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What does Notch have to do with WOW?
since no one else did, i'll give you your (You)
it can't hurt, but lets be honest, the storyline is the least of this games problems. as annoying as the tumblr tier writing is 99% of it can be ignored. I take pride in the fact I've skipped every cutscene and ignored all dialogue, I can't tell you a thing about whats going on or who anyone is, I like to imagine players like me make the writers seethe. but it really is completely inconsequential to gameplay, all that matters in this game is the setting, and DF and SL are both really fricking lame in that regard, especially in making the horde and alliance best friends
now go do your whelp daycare quests.
I'd say it's a big problem actually.
How many people dipped after wotlk concluded?
How many people left after they were done scraping the bottom of the barrel in Legion?
They need to do a hard reset and have the story motivate the gameplay, not the other way around, it becomes much less of a world to be immersed in when you're killing some yet another world ending villain that simply does not exist outside of the boss room and it drops an utterly meaningless sword of +bajillion damage that you transmogrify into a pink heart wand to go with your totally in-universe not-magical girl outfit.
wow has never had a good story. there's an argument to be made that vanilla had a decent one and I think that's because it was presented as more background lore that was interesting since it was fairly vague and alluded to there being much more going on behind the scenes. you make a reasonable point, but the issue you describe is with the OG wow devs blowing their load too early and doing every major antagonist one after the other until they ran out of source material, danuser isn't responsible for that. the issue with danuser is that he had to make new OC and showed that he was not capable of doing it and drove players away. another thing that I find surprising is how many people are praising Metzen coming back, as if people didn't shit on him for the constant corruption storylines and Thrall being involved in literally everything. but I guess a drowning man will latch onto anything
realistically speaking, you are right in that the only way to salvage the story now is to do a hard reset but that simply cannot and will not happen because blizzard won't want to invalidate all those books and extra material they sell.
just let ai write it at this point, better than a californian
>until they ran out of source material
What source material? Metzen wrote WC2 and WC3.
by source material I mean from the warcraft games. the lich king and deathwing etc
I'm not even talking about great writing.
Vanilla story was pretty sketch and half the zone plotlines were just popular tropes and Hollywood plots executed in a lore friendly way, but that's what I'm talking about.
In vanilla they would give you Ernest Hemingway, but make it make sense and not be a major figure, he's just a hunter with piles of money to motivate you to do his hunting for you, even if it's obvious what it is meant to be it was done in a way that it could be handwaved away as an eccentric dwarf wildlife enthusiast, past cata you get one for one carbon copies of out-of-universe characters that behave nothing like warcraft characters, that need to accomplish non-warcraft goals using non-warcraft tools, for some random zone quest you'll get a gnomish invention that should by all logical considerations kickstart a major technological revolution, but it'll never be brought up again because it used this very limited resource only found in one cave and it only works on this specific type of trogg.
Old wow tried to sell you this image of a believable world you can be part of, even if it was at points obviously not true for the sake of gameplay, modern wow doesn't even try.
it's not so much about the quality of the writing as it is about the level of focus placed on the player. in classic/bc and early wrath there was nothing particularly special about the player. they were an adventurer and elevated among tavern keepers and the like for that, but very rarely did the quests or story of the expansion place undue emphasis on the player. I like to think this is because blizz understood that players would look around and see dozens of other people doing what they were doing so to tell them they were somehow special for just doing normal farming would be foolish.
I know this is an ultra normie thing to get tweaked about but eventually it just became impossible to care at an even superficial level what was going on as context for getting ten green bear buttholes instead of the blue ones from the previous zone because every interaction was somehow about my personal journey to be a savior of the entire plane of reality
this is the right answer
the player is just off center of camera somehow doing all these amazing things
>wow has never had a good story
more delusional than the people who say game of thrones was never good
nta but how is he delusional? when did it have a good storyline?
Classic to end of wrath was great
Cata up until end of mop was decent, more than enough
Everything from wod on is cancer
I don't understand this "no good storyline durr" argument at all. Vanilla didn't have one storyline, it had several regional and race-related stories that connected and culminated in the raids. Some were left unfinished because resources and time are limited, but the "main" story, the reveal and defeat of Onyxia, is damn good. The rest are the granular portrayal of the two major themes of the Horde and the Alliance; securing their place in the new world and destroying the old guard for the Horde, and recovering after calamities, reclaiming lost land and uncovering subversive plots for the Alliance. The stories in the zones do a good job at delivering those themes and I have never seen any argument for why they are bad, let alone a "good" argument. It's just the same lie repeated over and over again.
>wow has never had a good story. there's an argument to be made that vanilla had a decent one
I love it when people say this kind of this, and it applies to everything. Pure contrarian morons that think the first season is the only good season and then ignore everything else. Pure cringe moron.
You're talking to WoWbucks that are desperately trying to cope with the fact a beloved franchise has become a former shadow of itself with a story literally written by 40 year old hons, hags and twittertards. These people are unironically paying for propaganda to be shoved down their throat then again they're probably solving capatcha's to say Black person.
>a shadow of its former self
Literally name a single time the writing in WoW was good, or even
Just once, one storyline
Let's just be honest here, Warcraft as a series never had a good story. It was always absolutely fricking moronic.
Somehow it managed to get more and more moronic each passing year with WoW though, which is an accomplishment.
>How many people left after they were done scraping the bottom of the barrel in Legion?Outside of the Odyn and Helya boredomfest raids Legion was amazing for lore. All the artifacts that cleared up some stories, getting rid of tirion and varian, Gul'dan was a ton of fun, We got to fight full power Kil'jaeden, we got rid of illidan, we got to see where the titans have been the whole time, fight two titans, see sargeras and what a titan looks like full size, getting rid of tirion and varian, see argus (was shit), avatar of sargeras, and we got rid of tirion and varian.
They did a hard reset. It was WoD. They still fricked it up.
>How many people dipped after wotlk concluded?
This wasn't because WotLK had a shit story, it's because WotLK had shit content.
>99% of it can be ignored. I take pride in the fact I've skipped every cutscene and ignored all dialogue
You're part of the problem.
How so? I don't play WoW for the story, to me it doesn't matter at all.
Because it makes no difference to the WoW publishers if you skip the story or not. You are a paying subscriber, which tells them to continue business as usual, with their shitty pozzed stories and writing, rather than forcing them to change their ways by voting with your wallet.
Read a book if you want good stories. Games are for gameplay first and foremost. Story is secondary, as you engage with it once and that's it.
Terrible argument. We don't have to settle for a shitty story just because other options are available.
I'm just saying. If story is paramount to you, then video games are not a good medium for that.
having a story that doesn't consistently suck can only be a positive thing, anon.
I will save my judgement for when War Within comes out.
and i will laugh when it is more of the same slop that's been churned out for over a decade.
Your butthole is still sore and gaped from getting repeatedly assfricked by a 2004 game, you're definitely not laughing.
Black person i am schadenfreuding irl at the notion that ANYONE thinks WoW could ever be good again.
and i fricking wish they'd be right for once, god fricking damn it
You don't even have actual complaints about WoW, you're just trying to fit in on Ganker and that's pathetic
WoW is objectively better now than in the past in every regard
>Your butthole is still sore and gaped from getting repeatedly assfricked by a 2004 game
That sounds like the average subscriber to this shitshow, not some guy pointing and laughing at the gaming equivalent of a multicar pileup.
You're trying too hard to fit in.
anon, just let him cope
the completely usual fare of laughing and throwing peanuts at a shit game on Ganker is not at all out of the ordinary, but if it happens to wow, it's just people being obsessed or something
he has no idea what else to tell himself
because it's really sad seeing such a cultural phenomenon like WoW being dethroned. not because the competition is any better, but because they have taken multiple self inflicted shotgun wounds to the face and ruined everything themselves. and this isn't even mentioning the fact that the company is just one giant addict farm now. which it used to be before, don't get me wrong. only now there isn't any actual reason to stick around outside of the fact that people have spent literal decades of their time playing the exact same game(ship of theseus argument not withstanding) and to give it all up now to move on to something else is tantamount to losing everything they've ever known.
it's sad man.
>dethroned
Never happened
>ruined everything
Game is objectively better, hence why you're avoiding actually naming complaints but instead vague posturing
>there isn't any actual reason to stick around
The indisputable best gameplay in mmos is the reason
The Lore of WoW is extremely important for enjoying the world exploration and raids. Why am I here? Why am I killing this? Who is this character that gives me an awesome weapon?
Having good answers to questions like these dramatically improves the gameplay. The Lore context of Outland and Northrend is what partly elevated those expansions to the peak of the game's player base
The lore context for Outland was fricking dogshit you moron larper
There was 0 explanation for anything going on, Vashj, Kael and Illidan were all randomly evil
There's STILL not a logical explanation for what Vashj was doing in zangamarsh, she was just collecting water because she could
when they originally built wow they said gameplay and world first. story/cutscenes were barely a thing outside of text and it was great.
No because you can get banned for saying Black person and your money will be stolen.
now fire the other c**ts that complain about white men on twitter all day
Can't heal something that is already dead.
damage is done and irreparable
>Is the game finally healing?
no. it's long past the point of ever healing, it's stage 4 cancer the mmo.
It's too late.
They'd have to retcon, at a bare minimum, the past 5-8 years for them to even have a chance at redemption, and we all know that's not gonna happen.
