They actually managed to make a Diablo game even worse than Diablo 3.
Bravo, Blizzard! Bravo!
They actually managed to make a Diablo game even worse than Diablo 3. Bravo, Blizzard! Bravo!
They actually managed to make a Diablo game even worse than Diablo 3.
Bravo, Blizzard! Bravo!
can any blizzardBlack folk tell me if their games normally go on sale?
I am playing s1 and wondering if I should buy on tuesday or wait for sale(a month).
blizzard does have sales, but it seems unlikely D4 will have a sale during its first month.
lmfao at these fricking morons. imagine buying a blizzard game in 2023
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I make that in 1.5 hours, really don't care
You are cattle
>le epic redpilled incel
keep seething and malding
Crazy how not supporting massive exploitative corporations has become a 'redpill incel' stance...
Get a job, loser.
how much did you spend on genshin gacha?
Yes, but rarely.
diablo 4 won't be on sale until 2027
Blizzard is pretty anal about sales, could be worse woth live service games
Best you'll ever get is 40-50% off in a year or two. It's like COD or Nintendo shit, those games never drop below $30 in a sale, even the ones from a decade ago.
it's not going to be a month but you can expect a 25% off or so sale in like three months, that's how it usually goes for blizzard games where they want you paying for monthly bullshit
Blizzard games go on sale all the damn time, I keep getting spanned with "Play Dragonflight for free for 7 days, claim now!" because I dropped wow years ago
In a year from now you'll probably see at least 50% discounts
Dragonflight went on sale about a month after, so I'd imagine a 25% sale during Black Friday.
I got 2 and 3 on ChadStation for like $20 total a month ago
Considering Blizzard started begging players and discouting WoW's newest expansion like month after launch expect Diablo on sale soon
Its a live service game. Just wait until its 20 bucks or free to play
Depends on the game. D2R went on sale within months, but Reforged has never gone on sale a SINGLE time.
no but they're not worth playing so don't worry
You should play the game before posting 🙂
Yup. It's so shit it's crazy. Hope blizzard finally goes under after this.
Frick off shill.
What's up lil guy, can't afford video games? Mad you can't just pirate the whole thing?
Wouldn’t even pirate this trash
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price shaming in 2023? wow, bigot
how are people not even remotely self aware enough to realize how embarrassingly stupid this argument is?
>Well I bought the Game of the company who time and time again proved to be not trustworthy for 100 bucks to play early! well look at this idiot, hes waiting 4 days instead of consuming dogshit right away LMAO
>Mad you can't just pirate the whole thing?
https://d4reflection.org/
I played it during the free betas, it was shit and watching videos and streams now it looks the same. Stop shilling chong.
lol you cant comment on the game untill youve bought the ultimate edition and at least 200k diablocoins and all the cosmetics and beaten most of the endgame on at least 4 classes you dumbass because jokes on you it gets good 580 sunk cost hours in GG son, GG dont come back or ill dunk you again
I thought reviews said it was more like D2 with mmo elements than 3?
Maybe the paid shills but that is absolutely not an accurate description of the game. It's an even more moron-proof Diablo than D3.
That's pretty disingenuous of you since it's just D3 but slightly more complex.
you were lied to. it's very much like D3.
D4 Skill Trees are very similar to D3 Skills + Runes (but with fewer options).
>it's very much like D3.
this is a good sign for me since i actually liked it, but i'm not so sure about buying it because blizzard is blizzard
is it really going to have battlepasses? what the frick? how is it gonna work? don't they have immortal to contain all that shit into?
The battle pass shit is like destiny, any actual important stuff is in the free one, the paypig battle pass is just cosmetic shit
It's like a halfway point between 2 and 3, plays like a mix of both with graphics/art closer to 2, with all of the microtransaction gacha shit of the mobile game.
Literally all shills, the game is exactly like Diablo 3 with those filters people tried putting over the game a decade ago to make it darker
It literally plays exactly the same
All the D2 streamers say it's basically Diablo 3.5. I don't see anything from D2 in there personally.
it has elements of both, but combat is definitely more like 3. which is a good thing because the combat was the only fun part about 3. and even that is worse in D4 because almost everything feels less powerful and thus less fun. Just look at barb whirlwind and hammer of the ancients. feels and looks weak. Not fun to play in a game where its all about spamming the same skill
Black person nobody has a good build yet
aspects are the shit tier force multipliers, the good shit is going to come from uniques, and then ascended after that
pic: the free unique (not aspect) you get from finishing campaign, and it is basically build defining already
>just piles of multipliers
yawn
>um myes i don't like multiplication, more of an additiongay
the reaches for elitism are hilarious
you literally do not understand the criticism
If your game is literally just multipliers, the "builds" literally just become how many multipliers can I cram in each slot because missing even one of them is the difference between doing 1000 damage or 100000. Why do you think all the "S tier" builds in this game as rated by the people who had early access to the full build 2 weeks ago was just which skills had the best multipliers.
It's fricking boring.
as opposed to what
Something actually build defining?
>multiplier
>AND addition
...woa....
>100% chance to trigger level 1 raise spider on kill
>multiplier
By playing an actual ARPG, and not an mmo-lite cashgrab ARPG husk.
Not the author but the build defining part is the raise spider bit, the rest is irrelevant.
mod? how did you get your ui like that?
>this confuses the average D4 sister
why?
I have 762 hours played in path of exile and I still don't understand Facebreaker builds. That being said, I'm a summongay, so that's probably why.
Facebreaker just makes it so you build the base damage on the rest of your gear instead of a weapon.
That item isn't build defining lol. A build defining item would be something like "You can only have 1 spirit wolf, upon attacking, spirit wolves have a 15% chance to summon an additional spirit wolf up to 20 spirit wolves" or something like that... which you then build around.
Not X skill does X increased damage.
it is literally defining for a bone spear necro since they are so starved for resource cost in aoe
other aspects are basically flavour/qol compared to this one
That still isn't build defining, a build defining item DEFINES what your build is... it doesn't help enable it.
If bone spear wasn't a necromancer skill and an item granted bone spear, and you were a spone-spear build, that item would then DEFINE what your build is.
You're just fricking moronic man.. if you don't say "My build is 'X item name here' " then it's not a build defining item. I unno how else to explain it kid.
Ahh intellectual. So which PoE "class" raises spiders?
None of them... the dagger grants the skill, which is what makes it a build DEFINING item... also, skills in POE aren't tied to classes because they actually made an innovative game. Shocking, I know.
>also, skills in POE aren't tied to classes because they actually made an innovative game. Shocking, I know.
this is the best part about POE. My cyclone build isn't going to be the same as another cyclone build.
Unfortunately, D4 Cyclone build is just whatever the developers allowed you to have.
>D4 players are literal down syndrome children
lmao
It doesn't even say X skill does X increased damage. It says X skill may refund a small percentage of its costs. Classes and builds with no resource gen issues would get no benefit from it at all. That cuck doesn't know what a build defining item is. Probably doesn't even know what a build is. Probably drops the phrase "game play loop" in any review he posts to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.
>Probably drops the phrase "game play loop" in any review he posts to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.
i feel attacked
>Probably drops the phrase "game play loop" in any review he posts
this has nothing to do with what I was talking about you drooling moron. If i say it FEELS AND LOOKS weird I mean just what I said. It lacks impact, it feels not good to hit things, it doesnt feel powerful. Do I need to expand further or do you get it this time?
Its what it is, don't come to Ganker for serious discussion unless it's a pedo bait nintodler game.
Elaborate pathetic shill
just play Grim Dawn
wipes the floor with both D3 and D4
there are enough things bad/annoying with the ui that I really wonder what kind of morons okay'd it
It's honestly amazing how, despite where Diablo 3 faltered, it still had an appealing and easy to read design. This game is just a pile of shit to look at.
I genuinely struggle to understand anyone who has positive expectations of Blizzard in 2023.
What is wrong with you?
>Stop it stop having fun waaaaaaaaaah be miserable and poor like meeeeeeeee
Meds
Anon, overwatch 2 pve was killed years ago and they lied to everyone about it so they can get extra money through new monetization
What the frick is wrong with you
Bobby Kotick is a good little boy the only reason he's in Epsteins book is...... because!
How can you legit jump of the Blizzard train without sitting and waiting.
