Volo was strongest (lore wise) only while he still had Giratinas assistance. He doesnt have it anymore at the end of PLA.
in-game team wise - he loses to Cynthias rematch even with Giratina/8 pokemon. Her 85+ lvl team crushes basically everything in mainline pokemon
>Volo was strongest (lore wise) only while he still had Giratinas assistance. He doesnt have it anymore at the end of PLA.
This. Volo with Tina during PLA >>> Volo without Tina after PLA >Her 85+ lvl team crushes basically everything in mainline pokemon
And this
There's already a Cynthia thread. Making a redundant new Cynthia thread and starting it off with power level wank is how you know this is a false-flag thread made by a butthurt Irisgay just to bait out a b***hfest. Actual Cynthiabros are better than this.
They wanted to showcase Cynthia as the strongest by giving her such an unprecedentedly OP team
They even made the average level of her team higher than any of Reds post-game teams. Even Red kneels
Nice schizocope headcanon, but no.
Palmer has no in-game team/battle that can do anything against such a stacked lvl 85+ team
GameFreak signed off on this, so yeah they do
They wanted to showcase Cynthia as the strongest by giving her such an unprecedentedly OP team
They even made the average level of her team higher than any of Reds post-game teams. Even Red kneels
No one does except the player
And he wasnt Sinnohs champion, so of course he is weaker lore-wise as well.
Frontier brains are E4 level at best. Champion > E4/FBs
Anon, are you moronic or what? Those are 3-pokemon teams of lvl 50
They all get shitstomped into oblivion by the full team of
GameFreak signed off on this, so yeah they do
They wanted to showcase Cynthia as the strongest by giving her such an unprecedentedly OP team
They even made the average level of her team higher than any of Reds post-game teams. Even Red kneels
>Cynthia isn't the strongest in ANY game.
Her BDSP team is the strongest npc team in mainline pokemon history, so yeah - she is the undisputed #1 until/unless a stronger rematch comes along
8 months ago
Anonymous
Level scaled challenge > no level scaling
Palmer is the strongest boss, Cynthia copes with being the weakest champion.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, its not about your schizo headcanons.
Its about Palmer having no actual in-game team or fight that can measure up to
GameFreak signed off on this, so yeah they do
They wanted to showcase Cynthia as the strongest by giving her such an unprecedentedly OP team
They even made the average level of her team higher than any of Reds post-game teams. Even Red kneels
Concession accepted
8 months ago
Anonymous
>until/unless a stronger rematch comes along
The best GF can do is an average lvl 80ish team, so Cynthia is going to be reigning for a long time
8 months ago
Anonymous
I think you’re forgetting ILCA explicitly put Cynthia below Palmer in the Battle Tower, and gave him a stronger team. Definitively saying Palmer is stronger than her. Her champion battle doesn’t change that fact.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Her champion battle doesn’t change that fact.
Perhaps in your head thats true
8 months ago
Anonymous
Can you explain how Cynthia is stronger when the devs put her below Palmer? And don’t deflect to something else, since this is a 1:1 comparison.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Spammy shit like this is why this board is shit.
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Cynthia being the superboss is Gen 5 already does that. It's more annoying in Alola where she's kept lower than Red/Blue, but that was last gamefreak input on her. ILCA changes really don't matter at all imo
That said Gamefreak did make Volo the last superboss, and that was Cynthia's ancestor, he and Giratina are essentially your final challenge before facing off the Pokegod, so that adds to her legitimacy
It’s really annoying how Game Freak goes out of there way to shit all over Cynthia when it’s clear her popularity (most likes, most sales, most votes, absolute queen) is the only thing keeping their series alive. They should recognize fans LOVE her being the strongest not the Red wank or random characters like Iris being stronger than her. They put Cynthia in both the Unova and Alola games, so they recognize her popularity, but they refuse to actually support her in making her the strongest. I hate them and wish all the old people who still work at the company wanking Red would die off and be replaced with people who grew up playing Sinnoh and enjoy Cynthia.
Anon, are you moronic or what? Those are 3-pokemon teams of lvl 50
They all get shitstomped into oblivion by the full team of [...]
