This last year has been truly embarrassing for Sonic fans. Origins is broken as hell, the fandom keeps making up reasons that the movie and Prime are "so good" even though they are clearly soulless, and Frontiers gets hyped to high heaven even though everyone with eyes can see how dysfunctional it is.
Now in 2023 you have people doubling down on Prime, pretending like FRICKING Arzest can make a competent Sonic game, and Sega is literally releasing garbage for babies.
You need to stop.
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>series is factually doing better than it ever has in the last 17 years
>anon b***hes and moans about it
Seconding
Doing better how? monetarily doesn't mean the content is any better.
Producing a breadth of content unseen since 2003 with widespread positive reactions to almost all of it
modern generations are genuinely more stupid and easier pleased than those before. Quantity does not equal quantity, most current sonic products vary between mediocre and terrible in my opinion.
If you think things have taken a fall in quality from 06 and Rivals, you're simply wrong.
in terms of the games they've stayed at that level fairly consistently since then, There was no increase.
This was some decent bait.
Aside from blips like Generations, my opinion is perfectly in line with the general consensus until frontiers.
See, now you aren't even trying.
Please explain how I'm baiting.
Not a single games has been as abhorrently broken as 06 and Forces is the only game close to being as bad as 06.
Fricking hate how so many people talk about sales figures and what not. Only thing that matters is if YOU like the games, and nu-sonic still sucks. We play games to have fun by ourselves.
Imagine being this mindbroken by fricking Sonic the hedgehog
All I'm doing is explaining reality vs. delusion.
God, you homies are fricking ungrateful
be glad SEGA is giving attention to your franchise and not getting stuck like other shitty companies.
>muh pedo modeller
she knew the consequences yet she still decided to throw shit at the company
Rafa does NOT not own the rights to the character so they can do whatever the frick they want with the model.
then she sealed her fate by throwing more shit at SEGA plus releasing a model of Maria with a nude base.
the only thing i agree on here is that Origins sucks
I don't have to. I can just go to literally any Sonic thread.
>by fricking Sonic
Probably should think about phrasing
Prime is dumb but fun
It's really sad frankly.
>This last year has been truly embarrassing for Sonic fans.
Stopped reading immediately
>being embarrassed on behalf of a company
Do Sonicgays really?
They should be embarrassed of themselves for being so unashamedly stubborn.
yeah this show is lame. they try to make it a "best of both words" scenario between, say, satam and sonic boom, and it ends up being boing as hell as a result. look, I don't care anymore though. I'm 35 fricking years old. I'll always have sonic 3 and knuckles and that's good enough for me.
also, at least sega doesn't give two shits about fanmade projects, so there's that. plenty of interesting shit some turbo autist is out there making.
>Frontiers good
>Triple Trouble 16 Bit slaps
>Spark 3 is the best 3D Sonic gameplay ever made
>Symphony Tour
>Superstars looks promising
Honestly pretty happy right now
>B-but Spark 3 and TT16 aren't Sega!
You are gay.
>Triple Trouble 16 Bit slaps
It would be forgotten within a month if it didn't plaster Triple Trouble's name on top. Game's just not very good.
It's a little self-indulgent but it's a quality effort for a fan game.
It's ok. I think it honestly made some of the zones and bosses worse than the original. Wish it could just chill out and build on what worked.
There's the SMS remakes that do that well
Yeah, exactly. SMSR2 hits a fantastic middle point of preserving the original game while adding to and enhancing it. It feels much less like anything has changed when you're playing it than writing it all out would make you think. It captures the spirit of the original without tying itself to its mistakes.
Dunno if 3 will be any good. S&T1 gives absolutely nothing to work with. Hopefully the S&T2 Zones will be reasonably faithful but expanded.
Except Tidal Plant. What a piece of shit.
I am slightly worried that Timelines will veer into Donut Steel territory (the natural fate of anything that features Silver), but the glowup they gave Turquoise Hill in the demo build is very promising
Same. The 3 partner system is a lot. Again, there's not much to salvage from Chaos so yeah, frick it, make a fan game. I'm only worried about TT zones.
>Spark 3 is the best 3D Sonic gameplay ever made
SRB2 mogs that shit to death
They're both excellent this isn't one to be tribalistic over considering we have so few options for genuinely good 3D Sonic games that are more than 1 test environment for physics wankery
Their entire lives have been embarrassing for Sonic fans
Sounds like you need some FWENS!
Not really
More like a new (and actually decent) sly game
the hate for origins is so overblown and I frankly don't understand it. no, it's not as good as AIR or the other similar fan projects. but it's not this unplayable dumpster fire of a collection either.
>it's not this unplayable dumpster fire of a collection either
Thats why they hate it, they want to milk a bad sonic game/content for view and rage at muh childhood ruined like the diaper shitters they truly are.
People got mad because it costs way too much and a better solution easily could have been reached if the people in charge weren't buttholes.
It deserves x2 the hate along with every other shit remaster which is basically all of them.
How do you justify the physical release not having all the content on the cartridge?
As far as sega is concerned they have a perfectly valid reason, but I'm curious to see if would agree with theirs, I do not.
>but it's not this unplayable dumpster fire of a collection either.
The issue is that it's a buggy as frick mess that was rushed out the door by people who don't give a shit about Sonic. Like how the FRICK do you mess up fricking Game Gear emulation, one of the easiest things to emulate alongside with the NES and Gameboy? Or failing to have characters in certain games like Knuckles in CD? Or how about not even crediting Rafa since they outright used his Amy model for Origins and even ghosted him when trying to contact the Origins staff about it?
https://twitter.com/rafaknight_rk/status/1672109332467425280
It also doesn't help that SEGA decided to pull a fricking Rockstar by delisting several classic Sonic titles so you HAVE to buy Origins to play them.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sega-is-delisting-multiple-classic-sonic-games-in-may-ahead-of-sonic-origins-release/1100-6502825/
There's literally no point in purchasing Origins when you can easily emulate, play the source ports, or even play the infinitely superior SEGA AGES versions of Sonic 1 & 2 if you're a Switch gay. Even Sonic 1 & 2 from Sega Genesis Classics is better than the versions in Origins.
