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this is going to release and instantly discredit 2 years worth of reddit lore
No one cares. The actual lore is already fully understood.
No why a Maricon is a troony?
You doing okay sister it looks like you had a stroke?
KEK
What is the elden ring and why can you break it with a hammer
I thought this was already settled. The Elden Ring is the physical icon of the laws of the universe. Marika breaking it would be akin to a god (which she is) fricking up the fabric of reality and cosmic order.
It really didn't do anything anyway, the runes still seem to be active on the world unless you seal them in somebody like Malikath.
What lore
The lore in elden ring.
Sorry sister.
Radagon being a piece of Marika that she separated from herself, or some GO loving rando that she merged with for some reason?
The moment one of these is given as the answer to the Marika question, then a good chunk of lore videos can get tossed into the dumpster.
Radagon is already explained.
He's Marika.
Google what a rebis is.
post the rebis in the game
Marika/Radagon/Beast
the beast has no gender. it's not even real, that entire sequence after radagon is a
Did someone say the beast has a gender?
You doing okay anon?
>The Rebis (from the Latin res bina, meaning double matter) is the end product of the alchemical "great work." After one has gone through putrefaction and purification, separating opposing qualities, those qualities are united once more in what is sometimes described as the divine hermaphrodite—a reconciliation of spirit and matter, a being of both male and female qualities as indicated by the two heads within a single body.
>The dragon in alchemy represents the prime matter, as well as the third alchemical element: sulfur. The winged dragon suggests ascension, a merging of material and spiritual. Fire is a common transformative symbol.
elden beast isn't a dragon it's a leviathan that's why it swims.
here's this picture of godwyn taming it
>The actual lore is already fully understood.
what are the two fingers finging about
>what are the two fingers finging about
>Kingmaking. They are the kingmaker like how druids are. Kaathe and Frampt did it in dark souls.
I always thought they were part of a bigger being that would be revealed at some point.
>I always thought they were part of a bigger being that would be revealed at some point.
They are. They are a giant rat's ball of serpents. Regardless of your ending they all come up (there are more than 2) to bow to you in unison because they are only playing their little game they don't actually care about the outcome.
They receive messages from the greater will
frick off with your head-canon. fromsofts entire narrative theme is to be as vague as frick and let the player imagine all the bullshit in between. they never explain anything because they know your dumbass will just head canon everything and argue about it. there is no explanation, they never thought of it.
Nope, everyone understands it since it pulls from a known school of thought or two.
I did my masters thesis on Willaim Blake's life so nothing in elden ring was new to me.
Someone claimed that so you'd accept the elden beast lording over you.
If you die of something bad christian's say it is god's will. If they say you are going to die but you don't, they say that is god's will also. See how it works?
so the elden beast is a god, but it's definitely not a plant
Neither god nor plant. It is a thoughtform created from Marika's desire for absolute order. As a result it embodies absolute order to a degree that it usurped her position from her.
>It is a thoughtform created from Marika's desire for absolute order
the elden beast is described as an envoy of the greater will, sent to the lands between on a meteorite. Marika became a god long after this.
huh? the beast wasn't willed into existence by marika, the frick? that is never even implied anywhere. it was literally sent on a golden comet by the greater will
It was actually. The game tells you the 3 fingers origin to show you how people create these beings.
The Three Fingers already existed, it just used the despair of the Great Caravan as its power source for entering the world. The Elden Beast arrived on a golden star to kickstart life on the planet.
>it was literally sent on a golden comet by the greater will
That is its narrative. Read the legendary spells they say how the various meteors the god's inhabited actually came to the lands between it wasn't some greater will.
A comet left the primeval current and split into 12 parts, 1 part being amber.
The gods are just magic rocks that fuel magic, once on the planet the people put intention into that magic and birthed the beings themselves.
Oh great, it's this shizo with his sonichu rainbow origin for the GW and outer gods. Christ almighty some of the memey head canons Ganker pulls out of their ass.
Isn't it embodied, and represented by, in almost all forms of knowledge as a giant tree?
the poster with the plant theory thinks that the erdtree represents the crucible
the crucible is the earth/root system to which all life returns to in the great cycle
but the erdtree certainly comes from the greater will and the elden beast, not the crucible. The crucible certainly predates the age of the erdtree
the erdtree literally grew out from the crucible anon. it grew from the earth.
it includes the roots, that's what things like the crucible spear are based on. the cycle of life and death includes the act of consumption. the plant consumes the earth, the animals consume the plant, the animal returns to the earth.
>the erdtree literally grew out from the crucible anon. it grew from the earth.
the golden comet was the seed
the crucible is the earth, everything grows out of the earth. The erdtree is a soul parasite that usurps the natural cycle of life and death by taking the dead into its roots
Bingo
>The erdtree is a soul parasite that usurps the natural cycle of life and death by taking the dead into its roots
Didn't this started to happen because Marika removed the run of death?
at the behest of the vassal of the greater will, yes. the erdtree is an invasive entity that is using the lands between as a food source to reproduce. that's why the erdtree giving off seeds was seen as a grim sign.
>that's why the erdtree giving off seeds was seen as a grim sign.
That was because their culture was based on worshipping a single tree.
You were probably getting groomed at the time.
Then why did the elden ring came with the run of death in the first place if it wanted it to be removed?
the elden beast later became the elden ring, it wasn't always the elden ring.
the true nature of gold includes death.
The cruicible is just the dirt.
Dragons and their ring order were about evolution. Life comes from the dirt, the clay. That is why it's color is colorized by crimson, like clay.
This. Their domain was horn, claw, and tail. They were concerned with apex predation and making the apex form within themselves evolutionarily. What we call dragons are just the apex form of horn, claw, and tail on 1 creature. The elden beast's form mirrors the philosophy of the dragon by proxy.
I'm in the same boat. I think Mike is good and the cut content with him being keikaku being cut was a blessing, but his life's path is set aside for him and defined by his quest to fix his brother, and that quest has only ever made him at odds with the faith and he has largely lost his faith in the religion as it is. Something will have to fill that void. Maybe he'll have the final epiphany that death was the solution after all, and that is how we get punished Mike.
death IS good midwit, his entire faith revolves around death. his entire secondary persona revolves around death. the butterfly associated with him is found on corpses. he had his "epiphany" well before the game started.
>he had his "epiphany" well before the game started.
There wouldn't be a single living soul in the haligtree if this was the case. No albinaurics would try going there if Miquella had come to his final solution already.
He may be aware, tentatively and in the back of his mind, but he is not acting on it.
He's spoken of fearfully in the base game too but you see his actions are 100% altruistic. His power is just something to fear.
the major flaw in your logic is that you don't realize yet that his altruistic gift that people actually want is the gift of death. A lot of it is lost in rewrites but the wars of the lands between were fought because the demigods wanted their mortality back.
The dragon elden ring glyph even looks like a family tree of descendants like you'd track if you were getting deep into eugenics.
I know, I'm the anon saying that forgiving and accepting the death is all that is needed to cure the curse. We get that. Miquella obviously doesn't.
miquella is cursed with gold to the truest extent, to such a degree he can't even age. it's not as simple as just wishing it away, he has to purge it, like with his needle.
That type of thinking is why he keeps failing. Gold doesn't conduct electricity, hint hint.
His isolation in theory and practice is why he has massive blind spots in his understanding. The innate purity of gold is why he can't understand the impure acceptance of death. He has conditioned himself not to accept such things, so he fails repeatedly.
I get it lad.
>demi-god of lightning murder death killed
>demi-god of gold wants to help but can't
>gold is highly conductive
Its a funny conundrum
The crucible is the superheated crater filled with the molten substance that was created when the golden star carrying the elden beast crashed into the planet. It was a literal crucible, not a metaphor.
>master's of headcanon
go figure
There are entire museums dedicated to the guy's life work. He was an avid publicist himself. His life is on display intentionally.
Nothing against Blake, I respect his work and will read it willingly. I will not, however, read some pseud's minor thesis on it, nor respect it. It doesn't need to exist. Just like with Elden Ring, if people want to engage with it conceptually, they can't do better than going straight to the source. Interpreting art yourself and engaging with it in a personal dialogue is what every artist wants, not for people to heap upon that interpretation the lens and interpretation of some artistically failed mediocrity, even if it is just an historical biography we're discussing.
t. somebody with a master's in technical art history
>t. somebody with a master's in technical art history
>translation: midwit pseud who will never contribute real art or art interpretation
>t. mediocrity who thinks he will in fact contribute
If you want to contribute, you can make art, oh wait, you can't, you're talentless
t. someone with a high paying job because of industry demand
That's really cool anon. You'll notice I didn't dump my thesis from when I was in my 20s here.
Enjoy making up things to be upset about bro.
>The Golden Order doesn't care about stars, so why the heck would the Elden Beast be a living galaxy?
Did you have a stroke or is this a chatbot post or what?
The Golden Order was focused on the Elden Ring and the Erdtree, whereas it was Liurnia that cared about the stars. The Elden Ring even seemed to negate the influence of the stars, hence why the Telescope's item description complains that the stars no longer have the same sway. If the Elden Beast was only a mirror of the Golden Order's accepted values, then the Elden Beast wouldn't be a chimera made out of space and stars.
kek what a lulzy post.
Sounds like you're seething and conceding.
The Greater Will probably isn't the sun, seeing as how Marika had to fight and defeat a place called the sun capital at the start of her reign (per the Sun Realm Shield's item description). The sun is likely a neutral party.
The Golden Order Fundamentalists are still the Golden Order, anon, that's why even Corhyn won't call the Golden Order Principia blasphemous despite disparaging even the Two Fingers Prayerbook. Law of Casuality and Law of Regression note that Marika created Radagon and that Radagon was reassimilated by Marika at some point. They're about how life developed and advanced after the Elden Ring's arrival on the planet, but still retained a connection in their origin.
>The Golden Order Fundamentalists are still the Golden Order
No they aren't. They are the extremist leftovers after the church has a purge. Erdtree to golden order to golden order fundamentalism. They aren't the same faith structure they are layers of extremists and only the most extreme and, well, fundamentalist are left.
What extremists? Marika herself founded the order and Melina directly quotes her doing so! Even the hyper-dogmatic Corhyn looks favorably on the Fundamentalism prayer book despite hating even the Two Fingers, emissaries of the Greater Will. In the context of Elden Ring, the "fundamentalists" are actually trying to research and discover the deeper underpinnings and roots of their own faith and how it works, rather than going to a simplistic and rigid interpretation.
The city on the shield isn't Leyndell though, and the skeletons who wield the shield and have sun designs on their capes share a gravestone design with the hero of Castle Morne, meaning that they're the hero's massacred clan. The Golden Order defeated the sun capital, the shield isn't talking about Marika's Leyndell.
The Elden Ring was being wielded by the god of Farum Azula in a time before the Erdtree had even grown, so the Elden Ring has never been usurping the sun.
>What extremists?
The golden order fundamentalists like Corhyn. The faith was closer to what Miriel practiced before.
