>slugma: not even available until postgame in GSC >skarmory: rare and only available on like the second to last route in GSC >both: common on one of the most memorable routes in RSE
it's a conclusion you would only come to if you had played the games
i really thought it was like 10-15%, not exactly surprised it's just 5% though. one should also consider, however, that many (most?) kids spent a long time gathering ash and catching spinda on route 113, dramatically increasing the likelihood they ran into one.
Yes. They're literally in the Hoenn pokedex in every version of the game and have no reason to think that they're not native.
Still gen 2 though.
Meditite too.
I thought Smeagle was from Alola, like what do you mean Ilima uses old Pokemon '-'
also correct
my first game was scarlet and violet, where volcarona is way more prevalent than it was in gen 5. volcarona is a gen 9 pokemon
Volcarona basically has an entire area in Unova dedicated to it as well as being the ace of the Champion, is that also the case in Paldea?
For me Sycther isn't a Kanto-mon. It's only found in basically a zoo or a prize and in Johto it only appears in a contest (LGPiss isn't canon). However it's native to the Isle of Armor (which is it's own region), Alola, Paldea, and especially Kalos and Sinnoh. Mega Stone lore implies Scizor being around the AZ weapon 3000 years ago and the temple of Sinnoh having a Kleavor etched into it.
>Chimecho definitely doesn't. >If Magcargo is considered rare in Gen 2, then Chimecho definitely is in Gen 3
Magcargo isn't even remotely close to chimecho, even though it was rare in the game Chimecho was all over the gen 3 anime because James owned one.
Blaine uses Magcargo in Gen 2, an important trainer.
No one uses Chimecho in RS and in Emerald, no one notable does.
The anime is a bad example considering that they have shown previews for future Pokemon before such as Togepi or Munchlax. Some morons think that Togepi is Gen I and Munchlax is Gen III, so someone could easily think Chimecho was a preview for Gen IV, stupid, but true.
>The anime is a bad example considering that they have shown previews for future Pokemon before such as Togepi or Munchlax.
Not really the same thing since they usually make a big deal about it being non-native. Something that never happened with Chimecho.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Kecleon says otherwise, they never specifically mention it not being from Johto.
There's also Donphan, Ledyba, Wynaut, etc,
7 months ago
Anonymous
>they never specifically mention it not being from Johto.
However they do make note of it being uncommon. >Donphan,
In both the sub and dub it wasn't even a voiced scene. >Ledyba,
Which appears in rescue adventure. A short without humans.
Also it was originally aired before the second movie and by then everyone knew about the new pokemon games. >Wynaut,
Same deal as Kecleon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
uncommon =/= unavailable
Scyther and Electabuzz were specifically mentioned as being rare in the Kaz vs. Yas Gym episode, guess they must've been previews for Gen 2 all along
i honestly thought munchlax was a gen 1 pokémon and i had just never seen it before when it showed up in the anime, i didn't find out it was gen 4 until i got the national dex in DP
>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon >i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon >i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon >i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played >i proudly log onto /vp/ and make a thread about my opinion like it matters
You have to fight a Magcargo in order to complete GSC. No shit you wouldn't know a lot about a game you haven't played, I don't understand this meme
Are you people insanely autistic? Obviously those Pokémon appear in gen 2 in some form, but their impact is minimal, and their impact is in subsequent gens is bigger. That's the point.
>their impact is minimal, and their impact is in subsequent gens is bigger
this isn't true, though. their impact in subsequent gens is only bigger from your perspective. you're conflating your subjective experience as a shitty fan with a 5 second memory with some idea of a universal objective experience. it's self-evidently moronic; you're moronic
There isn't a single trainer in gen 2 who uses Slugma in their initial fight. You need to go out of your way to see it in the postgame, they don't appear in any routes in Johto. Magcargo appears a few times in Kanto trainers, but by that point you're likely so overleveled that it has no impact at all.
Meanwhile in Hoenn, it's a wild encounter on the mandatory path, is used by several regular trainers and a main game gym leader. She even has two of them in R/S. It's not objective but it's hardly a huge stretch of logic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon >i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon >i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon >i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played >i proudly log onto /vp/ and make a thread about my opinion like it matters
7 months ago
Anonymous
>repeating yourself
7 months ago
Anonymous
magcargo is literally used by a gym leader, you're just telling on yourself as a hoennbab
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, like I said, Magcargo is used by some postgame trainers, one of which is Blaine.
>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon >i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon >i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon >i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played >i proudly log onto /vp/ and make a thread about my opinion like it matters
Literally not refuting a single point I made. Obviously Slugma existed in gen 2 but its impact was minimal. You think people were lining up for Slugma merch back then? Don't be delusional.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Literally not refuting a single point I made.
And you didn't refute a single point I made. You're making an irrelevant tangent. Slugma cards were in four English gen 2 sets: Neo Relevation, Neo Destiny, and Skyridge (2 different Slugma cards). Neo Destiny was probably the most popular Gen 2 set aside from the first one.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not trying to refute it, I fully believe Slugma wasn't as shafted in the TCG as it was in the games. It just doesn't really matter. Many people still associate it more with Hoenn than with Johto because the games are the generation-definining piece of media.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Slugma wasn't "shafted" in the games at all; the games took full advantage of being part of a multi-pillar franchise that had a popular tcg and anime at the same time. Other components of the franchise helped nudge you towards filling in those empty Pokédex slots. It really does matter, because the people who "associate it more with Hoenn than Johto" are enthusiastically defining themselves as zoomers and/or plebs and their opinions can be immediately disregarded as fricking moronic
7 months ago
Anonymous
What a weird thing to feel so strongly about. You think Game Freak really went "let's hide this absolute shitmon in the postgame only, so that when people see it in the anime, they'll ask their friends where they can get this guy"? I feel like that's already putting more thought into it than Game Freak did.