With Wrath Classic ending they have a PERFECT jumping pad to get that shit off the ground.
Start a new series of expansions that go from Wrath. No Cataclysm, make new shit.
Or better yet, do it from Vanilla (not SoD/Retail-lite), which is what they should've done from the start.
But the fact that they got Metzen back just to announce a bunch of retail expansions means they're simply going to pretend nothing after Legion actually happened.
Extremely unlikely to happen, and to be honest at this point I don't really want to give Blizzard money out of principle, at this point WoW has been bad for longer than it has been good. The fact that they even thought to show up to a Blizzcon with Dracthir means the entire company needs to go under. There's no saving it.
>T jumping pad to get that shit off the ground.
>Start a new series of expansions that go from Wrath. No Cataclysm, make new shit.
they already announced and i think releeased cata dude.
I feel the exact same way.
We can imagine how good things COULD be, but let's be real, if you spend a decade straight fricking up your company worse and worse with each passing year, there's not going to be a come-to-Jesus moment where they just understand where things went wrong and turn things around.
It's over.
The best we can hope from is that MMOs aren't completely dead and maybe in the next 10-20 the first good MMO in decades will release. Obviously, it won't be made by Koreans.
They still have 10 blue haired demons writing their subversive crap.
>This fat frick is finally gone from World of Warcraft. Is the game finally healing?
>this ugly frick is the sole reason the game was bad
based moron
Not some reason but a pretty large part of it. At least metzen likes the material
Sure dude. Warcraft will be back any day now.
They are still inserting transgender freaks in thisa game? Jesus fricking Christ. WoW needs to burn in hell.
Sorry Mario, maybe one day wow will be good again. Today isn't that day though.
>They are still inserting transgender freaks in thisa game?
theyre doing it way more than you would think too. every random npc in dragonflight is like "Heh. Just discovered my true self. Gaze upon my visage xD "
nice
so every new npc is pelagos. very cool
I'll never forget the immense shit that was the full moron gay centaur questline
That dialogue was insufferable
and it wasn’t even gay in the early beta but the sweet baby esg quota must be met
>and it wasn’t even gay in the early beta
holy frick that makes it even more pathetic. these blue haired cuck devs literally scour through the games quests to find shit to turn gay.
Honestly the worst thing about the Centaur stuff isn't even the gayness, it's the fact that there are Centaur at all. In the original lore they were a horrid abomination created by a son of cenarius clapping earth elemental cheeks and were only born to hate. Then Dragonflight comes along UH ACTUALLY THERE WERE THESE WHOLESOME CHUNGUS CENTAUR ALREADY AND THEY ARE REALLY NICE AND KEANU 100 AND THEY ACTUALLY FOUGHT IN THE WAR OF THE ANCIENTS JUST NOBODY REMEMBERED THEM OK???
and 3/4 have a female chieftain (the 1 clan with a male chieftain is evil)
I can guarantee you that the current WoW devs did not know the origin of the Centaur when making this shit. They just picked random races that haven't been used in a while like Centaur, Gnoll, and Tuskarr to be the inhabitants of the Dragon Isles.
What foul hexes did Bwomsamdi cast upon this poor troll?
Blessed image.
>jaz
is his axe wound also festering and trying to heal?
Funny the moment saw this LITA revamp I knew this was basically just a out of season ingame Pride Month inserted. Also the dailies were fricking broken day one btw.
Frick every moron who still plays this fricking troon game. Frick you.
Eat the shit out of my ass, brownie.
Projecting what you do to blizzard, disgusting subhuman.
Calm down, brownoid.
they'll just blame one of their boogeymen for it
Isn't there a troll joke about cutting off your dick to make it regenerate bigger?
not since 9.1.5
>Expansions nobody cares about
>Completely overhauled classes from when the user count was at its WOTLK peak
>Nu-Blizzard
>Ion becomes head developer and ruins the game with harder raids, dungeons, and grinding for "casual" content
>Inbreeds from /misc/ blame writers for the fall of WoW, almost a decade after it died
If you think this guy is the problem with WoW, you are probably from Alabama.
Stfu you illiterate brainlet moron you probably don't know the first thing about the lore or how abysmally shit it is, you probably get dizzy reading the text of cereal boxes
I thought WoW was dead. You guys have been saying that for the last decade
so true bro
going from 12m subs to just barely 1m is not anything worrying about we're bussin dood wow is back even though it obviously never went haha
>barely 1m
frick off shill, wow doesnt even have 200k subs
if i was a shill i'd say something like 5m
they actually believe that
>if i was a shill
but you are, wow cant even break the 1m subs an you claiming 5million, frick off
>wow cant even break the 1m subs
source?
you first shill
me first what? I'm just asking for a source for the claim that you made.
Well I’m excited for the day we don’t have hourly threads about it.
the sad thing is that any threads that aren't infested by doomers engaging in schadenfreude wither away within like 50 replies
>to just barely 1m
This is a pretty massive claim. Any actual data to back it up?
It's as dead as your sex life, doesn't mean you don't jerk off
more people play classic wow than retail, or close to it.
Let's see how many people are doing Gnomeregan vs the latest retail raid that came out 3 months ago.
Surprisingly WOTLK numbers are holding up well
Classic is nothing but raid. On 30 alts to do GDKPs with.
In retail there is a significant number of people that just do M+, never touch raids.
>In retail there is a significant number of people that just do M+,
that's great!
that's great... right?
It's all brazillians.
More variety than just raidlog piss easy content is good, yes
Millions of people seem to enjoy it as an alternative to raiding.
5 man only, don't have to commit to a strict schedule and on average a dungeon takes about 20-30 minutes.
I don't see how this is a problem.
because m+ is a soulless shitfest
>noooo you have to spend 6 hours in BRD
>waiting for Timmy and his corpse runs is SOVL
Times change.
>most popular MMO
>dead
This does not compute
WoW's so not dead they dragged Metzen out of retirement to beg people to come back
>HEROES
>NOW IS THE TIME TO COME HOME
>AND BUY THE $90 EXPANSION
>WITH RECYCLED CONTENT AS 'NEW' CONTENT
forget to add PAID EARLY ACCESS
m+ is still a soulless shitfest lottery system
anon you're talking to people who probably looked the other way when it was revealed blizzard's former president sold pay2win m+ runs, they're treating the game like a job themselves or gigafanboys
the funny thing is that when he left, they all turned around and went "GUH-GOOD RIDDANCE HE SOLD M+ BOOSTS AND DID NOTHING GOOD FOR THE GAME WE'RE BETTER OFF WITHOUT HIM"
they have no principles, no true beliefs. just what allows them to cope at any given moment
Dungeon boosting/spamming and GDKPs are far more soulless than M+ could ever be, bucko.
Classic tards don't even know what they want, and it's always funny to see being proven right time and time again.
>>We want no world buffs! no mage boosting! harder raids!
>Blizzard listens and makes Season of Mastery
>It dies after 2 weeks
>>We want pvre classic! no changes!!
>now the playerbase wants more and more changes as seen with Season of Discovery or their obsession with Classic+
And I understand why. You're trying to recapture your youth. The time when all you had on your mind was playing WoW with your friends/guild
Those times are gone, and now you are a miserable and lonely wienersucker that is spending his remaining years hating on the game because you feel like it or Blizzard personally wronged you
They were never your friends
didnt read
m+ is still a soulless shitfest lottery system and its existence is a testament to the degradation of the game and its playerbase
>didnt read
You CAN'T read.
why would i read your "B-BUT CLASSIC" seethy? it's irrelevant to me
Capping people at one loot lockout per dungeon per week is all it takes to kill it being a pay2win lottery, AND it would mean raiders don't have to spam M+ to keep up with gearing. It's a win-win but Blizz won't do it since they'd lose so much money.
you'd also have to get rid of the weekly vault system
no, it isn't
And how is raiding not a slower and worse version of that same gear lottery?
I'm guessing you never did MC during Vanilla.
SOD banned gdkp, come home white man.
Yeah, Blizzard has to take drastic measures like that to curb their autism.
Hardcore was the only game mode where I've seen classic tards actually play the game as intended, and they needed a permadeath mode to do it
>Apparently they wanted him to work in office instead of from home
He left without saying a single word. If that were the case, he would've made a big deal out of it on twitter to farm sympathy, like the majority of these moronic devs do nowadays.
>everyone has engi dummies + invulr + 50 pots + 5 lvl overlevel while playing warlock/hunter/pala
>play as intended
Oh, suddenly all the bots and gold spammers are gone?
Bullshit, wall street will never ban those people because they are valuable subscriptions.
for me it was the fact that SoD endgame was afking your character in Ashenvale and collecting reputation every 3 hours
Raiding was only ever good for BT, Sunwell and Ulduar. All the rest are just as soulless as M+, only it take 6-8 hours of time to MAYBE get an item or two, if you're really lucky.
>Raiding was only ever good for BT, Sunwell and Ulduar
BT and Sunwell were unironically shit outside of a few encounters.
MOP will always be the golden standard of top tier raiding, as much as the trappings sucked dick. Even BRF was better than Ulduar, just strapped to an otherwise shite expansion.
actually yeah, current raid tiers can become a slog until fated comes along and slightly mixes them up
>Blood DPS was only playable in WoTLK
>Classic "Content Creators" gaslight the entire WoW Classic community into thinking Blood DK can't DPS never could DPS and is tank only because that's what its like on retail!!! (and the opposite for Frost/Unholy Tanks)
>Literally wasn't even supported on Warcraft Logs, would get people kicked out of groups for "trolling"
>Currently on par with Unholy, better than Frost and in the top half of performers
I'm so glad I never played Classic, I wish the entire Classic Playerbase a very unhappy evening.