They're not a new order, they're just very dogmatic members of the same order but in a side branch of study. Miriel is still a pastor within that same government and faith system, he hasn't been excommunicated.
How did Radagon usurp anything? He couldn't even beat Rennala in two wars, Miriel wonders why Radagon was selected to be Elden Lord when he was unqualified, and Marika even makes fun of him and says he's not a god. Marika fought and defeated the sun capital before Radagon was ever a thing to boot, and the sun isn't impotent either considering Miquella's attempted eclipse plan, both to try getting power from the sun and in that the sun held strong.
How about you listen to the actual dialogue Melina is quoting? Marika expresses and intent to search the depths of the Golden Order and find new meaning and better understanding so as to strengthen the faith with the divine. The term is inverted from its conventional usage to mean expanding, not regressing.
>How did Radagon usurp anything?
His character is based on Urizen, the Ancient of Days.
He usurped the sun by taking its position in reality. The sun is shining behind the tree you just can't see it because it blocks it.
You really are uneducated if this had to be explained to you, it is already explained above so you are showing you aren't actually reading the thread.
>you just can't see it because it blocks it.
You can see it from a lot of spots ingame.
Radagon's character is based on the alchemical rebis, and in particular the alchemy failed and he as a "red king" is hated by and mocked by his respective "white queen" Marika. The sun capital was defeated before Radagon was ever born, and Godfrey already took over the Lands Between for Marika before Radagon was Elden Lord. The sun is also visible all over the Lands Between's sky, and its light is still crucial, since Leyndell experiences night and the Black Knife Assassins needed a torch to navigate the city in the story trailer and the opening artwork.
Radagon didn't usurp shit.
The Elden Beast rode a golden star to the Lands Between before life existed there. Radagon was literally made by Marika from herself. Radagon is not the Elden Beast. Marika isn't even the first god with the Elden Ring, Placidusax's spouse is.
Siluria's Tree Spear says that the Crucible was a tree.
kek what an insane weirdo
Your lack of an argument, let alone an in-game source, indicates that you are conceding.
I've already said you mixed all 3 arguments up and don't know what people are talking about.
You still don't know anything I'm just laughing at your shitposting at this point.
You aren't the first person to roleplay while posting and look moronic.
You couldn't address a single thing you found wrong with the argument, you got hit with in-game citations and started pulling insults of your ass. Improve your reading comprehension, Elden Ring is not some esoteric mystery without clarity.
He's laughing at you lad. We all are.
You're just seething, you can't make a proper argument once faced with in-game evidence that debunks your blanket claim.
>The Elden Ring was being wielded by the god of Farum Azula in a time before the Erdtree had even grown, so the Elden Ring has never been usurping the sun.
Radagon is the one that usurped the sun. His character model even uses the square and compass angles like Urizen.
You don't have any knowledge base about anything dude.
How did you reply to 3 people and not understand anything any of them said?
Why even reply if you are that clueless?
You don't know what extremists are, you mistook the discussion about the shield, you thought people were talking about the ring and not radagon.
How did you get everything mixed up this bad? Are you just a chatbot?
She probably isn't a native english speaker its 2am in the US right now.
Sun Realm shield says the Seat of the Sun has faded away, that could mean a lot of things including Leyndell.
It's about how the ancient of days (radagon) has usurped the position of the sun. It's why the beast uses halcyon gold.
The light of the tree outshines the sun and is the source of light for the people now.
Be fast. His buffs happen when he bleeds too.
Elden beast is a celestial being. I'm pretty sure the GW is the sun.
There is nothing in the lore about the sun at all despite constant sun-like imagery with anything Golden Order related.
This guy look familiar?
>The image shows a bearded, white-haired man, kneeling in a red circle, surrounded by fiery light and clouds. He is reaching down into darkness, a pair of measuring compasses in his hand. The title comes from one of the names given to God in the Old Testament, but this is no straightforward image of the Creation or of a Christian God. This is Urizen, a God-like but flawed figure from Blake’s own complex philosophy.
>For Blake, Urizen was associated with reason and law: he created the universe but then ensnared it with laws that restrict the imagination. Here, Urizen is shown as a heroic figure, with the body of a classical god, his hair blowing dramatically to the side. Blake’s enthusiasm for Michelangelo is visible in the strong musculature and the dramatically foreshortened pose. But elsewhere, Urizen is represented as old and tired, poring over books or holding a net to enslave men with rational laws.
That's nice darling.
By the time the game starts the Golden Order has been pushed out by the Golden Order Fundamantalists that had regressed to the 2 laws as a reflection of the beast not accepting what it can't understand.
The elden beast sought to prove all reality was it's creation and kept failing and any time it came to a result showing it wasn't the base for reality it raged out and warped the thing into being a mockery of itself like the golden order greatsword.
But I did notice you waving your little master's degree around like it engenders your authority on ER lore
lol, pathetic really
They started doing this shit with dark souls 2, demon souls was pretty clear about everything and ds1 while vague about a lot of things was still and full story with most of its elements resolved during the game
Elden ring is the worst offender of the everything is left to interpretation meme, even the most basic elements of the plot are still being debated
Melina is still a huge fricking mystery. The rest of the lore is intentionally ambiguous, or shit that could go either way, or just doesn't matter, but her entire existence is fricking hidden.
>Melina is still a huge fricking mystery.
Gloam eyed queen. All her motives make sense once you've seen the frenzied flame ending.
She, Ranni, and Torrent are 3 emissaries of prior systems passing judgement on Marika's golden order.
Melina uses the miranda flower prayer, which comes from the maiden of the flower crucible.
This, it's really weird how people take pride in not being literate
>The actual lore is already fully understood.
I mean, it's literally dark souls again, it would help if they made a new game
fricking delusional
they intentionally leave so much ambiguous and unexplained, atleast partly because they retcon major story elements for pragmatic development reason up until really close to release
you are literally an autist to pretend everything is "fully understood"
Nope. You can keep repeating yourself I still understand the lore perfectly.
Who or what is Melina and what is Marika's intentions for her?
This a question you cannot answer without headcanon.
GEQ, and to lose.
Nope. The same way the elden beast was in the star and not real yet the 3 fingers wasn't real. It needed the kvetch of the merchants to be willed into existence the same way the beast needed Marika's desire for absolute control.
>GEQ
Yeah thats your fricking headcanon.
The Elden Beast is literally the template all other life forms on the planet are based on, including plants, and it arrived on a barren planet, judging from Hyetta's words about how the Greater Will creates life.
Other way around. The elden beast looks like it does because the prevailing ethos dictates that those qualities are desired so it has that shape.
The beast is the thing in the mirror, it isn't reality itself. It mirrors reality thinking reality springs from it but it is wrong. The whole game is about it being autistic and wrong.
the gloam eyed queen.
headcanon
GEQ
Wow she has a funky colored eye!
Nobody else in the story has funky eyes, oh wait, literally every other single character does.
Thats your headcanon.
>Who or what is Melina and what is Marika's intentions for her?
Game shows her as the GEQ, her intention was losing the war of the ring to Marika as the game states.
headcanon
She's the Gloam-Eyed Queen per the Frenzied Flame ending.
headcanon
Gloam eyed queen.
headcanon
Oh yeah? Why are there massive skulls in the sides of all the mountains
The land is angry. The same giant corpses line the gulf spanning the giant's kiln and it's chains.
The ones in Caelid are all pointing to the settlements on the landscape, they are seething. I've noclipped around looking from their POV.
What's the lore reason behind Sellen being so clingy
No it aint.
People STILL think the Erdtree is real (it's a hologram that only some tarnished/player can even see), it was burned down once before, and it's just a regrafted shoot grown onto a much, much larger world tree stump.
Marika is actually Miquella in a time jump, who birthed her self from the Erdtree as a reincarnation and fricked everything up. Melina, Millicent, Marika, Miquella, Melania, "Ranni" (Melina is actually her reincarnation, who is also Gloamed Eyed Queen, who was also the Snow Witch)
The entire lore is actually about Alabaster/Onyx elf lords who predated everyone, built the entire world with gravity magic, worshipped asteroids, built the towers that summoned an asteroid that destroyed the world tree, and subsequently were fricked off from existance and only re enter through fragmented portals scattered about.
The lore is basically that there is a finite amount of souls and they are distributed and reincarnated and over again, Marika is the daughter of her own child Miquella in a weird time loop.
Radagon and Messmer are the same entity but in different incarnations, Radagon doesn't even exist it's just Miquella "Marika" using illusory magic.
Anons understanding the game has made the sisterhood literally insane as a counter position.
Amazin'
Bruhhhhhhhh
>People STILL think the Erdtree is real (it's a hologram that only some tarnished/player can even see), it was burned down once before,
Only partially, and the flames died out anyways because Bernahl gave up.
[vaati seething noises]
It still blows my mind that someone can make a career out of regurgitating fanfiction in a whiny homosexual voice.
We truly live in the gayest timeline.
It's horrible because he unironically trusts english descriptions without referring to the jap text with a quality translator like most "serious" loregays do.
>t. EOP
I know 5 languages but not moonrunes.
Yes anon. That is what vaati is
It doesn't matter because he only does it for ad revenue and to sell his homosexual books.
The jap text is wildly mistranslated though. Only the source english the game was developed in is an accurate translation since the game was designed in english.
>Only the source english the game was developed in is an accurate translation since the game was designed in english.
Yes, because the Japanese devs who speak mediocre English sat down and wrote the script for the game in English rather than their native language. kek.
Although given GRRM wrote his background in English, we've already got the potential for translation issues to pop up before Miyazaki gets around to developing the plot.
The scripts are written in Japanese first, the audio is only ever recorded in English.
Activision messed up a lot in Sekiro's translation. There's even an interview where From Software wonders why Activision made the name "Lady Butterfly" when she's called "Phantom Butterfly" in the Japanese text.
the jap text is also completely misleading a lot of the time too
the whole lore sage thing is kind of a scam. It's best to just read it literally and then make up your own goddamn mind
>It still blows my mind that someone can make a career out of regurgitating fanfiction
dont forget it was Ganker fanfiction he is regurgitating, he literally browses here, takes notes then spews it back to israelitetube normies
Vidya lore has filled the void left by atheism where interest in actual history and religious lore used to be.
Bingo
Things become a lot cooler when you don't have the emotional baggage of believing it's real. Best talks about Christianity are by non-Christians.
Unfortunately most of those people engaging in debates about Christianity eventually turn to Christianity because they went too far into the deep end. Jordan Peterson a most obvious example of this phenomena.
Agreed for the most part. Unfortunately the emotional attachment has come along for the ride for a lot of depressed and aimless zoomers when it comes to vidya lore, regardless of whether or not they’re of sound enough mind to recognize it’s still ultimately all made up. Some of the “people” who emotionally attach themselves to games like Bloodborne are truly sad and often delusional.
>whiny homosexual voice
voicelet cope. he sounds really good and countless women are on record saying they'd frick him based on his voice alone.
