Thoughts on how Baldur's Gate 3 retconned Viconia as a character? Her potential romance with the Bhaalspawn was obviously discarded, and she's nowhere near neutral aligned. In fact, she's so easily thrown away as a character despite being so iconic in the series. Both Jaheira and Minsc talk shit about her too, it's like Larian just wanted to see her dead.
You forgot to mention that she's a drow, a century isn' THAT much for her, and yet they still slammed her with the wall
Hasn't it been like 170 years? But yeah, you are correct. Jaheira looking old is understandable, she's a half elf after all, but Viconia looking as old as she does, yeah no.
It's not about age morons
So that must be why israelites, homosexuals and trannies look so fricking ugly? Also keked from wholesome chud
BG3 canonized the other ending, where she didn't romance the Bhaalspawn and remained an evil Sharran b***h. Simple as.
They discarded her OTHER non-romanced ending as well. It's like she's a completely different character.
They mention in one like she murdered her Waterdeep sect, but retcon it so she did it for shits and giggles rather than being betrayed
Larian never played Baldur's Gate in their lives, have they?
Otherwise, they would know that Viconia was never a Saturday morning supervillain doing shit for shits and giggles.
BG3 is just DOS3, of course Larian never bothered to play the games which they leeched off.
She's a Drow. She is a Saturday morning supervillain. It's baked into her genetic code.
You've never played Baldur's Gate in your life, have you?
I mean her arc in this game was completely canon with her non-romance ending. She literally mentions going to Waterdeep and murdering her entire group there, which is exactly what happens in her non-romance ending.
Canonically, she is cruel & evil as frick, even if your actions in BG1&2 can mitigate that somewhat.
>She literally mentions going to Waterdeep and murdering her entire group there, which is exactly what happens in her non-romance ending
She murdered the group because they betrayed her, this has been retconned to Shar ordering her to murder them for shits and giggles. She also saved Suldanesselar and was accepted by the high elves in the non-romance ending. Retconned out entirely, it would be too incongruent with the caricature they wanted to turn her into.
She was evil, but never cruel as frick and you could change her alignment to neutral in BG2. Of course, you'd have known all that if you had actually played that game instead of relying on biased 4th hand accounts on what happened.
You know nothing about FR drow, do you?
Bet you know even less. What is chad-zak, for instance?
Something that some very edgy Dragon Magazine writer came up with around early 2000's and everybody told him to frick off, because shit was embarrasing.
>retcon it so she did it for shits and giggles
They retconned by saying that it was Shar who told her to do it
No baldur‘s gate character is allowed to have even a semi decent ending okay?
Can‘t have them outshine wotc‘s own shitty characters despite being way more popular
What's wrong with Jaheira? She's been hardened and grown cynical after being stuck in a DnD campaign for 100 years where life is an unending cycle of the same shit with a different coat of paint.
You can even remind her that doing the right thing is worth it.
Jaheira is the only returning char who gets it better off after Larian’s writing. Bg2 ended with her having a dysfunctional relationship with the harpers, in 3 she’s leading them
>leading eco terrorists
How is that better
They aren't eco terrorist, just terrorist
Harpers are also whitewashed a lot, they are no longer the horrible group of homosexuals who think for every life saved there should be some innocent who should be brutally raped and murdered and are just avengers
>they are no longer the horrible group of homosexuals who think for every life saved there should be some innocent who should be brutally raped and murdered
They weren't that neutrally moronic
I mean yeah it's a fricking exaggeration anon but their whole deal was that there should be equal bad and good stuff in the world and they do commit a frickton of evil stuff or let them happen just because of that
Redeeming her in BG2 means she dies
Better than being a random minor villain in the sequel that's for sure
Truth
My former wife
Who's that?
Viconia.
Zdenka Podkapova
The REAL Viconia
La goblina
I liked BG1 portrait style despite some of them aren't looking good. BG2 style is too cartoony.
cringe
ugly
and don't even look like a drow
I like her facial features, but she doesn't look like a drow skin wise.
>Both Jaheira and Minsc talk shit about her too
Pretty sure they did that in first two games as well.
>everyone saying she hit the wall
She still looks hot. The issue is that she shouldn't look like she aged that much though.
I'm pretty sure she was fairly mature even by drow standards back in 1-2
Was she really? Been a while since I played.
Yeah don't make me repeat myself.
Uhhh right
Nice cherrypicking. She looks like a hag.
Looks like Squidward.
That's what I was implying by posting that pic moron
Your pic is actually way forgiving.
Imagine what Drizzt would look like.
Like a manlet he is, I imagine.
Buff and handsome, because it doesn't feed the dreaded Hetero Male Gaze.
Men don't age, just look at Minsc
Dude was petrified
Thats what prostitutes say to cope
Post wall Julia Voth?
Does someone at Larian hate her or what?
Western devs hate attractive females.
Jeez she aged way too much for a drow
Keep consooming pozzed leftoid goyslop so journos can keep being degenerate hypocrites, it's only bad if straight men enjoy it. 🙂
not canon. viconia romanced charname and had a son with him
Canon is the terrible books (see Heroes of Baldur's Gate or Murder in Baldur's Gate WotC module). Larian actually cares too much about lore as it's following WotC's characterization of Viconia and the others, and Viconia is irredeemable sword-fodder like all drow not named Drizzt. Drow are so bad that they're one of the few races who it's okay for a classical paladin to torture and still remain good. You can and should kill them on sight no matter what their age or gender is.
>it's following WotC's characterization of Viconia and the others, and Viconia is irredeemable sword-fodder like all drow not named Drizzt
In the Heroes of Baldur's Gate module she creates a hidden sanctuary for driders in memory of the brother who sacrificed himself for her to get out. She has never been as evil as you claim her to be.
>Heroes of Baldur's Gate
Not published by WotC
>Canon is the terrible books (see Heroes of Baldur's Gate
of Baldur's Gate
>Not published by WotC
homie, what are you smoking? And where has Wizards ever mentioned Viconia in anything if you disregard HoBG?
I'm not fricking with you. Heroes of Baldur's Gate was released under WotC's DM's Guild thing. Basically Wizard's allows 3rd parties to publish things in their settings with their characters but if they don't publish it it's not considered canon.
Arcanum Worlds published HoBG
Compare that cover to that of an official adventure, released the same year
Anon, I know it's not official. I've read it. I don't disagree with you. But Heroes of Baldur's Gate was first mentioned to support the claim that Viconia is irredeemably evil in Wizards canon, and the actual module does not support this at all.
I guess you're not the anon who made the original claim after all, but it seemed that it was some quick backpedaling and goalpost moving when called out about a blatant lie.
I'm still curious, if we disregard HoBG, where has Wizards ever mentioned Viconia in anything? She was not mentioned in Murder and I don't remember her getting mentioned in the shitty books either. Though people and Wizards keep ignoring stuff from the books anyway, in them Minsc was a redhead and he quit adventuring to work in the Copper Coronet.
viral marketing. frick off tencent
>GENUINE VIDEO GAME DISCUSSION? NOOOOOOOOOO MUST BE PAID SHILLING /vpol/ WOULD NEVER DO THIS
i say it with the utmost sincerity when I say end it all
I'm still trying to forget what they did to her so I hope you stub a toe for bringing this shit up.
I just find the whole game hilariously stupid. They changed her voice, aged for no good reason. Put in some b***h in a permanent mascara as her daughter. Just lol. And there's the whole tadpole nonsense that just makes all of the writing look like a joke. It's a laughing stock.
>Put in some b***h in a permanent mascara as her daughter
I must have missed this this. Where is Viconias daughter?
I may be mistaken because Shadowhearts says to her "Let go, Mother".
She's shadowheart's mother superior in the church and she raised her after she 'rescued' her. She's not her biological mother.
Why is shar so stupidly self destructively evil? I thought it might be interesting with shaowheart at first. Oh cool she's willing to do something to stop the bad guys when moralgays are paralysed by law or ethics.
>Act 2
>Help you with my own curse? Get fricked
>Help with Kethric? have a nice day
>Help fight the cult? Lol, lmao
Not to mention the whole shadowheart story is a literal psyop for no payoff on shars end?
