I have full intention of trying to get into the RTS genre, but I always end up talking myself out of it. I look at some videos of people playing Age of Empires, Halo Wars, StarCraft 2 and others and most of them are so ridiculous fast and legitimately good that there's no way I could see myself catching up to them.
I do NOT want strategy games to be less intimidating and more accessible at all. I actually think that's a great thing since the genre itself basically gatekeeps itself. My question is, for people who are into RTS games, how did you get over the initial thought of what it would take to actually get good at the games?
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>how did you get over the initial thought of what it would take to actually get good at the games?
play em. not like they still have an active online scene.
Would you say the ones I listed are pretty good for starters?
yea except halo wars sucks and starcraft 2 is LAME
>Halo Wars sucks
The first one or both?
The first 2 SC2 campaigns are super fun to play even if the story goes hard moron. Legacy of the void is dogshit though, just watch the cutscenes on youtube if you care about the shitty story and it's godawful ending (and I say that as someone who likes playing protoss).
I had the same issue last year.
You just have to ignore other people. The videos you see are from professionals who have been playing for decades. You can't expect to be as good as them in a week. They started like you. In fact, they probably had it worse because there was no wikis or guides back then.
I play AoE2 exclusively with bots. Eventually, you'll get good enough to the point where you can easily exploit their AI. From then on, it's only a matter of memorizing build orders and the UI.
For me, I prefer turn based over real time.
>I prefer turn based over real time
The only turn based one I know exists is Civilization. What are some other good ones you'd recommend?
Civilization series is my favorite. There's also the Total War games. The overworked plays sort of like cicilization, but when you go to war, you control your troops in real time. There's also XCOM, but I didn't get much into those games, so I can't say much about them. A lot of roguelikes and roguelites can be considered strategy games sometimes. Deck builders are a good example.
Ha! I'm nowhere near good. I can attest that the learning process is fun. The campaigns in AoE2 come with different scenarios that seem practical during a match. But what do I know, I've never played online. It's one of those games that are easy to pick up but hard to master.
>the learning process is fun
>It's one of those games that are easy to pick up but hard to master.
This was all I needed to read. The games I'm going to go for are StarCraft, AoE II, Civilization (probably V or VI), and Dawn of War. I'll also look into XCOM, but that'll be later.
Thank you all so much. Also
this was a good video to look at. If the thread just turns into RTS/Strategy discussion thread (or if it just dies after this) that's fine. I'm going to go ahead and get ready for work tomorrow. Again thank you all.
Two quick questions. How long did it take you to get good and did you have fun in the process?
play company of heroes. There's none of that gay worker stuff just fight.
age of empires, warcraft, and starcraft all have low skill floors. you can figure out the basics without being an autist. warcraft 3, aoe2, and starcraft1 are the goats
There's literally guides online to go from unranked to high elo in all those games that have a competitive scene. Some of them will even teach you if you have a geriatric 1 second reaction times body with low apm guides
is Starcraft the most demanding competitive RTS still? there must be super-autist games with zealous defenders right?
stay away from multiplayer unless you have friends to play with that arent gays, once you get into build order territory the fun is over
>stay away from multiplayer
Which begs the next question, what are strategy games with good single player campaigns?
1. warcraft
2. starcraft
Well, looks like it's StarCraft then. We'll see how this works. Otherwise I do think I'll try AoE 2
AOE 1 and 2 are super good. Just be careful which version because theres HD and remaster and I can't remember which is the shit one.
Play campaigns. You'll get a feel for factions and or gameplay styles you like and then go from there. Don't worry about high apm comp asiatics and streamers, they play this shit for 12 hours a day and you're not going to have to play against them for ages even if you start laddering. Warcraft3/Starcraft 1/2 and Dawn of War are good intro points with lots of stuff if you delve deeper. Homeworld 3 comes out next month 2 if you want something new.
don't worry about that shit, you know how many grandpa's in the 2000s were playing Age of Empires, just do your own thing
Just play AOE 3 campaigns, there's like hundreds of hours worth of content there to practice
It’s like asking a girl out.
Just go for it.
you sound like someone this vid was made for
dawn of war 1 best rts ever made and is designed in a way that apm is not that important
>there's no way I could see myself catching up to them.
You don't have to. What's with this moronation where people see pros do something then get saddened at never being that good? You don't need to be.
i imagine a lot of it was either playing it as a kid, so that initial thought isn't present or playing the game with a friend. i got into it playing with a friend but somehow cant transfer that to wanting to play rts alone.
>how did you get over the initial thought of what it would take to actually get good at the games?
AOE2's full skill curve is populated. They drop you in around 1000 elo, top players are 2k, the absolute worst go all the way down to 1elo. There's players all along the curve.
So
1. You WILL find your skill level as long as you play.
2. You are better than a lot more players than you realize as you are right now
3. If you look up the fundamentals of starting eco and a build order and maybe practice the opening build order once or twice before matchmaking you're probably just gonna stay around 1000 elo
4. It will feel like you're playing "real matches" within the first 10 games
>RTS
gay
>strategy
good
>4X
The pinnacle of the genre. RTS is the fighting games of strategy games.