>Left HoS to die
>Made BFA, SL, and DF back to back
>Made a shitty, predatory mobile game and tried to sell it as a worthy Diablo game at Blizzcon
>Lied about a feature they planned for an unnecessary sequel to trick players to buy it and interact with their shitty, redesigned cash shop
>Lied about Reforged and allowed a nobody company to taint one of their classic games with shitty decisions while giving it 0 money, time, or effort and then selling it to bait and switch their fanbase
>Go back and actually kill the original WC3 so they could never get DOTA'd again
>Completely abandon SC
This isn't even a matter of misery, I've been enjoying games lately. This is like buying crack and the guy selling it has blood dripping from a knife in his hand and the one keeps waving to you to come into the dark alley alone. You're just asking to get fricked somehow
To play Devil’s Advocate, the team behind D4/D2R are far and away the most talented and competent devs remaining at Blizzard. D4 does have a lot of problems but it’s easily the best new release they’ve had in a very long time from a technical/content standpoint.
D2R and D4 are completely different teams afaik.
>it’s easily the best new release they’ve had in a very long time from a technical/content standpoint.
But for the most part it's been less quality and more just treating you like a paypig. All companies are looking to israelite you, but Blizzard has turned it into a swindling ring.
Like frick man, I wouldn't trust them to deliver on fricking anything without figuring out a way to israelite you hard.
>less quality
d4 is far and away the best looking arpg and is easily one of the best looking games ever made
This. Anyone who says D4 isn’t the best looking ARPG to date is either moronic or outright lying.
it's high fidelity but the artstyle simply looks bad. Muddy and washed-out.
everyone disagrees with you
nah hes right
Even the font for gear/menus seems off. It's very readable, but it also screams "you're playing a video game." It's like too sharp and modern. I don't know how to put it, but it's out of place given the setting.
I guess, but that's not a very high bar to reach. It's the best looking ARPG, but it doesn't look particularly good.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1835193189?t=15h47m15s
>unironically linking twitch
concession accepted
if i cared about ecelebs opinions i would post 10,000 other clips of them praising d4
go back zoomie
post it schizo
go back and youll see it
concession accepted
hope this is an ai and not a human being im responding to
nothing but buzzwords every post
Concession accepted.
what else is there to play? unironically blizzard games are still the pinnacle of videogames.
>muh PoE 2
isn't even out and looks like a carbon copy of diablo but without world bosses and high quality cutscenes
Blizzard games are only the pinnacle of videogames if you only play Blizzard games.
???
Blizzard isn't even the shadow of its former self. It's a demon wearing the husk of Blizzard made by people who actively hate video games but love shaking players down for money. Even coming back to Hearthstone after a couple years off really showed me how far they've fallen. Battle passes everywhere.
>what else is there to play? unironically blizzard games are still the pinnacle of videogames
jesus dude, go play deep rock galactic
Just say you're a moronic homosexual already
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T BUY AND ENJOY THE GAMES HAVE YOU NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO ME SPAMMING ANTI-BLIZZARD THREADS EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR THE PAST FIFTEEN YEARS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA THIS WOULD MEAN I WASTED YEARS OF MY LIFE FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
go make another thread about trannies in wow development team surely thats going to kill blizzard for good now lol
Blizzard's fanbase is beyond mindrotted. Even Bioware's fans eventually realized the company was dead and jumped ship, but Blizzard hasn't made a good game in at least a decade and these people still act like it's 1999 with the original teams still making the games. Nobody who had anything to do with Diablo 2, let alone Diablo 3, even works for this abysmal company anymore.
cool it with the transphobic remarks
It has less complexity and depth than 3 but if it fixes the 2 major issues 3 had, railroady builds (idk how they're gonna achieve that with 4 core skills on every class) and no-content endgame, it will be an improvement.
>how to out yourself that you didn't even play the game
not him but I played both the beta and server slam, game is balanced like garbage
game is a slog to get through to get your first legendaries
once you get 3+ legendaries affecting the same skill, content becomes a joke, gameplay is poorly designed, builds are poorly designed
they replaced d3 sets with d4's legendary stacking
It's funny to see how fast the mood gone from awesome to "wtf it's another shitty nu-blizzard" game.
blizzard lied, this game was rushed out and from the beginning of the game to the endgame it's all poorly designed at every iteration
the biggest cope I'm seeing from people is that
>if you value your time at $1 an hour, then you'll get your money's worth
but the reality of d4 is like paying a $100 to enter an amusement park, being forced to wait in a 2 hour line for a roller coaster, and then the roller coaster only lasts 45 seconds and then they try to sell you a picture of yourself on the ride and merch afterwards
diablo 4 is missing so many thinks that make a game enjoyable, the whole first 10 hours is just awful to get through and the entire endgame wasn't even attempted to be balanced
How many hours do you have in it?
I didn't buy it, I played about 27 hours of the beta and server slam, made predictions about the endgame, then saw endgame footage and was proved right
>mood gone from awesome
the mood was never "awesome" that was just paid shills. Anyone with any attachment to diablo bailed after 3. Even Normalgays don't like blizzard after their "scandals".
this. even lost ark with all the bots is more fun.
No it's not lol, lost Ark at it's core is built with pay to conveniently progress. Some people have careers loser.
D3 was built around action house.
D4 is a blizz stealing every good idea from D2, PoE and Lost Ark. With no p2w or pay to not grind your life away.
not him but lost ark has much better combat than d4, it just has bad pay to win bullshit in the game
>D4 is a blizz stealing every good idea from D2, PoE and Lost Ark.
Unfortunately their execution is not very good.
Because Blizzard is made up of two teams: the team that ensures every penny is squeezed from the gamers and the team of people who hate masculine video games.
it was 100% shill morons, it's a dogshit D3 clone
i hate the homosexualy twitch streamers and shills that blizz marketing paid off with a few bucks, boycott this game bros
I played it for a couple of hours last night. As someone who hasn’t played Diablo since Diablo 2 back in 1999, it’s pretty fun. I definitely appreciate that I can refund my skill points for free throughout the beginning of the game in order to try new builds and strategies and figure out which playstyle feels best. Also I enjoy the grind towards higher level skills and magic.
The graphics look great on a PS5 and I don’t mind the controls, especially once I realized I didn’t need to button mash - I could click a button and hold it down just like a mouse button.
My only real complaint is how none of the gear pieces seem to matter. They all are reduced to one gold or red number you pay attention to and disregard everything else. Also the entire aesthetic is dark shaman Viking, and I can’t imagine who the frick is going to care about what flavor of dark shaman Viking they look like. I certainly don’t.
But it seems like there’s a lot of seething incels who are just angry at Blizzard as a company and want this game to fail and suck based solely on the dev. Which I get, Activision- Blizzard has done some dumb and villainous shit in the past decade.
But I don’t know what to tell you - this game is pretty good.
AI post
It really reads like that.
>My only real complaint is how none of the gear pieces seem to matter.
Anon the entire game feels like this, you just stack legendaries until the whole screen gets deleted with you randomly pressing buttoms
There is no actual itemization, if you are using a skill, you are required to use 3 very specific legendaries to multiply the damage of it into the billions, and then you can only upgrade those legendaries with the same piece of gear with slightly better stats
do diablo 2 shills really pretend that the entire series has not been randomly pressing buttons?
This is literally every single ARPG ever. If you’re going to play a game for over 500 hours there’s only so much “complexity” you can get before everyone just does max efficiency shit. Seriously what ARPG does this description not apply to by endgame?
>Seriously what ARPG does this description not apply to by endgame?
Every ARPG not named Diablo 3 and Diablo 4.
Cope. Every ARPG inevitably devolves into one focused meta where you just sit there and delete the screen. That’s ARPG endgame, and it’s why the hardcore community is full of such autists who b***h constantly about the nature of the games while still doing literally nothing but playing those games. If you treat these games as a drug you’re inevitably going to be miserable
Sure, but getting to that point is the whole point of ARPGs. Being able to build your character and engineer it to get to that point. Diablo 3 and by extension Diablo 4 has no character building. You pick the skill, and stack as much multipliers on it. That's how you go from base damage in the 10~ to Trillions.
>but getting to that point is the whole point of ARPGs
Bullshit. Hardcore ARPG fan will autistically search for the best meta strategy and speedrun the “journey” in 12 hours so they can proceed to b***h about the meta and endgame being lame.