>Cynthia isn't the strongest in ANY game.
Her BDSP team is the strongest NPC team in mainline pokemon history, so yeah - she is the undisputed #1 until/unless a stronger rematch comes along
Cynthia being the superboss is Gen 5 already does that. It's more annoying in Alola where she's kept lower than Red/Blue, but that was last gamefreak input on her. ILCA changes really don't matter at all imo
The thing is this adds to that shit. I know its not as bad as that, but ideally character threads should probably be limited to a single thing unless we're discussing something game specific. Thankfully this thread is more about power levels of champions rather than just waifuhomosexualry but you know how these threads can be.
This is a perfectly valid thread. If you dont like it you can ignore it. >waifuhomosexualry
Another perfectly valid reason to post on /vp/. In fact without waifu threads this board would be very dead.
>Cynthia being the superboss is Gen 5 already does that. It's more annoying in Alola where she's kept lower than Red/Blue, but that was last gamefreak input on her. ILCA changes really don't matter at all imo
Strongest full battle team (which is in the post-game/rematch) = strongest champion, its really just as simple as that. Its the status symbol.
Reds Mt. Silver team in GSC and then HGSS is the main reason he gets wanked so hard, but Cynthia surpasses that
>Reds Mt. Silver team in GSC and then HGSS is the main reason he gets wanked so hard, but Cynthia surpasses that
This. They didnt let Garchomp surpass Pikachu in levels (88=88), but in every other way Cynthias team >> Reds team. Its no wonder some Redgays are seething at this.
It’s really annoying how Game Freak goes out of there way to shit all over Cynthia when it’s clear her popularity (most likes, most sales, most votes, absolute queen) is the only thing keeping their series alive. They should recognize fans LOVE her being the strongest not the Red wank or random characters like Iris being stronger than her. They put Cynthia in both the Unova and Alola games, so they recognize her popularity, but they refuse to actually support her in making her the strongest. I hate them and wish all the old people who still work at the company wanking Red would die off and be replaced with people who grew up playing Sinnoh and enjoy Cynthia.
>Thats voregays level of cope
Shitroonasimps and the Vorespammer really are just two sides of the same coin. It wouldn’t shock me if the vorespammer is just a Shithiasimp spamming his fetish revolving around his troon champion.
>Reds Mt. Silver team in GSC and then HGSS is the main reason he gets wanked so hard, but Cynthia surpasses that
This. They didnt let Garchomp surpass Pikachu in levels (88=88), but in every other way Cynthias team >> Reds team. Its no wonder some Redgays are seething at this.
[...]
Thats voregays level of cope.
I’m not following the logic. You do realize Cynthia isn’t even the strongest post-game trainer in Gen V, right? It’s also weird to compare battles from different games since the context is always different, just look at Johto.
Just compare the best currently existing teams (naturally they will be post-game/rematch teams) of whatever trainers you wish to compare. The specific game/gen doesnt matter.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>? you just make up a bunch of imaginary criteria
I’m not setting a criteria, I just said it’s weird.
Regardless, Cynthia isn’t even the strongest trainer in Unova’s post-game so all this discussion about her ‘potentially except not really’ being stronger than Red is pointless since that incarnation of her isn’t even the strongest. >The specific game/gen doesnt matter.
Comparing battles from different games is moronic if you’re trying to have an honest discussion. Johto is a prime example: its E4 have a bunch of level 40s, meaning if you compare them to any other game they would be weaker than gym leaders.
This is part of why Red is so impressive. His team is not just the strongest in GSC/HGSS, his team is by far and away the strongest in those games - with his team being 30 levels higher than anything else in the game.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Gen 5 was over 10 years ago. And Unova isnt even Cynthias main region, she just goes there on vacations and doesnt use the exact same team as in Sinnoh
>Comparing battles from different games is moronic
well thats your opinion
>Johto is a prime example: its E4 have a bunch of level 40s, meaning if you compare them to any other game they would be weaker than gym leaders.
if they didnt have any rematches then yes - they suck ass
Fortunately they do have lvl 60+ rematches in HGSS... ("This team is used once the player has earned all 16 Badges")
>This is part of why Red is so impressive. His team is not just the strongest in GSC/HGSS, his team is by far and away the strongest in those games - with his team being 30 levels higher than anything else in the game.
