This has been a terrible two years for strategy and simulation titles.

What is going on? Why are all the big name games so fricked?
Why are the 2020's so bad for strategy and simulation games? I know there's plenty of other older games to play, but isn't it kind of disappointing that these titles that could have been good have just fricking sucked dog wiener?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shills and complacency. Tendency for fans not to try out new games.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It can't be as simple as that.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That is one of the reasons. One Proud Bavarian, Andy's Take, Terminator. All shill channels with big followings.

        You're not really looking well enough for good strategy games.

        They have a pretty good range. They published Shadow Empire. But some are duds obviously.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are those Youtube channels? I've never heard of any of that.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Andy's Take
          Had no idea who this guy was until he showed up on the Field of Glory: Kingdoms discord to offer the most absurdly smoothbrained take about how the devs should have the little building icons somehow use the same style as Rome Total War's 3D building icons. All these content creators are straight up fricking moronic and I feel sorry for any game dev who makes the mistake of taking their advice to heart

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know about One Proud Bavarian, BUT
          >Andy's Take
          No just NO probably the worst out of all three

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >One Proud Bavarian
          >Victoria 3 videos
          ew

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            hitler was an austrian chad

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not as much as Arnie tho.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I enjoyed OPB's Crusader Kings roleplay videos, too bad he's now stuck churning out videos trying to convince people that Victoria 3 isn't complete shit

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're not really looking well enough for good strategy games.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      My point is that a vast majority of large titles released this decade have not only been absolute stinkers, but they have also been actually unplayable. As in they cannot even be played. Why is this happening more to these genres than to other genres of video game?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        They get taken over by marketing departments and forced to sustain insane development schedules which means they can never adequately address tech debt, engine upgrades, bugs, fundamental design problems. It also means that some sequels don't have the bug fixes that their previous games had. All this came out during the creative assembly leaks.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally part of the problem, rather than a solution

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        True

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        People like you is reason why we never deserve anything better.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      DW2 is a buggy trash heap. They've been bugfixing for years and it still sucks ass.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hopefully Espiocracy actually comes out and doesn't suck

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's an emotional scam

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >hurr hurr hurr emotional scam
        Go back to that radlib and commie infested shithole of a discord server

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Emotional scam is a homegrown /vst/-meme, you isralite.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's already an in-joke in their cancerous discord server.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not on discord and I'm a libertarian

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dominions 6 is coming out soon

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dominions 6 is already out. It's called Dominions 5.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Paradox and Creative Assembly, which have a virtual stranglehold and monopoly on their respective niches, know that the dumb fodder will buy any game they shit out, so they have no incentive for it to be good - just marketed enough for dumb morons to buy it.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >THE FREE MARKET WILL SAVE US!

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        but bernie told me that finsweden is a utopic socialist country

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          it is, compared to murica, not exactly a high bar

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean on the sort of positive side, from all the leaked stuff from within CA they nearly destroyed themselves pushing out the turd that was Hyenas and all the SAGA TW games plus having a low-boiling internal revolt over how shitty things are. Even though I don't have high hopes there's still a chance for them.

      As for Paradox they're fricked because they secured their bases by creating a brand cult of soys and trannies who will defend and play their games no matter how bad (see Vicky 3, CK III) and by using rabid fan armies to drown out criticism plus blanket bans and post deletions on their forums, discords, reddit, and other social media pages they can keep the illusion of a happy customer base going. The marketing there is kind of genius.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are all the big name games so fricked?
    Diversity hires take over HR and hire more diversity hires until meritocracy gets taken out back and shot in favor of the holiness spiral.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I agree its been a terrible year. Especially Paradox games.

    • 6 months ago
      Sean of Advice

      I went from one of their biggest fanboys to cynical towards them. I do feel like the new beta for Victoria 3 is amazing though.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >namegay likes paraisraelite dlc factories

        tell me more

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The updates (dlc) for Stellaris are very good apart from hobbling leaders again, and, touching on their stifling of players, I can’t believe they that paradox has not restored the ability to manually designate sector systems.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hope someone does some in-depth review on the development of Kerbal 2 at some point because holy shit the stars have to align to create a failure of that magnitude

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The short answer is that a couple crowdfunding scam artists running a shell company duped the IP owners into paying them to develop the game without checking the receipts.

