>this pokémon that gained stab off its higher attack stat due to the physical special split suffered from the physical special split
objectively incorrect and totally delusional if serious
Also for awhile the UU of one generation would represent the OU of the previous, DDPUU is similar to ADVOU. A tier that Sneasel was unviable in (gee I wonder why it went to DPPNU! Curious!) Also this gay trying really hard to be Splitgay is ignoring Weavile (Just like Splitgay!)
Not to mention >that very example got powercrept, due to gaining a final evolutionary form+stat boost
Love how splittard ignores the wood for the trees.
Which it never should have had in the first place. Why the frick did Alakazam, a pokemon that was already top tier both in game and competitively, (s)need more coverage (that it shouldn’t even logically be able to use) while a quarter of the dex can’t even use STAB?
>"GUYS, ITS A LOWER TIER, IT MUST BE BAD!"
Weavile outclasses it in OU.
DPP's UU is understood to be the same powerlevel as RSE's OU.
Its got usage in NU and sees use.
Please stop gargling on dicks OP. It makes you post fricking terrible threads which shit up the catalog.
> Sneasel can be used in any tier in Gen 4
Cool! So why is it NU and not UU?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because no one used it in the Gen 4 UU meta so it fell to NU.
There is no ladder for Gen 4 anymore so it's irrelevant
6 months ago
Anonymous
> Because no one used it in the Gen 4 UU meta
Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sneasel was vastly improved by physical Dark and Ice attacks
It has far higher ATK than SPL ATK.
it was not used in OU because Weavile exists.
It was not used in UU because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta of the time
hope this helps, anon who was likely a child when DPP was a relevant meta
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It was not used in UU because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because the game's power level generally increased? It's not exactly rocket science and as another anon itt said there wasn't any sub-UU tiers besides NU at the time. Also gen 4 added rocks and that speaks for itself. Fighting becomes a good type by gen 4 too and that doesn't bode well for a quad weakness.
I don't even get what the point here is in the first place given that Sneasal gets literally nothing from pre-split and gains everything from it. Are you trying to claim that le split bad because a mon that on paper should benefit from it instead goes down a tier because of powercreep?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Because the game's power level generally increased?
oh....so the phys/spec split didn't actually make it better?
>goes down a tier because of powercreep
anon...what do you think is one of the major contributors of that power creep? could it be every single pokemon in the game suddenly being able to run STABs with their highest stat exactly like Sneasel?
>Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because they added new Pokémon and Gen 4 was the start of move creep? You're being intentionally dense it you can't see why rhyperior and toxicroak (who practically runs the tier alongside Venu btw) being dropped into UU would make Sneasal less viable. Also why are you under the impression the split is an anti-powercreep measure and not just a game design decision.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>rhyperior and toxicroak (who practically runs the tier alongside Venu btw) being dropped into UU would make Sneasal less viable
this combined with lack of 4X weak to Ice Dragons and not many important pursuit targets, with Drapion and Skuntank just being much stronger for that role
6 months ago
Anonymous
>the phys/spec split didn't make anything better but it also brought power creep despite not improving anything
Ok?
Because they added new Pokémon and Gen 4 was the start of move creep? You're being intentionally dense it you can't see why rhyperior and toxicroak (who practically runs the tier alongside Venu btw) being dropped into UU would make Sneasal less viable. Also why are you under the impression the split is an anti-powercreep measure and not just a game design decision.
> and Gen 4 was the start of move creep
You mean the move creep that was caused by the phys/spec split?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Correct
So there is no power creep.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I’m glad you agree the phys/spec split didn’t make Sneasel better.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Proof?
6 months ago
Anonymous
So you're just going to argue the split is bad for power creep and it didn't improve any pokemon at the same time?
It was outclassed by its own evolution, dumbass. Had Weavile come out before the split it would’ve been shit too.
Also remember RU didn’t even exist in gen 4 so gen 4 NU is roughly equal in power to gen 3 UU.