I don't even get the god shit, there's that whole bs about "Ao not liking gods meddling with mortals" that Gale spouts but then Myrkul just transforms one dude into a giant skeleton
the dead three aren't bound by god rules during the events of bg3 because they're not quite gods, its relevant to the plot.
oh ok
Not to mention that Viconia saying that she once had a huge coven in Waterdeep before Shar ordered her to purge it because "lol".
Wait what? Does she say that in this game?
She does yeah
Retcon then
here
This particular pic seems to be taken from low graphics settings, but nothing redeems
anyway. She only looks passable in the faraway shot, standing in shadow.
that is in character for shar. Dont know if you noticed, but Shar is pretty, and moronic. she only exists to ruins peoples lives so they beg her to make them forget.
Shar
>We should look into this absolute cult with the dead 3 and possibly apocalyptic mindflayer empire revival could put a damper on conversion rates
Also, Shar
>Constantly tries to frick with the only people who can stop it
This shit is a threat to her, is she really stupid evil?
She's neutral evil what did you expect? The only evil alignment that gets shit done in lawful evil.
Neutral Evil should have self-preservation at the very least.
Shes an immortal evil god who is mirrored with an immortal good god. So long as either she or Selune gets followers, the other also gets stronger.
Shar is literally all of the evils of women encapsulated in one. All she wants to do is frick with people and manipulate them into doing awful things for her.
shar was always the stupid flavor of evil
Maybe it's a good thing they didn't touch Edwin.
He's dead. Not like it matters though.
>He
Not in my BG2 save.
Yeah but death is a minor inconvenience in DnD, especially if there's nostalgia to milk.
*Edwina.
Edwin was a fricking r*dditor
>you simians may call me “sir”
I killed him immediately
That ugly hag is NOT my Viconia. My cute wife looks like picrelated and NO, she's not dead because of some dumb poison, frick off.
And yes, I prefer her Siege of Dragonspear portrait, deal with it.
>And yes, I prefer her Siege of Dragonspear portrait, deal with it.
Gay as frick.
What's wrong with it?
>the Emperor mindflayer was actually Balduran all along!
What a fricking pointless asspull
Wait, WHAT. When is that implied/stated?
Part of Wyll's quest chain where you find the secret dragon boss under Baldur's Gate in Act 3.
Do you need to not have him break the pact for that? His quest remained in my log, with no further updates, after breaking the pact. He barely even cared when Mommy Mizora murdered his father.
It's buggy. Mine never updated because I didn't attend Gortash's ceremony. Then it stated that the Duke was killed in the Iron Throne after that quest bugged out and none of the prisoners would move.
The objective of attending the ceremony never went away though.
You can go to the dragon without his quest. Dragon is in wyrm rock prison. Easy to google.
I knew that schizo old man was trying to tell me something.
>when Mommy Mizora murdered his father.
I gave his soul to her and saved his Father. His father gave me the clue to find the dragon. I'm assuming you can do it without the clue. I really hope I can do a min/max playthrough without needing some of the shit by just being knowledgeable about where to go and how to get there.
If you break the bond and find your way to the underground prison, when you try to pull the dukd out, mizora pops in, commands the duke to kneel and spawns a bunch of exploding spiders. Then you cast dimension door and escape.
Emperor was a dogshit character. He is evil and he does not have a soul.
No aberration has a soul.
canon should have had her burned at the stake in Ath
Still can't beat this old bastard
I AM A GOD!
HOW CAN YOU KILL A GOD!?
WHAT GRAND AND INTOXICATING INNOCENCE!
*slurp*
Him roasting the dumb Dove was my favorite part.
Just hit him hard that's what I did and worked if you can't then jokes on you for not rolling monk
what
Its a grug thing you wouldn't get it
Kino Myrkul. Really shows what good writing looks like. While I like Larian, writing and story telling has never been their strength.
>despite being so iconic in the series
i let her live tho
>Plenty of BG1/2 Companions you could pull from which fans like, who shouldn't be dead due to the passage of time, and who aren't romanceable and therefore don't have any Bhaalspawn baggage to try and address.
>Instead bring back 2 romances, one of which is dead if they are romanced, and also Minsc, a human who by all rights should be dead so you have to concoct some tenuous bullshit to add him in.
I'm not particularly for returning companions since it's basically just offical fan-fiction, but if they must I don't see why someone like Korgan wouldn't have been a better choice of returning character (although even this would require some fricking about, you could in theory at least claim Korgan's crusade in the Underdark coincided with the events of BG3).
Larian clearly dislikes the original games
No other possible explanation for why they‘d bring back Jaheira of all people and have her get orc‘d
He's adopted
>her original husband died, gets over it to get with CHARNAME
>CHARNAME dies, gets over it and gets with someone else
Half-elf shit
>I DONT WANT TO SEE JAHEIRA WITH SOMEONE ELSE, NOT FOR 100 no 300!! YEARS
>CHARNAME dies
Also an obvious sign of Larian‘s hatred for the og games
You expect CHARNAME, a human, to live for 120+ years?
That's Abdel Adrian, he got rekt by some literally who, shit was embarassing.
CHARNAME is in heaven watching Gnomes frick
CHARNAME went on a drow genocide spree after his wife Viconia died. Their half drow son became a Blade like character who also hated drows and genocided them and took over his father's legacy after he died
>got rekt by some literal who
Viconia gets assassinated off screen by a literal who too while with CHARNAME. Or how about the hero of BG1 just gets offscreen kidnapped by someone not mentioned so we can kick start the plot of BG2.
That wasn't Larian moron, you have never heard of Abdel Adrian?
That'd be Ed Greenwood. It doesn't make any sense for Bhaal to return after his divine essence was destroyed or used, but the man has always had extreme contempt for the games.
>Larian
That one's on WotC, you dumb homosexual. WotC said Baldur's Gate games aren't canon, the novelization is.
>WotC said Baldur's Gate games aren't canon, the novelization is.
lol
still never understood why they did that
In a way, I honestly think they're too lazy to actually play the games and see what choices and decisions that CHARNAME took would fit best for a new piece of lore for their setting and just went with the easy press-assembled shitty novel.
If the novels are canon than Bhaalspawn should be the Grand Duke in charge of the Flaming Fist in BG3.
>Or how about the hero of BG1 just gets offscreen kidnapped by someone not mentioned so we can kick start the plot of BG2.
Yeah they onscreened that years later and it was FRICKING TERRIBLE so that gets a pass.
>If the novels are canon than Bhaalspawn should be the Grand Duke in charge of the Flaming Fist in BG3.
Sadly, they also went with the Murder in Baldur's Gate where CHARNAME fought with Viekang, the Bhaalspawn that teleports when panicked, one of them killed the other, and the remaining turned into a Slayer and once killed Bhaal was reborn.
How exactly that makes sense, since CHARNAME gave up his divine essence, no one knows.
What was the reasoning for Viekaing doing that? Last I remember dude was just a pussy that couldn't even control his random teleportation
>What was the reasoning for Viekaing doing that?
WotC wanted to bring back Bhaal. That's pretty much it. They also had a Second Sundering where Ao brought other dead gods back, like Myrkul.
A hundred years passed, maybe he changed.
Yeah, that technically either happened 20 years after BG3 or at the same time as BG3.
Either way I know the right answer, Larian doesn't givea shit about CHARNAME or Abdel.
>Yeah, that technically either happened 20 years after BG3 or at the same time as BG3.
Where are you getting this from? CHARNAME according to WotC died in 1482, Baldur's Gate 3 takes place a few months after Descent Into Avernus, which takes around 1492.
I'm basing it off character death and being told BG3 is 100 years after BG1, if that's the case then no worries.
How the frick is there a Dragonborn Bhaalspawn? Is he 9 years old?
Do you want spoilers, anon?
Dark Urge isn't an actual Bhaalspawn, he or she is something that Bhaal made from his own gore/blood, and this is why you have the urge to kill people all the time when no other Bhaalspawn was like that.
So it is 9 years old.