>vaati seething
"Oh no, another 60 videos worth of lore dump and speculation content! Now I'll be able to pay off my mortgage, this sucks!"
Vaati is happy about the lore being undone, it means he gets to make lore videos for the expansion for the next 3 years until Dark Souls IV comes out.
Apophenia
>300x168
And it's beautiful, teaches them right
I never loregay unless a game is old and complete
You can loregay about anything if you are educated enough. Anons know the lore for ER inside and out.
>Anons know the lore for ER inside and out.
Okay, who's Melina and who's Renna? Thought so. There's no real answer but le theory.
Melina is the GEQ
Renna was the snow witch.
You learn both by playing elden ring.
>Melina is the GEQ
Not proven, false equivalence bait.
>Renna was the snow witch.
Not proven nor written anywhere, fan theory.
It's proven in one of the endings. It's fine if you skipped that ending most did.
Renna being the snow witch is confirmed already.
Its fine if you want to do this sister it is only you that is harmed engaging in this behavior.
>she has the death bird tattoo + gloam eye it must be her!
false equivalence bait until proven otherwise, cope
Yeah, the gloam-eyed character is most likely the gloam-eyed queen.
You off your copious medications?
You went from "is" to "most likely", see how this works?
He's probably doing it because you are known as a suicidal group.
She was confirmed to be GEQ on launch day.
>talking about yourself in third person
>"it was confirmed" but doesn't post proof
Who's the real delusional troony here?
>Who's the real delusional troony here?
You obviously. One of the endings confirms she is the gloam eyed queen. I won't spoil it for you you should experience it yourself so you get it.
>double down
I saw it, still not proof but forced deduction due to lack of real proof.
By the way, are you sure you know what "confirmation" means?
It's literally an in game source lol.
Stop replying to me and check on that gash where your dick used to be.
Which de facto says "Marika's daughter" but never says "Gloam Eyed Queen", C O P E.
You could use the fact that her body is scarred and burned as better proof that she's the REAL gloam-eyed queen, but projecting troony lorelets be lorelets.
Don't engage with her. She's being put thru a humiliation ritual.
>fear-samegayging this hard
Concession accepted.
???
cope
It thinks you are me
Holy cope, how can loregays even recover from this
Dilate.
Renna is just Ranni, multiple characters go by multiple identities in ER, so it's not that strange.
Melina has an M name which implies she is a child of Radagon and Marika, she also calls Marika her mother.
Lore gays never stop they relish the opportunity to speculate again, even though all the speculations just come to nothing anyway
OH NO
anyways
This DLC will shut up some of these anons that's all I know
the dlc will at best give a VERY small amount of answer that only end up making the lore even more vague
as is tradition
He's in
He's already shown in the trailer being impaler'd
Yeah that's still him.
Based. homosexuals like Zullie deserve the rope
I don't see how this will do anything other than give zullie more content
I doubt it. The main point of contention I see in lore threads is between people who are vaati Black folk who think the state of the world is cthulhu aliens fighting over the world and the more supported idea that the GW is the true god and the outer gods are earthly spirits mad that Marika made the Erdtree all that matters.
This will probably not reveal anything regarding the outer gods and probably just delve more into Marika stuff. If anything GEQ Melania gays are on the spot.
t. smoughtown
>BRO THE LORE IS SO DEEP! YOU GOTTA STUDY THE LORE BRO! HERES A PLAYLIST FROM BASED VAATI, KING OF SOULSBORNE KINO LORE! BRO HE ONCE MADE A 15 MIN VIDEO OFF ONE IMAGE!! THE MAD LAD!
kys loregays
It's pretty deep. It filtered a whole tier of uneducated person and made them feel insignificant when they realized how easy the lore was to get for others.
Idiots always lash out when they see someone else not struggling in life.
sorry bud, but my specific tessellation of head canon wins
only took you 2 tries to post in the right thread, well done
thanks bro its tiring work
Elden Ring's lore is way more coherent than Dark Souls, I don't know why morons still pretend it's impossible to understand.
They are dumb and try to bring everyone down to their level. Our ancestors knew to crucify them and let the ocean tide kill them.
it has the most straightforward story of any of their games, i don't understand why people even act like it's so LE COMPLEX
most of the stuff is really in your face in ER as long as you actually listen to NPC dialogue. The fact that a weird alien thing being the final boss surprised people baffled me, the finger c**t lady literally tells you what the greater will is
The second elden stars said it was a meteor I knew what was going on.
In what way does the finger crone tell you the true form of the Elden Ring is a cosmic hallucigenia with hands?
There are people that think the Golden Order was established by the GW, because the GW is controlling Marika and is an alien parasite siphoning off life from the world like The Tree of Strength from DBZ or that tree from naruto.
This is probably the most moronic thing I keep seeing in lore threads and I can only imagine what moronic loregay youtuber is spreading it.
>There are people that think the Golden Order was established by the GW
No there aren't.
This is correct. They've been designed like that since before Demon's Souls.
>This is correct. They've been designed like that since before Demon's Souls.
Yep. The English is always right. Friendly reminder that the Nameless King was exiled because he lost the Annals of History.
Agreed.
Incorrect. The nameless king was exiled because he was a race betraying dragon fricker.
He is making fun of the wonkey English translation. It should say the Nameless King was exiled and expunged from the annals of history.
From games gets some of the worst translators for their games, and it's mostly because of Namco and Sony. Sekiro was one of the best localized games, and that was because they had Activison money.
most people that play them are native english speakers and don't get caught up on the translations.
It only seems to be a roadblock for english second language types due to their poor grasp on the language.
Ok Jimmy, I'm pretty sure most translators know more and better English than you do
Even Sekiro has issues. Japanese is a context heavy language, so there's always going to be issues translating things when you're just being given lines of text on a spreadsheet divorced from any context. It's made worse by the fact that intentional write cryptically, and leave out information because Miyazaki likes to replicate that feeling of incomplete information he had when reading English rpg books as a kid. And it's main even worse when BAMCO hire translators that apparently think learning kanji is difficult.
The translations are serviceable if you just want to jump in and enjoy the story for what it is. If you want to be loretist and get hung up on arguing theories because of specific words in an item description, you're in for a bad time.
I can't wait for the Gloam-Eyed Queen to be another Velka situation.
>If you want to be loretist and get hung up on arguing theories because of specific words in an item description, you're in for a bad time.
No you aren't. I will agree that people that don't speak english fluently get caught up on it but only them.
>to be another Velka situation.
Rosaria and Filianore were both going to be Velka originally, before being changed into their final versions
And Solaire was originally the nameless king before dlc.
It's wild too because Solaire really was the nameless king lol. It shows how much they are willing to make stuff up.
no he wasn't, that's moronic
Andre was originally Gwyn's descendant, and maaaaaybe he was actually the missing son in DS1
but that got written out and left a mystery until DS3
Solaire was looking to found his own kingdom. Nameless king's only lore was being kicked out of the kingdom to roam without a kingdom.
They are all descended from a guy that harnessed sunlight to found a kingdom, Solaire dies saying he found his sun.
He really was the nameless king on launch.
Andre was the original Nameless King, Solaire being him was fan theory based on how from re-arranged the DaS setting and the shit he yammers on about.
Solaire being the sand worm on the other hand.
He was exiled. He abdicated. Exiles don't leave mementos on their father's tomb before being booted (by nobody with authority btw).
*wasn't exiled
>it has the most straightforward story of any of their games
Sekiro and most AC games (6 included) are way more straightforward.
The exact nature of Marika and Radagon's sameness (one that was split and recombined, always split, separate and then combined) is vague enough to leave room for interpretation. I like it, feels very Trinitarian vs non-Trinitarian which is appropriate given the themes and inspirations.
Because people cannot grasp the concept of a supreme god and lesser gods in the same setting all with different intentions.
It's why so many people think the GW and Marika are one and the same.
>It's why so many people think the GW and Marika are one and the same.
No one thinks this.
Hearing someone in game refer to the Golden Order as fundamentalists explains their entire history without having to look into it.
Its not? Specially since you won't do most quest as they suck and the game takes so much time to complete and has so little replay value that you won't play it more than 1 time.
The lore of these games is fake depth designed to make midwits feel superior to normalgays. Just capeshit of video games
and dark souls 3 is the peak of that
>midwits
Every single person who uses this term is projecting, without fail.
Nothing will ever come close to the epic reddit breaking that was the Ringed City. All those Furtive Pygmy theories, all flushed down the toilet along with Manus.
What were those theories?
basically anything to do with the furtive pygmy was thrown out when ds3 said that actually pygmies are a race of midgets and there's a bunch of them, instead of the furtive pygmy simply being the first human. Manus being the furtive pygmy was also a popular idea before ds3.
Personally I think the ringed city was an awful addition to dark souls lore, and only ds1 is canon.
The furtive pygmy is literally in the ringed city. It's still a character. They just made him, you know, furtive, and all the morons and midwits miss him.
The pygmy is bald, that guy has long flowing locks of white. They are not the same.
Midwit moron spotted.
I can see how people say that character is the furtive pygmy, but im don't believe it. the point of the furtive pygmy was supposed to be that; furtive and forgotten. I like the idea of the FP just not being in the game.
>pygmies
>race of midgets
They're canonically taller than the gods.
Nah, it'll just tack on some random made up bullshit like DS3 did.
I think it's really cool how events only seem to occur before and after the events in the game we play... Why even make an open "world" game if there's not even the slightest effort to render it with authenticity that aligns with the story or even make it an active part of an ongoing narrative?
This storytelling approach barely worked in Souls before, but now it's downright jarring. Even the "endings" are complete nothingburgers that don't have the courage to commit to telling you anything.
>It's so quirky and japanese!
>the normalgays wouldn't get it!
a match made in heaven for Ganker pseuds and contrarians.
The "freeze in time world" is one of froms bigguest flaw. In an open world is even more jarring to see entire kingdoms and gods, and npcs do absolutely nothing as they get decimated, existing only to wait for the player and get killed.
Fromsoft just can't get their traveling hunter enemies right. The Nights Calvary were another failed attempt at a roaming boss that was supposed to seek you out after pissing off Morgott, but they can't code.
Pursuer 1
Other Fromsoft games 0
I still don't even know what the difference between the Dark, the Deep and the Abyss was tbh
also I swear sometimes they use dark again except not as the same noun
Humanity was getting stagnant with the countless eras of the recycled fire. Over time human dregs began to pull the world down.
It's basically the abyss, but water themed and sinking the world.
>Over time human dregs began to pull the world down.
How the hell does that work? Its literal? Is people just more depressed? What does that mean?
From is too explicit with metaphors, like the two fingers for examen. They literally made a fricking character being 2/3 gigant fingers and call it a day. There is 0 subtlety.
There is no actual humanity obtainable in the game other than the implied humanity within Ringed city inhabitants. The only thing you can get your hands on are Human Dregs, which look like sad deflated blue tinged humanity.
