>human centrism propaganda. Uses the lesser races when they don't kill them. Is hated by everyone because of this. Completely oblivious to this fact and assumes it's because other races are just haters and evil.
>Leader is a space wizard who is worshipped as a god. Not a god. Just an ancient butthole. Don't you dare say that to his fanboys tho. Hides his appearance to make himself more appealing.
>Typical military tactic is moronic infantry, but terrifying elite forces and even more terrifying superweapons.
>"You don't understand! You need us! other wise the enemies we foster are going to get you!"
>dick measuring within military
>cyborg pet projects that make horrors beyond human comprehension.
>Makes use of the criminal underbelly instead of stamping it out because what are we some kind of authority?
>Doesn't actually do anything unless somebody threatens their authority.
>Oh yeah and our poster boy is a magic giant in a suit that's keeping him alive. He has depression and he fights all the guys we don't like and he always wins.
Give me ONE reason why I should be loving one and hating the other.
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>Tau serving as an Admiral in the Imperium
>Emperor of Mankind clones himself to manifest his psychic essence in a new, fresh body
>Horus Heresy???
>Starfighters compared to anything in WH40k
>Muh Starviper
>Muh Prince Xizor
>Jedi are actually tapping into an evil dimension full of psychosis demons to lift rocks.
>The Imperium of Man builds a death star
Sage in every field on each planet in the respective Empires. You completely missed the point of your own post.
>>Tau serving as an Admiral in the Imperium
> exception Non-human running position of power because the emperor liked them and made an exception for them.
of Mankind clones himself to manifest his psychic essence in a new, fresh body
>Emperor of mankind has a weird cult try to do that for him.
>Horus Heresy?!
>A rebellion of humans and nonhumans to change the tyrannical government. Ending with the right hand man supposedly killing the emperor.
>Starfighters compared to anything in WH40k
>40k doesn't have starfighters
>>Muh Prince Xizor
>Implying the imperium doesn't have organized crime in it's capital that influences their decisions.
>>Jedi are actually tapping into an evil dimension full of psychosis demons to lift rocks.
>ebil magic man (to us) are using the evil entity (despite the fact we use it too) to lift rocks. KILL THEM WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE!
>>>The Imperium of Man builds a death star
>No we don't have a space station that blows up worlds.....our ship that are the size of some planets already do that.....
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thing
>Jedi are actually tapping into an evil dimension full of psychosis demons to lift rocks.
op is a homosexual but I have always gotten the unintentional vibe that the force is a predatory/parasitic force and that the light side way of using it tempers it into something benevolent or at the very least not dangerous to its wielder and everyone around them.
That's similar to how it works even in the movie tie-in novels. The dark side is the Force that comes from violent predators in Mace Windu's book.
The "Dark Side" is when you tap into the full Force including that from violence and negativity, but Jedi don't use it as much because that much juice exceeds their bodies capacity and damages both body and mind.
It's not far off from a Psyker vs heretical Psyker
That would be cool, however OP is a fricking gay. Having the light side of the force being semi-parasitic and feeding on the negative emotion, whereas the Dark Side of the force is those same parasitic forces becoming too gluttonous and greedy and stirring their "host" into being more productive.
>Somehow Horus returned
>Somehow Horus returned
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Okay, funny joke Anon, but they're really not going to bring back Horus
Right?
He’s lying Horus is dead the ending was held back
The day they bring back Horus is the day when GW will be loosing a ton of money.
People used to say the same shit about Guilliman/any of the other primarchs
Except guilliman returning was handled well and his return was in line with the lore
>Inb4 well written
Don't @ me
>Except guilliman returning was handled well
Yeah, all it took was a Mary Sue space elf slathering him in gamer elf bathwater and literally killing then resurrecting him while cracking apart a beloved craftworld to asspull a new eldar soup faction and the deletion of all classic marine units into existence to make it happen. TOTALLY handled well, that. It was handled SO well that GW even retconned half of his actions to have another go at it!
>One is autocratic in order to unite all mankind against a menace from outside the galaxy that uses biotechnology, while the other uses oppression and is objectively the best hope for mankind.
>One makes morons seethe because it's a functional empire that enforces laws while the other devastates entire planets
Now If you could kindly point out which is which because there is an argument for both here.
Starwars = racist empire bad!
Warhammer 40k =racist empire good!
Disney=Racist Empire exists!
