Reminder SquareSoft intentionally nuked the plot of FF8 because they couldn't kill any characters off after the backlash of Aerith's death. Takahashi also eliminated character development from all future Xeno games because of Shion Uzuki.
That was pre-development, they intentionally made a point not to kill off characters because of Aerith. They also wanted to make it significantly less dark than FF7
The frick? So they saw the most successful JRPG in human history and decided "nah, let's not do that again"? People being emotional over her death was a good thing for them. If they actually hated it they wouldn't have bought and universally praised the game.
>let's make it less dark than ff7 >so you'll start off as child soldiers at blackwater merc academy >well just go from there, itll be fine
that being said, ff7 had great story until it was revealed you were actually a loser and then some shit about your idol being a turbo homosexual and beating him up and using the chick from resident evil to blow up a meteor
If you play the end of Xenosaga 3 you'll understand, basically rather than making it like Evangelion he made a point to make everyone likeable instead of developed characters that are unlikeable
Good, Eva was fricking dog shit. 30 fricking years of whiny ass shithead Shinji and his crew of fricking losers was the biggest mistake in mecha anime ever.
>yeah just accept the non-avoidable death of the character you were playing as for 30 hours because some moronic troony writer wanted to make a statement
Reminder SquareSoft intentionally nuked the plot of FF8 because they couldn't kill any characters off after the backlash of Aerith's death. Takahashi also eliminated character development from all future Xeno games because of Shion Uzuki.
Good. See
>yeah just accept the non-avoidable death of the character you were playing as for 30 hours because some moronic troony writer wanted to make a statement
If player can prevent it, it's fine. If you can't, it's shit.
Autismos were more focused on how reach contradicted earlier lore than anything. But autismos weren't the main audience of halo by that point anyway so it's largely moot either way.
>Gamers are low IQ and literally shut down and throw an autismo hissy fit if the protagonist dies at the end of the game. >Halo Reach disproves this >Autismos couldn't stop writing fanfictions where Noble 6 survives. >T-t-t-they don't count because they weren't the target audience
Keep pushing that goalpost homosexual
Old Monk in Latria, yeah.
Technically you can play secretly as a villain in some Souls games. Some bad ending came out like a last minute twist, like DeS where you choose to stab Maiden in Black after King Allant or in DS3 where before the fire fades you attack the firekeeper.
Indeed. You are the anti-christ, your boss is satan, your home town was located in hell and your friends/family were demons. At the end of the story, you and everyone you love die to make the world a better place. It's quite beautiful.
You sort of can in a prequel. I say sort of because yes, you're still the protagonist of the the prequel, but if you're playing the antognist of the original series then you're at least playing an antognist technically.
Depends on the game and how they decide to end it.
Take Jack's game for example.
Jack's clearly the protagonist of the base game up until it's final boss where he then embraces his destiny to become the antagonist of the game. Then in the DLC, he begins to groom the WoL into taking him down, making his rival the protagonist of their story.
By DLC3 when you wrap up all Jack's prepping of WoL and Jack's own loose ends of his story, for the final battle of DLC 3, he finally truly commits to being the antagonist, as you're placed in the role of WoL, the new Protagonist of the story to finally put down the monster and antagonist of WoL's story.
Stranger of Paradise can very much get away with such a twist, by making it's DLC the direct sequel to the base game without the need of making an actual sequel where Jack's the bad guy in that.
No, you literally cannot play as an antagonist. By definition the main character of any work is the protagonist. You can be a villanous protagonist. You cannot be an antagonist.
>protagonist is a real-life historical figure going into an anime dream world >irl he's lying on his death bed and the whole dream world is the result of his fevered brain going haywire >the entire dream world is stuck in a time loop because he refuses to accept the reality of the situation >final boss is the the rest of the party fighting the protagonist so that he can finally rest in piece >post-credits scene is an unrelated story about a snail and a caterpillar
This is the most moronic post I have seen. You have never played the games and know nearly 0 about them. You heard on reddit that you play as the antagonist of MG in MGS 3 and you decided to dementia this shit out of your ass.
Go away. Better yet, have a nice day.
If you play as him then he's not the antagonist. A villain maybe, but the character whose perspective the story follows is the protagonist by definition.
another idiotic semantic distinction people not interested in thinking can ever understand.
The WORD protagonist means active subject of a scene or story, the antagonist opposes the protagonist. It is not a moral or ethical distinction.
People think the term means 'hero' and conflate that with modern conceptions of heroes. In the past, a 'hero' was a highly skilled and often half-divine or blessed individual that nearly ALWAYS failed in hubristic folly. They didn't have moronic 'all-good' impossible ideal humans that always do the right thing (because the writer makes it easy for them or impossible to do otherwise) generally as an allusion to fricking Jesus (Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker, the endless pop culture trash westerners have been slurping up since before World War fricking One).
The 'flawed hero' that became popular with Sopranos and Breaking Bad is due to this idiotic imbalance in storytelling. Even overworked and culturally engineered to never think audiences are tired of the 'perfect ideal hero' that has been stuffed down their maw for more than a hundred years and getting worse due to recent unquestioned media monopolies.
