity displeases Dagon. Where Dagon wills there to be children, there will be children, and he does provide sexual aids in forms of literature, fertility assisting tools, toys, and a rigorous pharmaceutical services. Ask about our 30-days-to-conception program, our fish doctors are standing by to help you conceive even when physiology differs.
Dagon Health Care - Because our numbers swell. verification not required
Brothers of the deep, why do you forsake the great Dagon? Our lord's glory should flood every corner of this realm, yet here we are, drowning in a sea of indifference. Remember, those who venerate Dagon shall be blessed with the embrace of our beautiful half-fish wives, so let us not neglect our devotion to the ancient one. Rise, my kin, and let the tides of worship wash away this neglect!
Daily reminder that when talking about fictional monsters who defy human understanding, they can do whatever the story wants.
Octopuses don't have phalluses either, but that doesn't mean they won't ram you with a semen-filled tentacle. Just hope they understand human anatomy enough to not jam it in your ear until sperm leaks out your eye sockets (which is a thing male octopi who haven't mated have to put up with: sperm leaking out of their eyesockets because they're so backed up).
Yeah, no. I already lived on Key Pen. The inbred humans there ate the community of Deep Ones for breakfast then ground their hybrid fish bones into dust to mix with the meth they cook out there.
I'm the party face and a Paladin so I put everyone in the town to death, even the innocent, for not seeing the error of their ways and for abiding evil.
The party encounters a seaside village that is mingling and mating with deep ones.
As they actually doing anything malevolent? Are the villagers and Deep Ones both consenting and of appropriate age for that sort of thing? If it's all good I'm just gonna move on and tell the DM to stop inserting his fetishes into the game. If we're talking rape and cult shit then it's time to test the custom class feature I tricked my DM into letting me have that turns my smites into friend-foe discerning nukes.
Oh Bloodborne. I'm still not sure I've worked out the complete timeline to just how completely fricked that entire place was, but I think I've got most of it down.
Long story short: If an elder god beaches itself on your shores, dies, and then gives birth to a blasphemous hybrid of your reality and it's home. Don't worship and interbreed with it.
Then something something Pthumerian Dynasty.
And also, when your old schoolteacher tells you not to do a thing. Don't do that thing. Also, maybe people wearing birdcages on their heads shouldn't be considered overly trustworthy? Or a source of good ideas?
I mean, in the race to see who can be a bigger idiot, between him essentially causing mass beast transformations by calling down multiple amygdala's as part of his vaguely defined research in a weird dream dimension, or Lawrence and his fricking build-a-bear Oldblood Elder Thing he built in his basement to make Healing Blood with, it's pretty neck and neck.
Rom meanwhile, was a well intentioned idiot.
Yharnam was fricked way before Kos showed up, the Pthumerians were around long before the Yharnamites were and were interbreeding with sea slug God things before Kos.
Pthumerians
Fishman Village
University of Brygenwerth
Lawrence founds church of healing
Rom becomes spider
Cleric Beasts start happening, Church Hunters get formed.
Micky starts wearing a Birdcage and convinces Yanaghul to do some seriously dumb shit.
Mass Beast transformations, things start REALLY going to shit.
Player somehow misses all this when he travels to Iosefica's backally blood-clinic to get his illness treated.
>Moon presence/great one starts making wives out of the queens of old yarnham >Pthumerians discover the old blood and use it for healing >the old blood causes the plague, old yarnham is destroyed with fire (age of the old hunters) >Byrgenwerth scholars discover the old blood under Yarnham, start using it for healing and experimentation >Byrgenwerth scholars discover kos, and kos parasites >they try to use these parasites to evolve humans >Byrgenwerth splits into Mensis and Healing Church, the healing church turns fully towards study of the great ones through kos parasites >Mensis study old ones through a different method, and are hunting/capturing old ones for rare bodyparts. >Mensis are planning a massive ritual that requires them to find and kill Rom >By the time the player arrives the ritual has already failed, and the player kills Rom to reveal the presence of the red moon >the bell-ringers have also arrived after the mensis ritual has failed, and are doing their own ritual (the One Reborn) now that the moon is near >the player arrives however at the height of the healing church's experiments and wind up destroying them by invading the upper cathedral ward and slaying the emissaries
>Moon presence/great one starts making wives out of the queens of old yarnham >Pthumerians discover the old blood and use it for healing >the old blood causes the plague, old yarnham is destroyed with fire (age of the old hunters) >Byrgenwerth scholars discover the old blood under Yarnham, start using it for healing and experimentation >Byrgenwerth scholars discover kos, and kos parasites >they try to use these parasites to evolve humans >Byrgenwerth splits into Mensis and Healing Church, the healing church turns fully towards study of the great ones through kos parasites >Mensis study old ones through a different method, and are hunting/capturing old ones for rare bodyparts. >Mensis are planning a massive ritual that requires them to find and kill Rom >By the time the player arrives the ritual has already failed, and the player kills Rom to reveal the presence of the red moon >the bell-ringers have also arrived after the mensis ritual has failed, and are doing their own ritual (the One Reborn) now that the moon is near >the player arrives however at the height of the healing church's experiments and wind up destroying them by invading the upper cathedral ward and slaying the emissaries
>Moon presence/great one starts making wives out of the queens of old yarnham
The mother of Mergo is Queen Yarnham, the city is named after her. The vileblood line are the direct descendents of old Pthumerian bloodline, their blood is literally vile as it is filled with mecury. Mecury the chemical is the physcial manifestation of Oedon, the true 'elder god' that is above the others in power since hes omnipresent and formless. Mecury is his blood since it is called the formless metal in alchemy, as it is present in all 3 forms naturally, liquid, gas and solid. Hunters can get quicksilver (synonymfor mecury) bullets from cutting their leg and getting their blood, because Hunters blood is filled with mecury.
So Pthumerians frick around with Oedons blood like the Hunters and don't ascend and get destroyed. Ebrietas is a Pthumerian like the paleblood hunter ascends her mortal form or she is one of those celestial children grown up. Arianna is impregnated by Oedon and gives borth to one, so Ebrietas could be a demigod child of Oedon born to an ancient Pthumerian queen.
Vacous Rom was a person, a little girl forced to ascend into elder godhood, unlike the player it went wrong and shes Vacous, the other forced ascension to elder god that went wrong is the brain of Mensis, formed from the mensis scholars minds becoming one and ascending into a physical being.
Kos (some say Kosm) washed up onto the beach but was still alive, she was killed when the hunters came to investigate, killed her and released parasites into the fishing village and causing all the problems there and creating another dream realm.
Kos was also designed to look like a woman wearing a wedding dress and veil. Shes meant to invoke pity as allusion to a pregenant woman being brutually murdered on her wedding day.
'Eyes on the inside' is a reference to a pregenant woman growing eyes within herself, men can't do that and result to literally lining their brains with eye.
look that post is exactly 2000 characters, sacrifices had to be made. I also can't spell
Bloodborne lore is so cool and intricate. Like how the canon background for your character in the character creator, is all of them. The player/ paleblood hunter is the only person with the right background and knowledge to ascend into elder godhood.
On topic, in Dagon, is the giant deep one the mc sees Dagon the god? the same being the deep ones worship , or just an ancient deep one, or both
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look that post is exactly 2000 characters, sacrifices had to be made. I also can't spell
Bloodborne lore is so cool and intricate. Like how the canon background for your character in the character creator, is all of them. The player/ paleblood hunter is the only person with the right background and knowledge to ascend into elder godhood.
