thoughts on the first companion revealed for owlcat's WH40K rogue trader RPG?
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thoughts on the first companion revealed for owlcat's WH40K rogue trader RPG?
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I'm not going to use her because she's ugly and black.
SALAMANDERS could be here...
Salamanders are LITERALLY black with caucasian features.
Celestial lions are Black person black
Meh, don't care much about her, I am not sure what her style is supposed to be going for.
ugly homeless person with psychic powers
>send the psyker out to battle
>uses her powers
>fails, rolls Perils of the Warp
>her head explodes and her body turns inside out as her soul is devoured by daemons
Could be worth a laugh.
>black people still exist
So much for a new age of humanity, the Emperor's a sham
the emperor is literally an arab
he's a pre-turkish ancient anatolian
Ah, so a greek, a kurd, an armenian, or a syrian
none of those existed when he was "born" in 8000 BC
I'd take a Tallarn Jihadist over a ugly Black person.
>that time when they got thumped by a pack of catachans in a bar brawl
all blow and no go tbh
What, hes formed by British Druids you stupid git
Back in my day he was a fusion of like 12 turkish shamans.
Both correct. The Emperor is a gestalt of all early Human Psykers who all decided to An hero, halt the birth of more Psykers and shepard the evolution of all mankind.
>mystery of the Druids was a 40k prequel
He's an amalgamation of 12 Anatolian shamans who all an heroed for a ritual.
>ancient Turk
>arab
I hate liberals so much it’s unreal, just fricking learn about the people you feel the need to defend, I guarantee you’ll convince more people than your current homosexualry
>Ancient Anatolia
>Implying there were Turks
Fricking shitstain he was Greek
>Fricking shitstain he was Greek
Greeks didn't start colonizing Anatolia until 800BC. The Emperor was a Neolithic Anatolian. Gobekli Tepe was probably built on his orders.
worse hes a turk roach
turks arent anatolian moron
>Anatolian
>Arab
moron alert
He's a Hittite or some shit, but definitely neither Turk or Arab
>desert biomes don't exist
she looks cool, i guess we'll just wait for gameplay to know more.
please don't be a weirdo racist. it makes you less of a man. treat others with kindness, approach situations with compassion.
>treat others with kindness, approach situations with compassion.
The world hasn't been kind to me, so now I take it out on others.
>it's THE WORLD'S fault
No sight as pathetic and small as someone blaming their behavior on the world being a big meanie
It's an unsanctioned psyker, it is daemonbait, it would be a kindness to kill it at the first possible opportunity.
>she
How can you tell?
die
No please refer to reddit
Ehh if they allow our RT to be a psyker too she's probably just gonna chill on the bench. I'm actually okay with her design. Face looks slightly off but It's inoffensive at it gets, kinda bland really.
There better be an ork companion I swear to god
Nah, not gonna happen
But it would be neat for him to have different buffs depending on the color of the armor he's wearing.
You should be able to inspire him to give yourself a buff, a minor buff since he believes in you Kamina style.
There's no real reason it couldn't happen. Rogue Traders can sometimes have xenos on the crew
freebooter neverever
No Ork, no Kroot, no Tau, no Squat, only Elfdar.
Kroot mercs aren't entirely out of the question for a rogue trader
One can but hope.
There is no way they couldn't include an ork companion. Orks are too popular.
Orks are an almost 100% no-go for any servant of the Imperium, especially one with a Space Marine and an SoB tagging along
Owlcat COULD include one, obviously, but it would be extremely lore-breaking
secondary
It's extremely unlikely a Space Marine and a Sister would tolerate an Ork. An Eldar probably wouldn't be happy either.
The Marine and SoB would barely be tolerating each other. But in the end their opinions do not matter since the Rogue Trader has a warrant of trade allowing him to interact with xenos with impunity. And both of them would only be in his party if their Chapter/Order owed the RT a favour, or were employing him to complete some task on their behalf.
>An Eldar probably wouldn't be happy either.
The Eldar isn't going to be happy with anyone. I expect she'll be openly insulting just about everyone.
>Seething at people having fun
>Secretly seething at the monkeigh fricking his way across the galaxy
>enter the dark eldar wytch
Why would they hate orks? Orks don't want to convert them to the chaos gods, they respect the power of the 'emperah, and are always down for a good scrap.
Imagine all the cool orky-ness that could happen on your ship if you had an ork.
Are you genuinely asking why a Space Marine and a Sister of Battle would hate a xeno?
If they can tolerate an Eldar on the ship they can tolerate an Ork.
There are literally Ork freebooters in the setting. It wouldn't be lore-breaking at all. It might lock you out of a companion or something, but it would still be fine.
What about Orkperium orks?
>Orks are an almost 100% no-go for any servant of the Imperium
Wrong, Orks as mercs are employed a lot by the imperium especially the blood axes who have been known to work alongside the imperium. There's also the freebooterz who have worked for pretty much anybody who employed them. The inquisitor in DoW2 tried to get Bluddflagg to fight for them but he ended up refusing because she wouldn't throw in her hat as part of the deal.
>The inquisitor in DoW2 tried to get Bluddflagg to fight for them but he ended up refusing because she wouldn't throw in her hat as part of the deal.
And also because the Eldar were the canon route between Orks and Eldar.
>Rogue Trader
>servant of the Imperium
If anything him having a Marine and SoB tagging along makes less sense than having xeno mercs. So much so I would almost be inclined to believe this game started life as either a Dark Heresy or Deathwatch adaptation before finally settling on making it Rogue Trader.
Sad
Meh
Good
You never know, they might have one since GW has been pushing the squats lately
OP already posted them.
>sister of battle
>guard
>psyker
>Eldar
>spess marine
>techpriest
Here's your companions bro
The Spess Mareen is a Space Wolf instead of a Smurf, so its based.
>space marine
>not a smurf
Didn't know they were allowed to do this
Oh no it's the other popular chapter how could this happen
anything is preferable to Ultrasmurfs
except Grey homosexuals
moron
A fabulous blood angel would be a novelty
That's BA and you know it
Ultras > BAs > Wolves/Fists
Man space wolves are based
love how they make thousand b***hes seethe
>Furry
>not Salamander
>nor Iron Fist
>nor Raven Guard
>nor even Blood Angel
Such a letdown...
the wolves were only based during the heresy.
They were based when they told the inquisition to frick off, and killed a bunch of DAs, grey knights and inquisitors.
C'mon there's no way you didn't like that unless you're just empty inside thanks to Ahriman.
>mary sue furry
cringe
No. Beating up the World Eaters and burning Prospero were the only 2 based things ever done in the entire history of the Space Wolves legion. The months of shame were pure wank.
>Burning of Prospero
>based
baka
Never seen a more wrong face
I think you misspelled
>never seen a more did nothing wrong face
>Pure wank
Are you one of those mongos who thinks the Grey Knights are chapter strength and the Inquisitors have infinite power?
not to mention the wolves were the defenders, they were a bit over chapter strength and since their geneseed sucks they didn't have to split resources among succesors. I think they have one of the best fleets and shit in fenris, and the grey knights, while powerful, aren't specialized at killing marines while the wolves are very good vs marines.
The wolves got rekt badly by magnus though, they are far from being invincible.
They were always Legion strength, they never split up, with the exception of the lost 13th company. Each of their 12 grand companies had like 1000 dudes in it all the way up to the present.
I remember reading each company had between 140 and 200 (ragnars company? had 200), so I estimate 2000-3000 which is still a frickton, more than enough to clap the entire GKs. I'll look it up, I do remember seeing 12000 somewhere.
Look, are any of you morons going to pretend that the Space Wolves could actually survive this shit?
The Inquisition would have lost that initial confrontation, I agree to that
But afterwards? Between all the people in the higher echelons of Terra that hate the fricking Space Marines, Fenris would get Exterminatus faster than you can say "God Emperor".
People hate the Space Wolves because they got away with doing what they did, not because they managed to do it.
What did they do
Get pissed at the inquisition after Armageddon, the inquisitor thought he could talk smack to a first founding chapter and ender killed alongside a GK grandmaster. Got away with it when the inquisition came to Fenris and Bjorn told them to knock it off and get off his lawn.
Wait didn't the inquisition exterminatus it in the aftermath of a khorne invasion right after the space wolves had spent blood, sweat and tears trying to keep the inhabitants safe?