By definition you can't have a story from the 'antagonist' point of view outside of telling the story again -- The Last of Us 2 is the only thing that comes to mind and that alone should tell you how dumb the idea is.
Eternal Sonata. It's worth playing if only for how batshit insane the story gets. The gameplay and visuals are pretty good too, and it's fairly short by JRPG standards, even if you do the endgame secret dungeon
ac3 intro is so fricking kino
Spec Ops: The Line
Only in 1 (one) ending.
Braid?
You don't get killed. Just cucked.
You don't know what antagonist means.
the antag is always the person the protag is in opposition, whether he's the good guy or the bad guy of the story.
wrong.
right
Heavy Rain
Well shit, you're not wrong.
Isn't that Jack's game?
Yeah, that's essentially the plot that the DLC hinges on.
Final Fantasy Tactics.
Live a Live
I always wanted this game to exist, then I played Live-A-Live and confirmed it was an amazing premise.
Gamers are low IQ and literally shut down and throw an autismo hissy fit if the protagonist dies at the end of the game. That's the biggest roadblock.
Reminder SquareSoft intentionally nuked the plot of FF8 because they couldn't kill any characters off after the backlash of Aerith's death. Takahashi also eliminated character development from all future Xeno games because of Shion Uzuki.
what was ff8's plot supposed to be?
That was pre-development, they intentionally made a point not to kill off characters because of Aerith. They also wanted to make it significantly less dark than FF7
The frick? So they saw the most successful JRPG in human history and decided "nah, let's not do that again"? People being emotional over her death was a good thing for them. If they actually hated it they wouldn't have bought and universally praised the game.
>let's make it less dark than ff7
>so you'll start off as child soldiers at blackwater merc academy
>well just go from there, itll be fine
that being said, ff7 had great story until it was revealed you were actually a loser and then some shit about your idol being a turbo homosexual and beating him up and using the chick from resident evil to blow up a meteor
>it was revealed you were actually a loser
That's literally the only part of FF7 where the story is good though
Read that in Carl's voice. Wish 15.ai wasn't dead, would have autistically typed this in and posted a vocaroo.
>Takahashi also eliminated character development from all future Xeno games because of Shion Uzuki.
QRD? what happened
If you play the end of Xenosaga 3 you'll understand, basically rather than making it like Evangelion he made a point to make everyone likeable instead of developed characters that are unlikeable
Good, Eva was fricking dog shit. 30 fricking years of whiny ass shithead Shinji and his crew of fricking losers was the biggest mistake in mecha anime ever.
it's alot harder to justify having an unlikable protagonist in a video game. especially when it's a xeno length game
>yeah just accept the non-avoidable death of the character you were playing as for 30 hours because some moronic troony writer wanted to make a statement
>t. low iq subhuman
Basically everyone who plays Lufia 2 loves it
So I think you're not on to anything with that one.
People love both RDR games that do this so you're clearly wrong.
Good. See
If player can prevent it, it's fine. If you can't, it's shit.
RDR disproves this, Halo Reach disproves this, Dragon Age: Origins disproves this.
>Halo Reach
Autismos couldn't stop writing fanfictions where Noble 6 survives.
Autismos were more focused on how reach contradicted earlier lore than anything. But autismos weren't the main audience of halo by that point anyway so it's largely moot either way.
>Gamers are low IQ and literally shut down and throw an autismo hissy fit if the protagonist dies at the end of the game.
>Halo Reach disproves this
>Autismos couldn't stop writing fanfictions where Noble 6 survives.
>T-t-t-they don't count because they weren't the target audience
Keep pushing that goalpost homosexual
the majority of people playing halo were normalgay dudebros, a handful of autists is irrelevant.
OFF is kind of like that.
embarrassing
you mean villain
there was that kickass boss fight in demon souls where an invader becomes the level boss who you fight. Was it latria? idk it's been awhile.
Old Monk in Latria, yeah.
Technically you can play secretly as a villain in some Souls games. Some bad ending came out like a last minute twist, like DeS where you choose to stab Maiden in Black after King Allant or in DS3 where before the fire fades you attack the firekeeper.
final fantasy stranger of paradise?
Dragon's Dogma.
Its litterally the plot of Stangers of Paradise.
heir of the Demon Lord fighting a civil war after the former Lord has died during the battlefield
>get bombarded by examples
>they're all shit games
>What is 2+2?
>And don't give me 4. I want real answers
Stranger of Paradise is good.
That's a really fricking gay idea.
While not entirely accurate, Overlord comes pretty close imho, but I don't wanna spoil the twists.
>Blasphemous
>protagonist is called "Penitent One"
>Blasphemous 2
>protagonist is also called "Penitent One"
Shouldn't it be "Penitent Two"?
Furi, but instead of getting killed by the hero you kill all the heroes before becoming a hero yourself
based furychads
one of the best gayms of all time
Shadow of the Colossus
That's not what the word antagonist means
Infamous but boy did the ending fricking suck.
Terranigma did just that and took it a step further. You fuse with the hero since you were his evil doppelganger and help him kill the real villain.