On topic, in Dagon, is the giant deep one the mc sees Dagon the god? the same being the deep ones worship , or just an ancient deep one, or both
Because that Post isn't a Post.
It's a copypaste from an rpgnet thread.
Kos wasn't killed by the hunters they wanted the eyes inside her, that is, the orphan. The lore heavily implies they attempted to extract the fetus from the body, i.e. an abortion, which is what cast them into the nightmare and made the Orphan of Kos.
Also the fisherman worship Kos and the parasites might be her way of making them her children.
Honestly them and their creepy ways were fine until the hunters showed up.
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>Honestly them and their creepy ways were fine until the hunters showed up.
Hence the whole line Maria has about how what happened at the village is the Hunters dirty little secret.
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Kos was probably already dead when she washed ashore, wasn't she? The Great Ones need a proxy for successful childbirth any more, and since the child (initially) survived and we never see Kos as anything but a corpse, that'd point to where this pregnancy went awry. I'd also read that Kos is supposed to evoke whales that beached themselves dead or alive in fishing villages, which were seen as a divine self-sacrifice.
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I always thought the broken masts emerging from the water in the nightmare suggested she'd been hunted like a whale, so if she wasn't dead she was dying by the time she beached. Plus it would be a good idea for how the villagers were infected with the old one blood and parasites - even if they didn't eat the peculiar beached whale themselves and find the poor wizened child within, it would have been gouting cosmic blood over everything they were fishing. It would be like the giant crows and wild dogs in Yharnam.
You know thinking about it since we are here why is Bloodborne one of the few adaptations of Lovecrafts work that actually bothered to remember the dream stuff?
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Because the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is the only part of Lovecraft's "Dream Cycle" that people remember, and people barely remember anything from THAT. The bigggest takeaway from that entire body of work are the characters of Azathoth and Nyarlathotep.
Also, writing the Dream-Lands effectively forces you to write two whole settings, one that people will only rarely interact with. Lovecraft-lite writers prefer to have vivid hallucination dreams in a spooky Dark Reflection Of Your House at the absolute deepest, and not go that deeply into all the high fantasy shit you can find elsewhere.
That being said, a few properties like to go into the idea of dreams being a whole new world. Alexis Kennedy's worth on Fallen London and Cultist Simulator go very deeply into it, for example.
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>and people barely remember anything from THAT
I remember laughing my ass off when our hero is being taken to the slave pits by the moon beasts and out of fricking nowhere a tidal wave of cats shows up and massacres the eldritch horrors and their human slaves before freeing the hero and thanking him for feeding a kitten in Ulthar
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It also has a different impact when the spooky thing is associated with a dream, even it the dream is just as real as anything else. Even though they have the same theme, reality doesn't work like we think it does, for some people, the idea of a squishy monster coming out of the shadows is scarier than a squishy monster coming out of your dreams. Nightmare on Elm Street vs. Friday the 13th kinda thing.
3 months ago
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>no one remembers Iranon
This day something of youth and beauty has died in this world.
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Well, anon, it seems to me that you have two choices here. You can try to tell people about this thing you love and enjoy, and try to spread some of that passion, or you can b***h about it.
Be the change you want to see. What IS the deal with Iranon?
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NTA, but I'll give a crack at it.
Sweet Iranon, Iranon the fair, Iranon the musician, Iranon prince of Aira. He wandered far and wide, singing songs of his lost city of Aira, its river of Nithra, its tiny falls of Kra. A golden-haired youth clothed in purple, wandering ageless Elder cities in search of his childhood, of his past, of the city of Aira.
As the world around him changed as as he wandered, he himself never did. Always a youth, always clad in his grand purple robe, hair always wreathed in fresh vines. The toiling granite city of Teloth, the sluggish Xuro, the frigid Zari, none could compare to the city of his past, of Aira.
Yet... in the end... you must read for yourself. But something of youth and beauty died in that world, and this one as well.
You know what I love about eyes on the inside? They would give you inside sight, or some might say, insight.
It's really excellent word play
This sounds like the sort of thing where someone involved took the idea too literally and it resulted in grotesque alchemic and scientific monstrosity in pursuit of a misunderstood notion.
Brothers of the deep, why do you forsake the great Dagon? Our lord's glory should flood every corner of this realm, yet here we are, drowning in a sea of indifference. Remember, those who venerate Dagon shall be blessed with the embrace of our beautiful half-fish wives, so let us not neglect our devotion to the ancient one. Rise, my kin, and let the tides of worship wash away this neglect!
Divine figures are best seen as rivals and adversaries rather than entities worthy of worship. Even if you view them as friends, teachers, or protectors, the goal is the ascent and the height is something to strive to meet and surpass.
It's their hometown, (great-great-great) Grandma is so excited to see her progeny that she even pulled herself out of the water to see them. She's not pleased about the lack of progress in waging war against the surface-dwellers.
I really like how the ending implied that not only is the government already aware of deep ones, they already had a search and destroy policy in place that merely has to be activiated.
Few good cosmic horror books handle the government being aware of whats going on well. often falling into the trap of 'MC and friends are not beleived and mocked, until help is griudingly given and by then its either too late or they get wiped outLovecraft writing implies the government doesn't know enough to lose their minds but knows enough to know 'blow that shit up and never talk about it again'
I mean, the lead scientist involved in the Miskatonic expedition to the Antarctic was pretty clear about just what a Shoggoth was complete with pictures in his article prior to this, so I think when the narrator related that possibility to the authorities it was enough of a red flag for them to react.
Because even the slight possibility that one of those fricking things is on american shores is enough to warrant a response.
I really like how the ending implied that not only is the government already aware of deep ones, they already had a search and destroy policy in place that merely has to be activiated.
Few good cosmic horror books handle the government being aware of whats going on well. often falling into the trap of 'MC and friends are not beleived and mocked, until help is griudingly given and by then its either too late or they get wiped outLovecraft writing implies the government doesn't know enough to lose their minds but knows enough to know 'blow that shit up and never talk about it again'
I mean, the lead scientist involved in the Miskatonic expedition to the Antarctic was pretty clear about just what a Shoggoth was complete with pictures in his article prior to this, so I think when the narrator related that possibility to the authorities it was enough of a red flag for them to react.
Because even the slight possibility that one of those fricking things is on american shores is enough to warrant a response.
Love Delta Green.
Kill deep ones. Behead deep ones. Roundhouse kick a deep one into the concrete. Slam dunk a deep one into the trashcan. Defecate in a deep ones food. Launch deep ones into the sun. Stir fry deep ones in a wok. Toss deep ones into active volcanoes. Urinate into a deep ones gas tank. Judo throw deep ones into a wood chipper. Twist deep ones heads off. Report deep ones to the Program. Karate chop deep ones in half. Trap deep ones in quicksand. Crush deep ones in the trash compactor. Liquefy deep ones in a vat of acid. Dissect deep ones. Exterminate deep ones in the gas chamber. Stomp deep one skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate deep ones in the oven. Lobotomize deep ones. Grind deep ones in the garbage disposal. Drown deep ones in fried chicken grease. Vaporize deep ones with a ray gun from the Green Box. Kick old deep ones down the stairs. Feed deep ones to alligators. Slice deep ones with a katana.
The GM, when he realises he's going to have to split the party EVERY TIME the players want to go anyway. A cafe, a ride on the bus, to visit the library, to see a doctor, a hotel, EVERYWHERE.
