They are going to frick her up in the localization aren't they? They are going to totally make her into a transwoman, for frick sake PLEASE keep the gamecube dialogue with this character
They are going to frick her up in the localization aren't they?
have a nice day
Goodness. I know it's Ganker and the argument they brought up is nonsense, but that's pretty pathetic, man. Got to be better than that.
kys
It's over anon, if it was a remaster but it's a remake. It already has a new troonylation.
And people wonder why I don't want Mother 3 to get an official localization.
Making him a troony isn't true to the japanese version, unless he has dialogue that shows otherwise, he is at best a crossdressing femboy.
His*
Vivian is a boy. There's absolutely no ambiguity here.
I can't read everything here, but I can read the part that says "cute otokonoko"
It really is completely unambiguous. Vivian is male.
>otokonoko
so a trap
the only difference between a trap/femboy and trans is if the person just likes looking feminine but accepts themselves as a boy; vs the latter which actually wants to identify as a girl
The description in the page doesn't establish which is the case for Vivan
well what is Beldan bullying Vivian for?
hi anon, "otokonoko" 男の子 just means "boy" not trap.The "trap" pun is created using the kanji for daughter 男の娘. That description is written in katakana, which is phonetic.
Which one is likely to happen Ganker?
>Keep the gamecube dialogue with little to no changes
>Make them actually a femboy like the JP version and rework all the changes
>Turn vivian into a transwoman
Nintendo rebuked those trannies who tried to claim that squid character, so it really feels like a tossup. Could go any way. No matter which way it goes though, trannies will try to claim that they won and that you just can't read subtext if you disagree.
No way to the troony one, they might go with the Jap one for mental illness brownie points from these people though.
Making Vivian a normal boy would make trannies seethe like nothing else in history ever has. They've been insisting for decades that Vivian is "trans coded". They already vandalized and locked all of the wikis in prepration for this.
I could see them arguing he's a crossdresser even though he's wearing just a hat and gloves.
Like that programmer socks meme, a programmer hat heck it's even striped.
Trannies wouldn't argue that, they'd get pissed at anyone who supports crossdressers. Look at how they attacked Bridget and literally sent death threats to Japanese artists who drew Bridget and tagged it with "otokonoko". Trannies seethe at crossdressers and femboys like no other group.
>Trannies wouldn't argue that, they'd get pissed at anyone who supports crossdressers.
Imagine actually thinking this is what happens.
the entire bridget shitshow turned femboys into pariahs within online LGBT spaces
it's literally happening in this thread. it happened in literally every single bridget thread. it happened when hundreds of trannies sent death threats to japanese artists who drew bridget and tagged the picture with crossdresser and otokonoko. you can stop gaslighting now you horrible freak.
>who is astolfo, bridget, chihiro, naoto, urushibara, vivian, ... ...
the troony most in-tune with reality, everyone
I love making trannies and femboys absolutely mald by going out of my way to call trannies "femboys" and femboys "trannies. It works practically every time.
They already changed a couple lines such as Bowser saying "LUNKHEAD!" instead of "AIRHEAD!!!" and adding the detail that Goombella is a junior at Goom University as opposed to simply a student. Small changes but it implies something has a chance of happening.
Goombella's now a cannon horny college student, huh?
she was in the original
She legit almost confesses her love for Mario in the end.
Why did they even change Airhead? What makes lunk more politically correct?
There's a medical condition that the term is considered offensive towards.
Because lunkhead fits better than airhead.
It's the difference between calling someone a moron instead of saying they spaced out.
>Goombella is a junior at Goom University
Nice. Underage Nintendo schizos can't harrass artists for lewding goombella anymore.
I know it's common for people to do that in general but were people really doing that with Goombella specifically?
They do that to literally any character without a confirmed age. There are hunting squads organized around getting as many artists as possible banned.
Probably. Twitter is infested w/ clout chasing underages who try and dog pile NSFW artists as is, already. When you throw Nintendo into the mix you also get autistic tendies too.
Goombella always said she was a university student so her age should've never been in question. If people thought you were weird it would be for wanting to frick a goomba, not cause that goomba is underage.
Did they change "airhead" to "lunkhead" because they thought the original was offensive to women?
Goombella says she's a Junior in the original too
t. have played through the game like a hundred times
Look at
, she only says "student".
Option 4
>Play it safe by having zero mention of gender
so, option 1?
Should split the difference and make her a ftm
Playing ball with insane ideology isn't splitting the difference. It's absolute capitulation.
think of the heckin trans kids chud
Is there even any of that in the localization?
No, not at all. Not in the original text either. There is absolutely nothing "trans" about the character. He's a boy in Japan and a girl in America. He was only changed in America because witch hats and the color purple were seen as too feminine for boys so they altered him.
And we're 100% sure he doesn't have any text referring to himself as female?
Not one. And the game itself calls him "a cute boy" in Japanese text. Vivian does insist that he wants to be one of the Shadow Sisters, but that has nothing to do with gender identities and everything to do with not wanting to be pushed out of his own family by his sisters.
>Vivian does insist that he wants to be one of the Shadow Sisters
That's enough for these infections to work with.
anon... this sounds like he was written to be a troony character to me
No, it doesn't.
homosexual
there isn't, but even if there was that wouldn't mean much. crossdressers, traps and feminine men have been using wordplay since as long as they've been around. tons of trap characters who blatantly identify as men will say things like "i'm a girl at heart" or refer to themselves as women in a cheeky way despite knowing it's not true. of course trannies ruin all nuance and wordplay by trying to make that shit about gender identity when it's literally just playful teasing.
But remember these people are totally mentally stable!
Sounds like a win for everyone
>troony's first instinct is to kill themselves.
news today at 11.
Their one skill.
It is insane that they have gotten their way by doing this stupid shit
It's not that they're getting their way. It's that Larry Fink at Blackrock is getting his way, and they're just along for the ride because they fell for the brainwashing.
I have it on good authority that Larry Fink has a troony fetish
>erases
???
In EN Vivian is just a girl.
In JP Vivian is just a boy.
They are asking for a rewrite.
please god let it happen it would be fricking funny.
Nobody will fricking miss you, go join the other 51% of your fellow failures
Frick yeah, he should do it.
>Nintendo literally just has to keep the English dialogue the same for trannies to lose their shit
God I hope they don't frick up, this could be hilarious.
nintendo removes troony shit
>I will kill myself in front of everyone
bethesda adds troony shit
>WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>MIYAMOTO-KUN HERP THERE IS A BAKA GAIJIN COMMITTING SEPPUKU IN THE COMPANY HEADQUARTERS
it's 2023. you know the pozzed localization team will ruin it. look at Bridget in GG Jive.
This. They will make it gayer than it was in the JP.
These sorts of thing really do thoroughly ruin a character don't they
it's the worst kind of hell
I don't care. Vivian is cute.
>Troons are already starting a hashtag campaign for it
How predictable.
So many of them are coming out calling her trans on twitter and that NoA censoring it I fricking hate zoomers holyshit
Him*
What about "Is a boy but looks like a girl" is fricking trans? What?
trannies have been trying to pull this shit on crossdressers for decades. hell, they do it to tomboy characters with short hair too.
They
Are
Not
Well
>Who finally see her as female in the end
This is the first I've heard of this part.
Probably because it's a lie.
If you want to consider Vivian a boy, you must also exclusively refer to Bowser as "Koopa" and Rosalina as Rosetta
So long, gay Koopa.
Nah, I'm translation fluid :o)
>Nah, I'm translation fluid :o)
i tend to be like that too, somtimes[/spoiler[
>They are going to frick her up in the localization aren't they?
Trans Vivian is the original script, having that scrubbed was the frick-up.
Localization quality isn't based on how well it lines up with your politics, it's based on how well it communicates the original intentions.
I won't hear any argument about whether a trans character should exist. My only horse in this race is that stories shouldn't change any more than absolutely necessary when they get localized.
>Trans Vivian is the original script
Wrong.
No, the Italian localization is the only version where Vivian was even hinted at being a troony. In the original Japanese he's an unapologetic boy. He just happens to be purple and wear a cute hat. He's not even a crossdresser really.
The issue is that trannies literally don't exist. Crossdressing traps (Or wannabe traps) cannot become the opposite gender, no matter how hard they try.
Vivian isn't trans because no one is trans.
Absolutely spot on.
So you DON'T want faithful translations now?
I do. The trannies who want him to be a troony don't.
>uses atashi
that’s a troony
No, he isn't. The game explicitly calls him a cute boy.
Then a boy smooches Mario on multiple occasions.
What now, chud?
mama mia~!
Good? I'm not the chud here, you are. You want to destroy LGB characters because they contradict your grooming cult of conformity.
Kys freak no one will miss you
vivan uses atai/atashi first person pronouns
if vivan was a femboy the pronouns would be boku
birdo was a complete mistranslation
literally some guy making things up for flavor text
Tomboys use boku and femboys use atashi all the fricking time. Hell, even normal ass girls use boku if they even have a slightly outgoing personality. You're full of shit and have no idea how Japanese works as a language.
Picrel uses boku and trannies still insist he’s one of them anyway
I don't know, Giselle seems to have reason to deceive those soldiers by calling himself a girl. Vivian had no reason to try to deceive her own sisters.
The reason he said that is because the writers wanted to make a joke at his expense
Get it he wants to be lumped in with his sisters even though he’s a boy! Haha so funny
what is a otokonoko
TTYD never had a faithful translation
>implying i want any TRANSlation
Fat Vivian
Squishy purple belly!
Nintendo would never do something like that. And even if they did, it wouldn't even be true to Vivian's nature in the original Japanese version of Thousand-Year Door since she's basically a femboy in that version.
The fact you guys are so hooked on this trans stuff says more about all of you than it does about Nintendo, honestly. It's like what happened with Rivet from Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart: People didn't pay attention to the story of the game and actually believed she was trans.
