I think it's fine as long as they don't do it too much in a single game
Having too much copy pasted stuff just feels lazy and fighting the same thing over and over ruins replay-ability to an extent
A boss is built up to be an event, while enemies are just obstacles to cut through. Having a boss become an enemy means that the player feels like they've gotten so much stronger that something previously built up as a boss is now just a mere enemy to them.
Doing it the other way around means that the enemy that never felt like a threat is now trying to be respected as a boss. (On the other hand, if the enemy whips out a new advanced moveset/power and DEMANDS respect from the player, that's kino.)
Kino as long as you YOU, the player, have grown stronger since the boss fight so that the former "boss" now seems like a common enemy. It's shit if they just nerf a boss to make a dumbed down "common enemy" variant
Capra demon was perfectly fine. It even made sense with how the game was paced. You get told that this super powerful demon has somehow climbed from beneath the sewers. You are basically given a taste of things that await you down there.
In Elden Ring was moronic because some bosses were either overused (erdtree avatar) or straight up reusing important characters as boss fights.
it's nice, gives you a sense of progression
What isn't nice is fighting something as a regular enemy first and then fighting it as a boss. Or fighting it as a boss, then a regular enemy, and then as boss again. Or when the boss version is the easiest incarnation of them.
It has to be pretty far later into the game and preferably done with some restraint. Just look at Elden Ring where you fight a dragon in a swamp then 2 hours later you find an area where the same dragon has been copy pasted everywhere, it cheapens the entire experience.
Cheapens the whole thing in my opinion. Capra/Taurus Demon should’ve been unique, however there should’ve been stronger demons below in a fully realized, fleshed out Izalith. The duo should have been punks and weaklings who despite their power were chased out for being two weak among the stronger ones deeper in the Earth. The kind of demons that actually make you question how any of the Black Knights came out “unharmed” sans their armor.
They’re demons spawned from a perversion of a soul by a demented pyromancer. They shouldnt all look the same and they arent even animals. Theres no evidence they suffer any biological function outside of the need to destroy anything in their path like the Chaos Flame they spawned from.
Part of the reason it works in Dark Souls is because in the original fight you're not just fighting the boss itself but the fact you're in such a confined space. When he shows up again later, you're not just stronger but can approach him more carefully.
I remember liking it in games like Castlevania: Symphony of the Night since it was a cool way to showcase just how strong your character has become when you're one-shotting previous bosses.
Doom eternal does it a few times but I don't mind. Every enemy type is a carefully tuned "chess piece" for the devs to use against the player. First playthrough I was a bit disappointed when doom hunters kept showing up but it makes sense when you consider how long it takes to design an ai like that
the only problem with it in das is they did it with all the care and thought of an 11 year old drag and dropping assets in rpgmaker, the beginning of demon ruins feels like a bad romhack with 8 minotaurs standing in the middle of a completely flat volcano wasteland
Boss versions of enemies should at least be given recolors and slight stat adjustments. There needs to be some small if tangible quality that gives it its boss-ness otherwise they become underwhelming.
It's actually really cool. I think I have encountered this in Doom/Doom 2/Plutonia.
It feels powerful, even if you don't actually rise in stats (like with Doom), you can feel how much stronger you become by slaughtering dozens of barons and cyberdemons.
I don't really like Dark Souls example, sure, the first time it feels really good when you mow down 7 Taurus Demons and 6 Capra Demons, but they are spammed poorly in one place and in open area. Capra Demon in the open is really weak to projectile attacks.
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I think it's fine as long as they don't do it too much in a single game
Having too much copy pasted stuff just feels lazy and fighting the same thing over and over ruins replay-ability to an extent
cringe opinion
cool when it's in the final area of the game, just goes to show how op the last boss is
>enemy appears a few times before also appearing as boss
>:~~*(
>enemy appears as boss before appearing as enemy
:*~~))
why is Ganker like this?
A boss is built up to be an event, while enemies are just obstacles to cut through. Having a boss become an enemy means that the player feels like they've gotten so much stronger that something previously built up as a boss is now just a mere enemy to them.