This thread is very timely,
I'm reading "La géographie humaine du monde musulman jusqu'au milieu du 11e siècle" , a vast work which deals with Islamic medieval geography, and I came across this passage which I find absolutely delicious and which I'm translating for you:
"The monsters, the pure monsters, don't belong to any species, but derive, like the giraffe, from crossbreeding. And here, Africa and its sun regain all their powerful strangeness. "A large number of ferocious beasts and wild or domestic animals gather, during the intense heat of summer, at the edge of the vast heaps of water located in the highlands of Nubia; of the couplings which result, some are sterile, others give birth to products very varied in form and appearance." And so, all is blurred in an exalted nature: the bull unites with the ass and the ass with the cow, the lizard possesses twice the attributes of its sex, **the amphibious beast, which has a face, feet and hands like ours, unites with "wifeless fishermen", with "poor wretches" toiling all their lives on shores "where no one goes".** We can still detect familiar landmarks in these monsters: the name of a species, the history of an evolution. But what animal is behind the word ra'qā? What is this beast (dābba) of Abyssinia, which seizes the camel by its snout, knocks it over and drinks the blood without touching the flesh?"
>but derive, like the giraffe, from crossbreeding
kek >the amphibious beast, which has a face, feet and hands like ours, unites with "wifeless fishermen", with "poor wretches" toiling all their lives on shores "where no one goes'
I know Lovecraft was pulling from older ideas about half human half fish/frogmen people but its really cool to an explict mention that those ideas existed.
What year was it orginally published/created anon?
It's entirely possible Lovecraft read this at some point, he was a voracious reader (or less politely, an autistic shut-in, lol) and had access to a pretty good library of dusty old books from the 19th century on back.
According to my source, it comes from Meadows of Gold of Al-Masudi, an Arab geographer who lived in the 9th century.
11e siecle would be 11th century
It's entirely possible Lovecraft read this at some point, he was a voracious reader (or less politely, an autistic shut-in, lol) and had access to a pretty good library of dusty old books from the 19th century on back.
That's the question I've been asking myself too.
But I'm really not sure.
On the one hand, Lovecraft had an Islamic period in his childhood (when he converted to Islam after reading The Arabian Nights), so it's not impossible that he retained an interest in the Muslim world afterwards (he does, after all, attribute the Necronomicon to an Arab).
However, we're talking here about a book that must not have been very common, let alone at the time, and I'm not at all sure that Lovecraft would have had access to such a book in his native Providence.
Bearing in mind that the theme of the deep ones may well be explained by Lovecraft's own anxieties and fears (notably around hereditarism and race mixing).
Dagon was a pagan idol. Like others, Dagon is not actually a god, as there is only one God.
Dagon was simply a created idol myth at best or a demon at worst. The "other gods" mentioned in the Bible aren't gods. That is how they are referenced to because of how people treat them, like how money can become someone's god.
>The "other gods" mentioned in the Bible aren't gods.
The Bible never actually says that. It only says that you're not allowed to worship them.
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It's made quite apparent with the "there is only one God."
Dagon and others are not gods. Just myths people make up or demons that others worship as their gods. This why they are referred to as "gods."
2 months ago
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>there is only one God
You mean where it says "You will have no other gods before me?"
2 months ago
Anonymous
As I said. One can make a god of anything. Money or wealth is a typical example. Ancient rulers claimed to be gods, but that didn't make them so.
Once again. Gods in this context are speaking about how they are treated by people. Again. "There is only one God."
>Dagon and others are not gods.
LIKE HELL HE'S NOT
FIVE DEEP ONES OF INCREDIBLE MYTHOS POWER GATHERED AND BLESSED DAGON WITH GOD KI
YOU HUMANS STAND NO CHANCE
Cringe
2 months ago
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>Dagon and others are not gods.
LIKE HELL HE'S NOT
FIVE DEEP ONES OF INCREDIBLE MYTHOS POWER GATHERED AND BLESSED DAGON WITH GOD KI
YOU HUMANS STAND NO CHANCE
2 months ago
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>dagicarp has evolved
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Anonymous
The Bible literally acknowledges the exitance of other Gods, this is pure revisionism.
Judaism was originally a polytheistic religion, you dunce.
2 months ago
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It does not. When idiots read things without context, then you can come to that understanding. No, Judaism was not polytheistic. That's propaganda that deliberately tries to switch caananite and Hebrew history with each other.
Who cares what a book written by bronze age middle eastern goatfrickers says?
Who cares about any historical text? Cope harder. God exists and Jesus loves you. Misunderstanding how idols like Dagon are recorded in history doesn't change that.
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The Caananites are the Hebrews you fricking moron. Monotheism was only mentioned after the Babylonian exile and, surprise surprise, the contact with Zoroastrians, the ACTUAL first monotheists.
I get that your A*erican Protestant brain cannot comprehend this, but israelites are, in fact, not a reliable source of information.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No. The caananites are a separate people from the line of Noah that are not with the Isrealites. >Zoroastrians
LOL
2 months ago
Anonymous
Noah isn't real you deranged fricking lunatic. The Hebrews were a group of Canaanites, archaeological, genetic and anthropological evidence all points to this. The only thing that doesn't is their own israeli scripture, which you believe for some incomprehensible reason. >LOL
cope
2 months ago
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>Who cares about any historical text?
Anyone who prefers truth to israeli propaganda.
2 months ago
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anon the bible/ christianity was the new religion and had to get converts from the older polytheistic ones. Thats why theres the 'Have no gods before me' because they didn't want the christian god to be just another god you pray to after Ra and Zeus. The old Testament is the creation MYTH of the israelites, there was no noah, there was no abraham, there was no garden of eden or adam, ther was no david, There were no israeli slaves that built the pyramids and then escaped after the plauges of egypt. Its all lies of the israeli creation myth, which surprise surprise has them be gods favourite people.
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Yhwh merely pretends to be the only god because the rest of his pantheon were subsumed into him or demonized as the result of people who worshipped them getting conquered and eradicated by Yhwh worshippers.
>What is this beast (dābba) of Abyssinia, which seizes the camel by its snout, knocks it over and drinks the blood without touching the flesh?"
...well when you describe it that way, it would probably be enough to make a man shit his loincloth/whatever they wore back in 11th century
The party exterminates the village, hangs the mayor from a tree, and crucifies all of the women for as long as their are enough bodies to line the roads.
>lads, we sail out at night! >no, we won't have sex with the deep ones! >why yes, I do intend to use the lax morals of this area to have sex with my fat titty boat wife, how could you tell?
What the Deep Ones don't get that is that if they simply lived in peace with humans there'd be horny apes showing up at low tide every day to get a serving of sushi. Their greatest tragedy is in their evil they can't conceive of humans wanting to tap that scaly ass. This is why it's called cosmic "horror" and not cosmic "action".
>The party goes beneath the waves to figure out how large the deep one settlement is >Encounters giant and man eating sea life like pic related.
Why is this such an unexplored avenue. Crabs towering over men that loom in the deep trenches around deep one cities would be cool
>The party encounters a seaside village that is mingling and mating with deep ones.
Why do the DO do this?
One reason might be that they can't reproduce among themselves. Maybe they can only procreate with certain humans, not all of them. That can be a good way from preventing a TPK as they wouldn't want to kill the PCs on sight in case they could be compatible mates. The PCs would just wish they were dead lol
But what about other races/animals? Imagine a Deep Bear or a Deep Elk lol A Deep Ork?
Maybe it works at first, but they die before the transition is complete.
>Why do the DO do this?