>Rafa does NOT not own the rights to the character so they can do whatever the frick they want with the model.
Well said. Artists do not deserve credits.
Hello sir
>https://twitter.com/rafaknight_rk/status/1672109332467425280
Rafa is making money off of drawing porn of Sega's characters I think this is a fair trade
It deserves the hate it gets. The collection was rushed, the games are more buggy than the Genesis. Not only that, people that bought the digital deluxe got fricked over because the digital deluxe pack got merged with the plus pack, but they still had to pay $10 if they wanted to play as Amy.
I'd be okay with it literally just being roms if it was done well. Mega Collection and Gems Collection were terrific value and only cost $10 more than Origins together.
I don't get the seethe for origins either, It's not like sonic fans haven't played these games a million times on other consoles why the frick would they care to buy it again in the first place.
is Sonic an incel?
>This last year has been truly embarrassing for Sonic fans
said no one ever. bait thread. be sure to hide and sage and tell OP to kill himself preferably somewhere where other humans aren't normally present so no one has to smell his homosexual corpse afterwards
>People hating on the sonic prime show
It's a SatAM tier show: big concept, most of the actual writing is trash.
Take that wiener out of your mouth when you address Sonic SatAM.
You're the one sucking off a Double Dragon/Street Fighter quality cartoon, man. It's got great background painting, good voice acting, and absolutely terrible scripts.
That's the 90's. Writing was notoriously cheesy and made for kids in every way possible. Everything was like that, from Mega Man, to SKELETON WARRIORS, and only had the occasional The Tick/Freakazoid taking the piss out of things or Gargoyles and Spider-Man with depth to its writing despite the child appeal.
SatAM gets off lightly compared to Adventures and fricking Underground.
Man, even MegaMan's scripts aren't SatAM bad aside from a couple episodes.
Change your diapers.
everyone is canon Kiwi gay, from mobians, to boom (which also had its own Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles etc.).
Diaperhomosexuals need not to apply.
Go back to your containment general.
Go back to your little shitty rally of diapers.
Don't make me spam Sally.
This is why nobody likes your kind. This is why you're treated as the scam in the eyes of everyone in the fandom.
You never learn.
You never grow up.
Pathetic.
Damn. Pepe Le Pew lifts now. Good on him.
I'm not even a part of the Sonic fandom. I post Sally because you get unreasonably upset about it.
Prime is boring
It was so shit all discussion disappeared after the first week.
In a show with Rouge in it, no less. The character horny autists fall over themselves to portray as nuanced so they can gush about their waifu. Even she couldn't keep talk about it alive.
I think it's really funny that Flynn dislikes the show when it's really similar to his own writing.
That's because Netflix keeps dumping all the episodes with their shitty binge format. If it was an episode a week, we'd still be talking about it over at Ganker this month.
Nah, it's too damn predictable and forecasted with obvious tells to be fun to discuss.
k', but i'm interested to see how it all ends.
Not even Ganker likes it, who are you?
Any reason to hate any thing Sonic has just been "not muh" just like in OP unironically
That's all Sonicgays will do until the heatdeath of the universe. Instead of just ignoring it or act like normal human beings and see the good parts about it in a vacuum like the objectively better Shadow in 20 years or the actually decent attempt at combat no other Sonic show ever tried to convey, it's just "bad" because "it's nothing like Frontiers" or some moronic shit.
The dumbest reason to hate Prime literally is part japanese cuck seething SEGA said it was canon (I just think it being canon is moronic because it's pointless and would stand on its own far better being a standard cartoon show like AoSTH was) and the other part being seething ShatAMgays malding that the other alternative worlds should have been le FF/Archie world so their nostalgia for fricking a half naked squirrel can be "validated" like the autistic morons they are.
Unless it's a valid complaint like the worlds Sonic goes to being not as fleshed out as the Eggman one or the fact as decent the combat is it is quite a lot of it in proportion to the rest of the content, it's just autistic screeching tier and should be completely discarded whenever people bring moronic complains up to bring down the show.
I believe the people that despise Sonic Prime are too used to having a wide discussion online. Don't get me wrong, I love to geek out and talk about the things I love, rather if it's a cartoon or vidiya, but since the show is simple, like the old Sonic Cartoons, Sonic Prime, even video games, people can, and will dismiss it as "bland" we cannot appreciate the simple things in life anymore and cartoons like Steven Universe and SvtFoE is to blame.
As for the canon part, I don't care about that. I just like to enjoy simple things sometimes that's not too off the wall so I can easily dismiss that by fans and SEGA. the so-called lore means nothing to me, as odd as that sounds as a vivid fan of the franchise.
Only smart poster ITT
Personally I don't care for the characterizations in the show. Sonic feels too flanderized for my tastes and the animation is a bit strange for me.
Happy that you enjoy it though.
I could see what you mean with Steven shit and Star trash, but Sonic Prime is quite literally a toddler show.
The only new Sonic thing I hate is Frontiers. All of this new Sonic media has been great except Frontiers. It’s literally “Sega hire this man” Unreal tech engine demo slop, and it’s really disappointing morons bought it en masse and fricked the timeline. Now the next decade of Sonic games is going to be Frontiers-esque trash.
I want more games like Frontiers, just not set in an empty open area with floating trick objects. The idea is actually captivating but they need to anchor the setting more fully to actually make it work. A big city you can run around in is what this is calling for.
Same. I'm not against the idea Frontiers is going for but it's an alpha build for a game that might never come. Knowing Sega it's more likely the sequel will in no way shape or form improve on Frontiers. They'll just up the spectacle and hope the music carries the whole thing.
