Same here. I made 2 fleets for bfg while learning the ropes plus fricking loads of terminators and bits.
Here is my LaD, just few models short before painting starts.
These look like trash, I and many others would not play with you. You're cheapness and evasiveness are disrespectful to hard working 'consumers'. Who inspired such games to be marketed and produced. Buy knock-offs, because then you are still feeding someones family.
Those Bullgryns look great. The infantry look cheap but your camera is so unbelievably shitty it's hard to tell if they'd actually look that bad in real life.
Yep. Once you've been burned once with the time, money, and effort it takes to get people to try another game - which usually ends in failure after a few goes; GW is the obvious place you land.
The price premium is nothing compared to how much of a giant pain in the ass it is to coordinate friends or a club to get into any other game.
Ha, in the time it takes you to look at the rulebook for a different game, the 40k you know has morphed into a completely different edition using models different from the one you own.
Disgusting. You're like one of those vapid, aimless homosexuals who'd rather watch reality TV or play the most rancid Ubishart game than go and do something else if an actually-good show or game isn't available. Where are you standards. Where is your fricking self-respect.
I'd rather play genuinely good games a handful of times a year than forcefeed myself a steady weekly diet of modern GWslop. Not that I have to, because I have an actual work ethic and enough of a backbone to put my foot down, so it's not actually all that hard to get people to play other stuff. God damn you're repugnant.
>spends all day every day defending something >gets BTFO’d >actually it doesn’t matter/it’s just for kids/ why do you care so much
The left wing handbook to arguing over the mass media that shapes culture and society
>spends all day every day defending something
I don’t even play miniature games lol. I think they all have shitty gameplay.
You just need to chill out. It’s just little plastic army men, the game is almost irrelevant.
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Anonymous
>I’m on the mini gaming board to own da chuds and arguing with you right now about it but I totally don’t care, why do you care so much?
So convincing. Argue further about something you totally don’t care about and Tell me a few more times how you don’t care and how I shouldn’t
I want to do wargames involving the Spanish civil war and the Russian Civil War but there seems to be no existing market for (anti-)communist conflicts. I found one site selling models for cossacks at least.
They also just released russian WW1 infantry in plastic, which probably will be perfectly fine for russian civil war/interwar and maybe even communist militia in spain.
The French resistance box mixed with one of the WW1 infantry boxes depending on which bolt action rifles you want (presumably mausers if it's Spain) is pretty good, not perfect but it works for making armed civilians. Here are some spartacists
They sculpted the entire empire and brettonian dogs of war and many many others already though which still look incredible and match perfectly their historicals
The fat black lesbians aren't historical homosexual, I assume that's what you mean as 'millions' do not play age of fisher price and it is only beloved by paypigs
By pure chance it's the complete opposite for me.
If James Wokrshop himself rang my door and tried to pay me £200 to take one of his finest AI-generated age of slopmar cities of creative bankruptcy boxes I would be like. >"not thanks, I'm not all that into 80's fantasy B-flicks and Victorian cast iron fencing"
One of the biggest reasons people buy GW models is because they like the settings, and GW has a monopoly on that IP, so they can pretty much charge as much as they want as long as there’s enough people who want officially licensed warhammer minis
>Those Warlord Models >The worst of the already not so great Pike and Shotte Line
If you had posted the Perry Bros Civil War Battle in a Box I've have sympathy, but Warlord? Heavens no, they're like the worst of the plastic model makers, even Fireforge does better than them.
Plus, For 162 Dollars I can get 5 boxes of Perry and WGA and wind up with the same spread, but with better models.
I think the warlord landsknechts are nice kits with crisp detail and great value for money. Sure, it would be nice for the pikemen to have different poses.
For 162 i could buy 5 boxes of WGA Conquistadors, thats true. But those Warlord Landsknechts are still great models. Maybe because they were not sculpted by Warlord but rather bought from a kickstarted project of a different company.
I am so glad I live in England and actually have a local gaming scene that isn't just "I get in my 2005 Chevy Impala and drive 60 miles to a shop that mostly now sells Big Bang Theory coasters, so I can get tabled in 2 turns by the latest Metawatch-broken nu40k army"
>find someone else that plays Hail Caesar after years of looking >"oh you collect Carthaginians? Sorry anon I have Baltic Crusade Muscovites, guess we can't play"
In the past ten years I have only found one FLGS that was not 90% funkopops and shitty rick and morty merch.