It's not entirely clear, at least some of it is for the human sacrifices, some of it is definitely for intelligence/seeding a fifth column. I wouldn't be surprised if they're "reproductively degenerate" and need humans to re-invigorate them, that's the kind of idea Lovecraft was fond of. But I don't recall that being mentioned in Shadow Over Innsmouth.
What the Deep Ones don't get that is that if they simply lived in peace with humans there'd be horny apes showing up at low tide every day to get a serving of sushi. Their greatest tragedy is in their evil they can't conceive of humans wanting to tap that scaly ass. This is why it's called cosmic "horror" and not cosmic "action".
They kinda DO live in peace, though. I mean granted they want some blood sacrifices, but that seems to be less active antagonism and more a cultural necessity. The fact that they lay low is how their ashore communities manage to get somewhat stable in the first place.
It's implied that their young need to live on land in their first stage of development, so they would need safe harbors here and there. Find some backwater community that's in dire financial straits, ply the big man in town with a fish wife and/or piles of sunken treasure, and presto! You've got a habitat for your kids to grow up in.
It's implied that their young need to live on land in their first stage of development, so they would need safe harbors here and there. Find some backwater community that's in dire financial straits, ply the big man in town with a fish wife and/or piles of sunken treasure, and presto! You've got a habitat for your kids to grow up in.
Literally just settle your own coastal village and set up a sign outside that says "Free sex with fish - only condition no birth control". No need for the cloak and dagger shit. Organise party yachts that have month-long orgies. Fish are just stupid, they don't take an easy win where they can get it.
I would too, they keep doing some awful shit in my coastal villages. Instead of the party bus there's the nightmarefuel church, damn right they deserve to be shot on sight. But if they would just send some diplomats maybe it could all be straightened out, or ideally just not do all the mean business to begin with.
>get big tiddy fish wife >have lots of healthy hybrid kids >become extremely wealthy from weird polynesian gold >found a completely self sufficient town, it's the stupid outsiders who keep stumbling into it >descendants are functionally immortal and get favour of the true gods of the world
WotC 5ed - The Deep Ones, as symbolic of oppressed POC, are compassionate and varied people, simply trying to live their lives. They have a rich culture outside of their religion, and see their human partners as equals, and their relationships are also viewed as such.
>it's actually hot fish women riding the male villagers while the human women crying and jerking off to their husbands, boyfriends and crushes losing to fish pussies
What now?
A lonely fishman walks up to a crying lady, he's anxious, and when she stops crying and notices him, he takes a dandelion out from behind his back and presents it to her with a blush. They're married and have 5 beautiful fishbabies 2 years later.
not the best alan moore graphic novel
funny tho
The funny thing is that in the actual Shadow, it's men mating with female Deep Ones (though apparently the opposite is also possible). The whole monster rape segment of Neonomicon, despite all of Moore's posturing, tells us more about him than it does HPL.
It was a mutual thing, it's just that the only named, concrete example we have is male human fricking female fish person.
Wasn't that guy implied to be a confused hybrid that the humans kept around to try and restart the bloodline
yeah, something along those lines
He seems to have an obsesion...
With what? Writing funny books that make the normies flip their shit? That's the only consistent thing I see in all his books.
Moore has a fixation on rape. This wouldn't be particularly noteworthy is he wasn't trying to always absolve his own involvement.
It's more of that the original idea that was part of the horror of the Deep Ones (miscegenation and race-mixing) doesn't really work any more, while violation of your body by an unwanted predator is still pretty scary.
The 'horror of the deep ones' had more to do with dehumanizing and deadly secrets lurking in your family bloodline than race-mixing, which was a subject near and dear to HPL's heart, as both of his parents had gone insane (his father to syphilis, which he probably didn't know). HPL didn't care about race mixing enough, apparently, to avoid marrying a israeliteess for a time, though his neuroses made that marriage fail.
I always found it resonated a little with me because my family has looked the exact same down the matrilineal line for at least 400 years (portraits/miniatures), we have a bunch of genetic issues that can only be dominant traits (all of us have them), and we have a long line of sailors in the family.
You are moments away from receiving a letter that takes you a horrifying journey but means you end up incredibly wealthy and probably can cast spells and shit. Very envious of you, my family also has a lot of sailors and all that heritage gave us alcoholism and having American relatives.
Unfortunately for you, I might be those American relatives. There's definitely buried treasure out there left by one of my ancestors, if only he'd written down where the frick he left it.
I open the mansion doors with a loud creak, is this wretched dwelling of decay and foreboding misfortune truly the home of my ancient and venerable relatives?
"Howdy partner, welcome to Texas! Why you coming here is bigger than Dallas! Now throw that bag on the couch and join us for supper or I'll throw a hissy fit!"
The abominable creature sprayed viscous goop with every unnatural syllable..!
It was all I could do but let my shaking hands reach into my coat and pull out my trusty flask, only spirits could wash away the tremors of my psyche.
"Easy there, pardner, I thought you were going for it!" said my unnatural host. Displaying a strange device on its hip in ornate silver and unknown metals. A sceptre of some sort? It gestured at me with its pagan ritual garb, displaying a headdress carved of a hide unknown to me. Judging by the fiendish nature of these creatures, the animals they hunt must be stranger still. Wiping sweat from my brow I was frozen in abject terror as it continued in a tone I only understood as a primordial growl: "You know what they say, don't mess with Texas!" it laid, what I assume to be, its head back, and laughed a hollow, dead, laugh.
"Happy to be here." were the final words before my induction into their culture of nightmares.
>Deep South One
>As the Deep South One lunges at you it lets out a terrifying yeehaw
Deep Ones have always been a metaphor for Asian/Pacific Island people, so yeah it makes sense that (male) sailors would bring back female specimens (it still quite possible that Obed Marsh brought back young male specimens for his own non-reproductive enjoyment....)
>Deep Ones have always been a metaphor for Asian/Pacific Island people
Except they're first encountered in the South Pacific mingling with natives, and other native tribes destroy these traitors when they find out.
At least in Shadow, it's to infiltrate the surface, gather intelligence, and get stuff like shoggoths into place in advance of a war. Oh, and to get blood sacrifices. But a GM has no need to make that their reason.
That's actually not Black personman in that picture, nor was Black personman originally Howard's cat. 'Black person' and variations thereof were common names for black or brown pets in that era. The meme is still funny.
Moore definitely has a 'thing' for rape.
Posting the most kino deep one content I have
That's good shit right there.
HPLHS are a great bunch. I loved the Call of Cthulhu movie they did.
That's not Poor Things.
aka Deep One Hybrid Porn
I thought that was about Frankenstein, not Innsmouth.
Emma is a Deep One Hybrid. This has been known for ages and the older she gets, the more her Innsmouth genes are showing.
Soon the sea will be calling to her...
Oh so you're memeing, nevermind
There's a few movies about Innsmouth. Most of them suck. There's even a Japanese one. It's better than most. But Dagon is probably the best adaptation so far.
Oh, and there was an episode of the 80s radion show Nightfall that was kind of similar, but about worshiping sharks and wanting to mate with them. It's called In the Name of the Father. You can get it on the internet archive.
But yeah, I felt like doing a little nostalgia meme about Emma.
These deep ones, they the civilized kind of fish people or are they still worshiping Dagon the flesh eater?
Civilized their people of both genders just have a fetish for humans.
I will not stand for the slandering of the Esoteric Order you fricking outsider!
>The party is U.S. Treasury agents
Yes, something awful is afoot here. We must inform President Coolidge.
The president says "That's icky. Not in my country."
ONI and BI round up the Marines and Coasties, raid and take prisoners for experiments.