7 months ago
Anonymous
aaaand why wouldn't they do that? It was common for video games of that era to hide secrets like that, usually with the idea of something that would be revealed either by social interactions and/or a game guide, etc. For a game like Pokémon which has a deliberate social component – like, for example, having two different versions of the game in the first place – this would be exactly the sort of thing to hide away. Again, the fact you don't understand all this was already given away by the fact you, with great zeal, stand by this personal assertion that a Pokémon is more associated with one generation than another because you're bad at playing the games.
>What a weird thing to feel so strongly about.
pretentious zoomer babble is coming out now that you can sense it's obvious you've given yourself away. your flawed logic is exactly why nu-gamefreak had to pivot towards less difficult dungeons, handing you legendaries, etc. because otherwise fans like yourself would've felt that ridiculous statements like "actually Arceus is a Unova-mon as far as I'm concerned" was a perfectly reasonable statement because certain in-game events or interactions would've required some level of going off the beaten path to find the pokemon and you clearly interpret anything other than handholding and railroad gameplay as "bad game design"
7 months ago
Anonymous
How is Slugma at all comparable to Arceus? Slugma is not a cool postgame secret. Slugma is an absolute shitmon that's not useful for anything. It's also not particularly hard to find or "off the beaten path", it appears on 3 routes, you will probably run into it while you're going through Kanto, but it will not make any impression on you, because the game is essentially over at that point. You might catch it, and maybe level it up if you're trying to complete your Pokédex, but you're not using it. Don't lie to me and say that you seriously used a Slugma in a gen 2 game. It's also not gonna make an impact on you when Blaine, probably 10 levels lower than your team, sends out a slow Pokémon with easily exploitable weaknesses, that dies in one hit.
Slugma in gen 2 is simply not memorable, because it only appears in a part of the game where your main thought is "woah, Kanto, so cool to see how things have changed!", your team is already locked in, and the trainers aren't remotely challenging you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Slugma is not a cool postgame secret. Slugma is an absolute shitmon that's not useful for anything.
basically, zoomers want to have it both ways. according to them, GSC is bad game design because larvitar is locked to the end of the game. not good, not fair, it's a good pokemon, it should be available earlier. so what if a relatively inconsequential pokemon is locked closer to the end of the game? not good, not fair, you've shafted an irrelevant pokemon.
so how can game freak respond? exactly the way it has. each area of the game, right from the start, is now stuffed to the brim with an inane amount of different pokemon species, so that each area is completely indistinct in identity, and the game becomes trivially easy to beat because you have a litany of options right from the get-go. >It's also not particularly hard to find or "off the beaten path", it appears on 3 routes
so why didn't you find it? >Don't lie to me and say that you seriously used a Slugma in a gen 2 game.
i absolutely have and again, it's really telling that you are somehow bad at playing a pokemon game and on top of this have the audacity to suggest your own playthrough forms the universal shared experience. you are literally cognitively deficient because you seem to struggle with the idea people might be smarter than you, not even that, you seem to struggle with the idea that, regardless of intelligence, people might play and experience things differently from you
you are, very literally, moronic. you are repeatedly making statements which betray the fact you have a double digit IQ and seem to have no self-awareness to this end
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say, but I'm glad you won the argument against the strawman you made up. I haven't mentioned good or bad game design a single time.
If you truly decided that, 12~ badges into the game, you wanted to put Slugma on your team and made it an important part of the playthrough, then good for you, I'm sure there are people who have done that. But you must be aware that that is a small, small minority, and for anyone who didn't do that, Slugma was basically irrelevant for the entire game.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>n-no i didnt say that!! you're strawmanning!!!
i accept your concession
7 months ago
Anonymous
what if i think larvitar is good design (powerhouse mon reserved for the end of johto) but think slugma is bad design (low stats & two quad weaknesses on evolving appears too late for it to have any use)
im okay with some mons being locked to kanto since it adds new things to find even when you go through the previous gen's region but imo the ones chosen were too weak to be postgame mons
if they were more around like tauros strength or something i'd be fine with it
7 months ago
Anonymous
>You might catch it, and maybe level it up if you're trying to complete your Pokédex, but you're not using it.
I used one for Gen 2. Not on the initial run, of course.
See, you could trade with friends, in this game that had this new feature that allows you to breed low level Pokemon. So can you guess what I did when I got Crystal?
Yeah, that.
As for why I did that? I saw Magcargo on Blaine's team, and it was a Pokemon I never saw before, and it couldn't be found anywhere according to the map. Since you can't find Slugma on trainers, I had noo idea where to find it.
And eventually I did find it, as I scoured over every area at various times of the day, slowly filling the Dex.
To this day, it's easily my favorite Gen 2 mon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Soulful.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Many people still associate it more with Hoenn
No, just you
7 months ago
Anonymous
No one gives a shit about the TCG
7 months ago
Anonymous
i cant even be bothered to type unique responses anymore
you are literally cognitively deficient because you seem to struggle with the idea people might be smarter than you, not even that, you seem to struggle with the idea that, regardless of intelligence, people might play and experience things differently from you
you are, very literally, moronic. you are repeatedly making statements which betray the fact you have a double digit IQ and seem to have no self-awareness to this end
>their impact is minimal, and their impact is in subsequent gens is bigger. >Appears in 3 routes in gen 2 but apears in one route in gen 3
Granted its end game in the former but still such a big zoomer cope.