I'm sorry but they're totally in the right here and the inquisitors should have just done their fricking jobs instead of reset and repopulate
They were doing their job because chaos corruption is a big deal even if Logan grimnar uses a chaos axe on the regular
But he did get uppity with people he has no control over.
It is a big deal, but they should have just done exterminatus in the first place before wasting space marine lives from a chapter that loves and values regular humans
After everything that happened they should have just done their jobs and purged every cultist on the planet as well as setting up a strong presence of Arbites
Killed a bunch of inquisitors and grey knights. The Inquisition and the Imperium at large have pulverized planets and exterminated Space Marine chapters for less than this, which is why people were upset that they were so lenient with the Space Wolves for no apparent reason.
>for no apparent reason
I can think of a frick tonne of in-universe reasons
And also start shit, get hit
>And also start shit, get hit
This is fricking Warhammer you little pussy. Right and wrong don`t fricking matter.
No shit the Inquisition were a bunch of c**ts and the Space Wolves had good reason to bite them.
But at the end of the day, the Inquisition has the biggest stick and Space Marines are on thin-ice as it is. Having a chapter outright attack the Inquisition is grounds for a beat down of epic proportions on principle alone, to make an example.
The fact that they were allowed to get away with doing this kind of challenge to the authority of the one body of the Imperium that is designed to be unchallengeable is why people call the Space Wolves a bunch of mary sues.
Who said right and wrong matter, start shit get hit is a universal law of the jungle
The inquisition is also the most fragmented and un-unified organization in the galaxy with multiple factions all vying for power against each other
When an inquisitor fricks up the others will attempt to make an example of him/her, it's not so cut and dry.
The inquisition also has to toe the line around space marine chapters as they both hold similar levels of authority and power.
They will attempt to make an example out of other inquisitors, yeah. But among themselves.
Inquisitors will tear each other up if you let them, but they won't stand an outside doing it.
To go against the authority of one inquisitor is to go against the authority of the entire Inqusition. And that shit is not supposed to fly.
That is why when the Celestial Lions got their nose smacked, nobody did anything. Everyone knew that "Orc Snipers" were nonsense.
I am not that anon that thinks the Space Wolves should have gone extinct over this, but the fact that there was basically no retalliation over it was pretty cheap.
Here's the thing though
1)inquisitor is blatantly in the wrong
2)he pissed off a founding space marine chapter at full strength
3)said chapter is desperately needed on battlefields across the galaxy and has a 10,000 year service record of distinction and honor
Do you be butthurt about it, or do you sweep it under the rug because Cadia just fell and holy frick there's demons and xenos EVERYWHERE
Yeah but still, other inquisitors thought he was overreacting and were plotting with the knights to kill him. The wolves got him first. That inquisitor deserved it, the wolves are clowns but they are loyal and I doubt you can declare them renegades without other first founding chapters (especially DAs) not taking their side
Exterminatus is too far, I agree
but they should have at least got the "ork sniper" treatment, at least as a token action of reproach.
That's the thing, they didn't get the ork sniper BS, the inquisitor tried to make a dumb direct point and it went wrong. I think it's fair for once, but it's true that the wolves get away with too much bullshit. But hey, it's 40k and first founding chapters are popular so, doesn't matter how much they frick around, or if they get nearly destroyed by magnus, if they sell it's all good, they get to stay.
If it wasn't like that, the wolves would all be dead already, not because of fricking around but because of their fricked up genesed and living in a shithole, abaddon would've killed calgar, blood angels would be wiped, but we both know that's not gonna happen.
The Inquisition had to fabricate a story about Ork snipers when they wanted to dick down the Celestial Lions. I can't imagine it's easy to declare a first founding chapter to be enemies of the state.
Yeah, but in this case the Space Wolves actually fricked up and overstepped. Publicly. There wouldn't be any need to fabricate shit.
And even if they had to go through some ellaborate ruse, that would still have been more acceptable than the NOTHING that happened. The Space Wolves got away with it, no consequences. Which is more than even the Celestial Lions can say thanks to the Ork Snipers, as you said.
The inquisition wasn't just that dude. The SWs got away with that because they killed that specific Inquisitor who started the whole mess. Remember that dude who took control of the whole ecclesiarchy and was corrupt? Goge vandire. There was a conspiracy to kill him and no one said shit.
But I see your point and I don't entirely disagree, but it's shit that happens.
Can't wait to go down the chaos path and do the following
>Corrupt the SoB into a slaanesh worshipper
>Convince the psyker to answer the call of the dark gods and summons demons
>Convince the tech priest to replace his body with xenos tech and become a heretek
>Sacrifice the Eldar to slaanesh
>Make the space wolf fall to khorne
>Make the guardsman go insane
If you can't do these things i won't buy the game.
More like make the psyker overstep her limits and explode
Guess we're getting a lot of companions, since that girl's not even there.
so can I bang the sister of battle or is that gonna be heresy because the imperium is gay
Depends on what Order she's from. Some are celibate, some aren't.
If she isn't then it would be heresy not to mating press her.
One of the things I like about the FFG RPG's is that they give a good oppurtunity to showcase the sheer variety of different imperial cultures and the various minor xeno's, I hope they don't go too hard putting all the focus on recognisable big name 40k stuff in the spotlight but the space marine has me worried.
what space marine?
A space wolf
space wolves are cool
Flip a coin. On one hand since it is based on the FFG RPG we will probably get an adaptation of one of their modules for the game. On the other hand GW always calls the shots so they may mandate what bullshit needs to be in there.
>I hope they don't go too hard putting all the focus on recognisable big name 40k stuff
You have far more optimism than I
I'm not actually expecting things to be otherwise I just wish it could be the case
Breedable.
>no krootbro
>no ork kommando, loota or big mek to fix all your gubbinz
>no toasterfricking magos
Except the space marine is stronger than all of the rest combined.
The Average Space Marine can be killed by almost every other faction in the game, I don't care what Adeptus looked like to your onions brain the rules state otherwise.
Every non-human faction. The average Space Marine is worth 1000 guardsmen.
Space Marine can get murked by a guardsman with a plasma gun or lascannon, and neither of those is particularly rare. Astartes have to reply on shock tactics and forward momentum to accomplish most of their goals against a large, entrenched force, so if you just threw a space marine against a few squads of guardsmen on an open field the guardsmen would probably win.
>Astartes have to reply on shock tactics and forward momentum to accomplish most of their goals against a large, entrenched force
This isn't true as each space marine legion rely on different tactics. Alpha Legion for example.
They need to shoot the Marines
before he shoots them first, homosexual. See canon depiction in picrel.
One of the Word Bearers gets stabbed in the throat by a feral Cadian with a spear the first time they go to visit the Eye of Terror and fricking dies lmao
Rolling double 6's then the word bearer rolled double 1's lmao
He had no way to remove the nails without lobotomizimg him, but that doesn't mean he couldnt have saved everyone else instead of telling him and his slavebros to go frick themselves
So I can only assume the emperor had bad intentions for angron rhe moment he saw him and angron was right to betray the man who fricked him and his friends over.
That wasn't what I meant though, the emperor hinted himself that he could un-chaos a daemon primarch, and there's a reason the chaos gods call him the Anathaema
I don't think the story was quite like that. From what I read, the battle was already all but over by the time the Emperor got there and they just pulled out his corpse, which the Emperor revived.
He then tried to remove the Nails but found out that, in doing so, Angron would be perma-dead. So he left them in.
Plenty of Mechanicus, Psykers and Eldar that can solo space marines in a straight fight.
Hell, even a single guard, if decently equipped and in the right circumstances, could kill a Space Marine.
No ork boyz companion no buy
Where's the lovable ork companion, anon?
Surerly a space marine has better thing to do than bum around with a rogue trader
Maybe a segment where you temporarily take one on as you transport him to some place he needs to reach
Space Wolves are like the one chapter that I could see going on a moronic adventure for shits and giggles
I'll allow it, bonus points if he convinces you to try some fenrisian ale
See
No nekrons no buy
There was a Necron orbital facility in the teaser cinematic but I doubt you'll get a Necro companion (unless they're in disguise for most of the game).
>unless they're in disguise
<< HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOW HUMANS >>
>oldcron warrior companion
>doesn't say anything for 3/4 of the game
>get to the final boss
>makes an off the cuff joke out of nowhere
>surprises everyone
>goes back to silence
>Endgame reveal that everyone was a disguised necron the whole time
My dude isn't looking too healthy, looks like he's got a touch of the old jaundice.