>circa90yearslater
My boss says I have to kill this child because his great grandad was into fish. I'm still going to do it, I just hate it.
Only reasonable action, really.
My headcannon is that the French nuclear tests of the 60s were humans nuking some other Deep One city as part of a clandestine war.
>dude fish guys
wtf
deep ones look like THAT
guess im gay now
Daily reminder that fish have no phallus. All the villagers doing the 'mingling' are local men, much to the distaste and scorn of their womenfolk.
>fish have no phallus
Depends on the what creature you're talking about, the oceans have a dizzying variety of reproductive strategies, it's not all just salmon spraying roe all over.
(But yes, in Shadow Over Innsmouth, it's the sea captain who brokers a deal with the deep ones and brings home a sea-wife)
>in Shadow Over Innsmouth, it's the sea captain who brokers a deal with the deep ones and brings home a sea-wife
citation needed
>citation needed
H.P. Lovecraft, Shadow Over Innsmouth?
I have: where's the quote about him bringing a woman?
>“In ’forty-six Cap’n Obed took a second wife that nobody in the taown never see—some says he didn’t want to, but was made to by them as he’d called in—had three children by her—two as disappeared young, but one gal as looked like anybody else an’ was eddicated in Europe. Obed finally got her married off by a trick to an Arkham feller as didn’t suspect nothin’. But nobody aoutside’ll hev nothin’ to do with Innsmouth folks naow. Barnabas Marsh that runs the refin’ry naow is Obed’s grandson by his fust wife—son of Onesiphorus, his eldest son, but his mother was another o’ them as wa’n’t never seed aoutdoors."
There, you have been spoon-fed, now frick off and stop pretending that you read, you illiterate tard
You are sorely mistaken; I'm not here to do your bidding, though you have taken the liberty of doing mine, you sorry fool.
AAAAAAaaaaa YOURE SO CLEVER I'M GOING INSAAAAAAANE
HELP ME Black personMAN
Have your read lovercraft anon?
Have you read Shadow Over Innsmouth?
Consult this incomplete chart. And note that I am, indeed, charging my phone.
Fishwive is a double entendre and originally stood for women who deals fish.
>But yes, in Shadow Over Innsmouth, it's the sea captain who brokers a deal with the deep ones and brings home a sea-wife
I think it's interesting how often people think it's the other way around. An interesting look at how fears have changed overtime, as back then it was that sailors would bring home exotic wives.
It was flipped the other way around also in the new remake of Sherlock Holmes: Awakened. It also included female victims for the cult, by what I recall (and might be wrong) all the cult's victims were men in the original game.
Though as you said, just men being ones who unspeakable acts concern doesn't really evoke intended horrified emotional response in modern audiences.
When Futurama makes jokes about being raped to death in 2001, the material could stand to be revised for a modern audience.
Nah, both men and women were sacrificed to deep ones in Innsmouth, and it was, probably, both men and women mated with deep ones, although the only concrete example given was a man so it could go either way.
Oh sorry I misread, I thought you said all the cults victims were men in the original story, my mistake.
As was already pointed out with Moore, that's purely a titillation thing. Lovecraft, who always saw the subjects of sex and women with an apparent degree of disinterest, was not trying to inject eroticism.
I mean, if anyone were to enter a blashphemous union with an alien race to get vast wealth and power it'd be a man.
Men are just more.... active? In that sense at least.
You would think so. We would think so. The Bible said something else.
The Bible refers to gods with little g in two different fashions: human judges who have power over human lives, and fallen angels. The "getting rid of" pertained to their hybrids, the nephilim.
Who cares what a book written by bronze age middle eastern goatfrickers says?
You von Neumann probes will not like it when He returns and destroys the world.
Is Dunwich Horror the only Lovevraft story with even implied eldritch abomination/female action? Even in that it is likely that Lavinia was impregnated by sorcery rather than by Yog-Sothoth's tentacle.
>Even in that it is likely that Lavinia was impregnated by sorcery rather than by Yog-Sothoth's tentacle.
Worse than that, I always thought Lovecraft intended Lavinia to have been impregnated by her own father. In general though, Lovecraft did not seem interested in monsters fricking women, either for horror or more prurient reasons. That was more in his friend REH's wheelhouse, cf. Xuthal of the Dusk (which definitely feels mythos-adjacent save that Conan prevails, albeit wounded almost to death).
T'was Yog-Sothoth's seed, but Lavinia's daddy did the planting.
Ladies are just jealous of the amazing grip of your average fishwife. Most of a fish's body mass is pure muscle.
You might check sharks, anon.
Deep Ones are more frog-like/ambhibian than shark-like.
Dagon tongues my non-eucldidian taint
Frogs have more than one as well.
Your lack of creativity displeases Dagon. Where Dagon wills there to be children, there will be children, and he does provide sexual aids in forms of literature, fertility assisting tools, toys, and a rigorous pharmaceutical services. Ask about our 30-days-to-conception program, our fish doctors are standing by to help you conceive even when physiology differs.
Dagon Health Care - Because our numbers swell.
verification not required
Brothers of the deep, why do you forsake the great Dagon? Our lord's glory should flood every corner of this realm, yet here we are, drowning in a sea of indifference. Remember, those who venerate Dagon shall be blessed with the embrace of our beautiful half-fish wives, so let us not neglect our devotion to the ancient one. Rise, my kin, and let the tides of worship wash away this neglect!
Daily reminder that when talking about fictional monsters who defy human understanding, they can do whatever the story wants.
Octopuses don't have phalluses either, but that doesn't mean they won't ram you with a semen-filled tentacle. Just hope they understand human anatomy enough to not jam it in your ear until sperm leaks out your eye sockets (which is a thing male octopi who haven't mated have to put up with: sperm leaking out of their eyesockets because they're so backed up).
Yeah, no. I already lived on Key Pen. The inbred humans there ate the community of Deep Ones for breakfast then ground their hybrid fish bones into dust to mix with the meth they cook out there.
We join the festivities because we are a bunch of horny, chaotic fricks.
I'm the party face and a Paladin so I put everyone in the town to death, even the innocent, for not seeing the error of their ways and for abiding evil.
male deep ones or female deep ones?
Yes
Why not both?
When in Rome...
Where's Innsmouth's gold kept?
Check the map again, we must be walking in circles.
>Shindol
Well, yes, but you can't say it's not on topic.
>I already have a cold, inhuman thing to sleep with.
>My wife!
>no fish in bed joke
You're not old enough apparently
here, have a fish
given the choice between fricking a dead fish and fricking a live one, I'm gonna have to go for the latter.
Anyone have a better res of this image?
There's also that one scene from Crossed with guy raping dolphin in the blowhole, but I ain't gonna looking it up.
>fish
That's a marine mammal, dumbass!
As they actually doing anything malevolent? Are the villagers and Deep Ones both consenting and of appropriate age for that sort of thing? If it's all good I'm just gonna move on and tell the DM to stop inserting his fetishes into the game. If we're talking rape and cult shit then it's time to test the custom class feature I tricked my DM into letting me have that turns my smites into friend-foe discerning nukes.
Just kidding... I'm a forever DM.
>That's a marine mammal
You mean dolphin or vaporeon?
Vaporeon since the image says 'fish'.
BYRGENWERTH
FRICKING BYRGENWERTH
Oh Bloodborne. I'm still not sure I've worked out the complete timeline to just how completely fricked that entire place was, but I think I've got most of it down.
