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Thoughts?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bullshit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't there part where Rinoa says she wants time to stop? She is clearly Ultimecia...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hi OP
        I know you don't want to accept FF8 was badly written
        But it was
        Even if R = U it would still have a million other plotholes
        R = U does not fix the game
        The game is over 20 years old
        Move on

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Most potholes arent actually plotholes. It's just alot of turboretards dont understand the story.
          I've spoken to alot of people who were too fucking stupid to realise squall is Lagunas son for example.
          They acted surprised when I explained that to them....I mean wtf! Its a big part of the damn story yet retards missed that bit!?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Or maybe they just forgot. lol. What a stupid game.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe you should go back to playing your kiddy games on your beta switch?

              High IQ games clearly aren't your thing anon. You wana go play animal crossing? You can choose your pronouns now

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's crazy how many people missed that Rinoa is trans

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          funny guy. what I suspect it actually was, was thus:

          In FF7 the love interest dies. Square were trying to figure how to top that for FF8. They figured by making the love interest the main antagonist. Thus Rinoa/Ultimecia was born.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The game was actually meant to be x2 games originally. FF8 P1 would be all about Laguna and his story. FF8 P2 would be squalls.

            However squaresoft didnt have enough time to do this and were pressured by sony. Hence why lagunas story is gutted and is just in parts in ff8

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              well they def had a lot going on at that time. Square made straight-up 10 masterpieces in about 5-6 years The period from Chrono Trigger to FFIX..

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I miss squaresoft so much.....the kino they produced. It was great game after great game. Everything fell to pieces after FFX. I genuinely think they just got lucky with crisis core because everything else has been utterly shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Square didn't know they were beautiful then. Now they are arrogant and prideful.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      AHHHHH... IM SEARCHING FOR A REASON, MY MIND IS ON A JOURNEY...

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rinoa is trans. It's canon. It doesn't matter if the devs say otherwise, the story makes more sense if she is trans.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      literally the mindset of these retards

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's constantly supported by the game. The director said Rinoa isn't trans, but the fans who are smart enough to see he was lying when he said that know better.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It makes the story more interesting but was completely unintentional by the devs. They pretty much almost accidentally made it good.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rinoa = Tifa confirmed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that is more just Square recycling character designs...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wow, I really hate NuTifa on an instinctual level, since my reaction before I knew what was happening was "What an unflattering picture of Rinoa." even though I despise her.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Low IQ fanfiction that is constantly contradicted by the game.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, development was rushed at the end of 8 to get it out for the holiday season. They've tried asking the original writers and director what the Hell was supposed to be canon, and they barely know. Those wacky shippers/fans at least kind of put together something mildly logical.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Those wacky shippers/fans at least kind of put together something mildly logical.
        Like I said: constantly contradicted by the game. It is not "logical" to see patterns without the pieces that form the patterns, there are no secret clues hid in the game by a rogue dev. If there were they'd be obvious enough, what's happening is people aren't invested in the story VIII is telling so they wilfully misinterpret everything to force a reading that is not supported by the text.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >constantly contradicted by the game
          Constantly supported by the game.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've made my case often enough to learn that no one can refer to anything in the game itself to argue their "theory".

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Posting side-by-side scene comparisions of Rinoa and Ultimecia miming each other, or Ultimecia's establishment as a Time Witch and Rinoa's fear of time passing and how that's all paired with Kompression and Squall's death, the absolute rarity of witches in the world of FF8 and how Rinoa is a witch after her abduction, the physical characteristic similarities and how all witches are not identical to each other ("all witches look and act like Adel! Never mind Ellone..."), Rinoa quotations about staying with Squall forever even if by force, the speech by Ultimecia at the game's end about why she's doing the whole Time Kompression and how it's emotionally based out of love and fear, Lionheart btw did you know Squall's last name is Leonhart?, etc. etc. etc.