>mons that were banned from ADV UU that made it to DPP UU
Arcanine
Registeel
Blaziken
Hariyama
Donphan
Entei
Houndoom
Ludicolo
Miltank
Swellow
Steelix
Regirock
There's something quite schizophrenic in particular about anti-split posts. There's no actual point being made by the anti-splitgay. It's very obvious that anon just heard: >Gens 1-3 are ok but I like split gameplay better
too many times and in typical /vp/ fashion became mindbroken over it and tries too hard to deboonk it.
The problem is people don't think of themselves as contrarians. After a while they just genuinely believe that they're always right, and they want to be angry, so everyone else *must* be "wrong" whether that's reality or not.
You saw it happen in real time a ton with the last few games here. The "logic" of doomposts went from >most people enjoy SwSh -> they are wrong, so I have to hate SwSh to be correct
To >I enjoy Legends -> I'm right, so everyone else has to hate it to be wrong
Even after LA was reasonably popular, the contrarians had already gotten themselves too mad to see it. So they made up an argument about the rest of the fanbase blindy praising BDSP while hating LA so that there was an enemy to be more correct than.
>there's no actual point in preferring a more balanced less coin flippy game where every pokemon can do everything because zoomers are too moronic to learn how to make sets
NTA, Except Sneasel doesn't prove split is bad because there was no need for a Dark/Ice type in Gen 4 UU. Also if there was no Split but everything else was the same, it's evolution would've been NU and it would've been untiered. Hope this helps, You need more than one example, Antisplitgay.
And you have been arguing that nothing actually improved like with Sneasel, so I'm not seeing how exactly the game was harmed by the split. Do you just think Gengar going for maximum damage with punches instead of going for maximum damage with stab is just more quirky or something?
Weavile and Sneasel were garbage in gen 4 because they had no strong moves. They got good starting with gen 6 when they got access to strong moves (buffed Knock Off, Icicle Crash and Triple Axel in gen 8). Weavile in fact turned briefly bad again in gen 9 because the moves that made it good were temporarily taken away from it.
-od
/thread
Fpbp
No shit sneasel dropped in usage when it got an evo that’s objectively better
How do I use Magikarp in Ubers?
-ood.
only mentally ills care about muh cometitive
>goood
>this pokémon that gained stab off its higher attack stat due to the physical special split suffered from the physical special split
objectively incorrect and totally delusional if serious
Went from UU to NU so no, it didn't benefit from the phys/spec split
Movesets used to be more varied and fun pre split.
it didn't benefit from being outclassed, chiefly by ITS OWN EVOLUTION, not due to the physical special split that it strictly benefited from
Also for awhile the UU of one generation would represent the OU of the previous, DDPUU is similar to ADVOU. A tier that Sneasel was unviable in (gee I wonder why it went to DPPNU! Curious!) Also this gay trying really hard to be Splitgay is ignoring Weavile (Just like Splitgay!)
>Went from UU to NU so no, it didn't benefit from the phys/spec split
Bruh. It's outclassed by Weavile and also entered the first power-creep meta.
> Bruh. It's outclassed by Weavile
od
More interesting moves and varied stat spreads are worth some lame weasel
This bait again?
Gotta go back to a classic after people aren't falling for the Anti-Unova threads anymore.
It is. A classic one at that. It's ignoring gaining an evolution to pretend that it became worse.
I agree, the physical/special split should've never changed the color of Sneasel.That was really messed up of it.
ignoring that it gained an evo than never fell below UU in 5 gens, OP?
>the split was the issue and not a bunch of new pokemon being added that powercreeps the old ones
Not to mention
>that very example got powercrept, due to gaining a final evolutionary form+stat boost
Love how splittard ignores the wood for the trees.
kill compBlack folk
Splittard's off his meds again.
You literally cannot name 1 mon that was hurt by the physical special split
Alakazam lost the elemental punches
Gained Shadow Ball as special
Gained Fighting Special
ghost and fighting type moves have no competitive use
then why did gamefreak nerf fighting in gen 6
RETARF
post ELO
They literally invented the fairy type to stop the fightingCHADs from dominating
frick alakazam
Oh no, it has to physically attack with its physical stat. How dare the game make logical sense.