Yeah, and if you pick another race none of the racial reactivity makes sense. I did dark urge drow and had lots of interesting conversations about menzoberanzan with minthara. Get to the end, whoops! You were made by bhaals gore or whatever and you grew up here in the temple!
Other than that it was great.
>minthara
Is it true that she has no story relevance past Act 1? I've been enjoying my good playthrough with Shadowheart and Wyll as they have a bunch of quests as I go through the game.
But I hear Minthara has nothing
She makes occasional comments when you bring her along. But as for having like an entire dungeon devoted to resolving her story? Nope. Her big thing was getting revenge on the people in moon rise tower. There’s also a very touching conversation near the end game where she acknowledges that you could have gutted her with the goblins, and she would have just been another nameless dead in my path to glory. But I didn’t.
So…yeah. But it was still great to have her with my evil party, telling Astarion to take what he suffered for, telling Shadowheart she was there with her, helping her become a chosen of her goddess. She fully backed the evil party.
I wonder if it's more canonically sound to try to play through a Dark Urge campaign entirely solo and just murder everything you can.
Like the other anon said, the Dark Urge is not a Bhaalspawn in the normal sense, he is instead created by Bhaal from his own gore. He was created at the same time as the other Bhaalspawn, but likely kept in astral plane, as he didn't age.
Yes
It happened in an adventure module Larian had nothing to do with, genius
Anon people tend to die of age...
This one got killed by some random shitter or got put down like a rabid dog, though
just put a random immortal aasimar in a cuck prison
Anon, Abdel did not die of old age. The teleporting coward from ToB murdered him.
Minsc was brought back by morons at WotC back in 2014 or so and pushed as THE face of the series, so Larian has nothing to do with it in his case. His presence in the game was already set in stone.
Minsc getting the spotlight while Viconia is tossed aside like a wet rag for the role of a minor villain pisses me off, especially as she was a companion in the previous two games.
>Minsc
>set in stone
CARLOS
>Jaheira shitting on both Sarevok and Viconia
Lmao
>The half-elf that should be near the end of her lifespan looks more attractive than the drow who should be at best a middle aged woman
Why did they do it
Speaking of old age and such, how the frick is Volo alive?
He sucks Elminster off once a month.
the gods like him
real answer is WotC forced a 100+ timeskip and the creatives did not want to kill their characters
I forget some of the details but WOTC went to RA Salvatore and told him with 5e to either kill off Drizzt or permanently neuter him in some way so they could have a new generation of focus tested heroes
All I know is that he was told to timeskip his stories to the 5e meta plot or they could do it (Drizzt books) without him
WOTC insists on these severe setting changes only for every writer worth their salt to get around it as much as they can with detracting half-measures of keeping characters around as having found the fountain of youth or meta gamed their way to longevity
The whole spellplague was such an embarrassment that everyone just tries to forget it ever existed.
why wouldn't he be?
So what's their excuse for not getting the original VA for him?
They didn't get the original VA for Viconia either so I don't think they gave a shit.
Jaheira's was the only one who came back right?
none of the returning characters had their original VAs
Really? She did a good job imitating her then
Correct, her and Minsc.
Lies.
moron.
Hmm, I see...Well, Jaheira is back anyhow.
>Jaheira is back anyhow
She's not, you moron.
Uhhh yeah
>BG1/2 Jaheira voiced by Heidi Shannon
>BG3 Jaheira voiced by Tracy Wiles
No, Minsc is voiced by Matt Mercer
Minsc is voice by Matt Mercer
too expensive
Jaheira was kino in this one, reminded me of Kreia
Best romance in bg2 and best hag in bg3
Viconia was evil and a b***h. If the romance was discarded, why the frick would you assume she went neutral?
Viconiagays, turns out AERIE SUPREMACY still makes them mad.
>Thoughts on how Baldur's Gate 3 retconned Viconia as a character?
I dont care about fanfiction.
Drow are an evil race
Is it because they're black? Are you a racist? You're a fricking racist.
Tell that to Drizzt
he knows
Nah, man, see the reason Drizzt is SO cool is because he knows Drows are evil but he like, rose above it and shit and he can swing two swords and has a bear or a wolf I don't remember, anyway, he's fricking SICK.
BROOO, HE'S DUAL WELDING SORDS!!
Dual wielding is pretty cool yeah
If you were born a man in a society where the highest possible station for a man is legally "insane dommy mommy's footstool sissyboi" you'd want to get the frick out by any means necessary too.
Would I though?
Uhh yeah, that sounds like a really horrible place
Also forced to kill your father twice in his case
What an horrible future indeed haha
How many years after BG2 this game starts?
120ish or so years.
>LOL hey, so I've been playing Baldur's Ga-
SHUT UP. Just shut. The frick. Up. Holy FRICK this is a board of brainwashed NPCs. Never in my life have I seen such a transparent astroturfing attempt. You think you're special or unique? You're a fricking sheep.
FACT: The general populace are morons. There has literally never been anything that has been popular on a widespread scale that has been of genuine quality. Why do you think gatekeeping exists? If people had taste and didn't ruin franchises with their preferences, there'd be no GATE TO KEEP.
Have some respect for yourselves! You're no better than normies and their FOMO; "oh, my feed is full of this game, better play it so I can be part of the newest trend!" You vapid, vapid c**ts.
Everywhere I turn it's Shitdur's Gate this, Baldumb's Gay that. Who even the frick is Baldur anyway? Nobody gave a crap the first two times his gate opened. I feel like this is a gigantic psyop.
It's like the shitty Barbie movie which nobody was actually interested in but a combination of pandering and social media saturation created a social obligation to go and see it. I still haven't actually spoken to anyone in real life who's seen it, and I expect this game will be the same.
So stop fricking posting about it. 10-20 threads on every sodding platform I use. Evidently purchased.
Shall I be playing? I think not. I'll be sticking to my backlog of actual good games, thanks (I.e. things I've cultivated an interest for myself and not things the internet has told me to like.)
Grow a spine, you twats. Just say no.
>The bear that broke me
A /misc/ tale.
>GameCube
But why?
Why does Jergal keep calling me an incel?
Otherwise he would call you a simp
Why the frick do all the women in this game look so ragged and masculine?
they don't all look like that but many of them do and that's because the team has many cuckolds in them, literally
>larian shitting on established characters for comedy
Based
>Shitting on
She is an evil shar cleric doing evil shar things and also partially responsible for you not being a mindflayer.
What more do you want from her?
not including her? Use someone else for moronic fanservice, like Korgan
To be dead
Her and charname's son appears in-game, if you're a drow or have Minthara in the party, he tries to kill you
It’s not Charname’s son, it follows on from the unromanced ending where Viconia goes on her own and ends up starting then killing off her own Shar coven
I know anon, I was talking about what I wanted, reading comprehension
Who is it?
its not. canon charname died an incel
I want her to sit on my face
Not being in the game at all and for shitty larian writers to not touch characters from the original games
Aeriechads, we win! Because Larian has no idea who Aerie is
I have been dabbing on Viconia Black folk for 20 years lmao
>Imoen disappears without a trace having apparently fallen in love with an enemy character 80% of play through will have killed on sight
>Sarevok becomes a drug addict and gives up his redemption
>Charname murdered by a literal who bhaalspawn
>Jaheira’s entire arc of separating from the harpers negated
>Minsc sealed away for 100 years so he can come back as a summon for a shitty free to play MMO
>No mention of other companions at all
I hate 5e edition I hate Larian I hate 5e edition I hate Larian I hate 5e edition I hate Larian
Seethe more owlcuck
It’s impossible for me to seethe harder I’ve tried
I believe in you Anon. I know you can do it.
>You don't like what canonically happened to the characters in baldur's gate?
>YOU MUST BE AN OWLgay
They’re so mindbroken by CRPG hate they assume you must like the other they have in their head rent free
>Being mad at Larian for Wotc's choices
You should be happy they ignored all of the Beamdog additions to BG1&2
I doubt wizards held a gun to their head and forced them to include viconia and jaheira
I unfortunately couldn't get any lines about Gorion's Ward/Abdel Adrian from Jaheira and Misnc.
Did they bother writing any direct references?