It's pathetic how people are so obsessed with that sort of thing that they'd delude themselves like that.
>trans
please use the correct term (troony) going forward.
Reminder that if you want Vivian biologically female, you are cherrypicking which censorship is okay and isn't okay and are part of the problem with modern gaming.
Same if you want Vivian to be a troony.
The only morally correct desire for people with integrity is that Vivian stays absolutely male, as was originally intended.
Boipussy > troonypussy
They still haven't made Birdo a guy again since SMB2, I really doubt they'll be touching this one.
It's kinda insane how many people think they were transgender in the JP version, what the frick are these homosexuals on?
They live in echo chambers and reject anything that doesn't confirm their biases.
You live in an echo changer and reject anything that doesn't conform YOUR biases, though.
lots of tomboys use atashi, and lots of femboys use boku too iirc (like astolfo, the crossdresser from 13 sentinels aegis rim, more that I can't think of)
also I'm a girl and I use boku, but that's besides the point
>also I'm a girl and I use boku, but that's besides the point
You best not just be a weeb.
All that really means is it doesn't matter in the end.
>also i'm a girl
you know the rules
I think it'd be particularly amusing if the game's English dialogue surrounding Vivian remains exactly the same (while some dialogue elsewhere is changed, as Nintendo remakes have already done recently). It'd be Nintendo of America once again changing Vivian from a boy to a girl, but this time, we're all aware that it's for a completely different reason.
Doesn't this all stem from her sister saying she's so ugly that she (Beldam) thought Vivian was a man as a nasty joke
I don't think she was ever a guy or a troony.
No. He's explicitly male. Literally the Japanese text for Vivian's character description from Nintendo is "He's a cute boy who uses fire magic".
well going by that and this https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/920182-paper-mario-the-thousand-year-door/50205289
That's a guy referring to himself as a sister, so what the frick is that?
Because they're literally his sisters and they call themselves the shadow sisters. He wants acceptance from his family. He doesn't want to be a girl. Only incredibly tone deaf trannies would think that's evidence of him being a gender freak.
>He wants acceptance from his family.
Can you find evidence of this in the game script? Cause the "calling oneself a sister" theory is more plausible from my perspective.
Not ONCE has Vivian ever called herself a boy. Sure, everyone else has, but Vivian has NEVER once called herself male.
You don't have a perspective, you're just trying to push your political agenda and you're abusing femboys to do it.
Okay, let's keep a tally. This will be post number one where you've failed to find evidence in the game script. Will it be two?
You don't have a perspective, you're just trying to push your political agenda and you're abusing transgirls to do it.
There's no such thing as "transgirls". You're all men who got tricked into a cult.
>Can you find evidence of this in the game script?
the fact that his entire character arc is literally about being rejected then accepted by his sisters? are you fricking braindead?
The simpler theory is that her sisters bullied her because she had a boy's body and a girl's brain (though I have no idea how to even determine the sex of purple shadowy blobs to begin with), and they finally accepted her at the end of the story arc.
I would be willing to engage in discussion, but not if you insult me or simply say "im right youre wrong". I am not willing to listen to such remarks because they are not constructive and in fact would make me feel even more defensive.
There's nothing simple about your convoluted mental gymnastics to force troony ideology into a game that has no trannies.
you're the one not engaging in discussion. it was literally already proven to you that vivian is a guy. you're just going into denial and insisting that your headcanon matters more than in-game dialogue.
I'm not insulting anyone. I'm merely defending my beliefs, and I don't accept your argument that "she just wants to be part of a family" because she called herself a sister. A gendered term which clearly demonstrates that someone is female.
If you had two sisters, would you consider yourself part of the "three sisters" as well? See how ridiculous that sounds?
There are countless trap characters that refer to themselve as girls, claim to be women at heart, use cheeky teasing language and wordplay and none of that has ever meant that they identify as women or see themselves as anything but men. You are bending over backwards to enforce this troony bullshit onto any character that so much as looks cute because your ideology hates feminine men who don't hate themselves.
On top of all the other reasons why you're wrong, gender ideology wasn't a thing in Japan when Vivian was written. There was never such a thing as trannies back then, only crossdressing boys. Trannies are barely even a thing in Japan in modern day, and it's only because of people like you grooming and pushing your ideology into a nation that wanted nothing to do with you. You're trying to destroy both femboys and tomboys and any semblance of otokonoko culture.
>On top of all the other reasons why you're wrong, gender ideology wasn't a thing in Japan when Vivian was written. There was never such a thing as trannies back then, only crossdressing boys. Trannies are barely even a thing in Japan in modern day, and it's only because of people like you grooming and pushing your ideology into a nation that wanted nothing to do with you. You're trying to destroy both femboys and tomboys and any semblance of otokonoko culture.
You actually have no experience or context or any kind of knowledge about this
I do. You don't. That movie is a perfect example that prove me right. The okama character in that movie isn't a troony and he knows he's not a woman.
They made him trans in the English dub kek
he's right. you're a clueless moron.
>You actually have no experience or context or any kind of knowledge about this
I do, and he's absolutely correct. Japan accepts feminine men as men. They don't push them into becoming women over there. They have a respect for male beauty and pretty boys.
When does Vivian refer to herself as a boy?
>If you had two sisters, would you consider yourself part of the "three sisters" as well?
Yes, literally. I had sisters that played games where they were princesses and shit and I wanted to be included, too. I didn't see myself as a girl nor did I want to be a girl. I just wanted to be included. It's literally that simple with kids, but somehow you see it as an excuse to groom and mutilate children in real life and ruin characters in fiction.
You are upset over the fact that you did girly things as a kid and are projecting your crisis of masculinity onto a shadow blob thing. Vivian is trans. She's a shadow, you literally cannot tell. Seek the therapy and reassurance you need.
I'm upset over the fact that you're trying to force feminine male characters down an ideological path that preaches self hatred and self destruction over self acceptance.
again
this is about a shadow thing that has no visible genitalia to begin with
you're not fooling anyone with your "muh nippon" spiel
This is about an explicitly male character that you're trying to thrust troony ideology onto because you hate the idea of any man accepting himself and loving his own feminine tendencies. You want everybody like that to be riddled with self hatred and self doubt so they join cult. You can't stand the thought of a positive role model for feminine men ever existing, because that might lead to self acceptance one day and then you won't be able to "crack" your "eggs".
>still using muh japan
and i'm still not buying it
nonsensical ad hominem
I didn't mention Japan. Your ideology is evil everywhere it goes and it affects me personally. You're a groomer who wants feminine men to hate themselves so they join your cult.
>stating the obvious is ideology
>saying you care way too much about this, suspiciously so, even, is ideology
ok buddy
The obvious is that Vivian is a boy because the game calls him a boy. You're bending over backwards looking for an excuse to call him a troony.
Trannies are boys
i'm so proud of you for finally validating ftms (who are like 1/3 of all trannies)
ywnbam femoid
You JUST said trannies are boys, which I interpret as "all trannies are boys"
trannies arent just trans women, they include trans men too
sure you're throwing trans women under the bus, but at least you're being somewhat of an ally
Black person are you moronic
1) that wasnt me
2) i called your ass a pooner cause you clearly a self hating femoid. get the frick back to your containment board
>nonsensical ad hominem
no point in making an attempt at convincing you when ur that far deep.
you're really dropping that mask now, groomer.
neither a groomer or trans 🙂
get the gock out of your mouth and the kids out of your basement
You are a groomer. Your behavior in this thread is grooming by definition.
not everybody is a self hating bigot like you, troony. some people are okay being feminine males or masculine females. your inability to comprehend that shows how captured you are by a hate cult.
>literally everything in the game calls him a boy including the official manual
>BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT MY HEADCANON IS MORE IMPORTANT
the frick
>Not ONCE has Vivian ever called herself a boy. Sure, everyone else has (including Goombella and even the fricking manual), but Vivian has NEVER once called herself male.
This samegay is putting in quite a shift trying to make it seem like Vivian being male is a widely held belief. Enjoy being stuck in this thread for another 440 posts.
Frick off back to resetera
goombella literally says vivan is a cute boy in the jap version and even gets mad at him for being flirty with mario
What does Vivian say Vivian is in the Japanese version
She calls herself 三姉妹, which means "three sisters".
It's really this simple.
By calling herself and her family "three sisters", she is implying that she is one of the three sisters. Meaning that she thinks of herself as a girl.
it's really that simple yet I've had to argue with morons all they because they're stubborn and don't listen. They will tell you cope such as "he just wants to be part of a family", but if that was the case, Vivian would have said カゲ三人組 (shadow TRIO) or even カゲ三兄弟 (three siblings).
He calls himself a boy, the other characters call him a boy and the in-game descriptions call him a boy. You're absolutely in denial over this.
It's simple: Goombella is a transphobe.
even from their bizarro point of view, if that scenario played out wouldn't that make them straight.
>for frick sake PLEASE keep the gamecube dialogue with this character
They won't, get fricked homosexual.
She already was a troony you dumb Black person
>her
Vivian is a man with a fat purple wiener
>Paper Mario fans
https://x.com/Fawfulthgreat64/status/1702358919526449296?s=20
Why does Paper Mario attract this
How does somebody have the confidence to put themselves out in the world looking like that, I swear to God
They're a narcissist, that's how. That thing also being a troony didn't clue you in?
Apologize for making me watch that shit.
The original Paper Mario is my most cherished Nintendo game and the franchise might just have their most embarrassingly autistic fanbase that isn't Pokemon.
And it's the absolute unholy trinity of autist subspecies too: furry, troony, niche property.
I fricking hate it.
who fricking cares, I like vidya and basically everyone here is a massive homosexual and I don't let that bother me. getting mad that people you don't like also like the same thing as you is simply the most autistic thing a person can do
Reducing everything into a who cares the least contest contest is a homosexualy way to show you've taken a side but know professing it is bad optics.