Indeed. You are the anti-christ, your boss is satan, your home town was located in hell and your friends/family were demons. At the end of the story, you and everyone you love die to make the world a better place. It's quite beautiful.
>HAHA LE TWIST IS KINOOOOOO
Frick off
>You scretely play as the main antagonist of the story
Furi
>and get killed in the end by the hero
Eh, if you're bad?
you cannot play as an antagonist
You sort of can in a prequel. I say sort of because yes, you're still the protagonist of the the prequel, but if you're playing the antognist of the original series then you're at least playing an antognist technically.
Depends on the game and how they decide to end it.
Take Jack's game for example.
Jack's clearly the protagonist of the base game up until it's final boss where he then embraces his destiny to become the antagonist of the game. Then in the DLC, he begins to groom the WoL into taking him down, making his rival the protagonist of their story.
By DLC3 when you wrap up all Jack's prepping of WoL and Jack's own loose ends of his story, for the final battle of DLC 3, he finally truly commits to being the antagonist, as you're placed in the role of WoL, the new Protagonist of the story to finally put down the monster and antagonist of WoL's story.
Stranger of Paradise can very much get away with such a twist, by making it's DLC the direct sequel to the base game without the need of making an actual sequel where Jack's the bad guy in that.
No, you literally cannot play as an antagonist. By definition the main character of any work is the protagonist. You can be a villanous protagonist. You cannot be an antagonist.
>What are non-singleplayer games
name 1 pvp story based multiplayer
Eve Online
Within the context of your own game, you are still the protagonist.
Do you not recognize others as real? Are you a psychopath?
>The antagonist is you from the future
>protagonist is a real-life historical figure going into an anime dream world
>irl he's lying on his death bed and the whole dream world is the result of his fevered brain going haywire
>the entire dream world is stuck in a time loop because he refuses to accept the reality of the situation
>final boss is the the rest of the party fighting the protagonist so that he can finally rest in piece
>post-credits scene is an unrelated story about a snail and a caterpillar
Demons Roots.
Velvet Crowe
Bowser's Inside Story but without the secretly part.
Didn't metal gear solid 4 do this?
Not even slightly
not 4 but V did
This is the most moronic post I have seen. You have never played the games and know nearly 0 about them. You heard on reddit that you play as the antagonist of MG in MGS 3 and you decided to dementia this shit out of your ass.
Go away. Better yet, have a nice day.
Soul Nomad NG route, if you go for that ending/suck at the game, though I guess there's no one hero...
The AoT game if the rest of the series is taken into account.
isnt that the plot of one of those wizardry games? IIRC the MC is a badguy being hunted by hero parties
Yeah in Wizardry IV you play as the main villain of Wizardry I escaping and you kill group of adventures
It's not a secret in that game
The game title tells you want's happening before you even start
Basically NieR Automata and NieR Replicant without being killed by the true hero
Bioshock infinite
Heavy Rain had you play the real murderer as one character fooling you he is just looking for clues of what had happened.
I don't remember the specifics, but that was the big twist in Baten Kaitos. Though come on, we should have seen it coming.
If you play as him then he's not the antagonist. A villain maybe, but the character whose perspective the story follows is the protagonist by definition.
another idiotic semantic distinction people not interested in thinking can ever understand.
The WORD protagonist means active subject of a scene or story, the antagonist opposes the protagonist. It is not a moral or ethical distinction.
People think the term means 'hero' and conflate that with modern conceptions of heroes. In the past, a 'hero' was a highly skilled and often half-divine or blessed individual that nearly ALWAYS failed in hubristic folly. They didn't have moronic 'all-good' impossible ideal humans that always do the right thing (because the writer makes it easy for them or impossible to do otherwise) generally as an allusion to fricking Jesus (Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker, the endless pop culture trash westerners have been slurping up since before World War fricking One).
The 'flawed hero' that became popular with Sopranos and Breaking Bad is due to this idiotic imbalance in storytelling. Even overworked and culturally engineered to never think audiences are tired of the 'perfect ideal hero' that has been stuffed down their maw for more than a hundred years and getting worse due to recent unquestioned media monopolies.
By definition you can't have a story from the 'antagonist' point of view outside of telling the story again -- The Last of Us 2 is the only thing that comes to mind and that alone should tell you how dumb the idea is.
>'all-good' impossible ideal humans that always do the right thing
>fricking Jesus
>Luke Skywalker
You've never seen the OG trilogy, have you?
sorry chud, luke skywalker patheticaly died in a cave. and the force is female.
>luke skywalker patheticaly died in a cave. and the force is female.
Sorry, your fanfic doesn't count.
Someone never watched Empire Strikes Back.
What's that right where you play as a guy in a fever dream? Chopin or something?
ye. radiant something something
Eternal Sonata. It's worth playing if only for how batshit insane the story gets. The gameplay and visuals are pretty good too, and it's fairly short by JRPG standards, even if you do the endgame secret dungeon
I enjoyed it.
shadow of the colossus
Took way too long for someone to mention
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days
infamous 1
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