The Bhaalspawn hero of BG1/2 died precisely 10 years before BG2 begins.
My mistake BG3 that is
Yes. Gorion's ward is called just that sometimes the Hero of Baldur's Gate and the Bhaalspawn.
It assumes Jaheira, Minsc, Imoen, Dynaheir, Viconia and unnamed "others" weere in the party at some point. It also assume Jaheira and Minsc were present when they first defeated Saverok. There's a line about Jaheira, Minsc, Dynaheir Imoen and the Bhaalspawn living together for a while. Dynaheir died at some point after BG2 and before Minsc got turned into stone
>Dynaheir died at some point after BG2 and before Minsc got turned into stone
What? Did they retcon the entire plot of BG2?
my bad that was referencing the time gap between 1 and 2
Dynaheir was already dead by BG2
The hero of BG was actually the ruler of Baldur's Gate for the last 100 years according to lore he died in a battle with a Bhaalspawn just a few years before the game begins
Yet no one fricking talks about them in BG3
Also, why is Sarevok in his "iconic" armor 170 years later? That armor turned to dust once he died, that was even a plot point in ToB.
What, did he forge a new one for no reason? And how in the frick is he even still alive? He should just be a regular mortal now.
>He should just be a regular mortal now.
So should Abdel after the end of ToB, but that didn't stop Wizards
And they could've just gone with Cyric instead.
Greenwood deliberately set up the plot point of Cyric trying to escape his prison ages ago and waited for WotC to pick it up.
But, no, we have superspecial tadpoles made by fricking Balduran and Bhaal memeberberries. I assume Larian doesn't even know who Cyric is.
Would you rather have Tim "the gay man" Cain's BG3? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6mHKFEAdU&t=2s&ab_channel=TimothyCain
Yes.
It's an FPS where you control a single character
bsd
I have a theory that as a game dev you’re granted the ability to make like 4 great games and then you’re subjected to become addicted to Twitter and/or eternally make middling games for the rest of your career
Bhaal is alive again so he's free to bring Sarevok back I guess
Why Amelyssan is around (and just a shitty add) when she explicitly betrayed Bhaal? dunno lol
>Why Amelyssan is around (and just a shitty add) when she explicitly betrayed Bhaal?
Bhaal brought her back to serve him eternally as a slave, as punishment.
If you ask her this, she answers you.
Sarevok was so butthurt at the sight of Minsc we didn't get to talk
Well, content for you Dark Urge playthrough then.
How did Bhaal even return when his divine essence was destroyed or usurped? This game should have been about BANE.
retconned
instead of his divine essence being destroyed it coalesced, the bhaalspawn killed each other and bhaal came back from the pile of corpses as a quasi deity (not a true god) Myrkul and Bane were also demoted to Quasi deities by Ao. Essentially making the dead 3 no stronger than a coven of 3 20th level spellcasters
So it just isn't destroyed and nobody noticed? What the frick. Elminster?
>why x is? Instead of why is x?
>Also, why is Sarevok in his "iconic" armor 170 years later?
Because I recognize that thing and clapped
It's very good armor. He canonically wore it in BG2 as well.
The femoids in the writing team hate her for being the go to waifu of BG2. That's why they character assassinated her and made her hit the wall at mach speed. She was too agreeable for their taste. Womyn need to be confrontational, ugly, old, had the entire world run a train on them before you get your turn, or all of the above for western writers to deem them acceptable.
>She was too agreeable for their taste. Womyn need to be confrontational, ugly, old, had the entire world run a train on them before you get your turn
The frick are you smoking? That's exactly the kind of person Viconia was. If they wanted to shit on the fans they would've attacked Aerie, the actual virgin waifu.
WoTC has discarded the novels years ago. Not even Jaheira calls CHARNAME Abdel Adrian.
>WoTC has discarded the novels years ago. Not even Jaheira calls CHARNAME Abdel Adrian.
Bullshit, Murder in Baldur's Gate uses the name
I don't even know why Larian doesn't, they clearly are following Wizard's moronic guidance
the name was probably not a requirement, so they left it as more of a reference withtout any of the old companions saying any name so old players can just (you) the void with whatever they named their CHARNAME
>old players can just (you) the void with whatever they named their CHARNAME
Impossible. My CHARNAME married Viconia, they had a son, she was murdered and CHARNAME went on a crusade against the drow. Being vague about the name is meaningless when they aren't vague about everything else.
something something
>she faked her dead because she got tired of you
>your son died young, archieved nothing and was forgoten
>your crusade ended in a failure
>and you finally died murdered by a random bhaalspawn
something
there, now your ending fits the canon
😉
BG3 doesn't, and they've released the most recent licensed BG content.
There are several other things that go against
says:
Jaheira and Minsc state very clearly that Irenicus is gone.
Sarevok was not a drug addict, he tried to save himself under CHARNAME's tutelage but relapsed due to his Bhaalspawn urges after CHARNAME was gone.
Other companions are not mentioned, Minsc just states vaguely that the chateau Irenicus party was the long-lasting one, but there were others and that Viconia stayed with CHARNAME for a short time.
Did you know according to official lore Imoen got turned into a vampire and lives in Atkathla during the time of BG3.
Who did CHARNAM canonically romance, anyways?
Mazzy
Modded Sarevok
Jaheira was the canon option.
Maybe they're following the book's blegh characterization.
>Jaheira was the canon option.
theres a letter in her hideout. Abdel Adrian married Jaheira.
>reading all that
nice "gameplay" nerds lol
nice "gameplay" nerd
https://archive.is/20220111001315/https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=804310&page=1
Abdel fricked Jaheira, I'm pretty sure, but their relationship did not last. He died alone.
Though considering Jaheira does not mention him in BG3 afaik, it's easier to pretend that he romanced Aerie. There's nothing here to contradict that particular romance.
Nalia!
It's actually a very solid romance mod, highly recommended.
Evil gays get the sword, she was evil from day one when she killed the farmer and his family for no reason
Aerie obviously
>she killed the farmer and his family for no reason
>for no reason
Anon, they gangraped her and buried her alive when they learned she was a drow.
>when they learned she was a drow.
And you would have done the same in their place
I would have to begged her to turn me into her slave actually
If I'm not mistaken Adrian canonically fricked Jaehira but they broke up
Imoen
Probably in a gay relationship with keldor or some garbage like that
God I hate both wotc and larian so much
he died alone
Saerileth
Viconia was the most popular, but Jaheira was the canon choice all the way back when the books were released.
ANOMEN. WON.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/baldursgategame/images/1/18/ANOMEN04.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20171209095619
>Unlike the other elves, Drow are as fertile as goblins and orcs. They can have at minimum up to ten times the number of births as females from the other elven races. Multiple pregnancies of two three or even more common, but actual multiple births are very rare. The strongest of the fetus eliminates the others. It is not clear if this is a bizarre twist on the phenomena seen rarely in humans. Sometimes in humans the strongest twin takes all the placental nourishment and the other withers or if the unborn actually attack each other. The losing fetuses are absorbed into the mother's body so they cannot be examined to establish what actually happens. Another phenomena seen in humans is that a stronger twin can move about a lot more than a weaker one, and cause the second twins umbilical cord to become blocked.
>When a fetus succeeds in eliminating a rival the mother experiences an intense rush of euphoria known as chad-zak. This is also unclear. It may be purely hormonal, or perhaps a warped form of the bonding other elven mothers experience with their unborn children.
>The birth process is extremely painful, but not very dangerous for the mother. However she does not experience the usual rush of pleasurable hormones when the child is delivered, or the close bonding most mothers experience when the newborn infant is placed to their chest, only contempt at another tool and murderous hatred for a potential rival.
Infancy and Early Childhood
>To understand an orc is to know what drives it. All orcs crave carnage and absolute ruin, but to what end? Unlike drow, fully mature orcs do not commit acts of violence from a philosophical desire to foment evil for its own sake. The desires of an orc is less existential, more instinctual.
>All Drow children have homicidal impulses before they can even walk and talk. Infants from noble family may be handed over to an older family member to be raised, but it is more common for very young Drow to be kept in a communal creche.