Thats good. But BDSP Cynthia is even stronger - thats fact
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Gen 5 was over 10 years ago.
You’re the one who brought up to try and convince people Cynthia is anything other than a B-rate Trainer. >well thats your opinion
It’s the only opinion to hold if you want an honest discussion that doesn’t ignore game design to shill one character over another. >if they didnt have any rematches then yes - they suck ass
By what metric? They’re part of the E4, the strongest trainers in the region. The reason their levels are low is because Johto has another region as its post-game. >But BDSP Cynthia is even stronger
BDSP Cynthia is one of the strongest trainers in BDSP. That’s about as far as her legacy goes.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>BDSP Cynthia is one of the strongest trainers in BDSP. That’s about as far as her legacy goes.
BDSP Cynthia currently has the strongest ever NPC team in mainline pokemon games
8 months ago
Anonymous
NPC teams in battle facilities are much stronger, especially in BDSP where you have forced amie friendship mechanics that trivializes any challenge.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>NPC teams in battle facilities are much stronger
Please dont be moronic, those are ~3 lvl 50 pokemon.
I shall repeat again - BDSP Cynthia currently has the strongest ever NPC team in mainline pokemon games.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Please dont be moronic
How am I being moronic for stating the truth? If you find difficulty with non-level scaled trainers, who you can battle with level 100 legendaries, then you might have something wrong with your brain.
Battle facility trainers are THE challenge of any Pokémon game, outside of playing online. >those are ~3 lvl 50 pokemon
Lv 50 vs Lv 50 with a ruleset or Lv 100 vs Lv 80 with amie buffs
8 months ago
Anonymous
>How am I being moronic for stating the truth? If you find difficulty with non-level scaled trainers, who you can battle with level 100 legendaries, then you might have something wrong with your brain. >Battle facility trainers are THE challenge of any Pokémon game, outside of playing online. >Lv 50 vs Lv 50 with a ruleset or Lv 100 vs Lv 80 with amie buffs
...none of that is relevant to this discussion whatsoever. They are lower levels, that makes them weaker in a direct comparison.
Some facility trainer with 3 lvl 50 pokemon cant be stronger than a 6x lvl 85+ team.
8 months ago
Anonymous
even the youtubers know her power
8 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s the only opinion to hold
No, again - thats your subjective headcanon.
Comparing best team VS best team (regardless of game) makes perfect sense. And update them as new games/remakes come out
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Comparing best team VS best team (regardless of game) makes perfect sense
Then you take no issue with people who compare Red’s level 100 Stadium team?
8 months ago
Anonymous
I dont, but Stadium is not a mainline game. Does not apply to a mainline comparison.
Spin-offs generally do not matter
FYI in Masters (another non-mainline game) the current max level is 150....
P.S. Bulbapedia also says for his Stadium team "Lv.50-100"
Which implies that its not a fixed lvl 100, which is something completely different from fixed levels. So he wouldnt have a permanent lvl 100 team then.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Spin-offs generally do not matter
Define spin-off in a way that doesn’t implicate ILCA’s game you actively use in arguments.
>How am I being moronic for stating the truth? If you find difficulty with non-level scaled trainers, who you can battle with level 100 legendaries, then you might have something wrong with your brain. >Battle facility trainers are THE challenge of any Pokémon game, outside of playing online. >Lv 50 vs Lv 50 with a ruleset or Lv 100 vs Lv 80 with amie buffs
...none of that is relevant to this discussion whatsoever. They are lower levels, that makes them weaker in a direct comparison.
Some facility trainer with 3 lvl 50 pokemon cant be stronger than a 6x lvl 85+ team.
>none of that is relevant to this discussion whatsoever
If this discussion isn’t about strength and challenge then I don’t know what it’s about. You verbally fellating Cynthia by arbitrarily ignoring anything that doesn’t make her out to be how she exists solely in your head?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I don’t know what it’s about.