Blood was a fricking meme specc until Armor Pen gear in TOGC/ICC
I had a blood dps dk in my guild who was butt buddies with my raid leader. He was bottom of the meters until ToGC. Guild basically died as soon as he was announced as the next shadowmourne target.
Even when it was a 'meme spec' it was still better than tons of garbage specs like BM, Frost Mage, Sub Rogue, Arms Warrior and they didn't get retconned out of existence. I know Blood was bad till ToGC, but classic "people" treated it like trying to dps as a fricking resto druid. Not to mention you'd get sent to the fricking shadow realm for trying to tank as UH or Frost despite them being fine.
>Not to mention you'd get sent to the fricking shadow realm for trying to tank as UH or Frost despite them being fine.
The DK discord was so fricking anal about Will of the Necropolis Supremacy, but frankly dungeon tanking as frost is so much better than blood because you need the aoe snap aggro from Howling Blast, and it's still good on trash in raids too.
here we go another moron
>mmmuh discord says blood dk is ST only since no aoe and you should go frost for dungeon spam, even unholy
meanwhile moron in this thread
.NOO NOLY BLOOD DK DPS BECAUSE THERES ONLY BLOOD DK DPS CHANNEL WE DEMAND MINAMX CHANNEL FOR GRINDING DUNGEONS ON LOW LVLS
>Even when it was a 'meme spec' it was still better than tons of garbage specs like BM, Frost Mage, Sub Rogue, Arms Warrior
he was lowet than those pvp specs you mentioned (yes pvp specs) you fricking dog, while bringing same utility as blood tank
hello moron parrot
DPS was only playable in WoTLK
no, ti was playable in 2 patches, Dk specs in wotlk classic are ICC ones. You'll never get original launch specs with absurd corpse explosions, frost summonign garg or blood dps being arms warrior but better with apssive 30% armor reduction on attacks. You never got abck siphon or bugged brynroll, so nobody gaslighted you you tripple moron
>Currently on par with Unholy, better than Frost and in the top half of performers
at the very end of xpac with ICC buff and full bis to get arp cap you absolute moronic c**t. Thanks for proving blood dps "players" are fricking braindead monkeys deserving all the hate
so this is the power of a classic player huh...
nice argument
You're angrily frothing around like a moronic chimp, unable to type coherent sentences simply because someone dared not play exactly the way you wanted them to. You are the worst example of a Classic player.
No, I didn't try to play Blood DPS because I'm not a moronic Classic player, nor do I play retail before you pull that stinker out.
stop copign you massive moron
>be a moron
>play like a moron
>when asked to stop scream I PLAY WHAT I WANT YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB
>come here to get comfort
next time you gonna play melee demo warlock and cry when people laugh at you
I'm sorry for your literacy issues anon.
>Comparing Blood DPS to Melee Warlock
Literally proving my point that all Classic players are subhuman troglodytes.
blood dk dps discussion basically filters morons, and you jsut got baited like any other moron
what you fail to understand together with other dadgamers stuck on nostalgia, is that blood dps at original naxx/uldaur patches =/= iCC patch blood dk. You can't even google the original talent trees and what they were giving
ICC blood tree is a beta cataclysm tank tree, everyone back then knew it. If you want to play blood dk dps in classic wotlk, you're a moron, a complete massive moron, because you're playing a goddamn tank spec and demanding to be considered dps. You can look at the logs and how blood dps have the massive diffirence in top and bottom dps. because for blood dk dps to perform you need nearly all bis, shadowmourne on top with 30% buff. Without that, you're competing with tanks and pvp specs for the sake of nostalgia
ICC patch butchered blood dk dps and nerfed armor pen no warriors and rets. That's why in classic, warriors and rets were bottom dps for majority of xpac - because they lacked passive arp nodes from their original talent trees
what you do, is kick and scream that your tank spec cannot be full dps. Just like warrior never gonna be ranged spec with shoot or throws, and that mages and warlocks will never be melee's despite having sword skill
i'm pretty sure that people tried to hammer to you that info, yet you prefered to sit in your nostalgia bubble. Too bad wotlk classic proved what everyone else was saying for whole xpac - blood dps is trash unless nearly complete bis with legendary. And at that point with 30% buff none gives a frick anymore about raid performance
Blood was intended to be able to DPS (and is very clearly capable of it considering it beats Frost and all Rogue Specs) all the way till Cataclysm launch. Just as Frost and Unholy were intended to be able to tank. But in your parse addled moron brain, underperformance = unviable troll spec kys loser. Do you throw a tantrum whenever you see an Arms Warrior or a Frost Mage? Do you shit yourself in rage whenever you see a Balance Druid?
And for the last time, and do try your hardest to read and process the information before you, I never played WoTLK Classic because I'm not a nostalgia chasing addict like you.
>Blood was intended to be able to DPS
not when ICC patch launched as communciated from blizzard, so not in wotlk classic since it's on ICC patch from the start
>(and is very clearly capable of it considering it beats Frost and all Rogue Specs)
WITH all bis and legendary. Without legendary it competes with frost ro straight up loses to it(see: logs). Flat increase also affects it heavily (ICC buff - see lgos before it's introduction). It's also easy to beat comabt spec because his job is to sacrifice part of his dps to expose armor,s ame with assasination. Third rogue spec is entirely pvp spec, just as BM hunter, frost mage and arms warrior - another spec that was clearly communciated at icc patch to be heavily focused on pvp aspect of the game, lacking dps icnreases but having bigger dps bursts and cc/counter cc/cc reductions
So, blood dk dps on progression runs was below frost, below pve rogues, and competing with PVP specs in PVE raid
>all the way till Cataclysm launch.
you clearly do not understand that cata prepatch didn't even actually start with elemental invasion event. RUbys anctum raid was already buffing and nerfing spec in preparation to introduce amstery as secondary stat
>Just as Frost and Unholy were intended to be able to tank.
another of your lies - they lost their tanking talent(they still have some) after ToGC was released. Frost have some nice leftovers, while unholy was basically stripped out of it with no defensive CDs. You don't even remember(prolly you never played it back then) unholy talents increasing dodge and parry from STR above basic skill, with ability to PARRY spells that was broken af in pvp
to continue
>But in your parse addled moron brain
not an argument, i never mentioned parses
>underperformance = unviable troll spec kys loser
you're trying to pass as dps when playing tank, like some mentally ill troon. What's next, prot pala going full dps? Ofc they can do it, but they're not doing it. Guess why? you won't guess since you're stuck on your nostalgia of a spec that doesn't exist anymore
>Do you throw a tantrum whenever you see an Arms Warrior or a Frost Mage?
you mean PVP specs that are not palyed outside some 4fun scenarios, and still not played in serious raid?
> Do you shit yourself in rage whenever you see a Balance Druid?
wotlk still have support specs, namyle boomies and spriests. They're not there to be full DPS. but to provide raid with utility. Something blood dk dps also lacks because it shares it with actual blood tank in raid.
>And for the last time, and do try your hardest to read and process the information before you, I never played WoTLK Classic because I'm not a nostalgia chasing addict like you.
so basically "i never played wotlk but" and 'i'm not a blood dps player but blood dps is...
just on top fo your lies of someone who never played original wotlk, or parrots "arguments" from other nostalgia-struck daddies who cannot face reality (in the form of pure statistics) and preffers to throw petty insults at anyone proving their obvious moronation. You're like flat-world believer, too stupid to waste argument at. It seems community already and rightfully shunned your blood dps fanatcial idiots out. Yes, you're on a level of melee demo warlocks. But those guys just play melee locks for memes and fun and when asked to switch - they do. Meanwhile cucks like you play a pretend game, pretending to play a spec that's no longer in the game. Just liek troon never be a real woman
blood dps was removed in 3.3.5 patch
classic launched on 3.3.5 patch
majority of his talents were either deleted or given to frost and unholy
what the frick is wrong with you
>blood dps was removed in 3.3.5 patch
then why does it do more damage than frost
>then why does it do more damage than frost
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1020#region=4
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1020#region=4&dataset=95
it's not
the only blood dps dealing more damage than frost are those with legendary and 30% buff
weakest frost players deal more damage than more than half of blood dps players
if you remove legendary, blood dps with all bis gear is already lower than frost. Both with and without ICC 30%buff
>if you take away legendary it does less
Pretty sure if you take away gear from anyone it'll do less. And lets play your game, sure without legendary it does less than frost. Still does more than both shaman specs, were Shamans removed in 3.3.5 as well?
yes, you're comparing class and spec that utilize legendary to specs that don't. It's a shit spec if you need to be a laibility for your raid, carried to get it so you can be as viable as other spec that doesn't require legendary to be useful
>Still does more than both shaman specs, were Shamans removed in 3.3.5 as well?
holy frick that anon was right, a flatearth argument. Shamsn bring utility, all 3 specs. Meanwhile you only bring your moronic ego as blood dps
I'm genuinely trying to understand, do people have this same reaction to like Destruction Warlocks because they do less than both other Warlock specs, do people act as if Destruction Warlock was "removed" because it has 2 better specs? What about Arms Warriors? Or does the lowest performing spec just get called "The PvP spec"?
no, i don't know how but warlocks are in general more chill, focused on performing when playing their chosen spec. Never ever i saw a shitstorm about destros demanding to be part of a main rooster. I didn't even see anything liek that about arms or other spec, just blood dps fanatics are diffirent breed deaf to any argument
also, destro was basically the same, while blood dps got his entire tree reworked and 1/4 of his skills changed/deleted just in a single patch from ToGC to ICC. None else got hit that hard, but DK got his rework liek 3 or 4 times already in wotlk, no other class was touched like that
you cannot comapre original blood dps to any other class or spec back then like that moron tries to do
majority of specs got their talents buffed/nerfed
warriors rogues and ret paladins got 1-3 talents changed, lowering their armor penetration to the point that 90% of it needed to come from the gear
DK got his ENTIRE talent tree reworked, with other 2 shuffled around with bunch of talents swapped/changed. And it was a second rework already and i'm not even talking about a shitton of balance patches just for dk alone
you talk about blood dps, when at least 4 dk builds got completly deleted durning a single expansion
Yeah DK got tons of changes throughout the entire expansion, I remember when they first made Death Strike the Blood Spender instead of Obliterate and you could heal for your entire healthbar and Blood was literally unkillable in PvP. Then I went to solo ZG the same day and it had been absolutely nuked to heal for like 5% of what it was doing just hours before.