>This arrangement is not to care for the young; it merely makes it easier to weed out weaklings. Infants are encouraged to compete for food and space, and violence is rewarded.
>Only the strongest and the cleverest survive. The weak are brutally tortured and killed, often with their throats ripped open by their teething and bloodthirsty rivals. Others suffer on Lolth's sacrifice altar, an arguably more merciful fate. Female Drow feel no maternal affection, and it would never occur to them to visit their infants. The occasional male Drow can be seen visiting his child, but this is seen as an indication of weakness in both father and child.
>...students might be caged, doused with scalding water, flayed, stabbed with poisoned sticks, buried alive, or simply pulverized with fists and clubs. Such ill treatments scarcely seem to slow down these evil children, who have already proven themselves bullies, murderers, and psycopaths at home. Priestesses never fatally harm their charges; if they want them dead, it's wasteful not to sacrifice them.
>School continues until the age of twenty, when adolescence officially begins. By this time, four out of every five students will have been murdered by classmates. Another one in ten will have been sent to the temple as food for Lolth.
>Virtually any individual in a drow community has already proven him- or herself a sadistic monster - even children.
>Be warned, though: by the same token, almost all drow, including very young ones, are experienced killers and might boast shockingly high levels as warriors, rogues. or sorcerers. More than one adventurer has died an ignominious death after relaxing his guard with a drow child.
>Drow wanderers might, in exceedingly rare circumstances, claim the mantle of goodness. Such individuals exile themselves from their murderous communities in search of a peaceful life out of Lolth's reach. In most cases, they'll be consumed with shame and self-loathing, unable to fully shake the savagery of their formative years. A supposedly good drow might not gut you in the night as you sleep, but he'll still constantly wrestle with powerful instinctual impulses toward dishonesty, selfishness, treachery, sadism, and murder. In fact, so powerful are these innate drives towards evil that the number of non-evil drow on the Faerûn may be counted with two hands! The fact that surface-dwellers shun them at all costs makes life even more difficult for the infinitesimally tiny fraction of drow who sincerely seek redemption.
There's your classical Forgotten Realm drow.
>the age of twenty, when adolescence officially begins
I finally fricking get it
Menzoberranzan is literally america
Drows are americans
Frick
Wait so the best race in dnd is Americans? I knew on my heart of hearts that was correct
Chad-zak was never canon. It's literally a Dragon Magazine fanfic.
Chad-zak might not be canon, but children murdering each other and free-for alls in the street are still canon.
Drow are so fricking moronic
So... Drizzt did all of this too, right?
No.
Also, this piece of "lore" falls apart when you realize that Eilistraeeans exist.
retconned out. only good drow is drizzt.
his dad sheltered him.
>Eilistraeeans
Who
Her being a Neutral-aligned PRIESTESS OF SHAR, possibly the single most evil and nihilistic deity out there, was already moronic.
>Balduran is a mind flayer
>Viconia is an elderly Sharran cultist that ends up as an obstacle for the new Main Protagonist Love Interest character
>Minsc is a boneheaded meme
>Jaheira is ok
>Sarevok gets relegated to a chair so his granddaughter Edge McChangeling can take his spot
>Balthazar gets recycled into a fat necromancer
for all the talk of the game's writing being great they sure took their time deconstructing everything, it sounds like the TLJ of the Baldur's Gate series
>all the good characters are the newly written OC ones from Larian
>all the older characters from the well beloved games are completely shit on
Pretty based tbh
Sarevok has more dignity in BG3 than he had in his official post-BG2 lore. He was literally a street beggar and eternal bum in the lore after the events of BG2.
sauce?
Being slightly less shit doesn‘t mean something is good
>for all the talk of the game's writing being great
People seriously praise BG3's writing? If anything, nobody talks about it, it's so bland and forgettable.
People talk about the bear.
It's better written than any of the games that came before it.
Just because you use more words and bigger word doesn't make your writing better. Most dialogue in those older games is really nerdy shit and overly complex. It's why BG3 invented the Elminster character as a joke to make fun of people that talk like that.
Actually a brainlet.
hehe funny post
(you)
Meant for
(me)
So Aerie is canon romance in Larian timeline for the Bhaalspawn? The only based thing to have come out of this I guess.
No, the hero didn't marry anyone. Most likely to not wanting to perpetuate the blood of bhaal.
No, it'd be Jaheira, who honestly sucked as a romance but whatever.
Nope, Abdel is still canon. He romanced Jaheira, fricked Bodhi, then split with Jaheira after ToB and spent the rest of his life as a volcel.
>Fricked bodhi
Lucky bastard
>So Aerie is canon romance
She was the only you could impregnate so of course it was.
You could literally have a kid with Viconia too moron
She hit the wall real hard.
that was WoTC way before baldur gate 3, all characters had a set canon that doesn't fit the bg2 endings
don't look up how the other companions ended
[Citation Needed]
I think he is talking about the Abdel Adrian story.
The Abdel Adrian story says nothing about how most companions ended. Anons are just making up their own headcanon and passing it off as being in Wizards's shitty stories because no one actually read them and not even the wiki has most of the info on what really happened there.
I've only played BG1/2. Who the frick is Abdel?
(you)
It's the canon name for the protagonist of BG1/2 It's taken from the BG novels.
The canon name given to Gorion's Ward when they decided to canonize Baldurs Gate more in DND canon. They also made him canonically a fighter
The canon CHARNAME. A moronic fighter who was a seasoned adventurer before Gorion even died, traveled mostly alone and did a whole bunch of stuff that were very, very different from what happened in the games.
They fixed her.
Viconia sincerely followed most aspects of Drow culture and Shar is an evil nihilist deity that literally wants to snuff out all life.
The fact that Viconia can be turned into true neutral is fricking moronic. Not that BG2 writers cared, since Shar's relevance to the story starts and ends with Viconia's warcry.
I know you're baiting, but she loathes drow culture, and the reason why she's a cold b***h at times is because of how she's afraid that anyone she gets close to gets eventually hurt. The only place she's actually evil is in her character sheet, her actions and behaviour are more in line with a neutral character.
>she's actually neutral bro
>if you ignore how she leaves the party if you're too nice to other people
>or how she deliberately hurts others with her words
>or how she'll end up trying to kill several good-aligned companions
>or how she's disgusted with surfacers
>or how she hates surface elves so much she won't romance you if you're one
>or that she's a clergywoman of a church that accepts only evil clergymen who worship an evil goddess that commands terrorism, assassinations, torture, brainwashing in order to gain power and eventually destroy the world
Nice neutral you got here pal. Let me guess: she's neutral because... she cared for one (1) person before they died?
All "evil" characters leave if you're too nice, it's a function of the game and not reflective of the character's personality.
She hurts others with her words specifically to prevent them from getting close to her. She's using it as a shield, she's afraid of getting close to anyone after what happened to her brother.
As far as I'm aware, she literally fights one (1) good-aligned companion, namely Keldorn, who is the one to attack her.
She's disgusted with surfacers because of her history. She was not treated too well by them. Gangraped, buried alive. And then, attempted to be burned on a stake. Her attitude is perfectly rational.
I agree, her unwillingness to romance surface elf CHARNAME is a bit weird, but she does end up saving the city of Suldanesselar twice. See
, she has the highest honours of a surface elven society, so I think it's fair to say that she's not entirely racist towards them.
Her faith towards Shar is a point of contention for sure, but it's evident that she's never been that much of an ardent worshipper. In fact, in the standard ending slide she has in BG2 it clearly states that she's perfectly willing to go against the wishes of her goddess if it pleases her.
She cares for more than one person, clearly. The first person she cared about was her brother, then she has cared for or at least trusted multiple different individuals and it's always ended up poorly for her, which is plenty of reason to be rather reserved towards others. But eventually she does learn to trust and appreciate others, and in ToB her interactions with other party members is far more amiable than previously.
But regardless of whether she's actually evil or not, I'd say that personality wise she's not very likely to be involved in a saturday morning cartoon villain plot to kidnap a kid, brainwash her and then use her to torment her parents. That's completely out of character for her.
Why didn't they bring her back, bros?
She would have gotten along great with Karlach.