Which it never should have had in the first place. Why the frick did Alakazam, a pokemon that was already top tier both in game and competitively, (s)need more coverage (that it shouldn’t even logically be able to use) while a quarter of the dex can’t even use STAB?
not the moron OP but sceptile got fricking screwed
Sceptile was always fricking shit.
Jimothy pls
Don't enough people play gen 3 OU now?
>"GUYS, ITS A LOWER TIER, IT MUST BE BAD!"
Weavile outclasses it in OU.
DPP's UU is understood to be the same powerlevel as RSE's OU.
Its got usage in NU and sees use.
Please stop gargling on dicks OP. It makes you post fricking terrible threads which shit up the catalog.
>not in LC despite getting a busted evo
>split was.. le bad!
Being NU in Gen 4 is higher up than being UU in Gen 3. Slaking was BL in Gen 3 while it’s NU in Gen 4, so if anything Sneasel was absolutely buffed
sneedler rules
>picks a pokemon that evolved in the generation
What did OP mean by this?
And may I ask pray tell, why Sneasel should be used over its evolution (Weavile) in competitive?
How do I use Weavile in UU?
Is that your best counter
yes since clearly you don’t have an argument against it
You don't have a legitimate argument in the first place.
Sneasel can be used in any tier in Gen 4. Weavile cannot be used below OU
> Sneasel can be used in any tier in Gen 4
Cool! So why is it NU and not UU?
Because no one used it in the Gen 4 UU meta so it fell to NU.
There is no ladder for Gen 4 anymore so it's irrelevant
> Because no one used it in the Gen 4 UU meta
Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
Sneasel was vastly improved by physical Dark and Ice attacks
It has far higher ATK than SPL ATK.
it was not used in OU because Weavile exists.
It was not used in UU because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta of the time
hope this helps, anon who was likely a child when DPP was a relevant meta
>It was not used in UU because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
>Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
Because the game's power level generally increased? It's not exactly rocket science and as another anon itt said there wasn't any sub-UU tiers besides NU at the time. Also gen 4 added rocks and that speaks for itself. Fighting becomes a good type by gen 4 too and that doesn't bode well for a quad weakness.
I don't even get what the point here is in the first place given that Sneasal gets literally nothing from pre-split and gains everything from it. Are you trying to claim that le split bad because a mon that on paper should benefit from it instead goes down a tier because of powercreep?
>Because the game's power level generally increased?
oh....so the phys/spec split didn't actually make it better?
>goes down a tier because of powercreep
anon...what do you think is one of the major contributors of that power creep? could it be every single pokemon in the game suddenly being able to run STABs with their highest stat exactly like Sneasel?
Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
>Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
Because they added new Pokémon and Gen 4 was the start of move creep? You're being intentionally dense it you can't see why rhyperior and toxicroak (who practically runs the tier alongside Venu btw) being dropped into UU would make Sneasal less viable. Also why are you under the impression the split is an anti-powercreep measure and not just a game design decision.
>rhyperior and toxicroak (who practically runs the tier alongside Venu btw) being dropped into UU would make Sneasal less viable
this combined with lack of 4X weak to Ice Dragons and not many important pursuit targets, with Drapion and Skuntank just being much stronger for that role
>the phys/spec split didn't make anything better but it also brought power creep despite not improving anything
Ok?
>phys/spec split didn’t improve anything
Correct. I’m glad you’re starting to understand.
> and Gen 4 was the start of move creep
You mean the move creep that was caused by the phys/spec split?
>Correct
So there is no power creep.
I’m glad you agree the phys/spec split didn’t make Sneasel better.
Proof?
So you're just going to argue the split is bad for power creep and it didn't improve any pokemon at the same time?
It was outclassed by its own evolution, dumbass. Had Weavile come out before the split it would’ve been shit too.
Also remember RU didn’t even exist in gen 4 so gen 4 NU is roughly equal in power to gen 3 UU.
> It was outclassed by its own evolution, dumbass
literally a smogon problem, you are just moronic
>fanfic meta
Why are Gen 3 babies the biggest shitters?