I care about the kind of people who enjoy something I like because it dictates the kind of discussion I can have about it as well as impacts the development of any further entries because they cater to said scum.
You dense Black persontroony.
no me saying who cares if other people like the same thing is me not being an autistic homosexual who gets upset by people visibly enjoying the same thing as me. fanbases are always shit, no matter what. to get mad at this is to get mad that the sky is blue, or that you suck wiener.
>who cares if other people like the same thing is me not being an autistic homosexual who gets upset by people visibly enjoying the same thing as me
Trannies aren't people, passivity isn't a virtue, you will never be a woman.
ok and your race will die out because no woman will ever have sex with you. your line ends with you crying about men in dresses on a videogame forum
>They are going to totally make her into a transwoman,
PLEASE YES HOLY FRICK
thatd be so hot
>Keep the OG translation and keep Vivian female in the states
Ganker is pro-censorship when it's convenient
>Make Vivian trans
/v is pro-censorship when it's convenient
>Make Vivian male
Mario has a gay kiss and doesn't dislike it
I'm so excited, no matter what happens, it's going to set off a fricking nuke here.
If Japan Vivian doesn't think of herself as a girl, what is the source of conflict with Bedlam?
He's prettier than his ugly sisters and his sisters don't want him hanging around because he's younger and doesn't fit into their Shadow Sisters club by virtue of not being a girl.
This is a NINTENDO remake.
They're not going to change a single letter from the original script. Too much work.
They already did
Nevermind, theyre changing pointless shit
MONKEY
PAW'D
AGAIN
vivians story is about 2 trannies and a femboy with the trannies being mad at vivian for not choppin' his dick off
In reality with all the troony shit these days ninendo won't actually change anything, Vivian will be a girl in the west with no hint of troonyism
Cute belly, she should eat me after I use a mini mushroom
based preygay
honestly this is how you know v has fallen
i agree more with the voregays than the gays raging about a hypothetical troony in a game from 20 years ago
>Ganker...has fallen
you are on the reddit board anon
troonysisters… I’ll panic and freak out from my dysphoria if Vivian is not confirmed to be trans.
what if nintendo pulls a sylvando
it would be so hot if they made her a troon
No, she's like Birdo where any gag mention of her being a boy is now completely thrown out officially. Based as frick honestly. she's only good as a girl.
this
the only people saying otherwise just have a troon femboy fetish
So is Ganker just doomposting or are we fricked?
Given the state of modern localization, and the fact that at least one script change has already been confirmed, there's a good chance that we're fricked.
Back to twitter. No one gives a frick.
Was there ever any indication they weren't going to re-use the GameCube version's script?
lol chuds are going to scream woke MARIO when she comes out trans XD
i thought otokonoko was just a trap or some shit. whats the argument for vivian being a troony?
>whats the argument for vivian being a troony?
there isn't one. trannies are just trying to enforce their headcanon with pigheaded denial of reality.
At the very least, Vivian is trans in the Italian version of the game.
That's at the very most you mean. Italian is the only localization that did that, and it's not canon.
>one localization is not canon while the others are
players don't get to decide what's canon and what's not
just like when bridget was revealed to be a girl with developers providing evidence and testimony
and people are STILL in denial about it a year later
I’m not in denial it’s just bullshit
Developers don't get to retcon canon 20 years after the fact. Bridget is a boy, remains a boy and will always be a boy.
agree trans bridget is dumb, that is literally exactly how retcons work though
Nope. If Gabe Newell told you tommorrow that Gordon Freeman is black and has always been black, would you believe him? Would you start referring to Gordon Freeman as if he were black? No, you wouldn't. Because that would be stupid.
>i don't know what a retcon is
>i don't know what reality is
Developers and authors can't rewrite actual literal history. They can't change the past in reality. If they wrote a character to be a white man, drew him as a white man and advertised him as a white men they can't pretend he was always black. Reality is unchanging no matter many liars there are in the world.
>gordon freeman had michael jackson's skin condition, but really he's black
done, retcon goes through
Nope. Not to me, because I have integrity and can see through blatant lies. You can't abuse me into abandoning the truth. Every lie you tell me makes me stronger and more convinced that I'm right.
>you are correct
thanks
>trap character wants to be a part of a sisterhood but they reject him
It's not hard to read between the lines here, really. Maybe he just wants a family. Maybe he wants to be a woman. I don't care. It is a fact though that the subtext is extremely close to trans philosophy.
>Maybe he wants to be a woman
That isn't even on the table.
>It is a fact though that the subtext is extremely close to trans philosophy.
No, it's not.
>that isn't on the table
oh sorry I didn't Mr Nintendo himself was here. good thing we've got THE man here who can tell us how to interpret things, god forbid things be open ended.
Assuming that Vivian might be a troony solely because he doesn't say he's not a troony is like me insisting that Mario is a communist because he doesn't say he's not a communist. You're projecting and your sole argument in favor of your projection is that the character himself didn't refute you.
you lacking media literacy doesn't mean I'm wrong anon
>media literacy
>for a fricking mario game
that's the most pathetic part. they can't even accurately get a read on a videogame written for LITERAL children. it's pretty funny
anon a nintendo game isn’t going to have trannies in it
even the magypsies in mother 3 were only drag queens
It isn't? What evidence definitively removes it from the conversation?
The game and every character in the game refers to Vivian as a boy. Your next line is going to be "BUT DOES VIVIAN LOOK AT THE CAMERA AND SAY "I'M A TRANSGENDERED WOMAN? NO? THEN MAYBE HE IS ONE".
That is not a valid argument. The burden of proof is on YOU. And there isn't a shred of it to make the troony bullshit sound plausible.
You're right, they do refer to Vivian as a boy. All I said was that the subtext of a cute feminine boy wanting to belong to a sisterhood and learning to deal with rejection is definitely a trans-adjacent subtext. I never denied that he's a boy at all. You need to take a sip of water and relax man. Get some air.
>learning to deal with rejection is definitely a trans-adjacent subtext
No, it's not. Trannies don't deal with rejection. Trannies are only trannies because they get groomed in a discord. Actual feminine men have to deal with rejection because they're brave. Trannies are just cowards who try to run from social stigma by pretending to be something they aren't.
What the frick is this post?
Is it supportive of trannies by saying they don't deal with being male and rejected from female spaces and roles?
Is it just plain gay by focusing on "brave feminine men"?
anons realized people just laughed at the idea of white people being erased so now the trans menace is actually after the sweet sweet innocent femboys.
>acting like trannies aren’t constantly crying about muh trans genocide
wowee anon it turns out people take the accusations of genocide more seriously when there are tangible things you can point at to make that case
ah yes the tangible things such as bills being passed that protect children from mutilating themselves and florida giving the death penalty for pedophiles
if only the child bride havers would move to florida, that'd be a real problem solver.
I agree. What now, homosexual?
>what now homosexual
I laugh at you at being a pointlessly confrontational moron over even something like agreeing with someone. leave the Ganker bubble anon
I’m clearly the confrontational one here when you’re the one continuing to make snide remarks. Thanks for admitting that the trans genocide thing is all over not being able to groom kids btw.
Trans genocide is happening, it's good that it is, and I am contributing to it.
No, you missed the point. Trannies groom people in discords. They're surrounded by constant positive reinforcement and reassurance at all times. Because it's a cult. It's not a real identity. It's not a real sexuality. It's not a real lifestyle. It's just a cult, plain and simple. Nobody who's in a cult could be described as a person who faces rejection. They faced rejection BEFORE they joined the cult, which is probably why they were taken in by its false promises. But once in the cult they get coddled and manipulated so they will never leave.
>trannies groom people in discords
listen man if you're going into trans discords seeking to talk about transitioning you were already on the fence. if I go into a walmart and ask where the bread is, was I groomed into being a bread eater? why do rightoids think people's entire sexualities can change from exposure to these things exactly?
So you admit they DO face rejection from society and female roles/spaces?
eh, not really. the mentally sane ones tend to make cis female friends just fine, esp in canada
Yeah, as feminine men. So they turn to the troony cult. But feminine men who STAY feminine men and overcome those stigmas are people worth of existence. Trannies are just cowards.
>All I said was that the subtext of a cute feminine boy wanting to belong to a sisterhood and learning to deal with rejection is definitely a trans-adjacent subtext
That's just you projecting. It's also incredibly vague. It would be like me saying "this story is about overcoming obstacles. that's a civil rights adjacent topic". Like what the frick man, get some perspective.
>if I just ignore the incredibly obvious subtext it isn't there
this is why you guys are mocked for being media illiterate
Is it though??? I mean, just think about it for a second. A story about a feminine boy longing to belong to a sisterhood, and facing rejection from that is vague and me projecting? Those are just the facts of the original JP story. I don't give a shit about trannies and their psychosis, but you've got to be obtuse if you don't see how that's interpreted as trans ideology.
Male character. Calls himself male. Is called male by every other character. Does nothing to indicate that he wants to be a woman.
You're just delusional.
You're the one who's spewing the same line hundreds of time unwilling to learn from anyone who poses any opinion to the contrary. Seems like you're the delusional one!
>calls himself male
He calls their trio sisters (姉妹). And you're right, he is called male by the other characters. This is why he's corrected by Beldam on the usage of "sister". So why would he call himself a sister if he truly deep down thought of himself as a male? Either he's spacy, or there's a complicated identity issue there for him. Don't speak so definitively if you lack the evidence
you're asking too much of these people
>trans-adjacent subtext
>using these words unironically
have you never thought about a piece of media before in your life?
“trans-adjacent subtext” doesn’t make you sound as smart as you think you are when it’s just word fluff to describe your own personal projection
sorry you can't handle even slightly surface level observations about a singular cutscene in the game anon
If it were a surface level observation you wouldn’t have a thread full of people calling you a moron.