That’s what killed my interest in the hobby. Game stores got replaced by shitty collectable stores that maybe have one box of space marines on the wall just so they can check the box that says they sell war gaming models.
GW expects FLGS owners to drop 20-50k on a wall of their dogshit miniatures that appeal to actual morons and requires dedicated tables
oh and half the shit will be unsellable in a year because random shit updates and dropping lines
imagine investing into a wall of specialist games dogshit or age of shit? none of that crap moves
or I could just sell mcfricking magic cards and make way more money
Yes I am aware of how GW treats store owners. That single box of space marines they usually have is all thats remaining after the owner gets burned by GW.
Subcultures and hobbies being watered down and turned into "lifestyle brands" by big corporations has done more damage to our cultural heritage than anything else in recent history.
Can you just fricking stop you sick frick. This post hit way too close to home. I tried to get into warhammer fantasy all the way back in 2014 and couldn’t find a single store that hosted games within 30 minutes of me and I live in one of the biggest american cities. Everyone just told me to play 40kuck instead
I've wanted to get into infinity and kill team for years but the nearest store with a group that plays is a 2-3 hour drive with evening traffic and there is no actual way to get there public transit either. I live in a city with over a million people but there is only one game store that sells miniatures outside of D&D branded stuff, and it has no gaming tables.
maybe things are as bad as people say, and in rural australia i'm simply lucky to have an amazing wargaming scene, but i reckon it's down to Ganker being full of autists that egg each other on to be the worst possible versions of themselves - /tg/ is a board for the guys that stink up stores
This is a bit of a thing in NZ too, that (proportionally) the bigger cities no longer do tabletop wargames, and more rural areas and regional cities seem to do it a lot.
I have a cousin who lives on the Westcoast (a region with a grand total of 15k people across 25,000 km2) and there are multiple wargames clubs apparently.
This is a bit of a thing in NZ too, that (proportionally) the bigger cities no longer do tabletop wargames, and more rural areas and regional cities seem to do it a lot.
I have a cousin who lives on the Westcoast (a region with a grand total of 15k people across 25,000 km2) and there are multiple wargames clubs apparently.
proportionally higher numbers of clubs in the countryside here too, think it's down to a few things >fewer dedicated hobby stores with tables, prospective wargamers are forced into the club system where they have to actually meaningfully engage with their local community and shower from time to tine too >city clubs are large and concentrated owing to overheads >private clubs and groups are largely invisible
>AoSmeg box is £120, aka about $150 but they add an extra $50 because frick you >Warlord box is £101 or $120ish but add $42 because frick you >these are prices with VAT that you don't have to pay in the USA, meaning they should cost even less than that instead of half again as much more
Never buy from the manufacturer.
That's literally all that matters. You can't compare the Gioconda with a million scribbles of dicks and pretend the Gioconda should cost less by comparing it to trash.
Of course those don't fricking count. They look like old lead toy soldiers my grandpa played with. The level and crispiness of details and edges is nonexistent and the theme is rancid and uninteresting for most of the current population of wargamers.
>>left >Looks good. >new cities of sigmar models >looks good
These are like high fidelity mantic designs and mould crispness doesn’t change the fact that these armour designs are horrid
The armor design is straight up good. Looks like a blend of Byzantine and Western European styles. Better than wowshit sigmarines. The black women are cringe though.
>Looks like a blend of Byzantine and Western European
This means nothing. Roman and western at what point in time? And no they don't they're just generic fantasy.
You knew and understood exactly what I meant, don’t know what you get out of being obtuse like this, but if you’re actually moronic I can claifry, looks like 15th century Western European plate armor, with the medieval Byzantine kettle-like helms that you’d see for the entire duration of the medieval era of the empire
Also kind of like the Lithuanian helmets of the 15th/14th centuries
More like 14th century half plate now that I look closer
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>half plate
If your understanding of armor comes from a DnD sourcebook or equivalent you probably shouldn't bother trying to match fantasy styles to IRL armor. It's not gonna work out.
More like 14th century half plate now that I look closer
They don't look like that at all moron, and the Romans didn't have one style of helmet for a thousand literal goddamn years.
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Anonymous
>Romans didn't have one style of helmet for a thousand literal goddamn years.
No one said that schizo. They did however, use the type of helmet i pointed out for a thousand years, but they used others along side them obviously you fricking tard
These real helmets don’t have the pointless ugly diamond shaped and general over-angularisation present in the sigmar designs, you like the designs because they remind you of something cool irl not because the designs themselves are good, because they aren’t
They look like those real medieval armours pushed through the shitty filter of generic modern fantasy where everything is over designed with pointless metal plating
Why would I buy that instead of buying a box each of hard plastic multipart western footmen and byzantine infantry and kitbashing them? It would probably be much cheaper mini by mini
>Better than wowshit sigmarines.