I just don't really get why Blood in 3.3.5 people act like it's not intended by design to be able to DPS. Like, even at the start of WoTLK Classic it could out perform a handful of specs but people never said but people just called those bad specs, whereas they say Blood DPS literally doesn't exist and it's like trying to be a melee warlock. Yeah, it's an underperforming spec and you'd be better playing Frost or UH till ICC, but it's nowhere near the insane levels of bad Classic players make it out to be.
>removed corrupted blood, mvoed it to unholy and named ebon plaugebringer
>no longer healing from abilities scaled with AP
>no longer your skill crit behaved like spellc rit with 200% dmg mod
>now crit dmg is baseline for every dk at 150% and renamed runic focus
>you cannot have bonus white attack when using 2h weapon
>your runic weapon doesn't completly mirror you with all talents and mod basically doubling your dps
>blood gorged nerfed to 10% arp, down from a absurd 50%
>hysteria no logner grants attack speed, runic weapon no longer benefits from it via snapshot
>only pet that benefits from snapshots is unholy gargoyle
>sudden doom no longer procc off itself
that's only from looking at 3.3.5 tree since i can't remember the removed talents, that improved on disease damage, psyhical damage and giving you alot of crits
you see blood dps now, because in full bis they're either at cap or close to arp cap. Now imagine, that it was blood dps baseline without those items before ICC. It was nightmare in PVP and top dog in PVE. I could prolly find those old talents on frost and unholy trees, slightly changed and renamed
fast forward to 2023. People remember the absolute juggernaut blood was. But classic was launched on 3.3.5a. It's now impossible to recreate that original dk. He not only doesn't have his talents, but also his skills (siphon that was given back in mop i think). It cannot be compared to any other spec, because others got buff/nerfs, and blood got completly altered with added bunch of tank-tier talents, more than frost and unholy tree combined, while runic weapon was just a meme to increase your selfheal output from DS spam
because of 3.3.5 patch, warriors and ret were terrible in classic. And then you have blood dps thats even worse, competes for the same gear and sits at the bottom for the vast majority of expansion. Other meme specs are just memes, while blood dps is straight up delusion
Again, I know it's bad and it competes with other specs for gear that can do way more, but no other spec that does worse gets as much memory hole ITS LITERALLY UNABLE TO DPS YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE PLAYING A MELEE RESTO SHAMAN like Blood does. Like I assume if someone turned up to a Dungeon as a Sub Rogue or Frost Mage people might be like "Why is this moron playing a bad spec" but if you did the same as Blood DPS (which has done more damage than them from the start of WoTLK Classic) people would act like you killed their pets and fricked their moms. It's just so weird, I guess it stems from people just hating DKs in general.
I just find it strange and interesting looking at it from an outside perspective of someone who never played Classic.
there's a reason why blood dps wasn't on logs
he was doing not tank, but healer dps in naxx if healer decided to use dps abilities
>Blood DPS (which has done more damage than them from the start of WoTLK Classic)
someone pointed that out, but why you keep lying? you do realize that even without logs, a simple sim can proofcheck you pretty fast even if dps result is unrealistic?
I really don't play Classic, I swear. What about Frost and Unholy tanks, they seem to have got the same treatment.
Also correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am) but Blood DPS got logged on Warcraft Logs as "Runeblade" back before they could do real damage right?
runeblade, divine pala, lichborne and gladiator are just tank spec that dps the boss without tanking it. Even unholy dps could be counted as runeblade because tank was asleep and tanked boss like kologarm for too long
frost tank was used in dungeons and fights where you needed to deal with shitton of adds/trash clear. Frost tank lacked survivability blood had. Some bosses parryhasted and in p1 both blood and frost tanks used duals, with blood later in p2 going 2h because threat generation and benefits outscaled dw(you used duals ebcause you lacked raw stats. From ulduar onwards blood tank was just too good
with unholy tank, too much survivability talents got removed, no more spell parry, no oh shit cd buttons or damage reductions. Your only defensive had 1min cds and alsted for 3 hits from boss. You can check unholy tree right now and there's like 3 talents that reduce dmg 95% dodge, spell suppresion and that 1min cd). You could tank dungeons ez and have fun. Anything above that you were just a papertank
this was further reinforced by slapping tank mark on blood and dps amrks on frost and unholy in cata prepatch
I see. Well it appears I was wrong about Blood DPS being above Sub (I believe I may have been looking at a phase 2 thing when that memory entered my brain) so I apologize for my previously. But they were about on par with Ret in Naxx according to Warcraft Logs (yes I made sure it was a Blood one).
I have no secret motive, nor am I a nostalgia gay trying to cling to old memories (I played frost for 99% of WoTLK). I take it from your previous posts that blood dps players were just really annoying then?
ret palas in p1 actually struggled to get into the raid at all, so blizzard buffed them with glyph that made taunt skill instahit not-taunt attack, making them a little stronger than warriors. It was because ret ws the only dps pala spec with no other option. Untill ICC majority of raids had 1 ret, same with fury warriors. Ret got nice increase in dps in p2, fury warr in p3. Their weakness was the result of 3.3.5 patch mentioned multiple times - lack of armor pen. Funfact, ret was initally hated too because of pserver crowd coming in droves and picking ret
as per blood dps crowd yes - they were so insufferable that even if you were just a nice guy wanting to have some fun, none asked because after meeting 99 of those loudmouths none wanted to give a chance to a 100th guy. The actual casualty of DKs was 2h unholy that wsn't that bad, but it was shunned because dw unh existed. DW unholy not noly dealt more dps but also used weapons normally none needed or contested, so it was easier than having yet another betrayer/voldrethar competitor
>The actual casualty of DKs was 2h unholy that wsn't that bad, but it was shunned because dw unh existed
Ah that's lame, did 2H UH not ever exist in ICC with Shadowmourne or is it in the same area as Blood DPS?
unholy dw was the backbone of everyraid with absurd burst and sustained dps. Top1 for whole xpac and ICC progression run, so everyone wanted and expected you to be *that* guy who carries the raid. You could still play 2h unh, just not in those sweat guilds
2h unh came back with shadowmourne and you play it only after getting smourne. When you get it depends on your guild/raidteam, usually it goes to warr/ret first
2h unholy even without dw unh existing suffered from heavily nerfed scourge strike, that required 2 ruens to deal a little above blood strike damage. DW also uses SS but only to proc sigil str buff.
2h was solid midpack dps. But DW was top1 dps with 1-3k dps diffirence between them
Ah. Well thanks for enlightening me on several things. I still think it's a little weird how Blood DPS ended up with such a bad rap even before WoTLK launched, but it is what it is. I suppose it only got worse afterwards cause of the people who played it.
Have a good evening, anon.
holy shit you're dense
it's a TANk spec. A fricking TANK tree. People play blood dps because of their moronic nostalgia, thats why you don't see prot warriors, bear druids or prot palas playing as dps, because they do not have legacy of them being a dps.
you're trying to play dps by picking as much dps talents as possible and gearing with dps items. Guess what, it doesn't work, your dps is shit, because while you have 5 talents changing your dps, others have 11+. it's not there to let you dps, but to increase threat generation. Prot warrior have dps increase talents when using 1h and shield. Does it mean it can go full dps spec?
yes, prot warr can, as meme fun spec. Other meme specs know they're memes
but blood dps? no, they're not meme, because of their LEGACY of a dps that no longer exist, and their main argument is that DECADE AGO there was a blood dps spec. Guess what, it doesn't exist anymore, because talents and skills that were core for that build doesn't exist in this version of a game
you're claiming that you're not playing the classic at all, yet you basically keep repeating the same mantra every blood dps moron does
>bbut the sub rogue and frost mage...