Devs said the Sister and the Wolf would leave you if you recruited too many xenos, so maybe there's still more companions to be discovered
I have a feeling that her backstory almost entirely hinges on a relative of hers being/was a heretic who will/was either killed by her or was traumatized by their treason or smt.
No, in the summary they've given it's stated that, as time goes by, she starts suspecting that her thoughts aren't thoughts, but actual voices inside her head.
So long as theres a way to kill her or let her die then I don't care. I won't be taking her or interacting with her to begin with.
>unsanctioned
>Unsanctioned psyker
DAEMONBAIT GET YE GONE
She looks pretty sanctioned going by the Imperial equipment she is wearing friend.
What the frick do they know?
>unsanctioned
so shes gonna be an ultra schitzo
Frick off Thanquol queer
looks fine be pol somewhere else.
Her being black is a nonissue. Her being unsanctioned means she needs to be put down ASAP.
What is the difference between sanctioned and unsanctioned psykers? Like what do the sanctioned ones to do in order to become safe?
Sanctioned ones have specific physical and mental restrictions put on them to reduce the chances of
happening. Unsanctioned are in theory 'stronger' but also run a much higher risk of fricking exploding if they think wrong.
Perils of the Warp are not something you frick with. The effects can range from 'psychic ability fizzles' to 'psyker screams in agony as they melt into a puddle of still living flesh that a daemon promptly climbs out of'.
(Me)
And for extra proof of why you don't use unsanctioned psykers, please refer to this fun table of horrible things that can happen.
Aren't these tables supposed to have positive effects as well? This is just all bad.
The 40k one does but the dark heresy rpg is just butt fricking after butt fricking
No?
I never fricked with WH. In stuff like D&D or other systems when it's like, "Arcane magic is unreliable," the tables after casting mix bad with good, because they still want people using arcane magic. That table just says, register your psykers.
Strictly speaking, in the rpgs you roll perils if you're unlucky on the Psychic Phenomina table, unsanctioned psykers tend to roll more but if they don't push are almost as safe as a sanctioned one. The fantasy wh tpgs have 3 different tables too.
Now, one of Black Crusade's heretical unsanctioned psykers with maximum Warp power and deliberately Pushing their powers as far as they can? Hoo baby, that's the stuff of turn 1 party wipe outs
>Roll 6-8
>Immediately shit pants
Frick you Nurgle
Don't make me find the Chaos mutations tableS anon. Filled britches will be the least of your worries, especially if it's the ones from WHFRP.
Notice how all the human Psykers in the main 40k wargame are either sanctioned or trained cultists.
I don't know anything about WH, I just always thought halle berry was hot.
For comparison here's the 40k 7th edition perils of the warp table.
Perils have changed since then, right now in 9th and previously 8th edition perils of the warp is just taking 1-3 points of unavoidable damage.
It's Perils of the Warp, Anon. Not Gifts of the Warp, that would be heresy.
Even heretics get fricked up by this stuff.
It is the just rewards for their turning their backs on the light of the Emperor.
It is because the Gods find hubris immensely amusing.
There is no benefit to a psyker losing control and being taken over by the warp.
This is like a critical failure, and this table shows how much it fricks you from "pretty bad" to "completely fricked".
Psykers in 40k are incrediby powerful, even able to solo multiple space marines, but it comes at a big risk.
If it doesn't work like this I'm not fricking buying. They have all the rules laid out for them and only have to make them work.
Basically the Sanctione ones are trained to control their powers responsibly, rarely if ever tapping into their full potential and often having a number of safeguards to stop them doing so.
Un sanctioned don't and thus have a very bad habit of ripping open holes in reality and flooding the area with daemons, getting posesse by daemons, exploding into daemons, and geneally ruining the day of everyone in the general vicinity.
Sanctioned psykers are trained how to use their powers to serve the imperium and have their souls connected to the emperor to help avoid demonic possession. They also are kept under surveillance and have guidea they need to follow
Unsanctioned psykers are trained how to use their own powers and since they don't have the limit of being kept under surveillance they can become as powerful as they want but since their souls aren't connected to the emperor and because of the lack of surveillance they run a high risk of falling to chaos or becoming possessed by a demon
You're mixing up sanctioned psykers with astropaths. It's the latter who go through soul-bonding with the Emperor.
>brown girl
>whitey hair
Yes please.
Are you fricking blind?
What am I missing? She looks like short-haired Halley Berry with strands of straight hair like whitey has rather than stiff and wiry hair.
is it just me or does the art seem kind of messy? like an ai generated image. most of it seems blurry and indistinct
I'm hoping it's an early draft/concept art because I wholly agree. Her face doesn't really fit her head, and her hair doesn't really fit her face or head. All around weird.
I know literally nothing about her, so I have no thoughts.
I think she looks cute in a way! Shame she's unsanctioned though. Also knowing Owlcat she's motivated entire by ugly and pathetic motivations.
WHAT A BEATIFUL AND POWERFUL STRONG WOMYN OF COLOR. SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE HAS ABORTIONS ALL THE TIME!
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE MORE STRONG WOMYN OF COLOR IN OWLCAT GAMES AS WELL AS ALL SORT OF MINORITIES SUCH AS GAYS AND homosexualS
I don't care, just give me a Slaugth enemy.
>token black character
>criminal
>insane
>can explode at any moment, unleashing literal hell on you and your ship
What did Owlcat mean by this?
Nothing, they just decided to give us an actual interesting character instead of a token harmless character.
I might use a different portrait
I hope someone fix her ugly ape face
>from Black person to ginger
the anti-woke wash
nice fix m80, make sure to make a mod for it
is this the original design by chance?
the face looks European as frick, 0% Black person and the colors even match in contrast with the backgrounds
i could see this being the original color and c**ts at HR forcing the artist to paint it black for PR
it wouldn't surprise if the artist who made was posting it here
You type like a homosexual.
>is this the original design by chance?
You wish. Just an edit
I dont even care about the skin colour, psykers look cooler when they're bald and covered in imperial tattoos
Bald works too.
nice
Now this looks pretty fricking great, though blindfolds on a Psyker tend to imply Astropath in 40k.
Made the head a little too big. Though on an unsanctioned psyker maybe that's normal.
saved
Am i moron, or head is look little big? Great edit beside that.
40k is for White Men only.
How open are their games? Can I kill companions?
Because this psyker prostitute is gonna get the bullet the second I even see any chaos bullshit.
You could kill that serial killer b***h and the spidercat b***h in their previous game, at least.
I think you could kill them all if you went one of the evil routes.
You can kill almost all companions in their previous games, and those that you can't kill you can shoo away.
You can recruit mercs that you build yourself down to the portrait and appearence if you want to substitute a useful companion you decided to kill.
the only characters that you can't get rid of are special snowflake narrator characters like linzi in Kingmaker.
They have a dialogue option called "I dont like you Die!" So yeah im preety sure you can kill her
btw she's already fricked 10 dudes and divorced 3, oh you just wanted to buy ammo aha wow that ammo type reminds me of my used up c**t. BTW im used goods
Anon are you okay
Do you want to talk about something
Play stardew valley
t. owlcat
He's mad because he found out Wenduag, a literal mongrel that lived in caves and that submits to demons to gain the slightest amount of power, wasn't a virgin.
Actually he's mad about Valerie bringing up her ex on a date with yo
FRICK VALERIE prostitute. I romanced salad because of that shit.
>muh virgin fantasy
And? The rogue trader isn't going to carry on his dynasty with a psyker anyway
So what's rogue trader like as a ruleset? How does it play? Never heard of it before this game was announced
>So what's rogue trader like as a ruleset?
If you're familiar with Dark Heresy it's similar to that, if not it's a d100 percentile system where when a d100 is rolled the dm will also roll one and you'll compare it to a target number to determine whether you succeed or not (with attributes and modifiers of course)
How well do you think Owlcat can translate the tabletop experience to a crpg? No idea how well they converted the pathfinder ruleset for kingmaker and wrath, but I enjoyed those games.
They likely won't. The Fantasy Flight RPGs stopped being produced a while ago. Owlcat using a Rogue Trader is almost certainly due to the fact that Rogue Traders have a ton more leeway than almost all other Imperial entities and are basically the only ones who can freely work and cooperate with xenos without being (immediately) shot dead for it.
It is being based on the FFG RT RPG though. Up to and including being set in the Kronus Expanse. Doubt it could be a 1:1 translation of the ruleset, but it should be close enough to be interesting.