>Bullshit
Why do you think POEtards cream themselves when it comes to theorycrafting builds in POB? Because that's the fun of ARPGs. Seeing interactions and testing it to see if it works and testing it out on endgame challenges.
The fun is optimizing your build and figuring out a puzzle on how to optimize the said build. Blizzard doesn't really get this. Itemization is horrid for D3 and D4 and it all comes down to stacking multipliers.
PoE tards are broken shells, games a bloated mess and they just can’t let go
>POE is bloated
>D4 is not bloated though
>damage against burning enemies
>damage against bleeding enemies
>damage against cc'd enemies
>damage against vulnerable enemies
>damage against close enemies
>damage against healthy enemies
>damage against injured enemies
POE isn't a bloated mess lmfao, they're actively removing/revamping older systems and the game still has x5 the depth/items/builds D4 will ever have and it's free...
The issue is this kind of endgame gameplay is much better done in vampire survivors
Lost Ark has much better ARPG combat and should have been the inspiration for D4's combat, not a bastard mix of D3 and PoE
not for nothing mate but if youve only played a couple of hours and hadnt touched arpgs in decades why the frick would your opinion about the quality of the game matter, what are you even comparing it to, maybe you are an AI its kind of hard to tell
He's a massive cuckold but he is the type of person D4 is made for, the only people upset about the game are people who actually liked previous Diablo games/arpgs
the only type of "person" they make money off of with this game are dopamine addicts and normie homosexuals who play games for 10 minutes at a time
>PS5
Opinion immediately discarded
Dumb villainous shit such as charging $90 for early access, something that used to be free for pre-ordering games for $60 a couple of year ago? Or maybe it's the microtransactions on the $90 game? Or it's the fact they are charging $70 for the standard edition. They're charging a $10 "BLIZZARD PREMIUM".
Is Diablo 2 fun? Worth getting in to? It's from the peak era of PC gaming
if you haven't played it: yes
every unique you find and every skill you level up feels meaningful unlike D4s 'oh wow, my DPS increases by 0,8%?!' soeeface reaction
Yeah bro 2/3rd of the uniques totally aren't garbage in D2.
And every skill point you put into a shitty synergy spell that you will never actually cast, just to make your meteor do 0.8% more dps is also soooo meaningful.
>every unique you find feels meaningful
They really don't.
Runewords made it so you only care about a few specific uniques for your build/class.
I still play it pretty much once or twice a year, I make a character with a new build I've never tried and try to beat nightmare baal as the goal
My latest character was a conversion/thorns paladin
Yes. It's a good game and holds up to this day. It's more fun than 4 without question.
it was fun in the early 00s
They did well with the remaster. Feels like the original and you have widescreen support and you can use skills with hotkeys.
You will keep coming back to Diablo 2 to play it because it is really really fun with good replayability.
You will only come back to D4 because of game design that seeks to addict you to number grinding.
>dude season pass!
>forced to play online so you can see other players micro transactions, not because
There is no love put into these wall street games, play something else.
This thing is a fricking mmo with out the massive lol
I'm honestly disappointed, Diablo 4 could have been so much better than what we got.
I get it I get it
>trusting blizzard in 2023
But it's like the foundation for a good game is all here, it's just the actual gameplay balancing is bad, I want to see how their old skill tree's worked, before they took power out of the base classes and put it solely on legendary effects
How does blizzard expect you to make a new character every season when the 1-50 experience feels so awful
the itemization is fricking terrible, it's all +X% damage
It’s a lot of fun, presentation, build variety and amount of content all mog D3, the only people I’ve seen shitting on this game are PoE obsessed autists who get their opinions from meta speed runner streamers and unironically replay the same game over and over every time a shit new update comes out. What they don’t realize is that they are literally .5% of this games target demographic for launch sales and so have zero priority until they launch all the season pass bullshit later on.
>meta speed runner streamers
You mean the same demographic that D4's endgame is catering to?
It’s either that or no endgame as was the case with D3. The point being that for most normies handing them money they are not ARPG autists and just want a fun co op game that will entertain them for a few weeks. Balancing the minute details of the top 1% of builds was clearly not on their mind for release
Do D2 streamers like any game at all that isn’t D2?
>Do D2 streamers like any game at all that isn’t D2?
I dont know but I think they were hoping for a game that was similar to D2 but improved upon it. D4 is more like an improved D3.
No because D2 was the drug they got injected with when they were 13 and nothing else hits right
>D2 = Freebasing heroine
>D3 = Bud light
>D4 = Instant coffee
pretty much. good thing for them is heroine still exists, just keep doing heroine what could go wrong
>The point being that for most normies handing them money they are not ARPG autists and just want a fun co op game that will entertain them for a few weeks
The coop balancing in D4 is actually garbage, you really feel how worthless your build is compared to your friend when he has 3 legendaries affecting the same skill and you only have neutral legendaries
Coop in this game is dogshit
D2 streamers aren't keen on it either. See LlamaSC, Cooley etc
I'm playing this just to hang out with some friends and I think it's mediocre at best. Looks nice graphically and it almost feels like a game actually made by a multibillion corporation instead of the piece of shit that D3 was. The story and atmosphere is also far less cringe.
The combat just doesn't feel very fun because "resource generators" just feel bad to use and overall the pace is sluggish. And I say that as someone who enjoys both Grim Dawn and PoE. The real issue I have with the game is the shit itemization anyone who played it can point out. Just as D3 revolves around sets, this game revolves around the legendary potentials that scale the skills in the same stupid way and force you to play the few things that work.
I am dumbfounded how "people" are still acknowledging this company in current year. They died over a decade ago, everyone already knew D4 was their emergency "break glass in case we completely lose all consoomer faith". They're going to suck as much money out of fomo paypigs as they can before they inevitably dissolve
>This
Activision has skinned blizzard fricking years ago and shambles around in blizzards skin pretending to be blizz of old.
I broke a 4 yearish long stop in preordering games for D3, and then was promptly reminded why you never preorder games. And frick D4 blizz is a walking corpse
is Ganker in its ironic shill era for (yous) or are there literal paid advertisers/blizzshills coming here in 2023
>are there literal paid advertisers
How new?
Alll those posts are either asking if its shit or just saying its shit.
read the file names
<-- Why /vg/ was made as a shill containment board.
Personally I think discussion of anything not released should be banned.
There have been literal paid advertisers on Ganker for over a decade now. The ROI for shilling on Ganker is huge, one thread can be viewed by tens of thousands of people and it doesn't cost any money to make a thread.
Ea, nintendo and actiblizz somehow have found the secret ingridient for their slops.
They could literally shit on a plate, and these actual morons will buy it, and buy it multiple times
are people fricking stupid DID WE NOT SAY THIS SHIT WAS GONNA BE TRASH yo people legit deserve every bad thing that happens to them
>Blizzard promises D4 is like D2, but better
>whoa boy! sounds awesome!
>download the beta
>its fricking D3, but they removed 90% of all spells, and made everything grey
never gonna buy it, even on a sale, i hate D3 with a motherfricking passion.
>87% metacritic and falling
did we get to wienery, transsisbros?
Heres your 10/10 review score critic for D4 sisters.
post cdkeys I wanna give it a try
this is the current situation, basically
>"NOOOOO STOP MAKING FUN OF ME NOOOO AAAAAAH"
kek, you're a dumb moron for playing in garbage in the face of a mountain of evidence it's creator is the shit king
you're also probably brown and have literal shitting streets in your country LMAO
you're a vtard and d4 also sucks
two things can be tru3
im rich, i bought it, and to be honest - i kinda hate it.
i can summarise the whole game with 1 word: boring.
i am not having a good time.
in fact, im feeling sleepy while playing it.
i think its the mix of grey graphics and the sleep inducing flute "music".
whoever greenlit this thing should be fired.
the single worst thing you can ever say about a hack&slash is that its BORING.
I find it a little boring as well but I also feel like much of it boils down to me having played better, similar games. It's just weirdly sluggish, even if not comparing it to PoE.
the whole gameplay gimmick is also super cringe.
>muh resource generation
>please left click a thousand times with your boring ass basic attack
>now you can use a fun spell twice
>please, again, left click a thousand times
>oops, cant use your fun skill, wait 30 more seconds
.........................
i am NOT having a good time.
blizzard, can you allow me to have some motherfricking fun with this game?