The DLC is already improving the game tho.
Sonic isn't supposed to be good, and grown ass men aren't supposed to like it either. Just like Pokémon, sonic is for onboarding/conditioning people for future product.
>watches children's cartoon
>It's not for me...
Do Sonic fans really?
I like the games as much as anyone, but that's because they play a certain way, and have good music.
Sonic as a narrative focused thing is inevitably going to be aimed at eight year olds, and that's what it should be.
Have you seen literally any sonic thread? The new trend is they're all obsessed with the 'lore.'
Yes, and I consider those people mentally ill.
They are and you're right
To be fair I consider any show between TV-Y7 and TV-14 to be the ideal range for compelling content. Anything lower or higher than that usually steers too hard into its rating but when you have shows in that range they want a broad audience.
I just glance at that shit to see if it's good for its target audience. Pretty easy to catch clips online. I'm not bored or stunted enough to watch a whole episode of that stuff.
>everyone with eyes can see how dysfunctional it is.
So you gays are just admitting you haven't played it and won't play it now? But you'll still shit your pants and scream like trannies about it anyway, of course.
How are antisonicgays so much more mentally ill than the actual fans? There haven't even been any any sonic threads recently, just seething homosexuals.
The games a ugly meandering buggy piece of shit.
>t. didn't play the game at all
Ganker hasn't gotten so bad recently it's actually ridiculous. This is literally one of the least buggy sonic games, despite the large hubs.
Why are you trying so hard? What do you gain?
I played it at launch before I got a refund.
Sure you did homosexual. So where is the game being glitchy coming from?
This Black person board is the only one that seethes endlessly about frontier. it's not perfect or anything but you gays are truly obsessed.
Stop fricking making sonic threads and frick off.
If the constant vitriol isn't to your taste, maybe you should go back to reeddit.
>b***h immediately starts crying about reddit
What's wrong can't take a little adversity? Where the frick are the glitches Black person?
>admitting you're just being antagonistic
>if you don't like it leave
Yeah I don't care for people deliberately stirring up shit, sorry.
Well you certainly came to the wrong fricking site.
No U: the post.
>autistic troony shits up thread he clearly didn't need to go into
>fans rightfully shit talk back and tell him frick off
>b***h starts crying and telling them to go to reddit
Have some fricking self awareness
>Have some fricking self awareness
Ironic.
Are you fricking kidding me?
This is still sonic thread, that hasn't changed at all. Why the hell can you gays not just let a sonic thread be.
This isn't a Frontiers shill thread you braindead eunuch. You're as bad as a botw drone only your game is actually terrible lol.
So exactly the same as a BotW drone?
It's not a 10/10 and it's not my favourite of the series, but I'd say botw has more going for it than Frontiers.
>If I'm going down I'm taking you down with me.
What are you on about you mong? Go watch thomas the tank engine or something lol.
>shill thread
sonic thread
It's a sonic thread
that response was in regards to an anon crying when people defend a sonic game in a sonic thread.
You're just as much of an autistic moron as I am. If I'm going down I'm taking you down with me.
>your game is actually terrible
ironic
iithfof
I laugh at anyone who spent money on origins and not the roms before they got delisted
Excuse me but I bought Origins on sale from a reseller.
IT was funny when sonic's marketing team made a better game than the actual sonic team ever does
Delusional
I liked the second movie but Prime is garbage. Feels like a two episode plot stretched out for multiple seasons.
>Prime is garbage
I think people think that because its kind of bland and you cant over exaggerate shit and make rage articles about it, they even tried with Rouge's design change.
> Flynn dislikes the show
its about on his level of writing though and it doesn't try to cram in a dozen references into the dialogue
trying to call out sonic fans for being crazy has lost its luster after realizing bronies were a thing and there are actual people hyping up a mid wrpg because of gay bear sex
Bronies look sane by comparison.
Please stop trying.
>you cant over exaggerate shit
Which makes it great. Not every show needs to be Steven Universe tier. A simple plot is what a show like that should be.
Frontiers was ass and I can't believe how much dick sucking it got.
Go play Mario where it's the same game over and over again.
Frontiers was incredible and almost as good as Adventure 2, one of the best games ever made.
>it's the same game over and over again.
They change the Mario formula often enough that people endlessly b***h that they haven't brought back the exact formula they prefer.
You literally don't play Mario games.
This
And even when they do share the same formula, it gets fricked up somewhere. Like NSMB is functionally similar to 3 or World but nowhere near as fun.
>Go play Mario where it's the same game over and over again
Sonicgays have been stuck playing the same Sonic Generation levels for over a decade kek
SA2 is shit
Frontiers is shit
Many other people think S3K, Generations and Mania are better products
You Adventuretrannies will never be the common opionion of "peak Sonic".
What is it about sonic that attracts the absolute bottom of the barrel autismos?
Mario fans really need to frick off from these threads.
We like playing different games, not the same one over and over.
>We like to play different games
>has only 3 good games
what did this troony mean by that?
>as opposed to the the mario with 0 good games
If you don't like sonic, frick off from sonic threads.
>0 good games
yup it's another troony with the moronic idea that sonic was a good franchise to begin with
>you cannot like thing if you don't like all the trash that comes with it
>while mario stays consistently good
go have a nice day
>le sonic was never good
Go to back to réddit, Black person
>consistently good
lmfao. You think I was fricking joking? Mario is a shitty series made for toddlers with a majority troony fanbase. Not a single mario game in existence has good level design, the absolute crux of any platformer.
Get the frick out of sonic threads and stop fricking coming to them you homosexual fricking troony. You filth are the only ones causing chaos in these threads, even autistic snöys aren't as annoying as you frickwits.
Show me level design in Frontiers that's this good
>cubecubecubecubecubecubecubecubecubecube
And tendies have the fricking balls to to call sonic a linear obstacle course series when this is the shit they worship. A fricking toddler could do this shit.