>>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
Many people didn't see those episodes, I don't know what to tell you, anon. >>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
Many people don't care about the fricking cards, anon. >i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon
some of us didn't even get that merch to begin with >i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played
Some of us lead busier lives than you. Shocker, I know. >i proudly log onto /vp/ and make a thread about my opinion like it matters
Who are you quoting?
>okay, virgin. I don't even like pokemon! >takes an unlabeled anime screenshot to use as a reaction image on a pokemon board
>>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
There's like one episode each and a lot of people dropped the anime at the time. >>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
Skarmory had 4 cards, all rare. It's first common was in skyridge after RS came out.
Slugma had two commons in Neo destiny and Neo revelation.
Magcargo had one in Neo Revelation. >>i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon
Merch of these pokemon basically didn't exist at the time. >>i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played
It's not about remembering. Like everyone always says, the trainers rarely use the new pokemon.
Those gen 2 anime episodes barely feature gen 2 pokemon, even Kecleon is more memorable for appearing in the middle of that anime season. Surprised they didn't create Mew truck rumors for that.
>>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
I was a very small child and just saw whatever episodes were currently airing on tv >>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
Most of my cards were hand-me-downs and I only had a slugma, not a magcargo
I know which gen every pokemon debuted but there's a few things here and there that I associate with wrong games. I thought Waterfall was gen 2, choice band gen 3, and hidden abilities in gen 4
I think most of these zoom zoom confusion memes are moronic, but I've got one myself. Maybe it's just because I don't give enough of a shit about Pokemon anymore, but this homosexual feels like a Gen VII mon to me. Might just be because it's slow as shit and it's a weird sea animal that would fit in with Toxipex and Pyukumuku.
>remove hold items >remove breeding >remove the special split >remove berries >remove skarymory, espeon, umbreon, tyranitar,scizor
have a nice day.
The only Gen that could totally be removed is 5. That fricking dogshit did nothing but add Black folk and James Turner.
You NEED a female Geodude/Machop to cheese Whitney. But with Clay you have plenty of options to make the battle a piece of cake, I just said Ducklett because it's funny (it's obviously better to use Swanna instead).
She is crybaby but not a sore loser. She gives you the badge after she stops crying, which almost immediately. Meanwhile, you have to endure cutscenes with WORDS WORDS WORDS before and after every Gym in BW.
>espeon, umbreon, tyranitar,scizor >nobody even thinks of these as being from Johto
True, they associate Espeon and Umbreon with RSE despite Eevee being unobtainable, Tyranitar with some random ass Sevii Island route, and Scizor with uhhhhhh
Espeon and Umbreon are by far most associated with Colosseum, most other Johto pokemon are associated with Colosseum or XD
The actual Johto games are extremely forgettable trash
I could've also listed Scizor and Tyranitar yes, guess I forgot.
Also, Heracross is absolutely Gen 2, no ifs or butts
7 months ago
Anonymous
It was prominent in the anime, but the fricker had Feebas syndrome in the game to where you could very well miss it while also not being on any teams. People associating it with Gen 3 isn't a stretch
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody uses it in gen 3 because nobody uses Safari Zone mons for some reason, it might as well be from Gen 4
Tyranitar >FRLG because Larvitar is a Sevii Islands encounter and the Champion rematch has one >Scizor
Platinum because of the dex and movepool expansion
Makes sense when you consider that Johto killed pokemania and the Hoenn era had to take the entire burden of the series upon itself to revive it with not only excellent mainline games but the best spinoffs in the series.
>It's an absolute fact that Johto killed pokemania, it was done before Crystal released
Yep, if you just ignore how trends operate and how other aspects of the franchise were gradually declining in popularity like the TCG, the anime, the consoles the games were on, the general merchandise, just the general word of mouth since everybody played the games to death. Crystal even cracking 6M despite the GBC being insignificant by 2002 is an indication that Pokemon despite losing momentum after being at the top of world, it was still extremely popular.
Now continue seething about how Nintendo's 6th generation was a fumble kek
>concessionconcessionconcession
Well, that was fricking easy to get out of you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Pokemania died on Johto’s watch. You can’t change that. Shitty filler anime, games with broken level curves and shit distribution and ghost town Kanto. You can’t change any of it. Cemented in the history of this series forever. No point denying it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He thinks that because crystal sold 6m pokemania was still going but at the end with it dying off completely in gen 3.
What he doesn't realise is that Crystal selling 6m is consistent with post pokemania numbers which only confirms that it died between GS and Crystal.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You called it. Johtrannies are legit delusional, the name truly fits
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Pokemania died on Johto’s watch
Shame for the American Pokemon fandom at the time, I guess >Shitty filler anime
Which had nothing to do with Johto, and speaking of the anime, start comparing the box office for the Gen 2 movies and Gen 3 movies.
I'm sure you'll be in for a surprise >games with broken BUZZWORD and shit BUZZWORD and Kanto
Did you have a stroke? >crystal sold 6m pokemania was still going >Pokemon despite *losing momentum* after being at the top of world, it was still extremely popular.
Hoennbros... our reading comprehension?
7 months ago
Anonymous
The games were well received, but Pokemania was then gradually bled dry by things like the Johto filler, the movies after the third one getting screwed out of worldwide cinema releases, the TCG becoming way more expensive and switching to an ugly new format, and so on. Pokemania didn't die to backlash, but rather to hype dying out from poor management of the franchise. Gen 3, however, served as a nail in the coffin by infuriating even the hardcore fans holding out hope, thus serving as a nadir for the franchise until DP served as a new entry point for zoomers and older fans were brought back by the remakes of, you guessed it, GS.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Don't try to reason with her, the people who accuse Johto of killing pokemania are the same people who say shit like pic rel.
