Though you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs! So what if some humans got harrowing consequences, it's all part of the learning process.
WAU is a fancy AI experiment that ended up far outside normal parameters. It does "nothing wrong" the same way an uncaged wild animal does "nothing wrong".
It's not like there wasn't capacity to do that already. Almost all of humanity is still dead and booting some reference brain scans on a bunch of electronics you can't even manufacture yourself is not going to fix it.
AI goes overly reductionist in its interpretation of fuzzy global rules, turns remnants of humanity into living hell. Oh noes.
Could we declare a moratorium on this played out sci-fi trope, please?
Even if it made the MC who eventually saved humanity, it only needed him because it facilitated a mad man to destroy the plan in the first place. If it hadn't existed the probe would have launched on schedule.
homosexuals getting over looking downwards and seeing a robot body and not a human one
literally all the entire cast of SOMA had to do
and understanding that it's fricking brain cloning and not transferring
It’s really strange that not a single person brings up this in all of the game. Like both can be the same person it doesn’t have to be one superseding the other. All of the characters just seem kind of moronic.
You've got to imagine just how shitty the living conditions in the facility are. It's not surprising most people would take the promise of a simulated paradise over a shitty place like PATHOS, robot body or no.
homosexuals getting over looking downwards and seeing a robot body and not a human one
literally all the entire cast of SOMA had to do
and understanding that it's fricking brain cloning and not transferring
Akkktually, the guy that you run the energy through talks about this if you keep chatting with him.
I'm disappointed that the game never went beyond the "human body vs. machine vs. program" idea of being human. It's all focused on "saving humanity" but we "save" maybe a few dozen simulated people. Being human includes being part of wider human civilization, and that is irreversibly gone.
> Subjugate the WAU > Make copies of every brainscan loaded into the arc > Read everything on the station > Compel every brainscan you can find to tell you everything they know > Attain comprehension of the WAU > Attain comprehension of the Brainscan and Surrogate technologies > Experiment with, and improve upon, the tech at our disposal > Create many, many Simons > Inherit the earth > Rebuild civilization > Explore the surface > Dominate the surface > After the world stops being on fire, try to salvage the biosphere > Contemplate giving other brainscans bodies > If living humans are found, contemplate killing them before they become a problem
We're functionally immortal.
This is our planet now.
If the possibility presents itself why not.
We have brainscan copy-pasta, no reason that each iteration can hop between being organic and synthetic. As for the 'originals' before behind - if the copy wanted to switch forms the original will still want to as well, so just euthanize them immediately afterwards. That way everyone is happy.
That may seem borderline immoral, but I ask you who exists to impose standards of ethics on me save for the legions of myself?
All other worthy life is either turbo-fricked, deranged to the point of non-functionality, or in hiding because of the meteor.
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Anonymous
> *Holy shit, I need sleep* > *Hopefully this is a little more coherent*
If the possibility presents itself why not.
We have brainscan copy-paste tech. There's no reason that each iteration cannot hop between being organic and synthetic on a whim. As for the 'originals' that are left behind - if the copy wanted to switch forms the original will still want to as well, so we can just euthanize them immediately afterwards if the copy wants to retain continuity of self. That way everyone is happy.
That may seem borderline immoral, but I ask you who exists to impose standards of ethics on me save for the legions of myself?
All other worthy life is either turbo-fricked, deranged to the point of non-functionality, or in hiding because of the meteor.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Most people, especially in the moment and being actually there, would not have the will to do it. It's easy to say you'd do it in your current position. And there is nothing saying that shift in perspective alone doesn't change who you are fundamentally. Or at the very least what your goals would be versus what they would be right now given that simulated situation.
I'm with you on ruling the earth with many me's, in theory. I just don't know that if it was me in that position if I wouldn't b***h out.
wasn't there structure gel dripping onto the space probe before simon launched it. could the probe start to self repair or change over time even disconnected from the wau by being in space or would there be some link or autonomy or do what those inside the probe wanted?
yes i am a fedora tipping dickhead but lets ignore that for a bit
the entire game you were never biologically human, and thought the self, aka the soul was being transferred
but it never was, since it's just copying the data of someone's personality and memories.
The saddest part of the game is that the writers clearly didn't understand the WAU.
It's literally the only actual savior of humanity in the story. An automated program attempting to comprehend what a human is, and how to make them work to accomplish its singular task in the face of unforeseen adversary.
What the game should actually have been about is Simon breaking free from the clutches of a delusional AI copy of Catherine and achieving his actual goal, which is the marriage of human and machine to create humanity 2.0. Instead, the WAU is just a glowing butthole with no impact on the story. Simon totally ignores his whole reason for existing, which is that the WAU has found his brain scan and thought "hey, this is a human, I've got some things that used to be human and some robot parts, why not put them together and see if it works out?". What the game should've been about is Simon realising that the WAU isn't evil, it's just not capable of understanding without intervention, and Simon's true role is to preserve what is left of the few remaining humans and converse with the WAU through scary dream-like interactions to explain what's useful and what isn't.
Instead, the game is about 2 absolute morons wasting their time to ensure that the last few remaining copies of what humanity was fly off into space to fade out of existence forever with no hope of preservation. It's a really disgusting story.
>Instead, the game is about 2 absolute morons wasting their time to ensure that the last few remaining copies of what humanity was fly off into space to fade out of existence forever with no hope of preservation. It's a really disgusting story.
kek. it really do be like that.
It got a few things wrong.