The only good mario is the spinoffs, the main series is a joke.
>slope slope slop slope
>bad underwater segment
>slope
>sonic
nice try, we only got slope physics back in 3d recently
>muh underwater
filtered. water levels are always the best sonic levels
Oh, I apologise
>grind rail grind rail
>bunch of enemies in a row for you to homing attack off
>literal cutscene where you run around a loop
>HOLD THE ANALOG STICK FORWARD
>PRESS A
>WOW A LOOP DE LOOP
if mario is for toddlers
then sonic is for aborted fetuses
>mariobab complains about spectacle in a sonic thread
>no criticism of level design in sight
lmao
>the only grind rail heavy levels were from back in 2003
>it was 3 levels at most
lmao. No one considers them the "peak of level deign" like you homosexuals
>bunch of enemies in a row for you to homing attack off
>literal cutscene where you run around a loop
a one second sequence make mariobabs seethe.
Lets do each other a favor. Get out of sonic threads entirely and stop stirring up shit, it proves every stereotype about tendies.
Right, no grind rails, and the game totally isn't playing itself at any point.
I have actually played (and like) these games man. I don't know why you're trying to bullshit me.
>moron is pissed at a level that no one complains about
>I have actually played (and like) these games man. I don't know why you're trying to bullshit
Are you actually fricking shitting me? Seaside hill is considered the best level in generations and is many people's ideal for boost levels.
It doesn't even have many grind rails, what the frick are you on? Do you mean the short kart section. Mariobabs are truly mental.
How is that better than the Mario level where you're always in control, and the level is filled with all kinds of tight, satisfying obstacle sequences?
That part with the swinging things in Champion's Road feels like fricking sex to play. Or the part where you're on the fast platforms, and the shockwave things are going off.
Seaside Hill just looks kind of flashy, and plays mostly okay. No one particularly likes the parts where it slows down and makes you do actual platforming.
Quit replying to this schizo, anon. Sonicgays finally got one mid game after years of shit and they now act like the franchise was always good.
Man, I even like Sonic Generations for what it is, but if you're going to be making claims about Mario having shit level design, you're going to have to answer for that.
>How is that better than the Mario level where you're always in control, and the level is filled with all kinds of tight, satisfying obstacle sequences?
Because it isn't trapped in a game that's 99% baby-tier challenges. You know as well as I do anon that it's a diamond in the bland rough that is 3D World.
Seaside Hill is a shitty level, sure, I certainly never want to replay it. But I'd rather play one shitty level than an entire shitty game to get one good level.
Literally a harder game than Generations.
Generations is watch the game play itself, and occasionally time your A press correctly. It's a Simon Says game.
>harder game than Generations
A single challenging level does not a challenging game make. Why even claim otherwise? Mario has never, ever been known for being difficult, neither has Sonic. It's just about fun, and at least Generations has spectacle.
>one tightly designed fun sequence of obstacles after an entire game of tedious linear stages
I think I'll take the alternate paths. Also I see 0 reason Mario can't have both like with World.
There's nothing remotely challenging in Generations. The last like three worlds of 3D World are decently tough, and the whole game is really tightly designed and loads of fun anyway, especially if you're aiming to get the green stars.
The whole game is a fisher price toy. Generations isn't dark souls, but it may as well be compared to baby food like 3d world.
Do you just think I haven't played 3d world or some shit? It is literally a baby's game. How the frick can you list off praise for that shit with no fricking shame?
See, your whole argument seems to be based on some assumption that Sonic isn't for children, and I'm not sure how I can argue against that kind of delusion.
Classic Mario is harder than classic Sonic, by the way. The ring mechanic is an absolute crutch.
Mario 64 is harder than Sonic Adventure too. Sunshine is harder than Heroes. I'm sure I could go on.
Which classic Mario games are harder than which classic Sonic games?
I've beaten every classic Sonic, and I've never beaten Mario 2 or 3. They're actually tough.
3, the game that lets you hold 28 power ups at a time and showers you with lives constantly? Maybe you didn’t beat it for another reason than difficulty.
VS Sonic games where you always live, as long as you grab a ring.
Those games aren't remotely hard, man.
Neither are Mario games anon, with the sole exception of Japanese SMB2 which is genuinely fricked up. I’ve been a lifelong Sonicgay and I went and played every Mario game this year, and they’re generally trivial. Because these are all kid games.
Mario games are comparatively harder.
Idk anon, I kinda feel like the Sonic 2 Death Egg alone requires a much finer degree of skill than almost anything in classic Mario, except maybe Tubular in World.
Different anon but that's kind of the point. Sonic is only hard when you rob the player of any rings which very rarely comes up in the old games. The ring system is a 10/10 design choice but it has the arguably negative effect of letting players brute force their way through a level. Mario on the other hand has to give out extra lives like candy if they want the player to reach the end, at least for the older games before World, before they implemented a save system.
Personally I think 2D Sonic >2D Mario, funnily enough it's quality vs quality unlike their 3D outputs where Sonic goes for quantity instead, but in terms of difficulty 2D Mario wins. Later levels in Mario can be real gauntlets.
>funnily enough it's quality vs quantity
Fixed
I'm also not necessarily a bigger fan of 2D Mario than I am of 2D Sonic. I return to 2D Sonic more often, and I return to 3D Mario more often.
If you're looking for challenge in a 2D platformer though, Mario is harder than Sonic, Donkey Kong is harder still, and Adventure Island is the real mo-fo.
>I return to 2D Sonic more often, and I return to 3D Mario more often.
Same and it's for the same reason. 2D Sonic and 3D Mario feel more interactable. Every little curve in 2D Sonic can be used such as every polygon in 3D Mario can be used. There's no restrictions like only being able to walljump in a specific kind of wall or only being able to jump from a slope at a specific angle. Makes the whole thing a lot more fun. Probably why I think Adventure 1 was the better of the 3D Sonic games because it still carried that idea of being able to use the level to its full extent rather than it just feeling like set dressing.