"BDSP Cynthia currently has the strongest ever NPC team in mainline pokemon games. "
8 months ago
Anonymous
The discussion is about how you are a liar, since battle facility trainers have stronger teams? Doesn’t Cynthia have negative natures and 0 IVs in some stats?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Stadium is a battle sim with set levels and isn’t an RPG. doesn’t count
...high fiber meal
That's not cool, anon.
Oh I'd make a meal out of Cynthia's pussy alright.
>Voregay is still this mindbroken
his posts get deleted within 10 minutes now
Jannies finally steppingvup from their gaming chairs and enforcing the law
They need to put a janny here on /vp/ 24/7
no sleep
The most powerful. The sexiest. The classiest. The champion of champions.
Queen Cynthia
How does she mindbreak people so hard?
By being THE STRONGEST, of course.
>How does she mindbreak people so hard?
I think some people just hate the fact that a blonde female trainer is so powerful + so popular
no argument here.
I kneel
Red is her boytoy btw
>her boytoy
giwtwm
How can something this cute be this strong?
>Smart
>Funny
>Strong
>Talented
>Beautiful
there is literally nothing she can't do - she is perfection itself.
Van Gogh himself could not have drawn a better looking Garchomp
The strong-
is Volo
Volo was strongest (lore wise) only while he still had Giratinas assistance. He doesnt have it anymore at the end of PLA.
in-game team wise - he loses to Cynthias rematch even with Giratina/8 pokemon. Her 85+ lvl team crushes basically everything in mainline pokemon
His fight is kino though
>Volo was strongest (lore wise) only while he still had Giratinas assistance. He doesnt have it anymore at the end of PLA.
This. Volo with Tina during PLA >>> Volo without Tina after PLA
>Her 85+ lvl team crushes basically everything in mainline pokemon
And this
There's already a Cynthia thread. Making a redundant new Cynthia thread and starting it off with power level wank is how you know this is a false-flag thread made by a butthurt Irisgay just to bait out a b***hfest. Actual Cynthiabros are better than this.
nah, we can have more than Cynthia bread
And there is literally nothing wrong with power level threads or Cynthia being the strongest champion
more than 1*
Game Freak doesn't agree.
GameFreak signed off on this, so yeah they do
They wanted to showcase Cynthia as the strongest by giving her such an unprecedentedly OP team
They even made the average level of her team higher than any of Reds post-game teams. Even Red kneels
Even in ILCA's fanfic Cynthia is shown to be weaker than Palmer. He has legendaries and is the final boss, she doesn't and isn't.
Nice schizocope headcanon, but no.
Palmer has no in-game team/battle that can do anything against such a stacked lvl 85+ team
No one does except the player
And he wasnt Sinnohs champion, so of course he is weaker lore-wise as well.
Frontier brains are E4 level at best. Champion > E4/FBs
How mad are you right now? Cynthia isn't the strongest in ANY game.
Anon, are you moronic or what? Those are 3-pokemon teams of lvl 50
They all get shitstomped into oblivion by the full team of
>Cynthia isn't the strongest in ANY game.
Her BDSP team is the strongest npc team in mainline pokemon history, so yeah - she is the undisputed #1 until/unless a stronger rematch comes along
Level scaled challenge > no level scaling
Palmer is the strongest boss, Cynthia copes with being the weakest champion.
Anon, its not about your schizo headcanons.
Its about Palmer having no actual in-game team or fight that can measure up to
Concession accepted
>until/unless a stronger rematch comes along
The best GF can do is an average lvl 80ish team, so Cynthia is going to be reigning for a long time
I think you’re forgetting ILCA explicitly put Cynthia below Palmer in the Battle Tower, and gave him a stronger team. Definitively saying Palmer is stronger than her. Her champion battle doesn’t change that fact.
>Her champion battle doesn’t change that fact.
Perhaps in your head thats true
Can you explain how Cynthia is stronger when the devs put her below Palmer? And don’t deflect to something else, since this is a 1:1 comparison.
That said Gamefreak did make Volo the last superboss, and that was Cynthia's ancestor, he and Giratina are essentially your final challenge before facing off the Pokegod, so that adds to her legitimacy
>Even Red kneels
in the franchise - Red is the underaged prince to Cynthias mature empress
Red has LV100s in Stadium, cope
>in Stadium
:^)
>Comparing a second rematch non-canon bonus challenge team to a canon initial match team
Holy cope
>I decide what's canon and what isn't
The burden of proof is on you then, prove that optional rematch fight is canon.