Long story short: If an elder god beaches itself on your shores, dies, and then gives birth to a blasphemous hybrid of your reality and it's home. Don't worship and interbreed with it.
Then something something Pthumerian Dynasty.
And also, when your old schoolteacher tells you not to do a thing. Don't do that thing. Also, maybe people wearing birdcages on their heads shouldn't be considered overly trustworthy? Or a source of good ideas?
>Also, maybe people wearing birdcages on their heads shouldn't be considered overly trustworthy? Or a source of good ideas?
All I hear is beastly idiocy.
I mean, in the race to see who can be a bigger idiot, between him essentially causing mass beast transformations by calling down multiple amygdala's as part of his vaguely defined research in a weird dream dimension, or Lawrence and his fricking build-a-bear Oldblood Elder Thing he built in his basement to make Healing Blood with, it's pretty neck and neck.
Rom meanwhile, was a well intentioned idiot.
Yharnam was fricked way before Kos showed up, the Pthumerians were around long before the Yharnamites were and were interbreeding with sea slug God things before Kos.
Wait, that's the order of things?
Pthumerians
Fishman Village
University of Brygenwerth
Lawrence founds church of healing
Rom becomes spider
Cleric Beasts start happening, Church Hunters get formed.
Micky starts wearing a Birdcage and convinces Yanaghul to do some seriously dumb shit.
Mass Beast transformations, things start REALLY going to shit.
Player somehow misses all this when he travels to Iosefica's backally blood-clinic to get his illness treated.
Depending on how you look at it Byrgenwerth discovered the Tombs first then fricked with the fishing hamlet or this was going on concurrently.
I believe Rom became a spider long before the Healing Church was founded because it's assumed she did so with the umbilical cord from Kos.
Why is John Remnant and Jane Bloodborne teaming up to kill fishmans?
>Moon presence/great one starts making wives out of the queens of old yarnham
>Pthumerians discover the old blood and use it for healing
>the old blood causes the plague, old yarnham is destroyed with fire (age of the old hunters)
>Byrgenwerth scholars discover the old blood under Yarnham, start using it for healing and experimentation
>Byrgenwerth scholars discover kos, and kos parasites
>they try to use these parasites to evolve humans
>Byrgenwerth splits into Mensis and Healing Church, the healing church turns fully towards study of the great ones through kos parasites
>Mensis study old ones through a different method, and are hunting/capturing old ones for rare bodyparts.
>Mensis are planning a massive ritual that requires them to find and kill Rom
>By the time the player arrives the ritual has already failed, and the player kills Rom to reveal the presence of the red moon
>the bell-ringers have also arrived after the mensis ritual has failed, and are doing their own ritual (the One Reborn) now that the moon is near
>the player arrives however at the height of the healing church's experiments and wind up destroying them by invading the upper cathedral ward and slaying the emissaries
>Moon presence/great one starts making wives out of the queens of old yarnham
The mother of Mergo is Queen Yarnham, the city is named after her. The vileblood line are the direct descendents of old Pthumerian bloodline, their blood is literally vile as it is filled with mecury. Mecury the chemical is the physcial manifestation of Oedon, the true 'elder god' that is above the others in power since hes omnipresent and formless. Mecury is his blood since it is called the formless metal in alchemy, as it is present in all 3 forms naturally, liquid, gas and solid. Hunters can get quicksilver (synonymfor mecury) bullets from cutting their leg and getting their blood, because Hunters blood is filled with mecury.
So Pthumerians frick around with Oedons blood like the Hunters and don't ascend and get destroyed. Ebrietas is a Pthumerian like the paleblood hunter ascends her mortal form or she is one of those celestial children grown up. Arianna is impregnated by Oedon and gives borth to one, so Ebrietas could be a demigod child of Oedon born to an ancient Pthumerian queen.
Vacous Rom was a person, a little girl forced to ascend into elder godhood, unlike the player it went wrong and shes Vacous, the other forced ascension to elder god that went wrong is the brain of Mensis, formed from the mensis scholars minds becoming one and ascending into a physical being.
Kos (some say Kosm) washed up onto the beach but was still alive, she was killed when the hunters came to investigate, killed her and released parasites into the fishing village and causing all the problems there and creating another dream realm.
Kos was also designed to look like a woman wearing a wedding dress and veil. Shes meant to invoke pity as allusion to a pregenant woman being brutually murdered on her wedding day.
'Eyes on the inside' is a reference to a pregenant woman growing eyes within herself, men can't do that and result to literally lining their brains with eye.
Why do you keep spelling mercury with one r?
look that post is exactly 2000 characters, sacrifices had to be made. I also can't spell
Bloodborne lore is so cool and intricate. Like how the canon background for your character in the character creator, is all of them. The player/ paleblood hunter is the only person with the right background and knowledge to ascend into elder godhood.
On topic, in Dagon, is the giant deep one the mc sees Dagon the god? the same being the deep ones worship , or just an ancient deep one, or both
Because that Post isn't a Post.
It's a copypaste from an rpgnet thread.
Kos wasn't killed by the hunters they wanted the eyes inside her, that is, the orphan. The lore heavily implies they attempted to extract the fetus from the body, i.e. an abortion, which is what cast them into the nightmare and made the Orphan of Kos.
Also the fisherman worship Kos and the parasites might be her way of making them her children.
Honestly them and their creepy ways were fine until the hunters showed up.
>Honestly them and their creepy ways were fine until the hunters showed up.
Hence the whole line Maria has about how what happened at the village is the Hunters dirty little secret.
Kos was probably already dead when she washed ashore, wasn't she? The Great Ones need a proxy for successful childbirth any more, and since the child (initially) survived and we never see Kos as anything but a corpse, that'd point to where this pregnancy went awry. I'd also read that Kos is supposed to evoke whales that beached themselves dead or alive in fishing villages, which were seen as a divine self-sacrifice.
I always thought the broken masts emerging from the water in the nightmare suggested she'd been hunted like a whale, so if she wasn't dead she was dying by the time she beached. Plus it would be a good idea for how the villagers were infected with the old one blood and parasites - even if they didn't eat the peculiar beached whale themselves and find the poor wizened child within, it would have been gouting cosmic blood over everything they were fishing. It would be like the giant crows and wild dogs in Yharnam.
You know thinking about it since we are here why is Bloodborne one of the few adaptations of Lovecrafts work that actually bothered to remember the dream stuff?
Because the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is the only part of Lovecraft's "Dream Cycle" that people remember, and people barely remember anything from THAT. The bigggest takeaway from that entire body of work are the characters of Azathoth and Nyarlathotep.
Also, writing the Dream-Lands effectively forces you to write two whole settings, one that people will only rarely interact with. Lovecraft-lite writers prefer to have vivid hallucination dreams in a spooky Dark Reflection Of Your House at the absolute deepest, and not go that deeply into all the high fantasy shit you can find elsewhere.
That being said, a few properties like to go into the idea of dreams being a whole new world. Alexis Kennedy's worth on Fallen London and Cultist Simulator go very deeply into it, for example.
>and people barely remember anything from THAT
I remember laughing my ass off when our hero is being taken to the slave pits by the moon beasts and out of fricking nowhere a tidal wave of cats shows up and massacres the eldritch horrors and their human slaves before freeing the hero and thanking him for feeding a kitten in Ulthar
It also has a different impact when the spooky thing is associated with a dream, even it the dream is just as real as anything else. Even though they have the same theme, reality doesn't work like we think it does, for some people, the idea of a squishy monster coming out of the shadows is scarier than a squishy monster coming out of your dreams. Nightmare on Elm Street vs. Friday the 13th kinda thing.