>thread full
The delusion is next level
have you considered you're all wrong
No one likes to admit that they're wrong on Ganker. It's just the culture. It's probably because it's mostly men, and men tend to be quite arrogant compared to women
I can't believe discussing Mario dialogue is too much for this anon. That's so sad
You're 100% right, but trannies are going to gaslight you into thinking that not accepting their blatant headcanon means you missed something.
What else would you call it? It's not exactly trans ideology, so it's adjacent. It's only implied in the text and not stated, so it's subtext. Does big word make brain hurt anon?
troony ideology invasive is what I'd call it. Your bigot ideology has no place in stories about feminine men struggling with the problems that feminine men face. This is literally appropriation on your part.
these guys couldn't give a basic analysis about The Very Hungry Caterpillar. asking them to confront the existence of subtext is too much
>censor a crossdressing character
>keep these lines in
What did Nintendo of America mean by this
feet sniffing doesn’t go against esrb
they know what we like
Was it in the original jap version?
Peculiar random change.
wait is that not carpet but red marble floors? why is it reflective
Why would a prison have carpeting?
it's the same ground used throughout most of the castle, and it's red like most generic carpets. didn't look like a hard reflective surface to me anyway, can't just be me
When I was kid, I actually couldnt see the red key because it hide in the floor
I’m more interested in the japanese text changes now
https://tcrf.net/Paper_Mario:_The_Thousand-Year_Door/Regional_Differences#Vivian
men can absolutely be airheads too
no moron when the remake comes out what will be changed in the japanese text
Who the mother frick cares if this shit isn't going to affect the gameplay? It's not like you're going to be forced to suck vivian's troony wiener in a 20 minute action command for every single fricking attack
you think overwatch gameplay changed when mccree got renamed to cassidy? when half the cast was called gay all of a sudden?
You gays are just looking for shit to get mad at, no better than twitter.
what
gender
does
vivian
says
he/she
is
He says he's a boy. So does every other character in the game as well as the instruction manual.
You have to provide proof that Vivian called herself a boy (like Astolfo did in that screenshot you post all the time), otherwise your argument isn't sound
nah he really doesn't. you're implying that a character has to look at the camera and say "i'm not trans" to not be considered trans. that's not the case. the buren of proof is all on trannies, and there is no proof anywhere that vivian is a troony. so trannies cannot have a valid argument here.
she called herself a sister
that's literally all I have to say
then you don't have an argument. he wants to be a member of the shadow sisters group. that would be like me saying i want to be a sister of battle because i like warhammer 40k. it doesn't mean i want to be a woman, it means i want to join a group that consists of women.
the shadow sirens and the warhammer thing are not even remotely comparable, though
the shadow trio would be sufficient as a group name if that's all vivian cared about
but vivian called herself a girl (by calling herself a sister)
>but vivian called herself a girl (by calling herself a sister)
shit, i guess that means this guy is also trans despite consistently referring to himself as male
male nuns are fricking hot and based , but you're steering this off topic
Vivian profile:
"カゲ三人組の一人だった"
(Translation: formerly one of the shadow trio)
so they did go by the shadow trio until Vivian left the group
That profile also says he's a cute boy. You can't use it as proof for your argument when it inherently contradicts you.
That was the game calling Vivian a boy, not Vivian calling HERSELF a boy.
>trying to cherrypick evidence from literally the same sentence while rejecting the rest that disagrees with you
peak delusional holy frick
The game called Vivian a guy. Everyone else calls Vivian a guy. Yet Vivian never called herself a guy. She considers herself one of the shadow sisters, to which her sisters get mad at. She responds timidly, "ごめんなさい", because she dared to call herself a girl and get called out by her sisters.
you don't have an argument. you're literally saying "so what if literally every single thing in the game and outisde the game and every single japanese artist calls vivian a boy. vivian didn't turn to the camera and says he's not trans and that all trannies are groomers, so he must be trans". you're just forcing your headcanon.
The group isn't called the Shadow Trio. It's called the Shadow Sisters because it's comprised of two sisters. He just wants to join their group because he's their brother and has no friends and just wants to be included, he's not trying to rename them. You're seriously trying way too hard for force this bullshit.
Next you're going to tell me that Splinter is trans species because he's part of the ninja turtles gang despite being a rat.
Isn't he a human turned into a rat half the time? Sounds like he changed species.
That depends on if the sisters didn't botch the introduction by mentioning the trio part early. The fan translation earlier in the thread has Beldam getting mad about "trio" not being emphasized, but Marilyn is the one who says "the three" before Vivian can say anything, so Vivian is possibly stuck with a botched introduction no matter what.
moron the source of all traps calls himself all sorts of female terms but he’s not a troony either, it’s part of the trope
Hopefully it'll get leaked early so I know whether to buy it or not
The japanese version has script changes but I didn’t save the image. Does anyone have it?
This? Found it on the archive. That's interesting to see.
>Japanese script also changed
Oh Vivian is gonna be 100000% trooned out, without a single shadow of doubt.
Hope they change Vivian's backstory completely just to piss them off
The key is to look at Vivian's Japanese dialogue and speech patterns in different parts of the script throughout the game, including the ending, and seeing how people refer to Vivian at those points of the story as well. That will best clarify whether Vivian is just trying to seek acceptance from the other Shadows or if Vivian considers himself a woman as a opposed to a bishonen homosexual.
and what's the conclusion derived from that?
That Vivian is just a bishonen homosexual. There's zero indication of gender confusion on his part.
she literally called herself a SISTER. of course there's gender confusion
He says he wants to join the shadow sisters. Because those are his literal sisters. God you are fricking stupid.
And yet you're the ones who refuses to see the very basic fact that the word "sister" is gendered.
あたい (a childish shorthand for あたし) has never ONCE been used as a male pronoun
that's pretty hot
How come eveyone missed the point of him being a crossdresser/femimne man was because he's literally a demon? It doesn't have positive connotations.
why can't they just leave the tomboys and traps alone
Because tomboys and traps prove that gender ideology is a false theory. If it's possible for anybody to accept themselves as a feminine man or masculine woman, that means it's possible for everyone to accept themselves as they were born.
The only world "transgender" can exist is one in which a man enjoying feminine hobbies is a clear indication of him being "born with a female brain". If there are any men who do feminine stuff but don't call themselves women, that theory falls apart because it makes it clear that "gender coded hobbies" are a bunch of bull and anybody can enjoy anything without altering their bodies or personas.
where does it end honestly
the people who seem to buy into this are the ones that are so disgusted by current societal norms that they jump through hoops to buy into the very same societal norms only inversely related
instead of 'you are X so you must act like X' it's now 'you act like Y so you must be Y'
like shit i grew up with sisters and no brothers so i ended up doing a lot of girly things when i was a boy but hell im still a guy
and if that were to happen these years later i'd have people saying that i was actually a girl all along or some shit
what kind of moronation is this
transexuals are mentally ill people who have mental imbalances
that's different than people who like girly homosexualy things
stop watching fox news
Holy frick do you groomers ever get tired of gaslighting? How the frick do you live with yourself?
the mere existence of tomboys and traps invalidates transgender theory.
I just like spunky women.
same. they should be encouraged, not told to mutilate themselves for a fad.
I don't get it. I just don't get it. I don't get why you would want to change the perspective of biological sex by gender roles. If a girl acts masculine, we get a tomboy, and that's that. That's the end of that. I don't understand the harm AT ALL in calling her a woman still. And there's even the more moronic concept of non-binary, like what is that? What is the point? No matter what you do, you're going to fall on the spectrum of either being masculine or feminine. If you somehow manage androgyny, lo and behold, you fooled yourself into the more feminine side of the spectrum.
Like WHAT IS THE POINT
For the girls a lot of them struggle with the pressure of feminimity. They think they can stop being compared to other girls if they pretend to not be girls. Feeling not pretty enough and always comparing yourself to others is rough, I know that first hand.
For the guys it's mostly internalized homophobia. They're afraid of being called gays for liking things society has deemed homosexual, so they try to make excuses for it. They've been tricked into thinking that society will readily accept that men can become women even though it would be way easier to get society to accept that men are allowed to wear makeup and shit.
>accept that men are allowed to wear makeup and shit
men would still never normalize wearing skirts and dresses though in public, so it would be a lot easier to transition if you want to wear cute girl-coded clothes
>Feeling not pretty enough and always comparing yourself to others is rough
trans girls struggle with the pressure of femininity too. if they pass (and yes, a minority do pass), then their lives obviously become a lot better. then again, regardless of whether they pass or not, they'll always compare themselves to others, other trans girls and cis girls.
Self acceptance is a long and tough battle no matter who you are, and there aren't any shortcuts. Nobody's life has ever been improved by adopting a fake identity to hide from society's stigmas, and claiming that long hair and makeup turns a man into a woman is just a roundabout way of agreeing with the idea that men aren't allowed to have long hair or wear makeup. You're not happy with the mold that society forces men into, so you're trying to force yourself into the mold society made up for women. Either way, you're rigidly conforming to something that can only make you miserable, because both of them are inherently at odds with your true self as an individual. Not only will you end up destroying your body by going down this path, but you're also harming everybody else who doesn't live up to society's outdated stereotypes. The depression you felt from falling short of societal notions of manhood will pale in comparison to the depression you feel when you fully realize that you'll never be a woman, and your attempt to reject your true sex just reinforces the stereotypes that made you miserable in the first place and pushes them onto people like me, making our lives that much harder and robbing us of what little social acceptance we currently have. The only way society will ever get better for feminine men and masculine women is if people learn to stand tall and contradict stereotypes directly. To prove to the world that men can be beautiful and elegant, that women can be hairy and strong, that there's no shame in being different and that the solution to damaged self esteem is never to mold ourselves to society's prejudices. What you're doing is the equivalent of attempting to sidestep the need for the civil rights by saying "this is too hard, it would be easier if I just identified as white to escape racism"
You've posted this like five times already. Do you never get tired of this? Either way, I'm just going to hide this post.