The dregs are described as perpetually sinking down to the very bedrock of the world where they "stew" in stagnant water. This is why most of the dark sorceries in the game except pursuers is black and blue rather than the original black white hexes of DaS.
The Cathedral of the Deep was started by a cannibal, Alderich, who's tastes in human flesh apparently gave him visions of the "age of the deep". Humanity had dregs, thus he was performing something akin to the 4kings, except rather than become a dark shade he melted into black slime.
Humanity went from black shimmering "flame" to black, wet sludge and you can see it in things such as Pus of Man. The dark soul seemed to be rotting, sinking into an outer darkness.
Why is humanity doing this? Well DaS III alpha had a generic pro fire versus pro dark that became Angel Cult Versus the Deep. The Angel cult seems to be the reason Lothric rose on a high wall and the angels are mutating people into butterflies or trees so it seems the general theme is Light is going up, Dark is going down, until everything is grey at the end of time.
>Why is humanity doing this? Well DaS III alpha had a generic pro fire versus pro dark that became Angel Cult Versus the Deep. The Angel cult seems to be the reason Lothric rose on a high wall and the angels are mutating people into butterflies or trees so it seems the general theme is Light is going up, Dark is going down, until everything is grey at the end of time.
This is what kills me, all from games are good until they cut the point of it for who knows why reason. Then it becames a "puzzle" or a "mystery" for fans to put together. Nothing kills me more than Bloodborne on this end, they made the story literally all theory because they moved so much everything that now it just doesn't make sense, and people have to go out of the limits of language to put a little sense into it.
ER is the same but 5 times worst as it has 5 times more development time.
At least in DaS III's case, shit was developed in a very winging it sort of way. There was nothing super special or particular that was muddled in the development.
You can see that they were bouncing off basic ideas like "Well what if the age of dark ending and age of fire ending people fought" and built on it from there.
What I see based on what was cut and what it was replaced with, the Usurp the flame ending was the original bad ending with the last boss being a tyrant who wishes to keep the world in a perpetual decaying twilight between light and dark. It's a very basic sequel to DaS.
They cut shit and moved shit around, ideas from the previous build were used but emphasis changed. Game had the Eclipse King but he did not overshadow ending which fixated on simply repeating the task of the first game, this time fighting all past CU and Gwyn in one soul chimera. The DLC then pretty much cemented the last minute changes by doing thing like adding the rapturing angels, the murk men, showing you what they were going for with the state of the world with the Dreg Heaps.
What I'm saying is, it wasn't like DaS III had a completely fleshed out story and then stuff was lost, not to the same degree as Elden Ring at least.
Hopefully SotET "cements" whatever last minute changes they made in moving stuff around in Elden Ring into something more concise. I'm not expecting direct answers from From on anything though.
>I'm not expecting direct answers from From on anything though.
We've only ever been given direct answers up to now so that seems strange.
In the case of DS3 I agree, tho I would love to see some of the things you mention more fleshed out in the end game. In my opinion the final boss of the game was pretty disappointing, specially with the build, I expected something a little more special.
Hope they really ground things with the dlc
So it's all just the Dark again at different layers, except loser NEETs were layering on top of each other so much that they started making a new Deep section below the Abyss? I guess that's why the enemies in DS3 that transformed into that form like Ludex Gundry did happen, it's like people goo.
Pus of Man is a normal abyss monster. Basically a shitter version of Manus.
The dark is a force opposite to light, it makes up the souls of humanity the same way the light makes up the souls that originate from gwyn (which are generally described as generic "souls"). When the first flame is strong, the force of light is strong, and as the first flame gets weak, the force of dark gets strong. If the first flame goes out, the power of souls of light would be gone, and the souls of dark would be incredibly powerful.
The abyss is what happens when too much humanity gathers in one place, and becomes too powerful with dark. It causes the dark to spread more and more, further empowering the souls of humanity. At a certain point the human body can't contain the power of dark, and the human form is twisted into monsters like in oolacile, with manus being an example of an ancient human with a powerful soul, who probably absorbed more dark than anyone else. It's similar to how in bloodborne, those who take in the most blood turn into the greatest beasts.
The deep is never really discussed in detail because ds3 is a mess.
The deep was the most interesting (maybe only interesting) thing introduced in DS3 and as far as I can tell it went nowhere.
One of the few things that I find 2spooky4me in FromSoft games.
>It went nowhere
What do you mean? They added the Murkmen in the dlc to make you go "oh ok that's what is going on".
I had Soulsborne fatigue by the time I played the DLC so was kind of switched off and just wanted to get it finished. What were the murkmen about?
In the Ringed City DLC you are whisked into the a time dilation area that is next to the Kiln of the First Flame.
It's called the Dreg Heaps, a pit containing ruins from across former Lordran where you encounter all sorts of shit including a few notable structures from DaS II of all things.
While there you encounter Angels, entities that attack with divine bolts of white light and are spiritually attached to a Pilgrim that is metamorphosing into something (Possibly an angel, or a butterfly). They fade when the pilgrim chrysalis are killed.
As you move down the Dreg Heap Murkmen teleport in. These are blue abyss based hollow/abyss creatures that came from the Deep and attack with deep dreg spells or murky scythes.
Basically the DLC is showing you some sort of unusual segregation of light and dark at the very end of time. The angels patrol the top of the heap and Murkmen increase in numbers the further down you go.
The Dreg Heap is the destination of lands taken by the Abyss and swallowed into the darkness. The fallen bits of the world at the very roots of the Archtrees, returning to their origin beyond in the eternal bright void.
Remember that corrupting flame? Yeah, From forgot about it along with the Deep the moment you killed the dastardly duo at Anor Londo.
It's all the same thing. Like in elden ring, all the ayys are representative of a different aspect of madness turned pathology. They are all the same madness at the end of the day. Accepting and living in reality as the lot you were dealt is the only way to stay sane.
i just like to wear the armor and swing the swords
That's good, because that is what all the From MCs are supposed to do. Some undead moron wouldn't care why the world is going through a apocalypse.
Then why do the most difficult shit no one else could? Idk man, looks pretty moronic to me. Its supposed to e a game, demon knew it pretty well, but after years it became this abomination of moronic item descriptions with flags making 3h YouTube videos about them.
I could never bring myself to care about ER lore. It all just feels bland and pointless like it was injected in out of obligation. Soulless and bad.
From has the tendency of making a bunch of set pieces and story elements, run out of time, and then forced to stitch said set pieces together and make some frankenstein game with a story that is half cooked.
If the lore contradicts that fraud vati I will cry.
Are people finally going to admit that miquella is a villainous cult-leader and not fricking jesus? The primordial erdtree is literally a sundew, it ate people.
Leaker here, just wanted to post the final boss of the game click at your own risk
Reminder that this thing is what miquella is going to look like
That's clearly the rot god.
>rot god
anon, it's clearly a sundew-themed being
more likely it was just a concept that didn't get very far. It's very blatantly based on elden ring's deity concepts when it comes to the weird plant/ocean hyrids.
like 4 people know what sundew looks like
Why would it be Miquella then, and not something tied to Godwyn/those who live in death? Considering they're the ones who have the water aesthetic.
because the true nature of life that has been obfuscated by the golden order includes death. the cycle of life and death. the secret of true gold and thus life that miquella understood was death. the promise that he offers to his followers is death. He is a god of death.
when the game talks about shit like "the essence of life", "close to life itself", "the true nature of life", etc. it is referring to death.
Miquella never found the truth though. That's why the best he offers is soma in haligtree.
Kingmaking. They are the kingmaker like how druids are. Kaathe and Frampt did it in dark souls.
It is also depicted as a poisonous stinger. None of the outer gods are representative of flowers that anon is having a laugh.
he failed to bring forth death, but he absolutely knew what he was looking for. he is stated in the game as being the only one who knew the true nature of gold. he knew what he was doing.
>but he absolutely knew what he was looking for.
The eclipse failing shows he doesn't actually know what he's doing.
They need to accept death, that's literally all they have to do to make the curse go away. They won't accept it, they keep trying to force a change in reality instead of accepting it.
Miquella made the sword to "kill" death from within Godwyn, not accept the death itself.
I was gonna go into a long diatribe about miquella's failures but I came to a bit of an epiphany about what he ended up doing. I think miquella's state mirroring godwyn's isn't just coincidence, I think he took full advantage of the situation to make lemonade from his lemons, whether he was involved in godwyn's death plot or not.
he killed his soul to become a god, essentially copying the way godwyn became a god of death. it even explains why he's been hoarding followers who end up in death states and cocoons, as the acquisition of souls to fill the hollow vessel is how a soul-dead god is reborn from death.
The Rot God is a flower though
Not according to the rot dagger.
>It's a scorpion tail therefore the rot god is a scorpion
Scarlet Rot produces shrimp people too. Just saying its power is always depicted as a spectral flower.
all of the gods are types of plants anon. the rot god is a flower, the death god is a rotting trunk/root, the primordial crucible/erdtree was a sundew
nope.
what about the greater will?
greater will is a concept, not an entity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will-o%27-the-wisp
then explain how the elden beast is an envoy of the greater will
the greater will is ITS greater will, the beast is the one imposing its foolish dreams onto reality and fricking everything up.
I thought the Rot God was a scorpion
The Scorpion Dagger came from a scorpion, that doesn't mean the Rot God is a Scorpion.
It heavily implies it. The flower stuff reads like some discord chicanery.
Using the same logic the Rot God is also an ant because the Antspur Rapier comes from a giant ant stinger.
Bugs seem to be associated with the realm of rot. However, the Scarlet Flower is a re-occuring thing with the power of the rot. Melania is a butterfly woman, I doubt the Scarlet Rot is actually a butterfly god.
Scarlet Rot is based on the Sea of Corruption of Nausica, which is a bio-engineered pollution scrubbing biome of fungus and plants maintained by giant bio-engineered insects.
Malenia Goddess of Rot is an butterfly, a known pollinator. She's an insect taking care of a flower, the source of the rot.
>Using the same logic the Rot God is also an ant because the Antspur Rapier comes from a giant ant stinger.
That works too!
Flowers don't though.
nah, that was just a training model made for practice
legit, they didn't even try to hide the file/project name, while they hid it for the Sekiro models they showed off
>Miquella, the cute trap, is going to turn into the sex monster from Evolved
BONER NO
that looks kino
It's Miranda.
You sure it isn't Lily or Rose or Violet or Daisy?
There are multiple "boss" fights with flowers named Miranda, but the cut tool refers to the first priestess of the flower crucible. That's probably the man eating flower's namesake.
The Shadow Lands are going to be another Painting World from Dark Souls. A bunch of shit that was considered unwanted in the world and shoved into some prison.
But in actuality, it's just a lot unfinished content From was unable to put in the base game, and refurbished for the DLC.
it is merely a cycle. stand before the elden ring. become the elden lord.
thats all you need to know.
What it was? Witcher, Elden Ring, Zelda. Something happened that discredited a big lore video.