DKC is also very fun. Never got around to trying Adventure Island but I have heard it's pretty hard.
Adventure Island 1 (and I guess Wonderboy too) is a game that wants you to suffer, and I love it for it.
This is why the combination of 2D Sonic and 3D Mario is objectively the perfected platformer.
whaggamwe
Don't get attached the dev is going to hang themself before they get more than this 1 test level out. This is the fate of all 3D sonic fan projects
Lightspeed Lina
Can you customize the character or is that it? Because I'm not playing as that character.
She has a partner that likely you can play as and you do have custom outfits to swap out with
If you mean skin color then no, it's a permanent feature.
The eternal problem of sonic inspired games. Character design is always a sore spot.
holy shit the first webm didnt show off her ugly face, there truly is no way to change it out? i thought it would have looked cute and cartoony or something, nevermind i don't want it
>Ugly
Time to get off the polpills, anon.
she cute
What kind of demographic is this character design meant to target?
Non homosexuals.
What if she was white, though?
Then the puffy hair makes no sense, like putting an afro on a white girl.
Eh not really, Lina's hairstyle is closer to a man from the 1700s than any black woman. Plus she has a more of a white girl's facial structure.
Those are wigs.
That's a common misconception.
source
I dunno, the nose and lips (kinda) don't really look it on the original image. It's too wide.
That purple does not match with that pale ass skin, she looks like a clown now.
It's more a problem that the outfit looks fricking stupid more than the color scheme, it looks just as bad whether a darkie or a cracker.
I mean, what's so unacceptable about the clothes? Did anyone b***hed when Dante had that kind of look in DMC4? It reminds me of that a lot, namely the cowboy boots.
In fact, I just now realize she's literally a human cow, with those horn like garment on her head. Damn that's hot now that you think about it
>I mean, what's so unacceptable about the clothes?
Mostly the color distribution. It looks dumb to have shirt, pants, and pointy jester boots all in the same color.
Uhh, as oppose to Sonic's blue head, body and legs making up the majority of his color pallet? Or any other color coded character, like Big, Tails, Knuckles, Espio, Shadow, etc? I don't really see the issue.
You'd have a point if Sonic looked like this.
You forgot to make his chest blue.
Tbf he does look pretty good, then again I like the color blue anyways. I just makes more sense why they didn't do this because of genesis graphics but like with blue arms this is a non issue since Shadow has black arms and only works like that because he was created during the 3D era.
I don't really think "color clarity" is that ingerital for 3D games, but 2D it is. With that said, this does make me wonder if Spark has this issue for most people, the fact he's basically just all yellow with the only separation is the blue and red hat and shoes, and why they later decided to give him a brown jacket (something I myself don't like because it's just out of place to all the other neon colors he had that could have been used instead)
>I don't really think "color clarity" is that ingerital for 3D games
It's essential. You're fricking insane.
The hair still doesn't match the character but I don't mind the highlighted color radiant, makes me think of AHiT dye mods.
I don't think its that way anymore? I've seen an updated look in a different thread
Do you just not see all the black breaking up the red?
Yeah I do, same as the black areas on lina and the gold accents like Sonic's buckle on his shoes.
I don't really see it being too much compared to many other characters. Heck classic amy has a lot going on her her design and I recall many people for years having issue with that compared to the more simple color coded theming of Sonic Tails and Knuckles.
>Some black trim at the hem of the skirt is the same as Dante's undershirt, belts, chaps and shoes.
That b***h looks like Grimace. I swear, I'm horrified thinking about how people like you must dress.
Ok zoomer, way to point out how young you are to hate on Grimace.
Grimace is a literal goddamn purple chicken nugget, not an actual character.
How's this?
Not that anon, but significantly better.
Why is she not black?
v
you can't just ask someone why they're white
>you can't just ask someone why they're white
She looks like a weird recolor of Captain Syrup.
She clearly has Mario character inspiration. I think she's based on Pauline honestly. Maybe mixed with Shantae, another Purple themed character.
So someone just took Shaymay's 3D Sonic idea and made it a real game? Neat
It also has Majora's Mask swimming mechanics, which is one of those ideas that seems like it should be so obvious for a Sonic game(to give you a fun, fast way to move in water), and yet no one has had it before.
>which is one of those ideas that seems like it should be so obvious for a Sonic game(to give you a fun, fast way to move in water), and yet no one has had it before.
Except SEGA did, it's called the Drill Wisps. Except they also made it have zero physics, stuck in 2D sections and never once tried to improve upon it since Colors.
>Generations isn't dark souls,
Zero Sonic game is, you autistic trannie
The platforming bits and parts where you can just frick about and find new routes are the best thing about Seaside Hill in Generations though
Every fricking section has 3-4 alternate paths. You mario homosexuals are completely insane. I don't give a shit that you "actually like it" if you're gonna try and spin actual toddler shit as good level design.
hell the kart section even has optional parts itself.
>Schizo
This is a FRICKING SONIC THREAD.
Get the frick out already!
>muh alternate paths
So what? Do you want three equally mediocre routes through a level, or one tightly designed fun sequence of obstacles?
>mediocre
Why the hell did you pretend to like generations?
Seaside hill is literally the best level in the game
>tightly
You fricking homosexuals are fricking insufferable
What part of "toddler obstacle course" do you not understand? In a fricking undefined block level at that! Are you just gonna ignore that mario games have 70 fricking levels of worthless bullshit before this?
Seaside is quantity AND quality, that's what makes it ideal.
I do like Generations. It's a shallow, rollercoaster-ride of a video game, but that isn't necessarily bad in itself.
You want to tell me Mario games have shitty level design, you have to answer for that though.
>you have to answer for that though.
You mario Black folk come into a sonic thread and start stirring up shit and NOW you want us to answer you fricking questions like you're owed anything?