>the troony recoils in horror at objective truth
It's almost cute how he doesn't realize his self-acceptance spiel would fall apart the second someone told him "Okay, but I'm a woman."
"But you're a man."
"I have accepted myself, and I am a woman. It is you who does not accept me."
You're literally not a woman. You're a man who went into denial. You are lying to yourself. Objectively. This isn't even up for debate, a male cannot become a female. A man cannot become a woman. You should accept reality instead of trying to cast it out.
a: not actually trans
b: you're resembling that remark something hard bro
You lost the argument.
declaring you won the argument doesn't mean you actually did
You broke character and couldn't think of a reply. You lost. Trannies don't accept themselves and you just admitted it here for everybody to see. troony ideology is built on the rejection of self, not the acceptance of self.
declaring you won the argument doesn't mean you actually did
honestly, this
idiots on Ganker (yes I'm finally starting to name call, no thanks to you people who've insulted me at least five times already) are absolutely stubborn and refuse to believe that they could ever be wrong, in a formal debate club environment, they would absolutely get btfo'd
>idiots on Ganker (yes I'm finally starting to name call, no thanks to you people who've insulted me at least five times already)
You already lost the debate you asked for in an earlier thread. I remember you, you absolute coward. You demanded a debate and when somebody posted something you couldn't refute you said "I'm not reading that, bye".
Don't act like we didn't all see that shit, you fricker.
i saw it, too.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/650785280/#q650789446
declaring you won the argument doesn't mean you actually did
also, what you wrote was completely biased, and had NOTHING to do with vivian's gender
I'll go into the archive and copy it for you so you can dodge the argument again.
"Gender" is a theory, and it's an entirely unfounded one. Nobody can have a "gender identity" because "gender" as a concept is false and built on bigoted, sexist stereotypes. Propagating those ideas harms people like me and society as a whole while marginalizing its most vulnerable members, nobody has the right to "identify" as a sex or race that isn't their own. A man claiming to be a woman because he wears makeup is just as harmful and offensive as an American claiming to be Japanese because he watches anime, or a white person claiming to "racially identify" as black because he listens to rap. It's only possible to tear down racist and sexist stereotypes by contradicting them directly. When you attempt to sidestep them, you just "other" yourself and prove them right. The moment a person says "I'm a man but I wear makeup and have long hair, so I'm transgender" he's implicitly agreeing with the idea that men can't have long hair or wear makeup. It reinforces those stereotypes onto people like me and forces us to fight twice as hard against the stigmas that society has placed on us. The world only becomes a better place for LGB and gender non-conforming people when we instead collectively say "I am a man and I like having long hair and wearing makeup, and that's okay because men are allowed to do those things too".
I want to address the misconception that gender is merely a theory and an unfounded one at that. It's important to recognize that gender is a complex and deeply ingrained aspect of human identity. Dismissing it as a false concept based on stereotypes oversimplifies a nuanced and multifaceted issue.
It's crucial to understand that gender is not solely a product of societal stereotypes. It encompasses a profound sense of self that many people experience. This sense of identity is supported by scientific research and is recognized by experts in psychology and sociology. Gender identity goes beyond outward appearances; it's about how individuals perceive and understand themselves.
Furthermore, the idea that propagating these concepts harms society is unfounded. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Recognizing and respecting people's gender identities leads to a more inclusive and compassionate society. Marginalizing transgender individuals, who are among the most vulnerable members of our society, only perpetuates discrimination and suffering.
Comparing gender identity to falsely claiming a different race or nationality based on stereotypes is a false analogy. Gender identity is about one's sense of self, while race and nationality are not the same as gender. Equating them does a disservice to the complexities of both gender and racial identity.
We should strive for empathy, understanding, and acceptance. Respecting people's gender identities is not about political correctness but about treating others with dignity and respect. It's about acknowledging the diverse experiences of transgender individuals, many of whom do not conform to stereotypes.
You'd have a point if people didn't start demanding everyone use made up words. I will either call you a he or she, frick off with these other imaginary genders
Nothing in that post was a good point. Are you really that easily tricked by sophistry?
>Are you really that easily tricked by sophistry?
yes
>gender is not solely a product of societal stereotypes
Yes it is. I can prove it now. Give me one trait that a man can have that's feminine that isn't a stereotype.
This is a GPT post.
>Comparing gender identity to falsely claiming a different race or nationality based on stereotypes is a false analogy
No it's not. It's a perfect analogy. Separating "gender" and "sex" would be no different from me separating "race" from "ethicnicity" and forming a new ideology that says people can have an ethnic identity that doesn't match their race.
While there are some surface level similarities, they're not quite equivalent.
Sex is biological, gender is social (it's a bit more complicated than that, but it should be good enough for me to make my point).
With your equivalence, race should also be biological, but it is not. Race is social construct based on shared cultural and historical experiences. Ethnicity is also cultural, based on language and heritage.
Gender isn't just about hobbies and personality. Gender dysphoria is literally wanting the body of the opposite sex.
>Gender isn't just about hobbies and personality. Gender dysphoria is literally wanting the body of the opposite sex.
Which is impossible to attain. End of discussion. Sorry you lost the lottery.
I'm not even trans, though. I just happen to advocate for them because I am the one person who's on their side when everyone else is overwhelmingly anti-trans.
Uh-huh.
You're not advocating for them, you're trying to make their lives worse and get them killed. If you cared about them you would encourage them to detransition.
Then it would be called sex dysphoria, not gender dysphoria. You can't even get your own goddamn story straight. And no, "dysphoria" does not exist. If these people have body integrity disorder they need therapy. The solution is not to enable them.
Okay, fine, it's sex dysphoria. Are you happy now?
You realize that experts in medicine and sociology believe that "gender identity" aka "brain sex" is deeply ingrained within individuals, right? Most trans people are not groomed, and the few that are, they are fakers - like the half-dozen teenage girls who stupidly chopped off their own breasts.
>You realize that experts in medicine and sociology believe that "gender identity" aka "brain sex" is deeply ingrained within individuals, right?
"experts" believe whoever funds them moron.
frick off with you appeal to authority nonsense. present an actual argument Black person homosexual troony israelite moron.
>Okay, fine, it's sex dysphoria. Are you happy now?
Very, because you and I both agree now that it's not possible to change your sex.
Which means that the treatment for sex dysphoria is therapy. It's not surgery or drugs or anything that alters the body. The only help these people can get is therapy that changes their mental state and helps them realize that their body is fine the way it is. You literally cannot back out of this now that you've agreed that it's sex dysphoria and not gender dysphoria.
holy frick anon, checkmated him good
I just told everyone in this thread that I'm a girl, like twice already. what the frick? do you really believe everyone on Ganker is male? >:(
>race isn't biological
what the frick lmao
The thing you called "gender" is actually called a stereotype. They're not identities and they aren't noble. There's nothing good about them. They're actually offensive simple minded caricatures that hurt people. There is no such thing as gender. Gender ideology is conversion therapy. You're just trying to codify and enforce sets of behavior as "masculine" and "feminine" so you can force people to obey them. Feminine men are allowed to exist. They aren't women. And masculine women are not men. Why are you trying to elevate and reinforce something that only exists to hurt people? Stereotypes are not meant to be worshiped. In reality all we have is biological sex, and either sex can act and dress any way they please. That's what a free world looks like. A free world has no place for your homophobic and sexist "gender" garbage.
>We should strive for empathy, understanding, and acceptance
Start by abolishing gender ideology then and helping people realize that they weren't "born wrong" for liking the wrong hobbies for their sex.
All this fluff and all you're describing is someone's personality, not anything to do with "gender." Which is the real problem nowadays, people mistaking elements of personality as hallmark signs of being a troony.
The entire notion of "transgender" is inherently bigoted, it's rooted in homophobia and sexism. There is no such thing as a man who expresses himself "as a woman". A man who wears makeup is expressing himself in one of the many ways that men can, and by insisting that he's a woman, or even by allowing him to insist that he's a woman, you're actively reducing the number of ways men are allowed to express themselves. You're saying "no, men aren't allowed to be beautiful or wear makeup. they have to become women if they want to do that". You're saying "no, girls aren't allowed to cut their hair short or play sports. they have to become men if they want to do that". Enforced conformity is all it is. It's no different from an oppressive traditionalist purity spiral. If you actually cared about these people you would want them to love and accept their bodies and their actual, true selves. They aren't transgender. Nobody is. There's no such thing as "transgender". They're just afraid of society bludgeoning them to force them to get back in line. So instead of changing their behavior to be more socially acceptable for men, they think they can change their bodies to be more socially acceptable for their behavior. Do you not see how that's the same problem either way? People need to stand up and say "men can wear makeup and women can have hairy legs and it's not taboo". They should never, EVER give in to the society's bigoted demands by changing their bodies to look more like the opposite sex, which never works by the way and always results in monstrosities. If you don't see why actual LGB people are against transgender ideology you're either a bad faith bigot or you have zero empathy.
Trying to put more requirements on top like how those people "dress, act, talk or feel" actually limits us with sexism. The moment you try to add social and learned elements to a definition that is meant to be biological, you're now officially telling men and women how they need to act and dress. You're telling them they need to obey stereotypes to be a "real man" or a "real woman". How is that any different from your garden variety bigotry and sexism?
Staying true to yourself means not falling for the transgender fad and not taking drugs or getting surgery or buying into bullshit "gender spectrum" ideology simply to appease stereotypes. It means learning to love how you were born and accept the implications of biological reality. Femboys and tomboys stay true to themselves. Transgender cultists and "non binary" fad chasers do not.