How is this even an argument. Everything is better than literal shit.
>Looks like a blend of Byzantine and Western European styles
Sure it does. With some needless details slapped onto it because we cant have any larger untextured areas on our models, because that would look bad if painted with contrast paint.
The historical influences are there, but its just randomly mixed together without any sense or direction behind it, because the cavalry is completely different.
The cities of shitmar must have gone through their best already considering they are throwing a literal down syndrome moron and a man with one eye led by some negress at the enemy. I thought that it couldn't get any worse when 1/10th of the army didn't have any shoes, boy was I wrong!
The actual plastic sprues are good quality, like all GW does. Little mold lines, little gaps and crisp details, but everything else on those new Sigmar models is pure garbage.
Even if those models are the aesthetically worst looking of the entire game, they are still miles better quality wise to the mediocre historical crap the OP was comparing them to.
Nobody ever doubts that with GW minis in 2023 (even tho there are still some with very ugly gaps that need filling).
But the aesthetic is just so wrong and feels completely random with the Cities of Sigmar dudes. People were complaining about overdetails on some minis before, and these are like GW wanted to show everyone how details for the sake of details really looks like. They are so busy, and yet so random, and nothing really makes sense with them like having the bottom of the shield being plain wood..
Basically like an HD 4k video on an HD 4k screen of a lump of shit.
Versus, I dunno, Valkyrie Drive. Would you rather watch the high quality literal shit or still very good quality but not as technically advanced bouncy breasts?
what do you actually mean by quality anyway? in terms of the sculpts the proportions are shitty but that's only because they're intended to also be used as Empire proxies and have to fit in with ugly proportions like these
>>left >Looks good. >new cities of sigmar models >looks good
These are like high fidelity mantic designs and mould crispness doesn’t change the fact that these armour designs are horrid
Warhammer gays don't actually care about miniature wargaming, they care about buying the latest toys from their favorite company (while still constantly b***hing about the lore, rules and prices for some reason).
I have models on both rounds and squares, I like how squares take less space and rank up nicely. Though I do use movement trays for both squares and rounds.
>if you don't simp gw you're a commie
every time I think threads like this are getting a bit tired then comes the most astonishingly moronic cope from the geedubs sois
That you're apparently confused and upset by the idea that different people value things differently means that you're either a communist, or are operating under the same delusions as one. That you somehow think having this pointed out to you is "simping for GW" means that you're also a fricking moron.
>Landsknechts are from the Imperial army list >you get, as they're shown, four units of pikemen >per the rules you get one unit of shotte per two units of pike for these specific units >the two-handers however you only get one unit for every three pikemen >meaning you can't actually field one unit of two-handers at all unless you buy two more units of pike
You don't have to, because you can easily make the pikemen be units of 16 (4x4) and be wholly legal within the rules as that enables you to field 6 units of Landsknecht pike. It's just that, as shown on their picture, the army is illegal.
>Landsknechts are from the Imperial army list >you get, as they're shown, four units of pikemen >per the rules you get one unit of shotte per two units of pike for these specific units >the two-handers however you only get one unit for every three pikemen >meaning you can't actually field one unit of two-handers at all unless you buy two more units of pike
leaving aside that pike and shotte is the worst of the warlord big book rulesets and only a fool would use it over other systems for the era, the french have access to landsknechte too
They could charge 10 times what they charge now and still make bank, the fact that they don't do it shows you how humble they are. Don't blame the company, blame the fandom
Nogames morons don't even understand the hobby and posts like this prove it.
I buy a lot of GW product and I buy a lot of historicals.
No miniature wargames ever looks at his fully painted army and thinks about how much coin they spent on it. That cost is so insignifcant compared to all those hours you put in to make the army come alive.