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >2020's
    why are you acting like the genre hasn't been in a crisis for a decade at least?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because plenty of good stuff released in the 2010s. It was arguably the best decade ever for these games.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >spotted the Parashill Nu-Com fanboy

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    at least the upcoming indies are looking good, but who knows when they're coming out

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      god the brigador graphics make me coom every time, every game should use brigador graphics

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        devs relearning the art of pre rendered sprites warms my soul

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      god the brigador graphics make me coom every time, every game should use brigador graphics

      devs relearning the art of pre rendered sprites warms my soul

      This image brings back Fallout Tactics memories, might check it out later to see if it's any good.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Kerbal Space Program 2
    I don't play KSP, but I haven't heard any complaints about it like the other games that fricked up
    >Crusader Kings 3
    I heard this one is okay, new players seem to like it, it's just oldheads that are bored with it since it doesn't have all of CK2's stuff. But again, I don't play CK either so feel free to disregard my opinion here
    >Grey Eminence
    This game didn't even come out yet! Why are you counting it?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This game didn't even come out yet! Why are you counting it?
      I can just feel that it's gonna be shit.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't play KSP, but I haven't heard any complaints about it like the other games that fricked up
      must have been living under a rock then

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        What was wrong with it, gimme a qrd

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but it took them 8 months to finally add reentry effects

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but it took them 8 months to finally add reentry effects

        >I don't play KSP, but I haven't heard any complaints about it like the other games that fricked up
        Literally unplayable on every single computer, including if you had 4080. Runs on the same exact engine as KSP1, data miners found that it also uses the same code. Every craft was rendered at all times, no matter where you were, so longer(read, save has more than 2 ships) saves started lagging even more. The saves also had a tendency to get corrupted so hard that the game itself would not launch anymore until you reinstalled it

        Content wise, there was also the fact that it was asking for a total of like, what, 40 or 50$ for a quarter of the features that KSP1 actually had. There's no excuse, especially with it still running on the same engine. No clue if the lag is fixed now, it's been months so it most likely is?

        Just so you understand how incompetent the devs are, the navball wasn't a shader or a spinning texture or anything like that. It was an actual 3d model with 120k (I think) verts.

        Thank you anons, I am now no longer blissfully ignorant

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh right, I forgot, they must've done SOMETHING moronic about modding because there's no actual mods yet, it's just ui and qol things.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't play KSP, but I haven't heard any complaints about it like the other games that fricked up
      Literally unplayable on every single computer, including if you had 4080. Runs on the same exact engine as KSP1, data miners found that it also uses the same code. Every craft was rendered at all times, no matter where you were, so longer(read, save has more than 2 ships) saves started lagging even more. The saves also had a tendency to get corrupted so hard that the game itself would not launch anymore until you reinstalled it

      Content wise, there was also the fact that it was asking for a total of like, what, 40 or 50$ for a quarter of the features that KSP1 actually had. There's no excuse, especially with it still running on the same engine. No clue if the lag is fixed now, it's been months so it most likely is?

      Just so you understand how incompetent the devs are, the navball wasn't a shader or a spinning texture or anything like that. It was an actual 3d model with 120k (I think) verts.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Content wise, there was also the fact that it was asking for a total of like, what, 40 or 50$ for a quarter of the features that KSP1 actually had
        I had considered the fatal sin of preordering when the game was first announced, but once I found out about the monetization bullshit and cut promised content, I promptly and wisely rejected such notions, and I refuse to buy or play such slop on principle. I will admit they almost had me there for a second, before the other shoe dropped that is.
        >SIGH, the more things change, the more they stay the same, I guess...