              No no no no no, there's NOTHING in the story or the game or the plot or the dialogue or the lore or the enemy descriptions or the weapon information NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING no precedent NO REASON for ANYONE to come to the conclusion that Ultimecia is the hundreds, maybe thousands of years old Rinoa who has gone insane and just want her life with Squall back. NOPE. Kitase, not a writer, said so, when interviewed MANY years later, after having been involved with dozens of other projects and never really cared for FF8 in the first place, and his word is Biblically divine and irrefutable. What? "Kitase refuted his own word and said it might be, don't think too hard about it?" NO HE DIDDNNNDNNDNDNDNDND'TT'TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT AAAHHHHHH

              I'm very happy you read my entire post <3

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Posting side-by-side scene comparisions of Rinoa and Ultimecia miming each other, or Ultimecia's establishment as trans and Rinoa's fear of time passing and how that's all paired with Kompression and Squall's death, the absolute rarity of trans girls in the world of FF8 and how Rinoa is trans after her abduction, the physical characteristic similarities and how all trans girls are not identical to each other ("all trans girls look and act like Adel! Never mind Ellone..."), Rinoa quotations about staying with Squall forever even if by force, the speech by Ultimecia at the game's end about why she's doing the whole Time Kompression and how it's emotionally based out of love and fear, Lionheart btw did you know Squall's last name is Leonhart?, etc. etc. etc.

              No no no no no, there's NOTHING in the story or the game or the plot or the dialogue or the lore or the enemy descriptions or the weapon information NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING no precedent NO REASON for ANYONE to come to the conclusion that Riona is trans. NOPE. Kitase, not a writer, said so, when interviewed MANY years later, after having been involved with dozens of other projects and never really cared for FF8 in the first place, and his word is Biblically divine and irrefutable. What? "Kitase refuted his own word and said it might be, don't think too hard about it?" NO HE DIDDNNNDNNDNDNDNDND'TT'TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT AAAHHHHHH

              I'm very happy you read my entire post <3

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        different anon here, never knew before that 8 was rushed. adding that to my list of Japanese games that were allegedly rushed, only because I'm realizing how often I hear about it. so far there's; Xenogears, Xenosaga 1, Dragon's Dogma, Shadow Hearts 3, Dark Souls 1, FF8. are there more? and the obvious question, why is this a seemingly common theme with Japanese devs?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You might as well include every single video game title in existence. There will always be someone with the claim it "wasn't finished yet" which equates to "rushed" which equates to "0/10."

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    outright refuted by devs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same devs who have changed their minds on various shit in the past. Not the same devs/writers or staff who fully worked on the project

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So have they changed their minds? Do you have quotes of anyone on the dev team disputing what Kitase has claimed?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You know alot of staff who worked for squaresoft left when they became square enix right? It's not the same group of people anymore. Just because 1 or 2 people stayed doesnt mean it's what those 1 or 2 people claim it is.

          Its literally the me3 ending bullshit with how the story got changed, ending ruined, writer silenced/fired, ego retard changing stuff to his vision.

          Remember when square enix claimed they'd keep tomb raider what it was and keep what made it what it is? Yeah that worked out didnt it....not woke playstation movie trash or anything...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So do you have quotes of anyone that was on the dev team disputing what Kitase has claimed or not?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              different anon here
              >baby's first logical phallacy: provide this VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION or else I AM RIGHT
              if you're gonna use logical phallacies at least dress it up a bit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                more like
                >disprove this VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION or else I AM RIGHT
                I'm not even saying I'm right or not, I'm asking for other people to prove their claim

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But my claim that rinoa is trans is correct. Everyone else has to prove it wrong. And they can't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                see

                see [...]
                By that logic I can claim anything that's even remotely feasible because no one can disprove it. You're a pedophile who fucks babies and it's true until you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's not true. See how that works?

                By that logic I also consider you a pedophile who fucks babies and it's true until you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's not true

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This exactly. Games of that size were written by an entire team most of which aren't even with the company anymore. Having one of them claim stuff might make them canon considering his authority in the team, but that doesn't make possible outcomes void in the first place.
            So as an example while it is canon that Squall didn't die, it's easy to see how anyone looking into the narrative can come to that interesting conclusion. IMO it saves FF8's writing from being complete utter trash and makes it into a unique and interesting take that makes alot of sense.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's not just about manipulation of time. It's about alternative time lines all bending together and trying to be controlled by ultimcia who has been shund by the rest of existence.

              In her reality squall most likely did die at the end of disk 1. Hence her power awakening and her trying to abuse time and space itself. Her GF is his lion heart after all. Everything shes doing is probably for him but as a result shes lost herself and become a threat to everything.

