>it's not poorly written, you just don't understand it!
ah the classic cope argument
Gen 4 was truly the start of these games trying to be deep but coming off as pretentious
Emotions are what cause people to be evil thus start war and harm towards other, hence why Cyrus hates emotions. It's the same reason why stories like "I have no mouth and I must scream" are bullshit because the main plot is "AI is le evil and hates humans because it doesn't have emotions", even though you do need emotions to feel any sort of hate in the first place.
How are you fricking morons too braindead to comprehend a story made for a children's game that more than a decade old.
>Emotions are what cause people to be evil thus start war
If you unironically think people start wars because “evil lul” then you have the mentality of a literal child.
>People start wars because they have a desire for something like power, money or land
Yeah you're right, that lion that hunted and killed that antelope did it out of emotion and not because of basic logical brain function
Animals act on survival instinct unlike humans who have higer emotional intelligence. You're not trying to say you have the intelligence of a chimp, are you?
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>unlike humans
Have you ever talked to people outside of your bubble? My god man humans are literally just smarter animals, chill out and think.
2 years ago
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thinking is dangerous, just look at this thread
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>humans are literally just smarter animals
Yeah, they are.
Also
Animals are also not capable of sin moron. Why are Cyrus haters so subhuman? Can't even understand a children's game.
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>animals aren’t capable of sin
Now that’s just moronic. For fricks sake dolphins rape and kill for fun. Killer whales torture their food by flinging them into the air.
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>For fricks sake dolphins rape and kill for fun.
And they're said to be one of the smartest animals besides us humans. Funny how that works.
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Are you implying that thinking and intelligence are inherently evil/flawed?
Bro the entire point of humanity is to overcome these base desires, whether that be through logic or emotions.
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it indeed is
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>thinking and intelligence are inherently evil/flawed?
No, but they are connected.
If we weren't intelligent enough to know what is morally evil, we wouldn't have any standards that would make us "evil". There'd be no need to "overcome these base desires" in the first place.
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>smart people are all good
You know most serial killers are intelligent right? Intelligence isn’t a factor when deciding if someone’s a good person or not.
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almost as if morality is a concept created to keep lesser beings in line
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>morality is a basic concept to keep others in line
Holy shit man do you think your abhorrent actions won’t negatively effect the next generation of humans for the worse.
Should we all eat McDonald’s 3 times a day because it feels good? Using “intellect” to justify your hedonism will never lead to a functioning society
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>Should we all eat McDonald’s 3 times a day because it feels good?
I'd consider that less hedonism and more natural selection
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Hedonism can only survive by taking from others, since most are allowed to labor/work
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glad to see that we are in understanding of the nature of a functioning society then
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Bound to happen sooner or later
The whole point is that the villain is usually a dumbass hypocrite.
Cyrus is intrigued by willpower but despises conviction and emotion because it drives people to do moronic things, so he's using his own conviction and emotion to drive himself to do a moronic thing (remake the universe in his image) to fix that.
Lysandre despises the rich for not using their influence and power responsibly to let the world, people and Pokemon prosper, so he's deemed that if humanity at its greatest influential points can't do anything good, he needs to either commit human genocide or plunge the world in stasis so the world's innate beauties can be restored/preserved, but he's also only letting those very same rich bastards be the only ones that can survive his holocaust because Team Flare has an entry fee and various tiers of importance based on how rich and influential you are.
>Lysandre thinks humanity already peaked
Does team flare not understand how time functions?
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>Animals act on survival instinct while* humans who have higer emotional intelligence.
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>Animals act on survival instinct
Taking over land to get resources is a survival instinct.
>They just wrote vague nonsense as an excuse for the thing on the box of the game to show up.
honestly you can say that for Gen 4 as a whole
they just wrote vague nonsense as an excuse for new Pokémon to show up
The whole point is that the villain is usually a dumbass hypocrite.
Cyrus is intrigued by willpower but despises conviction and emotion because it drives people to do moronic things, so he's using his own conviction and emotion to drive himself to do a moronic thing (remake the universe in his image) to fix that.
Lysandre despises the rich for not using their influence and power responsibly to let the world, people and Pokemon prosper, so he's deemed that if humanity at its greatest influential points can't do anything good, he needs to either commit human genocide or plunge the world in stasis so the world's innate beauties can be restored/preserved, but he's also only letting those very same rich bastards be the only ones that can survive his holocaust because Team Flare has an entry fee and various tiers of importance based on how rich and influential you are.