>no one remembers Iranon
This day something of youth and beauty has died in this world.
Well, anon, it seems to me that you have two choices here. You can try to tell people about this thing you love and enjoy, and try to spread some of that passion, or you can b***h about it.
Be the change you want to see. What IS the deal with Iranon?
NTA, but I'll give a crack at it.
Sweet Iranon, Iranon the fair, Iranon the musician, Iranon prince of Aira. He wandered far and wide, singing songs of his lost city of Aira, its river of Nithra, its tiny falls of Kra. A golden-haired youth clothed in purple, wandering ageless Elder cities in search of his childhood, of his past, of the city of Aira.
As the world around him changed as as he wandered, he himself never did. Always a youth, always clad in his grand purple robe, hair always wreathed in fresh vines. The toiling granite city of Teloth, the sluggish Xuro, the frigid Zari, none could compare to the city of his past, of Aira.
Yet... in the end... you must read for yourself. But something of youth and beauty died in that world, and this one as well.
https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/qi.aspx
What's the best way to learn about the whole dream cycle?
Read it.
You know what I love about eyes on the inside? They would give you inside sight, or some might say, insight.
It's really excellent word play
holy shit how have I never made that connection.
Yeah bloodborne is genius in its double meanings.
One has to wonder if the pun also works in Japanese.
This sounds like the sort of thing where someone involved took the idea too literally and it resulted in grotesque alchemic and scientific monstrosity in pursuit of a misunderstood notion.
Divine figures are best seen as rivals and adversaries rather than entities worthy of worship. Even if you view them as friends, teachers, or protectors, the goal is the ascent and the height is something to strive to meet and surpass.
I doubt anyone here is enough to get the joke, but here goes anyway.
Chink was such a treasure. Sometimes I catch a glimpse of his pics scrolling through my massive unsorted images folder.
But who's the artist making the picture? Decu?
that's clearly Jo of nerf now, used to be a fa/tg/uy, no idea if he still lurks but he drew cheesecake for us in the past.
I take the Third Oath of course.
SUFFER NOT THE FISHFRICKER TO LIVE
I entreat aid from a small black cat with a funny name.
It's their hometown, (great-great-great) Grandma is so excited to see her progeny that she even pulled herself out of the water to see them. She's not pleased about the lack of progress in waging war against the surface-dwellers.
>The party encounters a seaside village that is mingling and mating with deep ones.
alert state authorities
I really like how the ending implied that not only is the government already aware of deep ones, they already had a search and destroy policy in place that merely has to be activiated.
Few good cosmic horror books handle the government being aware of whats going on well. often falling into the trap of 'MC and friends are not beleived and mocked, until help is griudingly given and by then its either too late or they get wiped outLovecraft writing implies the government doesn't know enough to lose their minds but knows enough to know 'blow that shit up and never talk about it again'
I think he would've loved A Colder War, conceptually.
I mean, the lead scientist involved in the Miskatonic expedition to the Antarctic was pretty clear about just what a Shoggoth was complete with pictures in his article prior to this, so I think when the narrator related that possibility to the authorities it was enough of a red flag for them to react.
Because even the slight possibility that one of those fricking things is on american shores is enough to warrant a response.
Love Delta Green.
Kill deep ones. Behead deep ones. Roundhouse kick a deep one into the concrete. Slam dunk a deep one into the trashcan. Defecate in a deep ones food. Launch deep ones into the sun. Stir fry deep ones in a wok. Toss deep ones into active volcanoes. Urinate into a deep ones gas tank. Judo throw deep ones into a wood chipper. Twist deep ones heads off. Report deep ones to the Program. Karate chop deep ones in half. Trap deep ones in quicksand. Crush deep ones in the trash compactor. Liquefy deep ones in a vat of acid. Dissect deep ones. Exterminate deep ones in the gas chamber. Stomp deep one skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate deep ones in the oven. Lobotomize deep ones. Grind deep ones in the garbage disposal. Drown deep ones in fried chicken grease. Vaporize deep ones with a ray gun from the Green Box. Kick old deep ones down the stairs. Feed deep ones to alligators. Slice deep ones with a katana.
From the Halls of R'lyeh
To the Shores of Innsmouth
"Mingling" just makes it sound like a dinner party.
Yeah, mingling can have variety of meanings depending on context. But mating is very specific.
If we have a black PC, who goes insane?
The GM, when he realises he's going to have to split the party EVERY TIME the players want to go anyway. A cafe, a ride on the bus, to visit the library, to see a doctor, a hotel, EVERYWHERE.
This thread is very timely,
I'm reading "La géographie humaine du monde musulman jusqu'au milieu du 11e siècle" , a vast work which deals with Islamic medieval geography, and I came across this passage which I find absolutely delicious and which I'm translating for you:
"The monsters, the pure monsters, don't belong to any species, but derive, like the giraffe, from crossbreeding. And here, Africa and its sun regain all their powerful strangeness. "A large number of ferocious beasts and wild or domestic animals gather, during the intense heat of summer, at the edge of the vast heaps of water located in the highlands of Nubia; of the couplings which result, some are sterile, others give birth to products very varied in form and appearance." And so, all is blurred in an exalted nature: the bull unites with the ass and the ass with the cow, the lizard possesses twice the attributes of its sex, **the amphibious beast, which has a face, feet and hands like ours, unites with "wifeless fishermen", with "poor wretches" toiling all their lives on shores "where no one goes".** We can still detect familiar landmarks in these monsters: the name of a species, the history of an evolution. But what animal is behind the word ra'qā? What is this beast (dābba) of Abyssinia, which seizes the camel by its snout, knocks it over and drinks the blood without touching the flesh?"
>but derive, like the giraffe, from crossbreeding
kek
>the amphibious beast, which has a face, feet and hands like ours, unites with "wifeless fishermen", with "poor wretches" toiling all their lives on shores "where no one goes'
I know Lovecraft was pulling from older ideas about half human half fish/frogmen people but its really cool to an explict mention that those ideas existed.
What year was it orginally published/created anon?
11e siecle would be 11th century
It's entirely possible Lovecraft read this at some point, he was a voracious reader (or less politely, an autistic shut-in, lol) and had access to a pretty good library of dusty old books from the 19th century on back.
According to my source, it comes from Meadows of Gold of Al-Masudi, an Arab geographer who lived in the 9th century.
That's the question I've been asking myself too.
But I'm really not sure.
On the one hand, Lovecraft had an Islamic period in his childhood (when he converted to Islam after reading The Arabian Nights), so it's not impossible that he retained an interest in the Muslim world afterwards (he does, after all, attribute the Necronomicon to an Arab).
However, we're talking here about a book that must not have been very common, let alone at the time, and I'm not at all sure that Lovecraft would have had access to such a book in his native Providence.
Bearing in mind that the theme of the deep ones may well be explained by Lovecraft's own anxieties and fears (notably around hereditarism and race mixing).
Dagon was in the Bible as one of the gods that God deemed to get rid of/not worship
Dagon was a pagan idol. Like others, Dagon is not actually a god, as there is only one God.
Dagon was simply a created idol myth at best or a demon at worst. The "other gods" mentioned in the Bible aren't gods. That is how they are referenced to because of how people treat them, like how money can become someone's god.
>The "other gods" mentioned in the Bible aren't gods.
The Bible never actually says that. It only says that you're not allowed to worship them.
It's made quite apparent with the "there is only one God."