You're just flip flopping. Going from one extreme to the other. You didn't like the gender roles society's stigmas forced upon you so you're fleeing to the other set of sexist gender roles instead. It's bullshit either way. Just do away with gender stereotypes entirely and you have a better, more liberated world. That means no gender identity garbage. No transgender bullshit. Just ordinary girls who play rugby and boys who like having long hair and wearing makeup, neither one ever being made to feel like they were "born wrong" for liking things that aren't stereotypical for them. That's the correct path through this mess. Not telling people they need to mutilate their bodies in an attempt to "fit in" with the opposite sex's stereotypes because they don't fit their own.
There's no such thing as a male social role. And there's no such thing as clothes and jobs that are feminine. Those are arbitrary and sexist concepts, they're not grounded in anything objective and they're constantly changing. They have no value. See why Blaire isn't a good guy, now? He's enabling and reinforcing the very thing that made him uncomfortable in the first place. He's making the world worse for every other person on the planet who is brave enough to defy stereotypes instead of kowtowing to them the way he did, because he's marginalizing those pseople. Instead of doing the brave thing and showing the world that a man can be beautiful as a man, he butchered himself into a crude mockery of a woman all to appease a shallow, fleeting stereotype that informed him he was "too feminine". It's pointless and harmful to everyone.
Trannies only claim to "be trans" after years of gaslighting and grooming. What do you think these people would be if we never invented that terminology and diagnosis? I'll tell you. They would be perfectly happy as their birth sex, because they wouldn't have had to grow up being told they liked the wrong clothes or hobbies for their sex. They would feel comfortable as themselves knowing that it's okay to break out of sexist gender stereotypes. They would be ordinary tomboys and femboys, and the world would be a better and more accepting place as a result. Instead they'd rather tell people that they were "born wrong" and that they need to "change" so that their "gender" matches their sex. It's typical religious cult garbage. Trannies and their supporters are hurting everyone and holding the entire world hostage and they can't even admit it.
Not only is everything you said a lie, but it's intensely bigoted and homophobic. I'm a gay man with many "feminine" qualities. I'm comfortable with them. That doesn't make me a woman, that doesn't mean I want to be a woman, that doesn't make me transgender. You are taking the possibility for me to simply be comfortable with myself as a feminine man off of the table. And you're doing the same to masculine women as well. You are a homophobic bigot and everything you believe in actively kills and maims people like me. Gender ideology is conversion therapy.
Says you who's being bigoted and transphobic.
Sorry, but I don't actually think gay people are inherently superior to trans people. I don't give preferential treatment.
>i'm just going to genocide you and support a conversion therapy ideology that kills all gay people
>but i don't have any preferential treatment, you're both equal to me
what the frick lmao
>conversion therapy
rightoids are so dim they can't even come up with their own insults, instead having to repackage criticism from their detractors.
i'm literally a gay trap. why is it that every time somebody proves you wrong you have to strawmen them as a right winger? as if i give a frick about american politics. i don't even live there.
Does that mean you trick people online or something?
NTA but some of the first sex reassignment surgeries were the exact same castration method used on gay men in order to turn them straight so it literally is conversion therapy
see: it’s still happening in the Middle East as we speak
>You are taking the possibility for me to simply be comfortable with myself as a feminine man off of the table
this line of "logic" always makes me laugh because literally nobody who supports atypical sexuality or genders actually thinks feminine men cannot exist. also I don't think any part of that post ever does what you describe
>nobody who supports atypical sexuality or genders actually thinks feminine men cannot exist
Yes they do. Literally all of them do. They're literally in this thread now saying that Vivian's feminine behavior means he's "trans coded". What the frick does that mean other than that they want to erase feminine men?
>literally all of them do
ah yes I forgot how famous the online left was in regards to agreeing on every single issue, such as wanting to erase gay people lmao. I strongly suggest you leave Ganker anon, your brain is smoother than a baby's bottom.
>I forgot how famous the online left was in regards to agreeing on every single issue
Um. Anon. This isn't the path you want to go down, trust me.
oh no were you serious? let me laugh even harder then
Oh god you really do lack self awareness.
>man whose entire view of the left is Ganker strawmen doesn't think nuance can exist within the group of people who constantly talk about nuance and critical analysis
lmao
>the group of people who constantly talk about nuance and critical analysis
Well that definitely isn't lefties because you're all allergic to nuance and critical thinking. You're more the witch hunting mob mentality types.
>this person is mocking my over reliance on the Ganker's leftist boogeyman, how will I rebutt him?
>oh I know, I will continue to invoke that boogeyman!
lol
You've just been whining and crying about /misc/ in a thread full of gay people rightfully rebuking gender ideology and defending an actual LGB character and now you're going to pretend that I'M invoking a boogeyman? Where is your fricking self awareness?
I've been baiting and trolling, you mean. if you guys want to shit up this place crying about trannies, I'll shit up your threads crying about you. sucks to suck homosexual, maybe you should take this discussion to the proper place if you don't want me shitting em up eh?
>i'm only defending trannies because you were being mean to trannies
>no i'm not a troony apologist what do you mean i'm only doing it ironically
what the frick lmao. how do you frick up a defense as classic as only pretending to be moronic? this homie is literally TOO moronic to pretend to be moronic without letting something slip lmfao
>noooo nobody would ever bait the most easily outraged morons on the planet by lazily defending the object of their obsessions!
every single time. you clowns really think nobody would EVER bait you
>I'M NOT MAD I'M NOT MAD I'M NOT MAD
>i'm just uhh getting back at you for pointing out that trannies are coming to the board and pushing their headcanon
>but i'm not going to lift a finger against the actual trannies invading the board and forcing their shit onto the board
Who do you think you're going to fool with this crap?
what makes you think I'm trying to convince anyone of anything? I outright told you I'm trying to shit up this thread, and so far I am succeeding.
>I was only pretending to be moronic.
please don't have a nice day, your parents will feel worse than they already do.
the difference between you and I is that I am pretending, and you are not.
>no u
please don't do end your life.
I won't end my life if you get a job and girlfriend, deal?
except you're not. you're pretending to pretend and you even fricked that up. you are so clearly a mad troony getting actually defensive.
rightoids are the only people on the internet who when being told they're being baited have to perform mental gymnastics to convince themselves that everyone on fricking Ganker is genuine
>rightoids
>i'm definitely not politically motivated guys
funny how you lot can notice trannies everywhere but when I notice this place being full of obsessed rightoids I'm some deep state agent lmao
Do I need to post the narcissist's prayer for you? You're one step away from "okay it's happening but it's a good thing".
"Get outta my shop, then"
No it wouldn't. You would be proving him right by going into denial.
do you ever get sick of being a disgusting groomer? how do you live with yourself?
I'm the same girl from
frick off with the name calling, seriously, it's rude.
You're not a girl. You're a sick groomer who belongs in a male prison.
frick off, i don't need to prove myself to you.
This part terrified the fanbase.
WHY IS EVERYTHING SO GODDAMN REFLECTIVE
you know what, it could be laminated paper
to be fair i think thats the effect the boggly wood was supposed to have, the gc just couldnt render the holophonic stank
>the gc just couldnt render the holophonic stank
the save blocks?
the world is constructed with lisa frank folders
Everyone is talking about Vivian, reminder Hooktail and Bonetail are also a thing.
NoA in the gamecube years literally just made every character that would be “confusing” to understand what gender they were female
this happened with animal crossing as well
This Vivian shit is gonna be hilarious
>original localization maintained and sidesteps the issue
trannies scream trans erasure, shitstorm ensues
>original JP script maintained, Vivian is now otokonoko with jokes confusing his gender
trannies scream transphobia, shitstorm ensues
>Vivian is rewritten to be fully trans in both JP and english
femboy culture war idiots like dimitri get butthurt while trannies are forced in response to elevate a character originally massively offensive to them, shitstorm ensues
This is gonna be Bridget 2 Electric Boogaloo except 10x more prevalent because it's a game people actually care about and not some gay obscure fighting game shit
I suggest you relax and just grab some popcorn
>originally massively offensive to them
vivian was always beloved
JP Vivian was the subject of tons of repetitive gender confusion jokes at his expense, there's no way any modern trans person wouldn't consider that wildly offensive
That's why the third option is funny, because they would have to elevate and praise a character that was by all means very problematic for them, it's exactly the same as how Bridget, the subject of many gay panic and gender confusion jokes, was elevated to be THE central trans icon purely for the sake of owning the chuds
Why are you so obsessed with hanging onto joke "lore" from a version of the game that came before localization in a language you don't speak? Are you just a troony that wants the cartoon ghost to validate you?
circumstances around the character are not the character
nearly everyone loves vivian as a character, even the incredibly insecure people insisting vivian is a man who identifies as a man
arguably especially them
Shut the frick up already holy shit.
Accept Vivian is a canonical biological woman and move on. Draw her as a futa if you really love dick that much, fricking homosexual.
see
>moonrune humor
You've never played this game, go emulate paper mario right now and tell me where it says she's a boy. Go on.
>This characer is a cute boy who uses fire magic.
>j-just a joke!!!!
>cannot provide evidence in his own copy of paper mario because he has never played it
>can only screech in rage like a transexual because his kink is not canon
As expected.
see
again
in the og jap script
the west changed it cause the troony/femboy ideology was rightfully repressed in 2004
ive played this game more times than i can count and twice in japanese
You are not japanese, and you will never be japanese.
you can watch jap streamers and they have the same reaction of being disappointed that he’s not a girl
none of them think he’s transgender
>he
have a nice day troon, you will never be japanese or a woman.
So this is the part where trannies start false flagging as right wingers to muddy the waters even more after they consistently lost every argument?
You clowns did this same shit in the Bridget threads.
>vivian is canonically a woman
homie he is literally a boy
no matter what happens, I get more porn out of it, as was the case with Strive with bridget
>Japanese Nintendo execs when they have a crossdressing character and realize they have to navigate the byzantine, ever-changing western troony etiquette in the localization again
Mamma mia
>Birdo
>Now Vivian
I don't think they ever could have imagined that crossdressing would become an actual thing. If they knew what was good for them they would just say both are biologically female.