>One is autocratic in order to unite all mankind against a menace from outside the galaxy that uses biotechnology
both of them (attempt to) do this.
>while the other uses oppression and is objectively the best hope for mankind.
both of them do this. Especially when you consider both unapologetically favor humans above everyone else.
>One makes morons seethe because it's a functional empire that enforces laws
Neither of them are functional empires, they both enforce laws.
>while the other devastates entire planets.
They both do this.
>Neither of them are functional empires
The Imperium managed to last 10,000+ years while Palpatine's Empire lasted like, what? 20 years?
What does the Imperium need to be a functional empire? If it wasn't functional you'd think after 10,000+ years it would've collapsed like the Star League did in Battletech.
The Imperium is space feudalism, the Empire is space totalitarianism. There's quite a bit of a difference. Ironically, the Imperium is more comparable to the ancient Sith empires. They even have a similar aesthetic.
>The Imperium is space feudalism, the Empire is space totalitarianism.
Funny you say that. Are you familiar with what a moff is? It's essentially a planetary governor. In charge of taking taxes, maintaining peace, and raising armies. Other than that they can do whatever they want so long as they don't screw with the emperor.
Sound familiar?
Due to the ability to reliably cross the galaxy in a week or two sector governments don’t have autonomy Imperial governors have, who could go centuries without receiving a message or instruction sourced from Terra
>Is hated by everyone because of this. Completely oblivious to this fact and assumes it's because other races are just haters and evil.
Yeah, chaos and orks and tyranids and dark eldar are just misunderstood.
>he doesn’t know about the time that the Galactic Republic was ruled by a human supremacist theocracy
You don't understand shit about 40k. So many of these comparisons are moronic reaching nonsense. The two settings are completely incomparable.
I'm not reading any of that moron vomit because not a false choice you Black personhomosexual. Nobody is forcing you to hate anything and nobody is persecuting you for liking anything. Stop pathetically requiring /tg/'s blessing to have self-affirmation of what brings you enjoyment.
You're actually right. In both cases the human empire, luciferian, is contrasted with satanic foes they have vanquished or defeated so severly that they won't come up again.
The Galactic Empire doesn't constantly forget entire systems exist because their FTL is actually pretty good and reliable.
They have lost systems purely because they're useless and they don't care. Just like the imperium.
>Yeah our guys are bad, but uh their guys are worse!
subjective propaganda. You have to consider that all 40k lore is through the lense of imperial scribes.
>What does the Imperium need to be a functional empire?
Are you really going to try to argue that the IoM, "on the brink of stagnation and collapse", is functional? Are we really going to go there anon?
>He believes the emperor who's known for being a selfish liar just like his star wars counterpart.
BUT HE'S A GOLD GIANT! HE HAS TO BE TELLING THE TRUTH!
Name a single planet the Galactic Empire completely forgot about and couldn't find.
>BUT HE'S A GOLD GIANT! HE HAS TO BE TELLING THE TRUTH!
The star wars emperor is comically and obviously evil and you're telling me when he declared himself number 1, no powerful warlord or ambitious ruler said "hey if we're going to have an empire instead of a republic then I should be in charge" just a bunch of holdouts from the republic which was itself an oligarchic institution representing kings and queens and corporations like amidala and the trade federation, mistakenly and bafflingly being posited as some kind of le voting good thing by dumb americans obsessed with superficial displays of freedom.
The Emperor of humanity specifically took over in a vacuum where his control of technological and wizard powers made him the obvious winner against all other wannabe human empires and most importantly his biggest asset was his glamours that made him appear trustworthy at all times, while Sheev- again- was comically and obviously a bad guy and no one called him on it.
>Are you really going to try to argue that the IoM, "on the brink of stagnation and collapse", is functional?
It's been on the brink of stagnation and collapse forever, and now that big Bobby G's back he's turning shit around. But even before that they were still making Custodes, still making terminator armour, still making marines, still making titans and gigantic ass ships the size of countries, still discovering STCs and gaining new to them knowledge.
Plus, it's canon that the almost stagnating and collapsing Imperium is - well was - bigger in 40,000 than at the end of the Great Crusade.
Something that's non-functional doesn't last ten fricking thousand years, anon.
You could've just answered the question instead of being a fricktard high on your own redditism.
