>this symbol first appeared in zelda 2
>in zelda 1 there's only 2 triforce
Never even noticed until now.
>this symbol first appeared in zelda 2. >in zelda 1 there's only 2 triforce
>this symbol first appeared in zelda 2
>in zelda 1 there's only 2 triforce
Never even noticed until now.
A lot of video games are like this where the majority of the lore comes from the second or third game. The originals are always comparatively odd because a lot of shit wasn't standardized yet.
Name 10 games where that's the case.
Final Fantasy, Metroid, Mario, Mega Man, Street Fighter, Sonic the Hedgehog, Kirby, Mortal Kombat, Jak & Daxter, Rayman
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Zelda
Zelda 2
LTTP
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Windwaker
Twilight Princess
Skyward Sword
BotW
Almost all the lore in Elder Scrolls comes from Daggerfall
Yeah, quite a lot of the series staples are established in the third entry; Link to the Past.
It introduced things like heart containers, key items, the spin attack, two tiers of main dungeons.
Zelda 1 only having the Triforces of Power and Wisdom, is comparable to how Sonic 1 only had 6 chaos emeralds, not 7.
The introduction of the missing piece means granting a new power, such as the Triforce's wish granting, or the chaos emeralds' super transformations.
Heart containers are in Zelda 1.
I’m not going to argue about two tiered dungeons, but there is a dungeon where you take a staircase underground and come up in a different part of the dungeon. It’s just a hallway so I don’t really think it counts, but some autist could make the argument.
Sorry, yes heart containers were, I meant to say pieces of heart, but sometimes you accidentally type something different from what you meant, you know?
What I meant by tiers of dungeons, was that in LttP, OoT, TP, and even SS, you have three starter dungeons before a majority plot point takes place, and you go into the late game where you have the meaty second round of dungeons.
I guess it can be considered a three-act structure
Act 1: Intro + first three dungeons
Act 2: Major shake-up and main dungeons
Act 3: Final approach, dungeon, and final boss
Wind Waker had this structure as well, albeit shortened because they rushed it out.
>albeit shortened because they rushed it out.
Jabun just giving you that third pearl was so ass. Fish ass, even. Wasn't Hyrule supposed to be more fully explorable, too?
That makes sense. I thought you were talking about dungeons with multiple floors. You’re right though, LttP’s biggest contribution to the Zelda series was its story structure. Basically every game that came after had some version of
>do three easy dungeons
>get master sword
>do six or seven more difficult dungeons
Yep. The NES Zelda titles laid the groundwork but the more powerful SNES took all the prototype elements and combined them in a very satisfying way.
>prototype
this is where your newbie was shown.
Oh shut up. You know what I meant.
The game on the more powerful SNES was weaker overall than the NES games and its main merit itself was being a prototype for the N64 and gameboy games. LA and OoT really made Zelda into what people think of it as over LttP, as important of the advances it introduced were.
Contrarian babble.
Yep. In Zelda 1, Ganon gets the Triforce of Power, and in order to prevent him from gaining the Triforce of Wisdom, Zelda splits it up and you have to get all the pieces. Zelda 2 introduces the Triforce of Courage, which was hidden and is what Link is going after in that game.
Have they ever done like a fourth Triforce piece that goes in the middle or something?
The Triforce of Faith was supposed to be in ALTTP but NOA squashed it along with the rest of the Christian iconography.
I imagine there being four pieces of something called a Triforce also played into that.
well it was called the triforce in the first game and as stated by OP there were only 2 of them.
you dumb c**t
[citation needed]
Isn't three pieces more christian? Trinity=Triforce
There's a contingent of Zelda fans who genuinely don't understand that Christianity in general is just set-dressing to Japanese fantasy set in a Medieval European set as much as castles and wizards are. It would be like Japanese people INSISTING that Mortal Kombat was always a truly Buddhist series because Liu-Kang is a Shoalin Monk.
A lot of the changes made in LttP were so they could establish Hyrule as its own fantasy setting and not "Britain with the file numbers sanded off".
Also, the "official Nintendo guide" everyone keeps getting the painting of Link praying in front of a crucifix from was done by APE. Nintendo Power's Official Guide for OoT is more official than that and they insist that every game stars the same Link.
The Golden Goddesses still have Holy Trinity vibes in Ocarina of Time.