People wanted to have Pokémon like Tyranitar and Houndoom on their team before the game was over you doubleBlack person. >*checks notes*
go back homosexual
Plenty of Gen 2 Pokemon no one mistakes for any other generation.
These Pokemon are absolutely Gen 2: >Chikorita / Bayleef / Meganium >Cyndaquil / Quilava / Typhlosion >Totodile / Croconaw / Feraligatr >Sentret / Furret >Hoothoot / Noctowl >Ledyba / Ledian >Spinarak / Ariados >Pichu >Mareep / Flaaffy / Ampharos >Bellossom >Sudowoodo >Politoed >Hoppip / Skiploom / Jumpluff >Sunkern / Sunflora >Wooper / Quagsire >Espeon / Umbreon (you're wrong here anon) >Slowking >Unown >Wobbuffet >Pineco / Forretress >Steelix >Snubbull / Granbull >Qwilfish >Shuckle >Heracross >Teddiursa / Ursaring >Swinub / Piloswine >Delibird >Houndour / Houndoom >Kingdra >Phanpy / Donphan >Stantler >Tyrogue / Hitmontop >Smoochum >Elekid >Miltank >Raikou >Entei >Suicune >Lugia >Ho-Oh >Celebi
animegays who didn't play the games don't count
Of all Gen 2 mons, Sudowoodo can absolutely not be mistaken for another generation considering that an encounter with one is mandatory in GSC.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if some moron thought that Snorlax was from Gen 4 or some shit.
>most people into Pokemon didn't play GSC when it first came out
So? Just by playing it once you will forever know Sudowoodo is from Gen 2. Or by watching the iconic anime episode about them. Or by seeing people talk about the obligatory encounter in the Johto games.
You are way too ignorant to be giving opinions on this subject.
7 months ago
Anonymous
But it's not a special or memorable encounter lol, just forced. Like I said, unless you played GSC first, you would think he's from Hoenn
I saw an obvious clickbait video with this moronic subject with a thumbnail saying Meditite was from gen 4 and I had to hold myself back from clicking on it to see just how moronic they were.
This isn't new for them. Only they will act so defensively about every single bad decision gen 2 made, then jump through every hoop to justify them. You don't look passionate, you look severely autistic. At least every other gengay can accept their games' faults.
To me Heracross is a Gen dead Pokemon that needs its arms snapped backwards, tied to a pole, and have its innards pecked out by large and hungry Bird type Pokemon.
ok
>today I will go to the pokemon board and make a thread about how I don't play pokemon
>slugma: not even available until postgame in GSC
>skarmory: rare and only available on like the second to last route in GSC
>both: common on one of the most memorable routes in RSE
it's a conclusion you would only come to if you had played the games
Skarmory is 5% on Route 113. Not exactly common
i really thought it was like 10-15%, not exactly surprised it's just 5% though. one should also consider, however, that many (most?) kids spent a long time gathering ash and catching spinda on route 113, dramatically increasing the likelihood they ran into one.
>slugma: not even available until postgame in GSC
so larvitar is associated with gen 3?
tyranitar was way too popular to miss back in gen 2, slugma didn't really have that luxury 🙁
Nobody uses one in Gen 2
wasn't larvitar featured in one of the movies
this but with chimecho and roselia as sinnohmons
Meditite too.
>Meditite
>Sinnoh
Why? They use that moronic fricker in 4 different Hoenn gyms. It’s one of the most common fillermons in RSE concerning enemy teams.
Not catchable in Emerald
It's ugly enough to be gen 4
>It's ugly enough to be gen 3
No shit?
>sinnohfetus can't read
Too busy fricking dogs to get an education, sad
Yes. They're literally in the Hoenn pokedex in every version of the game and have no reason to think that they're not native.
Still gen 2 though.
also correct
Volcarona basically has an entire area in Unova dedicated to it as well as being the ace of the Champion, is that also the case in Paldea?
For me Sycther isn't a Kanto-mon. It's only found in basically a zoo or a prize and in Johto it only appears in a contest (LGPiss isn't canon). However it's native to the Isle of Armor (which is it's own region), Alola, Paldea, and especially Kalos and Sinnoh. Mega Stone lore implies Scizor being around the AZ weapon 3000 years ago and the temple of Sinnoh having a Kleavor etched into it.
Nah, these are moronic, they show up all the time in gen 3.
Chimecho definitely doesn't.
If Magcargo is considered rare in Gen 2, then Chimecho definitely is in Gen 3
>Chimecho definitely doesn't.
>If Magcargo is considered rare in Gen 2, then Chimecho definitely is in Gen 3
Magcargo isn't even remotely close to chimecho, even though it was rare in the game Chimecho was all over the gen 3 anime because James owned one.
Blaine uses Magcargo in Gen 2, an important trainer.
No one uses Chimecho in RS and in Emerald, no one notable does.
The anime is a bad example considering that they have shown previews for future Pokemon before such as Togepi or Munchlax. Some morons think that Togepi is Gen I and Munchlax is Gen III, so someone could easily think Chimecho was a preview for Gen IV, stupid, but true.
>Munchlax is Gen III
It is.
>The anime is a bad example considering that they have shown previews for future Pokemon before such as Togepi or Munchlax.
Not really the same thing since they usually make a big deal about it being non-native. Something that never happened with Chimecho.
Kecleon says otherwise, they never specifically mention it not being from Johto.
