The reputation Chrono Cross has online genuinely feels insane to me.
This game is just packed with so much content and is filled with charm and a grand sense of adventure, it's basically everything I could ever want out of a JRPG distilled into one single package.
The moment I see this game in any way, I always think about MajinObama's intro. It fits so well.
It's a great game. Back in the day it was one of the few games that got a 10/10 on Gamespot, which actually meant something.
People who dislike it are tryhard contrarian gays.
> People who dislike it are tryhard contrarian gays.
>Game financially flopped so hard it killed the series
Ok. I’m not sure those words mean what you think they mean.
>series
There was no series, you gigantic gay.
>financially flopped
It got a Greatest Hits re-release-- it was not a financial flop.
Where are you even getting that information? What you posted isn't even a fricking article.
The video is about all the 10's Gamespot has ever given when they get to Chrono Cross they tell you how it got a 10.
Checks out.
I still agree with the idea that the game is a 10/10. It is the golden standard of JRPGs, especially of that era. Anyone who has played CC who is a fan of the genre (and who isn't some butthurt contrarian twat) knows that it is a beautiful fricking experience from start to finish. FFVII is one of my most favorite games, but CC has a refinement to it that makes it even greater than FFVII In terms of pure aesthetic novelty.
More games should aspire to be like CC than like FFVII. I would even argue that Undertale's success is due to it being more like CC than like FFVII, because it's a game that complies with the aesthetic requirements of a JRPG.
It's a game with incredibly good atmosphere, and aesthetics as that alone hardcarries the whole game. Yes the game has a lot to offer but as an adult you notice painfully obvious flaws, and these are pretty huge ones.
Its bloated as frick with unnecessary characters. There is too many of them, and the game expects you to give a shit about every single one of them. I know they tried to pull a more character driven stuff, but its not very good. There is no dynamic at all between them, the interesting conversations are like: okay two of them met, small cutscene, now continue. Its nice but unimpactful.
It has a lot of interesting bits, but thats it. Those never really come out, its like having a notepad full of points, but never writing anything around them.
The main flaw is that its named chrono cross and tries to get connceted to it.
a game flopping doesn't mean it was not good, it means it lacked sales
It didn't flop in any case, anon.
Games that were given the "Greatest Hits" treatment in the US were games that sold like hotcakes. Chrono Cross got the Greatest Hits treatment for that very reason.
Barrycuck
I hate CC but it was not a flop, it sold just as much as CT
Chrono Trigger per SquareSoft themseves was a game that flopped, which was cited as why the series died.
You know how the game got a 10?
https://www.gamespot.com/videos/looking-back-on-all-of-gamespots-10-10-reviews/2300-6421843/
>Gamespot outsourced the review to some guy cuz nobody wanted to play that shit
>random guy says it's a 10
>no one on staff could verify so they believed him
IGN and other big outlets gave it perfect scores. It has like a 94 on metacritic. Only terminally autistic trigger fans and adhd zoomers hate it
Every review described SoulCalibur as flawless and the only reason it wasn't higher than Ocarina of Time was because some critics complained that it lacked fatalities and projectiles like Mortal Kombat.
Let's face it, everyone know that OoT's is the only 10 that anyone actually takes seriously. Soul Calibur and THPS2 are each solid in their own right, but aren't marked out as unique all time greats among their respective series.
Only tendies care about Zelda OOT and this is mainly because of console wars and N64 having such a poor library they desperately needed to overrate the few games they had.
There was nothing original about OOT, it was just a copy from games like Tomb Raider or Goemon 64. Even the auto-aiming was stolen from Tomb Raider.
If Zelda weren't a Nintendo game, people would openly talk about its atrocious framerate, its desertic central map, its mediocre midi soundtrack, the braindead puzzles and battles, the hideous designs of the supporting characters, the generic plot and archetypical characters, the slow texts...
Soul Calibur is a vastly more polished game, and fighting games are precisely among the games that benefited the most from moving to the next generation. The improved framerate, animations and physics greatly improved the gameplay of these games.
>it was just a copy from games like Tomb Raider or Goemon 64. Even the auto-aiming was stolen from Tomb Raider.
At this point, given how many times this conversation has played out, the only response this deserves is you are a troll and yes, I'm actually playing through MNS Goemon right now, it's really damn good, and like Megaman:Legends I hate that it's mostly talked about now in terms of "owning OoT fans" and such bullshit. OG Tomb Raider is also one of my all time favorites too..
>If Zelda weren't a Nintendo game
Look, the 'Nintendo bonus' isn't a real thing. Nintendo are really just that good, and I can say this having mostly grown up with non-Nintendo systems. Other devs don't come close to the same level of polish and careful design when they put out their best, and OoT is the peak of their efforts. Understand that when I say this I'm well aware of the game's genuine flaws and how much better it potentially could have been so much so that I'm working on modding it myself, and Miyamoto lamented in the end that they had made the game too easy in many ways, and wished he had a few extra months to fully refine it.
Best bait I've seen all year, but the reference to soul calibur gave it away, nobody is this stupid.
>People who dislike it are tryhard contrarian gays.
Sooooo the entirety of Ganker?
All the kids on this site now are here just to troll or are spoiled iPad kiddies that simply can't believe how anyone could play, enjoy and discuss something they hate. Can't they see it's shit because they said so???
Yeah, it had great reception when released. Some CT fans weren't happy with it as a sequel, but even then a lot of them still liked the game.
Wasn't just Gamespot though, other magazines all rated it highly too. EGM even rated it higher than Chrono Trigger.
It's sin was not being Chrono Trigger 2. You just can't expect people to not make comparisons and have expectations.
Square is fricking moronic for thinking that a sequel to Trigger should be like this
Wasn't CC/Radical Dreamers was supposed to be its own series before Square forced it to be a Chrono game?
No, the moment Zeal, Schala, and Lavos is brought into the picture, RD was always going to be a sequel to CT.
You just can't put in elements of CT and pretend they are not connected, especially when the main purpose of RD was to resolve the Schala question.
i think what he ment that CC/radical dreamers started as there own game but got forced to add CT story elements to tap into the CT fanbase.
This in mind explains some lackluster story beats and rushes.
>See this CT plotpoint/character? ITS DEAD NOW!
>Why? Becouse we dont want to tell retell or continue storybeats of the old game we want to do something NEW!
at least i got the impression from it.
Why didn't they just make an actual sequel, with the Dragon Ball art style and all?
Possibly because CT wasn't the massive success that Square expected it to be. They were possibly looking for FF6 numbers.
RD was probably okayed because it was some cheap point and click adventure for some defunct PC console.
CC might have been okayed, and ultimately reworked as a CT sequel, because FF7-8 did super well, and Square wanted to keep the JRPG gravy train running.
As for why a sequel to CC wasn't made after it too did amazing numbers, was probably because Square was going to see a massive crash with FF: Spirits Within bombing and taking their new movie studios with it. Heads were going to roll after that disaster, and Square became a far different country overnight.
Kind of, but no. Square didn't force it in RD. Kato wrote RD intending it to be something else, then halfway through it said, "wait a minute": and then made it into the follow up to Chrono Trigger. So you're partially correct in that he was struck with inspiration part way through the process to go in a different direction than the one he intended at the start.
Chrono Cross is easily one of the best JRPGs of all time regardless of supposedly killing off CT's crew. Their fate is left so vague that I just believe they are off on some other adventure through time.