>I have to wait for the shitstorm
man I wanna see who gets BTFO’d now
>with this remake we've gone from a 5% chance of being able to post Vivian without inciting troony arguments to 0%
So was there even ever a proper consensus if he was just a girl boy, "she" was a wannabe, or if she was actually just a girl they all made fun of? Like I recall seeing all three hotly argued a decade ago.
He's just a boy. The character description literally says "He's a cute boy who uses fire magic". For further proof, every image of Vivian on pixiv is tagged with otokonoko.
Yeah and Baiken, who uses masculine japanese pronouns in japanese, is a man too right? moron
>going by fricking pixiv fanart tags
yep, it's your poorly disguised troony fetish talking nevermind
To be fair, Baiken acts masculine (despite looking very feminine).
Vivian uses male pronouns despite acting feminine.
Why is this suddenly more important than getting a straight answer about Birdo, the reoccurring character that gets kids toys and shit?
Birdo wasn't cute
I disagree.
There are more than one Birdo so you can do whatever.
why remake TTYD when the original PM was so much better
no need to fix 64, ttyd on the other hand...
I'm super glad PM64 wasn't the one remade. I feel like they would've completely fricked up the art style in that entry. PM64 is the most different looking game and they probably would've tried unifying it when the game leans heavily into having a look akin to Yoshi's Island especially with those wonderful backgrounds the game had. The only thing I'd really want from an updated PM64 is widescreen and a shortcut pipe from Peach's Castle back to Toad Town like the romhacks do.
https://tcrf.net/Paper_Mario:_The_Thousand-Year_Door/Regional_Differences#Vivian
This site has some of the major points of contention:
>Vivian's Partner Description:
>カゲ三人組の一人だった
>オンナのコのようで ホントは オトコのコ
Straight up literally says "o-to-ko-no-ko" in katakana/hiragana at the end there.
The line is full on "He may look like a girl, but he's actually a boy."
>Goombella's Tattle on Vivian:
>『ビビアン』よ
>カゲ三人組の一人で いちばん下の妹
>・・・じゃなくて 弟ね
First she says sister, then she switches and says brother after a pause.
>The important part during their intro:
>Vivian: 三姉妹っ!!
>Beldam: カゲ三姉妹っ!?
>コラッ! ビビアン!!
>なに いってんだよ あんた!
>カゲ三人組だろ! 三人組!!
>どこが 三姉妹だよ!
>あんた オトコじゃないかい!!!!!!
Vivian says 3 shimai (sisters) to end their call of "were the three shadow ____" and Beldam gets pissed and insists it should be 3 hitogumi (group of people, with the three before it it'd translate as trio).
She insists they can't be sisters because Vivian is a man, with "otoko" highlighted in red text.
>Japanese media has had ambiguously gendered and characterize characters for years that depending on how you interpret things, could variously be crossdressers, trans, gay, or "third gender"
>Nobody seriously questions this or debates it for years, it's just accepted as something JP media does
>LGBT stuff becomes a hot topic issue and suddenly both SJW, pandering corporations, reactionary /misc/tards, and twinkfrickers who don't want to admit to fapping to trans stuff all jump through hoops trying to fit people into those specific boxes when in all likelyhood the Japanese salarymen making the game never thought about it that deeply and didn't think of these as distinct categories to begin with
Why is it so hard for people to just admit shit is ambiguous in 99% of these cases?
As somebody who has zero fricking stake in this and doesn't care what the truth is in either direction, this doesn't clearly establish any conclusion.
It just says that Vivan has a dick/balls, which nobody is disputing. it doesn't say if Vivvan likes being a boy/admits that, which would make them a femboy, or if Vivan likes being seen as a girl, which would make them trans.
That's the question which would need to be answered but very few people in the thread are actually talking about that because you morons are more concerned about b***hing then anything else.
A character being a troony isn't even on the table unless it's said explicitly. So it's not ambiguous at all. All crossdressers are just crossdressers and all tomboys are just tomboys. You trying to inject incertainty into this is like if I said "well we never got confirmation that luigi ISN'T a pedophile, so you never know". Just frick off with that dishonest crap, you know it's wrong and I know it's wrong.
>it's okay to use context clues to interpret things in every situation EXCEPT for this specific thing which is supernaturally specific because I said so
You're the one being a dishonest moron.
I could not give less of a shit about gender crap, but you're absolutely as annoying as twitter SJWs who try to claim everything is actually trans.
Is the talking Armadillo in Naruto who insists it's a girl, refuses to be grouped in with the boys, wears lipstick and makeup, and gets mad when its called a boy but has a dick and other people laugh about it being a boy "not trans" just because Kishimoto doesn't literally use the word transgender?
What is "trans" if not "actually a boy that calls and identifies themselves and presents themselves as a girl"? In contrast to crossdressers/femboys, which are "boys that dresses/looks like a girl but still identifies as a boy"?
>Ganker insists for years that trannies are just men
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT SAYS BOY/MAN SO THEY'RE NOT TRANS SEE
>>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT SAYS BOY/MAN SO THEY'RE NOT TRANS SEE
You realize pretty men exist, right, moron?
Of course, that's why in the very post you responded to, I said
>What is "trans" if not "actually a boy that calls and identifies themselves and presents themselves as a girl"? In contrast to crossdressers/femboys, which are "boys that dresses/looks like a girl but still identifies as a boy"?
I feel like I'm having an ESL moment right now and I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me
>I totally don't care about gender stuff guys, I hate those dumb sjws just like you, I'm just gonna exclusively b***h at you guys ITT and try really really hard to argue in favor of trannies and also HOW FRICKING DARE YOU MISGENDER TRANSGENDER WOMEN CHUD
So fricking transparent, Ganker says trannies are men because they were born men, vivian's text says they were born a boy and from that specific line of dialogue it says nothing about them wanting to be a girl, so they're saying they're just a boy who dresses like a girl, it's completely consistent you're just seething
>I'm going to pretend both sides are bad so I can say I'm morally superior compared to everyone else
Frick off with this shit. You are nothing more than a spineless idiot with no convictions whatsoever.
it doesnt matter weather or not vivian is a boy or a girl
they still have a squishy ghost butthole and thats all i need
Gender degeneracy in the RPGs was a mistake. Boos aren't male or female in the main games, they are just Boos.
Actually, Boos are known as "Teresa" in Japan, and 100% of them are sexually attracted to Boo Mario in Super Mario Galaxy.
This is a japanese company, she's going to still be a woman just like the american version prior.
Now if TTYD were made into an illumination film? That's a different story.
not all trannies want to have the penis surgery stop getting so fricking angry about Vivian's nonexistent penis (shadow people have no genitals)
He'll be a boy like the JP version. Usually Nintendo would just ignore it and keep the NA dialogue. But this is a well known change so they pretty much have to keep it in line with the JP version.
cute futa wiener
Delicious backsack.
Why the frick is her vulva bulging like that? Is she OK?
Yeah, don't care. I hope the remaster means more Goombella, Ms. Mowz and Shadow Peach porn.
Goombella is already getting art from this alone thankfully.
based
Doesn't the character card in SPM describe him as a man?
Yes. Very explicitly. Somehow trannies still think they have the right to push their headcanon.
>even the official mario wiki refers to her as a her
Why are we mad about vivian having a pussy again?
Was wondering in the Japanese version there was a cat eared boo did they change it again for the English version?
Is this the thread?
Nope. Sorry, chief.
Very unfortunate.
maybe in the wee hours once people have gone to sleep
No.
was mush supposed to be a fight originally but was cut?
>was mush supposed to be a fight originally but was cut?
It always felt like he was
>Remake, not a remaster
>Suspiciously far away release date
Face the facts: Luigi and the Marvelous Compass is real.
Characters that have inconsistent genders between translations in Paper Mario:
>Watt
>Vivian
>Hooktail
>Bonetail
Who else?
okay ignore troony debates for a moment
are the pink dots eyes, or blushing cheeks? if cheeks, then what would vivian look like without the hat with eyes properly showing? ive been seeing eyes this entire time
>ive been seeing eyes this entire time
how do people actually think this
that looks horrible
I don't think vivian has eyes, shadow queen doesn't and she made the shadow sirens
Make him the Trap he was always supposed to be
Silly me, I thought this thread was about Paper Mario!
troony debates are shit, it's a bunch of pedogroomers and weirdos getting angry over coming to a place that actively hates them and then getting upset when they get hated on
i miss the days when we just called everyone a Black person
talk about the video game here
>censorship is ok when I do it
have a nice day
Pretty sure she was only a troon in the Italian translation, the japs were just trying to make a joke with it
How do you filter people that tag multiple people again
>the people who regularly demand that japanese games have accurate translations now advocating for the censored english localization because of vapid reasons
wowee I could've never predicted this!
But Vivian is not trans in Japanese and you are being disingenuous. Or you're Italian.
you will never be japanese or a woman
stop projecting your troony fantasies onto something you don't understand
The only people saying they want censorship are trannies, and I don't think they've ever argued in favor of accurate translatoins.
does vivian want mario to plap them canonically
yes
What'd Mario do to get Vivian's attention? I haven't played the game in forever, so I forgot.
Be the first person to ever be nice to her in her life.
His*
well, i could see being friends with mario for that. vivian really does like him more than that, though? seems extreme reaction towards basic kindness.
In the RPG games Mario is already a celebrated hero who is known for getting shit done and being a chad. Every girl wants his dick in both games, especially TTYD.
Why do you care so much about a purple blob's gender?
they don't care they're just using vidya as an excuse to cry about gender ideology on a videogame forum 24/7 for literal years at a time
you mean trannies are using a crossdressing character as an excuse to push gender ideology. everyone here telling them to frick off is right.