>no
Yeah. I assume it'll get fixed in the endgame when you get your full meme legendary setup going and just stop using generators entirely and clear a screen at once. But that's also a negative because no doubt it's going to be ridiculous like D3.
The absolute morons at Blizzard design this like it's an MMO or Moba.
Why the frick is there "ultimate" skills on a 2 minute cooldown in an arpg?
Skills are supposed to be used and built around, not provide a 2% DPS increase against a raid boss or player
>Why the frick is there "ultimate" skills on a 2 minute cooldown in an arpg?
easier for lazy devs to balance
>easier for lazy devs to balance
Correct. Same reason that WoW was balanced this way, it's not because it's fun, it's because it's easier for the devs. Which should in no way, shape or form be something your game sets out to achieve. Frick the devs.
It's worse than that, it's not about fun, it's about making you want to pay money to win. Skills and abilities can't be fun on their own because then you wouldn't pay real money to win more and alleviate boredom. The microtransaction model inherently needs to make the core game shitty but just fun enough that you keep coming back like an addict.
Builder/spender classes have always been fricking boring and lazy design, and this game has it for most classes (at least as far as I could tell from the beta, I sure as hell didn't buy this garbage). It's literally lazy trash MMO design like the rest of the game.
so its basically D3
I ran many grifts and cant remember a single one. I just went automode and watched tv or a stream
No. D3 is lightning paced compared to this. 4 is very slow and dull.
Check out the endgame footage. Looks D3 as frick.
Let’s stop with the revisionism here. D4 is fricking light years better than D3 was at launch. How they actually support the game remains to be seen.
lmao its much worse
You couldn’t even play D3 on launch because it would shit the bed constantly and when you could finally log in weeks later you could do everything in the game within 30 hours and were then given zero incentive to continue after getting whatever the meta set was
wrong
okay but i personally could and even if you couldn't it was still a better game when you could actually play it
D3 has 10,000 more spells to pick from, and is fast as frick.
D4 you just.... slowly run around in total silence.
you hear somebody blow some air into a flute once in a while, thats the whole soundtrack.
>10,000 more spells
What are you even talking about? D3 had terrible character building and the sets railroaded you into playing the one (1) good build per season.
>What are you even talking about?
about spells in Diablo 3.
every single spell had 8 variants.
the runes changed the graphics, the sound, the entire way the spell worked.
There were, essentialy, 8 fireball spells to pick from.
or 8 different teleports.
you obviously never played Diablo 3 - please refrain yourself from talking about games you didnt play, okay?
You didn't play it if you think it had any actual variety due to the way the itemization work in RoS.
>yeah i know runes changed the spell completely, and each spell had 8 runes, but.... but uhh... the uhh.... itemisation and uhhh....
please stop posting.
im not talking about items.
im talking about spells.
just stop posting.
You're talking about what could've been. I'm talking about how the game actually played.
But I guess you didn't play it so you don't know.
>but but but
i told you to stop posting if you didnt play the game, okay?
Diablo 3 had motherfricking hundreds of spells compared to Diablo 4.
>but but but but
but what? only 1-2 builds were cool? so fricking WHAT.
stop posting.
not him but holy frick youre moronic
cope
you have genuine brain damage and should stop playing vidya before it gets worse
>has to preface his dumb decision with "first off i'm actually rich okay"
What class did you pick, also would you say it at least worth the standard price?
>What class did you pick
necromancer.
>0 poison skills
>2 curses
this whole game feels like a parody.
>also would you say it at least worth the standard price?
after playing it for a few hours, im convinced it should be F2P + season pass.
Shit thats not a good sign I'm picking female necro on monday.
Only buying the normal priced game (so about 77 bucks)
did you do the bone skills?
Also what world tier did you pick, I might do WT2 just so I don't get bored.
Yeah but then Blizzard would feel incentivized to throw P2W shit in there. Even though I like D4, I wholeheartedly know Blizzard are a bunch of fricking israelites who want to nickel and dime me.
poison is still in its just recoloured purple and called shadowblight
You are not allowed to criticize game, it hasnt even released yet! They will fix everything after end of early acess.
Anyone who refused to spend the $20 is definitely a better person. Impulse control shows a more developed frontal lobe.
I spent the extra $20 so I get in some premium game time before the poors/blacks/ps5 players could play.
Ganker keeps shitting on new games because they don't want you to know that they are too dumb and broke to keep a thread about games they actually like afloat. Nothing gets bumped except for flame threads and coomer threads. scr/v/b thread kek
>generic goat man recolored boss with same moveset no. 73
so its truely a mmo
I wasn't really paying attention to this but did they really add level scaling to a hack and slack arpg?
it's been in D3 for years, and yes it's in D4.
I just watched the Lillith battle, they seriously reused Malthaels frame and animations on her didnt they
nuBlizzard devs literally couldn't design good loot/itemization if their life depended on it.
That's what I don't get. What's the point of dumbing it down until it's boring? Even morons can wade through incredible complexity to make good builds, and failing that, just copy streamers. All they had to do was hire some math/stats degree guys who played D2, and wham bam, could have people arguing and theorycrafting for ages, creating more interest in the game.
>muh mtx
The shop is literally unobtrusive and you have to actively look for it to see the offers.
>muh level scaling
Important to make all areas relevant. Everyone cheered when D2R made act side areas high level so they became worth farming. "Makes you feel powerless when leveling" is not an argument due to how short leveling is.
There are no other real criticisms of D4. Muh shill is not an argument. It's just hate for hate's sake, animals frothing at the mouth because they are incapable of human speech.
10 Diablo silver have been deposited into your account
>Mobile UI with 5 star items every, looks like a raid-shadow legends UI
>Build diversity is more or less non-existent with each character having less than 5-10 viable builds
>Trading heavily suppressed because blizzard doesn't feel like even attempting to combat botting/rwt.
>itemization is just 5 different damage buckets that have no real meaningful difference other than their names
>rife with predatory monetization, FOMO exploitation, FOMO battle passes, FOMO early access etc..
>Lazy uninspired endgame that consists of repeating the same braindead dungeons over and over
I could go on... but to say that there's no valid criticisms is fricking stupid.
Thank you for your thoughts on PoE, but we’re talking about D4.
I mean yea, POE also has a lot of predatory fomo shit, but at least it's free and has like 10x the content that D4 has..
It’s also been out for 10 years and is showing it’s age.
I love PoE by the way. But nothing wrong with picking up the new popular ARPG for a bit.
I don't disagree, I might even buy D4, but I'm not gonna buy the deluxe version cause that early access shit is slimy as frick.
Gonna wait and see what the endgame builds/itemization actually turns out being at lvl 100 before I decide.
its just multipliers on top of multipliers. also just greater rifts fom d3
You're just doing bounties and rifts again, nothing has changed. 600million+ damage is back as well
>2023
>blizzard
Lol
>Giving Activision money
Lmao
You gotta remember anon, the average gamer is dumber than a bag of rocks.
ITS FRICKING GREY.
WHY IS THE WHOLE GAME FRICKING GREY.
Because dark fantasy.
Because everyone whined about 3 being "cartoony".
It's way worse than Diablo 3. 3 had fun gameplay and was not drowning in gacha shit.
> “D3 is too colourful! Make it dark and gloomy like D1 and D2!”
> “what the frick it’s all grey and gloomy, make it more colourful”
You’re a fricking parody, bud.
There a big fricking difference between wanting a colorful kiddie game and a game with washed out color making everything look gray and the same.
Agreed. Been watching some D4 footage today to see if it got improved and it hasn't at all. It's so bland, grey, and obscenely washed. I like and welcome "dark" games, but D4 isn't dark, it's very washed and watered down. Very little detail and contrast. Little colour, and what colour there is and the greys aren't used well at all. Almost soulless.
>inb4 hater
Just 'hate' how shit the game looks on a visual point, it could be much better. Doesn't help how they can't even be grim anymore, either, all of the 'gore' and 'evil shit' looks bland. Not believable.
It's literally one of the worst games looking games I have seen in years. For the morons, GREY is not the same as DARK. If you can't tell the difference, maybe you should spend your money in a new monitor with good contrast ratio instead of on this trash p2w scam.