Though you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs! So what if some humans got harrowing consequences, it's all part of the learning process.
robo-anus
WAU is a fancy AI experiment that ended up far outside normal parameters. It does "nothing wrong" the same way an uncaged wild animal does "nothing wrong".
it made simon with a fricking box of scraps and barely any electricity
and if you consider simon to be human enough mission fricking complete
It's not like there wasn't capacity to do that already. Almost all of humanity is still dead and booting some reference brain scans on a bunch of electronics you can't even manufacture yourself is not going to fix it.
AI goes overly reductionist in its interpretation of fuzzy global rules, turns remnants of humanity into living hell. Oh noes.
Could we declare a moratorium on this played out sci-fi trope, please?
Even if it made the MC who eventually saved humanity, it only needed him because it facilitated a mad man to destroy the plan in the first place. If it hadn't existed the probe would have launched on schedule.
>saved humanity
>a USB stick running the sims on a cubesat
Do you have any better idea?
homosexuals getting over looking downwards and seeing a robot body and not a human one
literally all the entire cast of SOMA had to do
and understanding that it's fricking brain cloning and not transferring
It’s really strange that not a single person brings up this in all of the game. Like both can be the same person it doesn’t have to be one superseding the other. All of the characters just seem kind of moronic.
You've got to imagine just how shitty the living conditions in the facility are. It's not surprising most people would take the promise of a simulated paradise over a shitty place like PATHOS, robot body or no.
Akkktually, the guy that you run the energy through talks about this if you keep chatting with him.
I'm disappointed that the game never went beyond the "human body vs. machine vs. program" idea of being human. It's all focused on "saving humanity" but we "save" maybe a few dozen simulated people. Being human includes being part of wider human civilization, and that is irreversibly gone.
> Subjugate the WAU
> Make copies of every brainscan loaded into the arc
> Read everything on the station
> Compel every brainscan you can find to tell you everything they know
> Attain comprehension of the WAU
> Attain comprehension of the Brainscan and Surrogate technologies
> Experiment with, and improve upon, the tech at our disposal
> Create many, many Simons
> Inherit the earth
> Rebuild civilization
> Explore the surface
> Dominate the surface
> After the world stops being on fire, try to salvage the biosphere
> Contemplate giving other brainscans bodies
> If living humans are found, contemplate killing them before they become a problem
We're functionally immortal.
This is our planet now.
would you ever make bioclones of yourself or just keep making robots though?
If the possibility presents itself why not.
We have brainscan copy-pasta, no reason that each iteration can hop between being organic and synthetic. As for the 'originals' before behind - if the copy wanted to switch forms the original will still want to as well, so just euthanize them immediately afterwards. That way everyone is happy.
That may seem borderline immoral, but I ask you who exists to impose standards of ethics on me save for the legions of myself?
All other worthy life is either turbo-fricked, deranged to the point of non-functionality, or in hiding because of the meteor.
> *Holy shit, I need sleep*
> *Hopefully this is a little more coherent*
If the possibility presents itself why not.
We have brainscan copy-paste tech. There's no reason that each iteration cannot hop between being organic and synthetic on a whim. As for the 'originals' that are left behind - if the copy wanted to switch forms the original will still want to as well, so we can just euthanize them immediately afterwards if the copy wants to retain continuity of self. That way everyone is happy.
That may seem borderline immoral, but I ask you who exists to impose standards of ethics on me save for the legions of myself?
All other worthy life is either turbo-fricked, deranged to the point of non-functionality, or in hiding because of the meteor.
Most people, especially in the moment and being actually there, would not have the will to do it. It's easy to say you'd do it in your current position. And there is nothing saying that shift in perspective alone doesn't change who you are fundamentally. Or at the very least what your goals would be versus what they would be right now given that simulated situation.
I'm with you on ruling the earth with many me's, in theory. I just don't know that if it was me in that position if I wouldn't b***h out.
>> Create many, many Simons
you can't just make more simons
you need the rotting husks of cute girls to stuff the brainscans into
>small usb stick gets pulled into a worm hole
>fake digital "humanity" dies.
wasn't there structure gel dripping onto the space probe before simon launched it. could the probe start to self repair or change over time even disconnected from the wau by being in space or would there be some link or autonomy or do what those inside the probe wanted?
The WAU is doing it's best.
game sucks because it never factors in the human soul.
it does.
because the characters are convinced there is one when there isn't.
yes i am a fedora tipping dickhead but lets ignore that for a bit
the entire game you were never biologically human, and thought the self, aka the soul was being transferred
but it never was, since it's just copying the data of someone's personality and memories.
And where in the body is that located? What gland contains that?
The entire game revolves around challenging the existence of souls
The saddest part of the game is that the writers clearly didn't understand the WAU.
It's literally the only actual savior of humanity in the story. An automated program attempting to comprehend what a human is, and how to make them work to accomplish its singular task in the face of unforeseen adversary.
What the game should actually have been about is Simon breaking free from the clutches of a delusional AI copy of Catherine and achieving his actual goal, which is the marriage of human and machine to create humanity 2.0. Instead, the WAU is just a glowing butthole with no impact on the story. Simon totally ignores his whole reason for existing, which is that the WAU has found his brain scan and thought "hey, this is a human, I've got some things that used to be human and some robot parts, why not put them together and see if it works out?". What the game should've been about is Simon realising that the WAU isn't evil, it's just not capable of understanding without intervention, and Simon's true role is to preserve what is left of the few remaining humans and converse with the WAU through scary dream-like interactions to explain what's useful and what isn't.
Instead, the game is about 2 absolute morons wasting their time to ensure that the last few remaining copies of what humanity was fly off into space to fade out of existence forever with no hope of preservation. It's a really disgusting story.
>Instead, the game is about 2 absolute morons wasting their time to ensure that the last few remaining copies of what humanity was fly off into space to fade out of existence forever with no hope of preservation. It's a really disgusting story.
kek. it really do be like that.