Which doesn't make sense because the Imperium's problems, before the big rift boogaloo in 2017, was that it was endlessly bureaucratic because it turns out managing millions of worlds is pretty hard and some slip through the cracks meanwhile the Galactic Empire somehow functions perfectly.
It's a lot easier to manage all that stuff when you can cross the galaxy in a couple weeks as opposed to ripping a hole into the warp and hoping the Navigator's estimates were correct.
It's not a matter of travel times, it's a matter of paperwork. You need every accountant and bureaucrat and lawyer and functionary to remember all these guys exist and make sure the laws are being applied and tithes paid on time. A single world that produces little of value can easily be forgotten. Even in burger land there are people who just live in the woods away from civilization because it's not worth hunting down every last penny.
It isn't mentioned because star wars is a badly thought out setting by people who like comic books.
>It isn't mentioned because star wars is a badly thought out setting by people who like comic books.
So the Empire doesn't lose planets.
It's easy when they've only got like a dozen and only existed for twenty years.
Imperium has badguys who are actually worse than them, Empire doesn't have that, that's the main reason. There are a lot of other important differences but relative to your question that's the main one.
I still prefer the feds from Firefly. There badguys, but they're not like, the worst guys. They're just a gubermint.
In the 40k universe the struggle is a zero sum existential competition. In Star Wars the Sith gain personal power through causing misery and pain. The Emperor of Mankind attempted to save all of humanity from destructuon. The Emperor of the Galactic Empire wanted to make himself an immortal ruler. The Emperor of Mankind saw the threat of Chaos and tried to deny it power. The Emperor of the Galactic Empire basically turned himself into an avatar of the Dark Side and preached giving in to its influence. The end result of both is a miserable, soul crushing government, but one was a failure for it while the other saw it as a feature instead of a bug.
Arguably st*r wars also lifted the idea of bio aliens who hate the force from 40k in the form of the yuuzhan vong- whose anti-force, bioships, turning biomass into usable stuff and being buttholes who want to kill everyone and the evil emperor was trying to defend against them are all clearly on some level inspired by 40k.
>inspired by 40k
Maybe, but I think it's more probable that any setting where magic users are super powerful is going to find a way to introduce a threat that is immune. Star Wars EU writers came up with several species immune to the Force to use as foils. They did the same thing with several super alloys that could negate light sabers cut-through-anything ability. It's an inevitable need to balance out abilities tgat were not originally meant to be examined too closely or for very long (which is what EU material is forced to do in the quest for more sales.)
Before Cawl magically re-teched the imperium for the 42nd millennium, the Imperium had far more in common with the Trantorian Empire in Asimov's Foundation series, as an ancient and decaying galactic empire with a distant government in which the emperor did little of the ruling and technological advancement was viewed as subversive by the authorities and mutant psychics were aggressively eating the fragmenting empire's lunch.
The foundation series really laid the groundwork for a lot of concepts 40K lifted from, including tech priests
And 30k too, since the deepest lore of the setting is that I, Robot went back in time and eliminated aliens while marginalizing human mutants like the hermaphrodite planet and gaians as best he could to ensure humanity would be able to dominate the galaxy- much like how 30k finds convenient reasons why aliens who hated humanity didn't attack humanity during the HH.
The human centrism of the GE is a creation of the EU and much great emphasis is put the simple heavy handedness of Imperial repression and exploitation of the outer and mid rim. Also the IoM isn't particularly hated by anyone but Chaos followers, usually Imperial breakaways themselves. Deldar just view them as victims and cattle. Eldar as squatters and animals. Orks fricking love the IoM because they're the easiest fight to find. Nid's are just hungry. Necron just want some peace and fricking quiet. Tau think they're backwards and ultimately just view them as a competing empire. The only reason any of them primarily end up fighting the IoM is because they occupy most of the galaxy so they're always the more apparent target.
>Give me ONE reason why I should be loving one and hating the other.
This is just fricking stupid. Nobody is telling you to love or hate either. None of the shit you wrote is as clever as you think and just illustrates that you don't understand either.
The core difference between their emperors, I think make the differences more obvious
>neoth was born in a neolithic society, a bit north to the site of a still inhabited Gobleki Teppe, his earliest memories involve seeing people pledge by wall handprint to follow a warlord and killing his uncle after he murdered his father, instilling a desire for order.