>pay to win
How is it pay to win? Anything gameplay related whatsoever is included with the purchase of the game including for future updates
>pay $20 extra
>start playing 4 days early
looks like P2W to me
This is literally irrelevant and will have no impact long term on anyone who’s planning on dedicating themselves to PvP/endgame
or maybe you are just naive and cannot see that this is just the start of a pattern. they have already lied about no p2w and they will lie again, just like they did with diablo immortal.
They don’t have to. Paypigs will dump their bank accounts for skins and skins alone. The real strategy they have right now is pumping the Shit out of launch numbers for this game because everything else they’ve done recently is going poorly. That’s why it’s such a normie focused experience at the moment.
Paypigs will pay twice as much for anything that gives them an advantage over other players. They know that, and that is why they have been slowly pushing the boundaries of p2w for decades. The battlepass will also contain a minor source of power, and you will ignore it again because "it doesn't matter in the long term". And the next battlepass they will push it a bit further over and over again until the game is exactly the same as diablo immortal. It has already happened in mobile games, pushing the same model to PC and console is their wet dream.
>the battle pass will contain
Nope, you can see the entire battle pass as it will launch right now. The only thing with gameplay relevance is in the one included with the game
literally frick the israelites for this, I literally hope they all die soon.
video games are literally becoming a bladerunner/ neuromancer hellhole now.
This is now the future where the sheep or just plain rich get too go first.
I'm not poor but I'm not rich, I'm literally just not falling for it.
How can this shit actually be real, it feels like some joke. How many israelites at blizz are laughing right now?
you VILL eat the BUGS.
What do you think is early access? Good luck competing to lvl 100 or on pvp with people who had a 5 day headstart. That's literally the definition of p2w.
Cancelled my preorder when I found out there isn't any form of matchmaking at all. If your friends dont want to play Diablo 4 you're severely fun gimped.
So why are Blizzcucks not adjusting for regions?
I'm not paying 4 ounces of silver for their slop in my 90th world country
Literally just D3, remade with 2023 graphics. Did it really take them 10 years to come up with this? Was 9 years of that time spent on coming up with a way to jam as many monetization methods into it as possible?
>Was 9 years of that time spent on coming up with a way to jam as many monetization methods into it as possible?
>Console players couldn't play yesterday until they bought in game goydollars
You tell me.
Reminder: PoE-nies are in full defence mode.
Welcome to a Diablo 4 thread.
You're probably lot seeing a lot of weird replies. Don't worry! Here's a guide to posts in Diablo 4 threads!(राकेश कृपया पोस्ट करने से पहले हटा दें)
>HAHAHA X $S FOR THIS!?
Poorgays are prominent on Ganker because this U.S. image board is not region locked. $70~120 is a lot of money in European countries, Australia, and straight up isn't feasible for developing third world countries. It's human nature for the poor to envy the wealthy. Envy plagues the poorgay because even if they had an interest in Diablo 4 it would require months almost a year of saving.
>GOYSLOP ILL JUST PLAY POE/EPOCH/D2/etc.
These games were probably on steady declines BEFORE Diablo 4's announcements. With the announcement and subsequent beta releases they have been spiraling. Why do poorgays NOT want you to play Diablo 4? Because it keeps their freemium/off brand products alive. That's less than a typical WoW medium population server. The survival of their game depends on the failure of D4.
>*INSERT MISINFORMATION, BLATANTLY WRONG STATEMENT, ETC.*
The modus operandi of a shit poster is to pollute a thread with misinformation to repel people who may be interested in the game. In addition, they want to bait more and more responses to further shit up the thread ultimately occupying a post spot for those legitimately interested in discussing the game. Simply do not engage - it's a no win scenario. Your responses will be cherry-picked for keywords and they will just continue the shitposting.
Keep in mind that POE, Epoch, etc. aren't bad games and you aren't forced to only play one of them for an eternity. Many mentally stable individuals will actually play all of them. The true opposition mentioned above? They have no choice. They can't afford to play games as they come out.
Save this for future threads - I know i will! Cheers and see you in Sanctuary
Unironically this.
PoE is fun to jump into at the start of new seasons. Grim Dawn was one of my all time favourite, and my brother and I will still roll new characters for years to come. Last Epoch has crazy potential and it feels better every time I log in. Can’t wait to see where they take it. Lost Ark… frick Lost Ark is so gay.
Anyways, now I’m gonna play D4 for a bit because it’s pretty good and new, and I actually enjoy vidya instead of just shitposting and being a contrarian hipster-gay all day.
>Unironically this.
>PoE is fun to jump into at the start of new seasons. Grim Dawn was one of my all time favourite, and my brother and I will still roll new characters for years to come. Last Epoch has crazy potential and it feels better every time I log in. Can’t wait to see where they take it. Lost Ark… frick Lost Ark is so gay.
>Anyways, now I’m gonna play D4 for a bit because it’s pretty good and new, and I actually enjoy vidya instead of just shitposting and being a contrarian hipster-gay all day.
You mad because I can afford games, homosexual?
whats step 3 on the script jashmeet?
> “everyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill”
Your parents must be proud of your Gold in mental gymnastics.
save your money for the hair implants
>posting a blog-post in response to spammed copy-paste bait
Lost Ark has good combat but the asiatics added a billion pay2skip daily rituals bullshit and making it completely shit
I'm actually gonna buy it on money, whats bad about it. is it at least worth 50-100 hours worth of playtime.
>biggest Diablo 4 streams on Twitch is a botted channel (Fextralife), a German channel and then a Brazil channel
Is Diablo a third worldie game?
>Is Diablo a third worldie game?
You didn't pick that up with all the "You're a poorgay if you don't like this game" spam
Fextralife doesn't bot views. They embed their stream and hide it on every page of their wiki. Every tab of the fextralife wiki every player has open is boosting their view count. It's why they're usually on top for souls games as well.
This prerelease early playtime shit has to be one of the most sad and rage inducing things Ive ever seen.
a series like diablo doesn't need to exists anymore, when there's so many alternatives. i mean why pay $70 for pozzed trash that has f2p type microtransactions. like the story isn't going to be good, the graphics are going to be shit cause it's made for all devices to handle.. like why are you really paying $70 to play shit? i understand if you don't care and you just want your dopamine levels to keep rising when you see that +500 and green arrow, but like anyone who buys this trash and critiques blizzard to do better are just morons cause anyone with a brain already knows it's going to be bad.
post horn to prove you can say shit about game
Literally every twitch c**t is palying it despite it being utterly boring to play never mind watch, Blizz has gone hard with the marketing budget
see
The had too of paid them all off, I saw the prostitute house lan party too last night.
It's called bounties on twitch, companies make a bounty to play a game for X amount of hours and you'll get X amount of mone, adjusted based on your average CCV
What is a good current ARPG? PoE feels too bloated and I can't get into it. The new Torchlight just feels off and the UI is dogshit.
Grim Dawn is one of my all-time faves. It’s slower than most, but that’s sort of why I like it.
Is it really worth it? I don't want to play PoE but the issue with most of these arpg games is that why pay for them when PoE which is usually considered better than all of them is free. Don't really want to spend $25 for a game that is nearly a decade old but will if its worth.
I may be wrong but I think its the type of game you can pirate. Never played it before though.
I'll second that grim dawn is great, although honestly I always thought it looked a bit ass visually. Gameplay wise its great (slow at first but gets better) but I personally have played it to death. Wish they had followed it up with a sequel but doesn't look like it will ever happen. If you want something differetn try Inquisitor Martyr. Honestly there's not many options really, apart from them you've got Last Epoch and Wolcen which didn't hold my attention long.
This is going to be an odd answer but a game coming out on Switch somewhat soon called Fantasy Life may be a good pick up.
100% yes, but only if this sounds like something you would enjoy.
It’s a handcrafted world, so not randomly generated like PoE or D2, but has some randomly generated dungeons. Quite large overall though.
The build diversity is awesome. Pick two classes to mix and match and slap points around their skill trees.
Itemization is crazy. So many affixes on items, it can actually get a little overwhelming, but gets easier as you learn what to look for. Lots of damage types.
Slower, more methodical combat. PoE will throw a screen full of mobs that you can delete in a button press, where Grim Dawn will throw 10 to 15 max at you, and you will have to click a few times to work through them. Also the unique named mobs generally take a bit longer.
There’s also rep to grind with a ton of factions, including monster factions that you can become nemesis with.