              The writing is messy for ff8 but it's too obvious when you see what's in front of u to claim theres no connection to all this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That very same dev (not a writer, btw) withdrew this very same claim. His withdrawal is more recent than this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        so post it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In the same quote Kitase admits he's not a writer and it's not his say. Now we're back to square one and it's incumbent upon (You) to prove that Rinoa is Ultimecia, so once again
            >do you have quotes of anyone that was on the dev team disputing what Kitase has claimed or not?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Kitase was the only one who "disagreed" in the first place and he was never the writer. Your "square 1" was already founded on irrelevant lies.

              Also, I'm not going to to argue with you about R=U because you don't care.
              Argue about "...whatever" I bet you'll love talking about translation and writing when you have multiple examples.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Kitase was the only one who "disagreed"
                And seemingly no one on the dev team or writers specifically have "agreed". If you want this to be true than you're going to have to offer up evidence that isn't just "Well Kitase DIDN'T disprove it"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, I'll go interview one of the writing staff. I'm sure they'll go into full detail and represent Square-Enix 2022.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                make it quick, the longer it takes the more people are going to realize that it's just fandom trying to enforce a theory rather an actual planned aspect of the story/narrative

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >nooooo Rinoa isn't trans!!!
                cope. the game supports it. the people who made it saying it isn't true is irrelevant.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                see

                >fans never lie about their fan theories being canon
                I look like Brad Pitt, am a millionaire and had sex with prime Selma Hayek. Since no one can disprove it, it must be true.

                By that logic I can claim anything that's even remotely feasible because no one can disprove it. You're a pedophile who fucks babies and it's true until you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's not true. See how that works?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Seems like the translators made Squall a better character.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              more basic Ganker mental gymnastics
              >PROVIDE ME THIS VERY SPECIFIC PROOF !!!!
              >anon actually provides it
              >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT !!!!!!!! I'M NOT MOVING THE GOLAPOSTS AT ALL!!! I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG!!!
              Do you even read what you post or?
              if Kitase is not a writer and it's not his say, why where you basing your entire fucking argument around the fact he said anything at all?
              are you fucking retarded?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >actually provides it
                that is not proof that Rinoa is Ultimecia though, that is proof that Kitase had to go back on what he said because "feasibly" Rinoa could be Ultimecia because he's not a writer. As said before, back to square one of people needing to put forth some kind of evidence that the dev actually wanted this to be a part of the story/narrative.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the dev
                What about "the writer?"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                writers are devs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Excellent. Multitudes of evidence that R=U is provided directly in game. Visually, textually, & sexually. I have complied with your demands.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Multitudes of evidence that R=U is provided directly in game
                a bunch of coincidences that were outright denied by Kitase who only backed off because it's "feasible" it could be true since he didn't write it, and seemingly no one on the dev team has stepped up to set the record straight

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Rinoa being trans not only makes sense, but it significantly improves the game. There are too many coincidences for it to not have been the plan. What does being stubborn achieve? Why can't you just accept it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're the only one screeching about that though, this discussion is about Rinoa being Ultimecia

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You haven't proven my theory wrong, because you can't. She's trans.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You haven't proven your theory and I really don't care about it. Goodbye.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well done, you just figured out why everyone thinks you're a joke

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >proven your theory
                It'd be fact, or LAW, then, wouldn't it?
                My theory is that Squall is a character in FF8. I can prove it, but because I can change the name of the character, I might be wrong!! That same dude is called "Leon" in Kingdom Hearts, so Squall actually never existed in FF8. Therefore, Seifer is Ultimecia's father.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                His canon name in the game is Squall. If it isn't then surely a dev would mention that it wasn't and people in S-E wouldn't refer to him as such.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If a dev says his name is Squall, there's a chance they weren't telling the truth at the time. If asked again later they might say otherwise. We can't really trust the devs on this one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                except every time we see Squall they still call him Squall

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why don't they call rinoa ultimecia? very strange

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it's almost as if they're two different characters or something

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But what if a dev came back and rescinded that remark???

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Then they rescinded their remark? Did S-E change the canon because of that?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you are very dumb

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You're the only one
                That's not true,

                Instantly handwaved away as
                >evidence = COINCIDENCES
                >A BUNCH of coincidences, btw
                >AND KITASE SAID, "NUH UH!" So his word is divine.
                >What? Kitase rescinded that remark? And you can prove it? You did?
                >...WELL

                You don't want FF8 discussion, you want a Monty Python sketch.

