There is nothing wrong with Baby Pokemon
>cool rare mons to unlock for the dex
>an easy way to introduce the breeding concept to new players
>they're cute
It's time to end this moronic stigma around them. What's your favourite Babymon, /vp/?
Also Game Freak, if you see this post, please make more Babymons!
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Justify this pokemon's existence in 10 words or less.
Chingling is cute and based, and therefore deserves to exist.
>based
buzzword; post discarded
>soul
not 4 words, also a buzzword; post discarded
more than 10 words; post discarded
chingling gets permanently dexcut now
I have 4 words for YOU Buddy
soul
its called world building, you don't need to justify a Pokemons existence. how about you justify chimecho, it was a single stage psychic type Pokemon found in one area, it only learns 3 psychic moves one of which only does random damage, and the rest are sound based normal type moves and take down for some reason. you could cut chimecho out of the Pokedex and nothing would change we would just be down one Pokemon but it's existence adds to the world
and why cant you world build AND be useful?
Shit like Ditto I get and Magicarp to Gyarados I like. Give it some actual mechanical niche, and im fine. doesnt have to be competitive. X but smaller does little to nothing for me.
i tried a nuzlocke of platinum with sub-300bst mons and chingling swept lucian with substitute and charge beam thanks to decent luck, so itll always have a special place in my heart. i also cannot count to 4, so suck my dick
ITP: big number make pp hard, me need hard pp
Chimecho's BST is too high for early game.
Babys for strong single stage mons are cool.
Pikachu, Clefairy and Jigglypuff did not need baby forms and the fact that the games feel compelled to force some moronic 20 level grind up to max friendship just to elevate your mon from joke to baseline for a level 5 mon is fricking insane to me.
>Chimecho's BST is too high for early game
no it isn’t
You can get kadabra even earlier than you can get chingling and it’s far less of a shitmon than fricking chimecho is.
They decided to code it into the game. Cute enough
they'd be better if the games used them to give you access to types earlier, kind of like Budew in DPPt, but grass is already common.
Giving you Smoochum or Mime Jr. or something in early routes would be cool.
Although with the open approach you basically have access to all types now so it doesn't matter.
Why don't people like Babymons?
Simple, it's the same reason they don't like Fairymons, it's cute and endangers the fragile masculinity.
Favorite Official Babymon, Cleffa
Favorite Honorable Babymon, Tinkatink
I don't think it's fragile masculinity (lefty term) if their sole purpose was to bring girls to play the game, the reason guys don't like them is that they take up space when most newer gens already have a lack of good pokemon. The main reason is because they're useless beyond being pre-evolve stages.
>the reason guys don't like them is that they take up space
This isn't true. They're either in the dex or they aren't. It's not like their inclusion means 5 fully evolved Pseudo Legendaries had to be shelved. That's not how it works.
it actually does. the time and effort put into them would instead be put into another pseduo legendary, a totally new line, evolution line, or a normal potentially useful pokemon.
Oh okay then its because they're useless. But I don't think they hate it. Only a subhuman with cute aggression hates babymons.
I like using them sometimes to troll others but besides that I see why people tend to forget about them since they're not very useful at competitive play.
That is why contests should've stay in the game, that is what Baby dominated in.
But I'm right handed...
spiritually lefthanded (sinister).
Don't fret, you do realize that Little Cup exists right?
I've said it many times, but Pokémon Contests should be made into its own side series.
>that is what Baby dominated in.
No. In Pokémon Contests, all that matters is the movepool of a Pokémon except in ORAS, where it also matters if the Pokémon can Mega Evolve. Other than that, all Pokémon behave the same in contests. I'd really like it if Pokémon Contests were expanded upon. Imagine if Pokémon Contests were made as in-depth as Pokémon Battles and had a competitive scene. Imagine if Pokémon had Contest Base Stats. If that were the case, then I could see Baby Pokémon being incredibly OP in the Cute Category. Pic related, on their way to get banned from Cute Ubers!
Not all Pokémon are meant to be good at Pokémon Battles. We just need more stuff to do with our Pokémon besides battles.
What about also bringing back the Baby park as well?
Also, I love how Cleffa is completely still at the end.
>Lefty Term
What's that?
a term you use when you are left handed. what are you a moronic leftoid?
I don't like babymons because I find their inclusion the removal of a useful evolution to a more powerful state.