TotK absolutely murdered the Zelda lore videos like a animal butcher, Witcher ended with the MC getting killed by some angry, disease ridden farmers, and Elden Ring has just super charged the lore scalpers who steal from Ganker and Reddit.
At the highest level anyone intelligent knows that there is no lore and fromsoft makes it up as they go.
how else would they "make it up"?
dummy
Before making the game? Like in pre production maybe?
it's all made up
>t.endie seething
we're not talking about Tears of Cringedom, babby
I really don't like this guy. he looks way too anime even compared to some of from's previously "too anime" characters.
I still don't understand shit about elden ring lore nor do I want to
In dark souls and bloodborne you understood the basic plot and themes of the game and what you were set to do just by playing the game, item descriptions were just a bonus if you wanted to go deeper
In elden ring they just tell you over and over to brand the elden ring and become the elden lord, whatever the frick does that mean
Why would I want that? Why should I care ?
If you have to read shitty item descriptions ir watch gay youtuber to understand the basic premise of your story then your storytelling is shit
Hopefully it will answer every Marika question, because she really just leaves everyone guessing.
Why did she do it?
She is a woman, maybe. The jury is still out on that one.
Because literally everyone with any semblance of power in her world is a complete selfish butthole.
Elden Ring's story is even worse than Dark Souls 3's
Why? ER is its own thing, while DS3 just shat on the easy to understand story of DS1, and added a bunch of cancer and fake nostalgia to it.
There is a 100% chance we will eventually fight Godwyn.
There is a 100% chance of anything eventually happening.
He is definitely going to be the secret boss fight of the dlc. Basically Vicar Laurence but actually with more effort put in.
Seeing how this DLC isn't time travel, we would be fighting the Death Prince, rather than the Golden Boy.
I'm still convinced that the second tree has something to do with Godwyn and the reason Miquella went to this shadow land.
the DLC trailer refers to miquella with fear every time it brings him up yet you still think he's a good guy.
Don't you have any imagination, you stupid berserkgay? He can be both good and evil, love his older brother and at the same time looking for very odd ways to put him out of his misery using people.
Even ignoring the DLC, the base game has the St Irina/Johan from Monster stuff going on. That little minx is a damn brat.
I saw Blaidd and Malekith in the other one, but who are those hands on Malenia's throne supposed to belong to?
Mine. Coming to steal away my shota bride, Miquella.
The M brat that is supposed to represent the burning butterfly. It's either Melina(old theory), or Messmer(new popular theory).
You know, I am still unconvinced that the smoldering butterfly alludes to Messmer. Nothing about him paints him as a sacrificial lamb but Melina was always destined to burn herself like kindling to make way for the Tarnished one.
i've been saying i'll be disappointed if we don't get a Prince of Death boss fight in the dlc since I first stumbled on Godwyn's corpse.
Seems like a massive missed opportunity with such a great character model.
They can't do anything that impacts the Prince of death storyline already existing within the base game. What they can do however is that you fight Godwyn's soul that is being tortured in the depths of the lands fo shadows for whatever reason.
I was left wondering if Morgott and Mohg were just begrudgingly accepted by Marika as they grew up and eventually came out of the sewers to live a semi-normal life as nobility, it's really unclear because Godfrey seemed to have a good relationship with Morgott and Mohg obviously must have met Miquella at one point in normal cirmsc**tances to get his plans going. I've seen people talk about Morgott as if he was living in the underground until the shattering happened but it makes no sense given what we know of them.
Morgott led a bunch of the GO as a loyal dog, Mogh didn't.
Mohg fricked off after a while but it must have been amicable, he had an illusion of himself set up to guard the three fingers after all.
The illusion worked because literally no one went down there to check on the omens. It was a shunning ground because they were shunned.
1) favored son, led the conquest of the dragons recently in marika's stead
2) assassins doing wetwork
3) they aren't. He led the dragon conquests and was a crucible enjoyer. He was apex form for a human.
>assassins doing wetwork
This is such a cop-out answer
No it isn't. They are a literal band of assassins from the nox people.
Their armor is the nox armor anon. Look under the nox skirt, they use the same armor as black knives. Your theory is bad because you assume the black knives were loyal to marika when they appear to be a remnant of the people that hate Marika specifically.
They dont hate marika they hate the golden order, which marika also hates.
The black knives very much hate Marika. The nox in general have decided to wait out the golden order as evidenced by the carian stance.
The black knives and ranni didn't want to wait or thought waiting was a loser's game so they struck at the heart of the matter.
>Their armor is the nox armor anon. Look under the nox skirt, they use the same armor as black knives.
The people with insane theories don't actually play the games.
The nox have reasons for hating Marika specifically, assassins of their people end up killing the golden son. They chose to attack Marika to attack the golden order, not the other way around.
You people lack basic comprehension skills.
$40 for a troony character that the majority of the fan base will wish that he is dead instead of expanding on Melina's story.
So there's some God from outer space that need a weird earthworm to become a ring that become a tree that need a queen that need a husband but not really because she can become the husband to conquer some small island in the middle of nowhere and the queen fricked it up by giving the power of death to her cat who got it stolen by a sex doll that use it to kill the queen's son for some reason so she broke the ring but it might have been part of her plan to make you the troonyshed repair the ring and become her new husband and it makes the earthworm angry for some reason so you have to kill it
Did I get that right?
Elden Ring has lore? I don't remember any cutscenes.
>Solves everything without resorting to violence, familicide, or getting eaten by a giant god-eating snake
Heh, nothing personnel demigods.
goldmask is one of the few tarnished who sees the guidance of grace, yet he looks undead, why
People can't die in the lands between, but ever since the shattering they're not getting their erdtree burials anymore. So they end just becoming desiccated corpse people (distinct from the actual undead)
only the most powerful and distinguished people got erdtree burials. the parallel with the snake is intentional.
>the parallel with the snake is intentional.
The same parallel existed in the twinbird of death era. Everyone was burned so they would be truly dead, but only honored warriors passed beneath the Helphen Steeple (which is going to show up in the dlc).
>which is going to show up in the dlc
Twinbird era is what GEQ reigned over and she lost to Marika. The dlc takes place in the place marika got her power.
That land still practicing a pre-Golden Order faith is possible.
>we're going to meet Velka guys
Don't get your hopes up.
Sounds more like you want to dash hopes out of others.
It truly is a mental and spiritual illness.
I mean I enjoy laughing at people's sureties. But one need only look at the Dark Souls DLC to see that From are more than happy to ignore base game cliffhangers and make up brand new stuff for the DLC.
You having a sickness of the soul is your own problem anon I can't cure you or absolve you of your ills. I can only pity you. Or not.
The voice over in the trailer straight up says they were the losers in a war anon. It's the people that lost when Marika won.
The people that lost were followers of the twinbird of death following the gloam eyed queen.
That specific voice over also happens when the wickerman is shown. In an interview, Miyazakk says that the kindling inside it are the bodies of the prisoners of war who lost against Marika
He died because he is one of those weirdoes that think taking anything within themselves can reduce their ability to channel their spiritual abilities.
He starved to death, so when he got brought to life, he looks like a hollowed out corpse.
He's an alabaster/onyx lord. His proportions aren't human like, they are the same as the alabaster/onyx lord people.
Goldmask is just an eccentric workaholic, that's why he's so thin. He basically doesn't eat or drink.
BEHOLD
THE UNBRIDLED POWER OF A MATHEMATICS DEGREE
>The night of the black knives never happen
>Ranni becomes the new Goddess with Godwyn as her Lord Consort
>Golden age ensues
If only
Ranni would probably frick it up even more than Marika. And create an immigration problem on top.
It would be hilarious if the reason Ranni killed Godwyn was because she didn't want to marry with the merman weirdo.
I have strong feeling Godwyn was Miquella's Promised Lord/consort, that's why he was so adamant in bringing Godwyn back to life or giving him a proper death. If Miquella wanted to make his own pure version of the Golden Order, he needed a Lord of the Halightree, and aside from Malenia and the needle, Godwyn was the one Miquella was trying everything he could to bring back.
Miquella leaving his body behind and wandering as a soul to search for Godwyn's is another attempt in the list.
kek you pedarasts are something else.
He was so bent on fixing him because Miquella always tried to fix things to be of some help to someone.
>Miquella always tried to fix things to be of some help to someone.
Not to the extent he would go for Malenia or Godwyn. Miquella is the type that if he can't find a cure, he finds solace to the person's problem, but he doesn't give up on finding a way to bring Godwyn back.
Also, Miquella was trying to fix his body to finally achieve adulthood.
But mostly importantly, I'm not talking in a romantic way and more like a necessary piece to achieve a greatest goal, he was using the base of Marika's GO and Godwyn fitted perfectly the role of Lord of the Halightree.
>Not to the extent he would go for Malenia or Godwyn.
Yes to that extent. Albinaurics are being hunted because he told them to follow Loretta on a pilgrimage to the Haligtree. As a result Gideon is hunting and exterminating the albinaurics.
Miquella's selflessness is for all people. That is part of his curse. He wants to help all, can't help any.
Why he didn't sent caravans to scort the albinaurics who were suffering, those who couldn't even walk anymore or didn't had wolfs to carry them? Why he didn't gave them both key pieces? For the albinaurics he only gave hope, nothing more.
reminder that the nascent butterfly is the golden butterfly associated with miquella and by extension the greater will and the elden beast. The elden beast's general look and translucency is due to it being in a permanent larval state, never capable of becoming a true god. neither it or miquella can age as they are beings of order, and cannot change.
the butterfly's additional association with death and corpses is just an aspect of the great secret of gold that the church keeps hidden from everyone.
The Elden Beast is translucent because it's a literal galaxy creature, and it was badly injured fighting Marika, hence why it also has that massive scar/wound on it.
The wound is probably caused by it impaling Marika since they're bonded. Another thing I noticed, the spear implaing Marika is Red-Gold, which is associated with Radagon and the Crucible.
Radagon only has his hammer hand when he is tranfigured into the sword too, his other hand is broken off.
To the beast he is only that hand to swing the hammer the other hand doesn't matter.
Why would it only take mirrored damage from the spear but not every other bit of thorough devastation it inflicted on Marika? As for the spear's color, that's one of the Elden Beast's normal spears combined with Radagon, hence why it's red. The spear also disappears when Radagon manifests. Additionally, Radagon has zero fire resistance, so his red hair is probably a curse, not the Crucible.
The Golden Order doesn't care about stars, so why the heck would the Elden Beast be a living galaxy? There's no basis for such a thing. The Elden Beast existing as a template chimera also contrasts the Golden Order's popular notion that Misbegotten and other chimeras are shameful, lowly beings who have long since been shunned and enslaved.
I'm saying the Elden Beasts spears are red gold because Radagon is its weapon.
Radagon has ensared Marika, his and the Elden Beast's will might as well be one.
the DLC is going to be miquella succeeding in his eclipse ritual. the DLC is going to end in pic related. the crescent on the top is the moon, with the gold being its dew spilling forth.
he is summoning another beast.
Pic related already happened anon. That top portion is Marika on her cross.
