This is easily the best 3d mario game, 64 is second and odyssey is third. Anyone who disagrees has terminally shit taste
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This is easily the best 3d mario game, 64 is second and odyssey is third. Anyone who disagrees has terminally shit taste
For me, it's Galaxy > Sunshine > 64.
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this is the last time ive ever been indifferent with a take on Ganker
Too much water
>Cubetrash
That's by far the worst 3D Mario unless you count 3D Land.
3d land is way better than both galaxies
best movement but everything else is shit
>I like trash but actually it is you who likes trash because you don't like it
64 has so many actual bugs and issues it's unreal.
Anyone who says it's best hasn't played it properly in years.
Did op say it was best?
Despite the bugs, it still has the best feeling Mario to control. Camera issues can be mitigated by switching to Mario cam instead of Lakitu cam in 95% instances. The only Invisible Wall that will get you if you aren't speedrunning is the rolling log on Tall Tall Mountain.
They removed so many moves going into Sunshine just to give FLUDD something to do, and the game design suffers for it (the best designed areas are the ones where you DON'T have FLUDD).
Galaxy has even less movement options than Sunshine, and is on rails between planets anyway so the exploration doesn't even feel real outside of a small handful of levels.
Odyssey added a lot back in, but the optimal movement is long jump > throw cap > dive > spin > dive in 95% of situations, so it's just the illusion of free choice.
I've only played Galaxy 2 once so I'll abstain from commenting on it. SM64 is easily the best Mario collectathon by a country mile.
Building off of this, getting a Moon in Odyssey doesn't feel good after the first few. Once you've collected your fifth "kick rock, get Moon" and twelfth "ground pound over shiny spot on ground" Moon, even the ones after a tough platforming section feel underwhelming.
>Odyssey
I've only played 64 and Odyssey. For some reason I just couldn't get used to Odyssey's movement, like it's too slippery or too floaty. Felt so weird to play it put me off and never finished it.
Odyssey's main flaw is that it's too easy - even the target audience of young kids will breeze through it. It's still fun and imaginative, but it would have benefited from the inclusion of some challenge levels like the FLUDD-less obstacle courses in Sunshine. (There are a few places where Mario's magic cap is taken away, but these turn out to be as undemanding and trivial as everything else).
contrarianism isn't a personality trait
I love how sunshinegays will praise sunshine for everything but the gameplay.
You WILL say
>oh but its le hard
when it isnt, or
>oh but muh tropical atmospheric kinooooo
when its subpar at best
At its best, it's got the shortest, most underwhelming campaign out of the 3D marios when you don't go for 100%. At its worst, its a maliciously designed collectathon that doesn't respect your time. It's a linear game putting up the facade of being a successor to mario 64, resulting in an awful in between that is an awful halfway point, resulting in it having the lowest of lows in the entire mario franchise. You like the idea of Sunshine, not the actual game.
I praise it for its gameplay. Its literally 64 gameplay but enhanced, i don’t need to listen to the deep sounding drivel of a Ganker autist telling me otherwise over stupid empty bullshit like soul or atmosphere or something even more egregious like glitches allowing you to perform skillfull stunts in 64
>I praise it for its gameplay. Its literally 64 gameplay but enhance
Again, you only like the idea of Sunshine. There is nothing ingame that backs this egregious claim when you can only ever do the mission's dedicated shine unlike in 64 where you can choose to do a completely different star outside of the main one for most missions. For example, in Bianco Hills, why stop me from going to get the shine in that cave that leads to the FLUDD-less level for every other mission but the only one dedicated to it? The literal only thing stopping mario from ever getting that shine is a tiny pickaxe sign with an X mark, when if this truly was 64 but enhanced it would've let me done exactly that. There are very VERY few missions in Sunshine that justify having a shine exclusive to them when practically nothing in the levels change significantly to make it feel new to retread.
Of course sunshinegays are illiterate too.
That is literally what you wrote you dishonest scumbag. I agree you should fricking have a nice day
You don’t get to tell me or anyone what I like. I like sunshine because of its gameplay and level design.
I do not care for sequence breaking, it doesn’t mean anything from a design standpoint. You are literally just spouting worthless drivel opinions and you are probably an autist that complains about things like backtracking.
No one mentioned sequence breaking
> For example, in Bianco Hills, why stop me from going to get the shine in that cave that leads to the FLUDD-less level for every other mission but the only one dedicated to it?