You gotta wait for Baldurs Gate 3 Enhanced Edition, as is tradition.
>anon surprised that franchizes that go beyond the original games have different canons than what happened on their runs
and thats why you only get invested in oneoff rpg that never get sequels or aren't part of a bigger IP
Why the frick would I care about other canons that aren't from my specific playthrough?
I've since a general consensus here that the spinoffs and offshoots are all shit, and that Wizards of the Coast sucks.
its fine not to care, but you can't be surprised that future games don't follow your "gold run"
but just watch when baldur gate 4 comes out and it has I don't know, a dark justiciar shadowheart(?) people will get pissy about it
BG1 fed straight into BG2, even picked up on my save file. I see no reason why BG4 wouldn't do that.
when was the last time a big game had a "load previous game save" feature? dragon age 2? inquisition had something similar but it was through some shitty website and an EA account so not counting it
idk last I remember was Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect 3 did that.
Witcher 3 allowed you to pull in a Witcher 2 save
>12 years
11 years
>8 years
seems the feature is dead tbh
Too much effort when you can just decide what's canon and morons will not only lap it up but actually defend you.
Shit, KOTOR 2 had no save importing but you were asked a few questions about what happened in 1 and that's still too much effort for modern game devs.
It's pretty obvious to me that they didn't want you to "transfer" your charname on purpose, they wanted to do their own thing while also using the actual canon, even Andromeda at least bothered to ask if your Shepard was male or female instead of just avoiding pronouns like morons
Dev cycles are way too long now so people don't want to bother with it. If anything, they'd go the route of Witcher 3 where if you don't have a save then they just give you the option of "simulating" a save and lets you pick the big story beats instead of manually importing a save.
I always found it cool when games continue into each other and allow for shit like that. The Golden Sun games blew my mind as a kid where it legit just picks up where it left off but if I saw that kind of stuff nowadays, I'd just assume the game was unfinished and they split it to double the cost.
FF7Rebirth comes out later this year and I almost guarantee they won't have a save file carryover even though this would be a situation where it would make the most sense as it's a direct continuation of the previous game. The issue is FF7Remake allowed you to hit level 50 and gave you almost all the summons. If they allowed saves to carry over, there wouldn't be much left to do in the game.
There’s not much to carry over in terms of choices for FF7R, it’s a bit of a kick in the dick if you grinded max level and items in the first part and lose that in the second but it’s not a major loss especially with all the ways you can speed that up
For me it's less the choices and more just the feeling of carrying over your progress as a straight continuation. Hitting level 50 in FF7Remake and being reset to level 1 and losing all your materia in FF7Rebirth is going to feel really fricking weird.
I agree in the grand scheme it's not a huge issue and from a marketing perspective, they don't want to negatively impact someone that would (for whatever reason) buy Rebirth without playing Remake.
Technology has, ironically, ruined gaming.
200 million dollar budgets, 6 or more years long dev cycles now mean games need to be safe and not take any risks, including trying to match up the graphics race, even if that means environments can't be well designed
No one is gonna bother carefully caring about player choices when the vast majority of buyers are either consoomers that don't care or casuals buying the popular thing
Knowing Wizards Baldurs Gate 4 will be,
>Shadowheart decided to return to Shar so her parents could live.
>Astarion became the god vampire.
>Wyll became Grand-Duke which resulted in Karlach refusing to go to hell and dying.
>Lae'zel died while being hunted by Gith for treason.
>Jahira adopted another kid.
>Minsc is still alive.
>Gale's for some reason is a Lich now.
>Siding with the Druids is canon, but Minthara survived off screen somehow.
>(You) become an Ithilid and end up dying at some point of time.
>(you) also died a virgin
Also, everything you did in the plot of 3 didn’t matter and is repeating again, like with the question of the Bhaalspawn
karlach was a wotc character first, not larian's, she's still in hell in the "canon" and something tells me thats why she has no ending where she gets fixed
something similar to paizo banning larian from allowing romances with their "iconic" characters
frick I mean owlcat not larian in the second part
wtf is Karlach in?
haha no, Ed Green didn't like bg 1 and 2 but bg3 was made with Mike Mearls (you know Jeremy Crawford's Co designer in 5e, more important than Crawford himself) on the team. So, we at least know bg3 is canon.
The name of the game in forgotten realms is stagnation so, the canon would have to be
>Karlach returns to hell
>Orpheus and the emperor end up dead somehow
>lae zel exiled or dead
>the dark urge, redeemed or dead
>Gale is redeemed by mystra and cured letting him be a traveling archwizard (wotc love to suck off wizards) I suspect they will make canon dark urge redeemed because he's a sorcerer so more caster special treatment
>shadowheart would be free because the shadow cursed lands do not exist outside of bg3 so we need to clean that up. Viconia also shouldn't be alive so having her redeemed, kill Viconia and slip back out to live her farm life fits best.
>Wyll remains pacted to Mizora and continues as the blade of frontiers.
>Minthara is a blatant afterthought and dead
>Astarion becomes an ascended vampire
this ties up any loose ends the game may create while also leaving wotc room to have them make cameos as they so often love doing
>darkurge
depends if "Tav" will be as canon as CHARNAME in the future
because if he is then dark urge just died at the temple instead of surviving his wound but losing his memory, you ca even find his body as Tav
Tav is not canon
Dark Urge was the original plot but Tav was created because playtesters negatively reacted to being "forced" to do evil.
So no, he is a real character and he's been telegraphed for quite a long time
Yeah, Dark Urge is the obvious main character of the story. He's the one who came up with the whole plot of the story, who crowned the elder brain. A unique Bhaalspawn, betrayed by his servant. The game is littered with books and notes about him, some even written by him.
>playtesters negatively reacted to being "forced" to do evil.
Can't you just go "i don wunna" and not kill anyone?
not always no, sometimes the urge really does overpower you
You have to pass skill checks and sometimes you're forced to kill, most notably with Alfira
When do these skill checks happen? I played evil Dark Urge, so I didn't get a single skill check in the game, even though I didn't really kill that much, outside the village in act 2.
Oh I don't know I'm just starting the game, but I had to roll one to resist the urge to tear off Gale's hand, and apparently the more you resist the higher the checks get
I guess there was a roll regarding Gale's hand, but other than that, there really aren't any rolls.
I've finished the game as Dark Urge. You can count the number of Dark Urge related checks on one hand. More often than not it's just italics you can do to revel in or dismiss the urge thoughts, and even those aren't terribly common.
Are the skill checks different or like WIS checks all the time
Dark Urge is forced to kill someone in act 1.
threadly reminder
>Irenicus is still around and was actually just a common lich and Bodhi is also still alive
>Kivan and Cernd are a married gay couple now, despite the fact that they both had families. Also they're trying to expose Faldorn as a shadow druid even though she was already dead in BG2 100 years ago.
>Imoen is an vampire because of Bodhi but still good
>Jaheira is still with the Harpers despite parting ways with them in her personal quest
>Sarevok became a drug addict living in the slums of Baldur's Gate until he refound religion by becoming a follower of Bhaal AGAIN despite what happened in ToB.
>Valygar is still around hunting mages because of potions of longevity
>Xan is now a troon whose gender just changes
>Viconia is a priestess of Shar
>Montaran and Xzar are back from the dead and Xzar is a demilich
>Edwin is still around
>Kagain worships Bhaal
Citation
fricking
Needed
>but muh non canon guidebook
the ones present in the game follow that status, so canon, suck my dick
>My headcanon is canon because the game where none of these characters are mentioned does not contradict it
Aerie married CHARNAME and they had a dozen children together. This is canon because nothing in BG3 contradicts it. You can go kys now 🙂
And me? Yeah, I'm dead.
>Xzar is a demilich
No way that failure managed to become a lich much less a demi-lich.
>Imoen is an vampire because of Bodhi
Is that even possible in the game? Doesn't bodhi tried to turn your love interest? Did Imoen finally admitted she wanted to frick her not-brother?