I just assume at the end the timelines are fixed and everybody lived happily ever after, the director of the game said it was up to interpretation what happened by the end
Weeaboos can't handle the previous hero being effectively murdered to set up the sequel? Diablo did this and everyone handled it quite well.
I mean, this was on the level of super saiyan goku getting done in by a saibaman.
Who killed them? It wasn't Dalton up until the DS release
The game implies there was someone else from the erased time-lines who was behind it all. We now know Dalton was involved but it's not guaranteed he was the only one.
it was always hinted to be dalton
Even before the DS release there were always rumors about how Porre became such a power house.
Who had the ability to make masamune sleep
Who wore orange etc
They never finished the Porre/Termina plot either. I wish that they had actually finished the game with this rerelease.
Didn't work so well for Last of Us 2
Is a difference between: Hero did what he could, but ultimately failed.
and
Yeah, we gave you a happy ending, but that was ruined by a joke villian who mysteriously got competent off-screen.
that's part of the dislike for sure, but there are other issues that flare up like herpes when you compare it to trigger
the proximity combat system/ team up system in trigger was unique and interesting, in cross it's just 3 homies in a row again
instead of the gold standard for pixel art, cross has the polygonal woe of ugly early 3d
instead of a tight group of expertly designed characters (who all have completely unique color schemes in case you hadn't noticed) you've got a thousand characters, a fifth of which get a tiny amount of character development, the rest almost nothing
chrono cross should have never been a chrono game cause without constant comparisons it wouldn't seem so bad
>chrono cross should have never been a chrono game cause without constant comparisons it wouldn't seem so bad
This is the real double-edged nature of the game. No two fans will ever agree.
>the proximity combat system/ team up system in trigger was unique and interesting,
It was, but it only aplied if you itentionally tried to pull that off. If you fight enemies as you go that rarely ends up being different than the standard X homies in a row.
>the proximity combat system/ team up system in trigger was unique and interesting
It wasn't. Neither element adds anything much to the combat, as everything is still entirely reactive (you just select whatever moves are more effective in a given situation, which you otherwise don't control).
>instead of the gold standard for pixel art, cross has the polygonal woe of ugly early 3d
had some of the prettiest early 3D
The animation was fantastic too.
>supposedly killing off CT's crew
The problems people have with CC's story comes from missing all the optional exposition at the end.
Near the end of the game, you can discover Balthasar's time machine and speak to him in Terra Tower, and he basically explains that he has set everything in motion to repair the damage to the timeline done by Lavos/Schala and what he and Luca accidentally did with Chronopolis.
The only confirmed MC death in the game is Luca, and only in the world where Serge survives.
Belthasar is the textbook dues ex machina of Chrono Cross, mcguffins and all. Whatever hole there was in the plot, Belthasar was involved somehow.
I remember to simp for her when kid
It do
Great PSX JRPGs were a diamond dozen so nobody had time for some uncanny ass looking sequel that barely had anything to do with the original
It's so poorly written that Masato Kato himself said in an interview "yes it doesn't make any sense, but just enjoy the ride".
>Great PSX JRPGs were a diamond dozen
They weren't. I've gone back and played many of them over the years and a lot of them are awful.
>It's so poorly written that Masato Kato himself said in an interview "yes it doesn't make any sense, but just enjoy the ride".
Sauce
Yeah it's pretty good, but it's no Chrono Trigger.
Only one game is.
I enjoyed this more than Chrono Trigger.
Thats extremely high praise and I saw the ending which was such a downer it killed my mood and my desire to buy the game
Name one game that is a Chrono Trigger
Chrono Trigger
that doesnt count
Jackie Chan?
undertale.
CT is the undertale of it's time, many such cases.
Untrue, CT is actually good
ogre battle 64 person of lordly caliber
phantasy star 4
landstalker
super metroid
Grandia
Lunar
Skies of Arcadia
And that's a good thing, because if you pull away the rose-tinted glasses Chrono Trigger actually is kind of shit.
>it's pretty good, but it's no Chrono Trigger.
Obviously, because Trigger is mediocre at best.
Trigger is shit though.
you could have just said "chrono cross was my first jrpg"
I finished Chrono Cross and got bored of Chrono Trigger.
I got extremely butthurt as a kid after anticipating Chrono Cross to be a sequel to Chrono Trigger and then finding out that it doesn't star Chrono Trigger characters and they apparently all died.
Then I never got around to trying it over the years. I really should
small motivational spoiler: your characters actions throughout the story are in a closed loop, and you succeeding effectively ensures that the main characters of trigger are just fine because surge kind of undoes the entire weird dimensional paradox shit that's going on in the area that you're in.
That doesn't fix a thing about what Dalton did to Porre which is how Crono and Marle went MIA.
if you were paying attention, yes, it completely prevents it
I wasnt completely payin attention how did it?
Because Lynx fricking about definitely caused Lucca to disappear and you cant undo that because Lynx must happen for Serge to meet kid happen
>surge
>Then I never got around to trying it over the years
Trying what? You don't even learn about CT's cast dying until late in the game, by that point you might as well keep playing to find out more regarding that.
This game was fricking horrible, regardless of it's relation to Trigger.
It sounds good. It looked good before now it's obviously ugly. Gameplay is alright if you like jprg. Story is outright moronic.
the only real complaint i see reiterated is that they get filtered by the complexity of the story (not that complex IMO), and they get filtered by the battle theme for not being in a time signature they can understand
>and they get filtered by the battle theme for not being in a time signature they can understand
I never got this complaint about the battle theme, it's not the greatest battle theme of all time, nowhere near that, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
>shit characters
>shit story
>shit OST
>name recognition cash grab from a timeless masterpiece
>one of the worst JRPG battle systems of all time
Anon I'm not even trolling here, there was a reason no one gives a shit about this trainwreck
>Shit OST
You can have your opinions on the other ones but there you're just fricking wrong, kindly have a nice day to prevent your genes from being passed on and creating more fricking morons.
>shit OST
Just because you got sick of hearing the same battle theme over and over doesn't mean the soundtrack isn't amazing, Anon.
My favorite part is when my character gets teleported to a white void and then fricking Lavos appears and after defeating it you just go back as if nothing,
>that furgay main villain
>those 30 different stupid endings
Yeah no thanks.
>that furgay main villain
The main villain is Lavos.
>b-but you only fight him at the end
Just like CT.
>those 30 different stupid endings
CT also has multiple endings.
The main Villain is not Lavos but a part of him that escaped death and captured Schala.
My ass that's Schala. Making her look like Kid for some stupid plot reveal is absolute batshit.
You're fighting a parasite called Time Devourer.
>Making her look like Kid for some stupid plot reveal is absolute batshit.
Schala and the other royalty dye their hair hair blue.
She's naturally a blond.
This was already established in Chrono Trigger and reinforced by the fact that Magus has silver hair, where in flashbacks we see him as prince Janus, his hair is also dyed blue.
magus has blue hair, both in the artwork and sprite
cope
>kid has blue hair
>gets old
>hair turns silver
Because it wasn't actually that good especially for its time, and ESPECIALLY as a follow up to Chrono Trigger. Frick knows what horrible brain problems you got to think it's somehow the pinnacle of its kind but yeah you're fricked in the head.
Only people that really loves Chrono Trigger actually hates Chrono Cross. And only normies and casuals really love Chrono Trigger.