Wish this DLC could give us something to change the base game. I would like to get another ending at least.
Miyazaki specifically said no new endings but he didn't say whether or not there are any changes in the base game so here's hoping.
What would Miquella's goal be realistically? From what we can tell his ultimate goal is to ensure Malenia can live without her illments and to grant Godwyn a true death, but if they're truly attempting to build him up as some sort of final villain of the DLC how will they go about it?
The anons explaining it are on the money. Death is the answer. Everything points to the missing piece being death and accepting it's use or place in the world.
listen to https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=94
that is literally miquella shit-talking the player. he doesn't think we're worthy. he calls the player a "thing", that is how low he sees us.
the "love" and mercy he grants his followers is mere manipulation, he is a beguiler. he is like all the other gods, he does not understand his mother's will, and is trying to recreate the golden age she herself plotted to destroy.
That's mesmer talking. Like why do this?
>the voice over being over a certain character's scene means it is that character talking.
the flaming spear man is vespa anon.
>The boy cursed with eternal youth has the voice an adult man
Realize how moronic you sound?
that's the voice of a 14-16 year old anon, no adult man
Still too old for Mohg.
Miquella's voice is the female VA at the end of the trailer.
The guy with the spear is Mesmer the Impaler, thats him speaking.
He's passing judgement on you as elden lord since he's outside the realms and is just finding out you took the throne.
Ganker can recognize the miquella is femto anon.
homie thing isn't even used.
Miquella's goal was always to achieve Unalloyed Gold, a new form of Golden Order that would severely alter how Marika's world functions.
His notion points to wanting to stop time and have reality in a solid state affair of unchanging non-influence. Unalloyed means non-mixed. The GO was already teetering on autistic textbook closed off mindsets, going further would have to either stop the passage of time or do what Isamu was trying to do in SMT3 and make an infinite series of non-interactable minirealities.
miquella doesn't like the static nature of order anon, he even went so far as to present his alter-ego as an adult, something he is physically capable of doing as aging is an aspect of chaos.
protip: the game is about the universe itself feating death, which is why the competing aspects are order vs chaos, aka entropy.
>miquella doesn't like the static nature of order anon
Yes he does. His solution is to put you to sleep so you can't worry about it. If he had his way he'd put everyone to sleep forever.
Sounds like death doesn't it?
Sleep is first death.
Sleep is the little death - Buddha
Sleep is the brother of death - Muhammed
Hypnos, the god of sleep, was Death's brother.
From Hamlet:
"to die; to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to. ’Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish’d. To die; to sleep; —
To sleep? Perchance to dream! Ay, there ’s the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffl’d off this mortal coil."
you kinda get it anon, what he knew as the true nature of gold, that the golden order had things backwards in their lust for life. life is chaos. life is change. true gold does not fear death, because death is the true nature of order and thus the true nature of gold.
the irony of the greater will and the elden beast, and the golden order in general, is that they feared what they most embodied. living embodiments of denial.
when miquella wished for true death for godwyn he was wishing for true gold, true order.
He failed because he did it for the golden order and not for godwyn.
>the irony of the greater will and the elden beast, and the golden order in general, is that they feared what they most embodied.
The GO banned the image of the erdtree aflame after the candletree iconography happened. Then the tree later burned.
morons. Miquella's voice is the one who says "touch the withered arm, and venture into the lands of shadow. I shall not be far behind. We shall meet again soon". It's either him or him under his St. Trina persona since it's clearly a female voice.
I do not care about the lore of Elden Ring
It is genuinely hilarious how many psueds attach themselves to Souls lore when it's just meant to be taken and discussed casually.
>I connected the dots that this particular piece of lore was inspired by religion and philosophy!!! Please notice how smart I am!!!
Neither did the writers. Half of it is unfinished and was changed at the last moment.
To me lore is an extension of certain belief systems, philosophies and religious views already existing within our own world. It's only through fiction that these ideas can be explored to their extremes.
the three fingers is one of the major secrets being hidden by the golden order, isn't it. it's the big black eye/circle on the crucible armor, isn't it. that's why vespa, a follower of light, uses so much flame.
The order of the 2 fingers and the chaos of the 3 fingers are supposed to be conjoined so a balance can be achieved.
Rampancy is happening in the void of the balance.
I took this yesterday playing. Placidusax's 3 missing heads (no head, no logic) are hugging around the remaining 2 heads in the 2 fingers communion pose.
It's like Goldmask's mask - an image of the tree from above. The crucible armor is about the roots instead of the tree canopy. The black center is where the trunk of the tree would be.
Sure.
Why is the greater will in power? I didn't vote for him.
It will always be in power because it is an explanation after the fact. Anything could happen and the after the fact explanation is it is the Greater Will.
It doesn't exist.
So what you're saying is he stole the election and will win no matter what.
Because he made you, starBlack person lover.
For me? It's Bernahl being Rennala and Radagon's 4th child.
Aren't there like 12 or something Carian princesses? And Ranni being the last? What happened?
The world went to shit, and now Liurnia is being ruled over by a bunch of murderous, rapist mercenaries with some magic trinkets.
They probably didn't last too long.
So did Radagon and Marika use to have 2 separate bodies that merged together or what?
Nope.
No.
Radagon came to these lands at the head of a great golden host.
The elden beast came to these lands at the head of a great golden host.
Marika created the Golden Order by sealing destined Death and probably a few minor adjustments to the Elden ring (A lot of runes are missing from the Faram days).
When Marika began to reject the ring and plot against the GW, Radagon was "born" within her.
I think the idea of him was always there. He is the qualities she needs when ruling and her actual emotions are something she has to stow away to live as a leader.
The influence of the beast made it something mirroring her but not her while originating from her. It eventually got the upper hand on her and began acting against her.
It's like the taxi driver scene with "you talkin' to me?" but the reflection answers "yes."
What Radagon IS was always within Marika.
Ever hear of a band called 21 pilots?
>Fight it, take the pain, ignite it
>Tie a noose around your mind, loose enough to breathe fine and tie it
>To a tree, tell it, "You belong to me
>This ain't a noose, this is a leash
>And I have news for you, you must obey me"
I mean yeah the other concept was that he was born the moment she became goddess as a part of the whole duality shit. Marika being Regression (conjoining all things) and Radagon being causality, or something.
Your idea isnt bad but there's dialogue in tha game that, couple with cut content, heavily implies that the elden beast/radagon is a shape-shifting parasite.
One [lore youtuber] said that Marika proposed to absorb a champion but Godfrey valued freedom or something, while Radagon thirsted for power and accepted. I don't buy that theory simply because if Radagon was his own person then his and Marika's children wouldn't have come out moronic.
This is wrong.
This is correct.
The elden beast is a silver tear-esque larval being that manipulated marika inpursuit of its own goals, yes. It is basically an amber tear and what the nox were trying to recreate.
so is miquella a girl or a boy?
girl (male)
He is a boy according to Malenia, his own sister, but he might be also like Marika and be both. The female side being St. Trina.
Does it matter? Cute+pretty+young
He's the host of gold. Gold is a dualistic force. Thus he is a troony.
Boy.
a boy who became a man after being fondled and groped repeateadly
I like this theory a lot. Godwyn was always supposed to die due to being targeted by the God of deathblight, however Ranni sabotaged the ritual in order to kill her own body along with Godwyn's soul. Imagine if the two fingers convinced Marika that performing this ritual would allow Godwyn to reincarnate in a healthy body but instead it left him an immortal husk of his former self, it could very well explain Marika's descent itno madness which led to the shattering of the ring.
It would explain why the black knives assassins were involved and why Godwyn seemingly went along with his assination.
That doesn't explain why the fingers would allow death to be reintroduced to the erdtree should the ritual have succeeded
It wouldn't have be reintroduced since they only used a fragment of the rune of death. If anything Marika was willing to make an exception in order to free her beloved son from his curse only for it to backfire immensely.
It's a bad theory.
Care to elaborate why? Do so while explaining the following points:
1) Why was Godwyn targeted specifically?
2) Why were the black knives involved even though they're entirely devoted to Marika?
3) Why are Godwyn's legs always obscured even before turning into the merman atrocity he is today?
Marika and Godfrey were in cahoots, the shattering was supposed to be an excuse to get them back together until your character fricked it up, kek.
Godfrey is a fun fight but it has possibly the most nonsensical setup in any fromsoft game
>gets announced as an important tarnished returning to the lands between in the intro
>fricks for the entire game doing absolutely nothing to achieve that goal
>appears right at the end after (You)'ve done all the handiwork trying to camp your prize
>said prize is right fricking in front of him, he could just run for it after killing you and instead waits there for you to revive and fight him again like a moron
Last point is kind of nitpicky, I know that "canonically" you beat him on your first go, but if you're going to try to justify the player character respawning in universe at least don't create obviously contrived situations like that
He was always the ace in the hole for marika, but he still has to defeat you to be worthy of claiming the ring since you have x shards on you.
>expect your beast of a warrior husband to come and help you
>in walks scrimblo bimblo and kills the elden beast
WELL
>hey you frickers, this is Chad and I hate every single one of you
No one ever asks who the b***h on his arm is in that memepasta. Now we know.
Former christians are the best. they can speak from the impassioned position of faith and then pull it back to be rational.
Interestingly enough he used to be the first NPC you meet in the game's earlier stages, serving as the leader of the tarnished.
They removed him cause the VA sucked dick
>said prize is right fricking in front of him, he could just run for it after killing you and instead waits there for you to revive and fight him again like a moron
His intro cutscene shows the guidance of grace aiming him towards the player. Marika wants him to try to kill you.
Gee too bad she's trying to get him to kill AN IMMORTAL RUNE ZOMBIE
You can't blame a homie for being late to the party. If Godfrey was out there first every Shardbearer would be dead by the time you got there.
Nah, the 2 Greater Runes you need is only to enter Leyndell and you don't need any mending runes to get Age of Fracture. The entire game would have been avoided because Daddy Godfrey returning would have made Morgott standdown. The only explanation is that he choose not come back willingly or at the last minute or RNG cursed him to come back at the last minute.
The cut line where he was looking forward to reuniting with Marika and the reason why it is cut is probably because he doesn't want to be Elden Lord again but that's just my speculation.
He still has to fight as. The part marika was right about is might makes right.
Marika is just schizophrenic in the true sense. Before Radagon existed the GEQ was there to temper her into something reasonable. The GEQ is in game giving us in depth knowledge only Marika knew. She was what Radagon initially was but "lost" the war with Marika. Melina understood what she was, Radagon thinks he is the prime intellect.
Wonder if Godfrey or Gideon could have taken the throne if we didn't show up. They'd have to beat Radagon and The Elden Beast to do it
Lets just all accept that godwyn was destined to die and that fate was broken by ranni's plot.
This. He was supposed to become Jesus but ended up becoming Baldur instead.
The tree just wanted to eat him to gain a frickton of power, and it ended up poisoned which was the best outcome. For all we know marika shattered the elden ring because it tried to eat a god, not because of ranni's scheme.