                No no no, you hold your hands on the side of your head and say, "WAAAHHH!!"
                Try it again-

                has my back.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Instantly handwaved away as
                >evidence = COINCIDENCES
                >A BUNCH of coincidences, btw
                >AND KITASE SAID, "NUH UH!" So his word is divine.
                >What? Kitase rescinded that remark? And you can prove it? You did?
                >...WELL

                You don't want FF8 discussion, you want a Monty Python sketch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                once again, Kitase saying it's "feasible" doesn't mean it's canon
                Do you know what feasible means?
                If you want this idea to be canon then someone on the dev team has to acknowledge it was a planned part of the game, not just something that "feasibly" could be true just because of coincidences

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But using that logic you could say rinoa isn't trans.
                I don't like this.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No no no, you hold your hands on the side of your head and say, "WAAAHHH!!"
                Try it again-

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you hold your hands on the side of your head and say, "WAAAHHH!!"
                ironic considering there's nothing that canonizes Rinoa being Ulitmecia in the game yet people are still crying that it's true

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing that canonizes Rinoa being Ulitmecia in the game
                There's a considerable about of evidence that can be pointed to that has led an exponential amount of individuals to the same conclusion that Rinoa becomes Ultimecia in the time-warping reality world of Final Fantasy 8 and that Time Kompression is the same desire between both women. Rinoa is sane, Ultimecia is insane (and very old).

                >There's no evidence
                >Yes there is.
                >That's coincidence. And Kitase said
                >It was not coincidentally coded into the game and Kitase withdrew his comment
                back and forth, back and forth
                Internet is such an intellectual place where people discuss their interests.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >an exponential amount of autistic children

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >There's a considerable about of evidence
                and nothing that absolutely verifies it, which makes it a fan theory and not canon
                Of course a dev could verify that it's the truth but so far none have

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >and nothing that absolutely verifies it
                Guess it's only a theory, huh? A "feasible" one, too!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                feasibility is not the same as canon or truth
                feasibly I could make 10 coin flips in a row end up with heads but that doesn't mean it'll happen

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Btw, until a dev of Planet Earth tells me it's 4.6 billion years old, it's just a theory for autistic humans who look for evidence and piece together stuff. Of course, a Planet Earth dev could verify it, but so far none have.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                correct, glad we can agree on that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >R=U is hard scientific fact
                This is the point we're at, huh?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kitase only directed the game, he probably had no idea what the story was. That's for the writers to know. Kitase doesn't even know who Squall is.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                see

                >Multitudes of evidence that R=U is provided directly in game
                a bunch of coincidences that were outright denied by Kitase who only backed off because it's "feasible" it could be true since he didn't write it, and seemingly no one on the dev team has stepped up to set the record straight

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >creatives never lie about their work in interviews

      bruh

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >fans never lie about their fan theories being canon
        I look like Brad Pitt, am a millionaire and had sex with prime Selma Hayek. Since no one can disprove it, it must be true.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not really what I was getting at lol. I was more saying that just because the artist says things about the work after the fact, doesn't make it true. They can say whatever they want about it after and it doesn't make it true.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >just because the artist says things about the work after the fact, doesn't make it true
            We can only go by the creator's claims, so if someone is going to claim something about the game then it needs to come from one of the creators at the very least. Muddying the waters with WELL THEY COULD JUST CHANGE THEIR MIND doesn't absolve anyone from having to prove their point.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm confident that one day Kitase will see my favourite R=U youtube video and then go on record saying that an autistic guy in america figured it out, and it's officially canon now

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              are you trying to tell me that they accidentally did this?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's also ignoring the white wings Rinoa has on her sweater. They're meaningless! Final Fantasy writing never ever draws visual references into its storytelling. Never before and never since! Seifer having the same gunblade stance as movie-star Laguna is coincidence, too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Riona's dog is called Angelo, which proves Squall died when hit by that ice.
                Don't let anyone tell you that it's a "coincidence"
                Riona's dog Angelo is PROOF Squall is dead

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All named sorceresses in the game have a wing motif.

                are you trying to tell me that they accidentally did this?

                Rinoa is saying that because she's moments away from being sent back to the orbit in a plastic wrap prison.