Do you care about their opinion? I sure don’t.
Chrono Cross is fine, it’s easily one of the prettiest games of its gen and the Elements were pretty cool. OST is great.
i dont know how true that is typically but i love both chrono trigger and cross. always did. still do after replaying them recently
its shit
frick off
it was the biggest disappoint for 90s kids
it was worse than 9/11
This game is awful. Horrible main characters starting with Serge who has no personality. Kid is shit starting with her shit name seriously Kid? Atrocious. And I hate her redneck hillbilly manner of speech. I thank god that Chrono Cross did not have voice acting because Kid's redneck hillbilly manner of speech WOULD get annoying even faster if voiced than the text version. That aside every other character is worthless and unimportant. Never liked games where you can recruit too many unimportant characters. The entire story is trash and your reward for getting the good ending is everything you did is forgotten as Serge gets his mind erased. And getting the good ending is tedious shit because they don't tell you how to properly do the elemental order during the final boss with the Chrono Cross Element. Had to look up a guide, but it doesn't matter because the good ending effectively means the story NEVER happened. Worthless waste of time plot.
And the gameplay is shit. You only level up with Boss Fights. So anything else you do in combat is a waste of time. The only decent thing this game has is the music. That said glad the Chrono series is dead because if Cross is what Square delivers the series is better off dead. And to hell with Schala that shitty character is the reason the story of Cross is so shitty.
>starting with Serge who has no personality.
I know this is bait, but are we pretending Crono had any?
Crono is shit. Serge is shit. But since this thread is about Cross, Serge gets the discussion. Ironically Serge getting his body stolen by Lynx was the best thing that happened to the character wish we got to play as Lynx in Serge's body and actually finished killing Kid.
Let’s not pretend Chrono Trigger homosexuals played more than 5 JRPGs. Literally only westaboos and Reddit gays care about this game.
I do wish we got a Chrono game that takes place in 1999 A.D. I'd like to see the world before the Day of Lavos. Having a self-contained game in 1999 where everything moves on a literal 24 hour timeline shouldn't affect Trigger's or Cross's story. Maybe Trigger's if you get the bad ending where Lavos destroys the Epoch and everyone on it. Also would be fun if you could travel in real time between those 24 hours.
The question is, do I bother with the remaster? How accurate are the subs? Any censorship to avoid? I want to experience this game, it's on my list but I need details on exactly how to play it.
Bonus: How do you recommend people experience Chrono Trigger? Steam with mods? SNES? DS if you're insane?
Snes or ds. Squares zero effort mobile remasters of their classic games are a tragedy. Just look at the ff6 snes and steam spirtes next to eachother. Peak outsourced slop
>DS if you're insane?
The DS version is great, wtf are you on about?
I don't know about the Steam version. As far as I know the DS version has a more faithful translation, but the menus are not as good as the SNES version.
I feel like that everything about the SNES versions is better. Specially the UI.
The STEAM is a mess, they tried to fix it, but I don't know how good it's looking right now, but I'm sure it won't feel as good as the SNES version.
The overstuffed cast of characters really ruins the game, same with the combat system, too many mechanics thrown on top of it.
yeah I think this is the main problem. too many character means they don't get much, if any, character development. and the combat system is so weird that it can be offputting at first until you eventually learn it's really simple and party choices don't matter too much. the game is cool but it needed to trim the fat
I see there are some CC scholars here.
I'd like to ask for JRPG recommendations. Just finished beating Astlibra and it openned the gates for that itch to start again. I believe I've beaten pretty much all the major ones except Grandia which I hated.
So, yeah, give it to me. The more jrpgslop the better
you probably played it already, but make sure you don't skip lufia2
Oh cool forgot about that one. I will check it out. Thank you
Played both Alundras already but aren't as jrpish or as grandiose as I need to scratch that itch. But yeah, pretty good nonetheless. Haven't played Terranigma yet, I will check this one out. Thank you
Try Alundra and Terranigma. Some of the best action JRPGs created
>This game is just packed with so much content and is filled with charm and a grand sense of adventure
Except it's not. The game is rather short and gets completely rushed towards the end. You spend the larger part of the game as Lynx, and when you get back the game decides to just wrap it up. Also, there's no sense of adventure because you just run around in circles in the same islands over and over again, and they look pretty much the same in Home and Other worlds. It's boring and disappointing.
Another funny thing is that depending on your choices Kid may as well not even be in the game
Be the typical, let's fight fate to save our friend, MC leads to a much weaker selection of characters. Even funnier is that you can lose a ultimate skill of a party member in this route by trying to resolve a conflict peacefully.
Be the disliked, it's completely hopeless let's give up, MC leads to one of the most broken characters in the game. Said character is never at risk of not being broken with the choices you make.
People didn't like it because it doesn't have toriyama art. Even though its a strikingly beautiful game, lots of people just didn't play it
CC reputation is way too positive, actually
You're way too HIV positive, actually.
>his game is just packed with so much content
No it's not.
Black person Chrono Cross is a fricking WEG in JRPG form: Bloated overambitious ideas with barely any focus that the team cannot handle so it comes out like a blended smoothie mess. The field mechanic is vomit Square to this day still hasn't grown out of by trying to add gimmicks to the JRPG system to this day, EVERYONE knows that the dimension hopping and Digimon-esque landscape was inferior to the Time traveling,the OST is practically only remembered for its Another World. I say all this too without getting into how it messed up a completely understandable story.
Just shut the frick out about trying to praise Chrono Cross. It will never ever stop being a stain. Even as just a simple JRPG it was bad and is THE biggest failure of the genre. People would rather play C list shit like Skies of Arcadia or Koudelka way way before it.
>the OST is practically only remembered for its Another World
You shouldn't have included this, now we know your post is just memeing
here comes the cringe contrarian, every time
But what version should I play?
The PS2 version on my chipped PS2 or some of the later re-releases?
>The PS2 version on my chipped PS2
PA1* version
I do use my PS2 for PS1 games though.
i still think anyone who dislikes it havent played it or only tried it because they heard it was good so their interest was half-assed from the start anyway
If the game brings back dead characters just for the sake of exposition and a vain attempt at player shock it's shit writing.
when does it do that?
you can find a flaw in any game if you look hard enough
Dead Sea (Leane's Bell) and Opassa Beach
Frankly there's no good reason why chrono trigger ghosts should even be in Cross. They have no relevance.
sounds like something a youtuber would say, what do you even by that?
I played it recently. Yeah, Cross haters exaggerate a lot of things, but Cross apologists are just as delusional. It's a decent game, but it's full of flaws
I like the mörmäid.
She's beautiful, I used her and the fairy.
It's still a bad game.
bump
Anon what are you doing
Have you actually beaten the game?
Did you see what happens to the story after the first third?
Yes, that's why it has that reputation.
It's a charming game with an incredibly soundtrack and art direction, and some great characters but it's misguieded as frick and the later half is just bad man. There's no dancig around the issue here.
Too bad about the part where it plays like shit and has one of the most moronic stories ever put to disc.
It starts like that, but the more you play the more you realise that the game is incomplete and the plot is a mess.
So it's a 10/10 if you only played for a few hours.
It's a 5/10 if you actually beat it.