>it's those darn trannies that make thinly veiled /misc/threads that always turn into antiSJW circlejerks on the videogame forum
"no u" has not ever been a clever response, and you will not ever trick anyone into thinking your own autistic behavior is anything but that
Do you really think anyone is going to fall for this after the shit you losers did in the Bridget threads? You're a discord full of groomers who raid Ganker to push transgender ideology. You admitted it, bragged about it and flaunted it.
considering every single time bridget is trending on twitter it's because some braindead rightoid decided to publicly soil themselves, to claim that the left was the one filling this place with threads about HER is hilarious.
Thanks for continuing to prove my point by showing your true colors. You're just a groomer who hates femboys.
>he unironically does not know
>Localisation become more Japanese accurate
>Trannies seethe over how Beldam and even Goombella misgender her and the conclusion where she stays with her sisters anyway
I sincerely don’t know what level of mental gymnastics you have to be on to see that the official in game text calls the character a boy and not understand that the character is a boy
The same level of mental gymnastics that lets them look between their own legs, see a penis, then claim to be women.
Damn. Sounds like terminal levels of mental gymnastics with some profound moronation.
in jap is vivan a femboy or trans?
100% femboy.
ALL OF VIVIAN'S GENDER LINES IN THE ORIGINAL JP SCRIPT
Japanesechads, please check over these translations!
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Beldam:
｢ヒッヒッヒッヒィ・・・
名のるほどのものじゃあ ないけど
いちおう 名のって おこうかねぇ
われらは・・・」
"Hee hee hee heeee...
It's not even worth giving you our names,
but I guess we can
We are..."
Marilyn:
｢カゲ・・・」
"The Shadow..."
Vivian:
｢三姉妹っ!!」
"Sisters Three!!"
Goombella:
｢カゲ三姉妹っ!?」
"The Shadow Sisters Three!?"
Beldam:
｢コラッ! ビビアン!!
なに いってんだよ あんた!
カゲ三人組だろ! 三人組!!
どこが 三姉妹だよ!
あんた オトコじゃないかい!!!!!!」
"Hey! Vivian!!
What do you think you're saying!?
We're the Shadow Trio! Trio!!
Where are there three sisters!?
Aren't you a man!!!!!!?"
Vivian:
｢ゴメンナサイ~ お姉さま
つい・・・」
"I'm sorry, Beldam.
I just..."
Beldam:
｢つい・・・ じゃないよ!
あとで きっちり
オシオキしてやるからね!!」
"You just... nothing!
Because after this,
I'm absolutely punishing you!!"
Note in the original game "man" (オトコ) is emphasized in massive red katakana. Don't remember if any other text in the game does this
sounds pretty cut and dry to me, Vivian wants to be a sister, and the others deny her of that. of course this is EVIL IDEOLOGY so it MUST be censored by the gods at Nintendo Treehouse
Vivian is a boy. He wants to join his sisters and they reject him. He doesn't want to be a girl at all, he wants to be part of the group.
but SHE was already part of the group as the Shadow Trio, why would SHE change the name of the group to fit in if she was already a part of an already established group anon? that don't make any sense to me
You can argue that, but she never corrects anyone when they call her boy in the game or mentions her gender.
Samegay here, yeah these are the only dialogues in the entire game that address Vivian's gender, and everytime it's set up to be some punchline and it's not treated very seriously. Every time it comes up the game makes a joke except for the Party Description which is pretty blatant in calling Vivian a boy.
『ビビアン』よ
カゲ三人組の一人で いちばん下の妹
・・・じゃなくて 弟ね
It's Vivian,
a member of the Shadow Trio and the youngest sister
...no, wait, brother.
さいだいHPは『10』で
こうげき力は『1』 ぼうぎょ力は『0』よ
これといった とくちょうは ないみたい
Max HP: 10
Attack power: 1, Defense power: 0
Seems there's nothing special here
う~ん・・・
それにしても カレって なかなか
かわいいわね・・・
Umm...
nevertheless, 'he' is really
cute, huh...
ひょっとしたら あたしよりも
かわいいかも・・・
・・・て
Possibly, maybe even
cuter than me...
...that is
やだっ・・・
あたしったら なにを
かんがえているのかしら」
No way...
Jeez, I wonder what
I was thinking"
What if they just did the same as the original and had Vivian be a boy in Japan and a girl in the dub? Really just making Vivian an outright girl is the best option because it would piss off both the trannies on twitter and the gays on Ganker.
>What if they just did the same as the original and had Vivian be a boy in Japan and a girl in the dub?
I'd be fine with that, because I'm comfortable with the knowledge that only the Japanese is canon. Localization plebs can live in denial if they want. I just don't want trannies ruining a character I like.
And yet you're a gay which is a step from being a troony. Your kind still can't get over the fact that Sheik is canonically a girl.
What? I'd be the first one to tell you that Sheik is a girl. Sheik is just Zelda in a disguise. People cannot change their sexes. This is a hard fact of reality that transcends into all fiction. Sex is immutable.
>This is a hard fact of reality that transcends into all fiction
all hail the god king of all fiction, some random moron from Ganker. what other edicts do you have for the entire medium, your grace?
they'll keep the original translation. the original dialogue 'misgenders' and mocks his/her gender.
Also Nintendo doesn't want controversy so it's safe to keep original script for English
カゲ三人組の一人だった
オンナのコのようで ホントは オトコのコ
A former member of the Shadow Trio.
He may look like a girl, but he's actually a boy.
Maybe the Japanese translation is wrong and the English one is correct
Very ROUGH translation for this one, it goes something like...
おお!これは かわいい…
ってキミ… どっちなの?…
オトコ… だよね…
ようするに オスじゃん!
ダメだよ~ ちゃんとしてよ~
ちゃんと おぼえてよ~
『かわいい クリボーの オンナのコを
しょうかいして』
たのむよ ホントにっ!
Wow, she's cute... Wait..., is this a man? It is a man! This is no good! Remember what I asked? I want a cute goomba girl!
Does it really matter, so long as she gets your dick hard?
yes, because jacking it to a dude is gay.
>jacking it to a dude is gay
I repeat. Does it really matter so long as she gets your dick hard?
i'm not gay Anon, if i lower my standards to hot dudes, then i become gay. it's a slippery slope that i'm well aware of.
You seem to be misunderstanding me here.
IF YOUR DICK GETS HARD, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. You ain't un-harding that dick. It's already "gay" at that point. May as well just enjoy it. Being "gay" doesn't mean shit.
You might, if that's what you're into. I know I'm not cause I've looked at enough of that shit and it doesn't make my dick hard.
You can't control what you find sexy. Horniness isn't a choice. Let those feelings go and enjoy whatever tickles your pickle. That is true freedom.
Anon if you don't control your urges, they'll control you.
Denial isn't control, it's ignorance.
Control is mastering the desires, facing and embracing them without remorse removes the stigma and lets you properly release the desires so they don't eat at you till you worry about whether or not jacking it to a curvy shadow will hurt your mental state.
I'm not denying that the shadow man makes my dingaling go boowomp, I'm choosing to not enable those thoughts, as they'll lead to chasing that specific fantasy more, degeneracy is a slippery slope that'll lead you down to depraved places that i don't want to go back to.
I get what you're saying but it's a bit more complex than that. Say a guy finds feminine beauty attractive. This is naturally associated with women, and so a conventionally attractive woman would be what gets his dick hard. Now he sees what he perceives as a conventionally attractive woman, but it is actually a man. Aside from the possibility that knowing it's a man may cause his dick to become flaccid on it's own, it doesn't make him gay. But that's the agenda at play here, to make men question their sexuality while pandering to women who, narcissists as many are, enjoy feminine beauty in men.
But then I guess I'm lucky that Vivian never made my dick twitch.
If the realization that it's a man makes the dude flaccid, that's perfectly fine.
And if it doesn't, that's also perfectly fine.
You shouldn't feel the need to "question" your sexuality. Just embrace what it is. The label is ultimately meaningless outside of the law (as in with things like bestiality or pedophilia, but even there you can just be a freak and jack it to fantasies all you want so long as you never act on them).
You only slide down it cause you find degeneracy to be a problem. If you just worked with it instead you'd be able to find the right balance without putting in mental stress to not "fall".
I think the issue is that society is intentionally trying to invoke this by parading around male characters who are far more feminized than the average man would ever be, again for the sake of their agenda. This is why a guy might be more wary of that now. It's kinda similar to how we get ugly women everywhere to lower beauty standards, which has definitely worked.
degeneracy is a problem in the same sense that alcohol is a problem, indulging in a little bit here an there is alright, fine, might even make you feel better. but too much will always hurt you, so either you set boundaries or you let it control your life.
Not him but this is currently an agenda of the West. This is why you see so many males are hyper-effeminate fuqbois and one part of why females are ugly shemales.
if you don't set boundaries on what you jack it to you'll end up in a furry fart RP discord before you know it.
He gets it.
This. I've lost countless loads to Viv. Not gonna stop now.
>visible eye
anger
>little fang
boner
これからは 姉妹(?)3人で なかよく くらしていくでしょう
From now on, the three sisters(?) will live peacefully.
>Notice the question mark in the dialogue box after Goombella calls the Shadow Trio "sisters". Even in the epilogue the game makes a joke about Vivian's gender, like they did at the very beginning. As you can expect, this was removed in all localizations
Man this really turned into a shit flinging competition lmao
Sorry, sweeties, but Japan has already supported transfolks and non-binary people. The concept of non-binary has existed for hundreds of years, so you can't say that it's made up.
How much of a freak would Vivian be in the bedroom, rockstar weirdo tier or doormat sub
shes a bottom that loves mario dick impregnating her
does vivian live in mario's shadow with their kids
probably so peach doesn't find out
Mario wouldn't be the type to be a cheater. He'd straight up tell Peach he has a gf/wife now. Would still save Peach since he's a hero.
This is why developers should never touch troonyshit even with a ten-foot pole.
Trannies got btfo.