                >Now that's a new one, how do you reconcile it with Adel being imprisoned by estharian technology specifically designed to contain a powerful sorceress
                Good heavens. This must be Ultimecia, then!
                Also, you're confusing "Rinoa" with "Edea."

                Adel wouldn't be seething on radio waves if she could use her powers to escape.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Serious question: You seem to be 100% certain that this theory is true and are angry that anyone doubts it.
                If it's true, why would the people who made the game not admit it? Do you think they wrote it into the game, then all agreed to make it vague, and promise to never reveal it? And if anyone figures it out, they know to just lie and deny it?
                Why?

                Do you honestly think that's likely, on the grounds that Rinoa has an angel wing design on her sweater?
                You do know the reason Sephiroth had one wing in Advent Children, right? Because Nomura thought it was cool. It's not any deeper than that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Would you talk about it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If I wrote R=U into the game and someone in an interview asked me if I wrote R=U into the game, I would say yes, I wrote R=U into the game.

                Why would I not? Why would there be a cover up? Why does this plot thread which apparently makes the story a million times better and fixes all its problems need to be kept secret?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Me too. Good thing IGN chooses who they interview and tell Sony, "no, I won't write my magazine article by speaking with the person you send me. I have choices!"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes anon, it's a major conspiracy. Let's recap:

                R=U was written into the game.
                Everyone who worked on the game then buried that plot thread so only autistic people could figure it out a decade or two later.
                They also swore to never tell anyone that R=U and even after it was discovered, they have to pretend it's not true.

                This is what you're claiming, and anyone who doubts it is an idiot, and makes you mad.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think that it was, at some early point in the planning of FF8, what they intended to do.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Thus there is all this leftover plot threads that point to it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Similarly, Rinoa is trans

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >R=U was written into the game.
                Provable fact.

                >Everyone who worked on the game then buried that plot thread so only autistic people could figure it out a decade or two later.
                Provable fact!

                >They also swore to never tell anyone that R=U and even after it was discovered, they have to pretend it's not true.
                Because Kitase said it once, it is PROVABLE FACT!!

                This is what you've stated, and if you try to doubt yourself, this burning truth of mine glows with an awesome power.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >so only autistic people could figure it out a decade or two later.
                You mean in three months and sixteen days. Or to be precise two days after it was even possible.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                sarcasm aside.Rinoa is clearly Ultimecia. The reason that she doesn't recognize the party in the final battle is because of the GF-induced memory loss. Squall, Zell, Quisits, Selphie, Irvine, Seifer died ages ago in her world and she doesn't remember them, or who she used to be. The game states that sorceress' have an unnaturally long lifespan, look at how Edea looks young even tho she's probably the same age as Cid. And the fact the Ultimecia has that Griever GF who resembles Squall! All of this is pure coincidence and they didn't intend any of it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ultimecia didn't have any junctioned GFs. Sorceresses don't need them since they are naturally powerful and capable of using magic. Griever was probably the first GF Ultimecia ever junctioned, and she created it DURING that battle.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'd like to see the rinoa = trans deniers faces now that irrefutable proof has been presented.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There's no accident though
                Time Compression isn't freezing time, it's time existing all at once. "Rinoa" existing all by herself and being paranoid about SeeD trying to kill her isn't at all the same thing as Squall saving her from dying and her being happy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You know kitase wasnt the writer and japanese are pridefull autistic pricks when you do shit better than them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        so show me one of the writers refuting his claim then

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rinoa was Ultimecia, yes.
    She just wasn't --yet--.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This would imply Aerith was the love interest and not a purposeful wedge between the real Cloud's affection for Tifa.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Alright now hold on
      Let's not pretend Rinoa ACTUALLY gave a fuck about bettering the world in the first disk. All that Forest Owl bullshit was an excuse for her to get back at her daddy because like every teenager girl with an inattentive stern father she has loads of issues with him.
      She was never in any long term danger doing that shit. Yes, she could have theoretically died doing something stupid but she wouldn't have had to live up to the consequences of her actions. The shmuck simps who followed her around would have been executed but she would have thrown into her father's custody under house arrest, forced to live in her big state house for X number of years until the whole event was forgotten about and swept under the carpet as her being coerced into being a co-conspirator by Stutterer and IBS-man instead of being the defacto leader.