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        8 month in EA still no basic functionalitu of gameplau. entire team is dedicated to making trans kerbals with kween hair.
        pointless tutorials that cater to no one but the girl bosses in hr.
        built in malware that writes code to windows registers cant delete.
        hires trannies for mods to harass all who complain how bad the game is in channels

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >built in malware that writes code to windows registers cant delete.
          lol what? As I said, I haven't been keeping up, no fricking way that's true, right?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, it is. They somehow wrote new data to the registry every time you ran the game, and eventually the key they used would be too big to read properly anymore. Then, whenever a program tries to read this key, it would crash. Luckily, KSP2 is the only program affected by it, but it conceivable that even a slight change could have caused them to write to a much more important key, causing them to brick your entire OS.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >oldheads

      kys homosexual, you Black personhomosexual

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know it's bad when they still didn't add science in ksp2.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Grey Eminence is never coming out. It's in dev hell

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I seriously hope nothing bad happens to Ascendance.

      Whats wrong with Grey Eminence its hasn't even launched yet?

      >Grey Eminence isn't out
      That's exactly the problem. They ran out of funding before they could get an alpha out, so they had to pause development to go do other work to raise funding themselves.
      Lead dev said they're "looking at less than 2 years to restart" development as of early September.

      The 1 thing that will completely change every single strategy title (really any genre tbh) will be the introduction of AGI that can role play as the NPCs.
      i.e. imagine playing something like HOI4 or Civilization or any other strategy game but you can actually communicate with the AI players at a human level and experience much more realistic diplomacy rather than just basic checkboxes that determine whether or not an AI accepts trade deals or alliances.
      This would breathe so much life back into literally every existing game. I'm hoping we can see this, at least a basic form of it, within a few years.

      That requires a ton of computational power.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        and how was that game even gonna be anything but paradox mana clone, with even more samey feel for all times and nations?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          What? Are you asking how Grey Eminence was going to be any different to Paradox's games? You can read their dev diaries to see. It's fundamentally simulationist in its approach rather than gamey like Paradox's. The economy is actually real, and there's no mana. That's basically the whole point of why they were making the game.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            and how is it gonna be anything than an excel spreadsheet, you cant "simulate" centuries of totally different places?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              nestinars.com/greyeminence
              Here, go look at it yourself. No point in me just regurgitating things at you.
              >you cant "simulate" centuries of totally different places?
              Why not?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                just seems like way too much, it would be better to do just europe first, no one cares about oooga booga land

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Making systems that can encompass a wide variety of things from the start is much easier than trying to retrofit an already limited system into being less limited.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                its way too much work obviously

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                sounds like a laziness issue

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's fricking sad, I'm still playing shit that I used to play nearly a decade ago like CK2 and GOY4. What went so wrong?

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 1 thing that will completely change every single strategy title (really any genre tbh) will be the introduction of AGI that can role play as the NPCs.
    i.e. imagine playing something like HOI4 or Civilization or any other strategy game but you can actually communicate with the AI players at a human level and experience much more realistic diplomacy rather than just basic checkboxes that determine whether or not an AI accepts trade deals or alliances.
    This would breathe so much life back into literally every existing game. I'm hoping we can see this, at least a basic form of it, within a few years.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, thanks.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"games that provide a better and more fulfilling immersive experience? no thanks, i just wanna play cookie clickers"
        ok
        how about at least saying why you wouldn't like it? too much social anxiety to interact with bots?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >unironically wanting proompting in your games

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who said anything about prompts? Put on a headset and use your voice to communicate just as you would with a human, brainlet

            moron

            I'm a moron because you're too much of a moronic autist and your social anxiety makes you want to have a nice day just from talking to bots? lmao
            Go back to your Victoria 3 cookie clicker you dumb homosexual. Why put strategy back into strategy games when morons like you can just load up a youtube guide and click your way to generic playthrough #81234

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          imagine wanting to talk with bots

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      moron

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm going to ERP plap civ 6 cleopatra and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    We don't need new game ever. Just a community that mod and fix the good games.

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    i dont agree with crusader kings 3 and galactic paragons being put in the same picture as those other massive flops

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      CK3 has very little to do in it.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but the others are straight up disasters

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lotta slop, like looking into a trough
    I'll stick with 20+ year old titles

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that half of those are sequels made by money-grubbing monopolies should tell you.

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    this is a bait thread
    i hate you

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is it still bait if it is my honest thoughts?