>He spent most of his life living among humanity, fighting evil alien entities and burying them in planets when he couldn't kill them
>Only sets about empire business after humanity is hit with 2 big crises he didn't seem to cause
>Initial rise to power is based on open and subvert warfare in a world full of it already
>Tries to recruit other immortal supermen to run the empire
>makes his own after only one stays with him for the long run
>Offers a beleagered humanity access to relitivley stabilised ftl, stellar navy and stable supersoldiers
>begins the process of letting normal people be in charge of governance
>biggest rebels against him where gaslit by deamons to do it.
>Genuinley loved humanity at large, not as indivuals
>Preferred ornate baroque architecture
>Sheeve was a noble in space venice
>hated his dad
>studied and sought out a dark wisard cabal inbetween underground speeder races and aristocrat meetings
>killed his father
>spent his whole adult life subverting governmental checks and ballences in an ancient conspiracy
>started crisis's to further his power
>betrayed and killed everyone who knew of his plan
>makes society less functional on all levels
>Enjoyed a few people, loved no one.
>biggest rebel threat where organised political idealists, motivated entirely by their own ideals
>hated his planets aesthetics, made cold industrial the standard architecture and drab uniforms mandatory.
Well you're an emotional child for hating either, and a mental child for not seeing the fine distinction between a millennia-old decaying empire, and a brief period of despotism in a failing democracy. The corruption of group of evil people seizing control of the state, as opposed to the slow decline of an overworked bureaucracy into ineffectuality. The Imperium is far more decrepit than it is corrupt, whereas the Empire is vital, expanding. They're actually opposites, with the Imperium being a feminine, reactive force and the Empire being a masculine proactive force. This is basic narrative stuff dude.
The Imperium put skulls on everything because death is omnipresent for them. It's everything. The universe is a slaughterhouse and they are the cattle. They're Space Catholics. They are perpetually consumed with guilt, nothing works, they're all fricked, they hate themselves and they wish things weren't fricked. But they aren't actually evil. They're victims of their own human failings. They use child-skulls as ashtrays because they know that the Emperor would never, EVER ash on the floor, they can't make the Emperor sad, but since Lorgar and Russ got plastered and decreed that only child-skulls be used as ashtrays those are the only ones anyone knows how to make, so it's either make the Emperor cry, or child skull ashtrays. And frankly, we are not in a shortage of child skulls. Every sympathetic IoM guy is a martyr.
The Empire don't put skulls on anything, but everything looks like a fricking skull because they're actually death-worshipping psychopaths. They are Space Anglos. They ARE the thing that is doing the fricking that fricked everything up. They are superhuman in their villainy. They don't use child skulls as ashtrays because they don't smoke. They also don't drink. They have sex with their uniforms on and cut the fat off of their steaks before they eat. Every single sympathetic Empire character is a traitor.
>Give me ONE reason why I should be loving one and hating the other.
Because one is owned by Didney and hasn't had any good media in over a decade, mousecuck.
>hasn't had any good media in over a decade
Where the frick have you been? 7th and beyond has all been downhill for 40k.
Disney didn't change the Empire, the New Order being the skinhead motorcycle gang to the Empire's Third Reich was the only good part of the sequels. You got the distinct impression that Hux the character space youtube-searched "evil military speeches" to get the mannerisms right to try and be intimidating and evil. You get the general impression that they're kind of incompetent, whereas the Empire was canonically super hardcore and badass the First Order are a bunch of idiot chumps, they're not getting beaten up by Han Solo or Luke Skywalker (Jesus Christ what a name) this Aryan wizard-knight cyborg with actual real facial scars that don't look cool because Mark Hamill actually has a fricked up face and so are actually cooler because you can tell they're real, they're getting punked by John Boyega and a middle school boy with a topknot.
The only good part of Disney Star Wars is that they accidentally made the First Order kind of cool in this meta way, where by the end of it I kind of wanted them to win because I just hated the movie so much. You make the villains these kind of weak, victim-physiognomy gays and then have the heroes abuse them over and over, it starts feeling a lot like bullying, and combined with the loathsome heroes it becomes unusually satisfying when Hux elliot rogers coruscant. I hope they reboot the sequels, but keep Adam Driver and Gleeson, same characters, except they're our protagonists.
Reductionist will lead to the fall of society.
>Give me ONE reason why I should be loving one and hating the other.
Because Emperor Palpatine is the charismatic schemer GEoM wishes he was.