The only way your assessment makes any sense is if you were a brain dead slug that trudged through generations without interacting with any of the alt paths or trying to improve your skills.
Likewise, only a braindead bufoon would think mario games were challenging for expecting the bare minimum out of the player with the shittiest blockiest platforming imaginable.
It's genuinely ridiculous that homosexuals have the audacity to call me a schizo when YOU"RE STILL FRICKING HERE.
ALL 3d mario game are easy bullshit.
Sonic is a series that appeals to kids, but has the depth to appeal to older audiences through a high skill ceiling. Sure you can bullshit your way through a sonic game and see the ending, but playing the game properly and with skill is a whole other endeavor.
Stop fricking come into these threads you subhuman Black person. It was a fricking comparison, you worthless sack of rotten flesh.
>Stop fricking come into these threads you subhuman Black person
Stop freaking out and seething over other IPs no one even brought up but yourself first
Are you fricking kidding me, it was a fricking slight reference?
Get the frick outta here you fricking rat.
>Underaged swearing
>ESL typing
>Autistically unaware of your autistic screeching
Take your meds.
>still fricking here
Why?
Because you haven't taken your meds yet little timmy.
I like Mario and Sonic. You're the one making this a fight.
So no response? cool
There's my response
>Sonic is a series that appeals to kids, but has the depth to appeal to older audiences through a high skill ceiling. Sure you can bullshit your way through a sonic game and see the ending, but playing the game properly and with skill is a whole other endeavor.
There's nothing much else to argue, it's just a difference in taste at this point. I'm done.
Mario also has a high skill ceiling. I've seen speed runners do some crazy stuff with Mario games.
There's definitely more speed running tech in Mario 64 than there is in a fully on-rails game like Generations.
Whatever, man.
>what are spin-offs
>We like playing different games,
Then why can't you play something without Sonic's dick on it?
Tendies are completely obsessed with sonic to a ridiculous degree. It's obvious when a sonic thread is filled with mostly fans since they go by smoothly and bring up different topics.
It's shit like this thread that are spammed by homosexual tendies and trannies. Obsessed with a series they hate, with no real reason behind it.
Ho yeah?
Explain THIS
Is SEGA moronic? they could be selling the soap shoes again but instead they're doing this.
Do they even have the license
>This last year has been truly embarrassing for Sonic fans.
I don't disagree, but try "these last dozen years." Anyone left in the Sonic fandom is either a newbie or someone with stockholm syndrome. The franchise has been a headless chicken / animated corpse ever since Unleashed.
I thought the general opinion on Frontiers is that it's jank but fun
It is, there are just a bunch of schizos that have made it their life's work to make sure this series is never regarded in a positive light again.
> the competition hasn't killed Sonic
> woke shit hasn't killed Sonic
> shitty sequels and reboots hasn't killed Sonic
> moronic internet opinion hasn't killed Sonic
I think Sega stumbled into the formula to immortality
>This last year has been truly embarrassing for Sonic fans.
>This last year
Anon, every year has been an embarrassing year for Sonic fans since the little blue cashcow went 3D
Pizza Tower is a better 2d sonic game and i'm not kidding.
I thought 2022 was the best year for sonic since 2003?
>Shadow DLC for Frontiers never ever
>Sonic X reboot with higher production value and less cartoony tone never ever
>Sonic Adventure 2 Battle Remake never ever
Sonic is a lot like Pokémon for me in that i enjoyed it a lot as a kid/teenager, but at some point i realized that ultimately both series had already peaked because the people who own those IPs are utterly devoid of any further creativity and ambition.
>No creativity or ambition
>WHERE are my freaking remakes
This is the biggest cope I've ever seen. Farewell.
>frontiers is a 10/10 by sonic standards
They'll enjoy anything sega shits out so who cares
I guess for dinner we're getting............... blue waffles!
>Origins is broken as hell
water is wet. all sonic games are shit but the only good thing about them is the music. cant go wrong with sonic music
I fail to see how this is a bad year for Sonic. Even the joke April Fools game was pretty decent.
the sonic series ended with generations
It ended with 06.
Unleashed and onward is a literal reboot of the series.
yes and generations ended the reboot
>reboot
Literally Forces.
Honestly frontiers was a step in the right direction despite its flaws. It is a top 5 3D sonic game even if that isn't very hard to achieve
Maybe the bar for defending Frontiers could be justfied more if people would compare it to better games outside of Sonic.
The biggest annoyance I get from Frontiershills is this headcanon it's a platformer. It's not. It hardly actuallly focuses on this and challege the player with it what so ever, and to me, calling it the right direction means you never wanted Sonic as a platformer to begin with. To me, it's a DMC like kind of action brawler/hacknslasher game. If that's what you want Sonic to be then that means I should be able to compare it to others and while it might not be the most basic, like, for example, The Legend of Spyro 1/2, the 3rd game shits all over this games combat because it's actually invovled with the abilities you use, and isn't just cutscenes disquised as gameplay. Plus it actually has platforming challages unlike Frontiers.
If people could provide examples you think are objectively better than what Frontiers offers then it would validate your stance on Frontiers better by contextualizing why you see potential with Frontiers. Since I don't want Sonic like this and actively defend a platformer series through and through, this game actively disappoints me in that direction and is a massive joke to compare it to games that literally understands what it feels like to have challenging and thought provoking level design for a platformer.
>The Legend of Spyro
Reddit essay discarded
Did you even read it you cretin or seethed like the typical Sonictard you are?
Like I said Frontiers' combat isn't as basic as games like Legend of Spyro 1/2, but the fact the 3rd game is, objectively, more invovled with it and that's a 12 year old game is not a good look for what a 2023 Sonic combat game should be like at this point, and comparing it to actual legends of the craft like DMC Bayonetta, etc just becomes unfair at that point.