It's moronic in Pokemon's case because everything is exactly as per Arceus' design or else it wouldn't have happened in the first place, therefore he's destined to fail.
and he lets you release the lake legendaries for no fricking reason and it's literally why his plan ends up failing in DP. Unironically more clownish writing than gen 8.
>Cyrus >I want a new recreated world with no emotions because I am depraved and want Sex with Giratina
>Volo >Giratina was trapped and sent to hell by Arceus, why shouldn't we let it get it's revenge? Frick this world and frick you, I WANT TO BE THE LORD AND CREATE MY OWN UNIVERSE
>can’t understand someone’s motives >”well clearly he wants to erase all emotion”
What’s up with this obsession on emotions being the greatest thing ever
Now that I think about it
This came out just a year after the Star Wars prequel trilogy ended, and those movies had a lot of "emotion is bad emotion leads to anger to hate blah blah bottle them up" talk in them. GF probably riffed Cyrus off that
I interpreted him as finding emotions and probably life in general extremely painful. He feels so bad he'd rather everyone feel nothing just to get rid of that feeling. I mean I guess I'm extrapolating, but I feel like he makes more sense to me than most Pokemon villains. Plus he ultimately gets a version of what he wants in his ending, where he's in a simpler world with Giratina where the complications of life won't bother him and everyone else gets to keep their feelings.
his motivation makes no fricking sense. They just wrote vague nonsense as an excuse for the thing on the box of the game to show up.
Emotions are what cause people to be evil thus start war and harm towards other, hence why Cyrus hates emotions. It's the same reason why stories like "I have no mouth and I must scream" are bullshit because the main plot is "AI is le evil and hates humans because it doesn't have emotions", even though you do need emotions to feel any sort of hate in the first place.
How are you fricking morons too braindead to comprehend a story made for a children's game that more than a decade old.
>Emotions are what cause people to be evil thus start war
If you unironically think people start wars because “evil lul” then you have the mentality of a literal child.
Yeah I'm sure Tyrone was being 100% logical when he blasted that guy for stepping on his shoes.
Imagine having this much of your thoughts constantly occupied by Black folk
People start wars because they have a desire for something like power, money or land. Desire is an emotion.
They also start wars because of food and shit. Emotions can be troublesome for those in power, but it’s a necessary evil.
True, it goes both ways.
If anything, it helps prove why Cyrus is wrong. Only autists take this children's game story so seriously.
>People start wars because they have a desire for something like power, money or land
Yeah you're right, that lion that hunted and killed that antelope did it out of emotion and not because of basic logical brain function
Animals act on survival instinct unlike humans who have higer emotional intelligence. You're not trying to say you have the intelligence of a chimp, are you?
>unlike humans
Have you ever talked to people outside of your bubble? My god man humans are literally just smarter animals, chill out and think.
thinking is dangerous, just look at this thread
>humans are literally just smarter animals
Yeah, they are.
Also
>animals aren’t capable of sin
Now that’s just moronic. For fricks sake dolphins rape and kill for fun. Killer whales torture their food by flinging them into the air.
>For fricks sake dolphins rape and kill for fun.
And they're said to be one of the smartest animals besides us humans. Funny how that works.
Are you implying that thinking and intelligence are inherently evil/flawed?
Bro the entire point of humanity is to overcome these base desires, whether that be through logic or emotions.
it indeed is
>thinking and intelligence are inherently evil/flawed?
No, but they are connected.
If we weren't intelligent enough to know what is morally evil, we wouldn't have any standards that would make us "evil". There'd be no need to "overcome these base desires" in the first place.
>smart people are all good
You know most serial killers are intelligent right? Intelligence isn’t a factor when deciding if someone’s a good person or not.
almost as if morality is a concept created to keep lesser beings in line
>morality is a basic concept to keep others in line
Holy shit man do you think your abhorrent actions won’t negatively effect the next generation of humans for the worse.
Should we all eat McDonald’s 3 times a day because it feels good? Using “intellect” to justify your hedonism will never lead to a functioning society
>Should we all eat McDonald’s 3 times a day because it feels good?
I'd consider that less hedonism and more natural selection
Hedonism can only survive by taking from others, since most are allowed to labor/work
glad to see that we are in understanding of the nature of a functioning society then
Bound to happen sooner or later
>Lysandre thinks humanity already peaked
Does team flare not understand how time functions?