That's actually news to me. Weird that they WOULDN'T add an Ork at least.
Gotta save something for DLC. But a whole thing based around Freebooters would make sense.
>It is being based on the FFG RT RPG though. Up to and including being set in the Kronus Expanse
Kingmaker and Wrath were translated pretty well though modified from the table top game.
I'm not sure if owlcat will use a system similar to pathfinder but if they did it would probably be pretty close to the table top game, although the fantasy flight rpg's have been out of production for awhile now but they probably have a copy of the rules lying around now that the Warhammer rpg license was transferred to cubicle 7.
I doubt they'll use the exact ruleset, maybe base it on the more recent Wrath and Glory rules, but I can see them translating the themes well. The Space Marine retainer worries me slightly, but it could work. It's a preference thing, I like emphasising the sheer variation of Imperial cultures and lesser known 40k weirdness like the Slaugth.
They said it would be based on FFG rules but who knows what that will actually mean
People hated the "minigames" of Kingmaker (kingdom managment) and Wrath of the Righteous (mini kingdom management and Not!HoMM). I thought they were fine but people didn't like being taken away the parts they liked to engage in a "minigame".
The tabletop game is a bit rocket taggy given everyone can afford power armour and Las cannons at level 1, and the ruleset isn't as refined as later versions like Black Crusade and Only War, but its immensely flavourful. You can quest, you can politic, if you don't showboat at least a bit you're a fool and a coward, and you've got a mile long starship that's one part enterprise, one part feudal city, and one part druglord's party boat with a letter from God telling you to Go Forth And Make All The Money. If you can't find fun in that, I don't know what to tell you.
Source: am running Rogue Trader, although currently on hiatus as work is a nightmare right now.
>not a necron
Don't care.
Sanity is for the weak! Embrace Chaos.
Does Chaos employ rogue traders? Asking for a friend.
>Does Chaos employ rogue traders?
A rogue trader could be a secret chaos cultist but chaos doesn't do any trading or civilzation building I believe. Daemon worlds are just pure anarchy like the warp itself usually.
>Daemon worlds are just pure anarchy like the warp itself usually.
Depends on a number of things. Some have a semblance of civilisation where one could acquire goods and potentially trade things to. Slaaneshii worlds specifically tend to have things like that since it is a source of new experiences, and they can spread their corruption via the outgoing goods.
>do regular trade with Slaaneshi cults
>decline invites to several parties
>Slaaneshi cults grow more interested as you play hard to get
Not in the specific sense. Some Rogue Traders tread the line though and are willing to risk getting and trading Chaos tainted goods for profit though. And nothing to say they themselves would not end up corrupted and using their position to corrupt others.
No, though rogue traders may be corrupted by chaos.
Chaos is not organized enough to do trading
Does Rogue Trader have 400 useless classes like Pathfinder
The FFG game has these as the core classes:
Rogue Trader, Arch Militant, Astropath Trandscendent, Explorator, Missionary, Navigator, Seneschal and Void Master. The expansions added: Ork Freebooter, Kroot mercenary, a dark Eldar thing I can't remember and a Tau. Each class also had lots of alternate ranks or special things they could take instead of normal level progression, so an Ork could be a Mekboy or Kommando for example.
>a dark Eldar
A Kabalite and a Wych to be precise. And considering the Eldar in
is very much NOT either of those (extremely likely a Ranger) the xenos companions probably won't follow the rules.
What book was the Tau in? I do not recall that.
It wasn't a book, it was a separate download from the FFG website. Had some weapons as well.
man the tau was OP because of the battlesuit
Ugly.
About what I expected from owlcat, just hoping there's a few cool ones techbro please or we can fill our party with generics instead.
So are they gonna pull-off another Black person move and make her essential to your party like the last game, as well as slipping some ghetto-speak here and there like the last game? Also yet another black character who came from the ghetto with a victim complex, how original...
It's 40k. If you're a baseline human everything is a ghetto and everyone is a victim.
I'm honestly fine with the whole rags to adventure origin, it's the american ghetto culture that really irks me. That was the case with the paladin in their last game.
The niggress was in no way essential to your party. You can easily pull Regill for tank duty.
If they somehow make the non-sanctioned Psyker unkillable that will actually stop me from buying the game.
hive cities are super-ghettos and the large majority of humanity comes from them
They better not speak jive
Considering Games Workshop's country of origin It would be wienerney if anything for any party member that is supposed to be"lower class".
I wonder how they're going to deal with the fact the setting has no easy ressurection like most party-based CRPGs I've played. Will they rework the fate points system to be a bit more replenishable or just say "frick you reload whenever a party member dies".
Should just let us recruit a new character with randomized appearance and abilities.
They could do it like Deadfire where you can get KO'd three times and get debilitating injuries but if you don't heal them before the fourth death they permadie.
They will balance the game with party wipe in mind I guess, characters get up when battle is over no matter what, but be careful if they all die.
A bit dissapointing since high lethality was one of the things I liked about the tabletop but probably the best solution given the crpg formula where everybody would just reload saves until they cleared an encounter without deaths anyway.
If they ARE basing it on the FFG games, all the PCs got between 1 and 4 Fate Points as standard which you could burn to not die when, for example, rolled a 10 on
. You could gain extra fate points in play too, and they had other effects like allowing rerolls to succeed. Fate represented the fact that the PCs were important in some metaphysical way, so weren't allowed to die until they'd done it. That didn't stop them from getting completely mangled, mind, only that it wouldnt kill them - you could be a blind, limbless meat lump with your skin burned off, but somehow you'd pull through. Luckily, Rogue Traders can afford the good stuff when it comes to bionics!
are any of the WH40K games even any good besides Space Marine?
Dawn of War 1 and 2 are pretty good
Is it possible to fight daemons as a soul in the Warp?
As a soul? No
As someone thrown into the warp? Technically yes but the only people to successfully survive in there are grey knights and primarchs like Corvus
>grey knights and primarchs like Corvus
One of those being a space marine chapter created specifically to fight warp creatures, and the other being one of the things that all space marines are inferior copies of.
Yes, the point I was making was good luck surviving and thriving inside of the warp
They trade and raid for slaves, which are basically the only "currency" they care about
Are you the emperor?
No, I am Alpharius
No, I am Alpharius!
No lol unless your psychic potential was so high your soul manifest as a raging warp storm
The white race was no longer based, but then again neither is russia
>Shopping her face to make her black
That's low Ganker
>no intentionally disgusting old hag face
>no sassy attitude
>no 70s afro
it could have been much worse
i only hope one of the companions is a big tiddy eldar bimbo
all that said
the greatest 40K game ever made would be one where you main a gang of Orks doing something moronicly orkish like cutting a deal with Khorne so they can bait the Tyranids, Necrons, Drukary, World Eaters and Black Templars in a free for all WAAAGH
they could even throw demon Angrom and some random avatar of Kaine for more fun
Just imagine the dark fatalist humor, the satirical hyper masculinity, the comedic levels of brutish barbarism being mundane in Ork society.
And the best part is that Orks have no females, so no b***hing, no relationships, no romance, no waifuhomosexualy, not a single reason for SJWs to worm their bullshit into the plot
just plain old dumb Orks having fun in the WAAAGH!!! while being unapologetically evil for the sake of heavy metal gory slapstick comedy
70s afro would work for a Psyker if you gave it a Bride of Frankenstein-style white streak.
Orkish "so moronic it's brilliant" shenanigans are my favorite 40k trope
>be ork
>get thropwn back in time when you try to space travel
>specifically to just before you left
>meet your past self
>big fink.jpeg
>kill past self so you now have two of your favorite gun
Ludokino
will we be able to corrupt the SoB?
>But Idira’s cavalier attitude and underestimation of warp powers come at a price. With each passing day, she is less and less sure whether the voices in her head are her own thoughts or murmurs from the other side. Once proud and arrogant, now the diviner is but a shadow of her former self, a tortured and broken soul haunted by the whispers from beyond the veil. There is no escape from them except eventual death and eternal damnation – and even if a glimmer of hope were to appear, it might be nothing more than the temptation of heresy.
Not the strong independent woman people are making it out to be, sounds like how an unsanctioned psyker will be.
I kind of hope all the companions have downward spirals for their character arcs, I want to really feel like things have gone to shit by the endgame.
if you can't BLAM her immediately it's a bad 40K game
It's 40k. It would be surprising if there's a purely happy ending for anyone in the game, let alone everyone.