There's also Donphan, Ledyba, Wynaut, etc,
>they never specifically mention it not being from Johto.
However they do make note of it being uncommon.
>Donphan,
In both the sub and dub it wasn't even a voiced scene.
>Ledyba,
Which appears in rescue adventure. A short without humans.
Also it was originally aired before the second movie and by then everyone knew about the new pokemon games.
>Wynaut,
Same deal as Kecleon.
uncommon =/= unavailable
Scyther and Electabuzz were specifically mentioned as being rare in the Kaz vs. Yas Gym episode, guess they must've been previews for Gen 2 all along
i honestly thought munchlax was a gen 1 pokémon and i had just never seen it before when it showed up in the anime, i didn't find out it was gen 4 until i got the national dex in DP
You have to fight a Magcargo in order to complete GSC. No shit you wouldn't know a lot about a game you haven't played, I don't understand this meme
Okay, virgin. Not all of us remember every little detail of a Pokemon game.
>okay, virgin. I don't even like pokemon!
>takes an unlabeled anime screenshot to use as a reaction image on a pokemon board
>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
>i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon
>i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played
>i proudly log onto /vp/ and make a thread about my opinion like it matters
Are you people insanely autistic? Obviously those Pokémon appear in gen 2 in some form, but their impact is minimal, and their impact is in subsequent gens is bigger. That's the point.
>their impact is minimal, and their impact is in subsequent gens is bigger
this isn't true, though. their impact in subsequent gens is only bigger from your perspective. you're conflating your subjective experience as a shitty fan with a 5 second memory with some idea of a universal objective experience. it's self-evidently moronic; you're moronic
There isn't a single trainer in gen 2 who uses Slugma in their initial fight. You need to go out of your way to see it in the postgame, they don't appear in any routes in Johto. Magcargo appears a few times in Kanto trainers, but by that point you're likely so overleveled that it has no impact at all.
Meanwhile in Hoenn, it's a wild encounter on the mandatory path, is used by several regular trainers and a main game gym leader. She even has two of them in R/S. It's not objective but it's hardly a huge stretch of logic.
>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
>i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon
>i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played
>i proudly log onto /vp/ and make a thread about my opinion like it matters
>repeating yourself
magcargo is literally used by a gym leader, you're just telling on yourself as a hoennbab
Yes, like I said, Magcargo is used by some postgame trainers, one of which is Blaine.
Literally not refuting a single point I made. Obviously Slugma existed in gen 2 but its impact was minimal. You think people were lining up for Slugma merch back then? Don't be delusional.
>Literally not refuting a single point I made.
And you didn't refute a single point I made. You're making an irrelevant tangent. Slugma cards were in four English gen 2 sets: Neo Relevation, Neo Destiny, and Skyridge (2 different Slugma cards). Neo Destiny was probably the most popular Gen 2 set aside from the first one.
I'm not trying to refute it, I fully believe Slugma wasn't as shafted in the TCG as it was in the games. It just doesn't really matter. Many people still associate it more with Hoenn than with Johto because the games are the generation-definining piece of media.
Slugma wasn't "shafted" in the games at all; the games took full advantage of being part of a multi-pillar franchise that had a popular tcg and anime at the same time. Other components of the franchise helped nudge you towards filling in those empty Pokédex slots. It really does matter, because the people who "associate it more with Hoenn than Johto" are enthusiastically defining themselves as zoomers and/or plebs and their opinions can be immediately disregarded as fricking moronic
What a weird thing to feel so strongly about. You think Game Freak really went "let's hide this absolute shitmon in the postgame only, so that when people see it in the anime, they'll ask their friends where they can get this guy"? I feel like that's already putting more thought into it than Game Freak did.
aaaand why wouldn't they do that? It was common for video games of that era to hide secrets like that, usually with the idea of something that would be revealed either by social interactions and/or a game guide, etc. For a game like Pokémon which has a deliberate social component – like, for example, having two different versions of the game in the first place – this would be exactly the sort of thing to hide away. Again, the fact you don't understand all this was already given away by the fact you, with great zeal, stand by this personal assertion that a Pokémon is more associated with one generation than another because you're bad at playing the games.
>What a weird thing to feel so strongly about.
pretentious zoomer babble is coming out now that you can sense it's obvious you've given yourself away. your flawed logic is exactly why nu-gamefreak had to pivot towards less difficult dungeons, handing you legendaries, etc. because otherwise fans like yourself would've felt that ridiculous statements like "actually Arceus is a Unova-mon as far as I'm concerned" was a perfectly reasonable statement because certain in-game events or interactions would've required some level of going off the beaten path to find the pokemon and you clearly interpret anything other than handholding and railroad gameplay as "bad game design"
How is Slugma at all comparable to Arceus? Slugma is not a cool postgame secret. Slugma is an absolute shitmon that's not useful for anything. It's also not particularly hard to find or "off the beaten path", it appears on 3 routes, you will probably run into it while you're going through Kanto, but it will not make any impression on you, because the game is essentially over at that point. You might catch it, and maybe level it up if you're trying to complete your Pokédex, but you're not using it. Don't lie to me and say that you seriously used a Slugma in a gen 2 game. It's also not gonna make an impact on you when Blaine, probably 10 levels lower than your team, sends out a slow Pokémon with easily exploitable weaknesses, that dies in one hit.
Slugma in gen 2 is simply not memorable, because it only appears in a part of the game where your main thought is "woah, Kanto, so cool to see how things have changed!", your team is already locked in, and the trainers aren't remotely challenging you.