>Animals act on survival instinct while* humans who have higer emotional intelligence.
>Animals act on survival instinct
Taking over land to get resources is a survival instinct.
Animals are also not capable of sin moron. Why are Cyrus haters so subhuman? Can't even understand a children's game.
Wars are completely logical, if anything emotions help prevent them.
>his motivation makes no fricking sense
they dont need to make sense hes crazy
>They just wrote vague nonsense as an excuse for the thing on the box of the game to show up.
honestly you can say that for Gen 4 as a whole
they just wrote vague nonsense as an excuse for new Pokémon to show up
>honestly you can say that for Pokemon as a whole
Fixed
wrong
The whole point is that the villain is usually a dumbass hypocrite.
Cyrus is intrigued by willpower but despises conviction and emotion because it drives people to do moronic things, so he's using his own conviction and emotion to drive himself to do a moronic thing (remake the universe in his image) to fix that.
Lysandre despises the rich for not using their influence and power responsibly to let the world, people and Pokemon prosper, so he's deemed that if humanity at its greatest influential points can't do anything good, he needs to either commit human genocide or plunge the world in stasis so the world's innate beauties can be restored/preserved, but he's also only letting those very same rich bastards be the only ones that can survive his holocaust because Team Flare has an entry fee and various tiers of importance based on how rich and influential you are.
>unfricking an entire species is a moronic thing to do
It's moronic in Pokemon's case because everything is exactly as per Arceus' design or else it wouldn't have happened in the first place, therefore he's destined to fail.
well she can go shove her "grand design" up her ass, I will create a world where MAN shall reign SUPREME
>brainlets still don't understand Cyrus
It's a children's game for frick's sake.
>it's not poorly written, you just don't understand it!
ah the classic cope argument
>it's not poorly written, you just don't understand it!
Yeah, that's correct homosexual.
Giovanni, Cyrus, Lysandre. Nothing else matters.
moronic discord genwar bait thread #142536.
Gen 4 was truly the start of these games trying to be deep but coming off as pretentious
I don't understand how anyone could find this deep even on paper
Hoen's teams maybe
That was Gen 5 and it's only a problem in BW.
He really was just misunderstood, even in real life
i always found it funny that cyrus, a cold butthole, owns a crobat which is implied that he raised himself.
and he lets you release the lake legendaries for no fricking reason and it's literally why his plan ends up failing in DP. Unironically more clownish writing than gen 8.
He says in the story that he isn't unnecessarily cruel to his pokemon like his grunts.
>butthole
He is not an butthole, he is a dick. He believes to be doing the world a favor.
>i hate all of you...
>...'cept my crobat
he just like me fr
'ate emotion
'ate people
'ate the world
luv me Crobat
Simple as
That's kinda cute tbh
What a lad
>bad guy is evil because...he's evil
Yeah, I hate Lusamine too.
YWNBAD
what?
YOU
WILL
NEVER
BECOME
A
DEMIURGE
>Cyrus
>I want a new recreated world with no emotions because I am depraved and want Sex with Giratina
>Volo
>Giratina was trapped and sent to hell by Arceus, why shouldn't we let it get it's revenge? Frick this world and frick you, I WANT TO BE THE LORD AND CREATE MY OWN UNIVERSE
Giratina should’ve raped volo
It doesn't matter if you believe in his goals, what matters is whether you believe that Cyrus believes in his goals.
This applies to every villain. I would argue that Chairman Rose is the only villain who fails to convey this
best villain
Gen 6 & 8 are shit
>the world needs to be recreated because emotions are bad
Correct
>can’t understand someone’s motives
>”well clearly he wants to erase all emotion”
What’s up with this obsession on emotions being the greatest thing ever
Giovanni is the superior villain, men love him, women want to be him
Now that I think about it
This came out just a year after the Star Wars prequel trilogy ended, and those movies had a lot of "emotion is bad emotion leads to anger to hate blah blah bottle them up" talk in them. GF probably riffed Cyrus off that
I interpreted him as finding emotions and probably life in general extremely painful. He feels so bad he'd rather everyone feel nothing just to get rid of that feeling. I mean I guess I'm extrapolating, but I feel like he makes more sense to me than most Pokemon villains. Plus he ultimately gets a version of what he wants in his ending, where he's in a simpler world with Giratina where the complications of life won't bother him and everyone else gets to keep their feelings.