Even though RTs tend to be absolute mad lads even they know keeping an unsanctioned psyker around is basically a ticking timebomb. I will be very interested to know the justification for her presence. Hopefully something that makes sense like she is needed for unlocking some mystery to find some maguffin that will be immensely profitably so it is worth the risk.
>Keep the psyker around just to have her unlock a macguffin
>Plan to immediately shoot her as soon as it's unlocked
>She knows she's only being kept around to unlock the macguffin and intentionally makes up additional steps to keep herself alive longer
>Certain other companions will figure it out faster than others and tell you to handle it in different ways
I'm falling to chaos and I'm taking everyone with me.
this artist is a moron. tit shield. tit weapon. two exposed weak point breasts.
homie that's a fricking Greater Daemon, shooting its breasts would probably just turn it on (more)
Do you even slave to the dark god of pleasure and pain
Attacking their breasts just makes them hornier
It's an energy being given form, anon. Armor would be made out of the same material as the skin.
I bought a box of Necron warriors today
Gonna paint them over the long weekend
All I know is that I'm supposed to thin my paints
Too much flesh
Do I have to play as a rogue trader? I want to be a psyker wizard chad. Maybe we will be able to dip into different classes.
wouldn't really make sense for the party leader to be anything else, unfortunately
Rogue Traders can be psykers
Which one of you is correct?
The way rogue traders work is they inherit the warrant of trade so if a rogue trader passes it to their next of kin who happens to be a psyker that psyker will become a rogue trader.
>Do I have to play as a rogue trader?
Yes
>unfortunately
The closest thing to a proper sanctioned psyker that is usually in a RT's party is the Astropath, some of which can manifest some powers besides their long range telepathy. Otherwise you would have to risk taking in an unsanctioned psyker which is a terrible idea for multiple reasons. And any RT with psychic abilities would get black shipped despite their families warrant of trade.
You can be the Rogue Trader (the Title, the holder of the warrant) while not having to be Rogue Trader (the Class)
Very interesting. Hopefully the game will include an option for this. Thank you.
Black person SEXO!!!
Were the only enemies shown just Dark Eldar and Chaos?
Regular Eldar were also shown
Necrons were >implied
I hope we can work with my homie Trazyn to liberate some artifacts
>implying Trazyn needs your help and wouldn't just stick you into a stasis cage for his rogue trader collection
He uses mind shackled humans for assistance when he needs to
Yeah, and then shelves them when he is done with them.
Doesn't sound like a great deal anon. Even if you make yourself always useful, somehow, you are still a slave.
I wouldn't mind being an exhibit as long as that dickhead Orikan doesn't show up
Necrons are the perfect race to use as the final bosses of the story. Especially if they use their deathwatch stats.
I didn't like them for a long time, but the recent trend towards using more alien body shapes and mixing up the color palette a bit helps them significantly. Cryptech has always been cool to me but the Necrons themselves are just meh.
I love all their creepy matrix robo monsters
BLACK GUY
WOMAN
GET IN HERE
can we have a good looking black woman for fricking once please
>Wow, they just lost a sale.
Yep.
Man Angron and Konrad are based
Angron is a piece of shit for ordering the World Eaters to Butcher's Nails up while knowing full well they ruined his life.
Curze is pretty based tho
I mean, it is not like he is making great rational decisions on account of him having the nails on his head and the Emperor forcing him to watch all his friends get slaughtered.
Space batman was a paranoid moron who committed suicide
And Angry Ron was a damaged pitbull that should have been put down or remade
I guess. Typhus, Kharn and Abaddon are fricking based though.
Explain how a mass of pus, filth and flies is based
He told his primarch how much he sucks
He realized the imperium sucks and told the chaos god to frick off.
Kharn is the coolest, though. Followed by Sevatar.
>told the chaos gods to frick off.
>Thinks he isn't their puppet
Abaddon literally does chaos's work.
He doesn't like them, he doesn't trust them and he doesn't serve them blindly, but his actions still benefit them and he knows it.
From "Talon of Horus"
" Only a madman heeds the Four Gods’ promises as anything more than teasing possibility. The best way to survive living in the Eye of Terror is to understand the warp. The best way to prosper is to master it. The quickest way to die is to trust it."
And also
"Without Abaddon, they have no hope of victory. If he would only choose one of them, if he would only commit his destiny to one of the Gods, it would bring the Great Game of Chaos to its final moves. But then Abaddon would lose. He fights not for the Pantheon, those creatures that hate how they need him, nor does he care about their Great Game. He fights for himself, for his own ambitions, and for the brothers at his side."
Basically he further their cause but only because it also furthers his own. He is no blind follower but he gets caught up in their whims every now and then.
He *thinks* he isn't a blind follower, just like ahriman *thinks* he's working only for himself
The chaos gods will have their due in the end
>He told his primarch how much he sucks
I guess it must take some balls to tell your genefather he's weak and stupid, but it's balanced by the Nurgle worship
>sevatar
yo check this out
context: sevatar has been imprisoned by the dark angels, and he's in contact with another prisoner, a little girl whose crime is just being a psyker and she gets abused and tortured by the overseer. She talks to him all the time and when sevatar learns that she's being abused, he breaks free of his prison, goes to frick up the overseer BADLY (killed him, lol!) and then returns to his cell
Here's the problem, in 40k that girl is a ticking time bomb
One unaccounted unprotected rogue psyker can potentially cause an entire planet to be genocided in a tide of daemonic nightmares that use their body as a gateway
It's not fair but nothing in 40k is supposed to be fair
If the girl is a Psyker, she's supposed to be either executed or put on a Black Ship. Torture isn't a good choice because all it does is increase the likelihood of her exploding into daemons.
Also true, but they're dark angels, like frick they're gonna let anyone know about anything at all they're doing
>Failbaddon
>Based
>Abaddon
Abaddon is actually the shittiest character there is
Literally anyone else would be a better warmaster
Argel Tal is the most based traitor. All he ever wanted was the truth. And then he's sad that the truth sucks.
The emp forced him to be a damaged pit bull tho
If he actually bothered to save the slaves and wipe out the slave masters with a snap of his fingers instead of kidnapping angron on the eve of battle he probably wouldn't have held an eternal grudge from then onwards.
So I can only assume the emperor wanted one less son to deal with but angry Ron was still a useful tool in the moment.
Also it's hinted that the emp might be able to uncorrupt a daemon primarch
The Emperor had no way to fix Angron, sadly.
Angron is one of the primarchs that were properly ruined by Chaos's play at tossing them out into the universe and hoping they get fricked somehow.
By the time the Emperor got to Angron, he already had the nails implanted and had no way to fix him. It says so in "Master of Mankind". To remove the nails would be equal to killing Angron.
So at that point his choice was to kill him or to try and direct his anger at the enemies of humanity. "A compromised primarch is still a primarch", the Emperor said.
>Chaos's play
It's a word bearer
The Emperor implies that he could fix Ferrus having his head removed if he had enough time. I'd wager in a similar fashion, he could have killed and then fixed Angron, if he wasn't in a hurry with the Great Crusade. Unless the Nails fricked Angron so hard that they also ruined his soul, which is certainly possible.
This is directly addressed in Master of Mankind. The nails were fused with Angron's brain, they were a part of it and essential for it to continue working.
To remove the nails was to kill Angron.
Plus, by this point he had already revived Angron with his psyquic power, as he found him "dead" and the battle all but over.
If he didn't get the nails he'd either be the best primarch or lost primarch #3
I know that Angron was unrecoverable. But given the way that the Emperor tells Malcador that he could fix Ferrus Manus, it sounds like the Emperor could potentially create new bodies for the Primarchs and just magic their souls into them if he ever needed to revive one. I don't think he was planning to go recover Ferrus's mutilated corpse to bring him back.
The whole point of that conversation was that it only worked because Ferrus's head was salvageable. That is why he could save him.
Basically he could still save Ferrus so long as he had his head.
The problem with Angron is that his head was already fricked beyond repair by the time the Emperor found him.
>The whole point of that conversation was that it only worked because Ferrus's head was salvageable. That is why he could save him.
What leads you to believe that? Doesn't Ferrus's head almost immediately become a skull that Horus talks to? It's not like he can just give the skull a new body and Ferrus would be all good. Since he needs time it sounds like he needs to warp forge up an entirely new body for the guy.