Also, it's really hard to blame Larian on anything when Wizards is only rivaled by Marvel and DC in the competition to ruin their own IPs
Bodhi tries to turn your love interest in the game, yeah. It's Jaheira in the novel. The novel has taken a lot of liberties with the games (Minsc is a redhead who ends up working in the Copper Coronet, I'm not memeing, this is seriously what happens) but this is not one of them. Anon is either lying through his teeth, or he believed someone else who lied through his teeth.
>Anon is either lying through his teeth, or he believed someone else who lied through his teeth.
Nah, it's not from the novels he's relating but from a recent book WotC released
There's a Reddit post with the changes
https://www.reddit.com/r/baldursgate/comments/q3dbf4/minsc_and_boos_journal_of_villany/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
I stand corrected. lmao, this is atrocious
>lmao, this is atrocious
I seriously haven't heard a good thing be said about Wizard's since maybe the 4th edition. Even Games Workshop had a phase when the new CEO took over that everyone liked
just like Heroes of Baldur's Gate this is non canon. and published by a company that isn't WotC.
yet they still made jaheira back with the harpers, viconia now with ther own churth of shar, and sarevok with the bhaal cult, so seems to be following it
and Cernd are a married gay
Lol. The most absurd retcon ever. Kivan was going to live the rest of his life alone out of respect for Deheriana. He would wait for elven afterlife to eventually join his wife. That's the real canon.
For those who haven't seen it, here's how Irenicus and Bodhi look like now.
This is from Minsc and Boo's Journal of Villainy.
>Bodhi the elven vampire
>has human ears
Huh?
cool it with the racism chud
They didn't bother to read up.
I can't believe that devs go through to effort of getting the art created and miss something so obvious, it's like when esls make art but the actual text makes no sense because their English is toddler tier
For morons falling for the re-posted bait, all of these are from sources published by the Dungeon Master's Guild - they are explicitly non-canon, hence why they can include any crazy shit they come up with.
Nice photoshop, homosexual.
https://www.dmsguild.com/product/365114/Minsc-and-Boos-Journal-of-Villainy-5e
Anon, literally just click the link you just posted. It says "From Wizards of the Coast" right there
Try reading the text on the site you posed instead of just looking at pictures 🙂
You shitskinned analphabete muttoid
Try reading up on what you're posting, you disingenuous israelite troony. 🙂
>Only content published by Wizards of the Coast is considered to be canon.
This isn't published by WotC, but the DM's Guild.
Your skin is the color of feces and you are wrong.
its accurate to what the state of jaheira, saverok and viconia is in bg3, so larian didn't invent anything there
>Viconia is a priestess of Shar.
That's because she's been a priestess of Shar since the first game, moron. She never wasn't a priestess of Shar, and the fact she can go Neutral whilst remaining one was always stupid.
You see that nice "DM's Guild Logo"? It's what the guy above said, those books are explicitly, out of the gate, non-canon.
Cope harder
Heroes of Baldur's Gate DOES NOT say by WoTC there. They are not the same.
Its literally canon because WotC don't care for canon anymore
I don't care if I get bashed here, old hag Jaheira is still hot as frick and I'd spend hours plowing her butthole.
Jaheira looking old is appropriate though, she was your godmother on 1, so she was 30 or 40, and it's been 120 years, she has to be in the half-elf equivalent of her sixties
>she was your godmother on 1
And you can frick her in 2.
Yes, oh omnipresent authority figure.
>oh omnipresent authority figure.
Sounds like a perfect mommy
>And you can frick her in 2.
I don't remember it being brought up during the romance
She mostly whined about Khalid
>the poetard is still crying about larian writing years after deadfire flopped
grow up unironically
kill all drow Black folk. I told her to frick off in bg1
I do like that you can frick so many devils in this game.
Killed her
Took her underwear
Immediately put it on Shadowheart
That's a boy.
Why couldn't these morons just do NWN3 instead? There's virtually nothing for them to despoil, and it's more in line with their type of RPG. Worst timeline.
That would be ideal, but no modern writer would be able to deal with any theme from Mask of the Betrayer decently.
Who?
Yes we are well aware that the people buying this game don't know the previous ones.
retcons are not when characters change over the passage of time anon
Wizards of the Coast and Larian don't give a shit about lore.
That is why the game has a "3" next to it. Its only to sell goyslop for braindead people.
>t.moron
5E has half-races. Just because WotC is saying they want to remove something doesn't mean it was removed.
>this time it will not happen
t. moron
Show me the changes in the core rulebook they are selling then. Because words of a designer mean nothing until it's put into print.
>Show me the changes in the core rulebook they are selling then.
It's on Tasha's Cauldron of Everything
5th was released in 2014, promoted homosexualry hadn't gone into overdrive yet
They already happened
you can literally google the erratas for the books anon...
you guys are not very good at this
you don't know shit
Not really related, but I'd stick my penis in Zariel's flaming pussy
and yet none of these things have happened
every controversy around d&d is this
>Jeremy Crawford says something pants on head moronic
>news articles publish stuff about it
>Crawford gets publicly harassed until he backs off
incidentally this is also how 5e gets balance changes in the books. Crawford needs to be regularly screamed at to stop him from destroying martials with every book
>Crawford needs to be regularly screamed at to stop him from destroying martials with every book
His parents should've drowned him when he was a child
Crawford reminds me of a blizzard dev
>take fun ip
>see people are having fun
>police it (except for my pet wizard)
genuinely pathetic. The entire "high level is le bad" meme came FROM HIM
and nobody remembers they just keep parroting his drivel. He's a lot like Gary Gygax in many ways. Getting irrationally upset when the player had agency and power
He's a tasteless homosexual that wants to turn a popular IP into his own gay rpg Bec the gay rpg he created himself was only ever played by his mom and 12 other people.
He's like every writer hired for an adaptation these days, couldn't cut it on your own talents, decided instead to skin off a popular IP and used it as a costume for your fanfiction
thats a change they want to do for the next edition d&dONE crap
but as of now d&d still has races
how is the time period of implementation relevant to the fact that the company who owns the BG IP don't give about lore?
the company that owns the IP dictate what the lore is tho
the lore in 5e is that there is races
in 6e there probably won't be
but hopefully wotc just dies before that
may a meteor fall on their heads or something
this is good, actually, but you're too blinded understand
>I already am eating from the trash can all the time. The name of this trash can is ideology. The material force of ideology makes me not see what I am effectively eating.
What are you talking about, 21st century schizoid man?
>>I already am eating from
As if I play 5e or give money to WotC or Larian
lmao
It's always fun listening to people try to argue about legitimacy of DnD lore in a universe where any random mortal can literally just get the ability to wish for shit.
Normal person would get scammed by the wish spell. You need high intelligence and wisdom to get what you want.
What's stopping me from imbuing an item with wish and just selling them to some random person or putting it on a scroll that any idiot could use?
Writing Wish to a scroll costs around 20000 gold
>be a high level wizard
>know wish
>wish for 20000 gold
>write wish to a scroll
>repeat
Uhhhh
>wish to be immune to necrotic damage
UHHHHH
the damage can't be negated through inmunities
you're fricked
Sorry I checked the actual scroll prices to write and the wish is around 250000 and needs 10000 to be written on a scroll. Your move mr wizard.
That is 250000 gold and 10000 days
>GUYS HERE'S MY WHITE ROOM THEORYCRAFTING WISH CHEESE
God, nogames so easy to spot.
you will die of necrotic damage eventually
you mean like the blade of luck which lets you cast wish? unfortunately not only is it rare but again casting wish requires you to be very careful with your wording or it will fail or have horrific consequences. Additionally casting wish, through a scroll or otherwise taxes the caster, putting thenm effectively out of commission for at least a week. Also every time you use wish (again through an item or otherwise) there's a 1/3 chance you lose the ability to cast it forever because Mystra is a cold b***h
Can't I just wish for Mystra to be dead though
No. Wish can't kill anything actually. But you can wish for a 9th level conjuration spell to summon monster that will kill someone.
>wish exists but it has all these limits
That's lame. Glad I'm just a barbarian so I don't have to read a contract before I cast every spell and I can just swing my axe around.
It's just a 9th level spell. Actual chad wizards could cast 11th level ones and Karsus managed to become a god for a few seconds with a 12th level spell.