PVP SPECS, LEARN IT, PVP SPEC IN PVE RAID = MEME or specific mechanic(sub rogue vanish for algalon if you don't have spriest somehow). You are comparing your wannabe PVE dps spec to a goddamn PVP spec. And that PVP spec outdps your wannabe designated PVE dps build
people playing pvp specs or meme specs usually know that they're meming . They don't cause trouble or dramas because of it. Weak specs like fury wars and ret palas were brought for utility and it's not like people who played those knew they're shit, crying on blizzard forums for buff
meanwhile, you had very vocal blood dps crowd, impossible to reason with. DPS from blood mains was so bad that people actively started to hate those people for how vocal and demanding they were(just like warriors). Blood dps started to pick up because of T9 and arp on items, but it was still shit. before Trial you could have blood dps day1 full bis and he would still compete with a tank on majority of the fughts
thus, community went "frick this c**ts" with them, since their major argument everytime was "bbut 10 years ago"
>DUDE LISTEN, I'LL BE GOOD JUST NEED TO BE A DEAD WEIGHT FOR 5 MONTHS UNTIL YOU FUNNEL ALL BIS GEAR, LEGENDARY AND WAIT FOR ICC BUFF THEN YOU'LL SEE IM A GOOD DPS
is this a tbc warrior discord?
shamans face harder situation where they either play resto, be a enh cuck spec or need to reroll
meanwhile, you have 2 perfectly viable dps specs in unholy and frost, yet you decide to play a clown spec and frick your raid for your personal greed
that's why everyone hates blood dps morons
>even the cancer that killed this person has died!
>that means they'll heal and get back up again, right?
anon...
No, Sneedolands irrecovably ruined the setting
>Finally gone.
He was gone last year, but that won't stop you lot from blaming all the issues solely on him.
Who knows, maybe you'll make the switch to blaming everything on Metzen by the time of midnight. Lmao
>maybe you'll make the switch to blaming everything on Metzen
one can only hope
metzen deserves to catch more shit for the mediocrity he put out, but since he left, people got all nostalgic over him and are now lauding him as a "savior"
it would be very nice if that idol worship was cruelly shattered by reality, and it probably will be
>half of uldum being an indiana jones reference
>legacy of the void ending
>diablo 3's story
>go'el the orcish superman
>an entire questline dedicated to thrall getting married
>benedictus becoming a palpatine reference
>deathwing just going rawr i am so craaaaazy my parents are gonna freak all will burn
>deathwing
his character assassination was crazy. but I guess how the frick do you write a character like that who can be present in the storyline but also keep their power nerfed and still make sense? they establish him in the cinematic as a frickin gigaforce of nature and there's no reason he can't just nuke every zone one by one, but instead he just sets the stormwind park on fire (lol) and flies away because he's "insane"
>dragon soul raid
>on top of the wrymrest tower
>all the dragons and thrall are there with the dragon soul
>deathwing flies over to monologue before flying away and letting some trash mobs and another boss fight you
no reason to not just torch that roof
>human/catholic light bad
>draenei/israeli diaspora light good
is Ion still working on retail?
For me personally the reason I stopped caring about the story and lore in Warcraft was just how much of it is contained in non-game books. This has been a problem for a long time, arguably even in Warcraft 3, but it's only got worse and worse.
It makes the experience of playing the game for story, even as someone who used to do literally every quest (Seeker/Loremaster), totally unrewarding.
It's weird because the goalposts have gradually been moved with each expansion as to "when the lore got bad"
When TBC was first announced with Illidan as the villain people got mad because we were going to fight everyone we played as in TFT. Then came WotLK, where blizzard offscreened Ner'zhul in a fricking book that no one read. As a teenager going into wrath I was fricking confused as to why the Lich King just seemed to be Arthas when The Frozen Throne ends with them saying, "We are now one."
Yeah Ner'zhul in WC3 is set up as this shadowy mastermind who outwitted everyone, even the Burning Legoin, and was set up to be the true final boss of the setting as a result. Then they just delete him randomly and say "no it's just Arthas now" completely wasting all the time and work they had put in setting Ner'zhul up. WoW really never did have a good story of any kind, it just stumbled by due to cannibalizing and ruining the pre existing RTS lore.
are they going to undo this?
Re-add Garrosh calling Sylv a b***h?
Newhart Show the current story to say it was all a dream?
Undo the bowls of fruit and troony dragons?
No?
Then no LOL
No because the M+ genie can never be put back in the bottle. The game is a carousel of fricked balance, bad affixes, and dungeons that have a wild difficulty range until we go back to literally just raid logging. M+ as a gear source is way too dominant and will remain that way until the servers shut down.
i miss challenge modes
>We cut one head off the hydra, surely the beast is dead now, right?
15 years ago
>"WOW IS DEAD NOW IT'S OVER THE SERVERS WILL SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD ANY DAY NOW"
today
>"WOW IS DEAD NOW IT'S OVER THE SERVERS WILL SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD ANY DAY NOW"
15 years from now, your axe wounds will still be bleeding pus and fury because this game lives in your troony brains rent fricking free while your weeb dressup erp second life simulator will have been dead and buried for 15 years
Gonna cry pussy?
>15 years from now, your axe wounds will still be bleeding pus and fury
wow sis way to talk about your fellow WoWsisters
"But the texture is more unique for female"
Was that an admission that the whole "body type" thing is all bullshit and everyone knows they're male and female?
un huh
>the devs are troons
>the players are troons
>the characters are troons
>but it's actually the people who left who are the real troons
What's next? Furries and futagays trying to come in and take over your game?
But enough about ff41
Bro the next expansions has 2 females elves as the protag and antag again.
Nothing is changing.
Zero masculine male characters left in the franchise, all the leaders a women, its pathetic.
didn't a woman just recently take over for genn
wrong picture for alleria, though
troon aesthetics
>more sidecuts to make woman look stronk and independent
WOOOOOOOW I AM CLAPPING I AM CLAPPING AND SCREAMING AND SHITTING MYSELF WOHOHOHOOOO
See this! This is what void does to one.
I like how hard they are back peddling on their choice to not make bawd mogs now since the game is dying.
Riley Reid vs Kenzie Reeves 2 hour Ganbbang Creampie special
A literal troon
WoW is beyond healing, they can't start removing QoL features, races or classes and shit. The only way to fix WoW is to reboot it.
The absolute state of this franchise.
the problem with this isn't that it's pink and girly and regal and shit
it's that this shit looks fricking ugly. wow can't make good gear because whatever system or pipeline or mentality they have for making gear is completely and utterly rank
and yet the brainrotted coomers (only people that will still defend this game) swarm it like flies on shit because their only alternative is garish, pixelated bawdmog from 2004
it's just depressing
>Decades have passed
>Leggins are still just a texture slapped onto legs because devs have been so lazy that it became a tradition of sorts
>Regurgitated esthetics because hey! people keep buying this slop!
Once in a year I feel like giving WoW a chance just to rekindle fond memories. But then post-nut clarity sets in and the desire goes away, because I don't need to play the game to look at Draenei asses.
painted on gear 20 years after launch is pretty fricking embarrassing. Even the tortanic manages higher quality shit, but wownigs will just accept it all because d00d mountsmogscheevs
depends on the gear, some things are still painted on but most parts now have some kind of 3D element attached to it, like belts, chestpieces, most legpieces and boots. a lot of the newer stuff now also has actual physics too which is neat
laziness becoming a game staple is pretty funny
most other developers would be ashamed about still having painted on gear in 2024, but blizzard just goes "THAT'S OUR PATENTED WOW STYLE AND DOZENS LOVE IT FOR IT" and then sunk cost paypiggies slop it up like the good blizzhogs they are
>this time it WILL work
>15+ years
I kind of admire you. You live in a world full ignorance without pattern recognition, no complex problems need to be solved etc. Sure you won't be worth to mention, or have any ambitious thing in your life or anything like that, but from a fricked up viewpoint, you are happy in their own little twisted world.
Its like when you see a downie being happy for doing a daily task. Or that weed smoking coworker being happy for giving him a a can of coca cola. You know he smoked his braincells off, and he's meant to end up in the gutter, but still he's not unhappy.
They still need to fire Madeleine, the HR and Tom Chilton
Damage is done
Rollback game to vanilla and try again without cheevos, dailies, parseslop, and troonsmog
If they were to roll back the game and start over, what should they do differently as the game progresses forward from vanilla?
If endgame instanced raiding/pvp wasn't the main focus of the game, what would it be?
5 mans instead of raids
actual quests instead of just railroaded copypasted quests
more player agency in the world
better pvp
What the frick why are the mobs the size of wienerroaches?
Those are cubs, as shown in their name, gigahomie
Hey..
>sees hyena licking rotten meat off the bones of a decomposed antelope carcass in the savannah
>hyena leaves
>"Is the antelope finally healing?"
will they fire all the Black folk and women?
then no
because those are the ones ruining gaming and every other entertainment media on the planet
also society in general
no because the rest of the people who wrote characters like these are still around
Damn, you couldn't find a third MMO example, that you had to pick one from Hearthstone? Lmao
Why does WoW make Gankerirgins seethe so much? Is it because despite all the shitposting it still remains the most popular and successful MMO of all time?
Does it? I just think people hate retail. We have comfy SoD threads here.
I think you're just eternally assmad that retail gets 0 love on Ganker, that's why you're on Ganker whining about it
at least you have /wowg/ as your safespace... right? oh wait that's constantly shitposted too
>at least you have /wowg/ as your safespace... right?
and what a safespace it is
coomer avatargays constantly attentionwhoring and coping
Popular things tend to attract the lowest form of human life like you to hate on them, yeah
>I-I am just laughing
Kek, buckoid. WoW will always be #1, and all you can do is cry on this dead website, Black personhomosexual
yes
you seem like the very epitome of mental stability and confidence
>mental stability and confidence
You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with a game you don't play.