Doing it the other way around means that the enemy that never felt like a threat is now trying to be respected as a boss. (On the other hand, if the enemy whips out a new advanced moveset/power and DEMANDS respect from the player, that's kino.)
Kino as long as you YOU, the player, have grown stronger since the boss fight so that the former "boss" now seems like a common enemy. It's shit if they just nerf a boss to make a dumbed down "common enemy" variant
These guys are OK it makes sense that they're somewhat common demons
shit if they're just reskins
good if they're as powerful as they were when you first encountered them but you scaled so far past them that they now appear weak
kino if still still as powerful as bosses and you just have to fight entire fricking bosses as regular enemies now
Capra demon was perfectly fine. It even made sense with how the game was paced. You get told that this super powerful demon has somehow climbed from beneath the sewers. You are basically given a taste of things that await you down there.
In Elden Ring was moronic because some bosses were either overused (erdtree avatar) or straight up reusing important characters as boss fights.
it's nice, gives you a sense of progression
What isn't nice is fighting something as a regular enemy first and then fighting it as a boss. Or fighting it as a boss, then a regular enemy, and then as boss again. Or when the boss version is the easiest incarnation of them.
It has to be pretty far later into the game and preferably done with some restraint. Just look at Elden Ring where you fight a dragon in a swamp then 2 hours later you find an area where the same dragon has been copy pasted everywhere, it cheapens the entire experience.
Cheapens the whole thing in my opinion. Capra/Taurus Demon should’ve been unique, however there should’ve been stronger demons below in a fully realized, fleshed out Izalith. The duo should have been punks and weaklings who despite their power were chased out for being two weak among the stronger ones deeper in the Earth. The kind of demons that actually make you question how any of the Black Knights came out “unharmed” sans their armor.
>Capra/Taurus Demon should’ve been unique
No, they are normal creatures living in the equivalent of hell in Dark Souls.
They’re demons spawned from a perversion of a soul by a demented pyromancer. They shouldnt all look the same and they arent even animals. Theres no evidence they suffer any biological function outside of the need to destroy anything in their path like the Chaos Flame they spawned from.
>Theres no evidence they suffer any biological function
Well you just made up a lot of shit so might as well invent something for that too
Part of the reason it works in Dark Souls is because in the original fight you're not just fighting the boss itself but the fact you're in such a confined space. When he shows up again later, you're not just stronger but can approach him more carefully.
I remember liking it in games like Castlevania: Symphony of the Night since it was a cool way to showcase just how strong your character has become when you're one-shotting previous bosses.
Best when done without a leveling system so you're expected to surpass the former boss easily by pure skill and/or new tools/weapons in your arsenal
Doom eternal does it a few times but I don't mind. Every enemy type is a carefully tuned "chess piece" for the devs to use against the player. First playthrough I was a bit disappointed when doom hunters kept showing up but it makes sense when you consider how long it takes to design an ai like that
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I say only fine for the first boss to see how far you've gotten, should be in the final areas before the final boss.
How about when a boss comes back as a boss?
>I will never look like this
Why even bother...
the only problem with it in das is they did it with all the care and thought of an 11 year old drag and dropping assets in rpgmaker, the beginning of demon ruins feels like a bad romhack with 8 minotaurs standing in the middle of a completely flat volcano wasteland
Only game that did it well was ZOE2.
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Boss versions of enemies should at least be given recolors and slight stat adjustments. There needs to be some small if tangible quality that gives it its boss-ness otherwise they become underwhelming.
It's actually really cool. I think I have encountered this in Doom/Doom 2/Plutonia.
It feels powerful, even if you don't actually rise in stats (like with Doom), you can feel how much stronger you become by slaughtering dozens of barons and cyberdemons.
I don't really like Dark Souls example, sure, the first time it feels really good when you mow down 7 Taurus Demons and 6 Capra Demons, but they are spammed poorly in one place and in open area. Capra Demon in the open is really weak to projectile attacks.
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Lazy shit.