It is related to sequence breaking, since the only time you’d have interest in doing this level is when you select the shine level for it or before. I distinctly remember you being able to get shines out of order as well in sunshine and complaining about something like this is incredibly stupid to begin with because it adds nothing to the game, mario games are about objectives in a sandbox world not an open world exploration game. Play odyssey if you want stupid shit like that.
>It is related to sequence breaking
It's not. The comparison there is that in Mario 64, every single course has at least 4 stars available to you, regardless of which star you select, whereas in Sunshine the only Shine you can get out of order without glitches is Bianco Hills 2 (the Petey Piranha one) during Bianco Hill 1 (the sludge Piranha).
>it adds nothing to the game, mario games are about objectives in a sandbox world not an open world exploration game
The irony of you saying it's a sandbox world, but god forbid there's multiple objectives at once in the sandbox.
You can have singular objectives in a sandbox world as well especially when the stage changes for that express purpose. I don’t think having multiple objectives at a time is a bad thing but when I can only get a single shrine at a time I do not think its a bad thing whatsoever not any sort of downgrade to 64, its actually the same exact design. Complain about actual issues next time and not something as stupid as this.
>My autism goes haywire because I can't do a shine for one mission in a different mission
>this is my basis for thinking nobody else likes the gameplay of Sunshine
Bro get some self awareness. That is some serious autism.
>Its literally 64 gameplay but enhanced
wrong, no long jump. long jump is the best part of 64
Spin Jump>>Long Jump
Long Jump > Spin Jump > Sideways Somersault
I always hated longjump, it felt weird & awkward
>when you don’t go for 100%
have a nice day Black person your opinion is fricking worthless
>I love how sunshinegays will praise sunshine for everything but the gameplay.
I fricking love the gameplay. FLUDD (from a gameplay perspective) is my favorite part of sunshine, the ability to add different movement options to your game which expand as you play more, in addition to the way it ties into other aspects of the game are amazing
>The game with the best gameplay in the franchise
>praised for everything but the gameplay
you must be moronic. Sunshine has a ton of flaws but the gameplay is far and away the best part of the game.
THIS. So. MUCH. THIS
You and him don’t have any sort of substantial argument. Falsely acussing someone of being reddit because you hate their opinions also isn’t an argument.
ironic since sunshine is without a doubt the most r*ddit mario game ever released.
The more recent Mario often lean on nostalgia for the old games, a practice which holds a particular appeal for redditors. Sunshine didn't try to rely on memberberries, and in fact did a lot of new things that upset a lot of manchildren. It's antithetical to Reddit, though still not a very good game.
I haven't played odyssey
For me it's sunshine > galaxy > 64
Yes, 64 is a much more interesting game than Galaxy & it was a marvel for its time, but the experience of actually playing galaxy is just simply a lot better.
I cant really stand mario as an IP or nintendo as a company, but I think Mario 64 should get all the credit Zelda64 gets. Mario was a breath of fresh air, like playing tony hawk for the first time. Zelda was surprisingly mid even at the time, but ti's babby's first 3D ting, so it gets several passes.
Absolutely not. The vibe and setting is incredible, and its a great game. But Mario 64 is an all time best. Odyssey is better too.
64 > Odyssey > Sunshine
Galaxy takes a giant dump over Sunshine because Mario was never ever JUST about movement. All sunshine has is autistic speedrunning homosexualry because it has slicker movement but Galaxy is a full blown high budget highly creative adventure that is a million times more fricking fun that that POS unfinished game Sunshine.
Sunshine SUCKS and FRICK you
Amazing how you argued absolutely nothing in your post outside of saying that mario sunshine has great movement.
Sunshine is so much better than all 3d Mario games except galaxy 1 and 2
Wii zoomers cant understand that no one likes galaxy
>Waggle jump thats slower and needs to be used x20 as often than hover nozzle
>Pointing at screen and tilting gimmicks
>Linear boring levels
>Feed the luna please
>Green stars are worse blue coins that boot you out of a level
>Mario has no momentum at all outside of planetoids
>Acrobatic feeling is all gone, mario moves like he has cement shoes
>That fricking walk speed is 33% of what it should be
Its a 3d mario thats not fun to play
Sunshine>64>3d world >Galaxy>Odyssey