The lack of self awareness lmao.
>Y-you seem to have... an un..unhealthy obsession with a game.. y-you don't play, c..chud!
the absolute state
There it is. The same old tired images you post every WoW thread on Ganker
Absolutely mindbroken
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/-f3f14RqnF2GIOxTCIPeAw/
>229 results found
Absolutely mindbroken lmao
You thought I was kidding?
Years and years of their lives spent on doomposting and shitposting about this one game with no results has absolutely destroyed their psyche.
They will never be able to recover
Honestly, given how easy WoW is to dunk on, I'm surprised that same image wasn't used more often than 229 times.
You'd think Blizzard killed this guys dog or something.
we're not seething, maye
we're laughing
WoW's synonymous with peoples childhoods. That's why there's such a frothing rage over modern wow. Especially post Shadowlands wow, because Shadowlands committed the cardinal sin of killing their childhood nostalgia. I.E characters like Arthas.
It's the same reason that Cata got so much shit when it originally launched, because it was replacing what they're nostalgic for.
Cata got shit on because it dumbed down too many mechanics and had the most boring content in the game right after people had finished doing the stuff in Wrath that was actually well designed. Not because it was changing the lore.
>it still remains the most popular and successful MMO of all time?
Are you that happy that there hasn't been a single good mmo in the last decade? That fricking sucks man. MMOs are fricking, dead in the ground.
Most MMOs are fricking trash, it's a pretty shit genre. Not the worst, but it's down there.
Most of us are addicted to a game that now, only exists on private servers.
People become upset when their addiction is taken away, and wow has changed to a staggering degree.
I wouldn't call this trash an MMO anymore, its more like a single player game with optional multiplayer. Most of the LFG players could be replaced with bots and few would notice.
There's content you can't pug in retail
There's nothing you can't no voice pug in classic
Only in your delusional copes is retail the one where you don't deal with real people constantly and wouldn't notice bots
>no voice naxx pug
Have fun with that.
>There's content you can't pug in retail
Only mythic raids.
Which is more than the 0 in classic
Eh. you can pug ZG or AQ20 without comms
And every dungeon
But for raids yeah
You do not need voice for raids, classic is totally braindead
For naxx you do. or AQ40
Trust me
>thread made by /wowg/
>they need confirmation from Ganker if Danuser leaving the compnay is a good thing or not
>Blizzard fired thousands of woke employees
>They're still adding this shit
Jesus fricking Christ, how many are even there?
Forgot to give (you)
Vulpera are the master race
this is the only type of player doing damage control for nu-wow
it's long since dead, let it be buried already.
*raises hoof*
Why do newbies pretend as if every original Warcraft dev is still employed at Blizzard and still actively writes Warcraft lore, so that the "game can heal"? Platitude nonsense.
>i-it was totally this one guy! everything's fixed! we're going home bros!!!!!!
>metzen (writer and creative director of WoD, Heart of the Swarm) will totally fix everything bros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know why blizzdrones even attempt to rationalize it at this point.
WoD isn't even as bad as the shit he pulled in Cata with Go'el and such.
Also you forgot Metzen also wrote D3. :^)
It's a real testament to how bad Blizzards writing has got that people are honestly pining for the guy who wrote stuff like that, yeah. Somehow Diablo 4 was even worse than Diablo 3.
d4 doesn't even have a story
literally it was so boring I can't even remember what it was other than
>Lilith is back mephisto is a wolf now
Nobody bothered with D4 after the shitshow that was Immortal other than the most devoted of Blizzdrones, and even they saw it was shit.
Immortal was a huge success.
Immortal was also objectively dogshit.
I don't give a shit how much money faceless corporations are making.
If the games are terrible, I'm not going to play them.
k but that won't erase diablo immortal making millions and d4 selling millions of copies. Everyone bought d4, you can cry all you like but they did
"quality" means nothing when it comes to the game industry because for every guy like you who refuses to buy 300 people will take your place and spend money
Diminishing returns, moron. Why do you think D4 went on sale faster than any other Blizz game before it, hmmm?
Metzen was never a main writer anyhow and only ever got a job at Blizzard because he was a somewhat-competent artist at the time. When he joined Blizzard, he didn't even know how involved they were with video games at the time.
It's like that Warren Specter quote about Deus Ex where an entire game's creation is attributed to one person.
No, it's beyond healing, it's beyond resurrection, it's beyond salvaging. You would need to obliterate the entirety of what the game is and start over on the IP as a whole to fix what's been done, and that is simply not going to happen.
The story is definitely not the only problem
he wrote the blue dragonflight quests which were pretty alright
Can't wait to blame him for the next 3 expansions having shitty writing just like he did for Afrasiabi.
They will blame Danuser instead of Metzen if worldsoul saga flops
Yep, just like he blamed Afrasiabi for BFA and Sneedolands for having a dogshit story.
On the one hand: devilish
On the other, it's high time people remember that Metzen is fricking godawful and tries to imitate capeslop just as D'anuser does.
Every moron lore follower trying to pin BFA's patch stories on that heccin chud fallguy Affrasiabi should kill themselves. Alex A., while moronic, had nothing to do with anything past Teldrassil burning. It was all on Danuser to repair the narrative and he did nothing but shit the bed for six years in a row.
>Every moron lore follower trying to pin BFA's patch stories on that heccin chud fallguy Affrasiabi
literally only copelets who wanted so hard to believe it so that they could pretend that things would be better
just as copelets are circlejerking among themselves pretending wow will be better with metzen back
No anon you don't understand, Afrasiabi's severed head floated ominously around the Blizzard offices, lashing at people with eldritch tentacles of blood FORCING Danuser to make the story bad. He literally had no choice.
>gameplay is still add-fueled procfest
>encounter design still requires addons to make sense of what's happening
>crafting is still worthless shit
>game is still soft pay2win thanks to the token and m+ carriers not getting the banhammer
>writing team still plays favorites, enjoy earthen having zero plot relevance, just like dracthyr
Mists was the last time this game was good.
>game too hard 🙁
>needs to be braindead like in China land
Embarassing shitter post
Did it take you three minutes to hear the bike horn telling you to make that post homosexual?
Nice deflection shitter, you gonna pretend like dbm wasn't even stronger in MoP?
Want me to pull up Malkorok assist?
how about you post your cutting edges if you're so good.
It's like I'm really reading the global chat of any Wrath+ private server!
/wpsg/ is cancer too. Right now, the meta is wearing chastity cages to increase your raiding skill, and 2020 newbies pretending to be "totally adult non-racist oldgays".
Because I'm on mobile shitter,
I have like half the CEs since they started in MoP and the tiers I don't are tiers I didn't actively raid/play at all
sure champ
Can't wait to shit on you in 5 hours when I get home
Are you done deflecting yet? Or will you keep crying because you suck at WoW
>crafting is still worthless shit
2 pieces of crafted will be your BIS though
I play retail for arena occasionally and my sub is still covered by leftover GDKP money from months ago. Classic wrath is getting old and tired, while SoD is just 3 months for a weeks worth of 'new' content at a time. I don't really care about Cata, so I think it might just be over for me.
Don't forget the fact that the latest legendary is essentially paywalled to further push people into buying more WoW tokens, as if the constant M+ carries weren't enough.
Who cares? The damage is already done.
>Who cares?
Classic
Yes I'm here to shitpost about a dead game. Isn't that what Ganker is for? If you wanted to discuss WoW you'd be in one of the /vg/ generals.
>If you wanted to discuss WoW you'd be in one of the /vg/ [...]
Sadly the general threads are all filled with people posting their cuck fetishes because this game is not only dead, but has catered to cuckolds ever since Steve Danuser took the helm at writing.
That literally is what the remaining WoW players are. Cucks, furgays and coomers.
>millions of players
>"dead game"
>millions
>plural
maybe at expansion launches for a month. Big issue with WoW is that zoomies and alphags weren't around for the old days, if they try it, they don't stay, and that's even if they try it. They'd rather watch whichever homosexual streamer they favor than actually play the game. WoW's playerbase is old, it's not growing because it doesn't appeal to zoomlets despite all of Blizzard's best efforts. All that's left are the lifers, which is all an MMO can really ask for to stay afloat.
>seething so hard he had to reply twice
Dragonflight has more players now than at launch. How does that make you feel?
I'm just telling you the truth, younguns weren't there, they don't care.
>the truth
>coomer doing sweaty damage control for the game
many such cases
Holy boner, source?
coping and seething
>there's millions of players we swear
>please come back
>millions of bots are posting on world of logs
okay?
Certified /wowg/ thread.
Including the same "if you make fun of us and the game you're just... seething!!!" copes.
Who is going trans in The Woman Within?
This is Danuser's work by the way, through his shitty book.
NuBlizz and SL killed the game, there's just scraps left that they prop up with HECKIN BASED METZEN
classic sucks too but it's the only part of wow that draws any playerbase. Diablo is probably Blizz's best surviving IP but they still turn that worse and more expensive with each iteration.
I started playing again after not being active since cataclysm (14 years ago) and I'm having fun.
I don't understand people screaming about the good old days. Yes they were fun but that was then, this is now.
I'll likely never touch classic unless a friend wants to play it or something, I want to experience new things not lament about the good old days all the time.