Yes, after the netherese debacle Mystra banned everyone from using spells above 9th level and put restriction on wish to halt morons like you. Sorry :/
no actually you quite literally can't
and if you hypothetically succeeded you'd just have a repeat of the folly of Karsus where Mystra died, causing the weave to collapse making everyone everywhere unable to use magic until she respawns
I wish mentally moronic people would actually read the spells before posting drivel also lmao at
>well can't I use magic to kill THE GODDESS OF MAGIC
I can picture Mystra typing this post being pissed she came up with all these spells only for morons to not understand them.
she didn't invent the spells
>well can't I use magic to kill THE GODDESS OF MAGIC
It worked for Karsus
no it didn't, because she's alive and he's dead
Karsus usurped Mystryl who was the first goddess of magic. He died shortly after, but his spell worked. Mystra was the second goddess of magic and she was killed by Helm during the Time of Troubles. The current Mystra is the third goddess of Magic and she was a human witch called Midnight (she was also Kelemvor's lover, for the record) who took Mystra's name after Ao deified her to ease the transition on existing clergy.
>I don't know how gods in d&d work
all 3 are the same entity with the same divine essence. Just as Bane springs forth from his children and their past selves die and become bane the same is true of Mystra. At most some of the mortal personality gets added to her divine personality but the essence remains the same
>I don't know how gods in d&d work
No u
Mystra was not Mystryl and acted very differently from the previous goddess of magic. Midnight was not Mystra and acted very differently from the previous goddess of magic. She even carried on her relationship with Kelemvor for some time and tried to forbid magic from being used for destruction before the entire rest of the pantheon complained to Ao.
Bane sprang forth from his son, singular, Iactu Xvim, but that was a special case. Iactu Xvim was not Bane and he acted very differently from the previous god of Tyranny while he was alive. This was one of his plans to get back from the dead if his scheme with the Tablets failed. All of the Dead Three had a plan to resurrect themselves, Bane and Myrkul had more than one, but that one plan of Bane's was the only one that worked.
This is not how god works. Mystryl is not Mystra is not Midnight. Bane, Baal and Myrkul were not Jergal and Cyric and Kelemvor are not the same persons as those who previously held their portfolios. Gods have distinct personalities and different persons act differently even when they hold the same powers.
tl;dr: You are full of shit
incorrect, they all merge into a singular god so mystra both is and isn't mystryl because gods are weird like that. With midnight specifically yes when she became mystra she originally had a strong sense of mortal self dominating her personality but over time it became muted among the divine essence that composes the lady of mystery. So while the goddess of magic has been altered by its different mortal vessels its all ultimately been the same entity. Also you ignore the very first incarnation of mystra was also a goody two shoes moralgay just like midnight.
You still
are full
This is the first Mystra, her infobox was too long for my screen.
of shit
>Also you ignore the very first incarnation of mystra was also a goody two shoes moralgay just like midnight.
lmao. But it's nice of you to ignore all the other cases where a god died and was succeeded by someone else in the Forgotten Realms. Not very convenient for your argument, were they?
oh please even gale says they're the same
why cope?
wotc considers them all one entity
>the wiki
unfortunately morono previous edition lore isn't strictly canon, it is altered depending on the whims of wotc like how Shar and Selune creating the universe was retconned in Fizban's revealing that the material plane was actually created by the dragon gods and then sundered into the many crystal spheres we have
elegy of the first world is so based literally copying final fantasy 14 lore just to suck off dragons
I thought Shar and Selune were the same god but with two faces?
yes they are people cope but the way forgotten realms lore is written is actually a lot similar to the elder scrolls
the gods are bizarre nebulous beings and nobody actually knows what the frick they are they're also highly schizophrenic
God's in the forgotten realms universe are more like the daedric princes in TES, can be destroyed and are definitely not infallible or omniscient in any way
so like the elder scrolls since the daedra and aedra are the same and swap places every kalpa
the frick?
>he didn't know
No, they're sisters. They were the first two goddesses created by Ao, Selune the goddess of Light and Shar the goddess of Darkness. They created the world together, along with Chauntea who begged for more light for life to flourish. Shar disagreed, Selune reached into the Elemental Plane of Fire to grab a ball of fire and make the sun. Shar attacked, Selune was losing because she had been weakened by the fire, Mystryl (and some other gods like Jergal) ended up getting born from their fight, Mystryl sided with Selune and put an end to the fight. Amaunator, the first god of the sun, also arrived at some point and Selune gradually relinquished parts of her portfolio to him and others. (She was the original goddess of love before Sune and still governs some aspects of love)
>But Wizards!
WotC's retcons are moronic, you can frick off.
lmao, no. Gods are kinda like the Greek or Norse pantheon. They're not so different from mortals who were given immense power, and many of them even are ascended mortals.
>They created the world together,
no they didn't
Nice ancient Draconic poem of unknown origin
Fizban's Treasury of Dragons is written from Bahamut's perspective, it's the closest most recent book we have of a direct first-hand retelling of a creation myth from a god
IMMENSE levels of cope
yes, there's even a church dedicated to both of them as the same being. Both selunites and sharrans condemn them as heretics and yet the proof of their truth is in the fact that they receive powers and blessings from Shar and Selune simultaneously
according to Ed Greenwood the current mystra is an amalgamation of all of them so no actually you're just wrong and word of god trumps your headcanon
To me this just reads that ultimately it's the DM's call for what you're able to do with Wish. It states there you can technically kill things with Wish unlike what
said.
wish's effectiveness is based on how good your lawyerspeak is. Like making a genie wish
If you are talking about the wish spell then it is not for any random mortal, only the strongest magic users have access to it.
What's a good stat spread for a monk
17 dex
16 wis
15 con
>monk
Respeccing into another class.
>he doesn't know larian made monk a broken class due to in game equipment
Good monk starts as fighter so he can wear heavy armor + shield. At level 2 and afterwards you take monk
STR: MAX
DEX: 10
CON: lots
WIS: optional
But you can't multiclass in bg3 can you
????????
You absolutely can
>kill "weary traveller" because frick that homosexual
>20 exp and doesn't drop anything
Cool, cool.
Vic and Jaheria not making references just means that Aeire was the canon choice.
>no gemstone dragonborn
aaaiiieeeee
I played bg2 and I must say that Minthara is superior to her in every single way. Minthara also doesn't b***h about you being an elf, and I'm not going to play a filthy Human because I'm a Wizard only chad
Human is for Martialcucks that will never achieve Elven level of IQ to solve combat with magic or Orkish level of bruteness to be the best race for Paladin
Also Giths mogg them hard as well. Frick Humans and frick anti-High elf monkeys.
Neera was the superior choice. Viconia was trash and trash gets thrown out.
Reminder you were warned and gave into the shill campaign.
>IT'S NOT CANON IT'S NOT
>referenced in bg3 the game that Mike Mearls helped direct
HAHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO NO
>ITT some 2eBlack person pretends his garbage is still canon when 5e has completely altered the lore
you are embarrassing yourself
>b-but it's not canon because i don't feel like it!
>Retconning everything that came before is fine because it just is
>Stop bringing up stuff that was published by Wizards before they went full moron, it's embarrassing to remember the past
>Memoryhole the old books. We have always been at war with Eastasia
you're welcome to ignore the nulore at your tables, it's your own little world and you only need to see eye to eye with a handful of other people to make it work but please accept that it's all been retconned, written out and changed and that any media will present and follow the new lore just because it helps to get everyone (not autistic) on the same page
>any media will present and follow the new lore
Ah yes, it's been very relevant in things like the movie and BG3 whether the world was created by Selune and Shar or some dragoBlack folk and taking the shitty nulore as gospel in all cases is not autistic at all.
Zoomers were a mistake
for what it's worth the dragon lore doesn't contradict the old lore, it just adds another step before that and establishes the dragons as the life to predate all other life across the multiverse
shar and selune still created the world i guess, they just did it after invading bahamut and tiamat's fun fun play space and BTFOing them
This gay mentality is why TTG and places like /tg/ suck
>It doesn't matter that everything they publish sucks! You don't need to react at all, just ignore it!