Go ahead and seethe all you want, but if you really wanted to validate frontiers actually explain it with examples you think is "your peak" then it will make it clear where your standards lie, which I know for a fact coming from Sonicgays it's very very low by comparison.
Why does it need defending?
Because clown, people call this the right step forward for Sonic and mos actively worship this "as good as SA2" which if you're saying it's a 7/10 then SA2 must being very fricking mediocre by comparison to actual good games.
Sa2 is a 8/10
Frontiers is an 8.1/10
Now frick off
Nice cope, but I guess Sonic was never good if that's the case.
Also you lied and said Frontiers was almost as good as SA2, now you're saying it's better?
I''m the anon who discarded your opinion for bringing up LoS, I'm saying that frontiers is better than any game you like so that you frick off.
Keep thinking that headcanon anon, it won't be true to anyone but yourself.
>actively worship this "as good as SA2"
Why would I argue with some disingenuous homosexuals headcanon?
>defending Frontiers
Why does it need defending? It's a 7 or 8 out of 10.
>the right direction
It is! It's objectively better than Lost World or Forces, thereby it's the right direction. Not as fun as Adventure or Adventure 2.
You're wasting your breath.There's an unspoken rule when it comes to Sonic that his games should only be evaluated against other Sonic games. Not even fangames are allowed to be compared. It's just an accepted fact that if one was to compare to other games outside of Sonic it'd just be a massacre.
I just wish people would call that shit out more because that shit is literally not natural with any other IP ever. Literally all games since post Pong was compared to the other better example.
I don't know, that seems pretty normal to me.
Plenty of games that are fundamentally inferior to the competition are beloved.
Look and DQ monsters and pokemon, mario kart and ctr, etc.
Most people don't care about thinks being objectively better since taste isn't objective
Why bother improving life if "how I like it" is enough?
If it was all about you instead of everyone then everything would be shit.
Progress for the sake of progress doesn't really make sense. Sure some could have more depth and variety, but maybe that over complicates things and makes the game more of a chore for some people?
People aren't so different, appealing to one person can very easily appeal to many. CTR may be an awesome kart racer, but mario kart has more lovable charas and tracks. Maybe the extra mechanics are a pain for the main audience and they enjoy the chaotic rng.
Sometimes being worse is its own charm, anon.
>Progress for the sake of progress doesn't really make sense.
Well it's human nature, it's not going to stop anytime soon
So the reasonable thing to do is improve the parts people like instead of saying "this janky shit is ok because I like it being janky shit" because trust me, with all the Mariotard talk ITT, I sure as frick wouldn't like Sunshine more if it was even more janky than it already is. I would kill for a Sunshine that wasn't brok-
Oh wait it's called AHiT.
I like how you keep being a disingenuous homosexual and ignore the examples he gave you.
What fricking examples? Those "totally objective" ones?
Humanity has strived for perfection since they left the trees. If you don't agree you are literally Black person tier IQ.
Mario kart and Crash Team Racing you stupid mong. Mario kart is nowhere near as good as ctr but its way more popular because its easier to play.
Not my point moron. Mario being less technical isn't what I'm talking about holy shit. Sonic isn't shit because he's "harder" or "easier" his gameplay is objectively outdated and very fricking piss poorly coded compared to games today. He's called MODERN Sonic but he's literally as broken and unpolished as his games has been for over 20 years. Frontiers is more like a Xbox 360 era game visually and a PS1 era game coding wise that it's embarrassing to look at.
A Sonic game shouldn't be coming out looking like that compared to games like Crash 4 (Superstars) and Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart (Frontiers)
The game isnt nearly as broken as something like cyberpunk tho.
>A game isn't broken unless it's 06 tier
This is why zoomers shouldn't be allowed to have opinions because their worldview of standards for gaming is raped because of "patches" and "DLC".
A game used to come out better than the last, and if it failed to do that, it got shat on. Frontiers not being unplayable doesn't mean it's a golden standard.
>A game used to come out better than the last,
Based moron.
Yes, in the 90s, sequels like Sonic 2/3K, DKC2, Mario Bros 3/World, Mega Man 2, etc, would be praised for being better than the last
Games like CD, Japanese Mario 2, and shit like Pacman 2 the New Adventure would be hated on for being inferior than the last. And this is coming from someone that liked playing Pacman 2. But I would be a class A moron to claim it's the "right direction" of Pacman.
Sonic CD was praised at release you fricking moron.
By 2 people that watched the animated toei animation, not the entire fanbase that realized it was shit 15 years after release.
>Mario kart is nowhere near as good as ctr
hahahahaahahahhaha
sure, its human nature to want change, but changes aren't necessarily objectively good, per se. Look at the success of DQ11 despite its comparatively bare combat. That archaic-ness was something people wanted. By being "worse" people found more enjoyment out of it, it's not all black and white.
In regards to frontiers, the game maybe a bit poor in its individual parts, but it's novel in its culmination. A speedy open world-lite with a sandbox feel, combat and dark story. There's a reason the game found success in japan, it's mostly novel. Besides its a new game and the updates are improving a lot. Lets hope the next game really improves the formula now that it's found success(and more funding)
>but changes aren't necessarily objectively good, per se.
Then you make thme good
The problem with this argument you're forces is that Sonic never changed for the better, ever. All changes since S3K has been for the worse to anyone that played the games before each change that happens
Adventureshit sucks to classicgays
Boostshit sucks to adventuregays
Frontiers era will likely suck to boostgays
Etc etc.
You act like Sonic doesn't apply to this argument your shitting out. If anything I'm asking for shit people LIKE I just don't want it to be as poorly programmed as the day it was introduced, 20 years ago.
>make them good
haha I don't know if that's really how changes work. changes are changes, whether they are good or bad depends on the audience and if they could get a new audience.
>worse
ehh, that not really true. I personally like all eras of sonic, some more than others and some for completely different reasons. You could probably find disdain for older games from newer fans as well.