WoW is still the best MMO currently available.
i love how every game's community is like "nooo you cant shit on MY game that is rent free seethe obsessed"
but then they'll blithely do it to every other game they don't like
>CLASSIC IS ABOUT THE SOVLFUL JOURNEY!
>Literally adding teleports to Shadowfang Keep in cities because it's "inconvenient" to get to
>People already begging for teleports to Deadmines and other "inconvenient" dungeons
bros...the comfy adventure in the world...the soulful journey...
which version of classic? season of discovery?
All versions of classic have been people just dungeon spamming
Okay but which version of classic will have or already has portals to shadowfang in it?
every, because i refuse to join a group that doesnt have a chudlock in it giving me free uber
To be fair dungeons were always WoW's primary content alongside quests. Where Blizzard went wrong was turning dungeons into boss hallways and forcing raiding down everyone's throat.
>boss hallways
You mean SM and deadmines, the most popular dungeons?
>and forcing raiding
The gap between m+ and raid gear in retail is way smaller than dungeon vs raid gear in classic, you're delusional
>You mean SM and deadmines, the most popular dungeons?
There isn't a single dungeon post vanilla that's on par with BRD, L/UBRS, Stratholme, DME/W. I'd add ST WC and Gnomeregan but people don't like them since they get lost.
>The gap between m+ and raid gear in retail is way smaller than dungeon vs raid gear in classic, you're delusional
I quit in 2014 and don't know what m+ is nor do I give a frick. I'm speaking from 2007+ when Blizzard began revolving their game design around raids, culminating in Cataclysm where classes were heavily homogenized and dungeons became tutorials for raiding.
If raiding has been shunted as a side activity then good for Blizzard, it only took them two decades and the loss of the majority of their players to figure it out.
they're all straight lines except BRD anon. some of them fork at the very start
in fact, calling BRD a dungeon when its nothing like other dungeons seems to be the mistake. call it an instanced questing zone
People don't like WC because it takes forever and the gear you get from it is obsolete after just a few levels. It's for smurfing only and not even that useful for it.
>People don't like WC
idiot
"Ohhhh boy, I sure do love sitting in this ugly grotto, killing the same raptors and slimes for 3 hours while my party keeps wiping on the bosses!"
Tard
don’t invite people 5 levels too low, problem solved
Which ever version you want to pick, Black person.
Classic is nothing but dungeon spam, boosting and GDKPs.
And has been like that since it re-released in 2019.
I would know, I played it and boosted shitters in Maraudon on my mage.
>Classic is nothing but dungeon spam, boosting and GDKPs
I love that SoD had massive bot problems and fricking BFD GDKPs as soon as people got to 25. Classic players are fricking delusional that they think they aren't just playing Retail Minus.
Bro it's literally for WoTLK Classic.
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/faster-travels-to-shadowfang-keep-wotlk-classic-337698
But I thought classic was about the journey and the player interaction? How are you gonna make new friends if you don't have to run to Silverpine forest?
>But I thought classic was about the journey and the player interaction
Yeah Classic is. WoTLK classic isn't and never was even back in the day.
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/faster-travels-to-shadowfang-keep-wotlk-classic-337698#comments
Seems to be wotlk.
So it's only for the love in the air event which was literally revamped and not original content in Wrath. What's the problem?
the teleporter to shadowfang keep is for retail, as for some reason the valentines day event is broken and you can't queue for it. so they let you teleport there now
you're genuinely moronic
no it's there for a questline outside the keep
Travelling in WoW is neat the first time you do it and only then. Afterwards it becomes a whole lot of time wasting.
>heh, you saw those retail numbers?
>better ignore them and believe my LARP, game is dead, for realsies now, I'm telling you!
Too funny.
This thread is no logner about:
-Danuser
-Troons
-Furgays and other degenerates
This thread is now about:
-Cute Belf women and tummys
AI is the greatest thing to happen to Warcraft
hot elf butts
Butts.
the blood moon troll event is dumb
proof that he's gone?
He spoke about it to PC Gamer in an interview this week. Apparently they wanted him to work in office instead of from home, so Blizzard didn't even fire him for being incompetent.
ty
https://www.pcgamer.com/steve-danuser-world-of-warcraft-departure/
>Classic players think they're somehow better than retail players because it's about the journey and the community man
>Blizzard have to LITERALLY BAN GDKPs to stop Classic SoD players trying to play the game exactly like retail
classic gays are indeed bad
but it's more of the case that there's nothing lower than a r*tailgay
and classic gays are "better" by that metric
But if they treat the game exactly like retail and want to play it like retail and pay a monthly sub like retail, why are they any different?
What was his name?
Steve danuser
Return to Karazhan is the best dungeon they ever made.
I actually would say it's Mechagon, the one thing BFA did right.
Actually it's Tazavesh
average wowgay circa 2024
gyattt
would
WoW is so goddamn ugly holy shit
I don't read quest text and I skip cutscenes. I'm not gonna pretend that WoW was ruined by the story.
so do i but you’ll still be getting slapped in the face with feminism all the time
https://www.wowhead.com/news/steve-danuser-quietly-left-blizzard-entertainment-last-november-interview-with-337634
>comments locked
What did they mean by this?
>we want to cover it for clicks but we dont want any of those pesky discussions
The answer is yes. The lore is back in the tired, old hands of Chris Metzen. He can't frick up worse than he did with Kael'thas, right?
>diablo 3
>legacy of the void
lul
Doomers are going to doom anyway, but personally I am very interested in seeing what he can do when his attention is only on wow instead of 5 different franchises
It honestly can't be worse than Danuser's writing. The Green Jesus Cataclysm arc looks like fricking Shakespeare compared to Shadowlands.
all i see is rapidly declining standards
you homosexuals are unironically going to be horking for shit that was widely reviled in 2012
>"AT LEAST IT'S NOT"
you've already lost
Very true. I'm not gonna play War Within unless my addict buddies drag me back, I'm just saying it's not like the story can get even lower than J'lor and his mastermind plot going back to before Warcraft 1.
That's the joke, yeah. They blame Afrasiabi for how bad BFA and Shadowlands was despite him leaving before Legion, so now we can just use the same logic and blame Danuser if (when) the next expansions have bad writing.
Afrasiabi left in June 2020
you fricking bootlickers the game's been doomed since activision bought blizzard at the absolute latest
it's never GOING to get better. break the spell
(You)
you will never escape bobby kotick's clutches, even after he's left the company
microsoft will save it
believe it dood
MS has never saved anything
bro you dont get it
wow is coming back and it's coming back BIG
microsoft will cause a blizzard renaissance dood man just wait and see
you know, even ironical shitposting should have some basic level of decency
real life is beyond parody
he's been gone for months and their writing/story content is cokplete dogshit
and they have plans for more slop
imagine EVER being excited for anything story related and not just insta-skipping cutscenes
>he's been gone for months and their writing/story content is cokplete dogshit
But anon, Afrasiabi was gone for YEARS and he's the reason the story was bad under Danuser's term, doesn't that mean that all the story now and for the next 2 expansions is Danuser's work?
I have no idea, but that just sounds like woketard redditor cope to me, Afrasiabi was an easy scapegoat
is that the guy with a hardon for sylvanus?
From my experience with this company, he got replaced by someone much worse.
ahem ahem
the woman within
Those were a thing before your prostitute mother shat you out in the toilet bowl, broccoli head.
>ye olde URRH TOLKIEN cope
>ye olde urrh a canceled point and click adventure game that wasnt even made by blizzard itself cope
lmaoooo
the woman within
It's not a cope when the concept preceded your unfortunate birth.
warcraft isn’t tolkien, the timing sure is convenient during the troony expansion
it's their only cope left
>muh tolkien muh tolkien blizzard is being based and doing what chad tolkien did
but ignore the fact that they grabbed the tolkien pale elf race and gave them black skins.
So true. It's all just a coincidence that Blizzard didn't add dwarf women with beards (because wow dwarf women didn't have them) for over 15 years and only now with the advent of idpol garbage is starting to cram it in.
Just a coinkidink. Le based tolkien and all that. Just like it was le based tolkien when the generic pale fantasy elf race got black skins. Oh wait.
Gay frogs is probably also taken from Tolkien.
>Gay frogs is probably also taken from Tolkien.
That's just a funny Alex Jones reference.
What is this in reference to?
Ah yes, they didn't put beards on dwarf females because rushed development and they're now correcting their mistake. Don't huff too hard.
>What is this in reference to?
Your unhealthy obsession to living in /wowg/ and saving pictures from there to shit on the game here.
>no rebuttal
kek
le buck is broken
Nobody is as broken as letting a game live rent free. I am here to laugh at you wasting your better years on a game that will outlive you.
i'm having fun watching you squirm and cope trying to avoid reality
and you're doing a good job of it!
HOW THE FRICK DO FROGS GET MARRIED IS THERE A FROG PRIEST TO OFFICIATE THE MARRIAGE IS THERE A FROG RELIGION AND A FROG POPE
Vanilla development was rushed lazy and soulless
War within isn't, so they take more time on small things
What's the issue exactly? Other than your narrative falling apart
I really hope you are trolling right now.
It's objectively true
Shallow content with no depth or mechanics
Dogshit fetch quests copy pasted
Some zones/entire level ranges blatantly unfinished
Class design the most dogshit ever, almost every caster just presses X-bolt
The worst pvp system conceived
Go on, tell me where they spent all their effort
i didn't read your post.