>Slugma is not a cool postgame secret. Slugma is an absolute shitmon that's not useful for anything.
basically, zoomers want to have it both ways. according to them, GSC is bad game design because larvitar is locked to the end of the game. not good, not fair, it's a good pokemon, it should be available earlier. so what if a relatively inconsequential pokemon is locked closer to the end of the game? not good, not fair, you've shafted an irrelevant pokemon.
so how can game freak respond? exactly the way it has. each area of the game, right from the start, is now stuffed to the brim with an inane amount of different pokemon species, so that each area is completely indistinct in identity, and the game becomes trivially easy to beat because you have a litany of options right from the get-go.
>It's also not particularly hard to find or "off the beaten path", it appears on 3 routes
so why didn't you find it?
>Don't lie to me and say that you seriously used a Slugma in a gen 2 game.
i absolutely have and again, it's really telling that you are somehow bad at playing a pokemon game and on top of this have the audacity to suggest your own playthrough forms the universal shared experience. you are literally cognitively deficient because you seem to struggle with the idea people might be smarter than you, not even that, you seem to struggle with the idea that, regardless of intelligence, people might play and experience things differently from you
you are, very literally, moronic. you are repeatedly making statements which betray the fact you have a double digit IQ and seem to have no self-awareness to this end
That's putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say, but I'm glad you won the argument against the strawman you made up. I haven't mentioned good or bad game design a single time.
If you truly decided that, 12~ badges into the game, you wanted to put Slugma on your team and made it an important part of the playthrough, then good for you, I'm sure there are people who have done that. But you must be aware that that is a small, small minority, and for anyone who didn't do that, Slugma was basically irrelevant for the entire game.
>n-no i didnt say that!! you're strawmanning!!!
i accept your concession
what if i think larvitar is good design (powerhouse mon reserved for the end of johto) but think slugma is bad design (low stats & two quad weaknesses on evolving appears too late for it to have any use)
im okay with some mons being locked to kanto since it adds new things to find even when you go through the previous gen's region but imo the ones chosen were too weak to be postgame mons
if they were more around like tauros strength or something i'd be fine with it
>You might catch it, and maybe level it up if you're trying to complete your Pokédex, but you're not using it.
I used one for Gen 2. Not on the initial run, of course.
See, you could trade with friends, in this game that had this new feature that allows you to breed low level Pokemon. So can you guess what I did when I got Crystal?
Yeah, that.
As for why I did that? I saw Magcargo on Blaine's team, and it was a Pokemon I never saw before, and it couldn't be found anywhere according to the map. Since you can't find Slugma on trainers, I had noo idea where to find it.
And eventually I did find it, as I scoured over every area at various times of the day, slowly filling the Dex.
To this day, it's easily my favorite Gen 2 mon.
Soulful.
>Many people still associate it more with Hoenn
No, just you
No one gives a shit about the TCG
i cant even be bothered to type unique responses anymore
you are literally cognitively deficient because you seem to struggle with the idea people might be smarter than you, not even that, you seem to struggle with the idea that, regardless of intelligence, people might play and experience things differently from you
you are, very literally, moronic. you are repeatedly making statements which betray the fact you have a double digit IQ and seem to have no self-awareness to this end
U r extremely angry
>their impact is minimal, and their impact is in subsequent gens is bigger.
>Appears in 3 routes in gen 2 but apears in one route in gen 3
Granted its end game in the former but still such a big zoomer cope.
Nah I’m not a zoomer and I and many of my friends thought that Slugma was Gen 3 as a kid. Not Skamory though. He was in the anime quite often.
>skarmory didn't have an impact in gen 2
Don't tell the smogies
>>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
Many people didn't see those episodes, I don't know what to tell you, anon.
>>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
Many people don't care about the fricking cards, anon.
>i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon
some of us didn't even get that merch to begin with
>i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played
Some of us lead busier lives than you. Shocker, I know.
>i proudly log onto /vp/ and make a thread about my opinion like it matters
Who are you quoting?
and you too, who are you quoting?
>>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
There's like one episode each and a lot of people dropped the anime at the time.
>>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
Skarmory had 4 cards, all rare. It's first common was in skyridge after RS came out.
Slugma had two commons in Neo destiny and Neo revelation.
Magcargo had one in Neo Revelation.
>>i didnt collect the gen 2 merchandise that featured these pokemon
Merch of these pokemon basically didn't exist at the time.
>>i cant be bothered to remember the pokemon video game i played
It's not about remembering. Like everyone always says, the trainers rarely use the new pokemon.
Those gen 2 anime episodes barely feature gen 2 pokemon, even Kecleon is more memorable for appearing in the middle of that anime season. Surprised they didn't create Mew truck rumors for that.
>>i didnt watch the gen 2 anime episodes that featured these pokemon
I was a very small child and just saw whatever episodes were currently airing on tv
>>i didnt collect the gen 2 pokemon cards that featured these pokemon
Most of my cards were hand-me-downs and I only had a slugma, not a magcargo
Fiery Path nominated for Hoenn’s best places to visit
>game underutilized its own mons to the point where people think they belong to newgens all because of muh KANNTOOOOOOOOOO
I thought Smeagle was from Alola, like what do you mean Ilima uses old Pokemon '-'
I know which gen every pokemon debuted but there's a few things here and there that I associate with wrong games. I thought Waterfall was gen 2, choice band gen 3, and hidden abilities in gen 4
Choice Band is gen 3 though
You need waterfall to get to Lugia in gen 2
Waterfall is gen 1.
zoomer moment
my first game was scarlet and violet, where volcarona is way more prevalent than it was in gen 5. volcarona is a gen 9 pokemon
agreed
>Gold peasants still trying to force a meme because they made the wrong choice
works on my cart 🙂
You're confirming you either started with Gen 3 or didn't complete the Pokedex
DUDUDUDUDU
POKEMON (slow)TO
POKEMON (slow)TOOOOOO
KANTOOOOOOOOOOO 2 FAST
AIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE DON'T USE SEISMIC TOSS!