>Instead of getting a further evolution past raichu with even greater stats and viability, we get a shitmon beneath pikachu
For that reason I can't stand babymons. It's one thing for a babymon to come in the same generation as it's evolution, but crossgen babymons are absolutely brutal.
>please make more Babymons!
As long as they aren't crossgen pokemon. And about your question, Riolu.
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>fragile masc-
opinion already discarded
Why are you so fragile?
people don't like being called out
I think part of it is that friendship evolutions 'take longer', so these are pokemon that should evolve at like level 16-20 that might take longer if you're a moronic kid who's playing Gen 2 or 4 for the first time, and frustrate you that they're falling off in battle.
Tinkatink isn't a babymon? You can breed Tinkatink?
She's in the breedable babymon category like Ralts, Gothita, and Vullaby
Reminder we had a lot more babies (Paras, Goldeen, Growlithe, Vulpix, Ponyta, Doduo, Tangela, etc) but they were cut off
They cute. That's all I care about. And yes I'm male. I'm just not scared to reveal I like cute over some fragile masculinity
>Magby in D when it's the only babymon that isn't garbage to use
>usability
what about my comment implied I care about that?
>riolu good
Biggest mistake on that disaster of a chart.
Mantyke annoys me because they never let you get it earlier than Mantine.
gen 2 babymons bad
gen 4 babymons good
simple as
Kys
Simple as
Mime Jr, Bonsly, Smoochum, Tyrogue, and Igglybuff should definitely be deleted.
nope frick you, they should all stay.
Smoochum was pretty good in Gen 2.
>>an easy way to introduce the breeding concept to new players
wdym? if anything it would confuse new players
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>lets make a shitmon even weaker
most of these mons dont need to exist and make there lines worse since they can no longer evolve
raichu and wigglytuff would really use a evolution
riolu, togepi and munchlax are the only babymons that warrant there existence because they were added to strong mons
the rest are useless and can be deleted
yes blissey is strong but she should have stayed a 2 stage
>raichu and wigglytuff would really use a evolution
Raichu was never going to evolve, Gorochu was axed long before Pichu was ever conceived and even if pichu weren't a thing they wouldn't evolve Raichu because the evolution would risk overshadowing Pikachu.
There's a better argument for Wigglytuff, especailly since Igglybuff is worthless but even if Igglybuff didn't exist Wigglytuff likely wouldn't evolve unless Clefable did, and Clefable is already good. All Wigglytuff really needs is a stat boost to match Clefable's and a better ability.
Also Blissey evolution further would be stupid so Happiny is harmless. even if Happiny was introduced in a really stupid away.
This image is missing Vullaby, Toxel, & Capsakid
They're not considered baby pokemon categorically even if thematically they are babies.
ackshually, toxel is considered a baby pokemon
Huh, it is. Didn't know that.
Must be sad people can only like Pokemon based on the numbers they see
No one will dare call Cleffa shit in Kirby's face unless they want to wake up in the hospital. Oh, wait hospitals don't exist for Humans, I guess they just die...
I'd rather have baby pokemon than 'regional evolutions', 'regional variants', 'ecologically similar' pokemon, or 'paradox pokemon'. If you delete the later two entirely and turn the first into UNIVERSAL evolutions (eg Sirfetchd being exclusive to a fricking regional variant of Farfetchd is just shitting on the original pokemon for no good reason) you can have your baby pokemon back. Regional variants can stay as long as GF doesn't get tempted to give them a new dex number again.
They're ok, but only if I get to catch them before their normal form
It's aggravating to only be able to get them through breeding, especially if their baby form doesn't have all the cool egg moves, like how Marill can learn Belly Drum but Azurill can't
That's just cancer.
They were the gen 2 gimmick, nothing more. Like all gf's gimmicks they were bs. Technically isn't every first form in an evolution a baby then?
They're just 'first form of a pokemon that didn't have one before and evolve with friendship'. They don't NEED to exist but if they're added same-gen they don't detract from the pokemon at all since they're functionally indistinguishable from a normal prevo. Cross-gen it's more murky, but they don't take away anything if they're added to one-stage pokemon, or two-stage pokemon that are good, especially if they help the pokemon make more sense (eg. Snorlax is way too big to be born like that.) The only time a baby pokemon is an outright detriment is when they're added to a two-stage pokemon that sucks, since they prevent a third evolution that might fix it (already mentioned Wigglytuff and Raichu complaints.)