It’s really annoying how Game Freak goes out of there way to shit all over Cynthia when it’s clear her popularity (most likes, most sales, most votes, absolute queen) is the only thing keeping their series alive. They should recognize fans LOVE her being the strongest not the Red wank or random characters like Iris being stronger than her. They put Cynthia in both the Unova and Alola games, so they recognize her popularity, but they refuse to actually support her in making her the strongest. I hate them and wish all the old people who still work at the company wanking Red would die off and be replaced with people who grew up playing Sinnoh and enjoy Cynthia.
(OP)
Anon you already had a Cynthia thread here
. Please don't get to vomoron's level and spam her
There is no rule that says /vp/ must be limited to only 1 Cynthia thread at a time
Popular characters naturally get more threads
Spammy shit like this is why this board is shit.
Cynthia being the superboss is Gen 5 already does that. It's more annoying in Alola where she's kept lower than Red/Blue, but that was last gamefreak input on her. ILCA changes really don't matter at all imo
>Spammy shit like this is why this board is shit.
The board is shit because nu-pokemon is shit. Plus vore spam, wojak raids, discord raids etc.
The thing is this adds to that shit. I know its not as bad as that, but ideally character threads should probably be limited to a single thing unless we're discussing something game specific. Thankfully this thread is more about power levels of champions rather than just waifuhomosexualry but you know how these threads can be.
This is a perfectly valid thread. If you dont like it you can ignore it.
>waifuhomosexualry
Another perfectly valid reason to post on /vp/. In fact without waifu threads this board would be very dead.
>Cynthia being the superboss is Gen 5 already does that. It's more annoying in Alola where she's kept lower than Red/Blue, but that was last gamefreak input on her. ILCA changes really don't matter at all imo
Strongest full battle team (which is in the post-game/rematch) = strongest champion, its really just as simple as that. Its the status symbol.
Reds Mt. Silver team in GSC and then HGSS is the main reason he gets wanked so hard, but Cynthia surpasses that
>Reds Mt. Silver team in GSC and then HGSS is the main reason he gets wanked so hard, but Cynthia surpasses that
This. They didnt let Garchomp surpass Pikachu in levels (88=88), but in every other way Cynthias team >> Reds team. Its no wonder some Redgays are seething at this.
Thats voregays level of cope.
>Thats voregays level of cope
Shitroonasimps and the Vorespammer really are just two sides of the same coin. It wouldn’t shock me if the vorespammer is just a Shithiasimp spamming his fetish revolving around his troon champion.
meds
I’m not following the logic. You do realize Cynthia isn’t even the strongest post-game trainer in Gen V, right? It’s also weird to compare battles from different games since the context is always different, just look at Johto.
? you just make up a bunch of imaginary criteria
Just compare the best currently existing teams (naturally they will be post-game/rematch teams) of whatever trainers you wish to compare. The specific game/gen doesnt matter.
>? you just make up a bunch of imaginary criteria
I’m not setting a criteria, I just said it’s weird.
Regardless, Cynthia isn’t even the strongest trainer in Unova’s post-game so all this discussion about her ‘potentially except not really’ being stronger than Red is pointless since that incarnation of her isn’t even the strongest.
>The specific game/gen doesnt matter.
Comparing battles from different games is moronic if you’re trying to have an honest discussion. Johto is a prime example: its E4 have a bunch of level 40s, meaning if you compare them to any other game they would be weaker than gym leaders.
This is part of why Red is so impressive. His team is not just the strongest in GSC/HGSS, his team is by far and away the strongest in those games - with his team being 30 levels higher than anything else in the game.
Gen 5 was over 10 years ago. And Unova isnt even Cynthias main region, she just goes there on vacations and doesnt use the exact same team as in Sinnoh
>Comparing battles from different games is moronic
well thats your opinion
>Johto is a prime example: its E4 have a bunch of level 40s, meaning if you compare them to any other game they would be weaker than gym leaders.
if they didnt have any rematches then yes - they suck ass
Fortunately they do have lvl 60+ rematches in HGSS... ("This team is used once the player has earned all 16 Badges")
>This is part of why Red is so impressive. His team is not just the strongest in GSC/HGSS, his team is by far and away the strongest in those games - with his team being 30 levels higher than anything else in the game.