I know you're coping hard anon
The answer is because they figured they could make a bunch of money by slapping a bunch of pixels on a female Dwarf and then putting a sale on the character remodel microtransaction
The brownie points they get for representation are a free bonus
Pronoun system is coming with the woman within
dwarf women looking like men is a concept older than you are
But what about Chumlee?
ENTER
>should’ve ushered in a new age of horsewiener filled fan art
>everybody hates nu-centaurs so much the whole race got like 10 pics total
>THIS IS BAD BECAUSE UH.... LE /misc/ BRAZILIANS SAID SO GYAHAHAHAA
you are a pathetic, subhuman animal and you will one day have your skull caved in
whats the point of spamming all the woke images
every thread
every day
They think they're harming the game or company, when the end result is Dragonflight having more players now than at lauch.
It's comical.
>Dragonflight having more players now than at lauch.
No WoW xpac since WotLK has ever had more players than initial launch.
Dragonflight does.
i seriously doubt it or dungeons wouldn’t need ai players because nobody is leveling
>I
Nobody gives a shit what you think, b***h Black person.
Cry some more.
you have to remember
dragonflop's launch of abysmal
classic and retail are still stuck together so blizzard can claim retail is alive because people sub for classic
Interesting cope, however
It's confirmed dead.
le ignore it and it will le go le away does not actually work. You need to showcase to the larger population the stupid and awful things your enemies think and do so that the power of basic human inference defeats them.
that's wrong bro we ignored the tumblrites in 2014 and see they're all gone! they were just a bunch of schizos without power and they just up and disappeared without affecting anything
:^)
Yeah that never works and only gives them what they want (attention).
what was his name again?
Can't wait for the new race after dwarves.
Monkey paw nerubians, raised on s o y
I'd play one as a rogue
why does its hair kind of look israeli
This like raid: shadow legends mixed with the movie Antz are they totally breft of any talent or artistic liscense?
is this the guy who had sylvannas as his waifu? they should ntr him and kill off his self insert.
Wasn't that the guy before him? Afrasabi or some shit?
His self insert died on sneedolands thoughever
he won, he already made a race for each one of his fetishes and 3 games about his waifu
I'Ve been playing since 2004 and did all the raids on the highest diff and stuff. I have skipped all the text and cinematics that I could. I don't give a frick about the lore, all that matters to me is to see the numbers going up.
@667081224
>WoW is objectively better now than in the past in every regard
trying way too hard to bait, anon. WoW is objectively shit now and has been longer than it's been good.
t. '06 gay
Again, trying to hard to fit in
You dodged giving any actual criticism (because you don't have any) and trying to look good on Ganker is all you have going in your life now
Lmao you made him seethe now since he refuses to give direct replies 😀
nice emote homosexual tourist
:3
Blizzard should thank the perverts from the original team for making such successful coomerbait.
Elves, Draenei, and Femhumans will keep their coomer audience as captive income and keep the company above water for eternity.
Same can be said for Overwatch as well.
why is the wow free trial so shit
i just want to play for a few days to get my fix and quit
Because playing a trial of retail wow is the equivalent of taking a piss for half a second then stopping and zipping up.
I saw a somewhat interesting video of a guy trying to "complete" the WoW Trial by doing all the content he could. He did a bunch of minmaxing to try and improve his character in silly ways. Maybe you could try something like that if you're desperate?
Or just get a job like any well adjusted adult and buy a subscription.
But then again Ganker is mostly brownoids and neets with 0 income.
I dunno, playing the game in a completely different way could be fun I guess, and maybe they just think they're making some sort of heroic stand against Blizzard by not subbing.
But if they had a job they wouldn't be able to shitpost on Ganker.
>buy a subscription
yea, no.
didnt this troony leave and go to riot
yeah he's the principal game designer over there
i said in my post that i only wanted to play for a few days. why would i pay for a month
>Game has dressup features
>98% of outfits and sets are bulky, locked to single colors and difficult to mix and match
>Cutemog outfit still has the top-half and stockings painted on the body
Mabinogi came out months before WoW did and it was unique and cool seeing the same exact equipment in different colors back then, even allowing you to dye them. Both those engines are dogshit, so what the frick is wrong with Blizzard?
This thread is just a bunch of WOWtrannies shilling their shitty dead game.
someone has to do it
GO BACK TO WOWG RIGHT NOW AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA I RECOGNIZE ALL OF YOU POSTERS AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA OH MY GOD *breathes in* AHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH NONONONONONONONONON
wow what a gay
>If I keep saying that it's dead it will magically become true
Heh. Tranon learns that he can't shitpost things into existence
Insane denial levels in this thread
wowgays, alongside nintentoddlers, are probably the biggest olympic copers Ganker has
Wow was never good as a game. You thought it was good because it served as social media while giving you and others excuses to interact and socialize with each other. With Warcraft lore being an interesting enough backdrop to give flavour to the above for those that cared.
But the actual gameplay could have been just about anything that wouldn't actively annoy players.
This broadly applies to the entire genre by the way. Not just WoW.
it WAS good, nearly 20 years ago
hot take: BFA was the best part of the game's storyline in terms of action and content for shaking things up so far.
changing the narritive of the factions towards having them actually do something to each other which made a difference to the storyline, instead of just minor skirmishes before they hug and kiss and kill the big bad boss at the end- /again/-, was, frankly, refreshing.
/wowg/ abandoned this thread...
even they couldnt save the thread from the sheer fact that the game is shit
Yeah, their thread became instantly active when they stopped posting here.
90% of wowg posters hate wow
knowing them, they're probably just busy shitting their pants in a wow classic thread or in a xiv thread
Metzen is just as bad
If the story is good, we'll praise Metzen.
If the story is bad, we'll blame Danuser just like he blamed Afrasiabi.
if the story is bad i'm blaming metzen though
>Problem #1
Danuser's damage is already done and probably irreversible.
>Problem #2
Metzen will probably be better but he's got a mountain of shit writing habits as well.
>Problem #3
Microsoft probably won't be any better than Activision
expect a return to form with metzen, and by that i mean nothing but green jesus
He should run an auto shoppe
WoW needs a total reboot back to vanilla in a new engine with new visuals and controller-friendly action-oriented gameplay.
>consoleplebs
God no have a nice day
>controller-friendly action-oriented gameplay.
kek
The problem with a "WoW Reboot" or "WoW 2" or "Classic Plus" is it'll be made and played by the same people who make the current game shit.
It's time to let it go.
Outsource it to Korea, those guys make MMOs that play really well but they're completely fricked in the head when it comes to grinding and pay to win. A grade-A Korean MMO developer working on a new World of Warcraft game under western supervision would be ideal.
WoW does play well shitter
No way gay, I'm not touching your shitty spreadsheet rotations ever again.
Literally not a thing shitter
Lots of buzzwords there but WoW 2 is coming after The Last Titan yeah
I feel like I died and went to purgatory where everything moderately sucks
Welcome to adulthood
Season of discovery shows that Blizzard still can make somewhat decent content, problem is they're mostly using the older and good content to do so, turns out forcing people to group up to achieve shit is integral to the game. They just have to fricking scrap everything that's permanently damaged the game, in short, start the frick over.
The current state of Blizzard and its players.
>Blizzard tricked millions into paying 15$ a month for a quarter of a year to level to 25 and re-run Black Fathron Depths off cool-down
>retail raiding is a failed e-sport the majority of players don't wanna play
>retail M+ is a failed e-sport the majority of the players don't wanna play
>arena is a failed e-sport the majority of the players don't wanna play
>b-but shit player erp trannies and normalgays don't like raiding
And?
Did you forget you're on Ganker? Casual shitstains don't belong here
Actually gamers are happy
>Casual shitstains don't belong on Ganker Ganker
KEK this is you isn't it? Cuz you sure post like it.
raiding is a failed e-sport the majority of players don't wanna play
M+ is a failed e-sport the majority of the players don't wanna play
when was this ever not the case? the majority of people never raided or did dungeons in vanilla
See
and
Cope and Sneethe
i find something new that hurts me every time i watch this webm
Shitterlands and Dragonflight still exist.
It's over...
>Makes a million "WoW is dead" videos
>Still fricking plays it
This is why nothing ever gets better.
he actually doesn't, though
id play this piece of shit for a couple million per year too
I look forward to such Asmonbald classics as "WoW is saved!", "WoW is Back!", and "WoW Cured my hair loss and De-wasped my walls!" whenever the newest expansion drops.
The golden age is over. Its time to let go.
The show continues until WoW stops being the best MMO on the market
a team of 20-25 dudes could do in 3-4 years what the retail dev team of 300-400+ people can't do at all.
the bloat truly is fricking insane
>99% male team
>few asian guys, otherwise all crew is white
>best, most successful MMO ever
Fast forward a few years
>bought by globohomosexual israelite giant
>replace original crew with dikes, rainbow colored hair freaks and trannies
>game immediately becomes the worst it has ever been
INB4 MUH NOSTALGIA GLASSES
yeah, you wonder why companies hire based off gender ideology or political leanings rather than "is this person actually talented and can produce something of value?".
No wonder every western slop coming out now is so awful even with 3x the amount of developers and dev time.
yes
I hate this fricking game and i wish my friends would move the frick on. It was fun in middle school but it's been like 20 years
Cope