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whats wrong with Grey Eminence its hasn't even launched yet?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It got cancelled this year.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Damn really? Why the frick do they still have a steam page up then?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >We're pausing development while we work to secure funding for the game.
          >29 May 2023
          No activity on Twitter, either.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Society started dying after 2012, it took a few years for video games to catch up and Strategy games were the last holdout but now even strategy games are dying off.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      John Smith from Texas Oblast here. I am of agreeance comrade. Western society is decline and I am of the doing demoralised utterly.

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paradox makes games for 19 year old middle class Americans with birdsnest hair, brand new cars and a white picket fence mcmansion one highway ride away from every city in America. They listen to dia lupa and speak in ebonics despite being paler than than printer stock.
    They used to make games for 3rd world shoeless hispanics that played on a 2005 acer laptop with a silver-plastic finish that they set on top of a 2 person kitchen table in a 1 bedroom house with 6 family members in the middle of a city of 200,000 built next to a quarry.

    What I'm saying is the soul is gone. Logan just wants the immediate satisfaction of drawing arrows in HoI4 and thinking he's clever for playing a game that has numbers on the screen. Juan's computer can't even run Victoria 3.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      worst post today, they made games for euro autists, esl shitskins like you will never have soul

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >despite being paler than than printer stock
      ameribros we're so fricking back, the white race is saved
      >one highway ride away from every city in America
      what is this even supposed to mean

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    CKIII is pure greed. They sell their dlc at the same price as the base game was priced on release. The improvements to CKII are minimal and not satisfying and the game is streamlined considerably to remove the chance of defeat. Unfortunately, it will be some time before the playerbase realises, the CK playerbase (paradox) is far behind Total War on the road to revolting against the developers.
    With Total War it appears the pigs have finally realised they are eating slop.

  23. 6 months ago
    Menace II Society

    >FRICK all Subhuman
    >FRICK All the bots
    >FRICK All the Shills
    I see human typing shit here in This thread and I feel fine .

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only strategy game I’ve liked sun the 2020s was Age of Wonders 4 but I never played the previous games

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    for all intents and purpose I dont think CK3 really failed
    it at least have little soul left and you could feel that someone in the dev team "tried"
    other are just pure slops that dont even works

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I still can't get ober how KSP2 can brick your computer.
      Thabkfully I don't buy pzzware so not my problem.

      please learn English, you spic/pajeet manlets

      t. embarrassed ESL

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day, gay.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        english cuck language, i manly, 100% serbian stock, frick eol, castrate yourself

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          what have serbs accomplished in the last years?
          being roach rapebabies?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        we all can play this game
        >reddit spacing

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but when you start working you will realise that proper spacing makes your message way easier to read.

  26. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I still can't get ober how KSP2 can brick your computer.
    Thabkfully I don't buy pzzware so not my problem.

  27. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    But have you actually sucked dog wiener, OP?

  28. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you VILL follow ze Ganker style guide

  29. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've had fun with Shadows of Forbidden Gods, Against the Storm, Songs of Conquest and X4: Foundations this year. Bigger titles haven't really seemed interesting.

  30. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because corporate culture, that's why. The second you start trying to make games in a design-by-committee safe space that's primary purpose before anything else is the bottom line, then you have a recipe for a shit game. When games are made by tight-knit small teams with passion and a sense of personal ownership over what they're building together, at a minimum you're far more likely to get something interesting. Take that away and you get people punching in to work on whatever atomised section of code they've been tasked with, and of course they're not going to be invested enough to do more than the bare minimum. And that's not even touching on the cancerous effects of HR and marketing departments that exist purely to siphon corporate money for whatever superfluous moronation they think actually matters. Not to mention non-gamer executive meddling to cut dev time to improve profit projections, or cut beloved features to save money or repackage into DLC later.

    It takes someone truly talented and influential within a company to avoid these sorts of problems and those kinds of auteurs are being systematically weeded out in the West by prevailing corporate culture because they're considered "problematic" or dumb trendy shit people with worthless degrees but high opinions of themselves say. Heavily corporate development studios are where creativity, passion, and drive go to die in the face of the elevation of profit-seeking, rank incompetence.

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