The overall tone is more dark and grim. Not as flashy and colourful as PoE and D4, but that’s a good thing in my opinion.
Overall it’s an amazing game. As someone who has played every ARPG since playing D1 as a kid, it’s fricking top-tier.
>Reddit spacing
Frick off, moron. Just because a giant unreadable wall of text suits your /misc/ safe space doesn’t make it any easier to read. Fricking moron. Just goes to show that most people who post here are underage.
Go back
Sadly been here longer than you, newfriend.
Go back
Cope
Everyone criticizing Diablo 4 is just a microsoft shill trying to drive down the shareprice of Acti-Bliz for the merger
Whats the point in continuing to play a game series after they released a 10/10 classic?
It's only going to be worse
Reminder that modern "Diablo" is a skinwalker wearing the flesh of Blizzard North and that the trannies at Irvine can only attempt to imitate what the Blizz North devs were doing before most were shitcanned.
While you are correct, Torchlight 3 shows that Blizz North devs also can't pull off what Blizz North devs were doing
>the most in depth plot in a diablo game
i want hype before according to current state of blizzard but damn i love me a plot in my games and this is right up my alley, ive always been a campaign player
don't worry anon, the plot is also fricking terrible
You know, that Leah2.0 girl in the beta?
She will betray you and flee with Mephisto's soulstone that was inside Lilith somehow lmao
>the most in depth plot in a diablo game
really? from what I've heard the only things that happens are.
>lilith kills butthole priest
>eventually you kill lilith
>the dog was really mephisto and now he's free
>despite the fact that nothing else happens, there are 5 acts and hours of boring dialog
did I miss anything?
>playing an ARPG for it’s story.
I was responding to an anon who said D4 has an in depth plot. pay attention, please.
>Moving goalposts lmao
So the dog was a prime evil, of course
I was looking forward to the plot too, then the plot completely went moronic
It's not as bad as D3, but it's close
can't believe im saying this but even grim yawn is less boring than this piece of shit
act1-5 were pretty good standard diablo stuff, but epilogue act was actually so incredible its something ill look forward to if i ever do the campaign again
long as hell too
the moment you finish the campaign theres like like 4 things to do, and then another gatekeeping quest for another world tier where even more shit opens up
very cool so far
I'm going to be enjoying Diablo IV all night while you all argue with each other and watch anime cartoons. I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.
Stop browsing /misc/ and start enjoying things again.
whats the difference between enjoying vidya vs enjoying anime vs enjoying talking shit online, why cant you let us enjoy shitting on your stupid game, are you so naive that you think theres some kind of spiritual distinction between any of these surrogate activities
>you're /misc/ if you like shitting on shitty pozzed games
based goyslop enjoyer
I LOVE GOYSLOP
>I LOVE GOYSLOP
I LOVE GOYSLOP
>I LOVE GOYSLOP
>paying $100 for a really subpar game is now an own in 2023
jesus
Why do people complain about “gacha” shit in this game? I literally couldn’t give less of a frick about cosmetics so I don’t really see why I should be sperging out and raging over a cosmetic only cash shop. At least the game doesn’t lock mechanics like your stash space behind paid walls like PoE, which of course is free to play but the point stands.
Because they paid $70 for an incomplete game, that us, if you are not a bot.
How is it incomplete? There are zero locked mechanics or things you have to pay for. If you feel compelled to hand Blizzard more money because you want your character to look like a rainbow gay or whatever more power to you but anyone who’s not gay does not view this as something to even think about
>pay the game
>but wait! there is more! Tired of your boring looking armors and animations? Buy this AWESOME armor for a limited time ONLY for only 25 dollarinos!!! What if you want this armor? We DON'T CARE! What are you a poor? (don't ever mind it's just a 3D model that cost us 50 dollars to make)
Nevermind $50, we're close to the era where they can have the AI print new armor on a generate button.
You are actually right. And it's also pay to win, since people who preorder will have advantage over a totally not artificially limited item with your name on it.
It doesn't strike you as annoying that you're paying full price for the game, and then the cool looking items are actually just MTX gated behind spending even more money, even though you already paid full AAA price (+deluxe) for the game?
Like realistically, why wouldn't all that MTX just be added as 3d item art. Especially since the game JUST launched and they're already adding MTX that should've just been custom item art..
I personally don’t get why D4 is so hated.
> Great aesthetics that are far closer to the old grimdark feel of old Diablo (altough I’d say they took a lot of inspiration from Witchet) rather than neon-emo D3.
> Character build system and crafting systems are suprisingly good. I expected myself to quickly get cornered into „here are your mandatory synergies now go pretend making choices” but there are actual flavors of builds and decisions to make.
Yes, it’s still a bit too easy. My group plays in hardcore mode to at least look at our healthbars.
Yes, it’s still MMO-lite and a skinner box game just like previous Diablo games except from D1.
Yes, early access on deluxe was a dick move but we talk Activision here.
It’s 7/10 game that is good enough to play with friends and maybe beating it once solo. Not 1/10 disaster that you Black folk claim it to be. Calm your breasts down.
I just got diablo for free with my 4070
should I even install it
Haven't touched a blizzard game since SC2 HOTS
why did they turn diablo 4 into an mmo?
because once upon a time people used blizzards mmo as a glorified chat room to meet and sleep with suicidegirls and they never figured out how t do that again
They wanted the braindead WoW audience
druid fricking slaps
Boring and small.
diablo 4 looks like it could be fun with friends for a little bit, but there's no way I'm going to spend $70 on an unfinished live service shitfest with a battle pass. I've lost all faith in blizzard so I don't feel bad just skipping this game entirely.
you honestly payed extra just so you could play a couple days before and b***h about it?
wait wait WAIT. Ya'll telling me they reconned killing mephisto and now he's a dog? How did he become a fricking dog?
Prime Evils™ always come back, baby!
And just like that, everyone instantly forgot about Overwatch 2, just as blizzard had intended.
Nuh uh, they will pay for it in due time.
you will be the one paying them again, paypig
u fokin wot m8?
Genuine question: have you just not paid attention at all to the Blizzard of the last decade? Is there a literal single thing they've done that tipped you off into thinking this game would be good?
i look at the game, not the company. D4 is good, so I bought it
how is it good elaborate
Nobody in this thread has actually played the game. So shut the frick up 🙂
My Black there was multiple free beta tests to play it
And you played none of them 🙂
incorrect
Nope 🙂 You're lying.
>beta = finished product
Are you moronic or just new here?
shut the frick up you dumb c**t
So you're just new here. Go back right now.
c**t
Typical response of someone who's new here.
>there are "people" who still think beta means beta when it's a month before launch
Are any of the animations not low impact wet noodle garbage that you can’t even see? So far the Druid and Necro ones are all awful
Barbarian will always be king.
The welcome message when first logging in to the game says
>You have cross network play enabled, and may encounter human garbage.
Are they talking about PS5 players?
It hasn't even been in early access for 24 hours. How the frick would you know if it's good or not?
Did your favorite streamer give his opinion or something?
Yeah goybro, what best decision than to just buy the game™ to see for yourself?
it's been one day so the early access price should drop to $15
I have no desire to play any ARPG. When D3 released I played so much my neck got fricked. Bought D2, but that was mostly out of nostalgia. I'm pretty sure the genre is dead.
The genre exists for corpos to make soul-sucking live service games out of.
sadly genshin taught me that arpgs are the horror movies of video games, easy to mass produce slop that are only made to turn a quick profit
Diablo 4 would have been a better game if it was single player with LAN.
But blizzard isn't a game company, they are a money company.
Warcraft got the free 'Trading Post' with monthly free cosmetics.
Diablo 4 gets predatory cash shop and battle pass. That should tell you all you need to know about this game and it's future.
Is Ganker cursed to be eternally btfo? This game will sell millions, is a contender for GOTY, and there's nothing you can do about it
>Sell millions
>contender for GOTY
Let's see it beat D3 in those categories first, else the OP is still correct.
Whats the difference? They look like they play the same to me.
Excellent game. Loving it so far. Playing as druid with my wife (necromancer) and we're already level 42. If they didn't have the beta I wouldn't have bought it. D3 was a dumpster fire. D4 is superb.
Reddit is a few doors that way
>Reddit
Who?
Game isn't actually good. Contrarians here just shill it to "pwn" the PoEtards.