I have no idea how much I've spent on my 40k orks, or my US Late War infantry company. It's nowhere near to make any difference.
true, but if I've got more projects I want to do than I feasibly have time for refurbishing my chaos army is going to keep getting bumped to the bottom of the list while the price tag (105 AUD for a box of 10 CSMs now) reminds me of all those other projects and stops me from impulse buying
It's already been said but WLG's miniatures are often not great. Some ranges are their own sculpts and some they have purchased. Their rule sets are generally bad as well but you're not obligated to use them. I occasionally buy WLG miniatures when my LGS puts them on deep discount and use them for conversion or build just a few of them for various projects. The last WLG pack I got was their AWI Continental Starter Army when I caught it at an 80% discount to flesh out some stuff but otherwise for that setting I have Brigade Games miniatures. For stuff like WWII there are so many better alternatives available in my opinion. I've painted a lot of WLG stuff for WWII and don't really plan to paint any more of it. WWII is such a vast setting there are so many great options available offering superior miniatures like Artizan, Empress, Eureka, Gorgon, Heer '46, May '40, Perry, Offensive, Tsuba, etc.
I don't play GW games but I probably buy a pack or two of their miniatures a year if I think they're cool or want to convert them. Yes, it's a fact they're more expensive on a per miniature basis and that's not changing. The miniatures in the new Cities of Sigmar pack are a bit disappointing.
I haven't kept track of age of smegmar, do they even still have rules for plain old "humans with pikes", "humans with guns" and "humans with two handed swords"?
And are those actually 28mm scale or will they look weird with aos units?
There's a fatalism to posts like this that really boils my piss. It's not whole hobbies 'being watered down and turned into "lifestyle brands" ' it's the most normshit of normshit that's already all or most of the way there. WRG didn't sell 150 loot crates of t-shirts and posters with designs never to be repeated for the DBA 30th, or whatever.
Subcultures and hobbies being watered down and turned into "lifestyle brands" by big corporations has done more damage to our cultural heritage than anything else in recent history.
Bro with 2 liters of resin I have printed 2 1000 point armies for OPR, with a lot wasted troubleshooting. each bottle was like 24 USD
Same here. I made 2 fleets for bfg while learning the ropes plus fricking loads of terminators and bits.
Here is my LaD, just few models short before painting starts.
These look like trash, I and many others would not play with you. You're cheapness and evasiveness are disrespectful to hard working 'consumers'. Who inspired such games to be marketed and produced. Buy knock-offs, because then you are still feeding someones family.
writing less would be less effort and make your bait less unsubtle too
>These look like trash
>They're just the actual GW minis
Keksimus maximus
Those Bullgryns look great. The infantry look cheap but your camera is so unbelievably shitty it's hard to tell if they'd actually look that bad in real life.
Popularity is not a measure of quality but it is a measure of relevance, and relevance is the only thing that matters.
cope!
that will be your strategy, irrelevantlet
Relevance is just a synonym for popularity in that context
Yep. Once you've been burned once with the time, money, and effort it takes to get people to try another game - which usually ends in failure after a few goes; GW is the obvious place you land.
The price premium is nothing compared to how much of a giant pain in the ass it is to coordinate friends or a club to get into any other game.
Ha, in the time it takes you to look at the rulebook for a different game, the 40k you know has morphed into a completely different edition using models different from the one you own.
Disgusting. You're like one of those vapid, aimless homosexuals who'd rather watch reality TV or play the most rancid Ubishart game than go and do something else if an actually-good show or game isn't available. Where are you standards. Where is your fricking self-respect.
I'd rather play genuinely good games a handful of times a year than forcefeed myself a steady weekly diet of modern GWslop. Not that I have to, because I have an actual work ethic and enough of a backbone to put my foot down, so it's not actually all that hard to get people to play other stuff. God damn you're repugnant.
It’s toy soldiers lol, don’t take it too seriously
>spends all day every day defending something
>gets BTFO’d
>actually it doesn’t matter/it’s just for kids/ why do you care so much
The left wing handbook to arguing over the mass media that shapes culture and society
>spends all day every day defending something
I don’t even play miniature games lol. I think they all have shitty gameplay.
You just need to chill out. It’s just little plastic army men, the game is almost irrelevant.
>I’m on the mini gaming board to own da chuds and arguing with you right now about it but I totally don’t care, why do you care so much?
So convincing. Argue further about something you totally don’t care about and Tell me a few more times how you don’t care and how I shouldn’t
>mini gaming board
moron
I want to do wargames involving the Spanish civil war and the Russian Civil War but there seems to be no existing market for (anti-)communist conflicts. I found one site selling models for cossacks at least.
>He can’t find a system for early 20th century warfare
Any game set in the spanish civil war needs rules to see how much warcrimes you commit.