Ranni and Miquella are in cahoots. Both if them killed their own bodies to achieve an immortal spirit form and have been aiding the player since the beginning. Melina is also likely to be part of their gang seeing as she too has a noncorporeal form who follows the player around. Their alliance can be proven through the existence of Torrent.
>Melina's part = Serving as kindling to burn the tree
>Ranni's part = Destroying the Golden order which subjects the lands between to the will of the stars above
>Miquella's part = Destroying the greater will?
Miquella's thing is death. He understands more than anyone that death is the truest and most unchanging order
If we are going into the shadow lands, the place where Marika become a goddess, then Miquella is likely trying to reverse the entire situation that started the entire thing and ks trying to return power back to the Crucible.
>all our romantic partners are spooky ghosts without a real meaty body
Our poor Tarnished can't get laid
I don't know what the frick you're talking about when Godwyn was killed by Ranni because she didn't want to become a pawn, she tells you:
"I stole the Rune of Death, slew mine own Empyrean flesh, casting it away.
I would not be controlled by that thing."
Controlled by that thing having a double meaning, the thing pulling the strings and her body being just a birthing vessel. So Ranni forged the knives and sent the assassins, one way or another, no matter their allegiance to Marika.
Wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that Godwyn was supposed to be ceremoniously killed which Ranni used to her advantage to kill her body whillst sparing her soul?
No, first of all because Godwyn was immortal, and second if Godwyn was supposed to die then she would have no reason to steal the rune of death to forge the knives.
Godwyn was supposed to die because like all the other children of Marika he was afflicted, in his case being corrupted by the deity that created death birds. Being the golden child and the future of the Golden order the two fingers along with Marika were willing to make an exception but the only way to kill him without removing the rune of death from the Elden Ring was to use a mere fragment of it instead (Maliketh was kept out of the secret hence him asking her why she did what she did when he died). However, after having caught wind of this ritual Ranni saw her opportunity to break herself free from the two fingers' influence, splitting the cursemark of death in half which led to Godwyn's soul dying whilst his body remained.
Nice headcanon, but again you're wrong. I got a feeling you're just going to spout more bullshit you thought of if i tell you why, or you'll just parrot vaatividya so let's end it here. Cool story though maybe make a youtube video about it, anything about ER lore gets 200k views these days.
Why does everyone care about Melina's origins so much? The idea of her being the unknown worthless maiden equivalent to your unknown worthless tarnished
Because she's a weird half-living ghost that knows a lot of shit about Marika but then kills herself.
>yeah bro who cares about the one person that can level you up its not like the maiden in black was pivotal in demon's souls but I didn't play that one because it's not on the PERSONALIZED COMPUTING PLATFORM, btw when is bloodborne pc
Does anyone have Silver D's human model? I want to check and see if it's night folk preset like I remember. That may actually be a deepest lore moment.
SHE'S NOT WORTHLESS TO ME
>Melina
>worthless
she literally gets a post credit scene. next game will have her as a protagonist like in Sekiro, hunting for the lord of frenzied flame
>caring about lore when they've been just vomiting the same shit since 2010
you must be trans
All of miyazaki's games take place in the same universe, even sekiro. There's a unified god of blood that presents itself as an eclipse.
That's moronic, Sekiro is supposed to take place in "our" world circa 1600s
Well Elden Ring has a land of Reeds that has been overtaken by a blood madness disease. It's where the samurai set came from as well as Okina who owns the Rivers of Blood.
It's a reference to Sekiro, I agree, but Sekiro itself takes places in a fantastical version of real 1600s Japan, whereas Elden Ring, Bloodborne and Dark Souls all take place in a different Earth.
Sekiro and the Ashina clan are from Japan though, not the land of Reeds.
Sekiro is unique. the Ashina clan was real and they really did get stomped out by the emperor for being seditious.
It's for lore reasons. Shit for gameplay when it's so kino for a weapon to have it exist for lore.
Why are the death sorceries (which the birds use themselves) tied to faith then?
Because for a time the erdtree faith was understanding of death. The deathbirds are the offspring of the actual twinbird of death, they come from something that was as "godly" as the elden beast was.
The poker is a literal tool the birds used in their ritual. You only need intellect to use a tool, you don't need to have faith in it. You have faith in yourself to use the tool.
Death is an aspect of gold that is heavily suppressed but little bits of it sneak through.
You should basking why they're tied to Int. If sorcery is your will and understanding tied to a glintstone than how is that linked to controlling twisted souls?
That sounds like a faith thing.
whose bright idea was it to not have this lightning weapon scale off of FTH?
>have to get DEX to 40 just to use
>FTH to 46 to use Fortisax lightning
frick me dude
Reminds me of death's poker
>weapon art by itself is better than all the death sorceries
>it only scales off int and nothing else
>all death sorceries use int/faith
frick me in particular for wanting to have a death rite bird's moveset I guess
Yeah making this pure dex is utterly baffling to me.
Dragons do it with pure dexterity.
Deathbirds did it with pure intellect.
Only under the Golden Order was there a level of faith required and it isn't actually required if you know how to do it naturally like the OGs can. Its metanarrative ludokino.
There are virtually no weapons in the game that are lightning and scale with faith. I feel like it was some kind of control thing since Faith already had two separate damage types that scaled with it.
Then for whatever reason, they still made dragon incants high faith incants when they really would have been better off scaling exclusively off of dex like the weapons. If you want to be a lightning faith user Electrify is the only way.
I'm pretty sure Death Poker WA int scaling isn't great anyway, most of the power is built in via upgrade. In that sense I was using it just fine as an int/fai necromancer before realizing the Death spells are all trash except ADR (Ghost Flame Explosion is really fun in pvp though).
I've done all faith builds. FTH/DEX is a supported build and all the dragon stuff will fall under it. FTH is commonly paired with STR but you don't have to do that and DEX has a full suite of gear designed for it.
Yeah it can be done, just like Arc/int. People are autistic about not having weapons that benefit from all offensive stats. Str/Fai will slap sacred or flame art on a str weapon. Dex/Fai will have to simply go with a basic dex weapon and use electrify to benifit from their faith.
It's not terrible, but with all the cool lightning dex somber weapons I could see why they yearn for them to be dex fai.
I will say that lightning is less good than holy or fire for a FTH build.
Even with good stats you will end up with lesser damage on lightning than you will on holy or fire types if you are messing with whetstones. It's like 50 points difference overall so not much but its always there.
The Swordspear has dummy thicc dex scaling, some of the best in the game. You'll get higher numbers making it holy or fire than lightning even with that insane dex stat.
I've been using the ram ash on fists just to roll around for lolz, it also kills the frick out of invaders like no other they are not expecting the sanic rolls. Shit hits for like 700 a pop and you hit them repeatedly. You become the tire of death on them.
You mean in the sense of electrifying a weapon right? Because obviously someone who's faith+ a melee stat is going to have a harder hitting weapon with the sacred or flame art affinity than just a pure melee stat weapon.
That's what I'm saying, you can go deep faith and get your badass lightning spells but you aren't getting your fai melee weapon with lightning. Lightning path is only good for high dex people
It creates that weird situation where you have the dex guys using powerful lightning weapons and weapon arts and the Fai guys summoning dragon lightning.
It's a lot like how deep fai guys have all these cool holy swords but can't use Golden Order incants.
I'm saying with optimized stats at the hardcap. You can go 80 fth and 80 dex and even the best scaling weapon in the game for dex output will do less damage on electric than holy or fire.
Again, the difference is negligible but it is across the board when in the FTH setup. If you are using lightning you are doing less damage than the other 2.
I was autistic about having all 3 damage types on my guy and did a lot of testing. Lightning's benefit is nothing in it's school is small fry, it all nukes stuff and has fast chaincasting.
Thanks for the bump sis.
on the bright side dex makes your incantations faster AND 40 + radagon's icon maxes out your casting speed.
Messmer is male alter ego of Melina.
You can thank me later Vaati.
Melina burning the tree is a wonderful cutscene that should get to me but doesn't because she's barely in the game.
DLC double-tree is showing how the erdtree used to look and how it ultimately died. The base game tree is illusory.
The trailer already gave away all the lore, Marika and probably Ranni were uncooperative assets for [redacted] all along, Miquella is the only one fighting against it (not for good, but for his own ends)
I think my biggest problem with Elden ring's story is that the shattering war is meant to be at a standstill for decades, but as soon as the tarnished shows up you start killing major players in the war like godrick or Radahn. This fact changes nothing about the world or people's plans. Everyone besides maybe Ranni are stationary and don't adapt to the new situation that the demigod killing tarnished presents.
everyone is already spent when the game starts
Gideon is the only one that's moving something and he does try to stop you
Unfortunately Elden Ring is a game using Souls game logic.
From used game limitations as a integral part of DeS and DaS.
World is empty? Well you're in the ruins of a dead civilization filled with immortal husks without need for food, roaming around looking for souls.
All the gods are mad or stuck in a slump and the only people around to hear your feats are a bunch of losers who will die anyway.
Elden Ring kind of did the same thing. The only actual people left are tarnished, the citizens of the Lands between have all gone mad with aging.
Souls "lore"
>"pair of pants told me that zanzibart was made of cigarette ashes"
>"read the helmet dumbass it's not cigarette ashes it's literally asbestos"
>"actually the cut content says it was cigar ashes watch the zullie video on shoelaces"
><homosexual australian voice>"what if in fact... they aren't cigarette ashes... but literally asbestos"
The Elden Beast isn't Marika, and it doesn't have the same wound. Marika's body is thoroughly devastated all over and half of her entire torso is gone, whereas the Elden Beast has a scar on the very front and center of its own torso but is otherwise intact. The Elden Beast also is what kicked Marika's butt, since she's strung up on a rune just like in the Elden Beast's grab attack, and she is stabbed in the same place and at the same angle as the player character is during that attack.
The beast is autistic and doesn't get what the wound really is. It is only mirroring what it perceives.
Why would the Elden Beast fail to understand its own injuries? Why would it have a single injury when Marika had dozens of injuries? The Elden Beast even has exclusive techniques like Wave of Gold, so it's by no means just copying others.
>Why would the Elden Beast fail to understand its own injuries?
Because it fundamentally didn't understand itself. It failed to understand that it is just magic.
There's no basis for the Elden Beast fundamentally not understanding itself. The boss is capable of turning people into specialized swords rather than copying something, is both a swordsman and an incantation wielder, and often employs intentional zoning and pressure tactics. There was even a cut attack where it generated four other Elden Beasts and they attacked with beam slashes.
The Elden Beast's spears are not red-gold, they're 100% gold. The spear piercing Marika likely had Radagon fused into it after the fact so he was a literal thorn in her side. Radagon on his own could never ensnare Marika, and she even mocked him as inferior before shattering the Elden Ring.
>There's no basis for the Elden Beast fundamentally not understanding itself.
It warped the moonlight greatsword into the golden order greatsword. It did that because it didn't understand that the magic of the sword was the same as he is already.