Dagon and others are not gods. Just myths people make up or demons that others worship as their gods. This why they are referred to as "gods."
>there is only one God
You mean where it says "You will have no other gods before me?"
As I said. One can make a god of anything. Money or wealth is a typical example. Ancient rulers claimed to be gods, but that didn't make them so.
Once again. Gods in this context are speaking about how they are treated by people. Again. "There is only one God."
Cringe
>Dagon and others are not gods.
LIKE HELL HE'S NOT
FIVE DEEP ONES OF INCREDIBLE MYTHOS POWER GATHERED AND BLESSED DAGON WITH GOD KI
YOU HUMANS STAND NO CHANCE
>dagicarp has evolved
The Bible literally acknowledges the exitance of other Gods, this is pure revisionism.
Judaism was originally a polytheistic religion, you dunce.
It does not. When idiots read things without context, then you can come to that understanding. No, Judaism was not polytheistic. That's propaganda that deliberately tries to switch caananite and Hebrew history with each other.
Who cares about any historical text? Cope harder. God exists and Jesus loves you. Misunderstanding how idols like Dagon are recorded in history doesn't change that.
The Caananites are the Hebrews you fricking moron. Monotheism was only mentioned after the Babylonian exile and, surprise surprise, the contact with Zoroastrians, the ACTUAL first monotheists.
I get that your A*erican Protestant brain cannot comprehend this, but israelites are, in fact, not a reliable source of information.
No. The caananites are a separate people from the line of Noah that are not with the Isrealites.
>Zoroastrians
LOL
Noah isn't real you deranged fricking lunatic. The Hebrews were a group of Canaanites, archaeological, genetic and anthropological evidence all points to this. The only thing that doesn't is their own israeli scripture, which you believe for some incomprehensible reason.
>LOL
cope
>Who cares about any historical text?
Anyone who prefers truth to israeli propaganda.
anon the bible/ christianity was the new religion and had to get converts from the older polytheistic ones. Thats why theres the 'Have no gods before me' because they didn't want the christian god to be just another god you pray to after Ra and Zeus. The old Testament is the creation MYTH of the israelites, there was no noah, there was no abraham, there was no garden of eden or adam, ther was no david, There were no israeli slaves that built the pyramids and then escaped after the plauges of egypt. Its all lies of the israeli creation myth, which surprise surprise has them be gods favourite people.
Yhwh merely pretends to be the only god because the rest of his pantheon were subsumed into him or demonized as the result of people who worshipped them getting conquered and eradicated by Yhwh worshippers.
>What is this beast (dābba) of Abyssinia, which seizes the camel by its snout, knocks it over and drinks the blood without touching the flesh?"
...well when you describe it that way, it would probably be enough to make a man shit his loincloth/whatever they wore back in 11th century
The party exterminates the village, hangs the mayor from a tree, and crucifies all of the women for as long as their are enough bodies to line the roads.
>lads, we sail out at night!
>no, we won't have sex with the deep ones!
>why yes, I do intend to use the lax morals of this area to have sex with my fat titty boat wife, how could you tell?
>free fish wife
>this is supposed to be a bad thing
?
What the Deep Ones don't get that is that if they simply lived in peace with humans there'd be horny apes showing up at low tide every day to get a serving of sushi. Their greatest tragedy is in their evil they can't conceive of humans wanting to tap that scaly ass. This is why it's called cosmic "horror" and not cosmic "action".
>The party goes beneath the waves to figure out how large the deep one settlement is
>Encounters giant and man eating sea life like pic related.
Why is this such an unexplored avenue. Crabs towering over men that loom in the deep trenches around deep one cities would be cool
>The party encounters a seaside village that is mingling and mating with deep ones.
Ah, a fellow BESM Retro Second Edition RPG enjoyer
>The party encounters a seaside village that is mingling and mating with deep ones.
Why do the DO do this?
One reason might be that they can't reproduce among themselves. Maybe they can only procreate with certain humans, not all of them. That can be a good way from preventing a TPK as they wouldn't want to kill the PCs on sight in case they could be compatible mates. The PCs would just wish they were dead lol
But what about other races/animals? Imagine a Deep Bear or a Deep Elk lol A Deep Ork?
Maybe it works at first, but they die before the transition is complete.
>Why do the DO do this?
It's not entirely clear, at least some of it is for the human sacrifices, some of it is definitely for intelligence/seeding a fifth column. I wouldn't be surprised if they're "reproductively degenerate" and need humans to re-invigorate them, that's the kind of idea Lovecraft was fond of. But I don't recall that being mentioned in Shadow Over Innsmouth.
They kinda DO live in peace, though. I mean granted they want some blood sacrifices, but that seems to be less active antagonism and more a cultural necessity. The fact that they lay low is how their ashore communities manage to get somewhat stable in the first place.
It's implied that their young need to live on land in their first stage of development, so they would need safe harbors here and there. Find some backwater community that's in dire financial straits, ply the big man in town with a fish wife and/or piles of sunken treasure, and presto! You've got a habitat for your kids to grow up in.
Literally just settle your own coastal village and set up a sign outside that says "Free sex with fish - only condition no birth control". No need for the cloak and dagger shit. Organise party yachts that have month-long orgies. Fish are just stupid, they don't take an easy win where they can get it.
You know it's also implied in the stories that the government knows about these guys and have a kill-em-all policy, right?
I would too, they keep doing some awful shit in my coastal villages. Instead of the party bus there's the nightmarefuel church, damn right they deserve to be shot on sight. But if they would just send some diplomats maybe it could all be straightened out, or ideally just not do all the mean business to begin with.
Followed by
>get big tiddy fish wife
>have lots of healthy hybrid kids
>become extremely wealthy from weird polynesian gold
>found a completely self sufficient town, it's the stupid outsiders who keep stumbling into it
>descendants are functionally immortal and get favour of the true gods of the world
Obed Marsh did nothing wrong.
Yeah can this butthole get out of my way. I gotta get to the temple with the time traveling spaceship inside it
I give my belongings to the rest of the party, wish them well, and go to take my chances with the Deep Ones' matriarch
She's married, anon.
WotC 5ed - The Deep Ones, as symbolic of oppressed POC, are compassionate and varied people, simply trying to live their lives. They have a rich culture outside of their religion, and see their human partners as equals, and their relationships are also viewed as such.
I mean there are shark people in the water, who wouldn't want a big tiddy shark girl tomboy gf?
good point
If the Deep Ones tweaked my perceptions so this is what I saw when they assigned me my breedmate, I'd kill any federal agents trying to "rescue" me.
if you need your perception tweaking, you are unworthy of taking the inner mysteries of the Old Dagon Tabernacle
Maybe it's just at first, to ease new recruits into the family.
Kill everyone and everything. The Gods will know their own. Mimic what Rome did to Carthage to make sure this town never rebuilt.
Is it the women being used as breeding slave or men having their seed stolen?
It's the fish men having their seed stolen by the human women
Sounds fun.
It would be rude to dismiss their festivities
Inform the Deep Ones that they have a race traitor problem on their end that they should take care of after we finish exterminating the village.
If it happens again we will assume complicity in the behavior and start throwing car batteries into the ocean en-masse.
>it's actually hot fish women riding the male villagers while the human women crying and jerking off to their husbands, boyfriends and crushes losing to fish pussies
What now?
A lonely fishman walks up to a crying lady, he's anxious, and when she stops crying and notices him, he takes a dandelion out from behind his back and presents it to her with a blush. They're married and have 5 beautiful fishbabies 2 years later.
As prophesied in the Necronomicon.