Can't commit war crimes against communists anon, only humans.
t. Facha adorador de moros
Ares Wargames makes tons of Russian Civil War stuff and Blood and Valor just came out with rules
Peter Pig has a Spanish Civil War game line called, Bayonet and Ideology.
https://www.peterpig.co.uk/13%20%20SCW.html
Northstar has minis for russian civil war, Empress should have a lot of minis for spain (and probably russia too)
Also WGA is putting up a poll to see what kit to vote on next and Civil War Spanish are an option.
They also just released russian WW1 infantry in plastic, which probably will be perfectly fine for russian civil war/interwar and maybe even communist militia in spain.
The French resistance box mixed with one of the WW1 infantry boxes depending on which bolt action rifles you want (presumably mausers if it's Spain) is pretty good, not perfect but it works for making armed civilians. Here are some spartacists
If I wanted to be unfair I'd have compared it to the old Zulu starter that's 120 infantry and 3 metal commanders for $85.
man I really wish the Perrys just fricking sculpted some fantasy.
at those prices I'd probably spend 10 times more than I have ever spent with GW directly
I wish they would too. It probably doesn't interest them though.
They sculpted the entire empire and brettonian dogs of war and many many others already though which still look incredible and match perfectly their historicals
>Implying I'd want to play as G*rmans
thats the entire empire.
This is age of gaymar.
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Why are you even here? To cry about a game you never played?
>
You haven’t posted any games, models or books, chudecondary… me thinks it’s time to banish you back to the shadow realm (/pol/)
>creative sublime sculpts for a beloved game payed by millions
>shitty generic soulless historical slop no one plays
You could not pay me to take them
The fat black lesbians aren't historical homosexual, I assume that's what you mean as 'millions' do not play age of fisher price and it is only beloved by paypigs
>if you don't like historicals you must like the current state of warhammer
>You could not pay me to take them
Probably cause you're getting paid by GW. That was some 1/10 shilling for the soulless trash called AoS. kys.
By pure chance it's the complete opposite for me.
If James Wokrshop himself rang my door and tried to pay me £200 to take one of his finest AI-generated age of slopmar cities of creative bankruptcy boxes I would be like.
>"not thanks, I'm not all that into 80's fantasy B-flicks and Victorian cast iron fencing"
That's besmirching AI's good name.
That's actually incredible. What is this mini and how did gw make something so irremediably ugly?
They just model it after real br*tish people.
Thank God I am not one of them, nothing worse than an anglo.
>that
>British
You got worms in your brains, zoomer.
Dunno I been in London and that phenotype ain't rare.
Looks like Bill Cosby after 10 years in prison
>Bill Cosby after 10 years in prison
More like picrel
not gonna lie, if the one on the right was a real mini, I'd get that in a heartbeat.
They can and will.
One of the biggest reasons people buy GW models is because they like the settings, and GW has a monopoly on that IP, so they can pretty much charge as much as they want as long as there’s enough people who want officially licensed warhammer minis
>GW has a monopoly on their IP
>Those Warlord Models
>The worst of the already not so great Pike and Shotte Line
If you had posted the Perry Bros Civil War Battle in a Box I've have sympathy, but Warlord? Heavens no, they're like the worst of the plastic model makers, even Fireforge does better than them.
Plus, For 162 Dollars I can get 5 boxes of Perry and WGA and wind up with the same spread, but with better models.
Those are Progloria sculpts they bought.
Interesting but they're still hideous
I think the warlord landsknechts are nice kits with crisp detail and great value for money. Sure, it would be nice for the pikemen to have different poses.
For 162 i could buy 5 boxes of WGA Conquistadors, thats true. But those Warlord Landsknechts are still great models. Maybe because they were not sculpted by Warlord but rather bought from a kickstarted project of a different company.
GW is probably paying itself a licenseíng fee for the use of its original designs and setting.
https://a.co/d/2fWzfXI
>300 count
> 15 bucks
Damn perry is getting as bad as GW, don't know how anyone buys from either brand
you can play 40k with dried up dog and cat turds.
If you are going to play a game with whatever models you want then you might as well play a good game.
drop n plop commander
stop spilling the beans on historics. Shhhhh
>149 models
>about 30 unique sculpts
Don't say this when everything in the AoS box is monopose.
I am so glad I live in England and actually have a local gaming scene that isn't just "I get in my 2005 Chevy Impala and drive 60 miles to a shop that mostly now sells Big Bang Theory coasters, so I can get tabled in 2 turns by the latest Metawatch-broken nu40k army"
>find someone else that plays Hail Caesar after years of looking
>"oh you collect Carthaginians? Sorry anon I have Baltic Crusade Muscovites, guess we can't play"
It's called beer and pretzels you fricking moron
I play my Commandos against Soviets and Americans all the fricking time
That was an actual exchange.