I will concede that the whole things is vague enough. But the point stands that he seemed to want to get the nails out but couldn't do it, and since the story was played from his perspective, there wasn't really any room for deception here.
It just couldn't be done in any proper way, I guess.
Maybe his soul really was fricked somehow.
>The emp forced him to be a damaged pit bull tho
The emp didn't implant the butcher's nails in his brain
>he probably wouldn't have held an eternal grudge
Lorgar or Erebus would have used the nails as a crutch to convince Angron murder senselessly because of the nature of the butcher's nails
This gets addressed.
Many of Angron's people also had nails implanted on them.
At this point they were basically a bunch of base-level slave lunatics.
It is also heavily suggested in "Master of Mankind" that the battle was basically over already by the time the Emperor got there and Angron "died", but was psychically revived by Big-E.
Essentially, the nails were basically keeping Angron alive and he didn't even realize he had died. My boy was literally too angry to realize he died.
Well that sounds like a massive fricking retcon, I preferred the emperor not necessarily having the best of intentions for his sons
I don't think those are mutually exclusive. Even if he didn't have the best intentions, it would still be to his benefit to not have Angron be a complete fricking lunatic.
It just wasn't a salvageable situation in any way. Sometimes there just isn't a winning option, even for the Big-E.
Maybe. Angron himself speculates that if he'd not been given the nails, he'd still hate the Emperor for being a tyrannical, slaving bastard.
It is not a retcon. In Corax's story, the Emperor even waited for the Bird Boy to finish his revolution at the his "homeworld" before having him join the Crusade.
So even if he just wanted the Primarchs as tools, he still tried to have them sort out their shit properly so they can focus on the job.
And Corvax was found AFTER Angron. So it stands to reason that he would have had helped out Angron if he could. He gains nothing from having the guy be a maniac with a big chip on his shoulder.
Well he does have a reason to want Angron to be that way. Big E knew some of the Primarch will fall to Chaos so he keep the "bad" one (Angron, Curze, Lorgar)around as sacrifice pawn who will eventually fall to Chaos while he get to keep his "good" one. In the end Horus fall is something he didn't see coming
In all fairness, Horus didn't see it coming either kek
Lorgar is still a homosexual though
>In the end Horus fall is something he didn't see coming
he said that the warmaster was gonna fall to chaos in master of mankind
maybe he thought he could save horus, and chose him for that reason. Either way, the lion would never fall. Sanguinius is said to be impossible to corrupt, yet he was ok with joining chaos to save his sons. Maybe Horus was the best option. Who knows what the emperor thinks, anything goes in the retcon heresy
Isn't there a massive fanfic where the traitors and loyalists get swapped up? Roboute Heresy led by Girlyman or something like that.
Maybe the Emperor was right. Maybe Horus falling and all the more moronic/defective primarchs going along with him is for the best.
If all the stable and competent primarchs went bad I imagine they would have actually won. The only traitors that actually got shit done was Perturabo and Curze
Heresy led by girlyman would fail miserably because Horus was better in every way
All of the heretic chapters before turning were the strongest, it was their own corruption driving their various desires to excess that was their greatest weakness
Horus had way better interpersonal skills but couldn't manage for shit when he got his chaos on
Bobby would make that run like a well oiled machine but it would collapse under the strain of his brothers' egos
Nope, chaos Bobby would fall prey to his own excesses just like Horus did well before his brothers egos ruined everything
And since Horus already is better in every way and wouldn't have a clouded mind he would curb stomp everyone
100% yes, let's see where this shit goes
Horus literally spelled out to Mort that his army is led by dumbass when he sent Mort to deal with Khan. Curze and Angron are insane, Lorgar like preaching more than fighting, Magnus dwell in self-pity, Fulgrim was been possessed, Pert was the worst at dealing with Khan and his legion.
Yeah now switch them around, with Horus being completely rational and organizing his brothers forces
>noblebright Curze hunting down traitors in the shadows with nowhere to hide
>noblebright Angron being an unstoppable hammer against any traitor force
>noblebright Fulgrim having the most skilled fighters and duellists in the legions with perfect precision
>iron warriors being a mirror match for Dorn but with a huge numbers advantage
>Morty and his death guard being tough as nails and impossible to break
>absurdly powerful psykers with web way travel since magnus was key to the emperors plans and just didn't know it yet
>no, I am alpharius
The only trash tier primarch in there is lorgar, chaos can keep him
Lorgar is so charismatic he could turn planets with a speech
And way more would need to change than swapping them around, because the warp is fickle and Magnus didn't cure the flesh change
Yeah but charismatic doesn't work for a fighting force of atheists who deny any form of divinity, especially when hes still buttblasted that his daddy embarassed him in front of everyone and denounced his 500 chapter empXjesus fanfic.
Lorgars boipussy is literally designed for chaos taint
I'm pretty sure Magnus was working on trying to find a cure, nothing a wacky warp adventure where he squares off against corrupted Leman Russ and his army of chaos-mutated literal furries to get the maguffin can't fix
Maybe big E should have taken Lorgar into a room and speak to him in private rather than humiliate him and have the Ultramarine burn his city. Even Gullyman said that was too far.
Sure but it doesn't change the fact that Lorgars entire skillset and temperament is built for chaos while being of dubious usefulness to the imperium
Even if emps told him off in private for trying to worship gods you could literally [speech 100] him into switching sides afterwards to chaos where "true divinity exists"
Once a dark god has your soul you can't just words words words out of that beyond just killing yourself in a brief flicker of lucidity, in which case the chaos god gets your soul anyway
There nobody better suited to spreading the imperial truth. He just needs a cause to embrace but since the emperor engineered the heresy Lorgar wasn't going to get to do that.
Yeah but this ain't gonna happen in the middle of a massive chaos uprising where you can't negotiate with the damned
Nah, Lorgar skill set is fit for diplomatic and propaganda, not all planet resist the Imperium and not all planet submit completely after been conquest. It's noticed that Lorgar conquest is slow but the planets he conquered are exceptionally loyal.
It gets better - he had the highest number of peaceful compliances out of all the Primarchs, including the likes of Sanguinus, Vulkan, or Roboute. Too bad ADB ruined him with his moronic novel.
There was a new twist set up recently, in that one of the loyalist Word Bearers, still alive in the 41st millenium, claims that this was the Emperor's final test, and had Lorgar not failed it and kept his faith, the Emperor would've seriously considered allowing the Cult of the Emperor to become a legal religion. Basically, Lorgar was Jobe.
Too bad Lorgar was a manchild, and too bad he surrounded himself with homosexuals
Can't fix what was always a trick and if you go noblebright then talking your enemies to death seems par for the course
>it was their own corruption driving their various desires to excess that was their greatest weakness
Which is my point exactly.
Perhaps it was better for them to be the ones to fall, as their weaknesses were more easily exploitable and would greatly bite them in their own asses.
The Emperor truly thinks of everything. I guess there was only 3 things that were truly outside of his plans:
1) Magnus ACTUALLY being a good boy, staying loyal and trying to cleverly use the Warp-phone to warn him, which in turn fricked everything up and destroyed the Human Webway the Emperor was building.
2) Sanguinus being even more of a good boy and trying to talk things out with Horus despite everything, which resulted in him getting murdered
3) The Emperor actually genuinely caring for Horus and hesitating in the fight, which caused him to be too severely injured. To the point where the Emperor had to use his powers to cut-off his own feelings in order to finally get the job done.
If those 3 things hadn't happened, the Empire would have come out pretty well from the Heresy. Sure, a few loyal primarchs would be dead and there would be a lot of damage, but nothing they couldn't come back from.
The Emperor worst aspect that he can't see the human part of his sons. The Magnus thing can still be salvage if the Emperor didn't send Russ to take Magnus in. Russ who already been known as the Executioner, have animosity with Magnus so it was easy for Horus to trick him into kill Magnus. If he have taken Russ and Magnus history into account, he wouldn't have send Russ.
In fairness, I don't think there was anyone else to send for Magnus at this point that would get there sufficiently fast. Everyone else was pretty tied up elsewhere.
I imagine he needed Magnus on earth PRONTO to help him and Malcador deal with the COLOSSAL psyquic frick up happening on Tera as a consequence of the Human Webway shattering.
But yeah, it was a mistake.