>play Chrono Cross
>recruit the girl in OP's pic
>name her "cumpussy"
>drop the game and completely forget it exists
>decide to pick it up months later
>continue the same save
>playing it in the living room on the big TV
>the "cumpussy" name pops up while the entire family is watching
I should play this again, I remember it being kinda cool, not really Chrono Trigger levels of good but still.
Only rpg of the fisherman aesthetic. It's great. Another cup of tea compared to Chrono Trigger and obviously people will have a grip with that.
CT 2 was never ever happening. The devolepment of that game was so complicated I remember even Shuesha had part of the rights, it's a legal nightmare doing anything with CT, for barely a small profit for the developers. That's the reason the CEO said CT needed to sell more, it really needs to sell a fricking lot to make sense.
CT's development nearly killed Yasunori Mitsuda.
It literally gave him stomach ulcers and he was forced to work until he passed out from exhaustion multiple times.
The series is considered cursed and SE will NEVER work on a true sequel or another game in the series.
Its what happens when you have an entire generation taught that "chrono trigger GOOD and BEST GAME EVER" despite having never been alive during its release and never owning a SNES.
Unable to form their own opinions and rely on whatever opinion their favorite youtuber personality tells them to have.
Test
Crono Cross is a good game but horrible sequel.
It has too many characters so there is barely any time to develop any of them and the plot is way harder to follow compared to Crono Trigger.
>we never got the rail cart game
It hurts
shame it carries the burden of being a direct sequel to Trigger
Kid is Schala, the child in the Lavos egg at the end. She's caught in an eternal loop where all she can do is wander through time waiting for the next time she has her adventures with Serge
Not many notice that in the first play-through.
>lavos egg
bro are you tripping
The name of the time child is Schala. Connect the dots.
>time child
what the frick are you talking about?
it's a nice fanfic, but that's not on the game
homie they fused into one when the timelines reconnected. This was addressed in an interview. Kid and Schala became one like they originally were.
And the girl in the credits is Kid/Schala looking for Serge.
Yep. She's wandering through time while waiting for that day to come again.
Did you miss the whole thing with Lavos laying an egg in between dimensions? And that egg hatching if you play it right, to reveal the new-born "Kid" Schala?
>did you miss the whole [HEADCANON]
I guess I did, since that only exists within your mind
Holy shit you didn't read anything? You save Schala. She's the same Schala that was lost in CT. She fused with Lavos at the End of Times, becoming imprisoned there. The whole game is a quest to free Schala.
Schala is kid. Reference the image at
Whatever existed before was gone, and she was "born" then when you use the chrono cross element
it's cool that people are still coming up with wild, preposterous theories about this game even after all this time. Makes me miss the mid-2000s
Yeah, nta, but they are the same.
That Schalla in CC is not CT Schalla.
That Kid is not RD Kid.
Harley is also Kid/Schalla.
>That Schalla in CC is not CT Schalla.
with how badly expounded CC plot is, who can know for certain? but don't make up stuff about a lavos egg or a time child, the game is already obtuse enough
The true Schalla has Purple hair.
purple? you mean blue?
Yeah
homie what
I think this is one of the rare occasions that a remaster is actually good
This game was utter shit compare to CT. What a mistake. I remember being literally depressed at how shit this game was when it came out. Maybe it's good if it was babby's first JRPG.
Pic unrelated
That pic doesn't take into account one thing: most people who want a pitbull are gheto spics. If it weren't for pitbulls, it would've been rottweilers or german shepherds or something else.
That's the same line pro-pit people always put out. It ignores one thing: the history of the breed. Bulldogs were bred for bullbaiting. They were then bred into fighting dogs, the bull and terrier. When this was banned they were bred into calmer and cuter versions like the French bulldog. But in America dogfighting continued and the bull and terrier was bred into the pitbull. It is these animals and their derivatives, with direct continuity from literal bloodsport dogs, which are responsible for so many maulings and deaths. NO OTHER type of dog is anywhere near as dangerous for obvious reasons - not rottweilers, nothing
I'm a lab and husky guy myself and even I know that argument is full of shit.
>This game was utter shit compare to CT
The game is utter shit compared to most JRPGs. Off the top of my head the only game I can legit think of as worse that Cross is Digimon World 3 and Digimon Dawn/Dusk and that's a really
REALLY LOW AS FRICK BAR because Digimon games are notorious for being frick awful copefests of endurance just out of love for the IP
*in my opinion*
fixed that for you
Leena is cute
She lost so fricking hard
>your boyfriend goes on a quest to make you a necklace
>drowns at the beach
>10 year time skip
>dead boyfriend reappears
>feels conflicted calls him rude
>joins his party anyway
>literally no follow up
actually what the frick was this arc
?t=129
Cross is a mess and you're better off just not fricking paying mind to it.
Remember Funguy? We never had the change to heal him. Poor guy. I'm pretty sure that Knight from the orphanage was supposed to be playable, but they had to cut him from the game.
He refused. Maybe play the game and try to read the dialog next time
NTA but one of the issues of Cross is how hard it is to get certain dialog that explains the EXTREMELY bloated cast. It's nothing but ignorant to knock someone for not seeing some sliver of dialog for any character that isn't Kids
Better bring the autistic cyborg when you go to Chronopolis, even though he doesn't amount to anything story wise, or bring anything to the table gameplay wise.
But that bit is a direct part of his quest, right at the spot where his transformation would happen, not some side-comment.
>But that bit is a direct part of his quest, right at the spot where his transformation would happen,
Literally didn't happen, I just watched the video:
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Maybe play the game and try to read the dialog next time.
OH WELL IT WAS IN THE ENDING
GUESS IT'S YOUR LOSS FOR NOT USING THE FUN GUY
Nothing bloated about CC's cast, unless your standard for RPGs is poorly made shit like Final Fantasy where you're starved for party members.
The actual issue with CC's cast is that the game doesn't decide whether it wants to be about its cast and setting or Serge's story, which is where CC actually comes short, games like Suikoden, SaGa or Valkyrie Profie actually focus on the large casts and use them to build their setting while putting the main quest on the sidelines as an excuse for you to explore said worlds and characters, CC swings wildly between sections where it's laser focused on Serge's story and other sections where basically nothing happens and you're just sightseeing around the world because Kato decided he wanted to do worldbuilding and put Serge's story on hold.
And it wouldn't even be that bad if the game wasn't so oppressively linear about it, on top of not really giving you much replay value since you can recruit basically anyone outside of having two mutually exclusive choices that don't amount to anything significant.
There's some genuinely good stories in the game like Fargo's entire arc that also includes Sneff, the whole Dragon Riders' story is very nice and so are many minor character arcs like Orlha's or Doc's, but the game never really capitalizes on most of that potential and it also doesn't really make you sweat for it, which is a damn shame.
The gameplay being also largely an afterthought, with the added insult of having only three character slots, one of which is locked up with Serge until NG+ doesn't really help in making the cast shine as it deserved.
>He refused.
What? Didn't he join the party so he would be healed? Then we find that he's parallel version is ill?
The idea was to fix both of them, but we never do.
IIRC his story is over when he starts to have "children".
When did he refuse to be healed? Did we have to have him in the party in a specific point of the game?
The same goes for that creature in the market, that's imprisoned and being sold.
The game is full of these unfished stuff.
Yes. The game is clearly rushed and unfished. The text dumps by the end of the game is proof of it. It has, like 1/4 of the game there.