Thats good. But BDSP Cynthia is even stronger - thats fact
>Gen 5 was over 10 years ago.
You’re the one who brought up to try and convince people Cynthia is anything other than a B-rate Trainer.
>well thats your opinion
It’s the only opinion to hold if you want an honest discussion that doesn’t ignore game design to shill one character over another.
>if they didnt have any rematches then yes - they suck ass
By what metric? They’re part of the E4, the strongest trainers in the region. The reason their levels are low is because Johto has another region as its post-game.
>But BDSP Cynthia is even stronger
BDSP Cynthia is one of the strongest trainers in BDSP. That’s about as far as her legacy goes.
>BDSP Cynthia is one of the strongest trainers in BDSP. That’s about as far as her legacy goes.
BDSP Cynthia currently has the strongest ever NPC team in mainline pokemon games
NPC teams in battle facilities are much stronger, especially in BDSP where you have forced amie friendship mechanics that trivializes any challenge.
>NPC teams in battle facilities are much stronger
Please dont be moronic, those are ~3 lvl 50 pokemon.
I shall repeat again - BDSP Cynthia currently has the strongest ever NPC team in mainline pokemon games.
>Please dont be moronic
How am I being moronic for stating the truth? If you find difficulty with non-level scaled trainers, who you can battle with level 100 legendaries, then you might have something wrong with your brain.
Battle facility trainers are THE challenge of any Pokémon game, outside of playing online.
>those are ~3 lvl 50 pokemon
Lv 50 vs Lv 50 with a ruleset or Lv 100 vs Lv 80 with amie buffs
>How am I being moronic for stating the truth? If you find difficulty with non-level scaled trainers, who you can battle with level 100 legendaries, then you might have something wrong with your brain.
>Battle facility trainers are THE challenge of any Pokémon game, outside of playing online.
>Lv 50 vs Lv 50 with a ruleset or Lv 100 vs Lv 80 with amie buffs
...none of that is relevant to this discussion whatsoever. They are lower levels, that makes them weaker in a direct comparison.
Some facility trainer with 3 lvl 50 pokemon cant be stronger than a 6x lvl 85+ team.
even the youtubers know her power
>It’s the only opinion to hold
No, again - thats your subjective headcanon.
Comparing best team VS best team (regardless of game) makes perfect sense. And update them as new games/remakes come out
>Comparing best team VS best team (regardless of game) makes perfect sense
Then you take no issue with people who compare Red’s level 100 Stadium team?
I dont, but Stadium is not a mainline game. Does not apply to a mainline comparison.
Spin-offs generally do not matter
FYI in Masters (another non-mainline game) the current max level is 150....
P.S. Bulbapedia also says for his Stadium team "Lv.50-100"
Which implies that its not a fixed lvl 100, which is something completely different from fixed levels. So he wouldnt have a permanent lvl 100 team then.
>Spin-offs generally do not matter
Define spin-off in a way that doesn’t implicate ILCA’s game you actively use in arguments.
>none of that is relevant to this discussion whatsoever
If this discussion isn’t about strength and challenge then I don’t know what it’s about. You verbally fellating Cynthia by arbitrarily ignoring anything that doesn’t make her out to be how she exists solely in your head?
>I don’t know what it’s about.
"BDSP Cynthia currently has the strongest ever NPC team in mainline pokemon games. "
The discussion is about how you are a liar, since battle facility trainers have stronger teams? Doesn’t Cynthia have negative natures and 0 IVs in some stats?
Stadium is a battle sim with set levels and isn’t an RPG. doesn’t count
Red is stronger + you need to cut down on the porn moron
>Red is stronger
Wrong, his team is a bit lower in levels and much much weaker in overall strength. Cynthia is #1 right now.
Is Cynthia even stronger than Diantha? Cynthia might be battling Lance for the position of weakest champion.