>mons that were banned from ADV UU that made it to DPP UU
Arcanine
Registeel
Blaziken
Hariyama
Donphan
Entei
Houndoom
Ludicolo
Miltank
Swellow
Steelix
Regirock
Why it's called ADV UU and not RSE UU?
It also includes FRLG stuff. ADV is used because they were on the game boy ADVance
same reason it's ORAS OU and not XY OU: a new game came out.
>goes from a c- viability in UU in ADV to a C tier viability in DPP NU
Sounds like its general usability went up, anon.
>has UU analysis
you can shut up now moron
I think im going dyslexic from reading over and over again
>Why? I thought the phys/spec split was supposed to make it good?
>because there was no need for a Dark/Ice in the meta
Jesus homie ITS BECAUSE ITS STATS ARENT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE USED IN UU AAAAAAA TYPE DOESNT MATTER SSQGSTARTUHHEHEHEGAGHA STOP SAYING DIMBASSS THINGS
>TYPE DOESNT MATTER SSQGSTARTUHHEHEHEGAGHA STOP SAYING DIMBASSS THINGS
Yes it does.
Floatzel is good in the tier and has very similar stats to Sneasel
>swift swim
Floatzel already outspeeds everything without Rain
>>The physical/special split was go-
-ofy as frick, and only dsbabbies think it was well executed.
Ive been playing Pokemon games since RB launched in NA.
the split was the best thing to happen to the series.
There's something quite schizophrenic in particular about anti-split posts. There's no actual point being made by the anti-splitgay. It's very obvious that anon just heard:
>Gens 1-3 are ok but I like split gameplay better
too many times and in typical /vp/ fashion became mindbroken over it and tries too hard to deboonk it.
Being a contrarian should really be seen as a neutral instead of positive thing. Not everything has to be a unique hot take.
The problem is people don't think of themselves as contrarians. After a while they just genuinely believe that they're always right, and they want to be angry, so everyone else *must* be "wrong" whether that's reality or not.
You saw it happen in real time a ton with the last few games here. The "logic" of doomposts went from
>most people enjoy SwSh -> they are wrong, so I have to hate SwSh to be correct
To
>I enjoy Legends -> I'm right, so everyone else has to hate it to be wrong
Even after LA was reasonably popular, the contrarians had already gotten themselves too mad to see it. So they made up an argument about the rest of the fanbase blindy praising BDSP while hating LA so that there was an enemy to be more correct than.
the contrarian take is to like SwSh
See this is the type of crazy I'm talking about. Just deny reality altogether and you can never be wrong.
>there's no actual point in preferring a more balanced less coin flippy game where every pokemon can do everything because zoomers are too moronic to learn how to make sets
NTA, Except Sneasel doesn't prove split is bad because there was no need for a Dark/Ice type in Gen 4 UU. Also if there was no Split but everything else was the same, it's evolution would've been NU and it would've been untiered. Hope this helps, You need more than one example, Antisplitgay.
> there was no need for a Dark/Ice type in Gen 4 UU
If the Pokemon was actually good there would be a need for it.
They already explained to you, the lack of x4 times weak dragons and the abundance of fighting types make sneasel not viable, not the split
And you have been arguing that nothing actually improved like with Sneasel, so I'm not seeing how exactly the game was harmed by the split. Do you just think Gengar going for maximum damage with punches instead of going for maximum damage with stab is just more quirky or something?
-necessary
I don't fricking care about the impact it had, it makes zero fricking sense why my Hitmonchan deals no fricking when using thunder punch
Weavile and Sneasel were garbage in gen 4 because they had no strong moves. They got good starting with gen 6 when they got access to strong moves (buffed Knock Off, Icicle Crash and Triple Axel in gen 8). Weavile in fact turned briefly bad again in gen 9 because the moves that made it good were temporarily taken away from it.
Gen 3 UUBL is so massive it's essentially a full tier
RU wasn't introduced until gen 5
Therefore Sneasel didn't practically drop a tier
>fanfic meta
once a shitmon, always a shitmon