No need to get so aggressive, anon, we're just talking. Frontiers has found more success than all boost games and even adventure games. It's not like it's all doom and gloom. Cheer up, look to the future. Frontiers style works pretty well with adventure level design and iizuka wants to make an Adventure remake. We could get a neo-adventure game in the future.
>haha I don't know if that's really how changes work.
Then you literally have warped causality of reality. Might as well stop using Smart phones, Gaming computers or your Switch since you can't envision a world of improvements. Go back to Atari and see how much better it was back then compared to now, moron.
uhh wow, anon. Coming in a little aggressive. Take me out to dinner first.
I mean look at crts and how older games are hard to emulate properly without them. Change ain't a straight line. Heck you hav face scanners and built in drm for future tech, it's not all black and white.
Besides we were talking about game here, boy. Did you know turn based combat was an evolution of action based combat? Today it feels like the opposite, but it's true. In a sense drpgs are the pinnacle of rpgs, but they seem archaic to us. It's all subjective.
When it comes to sonic, you bet your fine ass that he'll keep changing. Maybe in way you didn't predict. Don't be too down.
>I mean look at crts and how older games are hard to emulate properly without them. Change ain't a straight line. Heck you hav face scanners and built in drm for future tech, it's not all black and white.
Ok, I'll humor you
While it could be said le CRTs is le better for people seething over raw pixel rendered sprites, the problem is, that ONLY applies to games DESIGNED for it, it's pointless to bring up when taking about modern HD games designed for HD tvs.
>Besides we were talking about game here, boy.
And yet you went on a tangent talking about fricking CRT when I was talking about video game standards from the start. Are you haven't a stroke and trying to hide it by calling me the "aggressive" one? Being passive aggressive is far more frown upon than direct aggression, because being direct shows how much you actually value your input, FYI
>When it comes to sonic, you bet your fine ass that he'll keep changing.
And I never said otherwise, I was the person that SAID humanity expects changes from technological growth since inception. Why did you flip the script like I wasn't the one pointing this out? Realized what you were shitting out was backfiring?
>no argument
Guess that settles that then, class dismissed.
I accept your concession.
Whatever you say anon, I'd say for your homework play some actually good games next time, leave the junkfood (Sonic) alone for a while.
Nice job pretending to have good taste.
Well it was just an example, anon. Geez, call it a bit of foreplay.
I wasn't being aggressive or anything, just playing around. Maybe that isn't your thing. Sorry, anon. I hope you don't hate me.
I just think you view on progress is unhealthy is all. Some things change for any multitude of reasons.
I feel that you're discounting sonic since he is clearly progressing and has many avenues to proceed. Just a bit of a schism in your arguments.
since there's really not much to worry with hime right now, things seem fine, just a little bumpy.
Plus, you can just play as Tails, and fly over the game, LMAO.
You know, Sonic hasn't had the easiest transition to 3D...
>"N-no, it's not okay that people like it! It's bad because... it's just bad, okay!"
Do you have any reasons for saying that or are you just angry?
Sonic Shitterstars looks like soulless goyslop compared to SMB Wonder. The fact that Arzest thinks they can compete with Nintendo is honestly kind of cute if not pitiable.
>The fact that Arzest thinks they can compete with Nintendo is honestly kind of cute if not pitiable.
>compete
Superstars was announced before anyone even knew Wonder was a thing, though. It doesn't even have a release date where Wonder does, just a "Fall of 2023".
I liked Boom more. Without gigachad Knuckles and Sticks this shit is boring.
The Murder Mystery VN was really fun. Hope they make more, or maybe try their hands at a sonic rpg.
the games peaked at Shadow and you're moronic for expecting things to get better
I think there is one thing that is important and you're missing there:
YES mascott plateformer need a good mascott. Its unfair, its bullshit, it's not gameplay, but it is how it is.
That's why people care about Sonic and Mario to this day, and not Spark or clones.
same could be said for Smash Bros clones
>An actual objectively superiority made Sonic Adventure styled game people could be playing instead of Shitiers
>It's locked behind PS5's Deams
It just goes to show why being a Nintendtard is the worse thing to have ever happened to Sonic. The Sony SEGA should have been this timeline and kept Sony from going trannie.
Doesn't look like it plays as good as Spark 3.
But anon no one plays spark because le Sonic isn't in the game. Even when given a game with Sonic in it they will ignore it because "le Snoy" or "le fan game" because if it isn't based Sonic Team that made it it's not "real Sonic".
Amy broke three of Sonic's ribs, broke his leg, and fractured his spine in two places in a domestic dispute.
But did she rape him?
4 times in a row.
Sonic hasn't been good in like 7 years.
Whoever tried to recommend that Dreams Sonic game frick you this game feels like shit
Just play SRB2.
I've already played it for like 70 hours
Are you coming at it as a Classicgay, Adventuregay, Boostgay or a Frontiersgay?
I agree with everything you said, but hasn't this been the state for sonic since 2011? Coping with shitty games isnt new
You're not supposed to agree with me, it's a shitpost thread.
Why does this thread even need to exist?
Sonic Underground already came out, and nothing will ever surpass it. What kind of subhuman trash even gives a frick about modern Sonic?
>Rafa knight is seething AGAIN over baby Sonic models
https://twitter.com/Rafaknight_rk/status/1689062013824057344
It's over. We will never have anything Sonic related ever again by fans because of autistic ken pender tier spergs like this.
brown make angrey
Sonic unleashed is one of my favourite games. I just want a remake
Any thoughts on her pink friend?
Infinitely better character design.
This is the most autistic fanbase I've ever seen, and I use to be a Pokemon fan.
Piss off, Pokemon fans are way worse.
It's both a curse and a blessing because Sonic fans sometimes concentrate their autism into making good fangames and other shit.
I'll never get over the fact that Pokemon fans keep updating Gameboy games but refuse to fix the awful translations.
Sonic was never good