It is set-dressing, but it's there for a reason. The imagery of gothic churches (even for fictious settings) have become an inherent part of fantasy because it is grounded in reality. If a Japanese person identified a fictious version of Buddhism from a set-dressing, I would honestly completely understand and empathize with that. Zelda does not have literal Christianity, but it fundamentally does have a direct-ish equivalent by design. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, I personally think they added pagan and buddhist elements into the games as well.
*it's not really Christian*
Christianity makes up like 1% of Japan. It has a presence through cultural osmosis but like an anon stated above, it's just set dressing. It's why whenever you see nuns in anime they come off more like Japanese shrine maidens than authentic Catholic nuns.
A cross is just an accessory for the nips. They wear crosses around their neck just for fashion all the time. Gackt must've been a giga Christian with all the crosses he used to wear
>MFW people with room-temperature IQ still think Japs can take any form of monotheism seriously
Reminder that the Japanese government used to hunt for and execute Christian missionairies and converts in the past - they even invented a special stepping plate for detecting Christians too humble to deface Jesus (and I swear this is where that one old anti-Communist Protestant propaganda film got its own spin on such idea from)
>japanese officials persecuted christians in the 1500's, so this means a 1980's video game didn't use the cross in its western-style fantasy setting even though it did
We all really just had to read that.
the Japanese government...now do the Romans.
What did they do to Christians?
Gaius Flavius Valerius Constantinus is not my emperor
Yeah, but they think Christianity is cool, because it's an exotic outsider thing (the way you think Samurai are cool, probably, and not a bunch of jumped up cops going around murdering peasants).
Which has kind of looped around now so they seem to have more implicit respect for Christianity than the West who are fully in their "frick you, Dad!" phase over their whole Christian past.
Shield with Cross describes MOST medieval shields without an explicit coat of arms. Again; it's like thinking that having someone in a kung-fu film wearing a monk outfit means that it is deeply Buddhist.
>Shield with Cross describes
...Christian...thanks for confirmation
>Nintendo Power's Official Guide for OoT is more official
Nintendo of America content is not canon, friend.
Good
Wasn't there an inverted "Lorule" Triforce in A Link Between Worlds?
That would make it a Quadforce.
It was still the Triforce in the game that had only two of them
The third one hadn't made an appearance yet.
Trifource.
underrated comment.
It's named for being a triangle, not for there being three of them. Like
was getting at.
The Triforce of Courage was smuggled in Link's ass during the events of Zelda 1. There are no free rides in Hyrule - everyone puts in work.
Bull fricking shit
it's weird how when I was a kid in the 80s, before I knew who Tolkien was, before I had any exposure to any fantasy TV shows/movies/books whatsoever, I somehow knew, by Link's pointy ears, to call him an "elf". Like this is ancient knowledge. THIS is why Tolkien's elves are portrayed with pointy ears despite their ears being normal in the books -- it's because human species has a genetic memory of ACTUAL ELVES having pointy ears
I looked this up because I was curious and when fans asked Tolkien about hobbit ears he said they were "slightly pointed and elfish" which is pretty conclusive that elves had pointed ears as well, even if they weren't explicitly described that way.
I mean, Santa's elves were a thing, too. Plus the Keebler commercials.
Did Santa go to Middle Earth to bring back the elves or did they come to Earth on their own?
The 80s was a big decade for fantasy stuff. I was born in 82 and absorbed most of it through cultural osmosis. Tolkien didn’t invent the idea of elves, but he was the one that started using 'elves' and 'elvish' instead of elfs and elfish.
Elvish hash lefht the building
or its because you saw something with Elves(or Fairies since they kinda merge together) on it as a child that you forgot since Elves are one of the most commonly depicted mythological beings alongside Dragons and the pointy ears thing has been a common trait of Elves since the 1800s
It ties into the idea that leaving an "end of part 1, to be continued" message probably came very late. It wasn't even called the Triforce until late in development, when someone likely said "hey, what if we implied there's a lost third one for the sequel?"
>Link is a Christian
No one tell OP about the Tetraforce.
Don't forget that the triforce was supposed to be a computer chip and the game was supposed to involve time travel to the future.
Well observed. In LoZ there was the Triforce of Power and the Triforce of Wisdom. There was no Triforce of Courage and there was no concept of a combined, three triangle Triforce.
Here's the irl sauce in case anyone is interested
It's called the *Tri*force tho so evidently they planned on 3
It stands for the Holy Trinity since Link is a Holy Warrior of Christ.