>The Gen that introduced type the Steel type (many known for covered in metal or made of the stuff) is the second slowest
WOW
Fricking npc zoomer morons. I waited years for Gold/Silver to come out and I drooled over every Pokémon in them.
I think most of these zoom zoom confusion memes are moronic, but I've got one myself. Maybe it's just because I don't give enough of a shit about Pokemon anymore, but this homosexual feels like a Gen VII mon to me. Might just be because it's slow as shit and it's a weird sea animal that would fit in with Toxipex and Pyukumuku.
wait its a gen 8 mon?? I thought just nobody used it because koko was strictly better in gen 7
I thought it was Gen 7 too. Probably a rejected design for Gen 7 that they decided they liked later.
It's basically Galarian Pyukumuku so I can understand the confusion.
don't be mean to pincurchin he's CUTE >:(
they could legit declare Johto non-canon, straight up erase it from existence and nobody would even notice it's gone, it was that forgettable
>remove hold items
>remove breeding
>remove the special split
>remove berries
>remove skarymory, espeon, umbreon, tyranitar,scizor
have a nice day.
The only Gen that could totally be removed is 5. That fricking dogshit did nothing but add Black folk and James Turner.
>johtroon immediately starts seething about Unova every time
That crybaby is still considered one of the toughest bosses in Pokémon while clay can be swept with with a Ducklett.
>Laughs in Geodude
You NEED a female Geodude/Machop to cheese Whitney. But with Clay you have plenty of options to make the battle a piece of cake, I just said Ducklett because it's funny (it's obviously better to use Swanna instead).
>Excadrill used Rock Slide!
She is crybaby but not a sore loser. She gives you the badge after she stops crying, which almost immediately. Meanwhile, you have to endure cutscenes with WORDS WORDS WORDS before and after every Gym in BW.
>skarymory, espeon, umbreon, tyranitar,scizor
Nobody even thinks of these as being from Johto
>espeon, umbreon, tyranitar,scizor
>nobody even thinks of these as being from Johto
True, they associate Espeon and Umbreon with RSE despite Eevee being unobtainable, Tyranitar with some random ass Sevii Island route, and Scizor with uhhhhhh
Espeon and Umbreon are by far most associated with Colosseum, most other Johto pokemon are associated with Colosseum or XD
The actual Johto games are extremely forgettable trash
>They're associated with a game people played for two hours before dropping
That's cute
>projecting your seething hatred of Colosseum onto the entire player base
>projecting your seething hatred of the DS games onto the entire player base
but enough about you
You don't really believe any of that.
>You don't really believe any of that.
No, and that moron I was replying to doesn't either.
Sorry, I was too sleepy when I read that.
Only because the fanbase is full of ultra casuals who get all their info about Johto from shitposters and trolls.
No. I mean skamory for sure but not the other ones. Stop being obtuse.
Plenty of Gen 2 Pokemon no one mistakes for any other generation.
These Pokemon are absolutely Gen 2:
>Chikorita / Bayleef / Meganium
>Cyndaquil / Quilava / Typhlosion
>Totodile / Croconaw / Feraligatr
>Sentret / Furret
>Hoothoot / Noctowl
>Ledyba / Ledian
>Spinarak / Ariados
>Pichu
>Mareep / Flaaffy / Ampharos
>Bellossom
>Sudowoodo
>Politoed
>Hoppip / Skiploom / Jumpluff
>Sunkern / Sunflora
>Wooper / Quagsire
>Espeon / Umbreon (you're wrong here anon)
>Slowking
>Unown
>Wobbuffet
>Pineco / Forretress
>Steelix
>Snubbull / Granbull
>Qwilfish
>Shuckle
>Heracross
>Teddiursa / Ursaring
>Swinub / Piloswine
>Delibird
>Houndour / Houndoom
>Kingdra
>Phanpy / Donphan
>Stantler
>Tyrogue / Hitmontop
>Smoochum
>Elekid
>Miltank
>Raikou
>Entei
>Suicune
>Lugia
>Ho-Oh
>Celebi
animegays who didn't play the games don't count
>listing Heracross and Wobbuffett
>but omitting Tyranitar and Scizor
what generation are people associating Tyranitar and Scizor with? Gen 4?
I could've also listed Scizor and Tyranitar yes, guess I forgot.
Also, Heracross is absolutely Gen 2, no ifs or butts
It was prominent in the anime, but the fricker had Feebas syndrome in the game to where you could very well miss it while also not being on any teams. People associating it with Gen 3 isn't a stretch
Nobody uses it in gen 3 because nobody uses Safari Zone mons for some reason, it might as well be from Gen 4
Tyranitar
>FRLG because Larvitar is a Sevii Islands encounter and the Champion rematch has one
>Scizor
Platinum because of the dex and movepool expansion
>lets make new pokemon but have them be 1% encounters in the game theyre introduced in
why do they do this
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE IT HARD TO FIND POKEMON I SHOULD BE ABLE TO CATCH ANYTHING WITH EASE WITHOUT HAVING TO SEARCH
>NOOOO YOU GOTTA GRIND SEVERAL HOURS TO HIT A LOW PERCENTAGE ODDS NOT AUTISM AT ALL GOOD GAME DESIGN
if you haven't noticed, only johtosisters will defend spending 4 hours to find a useless shitmon they'll immediately box and forget about
Makes sense when you consider that Johto killed pokemania and the Hoenn era had to take the entire burden of the series upon itself to revive it with not only excellent mainline games but the best spinoffs in the series.