Go back and tell him "it's a beer and pretzels game you fool, let's play a pickup game tonight"
Nice table anon where's that from?
t.fellow bong.
From "Other Partizan" this weekend in Newark. The main one takes place in May
In the past ten years I have only found one FLGS that was not 90% funkopops and shitty rick and morty merch.
That’s what killed my interest in the hobby. Game stores got replaced by shitty collectable stores that maybe have one box of space marines on the wall just so they can check the box that says they sell war gaming models.
GW expects FLGS owners to drop 20-50k on a wall of their dogshit miniatures that appeal to actual morons and requires dedicated tables
oh and half the shit will be unsellable in a year because random shit updates and dropping lines
imagine investing into a wall of specialist games dogshit or age of shit? none of that crap moves
or I could just sell mcfricking magic cards and make way more money
you should talk to some store owners
Yes I am aware of how GW treats store owners. That single box of space marines they usually have is all thats remaining after the owner gets burned by GW.
Subcultures and hobbies being watered down and turned into "lifestyle brands" by big corporations has done more damage to our cultural heritage than anything else in recent history.
Can you just fricking stop you sick frick. This post hit way too close to home. I tried to get into warhammer fantasy all the way back in 2014 and couldn’t find a single store that hosted games within 30 minutes of me and I live in one of the biggest american cities. Everyone just told me to play 40kuck instead
I've wanted to get into infinity and kill team for years but the nearest store with a group that plays is a 2-3 hour drive with evening traffic and there is no actual way to get there public transit either. I live in a city with over a million people but there is only one game store that sells miniatures outside of D&D branded stuff, and it has no gaming tables.
This is silly, I live in 50k town in Poland and can play Warhammer, Saga, Bolt Action, etc. no problem
maybe things are as bad as people say, and in rural australia i'm simply lucky to have an amazing wargaming scene, but i reckon it's down to Ganker being full of autists that egg each other on to be the worst possible versions of themselves - /tg/ is a board for the guys that stink up stores
You are not in rural Australia I guarantee it
apologies, it's a little dark here and there's no kangaroos in the paddock at present
This is a bit of a thing in NZ too, that (proportionally) the bigger cities no longer do tabletop wargames, and more rural areas and regional cities seem to do it a lot.
I have a cousin who lives on the Westcoast (a region with a grand total of 15k people across 25,000 km2) and there are multiple wargames clubs apparently.
why even disbelieve me anyway?
proportionally higher numbers of clubs in the countryside here too, think it's down to a few things
>fewer dedicated hobby stores with tables, prospective wargamers are forced into the club system where they have to actually meaningfully engage with their local community and shower from time to tine too
>city clubs are large and concentrated owing to overheads
>private clubs and groups are largely invisible
I feel personally attacked by this post and will now call my congressman to have England banned from the internet.
you own no guns and you own no knives
>almost every single person in that photo is likely to be dead within the next ten to 30 years
Feels extremely bad
>AoSmeg box is £120, aka about $150 but they add an extra $50 because frick you
>Warlord box is £101 or $120ish but add $42 because frick you
>these are prices with VAT that you don't have to pay in the USA, meaning they should cost even less than that instead of half again as much more
Never buy from the manufacturer.
>left
Looks good.
>right
Looks crap.
That's literally all that matters. You can't compare the Gioconda with a million scribbles of dicks and pretend the Gioconda should cost less by comparing it to trash.
Throughout the hobbies history many game lines have had models on par or nicer than games workshop standards, but that didnt count somehow
It never counts.
Of course those don't fricking count. They look like old lead toy soldiers my grandpa played with. The level and crispiness of details and edges is nonexistent and the theme is rancid and uninteresting for most of the current population of wargamers.
Come the frick on.
>lies
i would have thought with how much of a cult coalesced around duncan rhodes a 40k fanboy wouldn't lay it on quite so thick
*gw fanboy rather
oh well, same thing really
Okay that's a nice one lel
>the theme is rancid and uninteresting
Surely if that were the case they would be more popular amongst the LGS audience, no?
>>left
>Looks good.
>new cities of sigmar models
>looks good
These are like high fidelity mantic designs and mould crispness doesn’t change the fact that these armour designs are horrid
I like the armor design... from the neck down. And I think it's kinda sad how desperate they are to do the random Black women in AoS.