What doesn't make sense is that the Emperor could have easily had Magnus come back if he was willing to be a little dishonest with him once again. Magnus wants to come home but the Emperor wont let him unless he abandons his legion. Why Big E couldn't say "we'll slap your sons in stasis fields and see if we can't fix that flesh change business once your traitor brothers are dead" even if he didn't believe it is beyond me. What a time to stop lying to your kids.
Big E isn't a good father, he basically expect everyone to just listen and do what he told them rather than bother explain the reasons behind his action
>the emperor refers to Angron as "the 12th" and "it"
Shit father I agree
The Emperor inconsistently refers to the primarchs as their numbers as tools and as sons depending on when he's speaking and who he is talking to. In Master of Mankind, when he is talking to Land, Land sees him as an almighty scientist, so he refers to Angron as a tool in that instance.
In Constantin Valdor's book, Valdor has a conversation with Malcador about how they are shocked that the Emperor talks about the Primarchs with paternal affection while also talking about how his humanity is ebbing after whatever he did on Moloch.
Meanwhile in 40k, he simultaneously refers to Guilliman as "my son" and "thirteenth" at the same time.
ADB is fricking moron
I like his chaos books except the black legion ones, I despise khayon and the clone of horus shit was stupid but man he really sucks at everything else
Also, don't let him touch anything dealing with religion. Look at what he did to my boy Lorgar.
ADB turned all the chaos space marines into daddy issue manchildren.
Chaos space marines ARE daddy issue manchildren that also have grandaddy issues
At no point have they ever had a good point beyond asshurt that they wanna enslave and sacrifice everyone but the emperor won't let them
The Thousand Sons did get pretty hosed tbh
Ok yeah they got fricked over, but end of the day Horus orchestrated them getting fricked over and they used it as an excuse to go full moron instead of just renegade
I'm not sure about in heresy but current emps is implied to be shattered and fragmented, with the aspect of him that's been worshipped outstripping everything else and becoming his new personality
He wanted Magnus in chains to force him on the throne
And why lie when Magnus should have known the truth
It makes sense when you realize that The Emperor is flawed and makes mistakes. Chief among the is the fact that he plans things at such a future macro level that he misses the smaller things in the present.
That is why he has Malcador, for one. But even Malcador can't do everything.
He expects his primarchs to be like him and "above" the "common human pettiness", but they don't (Except for Sanguinus, the bestest boy of all. He is perfect.)
And who could he have sent? Everyone else was either of dubious ability or busy or too far away.
The Human Webway Project was doomed from the start, since even the Eldar have absolutely no idea how to repair/mantain it, and only their psychic abilities allow them to travel it relatively safely. The Emperor can't be everywhere at once. Someone would still have to lead those vessels travelling through the Webway. So either Navigators or Psykers would still be necessary.
I am fairly sure it was stated that Magnus was going to be doing that job. He was literally made to be in that chair, keeping the webway usable.
The Emperor actually had the whole thing planned out. Yes, Navigators might still be neccessary, but at least everyone wouldn't be travelling through the fricking warp.
>The only traitors that actually got shit done was Perturabo and Curze
You're forgetting the most important.
this dude fricked up traitors the most, allowed the white scars to live, pointed out security breaches in the palace (dorn killed him? for that), etc
cant brand him as traitor, he was the true hero. malcador raised him well
>this dude fricked up traitors the most
What about him planning the drop site massacre?
He was clearly just lulling the traitors into a false sense of safety.
Can't make an omellete without breaking a few eggs, as Alpharius famously said in his auto-biography "Me, Alpharius".
that was his brother, Alpharius
Alpha legion was so busy making plots within plots that they barely did anything other than just fighting, which is an irony in and by it itself.
Half of the alpha legion thought they were traitors pretending to be loyalists
While the other half thought they were loyalists pretending to be traitors
The Alpha Legion did buttfrick the Raven Guard
Deliverance Lost was a pretty good read.
The fact that it has the
>I am Alpharius!
>I am Alpharius too!
>What a coincidence, I'm pretty Alpharius myself.
>oh shit one of us is a commander??
exchange will always give it a special place in my heart.
>Isn't there a massive fanfic where the traitors and loyalists get swapped up?
It was Dorn. When shit went down Guilliman basically said "Frick this I'm out" and made Ultramar its own empire apart from everything.
That's why they put sanguinus in that specific trap, they knew he could never be swayed by normal means so use his own ideals of self-sacrifice against him
They would've come up with a bullshit way to make the lion fall.
>le khorne blade making you go insane lmao
arent a lot of 40k people clones
No? Clones are heretikal in 40k because they are soulless.
except for that one fulgrim clone that had Fulgrim's actual soul in it
Yeah, but that was a very specific circumstance since Fulgrim's soul was displaced. Not exactly a common occurrence.
I don't think there was ever any implication that Clonegrim had Fulgrim's original soul. Just that whatever warp shenanigans were involved in his cloning process beyond what Fabius had intended had given him a soul like a complete Primarch.
Pretty sure Fulgrim's original soul is busy being a filthy pleasure snek
There is. I distinctively remember the clone having the memories of Fulgrim, which would only be possible with his soul.
He shows regret at what he did to Ferrus, too.
Death Korps are clones. Ain't nobody is fooled by muh "fertility booster".
More like they are born like skavens from horribly misshapen things
Test tube babies aren't illegal tho
Because they aren't clones. They are just engineered people, still unique and with a soul.
Clones are "replicas", foul and souless. That is just the rules of the universe. Clones in 40k are only good for spare flesh.
Cloning in 40k is bad because of the nature of the universe and how it abhors that which is soulless. The few times cloning was attempted in any meaningful quantity it caused horrific mutations and monstruous creatures.
Pretty sure they use clones for a lot of servitors. Like the cherubs that fly around are almost always cloned infants iirc
Yeah, but those are servitors. Whether they are mutants, aggressive or not doesn't matter since they are basically just lobotomized pieces of flesh with machinery sticking out of them.
Not brown enough. Not trans enough.
I'm so tired of diversicrap everywhere. I don't even have the energy to hate it.
dumb secondary
>unsanctioned
how come the skulls in wh40k artwork are always european?
Because they're all dead by the 42nd millennium. And older is better so an old dead skull is better than taking some random living mutt's skull
Most 40k skulls are either Caucasoid or Mongoloid (Asian) if you go purely based on structure, but that's unreliable because of artistic style. At the end of the day the Caucasoid skull is the one most well-known when it comes to displays in popular media and that probably just informs the artists'understanding of what a skull looks like. Most people don't put much thought into the racial disparities in bone structure.
Not crazy enough looking.
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So did Rogal Dorn kill Alpharius or Omegon? I just read head of the hydra and I'm getting so confused or the last sentence where Alpharius (Omegon?) Says this was a lie did any of his story really happen then? On that note it says in the necron codex that Omegon is still active and is doing something with them. So is that living figure actually Omegon or Alpharius? Does that make the Alpha Legion still loyal if Dorn killed the traitor brother.
yes
but also no
Nobody fricking knows bro. If I had to guess, I'd say that the original Alpharius became Omegon, and the original Omegon, who was found with the Spear was the one who defaulted to Alpharius. This is because at the end of the Primarch novel, they talk about making the long term switch. Since Alpharius fought Dorn and died while using said Spear, I'd say that Dorn killed what was the original Omegon, who was more inclined to treason than the original Alpharius who is now Omegon and still alive.
Or the entire Alpharius Primarch novel is bullshit and we know nothing about what really happened other than one twin is definitely dead.
Maybe that's what they wanted you to think :^)
2deep
what a fricking boring design, it looks like one of those "insert yourself into the game!" kickstarter backer rewards.
It's just a bog standard Psyker, anon. The only unusual thing is that she has hair, and it's not like there haven't been psykers with hair before.
Nobody complains that the seneschal is just a generic bearded guy in an Imperial naval uniform.
The Horus heresy was a mistake
Moving on, how bad is the fleet management going to be
>fleet management
oh god
oh frick
You know you want it
They mentioned your main ship acting as your main "city". No, there will be planet management, like deciding what Forge Worlds will be forging, and it was implied you can have them manufacture heretical tech.