>obscure
>and not one of the first things you do
Are you Black folk serious do you not try and do funny shit
His ending is that hes ok with being a mushroom and likes it
>His ending is that hes ok with being a mushroom and likes it
At which point does that happen?
I just remember he entering the party for find a away to heal, finding that his parallel world version is also ill, he has some children... that's it.
The ending ending
>Well, I guess it's time for me to head back to the forest. You know, I really don't mind the way I look anymore. So don't worry about it. Well, good-bye
kek, poor devs, you can feel that they didn't even care anymore.
Remember to be nice to Home World Leena at the very beginning of the game, or you won't be able to get the ultra technique for Other World Leena who wouldn't have any attachment to the gift.
I could not get into it, I remember that it looked great though, very colourful and lush. I don't know what Chrono Trigger has that Chrono Cross don't but Chrono Trigger got me hooked.
Nostalgia. CT is like a Saturday morning 90s anime.
Shitting on your predecessor is not a good way to make a sequel. INB4, no it was not a sequel, director said it isn't!
But really, even without the CT connection, the game is just too piss easy, the characters are garbage, the story could have been interesting, but the delivery like shit, and the random battle music is obnoxious.
Gee I wonder how did they game balance physical/magical since the psychical part gets multiple hits without stopping and can crit?
Oh wait, they didn't?
Magic doesn't miss.
it's a packed game with a lot going on and it also sucks
I think I would like Chrono Trigger more if it had a Lufia 2 kind of party set up where you have like 9 people in your party but only 3 of them can act on any given turn. It would justify the absolutely monstrous recruitable party member size with the fact you’re always stuck with Serge at the very least.
*Chrono Cross I mean
Lufia 2? That system you described sounds like Breath of Fire 4. Lufia 2 has the traditional battle system.
I just realized I’m mixing up Lufia 2 with Lufia: The Legend Returns on the GBC. That’s the one that lets you have a 9 member party
>you’re always stuck with Serge
You are for most of the game but for the last third you can swap him out.
>This game is just packed with so much content and is filled with charm and a grand sense of adventure, it's basically everything I could ever want out of a JRPG distilled into one single package.
All I can think about when I hear "Chrono Cross" is how boring it was. Good graphics and good music will not save a game that has awful pacing.
>People said Chrono cross sucks
>I played it and enjoyed it
>People said Final Fantasy 8 sucks
>I played it and enjoyed it
Never trust normalgays.
People say Bubsy 3D sucks
It does suck, but it really doesn't suck close to as badly as people say it does. It has way more entertainment value than most actually terrible games. It's this odd combination of actually crazy and over ambitious and yet at the same time very clunky and amateur feeling.
There is no doubt that its enjoyable, but the moment you start thinking about it it falls apart. I think Miguel is that point, when finally the questions you had are getting asnwers and the answers are just poor. It has a "wait thats it?" moment as you were psyched up to enter this place frozen in time full of secrets and answers.
The game starts out incredibly good as the sequence you play immediatly raises a shitton of questions, as it peaks interests, but then as you go on its like this anon
said. Its a good game when it doesn't try to be in Trigger's footsteps, but then as if the devs had an "Oh shit we need to somehow glue this whole thing to Trigger" moment.
>Oh shit we need to somehow glue this whole thing to Trigger" moment.
exactly, as a spinoff it would've been great. actually it works well with its time paradox as consequences of chrono trigger changing timelines causing other timelines be affected and chrono cross being the patch that fixes them all but seems like it needed more time to plan this out
This whole thing feels like when a newbie writer does things, and shovels everything what he thinks is good into the script wihtout having an afterthought. Yeah, the ideas are amazing, but you need coherence to them. Like a lot of characters have their mini-arcs or like when you meet their parallel world equal, but its just fluff in the end, as it has no real impact.
No, Barry. FFVIII sucks
>People said Final Fantasy 8 sucks
>I played it and enjoyed it
Ok so you like menus, FF does some of the most sovlful menus in games, but the story is so annoyingly moronic its infuriating. 8 and X have stories that crumble when you put the slightest thought into them. I'm sure 13 is the same but I couldn't crack another hallwaython
CC and FF8 are probably the pinnacle of the genre, unfortunately shit people really hate good things and get stuck on one thing their entire lives.
Think of it:
FF8 and CC fans generally appreciate CT, FF7 and FF9
FF9 fans tend to appreciate CC and FF8 and be neutral about FF7 and CT
FF7 and CT fans tend to hate FF8, FF9 and CC and rage about them
Conclusion: FF7 and CT fans are simply shit people and mentally damaged edgelords
Finally you FF8/9 homosexuals admit this. And we will never agree on this board. But the market will decide for us. Which of the older FF games got a 3 part 9 year long remake? That's right, part 7. Not your shitty downgrade of a Final Fantasy game, that's for sure.
Worse gameplay
Worse summons
Worse music
Worse characters
>Which of the older FF games got a 3 part 9 year long remake?
The only one that doesn't hold up to modern standards.
You wish.
>90% of Sephiroth's appearance in Smash is taken from Advent Children because it's the only FFVII thing he appears in that's not outdated trash.
anon it's not the normal gays that hate those two games, it's just Ganker autists for whatever reason. both of those games were reviewed extremely well and are talked about to this day for a reason.
problem with CC is it tries to not be a sequel to CT which is fine but the problem is at last minute it changes its mind to be a sequel and not also that but also use the tie in mid-sequel no one outside japan knew back then. Also it becomes quite a mess to make sure Serge is the key to sort of undo all time paradoxes
My favorite, was this a bad translation or some sad attempt at being philosophical moment, was when you finished the Dragon Tower and after it does it's never explained transformation, Kidd starts rambling on about humanity and its place in the world.
that's just the devs running out of time and trying to cram the entire plot into as few hours of gameplay possible
sex with schala
Marriage with Flea...
https://files.catbox.moe/kbdsxj.jpg
>https://files.catbox.moe/kbdsxj.jpg
Pure art
Initially I think I was going to make a lewd piece of art of Queen Leene, but didn't and changed it.
Is she supposed to be a Princess and not a Queen? That title would indicate she is married to the King, but she is fricking a giant frog in a couple of extra endings.
They refer to her as Queen Leene in the game...
Marle is still a Princess but not a Queen.
You could say it's a NTR ending where Queen Leene cheated on the King of Guardia with Frog... in a SFW video game.
I heard it's ranked higher than trigger in Japan, and that game is already beloved there
In Japan, they didn't have to put up with the most obnoxious jumble salad of accents imaginable.
And no, it's not kino or soulful, it makes reading the dialogue a chore.
My brother used to own a copy of it back in the day. I never played it myself, but Scars of Time is 10/10 as far as vidya music goes.
I've never played CT.
I enjoyed CC even though I didn't get a lot of it.
I just made my party people I liked.
Pretty sure I got filtered by the white dragon and never beat it.
Never played, but I watched it played many times, and the music and choices you get to make are great. The ending was a bit offputting to me, though.
I like CC but it underdelivers in so many areas it's kinda hard for me to go back to it compared to other games of the time.
The entire thing feels so unfocused at times, there's so much wasted potential in the parallel world setup too, still one of the better Square games of the time but damn did it need a couple more years in the oven.