Radagon's expressed goal was to seek completeness in understanding.
>As the husband of Rennala of Caria, the red-haired Radagon studied sorcery, and as the husband of Queen Marika, he studied incantations. Thus did the hero aspire to be complete.
Incantations and sorcery not being joined shows he never found out the truth. Thops did though.
The Elden Beast didn't warp the Moonlight Greatsword, Radagon literally reforged the Moonlight Greatsword to mark his crowning as Elden Lord. Marika herself invented Golden Order Fundamentalism, as explained by Melina when quoting Marika at the Minor Erdtree Church. Radagon sought being complete because he was a mere fragment of Marika, ripped away from the much larger whole. The man was basically trying to cope and fill the void he innately felt. When given a chance to get closer to Marika and Leyndell, Radagon was all too eager to leave behind what he researched in Liurnia.
Also, the Erdtrees produce things like the Magic-Shrouding Cracked Tear, so life is already fundamentally connected even when people haven't realized it.
>The Elden Beast didn't warp the Moonlight Greatsword
Read the item description again.
>Greatsword made of light, modeled after the Elden Ring itself. Forged by the King Consort Radagon to proudly symbolize the tenets of the Golden Order. One of the legendary armaments.
>Telltale signs betray that this was once the greatsword bequeathed to him by his first wife, Rennala.
Radagon turned the Moonlight Greatsword into a weapon representing the core of the Golden Order itself to mark becoming the second Elden Lord of the Golden Order. The Elden Beast has absolutely no involvement with this. The Elden Beast even sends out space dust to attack, so it has no issue with space-related things.
>Radagon turned the Moonlight Greatsword
So he warped the moonlight greatsword like anon said.
The lore is fully understood. You wasted your time typing up some tripe I'm not going to read I know it is pants on head moronic without reading it.
Anon said the Elden Beast changed the sword, not Radagon. Anon then said the motive was the Elden Beast being autistic and not understanding itself, even though Radagon was the smith and his reasons weren't anything like the claimed ones.
The Crucible is the juvenile Erdtree, even the Crucible Knights' gear says this. The literal in-story Crucible experts acknowledge it's the same tree.
Literally everyone can see the Erdtree, and when it burns the gold layer is damaged and the solid brown bark is visible all over. The tree is alive. You might be shitposting, but too many people actually believe this nonsensical fan theory.
Play the game. The beast and radagon are the same entity. Radagon's agency is the beast's.
The b***h is trying to move goalposts like every thread when people talk about the lore.
Protip - it's always the same topics with the same people.
>The Crucible is the juvenile Erdtree
The crucible is just the earth the tree grew from.
The Erdtree isn't there. You can literally see through it and to the moon behind it from certain locations. The only part of the tree that still exists is the sliver held up with braces (same as Haligtree - hint hint) by the doorway.
It was just one shoot of the Crucible Era tree after the World Tree was destroyed. A 2nd shoot was rising for dominance and this was partioned into the Shadow Realm and has become a strangler there.
Miquella is Marika. Miquella in DLC will be revealed to be wearing Marika's crown, and Marika's Lillies will appear and clearly point out what's been going on.
Elden Ring DLC will end with The Eclipse moment and it will all make more sense.
That's a long-since debunked glitch from the divine bridge of Limgrave. Use the telescope and zoom in and the Erdtree will become solid again. Also, the view from that bridge shows solid brown wood on the Erdtree above the transparent part. Also, when Maliketh is defeated, the Erdtree has brown branches throughout its canopy and there are brown patches of bark on the trunk, as well as in the Age of Fracture Ending.
The Crucible is the young Erdtree before it finished growing and when life was still not as specialized.
>That's a long-since debunked glitch from the divine bridge of Limgrave.
He knows, someone tells him every time and he's still doing it. The discord will move to a new topic soon.
the only people in denial of the lore are coomers that jacked off to an alien parasite
why does the premise level of er feel so similar to das3
can these people do anything original ever
What the frick is a premise level
bro i about to fight mohg with my sl 100 arcane knife build any tips
The crucible existed before the erdtree. Why are you believing chaos cultist propaganda about the GW creating all life? Lol
Because there were Hosts of the Ring before Marika, dumbass. also why believe Hyetta is lying?
Wait you actually believe GO propaganda this isn't just roleplaying?
What the frick dude.
>Only bit of lore regarding the creation of the world
>lol she's lying
Why are people like this?
The elden ring existed before the elder beast. Pay attention.
Miquella is going to be based on Rosine from Berserk. She's going to transform into a giant Mothman with infant child self grafted inside of it.
If you know anything about Berserk and Elden Ring's entire everything about Miquella you know what's coming. Miquella is Marika and the entire setup of the Shadow Land is basically Miquella going full Femto and becoming Marika, and then birthing Himself in the waking world, previously only existing in a dream.
This is the most based take.
Marika being Griffith analog makes way too much sense, and all the moth eggs around haligtree, and the one Miquella is literaly inside of. Moth's are notorious for being able to change their form and camouflage, Miquella having the ability to represent as male or female/young or old and Marika seemingly being the same says alot.
Miquella doing all their deeds under another name of Marika and rebirthing themselves via the Erdtree after being trapped in the Shadow Land makes alot of sense.
I can guarantee you the DLC is going to contain "Marika's Lilly" and it's going to be Miquella's Lilly but not wilted, and different to St Trina's, being gold not purple.
St Trina will turn out to be a red herring, it was Miquella's previous attempt at doing what he/she did as Marika. He tried being a Saint and ruling via benevolence and using dreams to birth creation, but instead he made horrorfying shit happen, which we're about to witness. Marika is his 2.0 persona, which he used as a vessel to Femto himself into reality after sacrificing everyone in the first burn of the Erdtree (Griffith analog)
miyazaki said that the dlc will run concurrent to the main story, miquella ending up birthing himself with himself would be meta, but there needs to be some kind of time travel involved if the shadow incubates into the past
if the DLC doesn't follow elden ring color theory any more i'm going to be so fricking pissed with the entire game, and myself for giving a frick about a video game
You mean how there are flowers on the map the symbolize who did what during the shattering war?
i never thought about that, tell me more anon because that sounds pretty interesting. But here's probably the greatest elden ring lore video online
There are little flowers used in scenery throughout the game that differ in color.
Some are used to indicate turf. For example a Tibia Mariner's range will have light purple flowers in its range.
Ranni's locations will tend to have light blue flowers.
Places that Melania has passed through will of red flowers if the presence of rot wasn't obvious, such as the petrified forest in Consecrated snow fields.
In some locations though, particularly sites of war, you have two different colors.
In altus for example, there is this weird thing where you'll see white flowers admists armor of fallen soldiers and red flowers in spots where those giant arrows hit as if trying to show you what side did what.
I assume the white is Morgott's men given the side of the field they're on where as red I'm not sure of , possibly Radhan? I forgot who sieged the capitol.
If i bought the ps4 version during the pandemic because PS5 was impossible to get
And i have a ps5 now, will the ps5 dlc be compatible with the ps4 copy?
Bump
yep, just put in the ps4 disc in your PS5 and your ps5 will upgrade it to the ps5 version, did it with my bro
Does that mean that ill have the ps4 and pa5 game downloaded on the PS5 at the same time
So twice the gb?
Probably like a cdkey. I bought the ps4 edition digitally and got the PS5 version that I won't use because I don't own a ps5.
Is there anything about the seas around the Lands Between? The water around the weeping peninsula always have me the creeps
The ocean can be navigated, though there might be heavy fog at sea.
If you go to Radahn's arena, stand by the sea looking out toward the East, then wait until the sunrise, the rising sun's reflection stretching across the ocean will resemble a bridge of light. I always thought it would be neat if Miyazaki hid an invisible bridge to a secret area using that method. An invisible bridge that is only navigable when the sun's reflection is just right, that takes you far out into the middle of the ocean, eventually ending in a whirlpool or something that the player jumps into to reach a new area
If you go to moonrise plateau and wait right before dawn the moon glows for a moment before disappearing. You see the full moon with the crescent lit, then the crescent lights up like a fricking light.
I thought my tv was shorting out.
Isn't the Moonlight Altar always experiencing night though? One of the moons up there is especially bright too.
>Rennala's Remembrance
>In her youth, Rennala was a prominent champion who charmed the academy with her lunar magic, becoming its master. She also led the Glintstone Knights and established the house of Caria as royalty.
>Carian Filigreed Crest
>An honor said to have once been awarded to Carian knights who served as direct retainers to the kingdom's princesses. Now there is only one princess: Ranni, daughter of Rennala.
These two prove Ranni had fellow princess sisters at one point.
Rennala may have had sisters.
No it doesn't. There is only 1 wedding ring. Rennala could have had sisters, or her mom did, or her mom did.
The wedding ring was specifically for if Ranni got married, since she could become a god and her spouse would be an Elden Lord equivalent. I think Rennala probably had sisters.
>I think Rennala probably had sisters.
It's probably a tradition that goes back in time for a long time. The Carians are descended from the Nox and have kept their teachings so it infers that their line of succession was never broken. Ranni is even ending the feud that Marika started with the Nox ages ago.
The Carians had no royalty until Rennala founded the monarchy. Rennala is the first Carian queen, and thus only her sisters, her daughter, and her sisters' daughters would be princesses. Also, the Carians are descended from Astrologers, Liurnia was just in contact with Nox culture.
The carians were always nobility to themselves dummy.
They don't teach the academy their secrets because they see themselves as superior.
>the stars follow the moon
Literally what Rennala says that got her locked up lol.
Nothing says that the Carians were royalty to themselves, they were just a house in Liurnia, a prominent family or clan. Rennala kept a few arts within the Carian line out of a worry that her claim to being a queen wouldn't always hold up. The Astrologers were people on the mountaintops even in a time after the Nox were all banished underground, and Rennala was overthrown for being traumatized and no longer sane, not out of a still-lingering hatred over religious teachings.
The way they acted chatbot. Rennala is locked up in the academy as a hostage because she told them they follow her not the other way around.
The thing she tells them is also what the nox say.
Rennala's own gear says she's locked up because the academy thought she went too schizo after Radagon left and thus was a feeble, incapable leader.
>Also, the Carians are descended from Astrologers
What did the nox worship?
>>the stars follow the moon
This is what Rennala says to the academy and ALSO the description on the memory stone item which is nox artifice.
>What did the nox worship?
The nox worshipped the stars.
3 sisters rise doesn't have any other sisters on it. It is part of a ruse to keep their matrilineal family in order so no one assassinates the only heir.
As
points out, there is only 1 wedding ring and it has ranni's inscription on it.
fricking nice
Yeah, yeah, Ranni might've had a sister or two at some point, but what does that mean? She nor anyone else ever brings them up, so it's not like there's much insight to gain by knowing she had sisters. The only thing it leaves us with is the question of where did the sister(s) go.
>Ranni might've had a sister or two at some point
Don't listen to discord memes.
>literal 20 good men meme from GOT is in the game