Having mechanicum ties could be neat but that still sounds like busywork
Speaking of, I wonder if there will be jokaeros
>that still sounds like busywork
it wouldn't be an Owlcat game without a terrible management sim component
globohomosexual crap
the game has been compromised
wont touch
wait until I tell you about Jonah Orion
>By purchasing Developer’s Digital Pack, you will join the creative process and help the developers to make the game by providing your feedback from an early stage. Also, you will get a unique Alpha Supporter Bridge Banner and your name in the Special Thanks credits section.
one of you paypig homosexuals better tell them to remove the used goods. i don't want to hear the SoB companion tell me about that time she got gangbanged by imperial guardsmen a la valerie
Are there any instances of daemons being on good terms with a mortal? Genuinely liking them? Could a khornate daemon that has repeatedly been killed by the same mortal end up enjoying and looking forward to their fights, say?
No.
Look up Devastation of Baal. Blood Angels and successors got saved from the tyranids by Kabandha. Does Ka'bandha like the angels? No, but he wants to kill them himself.
Stupid Blood Angels
I think Artel Tal's demon was reasonably accepting of him but then he was possessed.
Then again this is from a pretty bad book
Dude betrayer is awesome and argel tal and his daemon were cool
Demons do not have feelings. They do not like or hate things. They are emotions manifested. As in, all a Khornate knows is rage and battlelust, as that is the pantheon that governs it.
A khornate demon can relish in battle or despise weakness. They can even look forward to fighting X, but they do not "like".
The same applies to all to the others.
Daemons aren't people, they're emotions and thoughts made manifest
So following this logic the only ones that would look forward to seeing their mortal nemesis again would be slaaneshis, while every other type would be different flavors of "THIS TIME ILL GET YOU FOR SURE YOU ROTTEN SPACE MARINE!!"
I'm now envisioning Tzeentch demons as Scooby Doo villains.
Pretty accurate, especially since Tzeentch likes to frick up their plans for shits and giggles.
They are almost literally Scooby-Doo villains
There's one greater tzeentch daemon who keeps getting cucked over and over and over by the same space marine (think it was a grey knight) and it's absolutely hilarious
Iskandar Khayon's daemon familiar possessed a wolf during the Burning of Prospero and ended up acquiring the wolf's aspects which seemed to make it truly loyal to him.
Khayon is pretty bullshit between his loyal daemon, his sister space ship, and his DEldar zombie servant gf tho.
Too full lips, too wide nose, little too wide face. Skintone and hair is fine.
Emperor this
Emperor that
All Heresy
The truth is
The Emperor of Mankind is
And has always been
Italian
can we romance her?
40k is about extremes and this b***h looks like she came from some indie cyberpunk game. She looks way too calm and collected and trendy to be a psyker. Gimme a psyker like the ones from Dawn of War.
Summoning a daemon price better be a roll on the perils of the warp table
>repeatedly savescumming every psychic power check to fish for perils
The hair doesn't match her face at all, like they drew a cute pixie cut tomboy and then decided to blackwash a gorilla face in.
Black women tend to pull off the bald look a lot better than most other races, it's surprising they gave her hair.
She'd honestly look better with cornrows or something. Although it'd be pretty hilarious if she had the meme afro all vidya black women have, with the cables just disappearing into the afro.
>Although it'd be pretty hilarious if she had the meme afro all vidya black women have, with the cables just disappearing into the afro.
>afro turns into a plasmaball before shifting into a portal when shes drawing full power from the warp
That's actually a good point of a wasted design choice, they could have given her cybernetic cables as cornrows
Wouldn't that just end up looking like Butcher Nails?
Yeah I guess, but cybernetic cables as hair is underused and memorable
Debatable. Angron's not the only guy to have cables pulling along the length of his skull, pretty sure Perturabo and a number of canon psykers (including Librarians) look very similar.
She will be like Lohse from DOS2?
Entire game will be her struggling with a deamon and in the end you can exorcise it or let it consume her
If this was edited to be a pale readhead or tan tomboy they wouldve had a solid chance at becoming a timeless waifu that becomes a selling point of the game
Instead its just a forgettable Black person with no selling power to be forgotten in a week
You don't want an unsanctioned psyker as a timeless waifu, you want a bullet in her skull before she snaps and becomes a bubbling fleshy warp portal that infests your entire mile long ship with daemons
I think she looks ok
I think she looks alright, too, the hair just seems a bit incongruous: not just because psykers are bald on average, but because the hair doesn't really look good with her facial structure. Think she's unironically be prettier bald.
I like that theyre showing the ugly companions early enough for people to edit the portaits to not suck dick before the game even releases, ideally they didnt get a stereotypical sheboon voice actress because that will make it unfixable
This is a second companion revealed, you just wanted to talk about Black folk.
actually I just wanted to talk about rogue trader and this is the best way to get a thread going on Ganker
>unsanctioned psyker mutt
Yeah going to kill that one chief
can i play ork
There might be a freeboota companion.
Might.
vile
I've been wanting a Dark Heresy party-based CRPG for over a fricking decade. Rogue Trader is okay, I guess, but I really want a DH one where combat is hard and you go through mooks like crazy. None of that real-time with pause shit, either, give me something like Silent Storm with DH rules.
Are you me
It's a perfect turn-based RPG that was never made. Same thing with an XCOM clone as the Imperium fighting a genestealer or chaos cult on a hive world.
She doesn't look frickable.
Sad.
It's weird how much I dont want to frick ugly women. Like I'd rather die alone.
I would be more than alright with a BLACK QVEEN, but this isn't attractive.
So if your psyker looked like this you'd be okay with her being unsanctioned?
Empress Ellie. You're all welcome.
It would be a damn shame, but I'm not waiting for a time bomb to be used as a living portal to murderkill me, my ship and my crew
She gets nothing but the emperor's mercy
Yes.
>Pink glow in her hands
She belongs to Slaneesh
>be you, Rogue Trader
>one day in your travels beyond the mapped Imperium, you are approached by an Astartes wearing unpainted grey power armour
>he introduces himself as Alpharius
>refuses to elaborate further
>he offers to join you
>wont tell you why
>he promises its the expedient course of action and he guarantees the success of your mission if you bring him with you
do you allow Alpharius to join your retinue, Rogue Trader?
No, because he is lying. I am, in fact, Alpharius.
I have him thrown out of an airlock and then I shoot myself in the head because I know too much.
Praise be Alpharius.
Also say what you want about Angron but the truth is that perty and sons fricked off from the siege (rightfully so, can't blame them since they carried hard) but the WEs and Angron kept fighting til the end.
Maybe if the ECs weren't busy killing and raping civillians and making drugs out of their corpses the galaxy would be a better place.
>the galaxy would be a better place.
How
Chaos wins, humanity dies, nids aren't beckoned, necrons wake up and fix everything.
>thoughts on the first companion revealed for owlcat's WH40K rogue trader RPG?
heh
I honestly dont care too much about race inserts in a universe wide setting. What absolutely kills any current media setting is that despite 30 years of making the most grimderp setting imaginable, they will try to make her same marvel teir jokes, plot armor twice as think (black/women) and with put their own 'spin' on things by suggesting any woke shit. The setting is based almost centrally around (actual) racism and xenophobia. Two things the current media despises. Not to mention Nu-GW is "committed to inclusive narratives!" in their money grubbing cash grab antics. So really, its just all so tiresome.
I just want a hot Eldar tsundere who will constantly berate and belittle me but will over time begin to recognize my worth before finally having an emotional breakdown over the fact that I won't live forever like she will.
Well you'll get the first half of that the most you might get from the end is grudging respect and a pity frick
I want the dark eldar to tell you all about what the exodite used to do back in the day
It's canon that Eldar woman need multiple fricks to get pregnant unless you're lucky
I'd you take that source then they are genetically incompatible with humans
Eldars don't live forever and see humans as little better than beasts most of the time.
No, they see Humans as children.
She’s ok, I guess. The servoskull could use some more details.
kino
Second.
He's not a companion. He's a regular NPC
You mean that seneschal guy? Yeah looked alright.
ADB is a ginormous homosexual and they probably paid him to write that "40k is for everyone!" drivel PR statement.
But his Night Lords books were pretty good.
who the frick gave those trannies wh40k rights? Aren't they Russian and should be sanctioned?
Moved to Cyprus I think I was told
No he still looks completely wrong
Kek. Don't care buying anyways.. Owlcat makes fun games and it makes you homosexuals seeth. Can't wait to lay pipe to a SoB or an Eldar frick bawd.
transexual wheelchair-bound space marines when?
did black people specifically black women not exist in 40k or something?
they do OP just wanted to get a warhammer thread going and baiting Ganker with a black character is the easiest way to do it.
Wokecat strikes again