Also Nobuteru Yuuki>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Some nobody that accomplished nothing in life I only like to be contrarian >>>>>>> one of the greatest living artists of all time
Get a swirlie you disgusting hipster
>Nobuteru Yuuki
>Nobody that accomplished nothing in life
Shut the frick up, spic
the first disk blew my mind, the second disk is a bit eh... they ran out of steam and it's a shame
The fact that only three characters knew steal, with one that is in a coma for 90% of the game, and the other one being absolute dog shit and stuck in the worst Kid route, meant Fargo was practically in my party for the whole game after recruitment.
Thank god too because was one of the most bearable characters in the game, because the thought of using Mel is terrible.
As great as Harle and Kid are, they can't compare to the holy trinity of the Chrono Trigger waifus.
There was no way Crono wasn't his own ancestor and Marle was one of his descendants
Goddamn I hate Chrono Chross so much. Did any of you own SNES and were older than 12 years old when CT came out? Chrono Trigger was magic. Straight video game magic. Chrono Cross was such a fricking downgrade. The presentation was so muddled. The characters are like extras in a Final Fantasy sidequest. Everyone hated it when it came out.
You guys are such hipsters liking this turd. If you feel the need to dig through the bargain bin this hard, go play Front Mission 3, go play Skies of Arcadia.
I absolutely agree.
The first punch on the face was that they removed Akira Toriyama, so all the art felt "off". I've always found that the new artstyle was ugly, the same artist redid all the artwork on the remake, which is much, much better.
Then the story has nothing to do with CT and was extremely convoluted. It had an alien. A fricking alien. I liked the guy, but come on. Not only the story is convoluted, but we also need to accept that there are other planets with full developed civilizations?
>we also need to accept that there are other planets with full developed civilizations?
>The entire point of Lavos was that he would foster civilization development on a planet he invaded, succ them at their apex of development, destroy everything, frick off and repeat on another planet
>Somehow finding actual aliens in CC is completely implausible
Most intellectual Chrono Trigger fan
>The entire point of Lavos was that he would foster civilization development on a planet he invaded
Lavos is an unknown entity, no one knows its motivations. Nowhere in the original game is shown that there are civilizations beyond "Earth".
It feels like that Lavos just happen to fall on the planet by chance. That was it. It's a reinterpretation of the events that led to the dinosaur extinction.
The truth is that CC was written by the guy who wrote the Zeal arc of the game. He was just one of many writers/creative minds behind the game. It's hardly a sequel.
It's just a different game inspired by CT.
>Hmmm this planet destroying alien can't possibly have come from another planet
>What are the chances it's been doing what it did to this planet before? Nah
>An alien entity like Lavos, whose modus operandi is literally nurturing civilizations to harvest them later, totally can't prove the existence of alien civilizations
Again, most intellectual CT fan
>headcanon
NTA but how else would Lavos have that modus operandi then? Seems pretty convenient that it somehow intrinsically knows that civilization is going to develop so it can harvest it later.
I don't know, the game doesn't say.
What do you mean it doesnt tell it literally spells out its goal is to nurture life for the best evolutionary bits then harvest those genes for its offspring so they can repeat the cycle across the cosmos
That's CC, there's nothing like this on CT.
Yes there is in 2300 AD
Where was it? I can't remember, genuine question. Was that the Nu Creature? Or was it in one of the computers?
I just checked and it showed it in the final boss scene too
But yes in 2300 Balthazar gives a text dump from computer or Nu, and he tells you that Lavos has been doing this all for his offspring the lavos spawn which will one day repeat the cycle on other worlds
>That's CC, there's nothing like this on CT.
NTA but this is such a typical Triggergay response. There have been like a dozen different instances now of you guys claiming that Cross retconned something from Trigger when the thing in question was in fact in Trigger to begin with. Maybe try actually playing the game you're dickriding so much.
>Arguing after the argument is over
You didn't know what that other anon has provided either, you just want to get out on top. It was very obscure or dependent on luck if you got that.
Why would I care if the argument is over? I can shit on your moronation any time I want.
you need to be 18yo+ to post on Ganker
Magus summoned him in the medieval period, but because Chrono and gang fricked up the ritual, Lavos was sent back to the prehistoric period along with the MC cast. It wasn't by chance, but by fate.
A lot of time traveling stupidity, that really doesn't work in a closed loop.
Also, CC might have been a spin-off or whatever in the guy's head, but Dreamers was most definitely a sequel to CT, and was the main foundation for CC.
He fell from the space, that red star in prehistoric era is Lavos as a comet projected to fall on "Earth".
Only humans survived that and they created Zeal, because, somehow, Lavos is connected to this magical power.
Are you saying that somehow Magus teletransported Lavos into the past and into the space and projected him to fall on Earth?
Yeah.
Magus summoned Lavos for revenge in the medieval period, but he along with Chrono and gang got send back to the prehistoric past because the ritual got screwed up.
Magus getting sent to Zeal is was also a byproduct of the fricked up ritual.
IIRC Magus just summoned Lavos.
The Chrono team then went back in time and went to the Magus castle to stop Magus, but Lavos reacted to the Masamune thanks to the Red Stone that they infused the sword with.
He was already on Earth in both scenarios, he came from somewhere else.
Nice, I didn't remember that.
>Nice, I didn't remember that.
Well now i know why you didn't
The dialogue is locked to 3 specific characters Frog, Lucca, and Robo.
So if you didnt take them you would never have seen it.
Also it wasn't Balthasar it was Mother Brain who told you about Lavo's plan and that too was an optional dungeon.
I see, both screenshots are from the DS version though, do you know if it's in the original game?
They changed a lot of stuff on the DS version, including adding a connection with CC.
Maybe these text were added on the DS version. I'll try to look for it too. Thanks for explain that.
I was actually checking the old snes script, And the dna bit is there for the final boss but the script for mother brain is different. In the Snes she says that they(lavos spawn) should stay whereas in the DS she says she knows they will leave and that if they do the Earth can finally heal provided no humans remain.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/31563
Just ctrl F DNA
I see, so you really need to fight Lavos with the right party members to get the stuff about the DNA.
That's nice, I wish they had made it more clear though.
You will never have Chrono Trigger 2. Cope, seethe and dilate.
this makes me so hopping mad
Crimson Echoes is the Trigger sequel fans deserve
I thought it was Sea of Stars?
if we pay a little more (Final Fantasy 7 Remake trilogy) can we maybe get a little gay video game magic?
Threesome with her French twin
CC is basically an unfinished mess, although I do like the art, music and early parts of the story. Still, I always defend it because I think that CT is an extremely overrated and mediocre game and its fans are moronic.
>the sole reason why CT gays hate CC is "MUH CT CAST DIEEEEEEEED"
Really makes you think
It's not even that they died,it's largely how they dealt with Crono and Marle. Also don't pretend like anyone who gives CC a fair shot isn't immediately disturbed by how wonky the story,combat and characterization is. It is not a good game.
I still don't understand what the issue was. People pretend like it completely shat on the cast of CT but that's not even remotely the case.
The issue with the game is that it's trying too many things at once.
Look at Gil/Guile/Magus. They had this big cast but then decided to delete the one that had the best connection to Schala because of moronic reasons.
It's all over the place and gets lost what it wants to do
I think the Steam/Remastered version has all the content
>I still don't understand what the issue was.
Like I said it's that they made the hero and the heroine die to the machinisms of someone they wiped their boots on not just ONCE but TWICE.