PoE players are like those "people" we once shipped here to pick our cotton. Also like those "people" I wish they would fricking leave now.
They literally designed this game for WoW's Mythic+ community
makes sense, they just design new games for their already mazed morons.
>Implying they can design anything else
They literally cannot design anything but souless slop nowadays.
Won’t be surprised when they inevitably add raids into the game lol
isnt mythic+ based on D3 rifts?
Bingo
M+ Was one of the worst shit ever made
To cather to "gogogoers" and bait esports
m+ is fun as frick and encourages way more strategy in higher keys than fricking 2 hour long slog dungeons where you cc every pull and then drink/eat for 30 seconds
Disgusting take
Just go play a racing game
you literally cannot refute it - why is it a disgusting take?
Refute?
Both are opinions, nothing more
Pushing for speed takes the rpg of the mmorpg.Breaks immersion, i'ts a subgame inside a game, artificially made to be another try at esports after the failure of arena.
I think you nailed it on the head why I fricking dislike this game
WHY IS EVERYTHING SO ZOOMED THE FRICK IN
WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA
WHY ARE MODERN GAME DEVS ACTUAL SUBHUMANS?
>400 posts and no one can answer the ONLY relevant question
IS IT FUN?
nope
yeah for 2-3 days max
do you like mindless busywork in place of fun gameplay? then this is for you.
sorry to say but im having fun
nobody care
the real questions are are there many Black folk and how much lgtb propaganda is there?
>IS IT FUN?
Is a difficult question, because the gameplay from 1-50 is completely different from 50-100.
1-50 plays incredibly slowly and you feel like your class is shit, you'll get random legendaries that you will have to respec your character in order to use.
From 50-100, the game ramps up in speed the more legendaries you get to kit out your character, once every slot is filled with a legendary, combat is now a joke, you kill everything on screen instantly and when you die you have zero idea how it happened.
The whiplash with the way the game plays shows extreme, fundamental design issues with diablo 4
So are we buying or not, people on twitch and youtube seem to be enjoying it? Are people just being contrarian per usual?
Nothing to play til Armored Core 6 comes out, so maybe its worth playing til then.
We're a go and buying it, anon, but on the 6th not the +$20 version. That's the official Ganker position on D4.
Yeah, If I'm buying I'm buying reg edition.
You prob bought Star Wars Jedi and the new Street Fighter. So sad. Sad.
People who enjoy it are shills? I have yet to come across people shitting on it other than Ganker. Sure.
>People who enjoy it are shills?
its shit, so therefore anyone claiming to enjoy it is lying
>You prob bought Star Wars Jedi and the new Street Fighter. So sad. Sad.
lol nice cope blizz wienersucker
You dumbo probably slaved away years of your life playing WoW. I don't give a flying frick about Blizzard. I just want a new game to play.
LMAO look at all this cope holy frick blizzdrones are delusional
You're insane and cannot be reasoned with. You just hate the game/dev for whatever reason. Don't ever respond to me again.
I watched someone on twitch playing it and you have to be seriously brain damaged to spend money on that dogshit
it's early access with paid shills
usually these games are designed to be played for a long time but the general world seems empty and the endgame is D3 all over again so youll probably get a good week or two before being burnt out
It's over. Gaming is dead.
My normie friends really enjoyed the beta for some reason, and none of us have gotten a new game in months so I'm getting it with them on the 6th. If it was just me I wouldn't be spending $70 on this shit.
D3 was one of the worst games I have ever played, how did they make the fourth even worse?
>barely any threads about this despite JUST coming out
>everyone that's played through it hated it
It's over.
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Haven't played wow in ~10 years
What's mythic+ in a basic sense and why is it bad?
It's 5-man dungeons with increasing/scaling difficulty the higher you go with some affixes that change each week. The affixes alternate between bosses harder / trash harder, and then you get 2 random "dps need to pay some attention" or "healers need to pay some attention" type things. It's the best part of modern WoW.
>Spam generators for 30 seconds
>Use spender skill for 5 seconds
Why is this allowed?
>Use Ultimate skill once every minute.
whats the alternative
>spam your movement ability which is also your spender which is also your generator which is also your CC while spamming 123451231241234124
disgustingly boring gameplay.
i hated d3 for that, too, barely play it because of that.
>i hated d3 for that, too, barely play it because of that.
>play
present tense. so you still play it then. opinion dismissed.
well frick you man, i know my english sucks but im trying really hard.
I don't know if there's a less helpful form of autism than whatever it is you anons have.
>No pinnacle bosses to test your builds against
>No aspirational content to farm for
>No chase items
What's the point of grinding again?
There was INSANE hype for the game before it came out, but now when it's out it's like the game is already forgotten. Even on Twitch there's barely any viewers despite the game just came out, the race to lvl 100 Hardcore race and all that.
This is usually what happens when you target casual NPCs that just jump onto the next hyped game. No long term commitment. But then again, D4 is a pump and dump game. They already milked these morons for their $90 lol. They already made their money and them some.
Its the most viewed category currently. Even higher than the coomer category.
homie thats only 20k more a day after early release i wouldnt be suprised if the first day was view botted by blizzard since we caught them doing it for overwatch league
Its 393k more viewers than the next highest game. It is more than triple the next highest game. I'm not even pro diablo but you said it was not being watch on Twitch and I took offense to you lying to me like that.
Why the frick do people still watch GTA5 anyway?
when other games have literally nothing else happening, for a big release it's a dogshit number, also look at who's number 1 there, fricking fate extralife fricking lmao, you know this guy right? the 30k viewers stream with a completely dead chat? he just has a wiki and if you open it his stream will play muted at the bottom of the page lmaoooo, all of these "viewers" are just people who opened his wiki
why would anyone even open his wiki? is he famous?
he has dozens of wikis and many of them will pop up as the first result if you look for an item, npc, or something from a game, especially elden ring stuff, if you google an elden ring item it's pretty much a 100% chance that his wiki will be the first result, and of course if you open it his stream starts playing muted, try clicking on this, it'll open his stream
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Golden+Seed
Search engine optimization that pushes his site to the top of google despite being unmitigated dogshit nobody wants to see.
that's dogshit for a big release, a random genshin patch update gets more viewers than that
lost ark had 1.2m on release and thats literally a noname korean shit. also diablo lost 1/3 of viewers since yesterday
Frick. Why outright lie like that? I bet this homosexual was also posting "Safe and effective" any time he saw someone discussing the vax scam.
dogshit viewer number, even worse than dragonflight, and blizzard is a troony company
Boycott american products
No? Buying American means you support Ukraine.
I support total hohol death, how do I contribute to that?
buy MTX from chinese owned Path of Exile.
Can I just buy bunny girl costumes in mahjong soul instead?
Yes.
Oh okay, mahjong causes me physical pain but I'll do my part
I rather support China than America
Is someone ever going to make an ARPG that isn't just about making 1 skill do as much damage as possible and spamming that exclusively?
Most ARPGs already are made that way. But the player base will choose the most efficient way to play and the most efficient way to play is the make 1 skill do as much damage as possible and spam that exclusively.
>But the player base will choose the most efficient way to play and the most efficient way to play is the make 1 skill do as much damage as possible and spam that exclusively.
If that's the most efficient way to play then clearly those ARPGs are not, in fact, made in a way that encourages more varied and strategic gameplay. You're saying this like it's the fault of the players.
Every single game ever made can be reduced to spamming 1 ability as the most efficient strategy, so yes, it is the players' fault for choosing to play that way
I'm not saying it *like* it is the fault of the players. I am stating quite plainly with no room for interpretation that it IS the fault of the players.
So the players should just choose to play in a way that isn't being rewarded by the way the game is designed?
You said that "ARPGs are already made that way", but if they were, then players wouldn't all be gravitating towards single skill spam.
>So the players should just choose to play in a way that isn't being rewarded by the way the game is designed?
Yes. They should choose to play the way that they enjoy the most, and stop giving a shit about how strong their build is, because optimization ALWAYS leads to a boring and unsatisfying result. Stop taking games too seriously.
You don't understand players and are probably one of those cuckolds that posts the phrase "game play loop" as someone earlier in the thread pointed out. Lets see if we can help you out.
Take two abilities that are not identical to each other. One of those two abilities will be better than the other. Even it is just a 1% increase over the other in some way, it is better. Now give players the option to use both abilities. Most will use the one that is better. Mouth breathers like yourself may use the other but you are a minority, you are brown, you are gay.