      The SECOND shit started to get too real she crumpled. She didn't start nutting up until the second disk when she realized which boy she wanted to cling to for guidance and safety.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        she's trans, after all

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would have been pretty good and would have elevated Ultimecia from "literally who?"-tier to perhaps one of the best big FF bads.
    And that is the reason why this idea is so persistent and it will never go away.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I heard about a theory that Ultimecia is the one who wins in the end.

    Basically this. A sorceress transfers her powers onto another female when she dies. Ultimecia is defeated, she goes into past, transfers her powers onto Edea/Matron. Edea aka Matron gains experience and 'Ultimecia' in her become stronger. When she is defeated again she does the same thing, but now she is powerful than the last time. She does this cycle until grows more powerful. Then she kills everyone, but obviously, that is not shown in the game as this happens later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Actually that system tells us the opposite. If in some future Ultimecia were to win, then time will Kompress and the game cannot happen. As such it proves that eventually a future loop Rinoa will grow powerful enough to kill Ultimecia for good instead.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know, Ultimecia quite literally possesses Rinoa's body in a time and a place where Squall is present, but completely ignores Squall and instead goes to free Adel while dumping Rinoa into the orbit to die once she's no longer needed. If there was actual intention to make Ultimecia a future version of Rinoa, they wouldn't have wasted a prime opportunity like that. Or, hell, when Squall finally confronts Ultimecia in person during time compression. For someone supposedly motivated by one thing and one thing only (Squall) Ultimecia gives absolutely no shits about him on a personal level.

    Or maybe, just maybe, Ultimecia is not Rinoa.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1. Ultimecia DID NOT possess Rinoa.
      2. ADEL possessed Rinoa, and Adel FREED HERSELF, and then discarded Rinoa.
      3. Ultimecia is insane after hundreds upon hundreds of years of isolate living. I know this will be painful to remember, but, remember Grandpa? As much as he loves Grandma, he won't remember her when he's going insane from dementia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But adel is ultimcia

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >ADEL possessed Rinoa
        Now that's a new one, how do you reconcile it with Adel being imprisoned by estharian technology specifically designed to contain a powerful sorceress, which implicitly includes sealing away her sorceress powers? Or how just moments later when Ellone sends Squall's consciousness into the past we find out that Ultimecia has been possessing Rinoa's body since the end of disc 2, literally showing Ultimecia give instructions to Seifer as Rinoa and then projecting her astral image thing to tell Ellone to fuck off?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Now that's a new one, how do you reconcile it with Adel being imprisoned by estharian technology specifically designed to contain a powerful sorceress
          Good heavens. This must be Ultimecia, then!
          Also, you're confusing "Rinoa" with "Edea."

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would she try to kill her boyfriend?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >People debating age old theory
    >mentally ill gays STILL cannot help but bring up trannies at every opportunity.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kitana and Shindel are two diff characters. Is this some duality of woman shit? the daughter and the mother?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Squall should have just killed Rinoa, saved us many hours, and became a life and sex sim with Quistis.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the only canon theory is that shitnoa is the worst girl ever and squall deserves someone better

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the only canon theory is that shitnoa is the worst girl ever and squall deserves someone better

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Squall deserved to be dead in cd1

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Always felt Rinoa being Ultamecia was suppose to be subtle like with the hints of Laguna being Squall's father. The game does not simply flat out tell you.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Always felt Rinoa being trans was suppose to be subtle like with the hints of Laguna being Squall's father. The game does not simply flat out tell you.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    dunno what u guys are talking about but I like Ff8 a lot, it's a gr8 gayme

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed. I've played it all the way through multiple times. Great soundtrack, too.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nojima could release an official statement tomorrow saying the theory is wrong, R = U was never the intention or considered at any point during the creation of FFVIII, and you can bet every weird gay who clings to this theory would say he's wrong and keep going.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It makes the game more interesting

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's no denying Rinoa being trans would be more interesting

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Only women can use magic in FF8 without GF. Quistis has blue magic,, Selphie has slots, Rinoa has angel wing or whatever it is where she randomly uses spells.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And trans women are women. Adel could use magic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Adel was ogre from tekken 3 sister

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you can't prove this isn't true, so it's true.
              now we wait for the devs to debunk it, but also claim they're wrong when they do.

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