> People pretend like it completely shat on the cast of CT but that's not even remotely the case.
I maintain that the main issue is Crono and Marles fate when it comes to the cast but the rest aren't exactly stellar either because they're shamelessly gimped out of relevance for the new cast to shine. Audiences don't like that shit. Lucca dies in a fire,Robo isn't even Robo anymore,Frog IIRC doesn't even exist, and Magus... Well he was SUPPOSED to have a plot as Guile but that got dropped.
>Who cares
Don't be unreasonable you know exactly "who cares" which is a large majority of the fanbase of the game it's following.
>Lucca dies in a fire
Ahcktually she is taken away by Lynx and Harle and then murdered
>,Frog IIRC doesn't even exist,
I'm pretty sure that he's Guile.
>Guile
I meant Gleen.
Guile is Magus.
>a large majority of the fanbase
Fanboys aren't known for being reasonable so why would I "reason" with them
The fact of the matter is that CT's heroes are boring nothing characters who have nothing to them and ironically were retroactively made more interesting in CC, the game that killed them off
>it's largely how they dealt with Crono and Marle
Who cares, it's not like Trigger's cast was interesting in Trigger either
They didn't really, that's the whole point of the multiple dimensions. Project Kid would not work if they didn't succeed. Home is where things went "wrong" but also what saves the multiverse.
I dislike the concept of a frickton of playable characters for the sake of having a bloated number of playable characters. Unless you give it a reason to be like FF6 with its moments where you had to control several parties at the same time, then it sounds bad, it dillutes the gameplay.
>MUH CT CAST DIEEEEEEEED
This but unironically. Frick CC for ruining a fun upbeat game like CT, not everything have to turn into a dark edgy tragic story.
cross is fine if all you are looking for in a game is "OVER 30 DIFFERENT SCRIMBLOS TO COLLECT"
but i didnt want that
i wanted a good game
IT'S NOT CHRONO TRIGGER IT DOESN'T HAVE CHRONO AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TIME TRAVEL
>IT DOESN'T HAVE CHRONO
>IT DOESN'T HAVE TIME TRAVEL
Why did Kid have to suffer?
So she grows as a person and can help Serge do what he must. Schala had no hardships to go through, which is why she was weak and easy to influence.
CC has a very ham-fisted environmental message in it, that makes me hate the middle part of the game with a passion.
Only because they were complete hypocrites
>fricking dwarves talking about nature in their fricking tank
As this anon
said, the dwarves are moronic hypocrites.
1) They live in a swamp that is one load-bearing boss away from becoming completely inhospitable.
2) They blame humans for not "cherishing nature" like they do when they're the ones who decide to genocide the fairies.
3) As mentioned by another anon, they have a tank.
4) They moan "Is there no land on this planet where we can live in peace?" when, as I said previously, they decided to *genocide the fairies.*
There is nothing abut Chrono Trigger/Cross's world that suggests that humans are polluting the world to the point of unlivability. Cities are relatively small and fishing is shown as being a far larger source of food than farming.
So much this. Humans are just minding their own business but every other race acts like they're turning the entire planet into Eggmanland.
Going through Dragon Tower is mindboggling annoying. The dungeon is fine, but the moment you fight a boss.
Wah wah wah big bad humies hurting the planet, you are all sinners! It gets absolutely grating by the 2nd half of the game with the not so subtle messaging the devs wanted to share.
It's like Square got a big paycheck from Greenpeace.
Yeah but HUMAN BAD (never mind that its the other races who keep starting shit)
>reach the dragon tower
>game pretty much tells you eveey species on this planet has fought and died for their own survival
>there is no right and wrong. There is only life so go out there and make sure you kill the guy who stole your body
Brutal
>Lavos is your ancestor, the planet absolutely has a right to want to kill us humans.
Thank you for revealing my family tree there giant stone face on the ceiling.
I starts great, then you realize most the companions have no story or agency and the story's a mess.
It was pretty for its time and the soundtrack has some great tracks tho
Chrono Trigger is garbage. It has a boring combat system that is a clunky hybrid of turn-based and real-time (ATB). Enemies pose no threat and deal a fraction of the damage the player character is capable of dishing out. There's almost no interesting spells or status effects, almost every ability simply deals damage. Dual/triple techs are just boring variations on the same 'do tons of damage' or 'heal tons of HP' template. Compare to any future and previous JRPG like SMT, SaGa, Xeno, Infinite Stratos, Uncharted Waters, Trails, Chrono Cross, etc. It simply lacks enough depth and challenge to be compelling since you have no real customization, builds or skills. There's barely any exploration, it's a time travel game that is somehow completely on rails. Your only choice is how soon you want to end the game by teleporting to Lavos, and even that is realistically only a choice on New Game Plus.
It has incredibly shallow writing. Not a single character has a distinct voice, apart from Frog's heavy-handed Ye Olde English shtick. Everyone is a cliched archetype, the rebellious princess, the geeky scientist anime girl, the noble knight suffering from a curse, etc. We don't even know a single thing about Crono, ostensibly the main character. What does he do for a living? Does he still go to school? That's how barebones the narrative is. The multiple endings are even shallower than that: they're either superficial variations on the same happy ending, or worse, easter egg/joke endings. They're completely pointless and contribute nothing to the game.
Time travel is also not used in any meaningful way: instead of traveling back in time to prevent Lavos from becoming a threat, the characters travel forward in time to face him at the height of his powers and beat him up. The doom of all mankind, that destroyed a sci-fi civilization with advanced weaponry, can be punched to death by three teenagers. How does that make sense?
>It has a boring combat system that is a clunky hybrid of turn-based and real-time (ATB)
The ATB is togglable bruh. Also it's moronic how many Ganker people genuinely think this but complexity =/= good or even compelling.
>Also it's moronic how many Ganker people genuinely think this but complexity =/= good or even compelling.
No one said that, but braindead braindead simplicity with no challenge = bad.
Every minor playable character has an arc that culminates in the level 7 tech acquisition and BTFOs over half of every Trigger member's development despite the brief attention the character gets. Cross has many individuals with goals instead of a single central goal, which juxtaposes Trigger's overly childish quest that tramples the individual, whereas Cross' message is that every single link in a chain matters and nobody is a pawn. This is why Serge matters, yet the Trigger cast wants him dead, because he "ruined everything", when in fact their murderous quest doomed all of reality, and Serge is the true hero.
Serge left Kidd to die, completely giving up on her life even after she saved him from the Dragoons.
Chrono on the other hand, jumped into a unknown portal to save a girl he knew for a few minutes at best.
Hero my ass.
The alternate option is just a honest admission that Serge doesn't know what to do. All it does is go against the generic jRPG trope garbage where you accomplish the improbable because of PLOT. But Cross is not generic.
Saving Kid also kills the Hydra which kills the mushroom forest.
>Serge left Kidd to die, completely giving up on her life even after she saved him from the Dragoons.
Why the frick would you do that? They tell you you can save her
what version of the game should I play?
CTgays created this "war" simply because they wanted more Akira Toriyama and Dragon Quest wasn't available to the west at the moment. They should kys themselves to be honest
I've never played Cross but I think it has the best OST ever put in a videogame. A game with a soundtrack that good simply cannot be bad
>here is 56 recruitable characters with their own story and background
>NOOOO I WANt GENERIC AKRIA TORIYAMA SILENT PROTOGNIST AND A FROG REEEEEEEE
athetic
Funny words from the man posting in the same thread for the fiftieth time, every post seething at imaginary people making imaginary arguments.
post your waifu
Requesting Kid in her level 7 tech pose but angled for an upskirt.