The devs provided two skills. They balanced them as best they could but without having the two skills be copies of each other, one will always be better than the other. Players choose to use one skill.
What if those two skills do radically different things where one skill will be better than the other in one situation?
What if the game's build creation process didn't push you towards pumping all of your damage into 1 skill so you could actually change your playstyle for different situations instead of having to hyper specialize into doing only one thing?
Have you ever actually played any video game outside of these shitty borderline idle games in your life?
Players will still use the skill that gets the job done quicker.
Next question!
Only because THE GAME allows them to stack so much damage into one skill that it becomes a universal answer to every situation
If THE GAME was actually designed properly then this would not be possible
Hence it is the fault of THE GAME and not THE PLAYERS.
Are you genuinely moronic?
Well lets move these goal posts back to your original point. You were feebly bleating that D4 encourages you to max out 1 skill and spam it. D4 does not. You can only put 5 talent points in to the skill you wiener smoker. The skills have long cool down timers on them. The game was designed to make you use more than 1 skill.
I guess this must be your favorite game from your favorite dev team then.
I've never played Diablo 4 or even looked at a single clip of gameplay from it. I was speaking from my previous experience with the genre and expressing my distaste with it, and my desire for an isometric action RPG style game with a bigger focus on action and quick decision making, and intelligent use of a larger selection of skills, without abandoning the RPG parts.
blizz shills tongue my anus
Grey visuals this, microtransactions that, blah blah
What I want to know is: is this the type of arpg that you spend hours theorycrafting/building before you even start playing? Does it have a lot of different builds?
Here's your end game item and theorycrafting bro.
Damn, that's it? Disappointing
When you have "content creators" for diablo 4 milking additive vs multiplicative damage, you know it's over.
>get kicked out of game, says account locked
>look it up
>see post on Reddit of someone saying they got kicked out of a bossfight and they're upset because blizzard fricked up another launch
>Other redditors called him entitled
What an awful website
I hate redditors so much it's unreal
Any story spoilers?
just bought. which class should I play? I’m thinking sorc
Wow. Another non sense bashing 12yo. Ganker in a nutshell
the whole heckin diablo movie got posted on youtube
Pretty weak story. Especially the ending.
Should have had Inarius and Lilith teaming up as husband and wife to do shit. What a waste.
>watch some gameplay
>it's a guy standing still clicking his left mouse button 300 times
>he gets hit dozens of times
>doesn't even take damage
>some yellow item with 2 more DPS drops and he soys out completely because now he only has to left click 298 times to kill this boss next time
Whoah. Great game, I'm really sold.
It's literally impossible to die on tier 3 and below. Diablogays will go "b-but the game gets really good 500 hours in d00d!"
wow you must be so good
mind posting a vid of your clear of cathedral of light sub 45? and then a nightmare dungeon at vet on 50?
or were you in a 4 man group, trivializing everything?
>wow you must be so good
I know, thanks
>or were you in a 4 man group, trivializing everything?
Of course I am, I'm going to be top 1000 and get my name on the statue unlike you shitter, lmao shut up boomer you should be glad they didn't add PvP yet because I would destroy your ass Kappa PogChamp
>blizzcucks still haven't implemented targeted farming
But why, Grim Dawn has it, Nioh has it MHW has it.
Why do I need to pray to rng gods to get a drop that enables my build, instead I have to adapt my build to the drops itself.
D3 also was like this.
Grim Dawn is so fricking good bros. I've been playing this past few months to get hyped for D4 initially but it ended up being the genre best and utterly ruined D4 for me.
Because ungodly poor RNG is the main way incompetent devs introduce artificial variety and prevent everybody from running around with the exact same build, without actually having to balance anything.
Funny that you'd mention MH since it does the exact same thing.
I'm playing World right now and until now I haven't seen such a thing, if I wanted an armour set I'll just kill the monster a few times until I've got it.
The only rng stuff I came across are the decorations.
That's pretty much what I mean, the endgame stuff with terrible rates (charms, decos, Kulve relics, etc) are intended to force you to "work with what you have" and adapt your build around it but because the devs are shit you usually just end up with one player being way stronger than another because of pure dumb luck
>endgame
that's gonna take a while for me, I'm still HR 13 with 70h played and I'm mostly hunting around instead of progressing the main quest.
Isn't it hilarious this shit releases during homosexual month also summer when most kids get out of school
kids don't play boomer tier shit like blizz garbage, only the few remaining blizz drones play this trash
And ?
Actual questions, are enemies scaled? I feel like enemies are getting harder to kill even in areas I've been to before. t. first time player
when do i get my horse
Need ultimate edition + premium battlepass
Yes they scale with your level and weapon level. So anytime you level up or get better gear it's literally meaningless.
What the frick is the point in grinding then?
>enemy too hard? OK let me level up. Oh it's the same.
>Yes they scale with your level and weapon level. So anytime you level up or get better gear it's literally meaningless.
so no reason to grind at all . what the frick
Welcome to blizzard game design. All style, no substance.
even with the horse, moving from place to place is extremely slow, now imagine spending 2 to 5 minutes every time you wanna do a dungeon in the endgame
Complete Act 4.
So anyway I played grim dawn, a bit of PoE, van helsing, what do you guys think of Last Epoch?
I am interested in trying it out, but i'm too much of a poorgay to throw 70 bucks at a game when that can be used to feed me for 2-3 weeks of groceries.
>Equip skill modifier that reduces all cooldowns with each spender skill hit
>Dash to get into horde of enemies
>Use shadow imbuement
>Use spender skill
>Kill enemy with spender skill (also explodes for max damage thanks to shadow imbuement)
>Shadow imbuement is reset
>Dash is reset
>Inner sight activates after dealing high damage (infinite resource)
>Spam shadow imbuement
>Spam spender skill
>Spam dash
>Practically have infinite resource and zero cooldowns for the remainder of the fight
Anyone complaining about "slow" gameplay is doing it wrong
Chuds mad while I'm enjoying Diablo IV. 🙂
I want to suck on Liliths tiddies
i just started but so far feels exactly like diablo 3, just less classes.
It's literally Lost ark but without big titty waifus and with shitty looking spells and a shitton less content. Not gonna talk about the non existant balance, the boring gameplay, the shit story, the shop and battelpasses despite it being a 70$ AAA release and the fact that legendaries are more common than commons items. What were blizzard thinking, why not just rip off Path of Exile if you're gonna rip something off? This doesn't even feel like diablo, it' feels like some shitty low budget kmmo clone.
I played the game most of the day yesterday
surprised shitposters haven't discovered the shoehorned lesbian couple
bull shit, post it so I can laugh
they ride off on the horse into the sunset.
I guess the setting is pretty fitting as long as they end up going to hell for being dykes
woke shit doesn't matter, it's par for the course with blizzard
the actual fundamental gameplay for diablo 4 isn't good, it's a travesty
If they're hot then it's fanservice.
>game is 70 dollars and yet still filled to the brim with micro transactions, battle pass and other garbage specifically designed to milk the consumer in as many ways as possible
>bro you're just poor lol, wym you don't love wasting money??
imagine actually shilling for a company as dogshit as current year blizzard
Not even $70, it's $90 if you want to play today rather than Monday. They literally are making $70 player not play on the weekend. So not even scummy like making early access be Tuesday and Friday be release, no, they're making Friday be early access and Monday be release. Because frick people.
The fun thing is that could be a double edged sword: Some people could watch the streams and refund.
A company that fricked multiple games in sequence
It's funny how Starcraft 2 was such a massive blunder that even people who criticize Blizzard don't remember to bring up
"Turn your product into a cult"
God modern gaming fricking sucks
>$28 for a store armor set
>It's also locked to a Single Class
And people complain about PoE's MTX prices.
I've watched Lirik's stream for 15 minutes. He curbstomps some guy named Elias several times in a row except he plays Necro and the contrast is non existent so I have no idea what's going on except he has teal skeletons and some blizzard spell.
is there a single (one) ((1)) thing that changed since the beta? I fricking hated the beta
It's the same thing except now you can stack 800% more multipliers on the skill that you were using.
Kneejerk reactions to some of the best builds during the beta, doesn't matter because everything is still broken in endgame, game is going to have torment 25+ with this kind of shitty balancing