Here's your (You), revisionist clown. Hope the ViceCitychads didn't pick on you in school (◐ω◑ )
It's an absolute fact that Johto killed pokemania, it was done before Crystal released. Only amerimutts cared about GTAslop.
pokemon was only released in Japan and USA until Emerald in 2005, larper
What are you talking about? It was released in Europe too
>It's an absolute fact that Johto killed pokemania, it was done before Crystal released
Yep, if you just ignore how trends operate and how other aspects of the franchise were gradually declining in popularity like the TCG, the anime, the consoles the games were on, the general merchandise, just the general word of mouth since everybody played the games to death. Crystal even cracking 6M despite the GBC being insignificant by 2002 is an indication that Pokemon despite losing momentum after being at the top of world, it was still extremely popular.
Now continue seething about how Nintendo's 6th generation was a fumble kek
>wordswordswords
johtrannies can't meme
johto killed pokemania and you can't ever change history
>concessionconcessionconcession
Well, that was fricking easy to get out of you.
Pokemania died on Johto’s watch. You can’t change that. Shitty filler anime, games with broken level curves and shit distribution and ghost town Kanto. You can’t change any of it. Cemented in the history of this series forever. No point denying it.
He thinks that because crystal sold 6m pokemania was still going but at the end with it dying off completely in gen 3.
What he doesn't realise is that Crystal selling 6m is consistent with post pokemania numbers which only confirms that it died between GS and Crystal.
You called it. Johtrannies are legit delusional, the name truly fits
>Pokemania died on Johto’s watch
Shame for the American Pokemon fandom at the time, I guess
>Shitty filler anime
Which had nothing to do with Johto, and speaking of the anime, start comparing the box office for the Gen 2 movies and Gen 3 movies.
I'm sure you'll be in for a surprise
>games with broken BUZZWORD and shit BUZZWORD and Kanto
Did you have a stroke?
>crystal sold 6m pokemania was still going
>Pokemon despite *losing momentum* after being at the top of world, it was still extremely popular.
Hoennbros... our reading comprehension?
The games were well received, but Pokemania was then gradually bled dry by things like the Johto filler, the movies after the third one getting screwed out of worldwide cinema releases, the TCG becoming way more expensive and switching to an ugly new format, and so on. Pokemania didn't die to backlash, but rather to hype dying out from poor management of the franchise. Gen 3, however, served as a nail in the coffin by infuriating even the hardcore fans holding out hope, thus serving as a nadir for the franchise until DP served as a new entry point for zoomers and older fans were brought back by the remakes of, you guessed it, GS.
Don't try to reason with her, the people who accuse Johto of killing pokemania are the same people who say shit like pic rel.
Where are they getting the no miltank thing from
>(◐ω◑ )
what breed of Black person posts this shit
go back
why is slugma so big
I can't believe Pokemania was killed by *checks notes* a bad level curve and Slugma being too rare
People wanted to have Pokémon like Tyranitar and Houndoom on their team before the game was over you doubleBlack person.
>*checks notes*
go back homosexual
Cope, Hoennonce. The most memorable games for your generation weren't even Ruby and Sapphire, it was the Kanto remakes.
based. romhacks are made with kanto in mind, not prostitutenn
t. Too young before Gen 3
i mistake plenty of gen 5 pokemon as being from gen 6 because i couldnt be fricked to finish BW on the account of them being bad games.
"What? You didn't 100% complete a game you played when you were 7 years old?" is the funniest argument to me
Hoennmon
bait
can't tell if bait but
Of all Gen 2 mons, Sudowoodo can absolutely not be mistaken for another generation considering that an encounter with one is mandatory in GSC.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if some moron thought that Snorlax was from Gen 4 or some shit.
Sudowoodo looks Hoenn AF. Are you high?
I'd be surprised if many people who played gsc first had this opinion
sudowoodo's encounter is just so iconic, I immediately associate it with johto
Well most people into Pokemon didn't play GSC when it first came out.
It has that Hoenn look and style
>most people into Pokemon didn't play GSC when it first came out
So? Just by playing it once you will forever know Sudowoodo is from Gen 2. Or by watching the iconic anime episode about them. Or by seeing people talk about the obligatory encounter in the Johto games.
You are way too ignorant to be giving opinions on this subject.
But it's not a special or memorable encounter lol, just forced. Like I said, unless you played GSC first, you would think he's from Hoenn
Are you trying to be wrong on purpose?
Or are you just very stupid?
Why are you so defensive
>Sudowoodo looks Hoenn AF
In what way? Be more specific
I saw an obvious clickbait video with this moronic subject with a thumbnail saying Meditite was from gen 4 and I had to hold myself back from clicking on it to see just how moronic they were.
Johtoboomers getting BTFO'ED left and right is super funny to watch.
>Johtoboomers getting BTFO'ED left and right
Left and right of where? I don't see it. Also, it's just BTFO (blown the frick out).
This isn't new for them. Only they will act so defensively about every single bad decision gen 2 made, then jump through every hoop to justify them. You don't look passionate, you look severely autistic. At least every other gengay can accept their games' faults.
To me Heracross is a Gen dead Pokemon that needs its arms snapped backwards, tied to a pole, and have its innards pecked out by large and hungry Bird type Pokemon.
>Skarmory
t. Gold