I absolutely love it.
>Play it around 10 years ago, thinking it's gonna be shit like everyone was saying because it's not CT, hate it because it's not CT.
>Finished it 2 months ago, CC turns out to be a masterpiece, possibly the best JRPG ever made, don't even want CT2.
I really want a sequel to Radial Dreamers, the writing, atmosphere and setup were all incredible.
Remember how you fell in love with me, seeing as how I was my worlds Kid just with makeup on and red eyes?
Remember how I died off screen by being absorbed into a boss and the last bit of text from my character is only if you read the bosses mind and hear me screaming?
>and the last bit of text from my character is only if you read the bosses mind and hear me screaming?
uwat
>Remember how I died off screen by being absorbed into a boss and the last bit of text from my character is only if you read the bosses mind and hear me screaming?
Nani
Harle is the secret dragon who has a human form sampled from schalas DNA made by the time devourer, that is why she flys away with the flame to the rest of the dragons from chronopolis and merges with them
When you are going to fight the time devourer dragon god the text that pops up screaming for things to stop and not wanting to kill you is Harle before her consciousness dissolves completely
Harle was a dragon this whole time, she was a double agent.
>Balthasar-Yeah I knew.
Thanks for the heads up butthole
Read... The boss mind?
I think anon is mixing up super mario rpg or something where you can get enemies thoughts using a power
In Cross as you climb the tower to fight the dragon god there is a first bit of text you hear
"A-ARRGH... HELP... S-STOP IT... KILL ME... WELL COME... Welcome... Humans..."
This dialogue is Harle dying.
The frick? how did you read minds?
Brutal.
Yeah it's moronic edgy shoehorned in shit like robo dying and stuff
It's standard seinen stuff.
Yeah, like that god awful concert scene that followed a pretty awkward family drama moment.
All I remember is your "le baguette a hon hon hon" accent.
Better than kids crocodile hunter shit
>kensai accent
>let's make her Australian
Localizers are so moronic holy shit
I shall remember her by her encouraging words, not by her tragic demise.
Ted Woolsey and his consequences have been a disaster for game localizations
PÜRE SÖVL
I just wanted to save her
it confused the hell out of me if she was even real because i don't remember lynx ever interacting with her at some point until you take control of lynx
Fun fact - Harle getting absorbed into the Dragon was an FMV that got cut during production. They storyboarded it, but ultimately didn't make it.
We need CC2 to save her.
What might it be called
Uh....erm...
The
WHAT?
>ARGH
>HELP ME
>S-STOP IT
>KILL ME
ngl popped a stiffy rn
Anon I know that Mitsuda is a b***hin' composer, but Time's Scar doesn't save an entire game.
CC was unironically 2deep for CTgays that's why they don't like it since they don't understand it
people fell for the hate meme. it's not rocket science.
>This game is just packed with so much content
That's the problem in this scenario.
>anon can't read
>hes homer simpson level of moronic
uhhhhh k
What's with Americans and hate for reading?
>game dumps a novella's worth of exposition on you at the end of the game
>BRO DO YOU HATE READING
It's just objectively shit storytelling. There's no way around that.
>End of the game has the biggest revelations that flips the whole story on its head and therefor gets the most exposition
Whoa
homie just read
Basically a "show, don't tell" situation. If I wanted to read I'd have bought a book. There are at least 1/4 on that text dump, I believe it was two actually, one with the Guru and another with CT characters on the beach.
Pretty sure this image implies this is all dumped on you at once when it's over the course of the last few hours of the game
reading this as a kid/teen was literally mindblowing frick off
>missable Nikki's concert is fully animated 3d cutscene with unique music
>dinopolis vs chronopolis war is a single static picture
Disc 2 is completely unfinished and sucks balls
I just read it all
it sounds like a fricking fanfic and retconning autism done by 18 year old schizos self inserting their OCs on a popular series.
What an absolute piece of shit
>schizos self inserting their OCs on a popular series.
Literally this
Played it back then, dropped it. Tried to pick it back up recently and dropped it again. It's just so fricking boring.
The only ones who claim to like it are contrarians. It's just so fricking bad.
Babies first waifu syndrome
It just inferior to Trigger.
It lost its iconic art style. It gained some like pacific hawaii art style. It doesnt have as many great songs as Trigger. The characters are all worse than Trigger. The combat system is a bit odd and not very fun to learn. It butchers Trigger's story by adding some really convoluted and stupid shit. Chrono Trigger worked but it loses a lot of its story if you include Cross into the canon.
Even by PS1 RPG standards Crono Cross is slow as frick
Because most of it is shallow, poorly done and it has the bad luck of shitting on a much better game. If cross could actually match or even be superior to trigger than no one would mind the stupid plot shit it does but it can't and doesn't
Kill big dragon god, thinking this was about resolving the unfinished battle between the Dragoniods and Humanity.
>Actually, that was a corpse controlled by Lavos. Did you not read the funny name?
I really hated this game sometimes.
>spelled out hes being piloted by lavos
>uhhh how was i supposed to know he was being piloted by lavos
Because you fricks cant read worth shit apparently
And where was this? The dragons in no shape of form were shown to be controlled by a giant alien parasite, and the dialogue during their merging, the parties trek through Dragon Tower, and the battle with the DG itself was all about getting revenge on Humanity for the planet and their loss.
The problem is that it's a 10/10 game that's a follow-up to an 11/10 game.
It would've been really cool if they had used the original designs somehow (maybe for Sprigg) before Toriyama turned them into DBZ rejects
Who the frick is who
>princess (Marle)
>steampunk magic robot (robo)
>lizard monster (Frog)
>energetic nerd girl (Lucca)
>hero (Crono)
>flamboyant mage (Magus)
>prehistoric amazon (Ayla)
>dwarf wizard (Balthazar?)
>lizard monster (Frog)
realistically the last one is probably the old man at the End of Time that gives you the Time Egg.
Yes, "The Old Man" he was supposed to be playable. I have a belief that they cut the Modern age, so The End of Time is based on that era.
But he was Gaspar.
Looks like something out of Bastard! or any other 80s rock and roll fantasy series.
I believe that the story is that they are not the original designs, but redrawns of Akira's designs. So they were never meant to be like that.
Kato's art is pretty cute.
1) shit battle gameplay
2) too many characters. all of them have 0 substance.
3) story is meh
4) absolutely abysmal sequel to chrono trigger. This is a point that matters because it does acknowledge itself as a sequel and disrespects its legacy
>FF: Spirits Within
You seem to be very knowledgeable. Can you tell me what the hell were they smoking when they made that movie?
I looked up on the net several times over the years but I could never find an explanation as to what exactly was their thought proccess when they designed that movie.
I remember seeing a video on Youtube that went into the history of this subject matter, and how it fricked up Square to almost go bankrupt.
Don't remember which video it was though since it was a while ago.
>there is a Masato Kato gacha that is basically notChrono Cross
Don't know how to feel about this
Reminder that according to Kato Chrono 3 was going to be about the Cross cast saving the Trigger cast and then uniting to face one final foe together.
This wasn't Chrono Break btw. That came later and was eventually turned into FF Dimensions II.