The armor design is straight up good. Looks like a blend of Byzantine and Western European styles. Better than wowshit sigmarines. The black women are cringe though.
>Looks like a blend of Byzantine and Western European
This means nothing. Roman and western at what point in time? And no they don't they're just generic fantasy.
You knew and understood exactly what I meant, don’t know what you get out of being obtuse like this, but if you’re actually moronic I can claifry, looks like 15th century Western European plate armor, with the medieval Byzantine kettle-like helms that you’d see for the entire duration of the medieval era of the empire
Also kind of like the Lithuanian helmets of the 15th/14th centuries
More like 14th century half plate now that I look closer
>half plate
If your understanding of armor comes from a DnD sourcebook or equivalent you probably shouldn't bother trying to match fantasy styles to IRL armor. It's not gonna work out.
I meant transitional plate homosexual kys
They don't look like that at all moron, and the Romans didn't have one style of helmet for a thousand literal goddamn years.
>Romans didn't have one style of helmet for a thousand literal goddamn years.
No one said that schizo. They did however, use the type of helmet i pointed out for a thousand years, but they used others along side them obviously you fricking tard
These real helmets don’t have the pointless ugly diamond shaped and general over-angularisation present in the sigmar designs, you like the designs because they remind you of something cool irl not because the designs themselves are good, because they aren’t
They look like those real medieval armours pushed through the shitty filter of generic modern fantasy where everything is over designed with pointless metal plating
The helmets look like late medieval chapel de fer but the armour is just generic fantasy guff with random armour plates strapped to clothes
Good? It's shitty WOW pauldron core, with a fricking castle door as a shield.
Why would I buy that instead of buying a box each of hard plastic multipart western footmen and byzantine infantry and kitbashing them? It would probably be much cheaper mini by mini
shields are dogshit though
>Better than wowshit sigmarines.
How is this even an argument. Everything is better than literal shit.
>Looks like a blend of Byzantine and Western European styles
Sure it does. With some needless details slapped onto it because we cant have any larger untextured areas on our models, because that would look bad if painted with contrast paint.
The historical influences are there, but its just randomly mixed together without any sense or direction behind it, because the cavalry is completely different.
The cities of shitmar must have gone through their best already considering they are throwing a literal down syndrome moron and a man with one eye led by some negress at the enemy. I thought that it couldn't get any worse when 1/10th of the army didn't have any shoes, boy was I wrong!
The actual plastic sprues are good quality, like all GW does. Little mold lines, little gaps and crisp details, but everything else on those new Sigmar models is pure garbage.
Even if those models are the aesthetically worst looking of the entire game, they are still miles better quality wise to the mediocre historical crap the OP was comparing them to.
>they are still miles better quality wise
Nobody ever doubts that with GW minis in 2023 (even tho there are still some with very ugly gaps that need filling).
But the aesthetic is just so wrong and feels completely random with the Cities of Sigmar dudes. People were complaining about overdetails on some minis before, and these are like GW wanted to show everyone how details for the sake of details really looks like. They are so busy, and yet so random, and nothing really makes sense with them like having the bottom of the shield being plain wood..
Basically like an HD 4k video on an HD 4k screen of a lump of shit.
Versus, I dunno, Valkyrie Drive. Would you rather watch the high quality literal shit or still very good quality but not as technically advanced bouncy breasts?
what do you actually mean by quality anyway? in terms of the sculpts the proportions are shitty but that's only because they're intended to also be used as Empire proxies and have to fit in with ugly proportions like these
Warhammer gays don't actually care about miniature wargaming, they care about buying the latest toys from their favorite company (while still constantly b***hing about the lore, rules and prices for some reason).
I see the problem anon, the right one is on squeares......why anyone would want that?
I have models on both rounds and squares, I like how squares take less space and rank up nicely. Though I do use movement trays for both squares and rounds.
They're multibased so you don't have to push 200 models around individually
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Mot him bit I abhorred the historical gays in whfb. They're the guardgays of fantasy.
I realize that you're a communist so you don't understand this, but value is subjective.
>if you don't simp gw you're a commie
every time I think threads like this are getting a bit tired then comes the most astonishingly moronic cope from the geedubs sois
That you're apparently confused and upset by the idea that different people value things differently means that you're either a communist, or are operating under the same delusions as one. That you somehow think having this pointed out to you is "simping for GW" means that you're also a fricking moron.
calm down m8 the berlin wall fell 3 decades ago
It's now canon only socialists enjoy non-GW wargames.