Idea was great. But they should have get more unique and very strong baby moves.
I once suggested "Baby tears" that harsly drop BOTH sp def and def of single target
I think the better idea would be for baby pokemon to all inherit fantastic egg moves, which makes you really want to raise a pokemon with a baby.
Is Pichu the only baby Pokemon with a unique move? Not that any baby moves would matter once they evolve. It'd just be another step to obtain the moveset you want
The only way that would be helpful would be if the move got deleted once they evolved. If the evolved form can learn the move that would just make the baby an obstacle between getting the move on the pokemon people actaully like.
The point is you need to have a baby to have the special move. Its special graditude.
Its not. TOXTRICITY would be basic pokemon in tcg then.
is lucario a basic pokemon? didn't think so. frickin tcggays
The problem with baby pokemon is the same problem with a lot of pokemon that "aren't meant to be good"
There just isn't content for them in the games. There used to be contests or pokeathalons and such so pokemon like Delcatty or Vespiquen could flourish without being tied to the battle part of pokemon
But now all there is is battling. There needs to be a side mode that is more about doing cute day to day things with pokemon or incentivizes using baby pokemon. Maybe a build your own daycare that gives better stats to bred pokemon the more you take care of baby pokemon or something. I dunno what you could do but there needs to be SOMETHING in pokemon games that aren't battling if you want to make pokemon like baby pokemon
Treat them like prevos instead of pokemon that are meant to stay that way. When you pick up a Togepi you're not supposed to be thinking "Wow this pokemon sucks it can't beat Lance" but "I'm gonna use this against Bugsy!"
That's the problem, babies weren't like prevos because unlike prevos you don't start with babies, you have to go out of your way to breed them for some reason. And even when they started appearing in the wild they're still often way too late to be worth anything.
Ironic you used Togepi because that's one of the few you get baby Pokemon Game Freak used correctly, you get it early enough that it can actually pull it's weight for a while and players can actually get attached to it. There's a reason why Togepi is the only baby people dont hate and every other is just a straw man as to why Gen 2 is the worse than hitler .
I agree, but that's not a problem conceptually with babies but with the implementation of the concept. They tied them too intimately with the breeding mechanic as far as obtainment goes and had shit pokemon placement (still a problem until Gens 8 and 9 more or less 'gave up' in regards to distribution.)
>still a problem until Gens 8 and 9 more or less 'gave up' in regards to distribution.)
the sad part is the distribution in general is better now than ever before, which should be a boon for baby pokemon since they are wild now, except EVERYTHING is easier to obtain now, so now they have to compete with 500 BST, 115 attack Pokemon already packing fairly strong STAB moves as soon as you get them (really Flamigo?)
true, Also I think I should have counted the Odd Egg babies (its RNG based and you can only get one so its a bandage solution) but the possibility of getting Magby, Elekid, and Smoochum (which are strong as starters base stages and are an opportunity to get an early Fire, Electric, Ice type pokemon) is pretty nice.
Also I think in Munlchlax, could count since in theory it is possible to get on early. As the fact that people WANT Munchlax (otherwise it being so rare wouldnt be considered a problem) means that Game Freak did something right. if only honey trees had a a bit less RNG or faster cooldowns.
I remember people liking Budew in DPP because by the time it started slacking it evolved
Aren't Magby and Elekid only early game mons in BW2?
And Crystal.
Toddlercon thread
Where
They are found in the wild now, and the breeding mechanics have gotten obscured
Also, for moron reasons they can't be playable in Unite and the TCG ignores them too
They are anticlimactic on the main series too. Hey look! A new pokemon! It evolves into old shit tho
I get they are cute but that's the end of it. Other mons can be cute and not be considered babies anyway
>the TCG ignores them too
Actually, they have slowly been making a return in TCG, they seem to be exclusively support benchers Basics cards now and is treated as their own unit and aren't needed to play their evolutions.
*Or are they active support, I'm still trying to figure out how their abilities work.
According to /vp/ if they're not important to the lore or viable in competitive then it's dex filler
vp is actually right for once, Lore is the only non competitive value a Pokemon can have, if it doesn't even have that it then it objectively is dex filler. And considering how even side games erase babies as
pointed out its clear TPC as a whole regrets baby Pokemon.