Couldnt you just use army on right to play warhammer empire?
Yes, but it doesn't say GW on the box so coomsoomers are instantly filtered
Yes.
If any man posts a picture of a tasteful army built from historicals in /wfg/ I will give him a (non-gay) kiss on the forehead.
Army on the right is overpriced by 162$ because it's actual value is 0$, given that it's useless for both wargaming and hobbying
>useless for both wargaming and hobbying
how lmao
Absolutely seething GW drone. Many such cases. Sad.
He's right. The only drones here are you and your kind, mindlessly shilling some nonsense and having no games.
James isn't going to frick you, piggie.
just bend the rules
You don't have to, because you can easily make the pikemen be units of 16 (4x4) and be wholly legal within the rules as that enables you to field 6 units of Landsknecht pike. It's just that, as shown on their picture, the army is illegal.
>you can't play with those models
>be a you just can't, ok?!
>Landsknechts are from the Imperial army list
>you get, as they're shown, four units of pikemen
>per the rules you get one unit of shotte per two units of pike for these specific units
>the two-handers however you only get one unit for every three pikemen
>meaning you can't actually field one unit of two-handers at all unless you buy two more units of pike
leaving aside that pike and shotte is the worst of the warlord big book rulesets and only a fool would use it over other systems for the era, the french have access to landsknechte too
They sell the sprues separate anyway.
They could charge 10 times what they charge now and still make bank, the fact that they don't do it shows you how humble they are. Don't blame the company, blame the fandom
Maybe I'll just use Pike and Shot models to build a warhammer fantasy empire army.
Nogames morons don't even understand the hobby and posts like this prove it.
I buy a lot of GW product and I buy a lot of historicals.
No miniature wargames ever looks at his fully painted army and thinks about how much coin they spent on it. That cost is so insignifcant compared to all those hours you put in to make the army come alive.
I have no idea how much I've spent on my 40k orks, or my US Late War infantry company. It's nowhere near to make any difference.
true, but if I've got more projects I want to do than I feasibly have time for refurbishing my chaos army is going to keep getting bumped to the bottom of the list while the price tag (105 AUD for a box of 10 CSMs now) reminds me of all those other projects and stops me from impulse buying
cities soldiers look so gorilla and 40k like compared to other sigmar armies. It sucks. I thought they would look like the dudes from cursed city.
Cursed City was made by Specialist Games, not the AoS team.
Witch hunters all look somewhat coherent with the CC guy and CoS curently only have chaff soldiers, not elite knights like the lady
It's already been said but WLG's miniatures are often not great. Some ranges are their own sculpts and some they have purchased. Their rule sets are generally bad as well but you're not obligated to use them. I occasionally buy WLG miniatures when my LGS puts them on deep discount and use them for conversion or build just a few of them for various projects. The last WLG pack I got was their AWI Continental Starter Army when I caught it at an 80% discount to flesh out some stuff but otherwise for that setting I have Brigade Games miniatures. For stuff like WWII there are so many better alternatives available in my opinion. I've painted a lot of WLG stuff for WWII and don't really plan to paint any more of it. WWII is such a vast setting there are so many great options available offering superior miniatures like Artizan, Empress, Eureka, Gorgon, Heer '46, May '40, Perry, Offensive, Tsuba, etc.
I don't play GW games but I probably buy a pack or two of their miniatures a year if I think they're cool or want to convert them. Yes, it's a fact they're more expensive on a per miniature basis and that's not changing. The miniatures in the new Cities of Sigmar pack are a bit disappointing.
I haven't kept track of age of smegmar, do they even still have rules for plain old "humans with pikes", "humans with guns" and "humans with two handed swords"?
And are those actually 28mm scale or will they look weird with aos units?
No, just humans with foam mallets.
I'm still gutted I didn't get the Jacobite box when they still made it.
We should kill any wargamers who do not play 40k.
>We should kill any "wargamers" who play 40k.
FTFY
I wish GW would actually make a good set of rules, but they probably can't anymore. Not for lack of ability but because it'd be less profitable.
>Not for lack of ability
that's overly charitable surely?
Stop buying from them. Imagine that you have control over your own spending habits and you just stop buying GW products.
There's a fatalism to posts like this that really boils my piss. It's not whole hobbies 'being watered down and turned into "lifestyle brands" ' it's the most normshit of normshit that's already all or most of the way there. WRG didn't sell 150 loot crates of t-shirts and posters with designs never to be repeated for the DBA 30th, or whatever.
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