>BG is an aimless walking simulator
And that's what makes me love it more than any other entry in the series. I love the feel of adventure, not really knowing where you're supposed to go, running into all sorts of interesting events in the side areas and accidentally stumbling into something that instakills your party because you weren't ready for it.
BG2 is too handholdy by only letting you access areas that have been added to your map, and ToB is a boring linear shitshow.
More like quick save and quick load until you are satisfied with the outcome.
Frick difficulty spikes! This shit is not worthy as the final chapter.
Stupid casul.
so bored of people shitting on ToB. its a great final showdown for the saga and has some of the best battles that let you use all those high level abilities spells and artifacts you collected over your adventures
Tasteful gentleman.
>its a great final showdown for the saga and has some of the best battles that let you use all those high level abilities spells and artifacts you collected over your adventures
Oh yeah, let me just use time stop. Oh wait, the enemies have immunity against it and I'm killing my own party by freezing them in place while the enemy can attack them as they wish.
so bored of people shitting on ToB. its a great final showdown for the saga and has some of the best battles that let you use all those high level abilities spells and artifacts you collected over your adventures
>its a great final showdown for the saga and has some of the best battles that let you use all those high level abilities spells and artifacts you collected over your adventures
Oh yeah, let me just use time stop. Oh wait, the enemies have immunity against it and I'm killing my own party by freezing them in place while the enemy can attack them as they wish.
There are like four characters that are immune, and one of them isn't even immune all the time, another is an optional fight. Anyone being immune to time stop was fricking kino as well, better yet if you use the ascension mod which makes the bhaalspawn immune to time stop too.
To this day I have no idea how anyone can enjoy these games. "Real time with pause" combat is utterly fricking awful by it's very design. Something like Dragon Age Origins I can sort of stomach despite the gameplay but the Baldur's Gate games are simply too archaic when it comes to the AI and pathfinding. You frequently find your characters doing shit you didn't actually tell them to do, getting in eachothers way or just standing there doing nothing. When it comes down to it it's just not fun pausing the game every two seconds to micromanage everything either.
I'd love if someone made a mod that turn them into proper turn based games so I could actually enjoy playing them. Pillar of Eternity II did a pretty good job implementing a turn based mode even if it's imbalanced in places. There's no way I would have played that game otherwise.
I think a lot of people get nostalgia goggles from the comfy visuals/atmosphere in BG1. The game is so flawed, like how you can easily powerlevel and break the game by just spamming rest and killing ogres over and over for the massive exp they give.
It's all a mix of nostalgia and 20 years of replaying with full game knowledge and mods like SCS installed to try to grant some sense of depth to the combat even though it really just adds a few rounds of spell protection dueling before auto-attacking everything to death.
play with autopause at the end of each round dummy >You frequently find your characters doing shit you didn't actually tell them to do, getting in eachothers way or just standing there doing nothing.
Sounds like a you problem, you probably didn't turn the ai scripts off.
Auto-pause on spellcast is what you want, it's by far the most relevant auto-pause option in terms of gameplay. Everyone else can auto-attack, or use their abilities on the fly. Casters are the only ones that need micromanaging.
I remember the writing and voice acting in ToB being a step down in quality from the base game. If BG2 was a paperback fantasy novel, ToB was the comic book spinoff. Everything was bigger, louder, and a little bit more stupid. I suppose the narrative elements were given scant attention because the devs wanted to focus on BIG BOSS BATTLES this time. The other selling points were 1) a conclusion to your party romance, if you had one, and 2) Sarevok joins your party, which is fun fanservice when you're fourteen, I suppose.
It was pretty good in multiplayer. That's the best thing I can say about ToB. It's not a good storygay game at all.
>Sarevok joins your party, which is fun fanservice when you're fourteen, I suppose
Sarevok joining is great, that's just you being a hater. The writing is a bit weaker though but still good enough to cap off the series. There are much worse rpgs for storygays this is still probably upper B tier in terms of writing, and the gameplay makes up for it
What I most enjoyed about ToB really was the bullshit high level encounters they threw at you. It gave you an excuse to really experiment with HLAs, classes and equipment, so if you were into the mechanical side of the game, it was fun. Could have been handled better, but they were strapped for time and budget when they were making it, so they weren't able to give it the full send off they wanted to give it, and Ascension only had some of what they wanted to do. A shame.
BG had dogshit boring wilderness maps, it was just running around empty forests waiting for gnolls/wolves/spiders to attack, everything else was also crap up and until you reach Baldur's Gate itself. Cloakwood made me want to kill myself with how boring it was.
Durlag's Tower was great though, so refreshing at the end BUT then the werewolf island comes in and you end up back in dogshitville. The final werewolf fight is so moronic, the dagger is so useless and you have to use either weapons from Durlag's (nobody in your party uses swords? Whoops tough luck!) or magic to kill that thing cause it outregens everything
>BG had dogshit boring wilderness maps, it was just running around empty forests waiting for gnolls/wolves/spiders to attack >doigshit boring
you mean fricking SOVL
it would be soul if the maps weren't all samey-looking forests and the enemies had any differences between each other
there was virtually no difference between being attacked by xvarts, hobgoblins, gnolls, wolves, bears, skeletons, zombies, ogres or bandits cause they all act pretty exactly the same
literally the only enemies that required paying a modicum of attention were spiders (just walk away/disable), sirenes (only present in like 2 maps) and basilisks (chug potion/read scroll)
BG's wilderness is just an empty forest where you randomly get attacked by non-threatening fireball fodder health bars
Throne of Bhaal tries too hard to emulate the 'epic' storytelling of Planescape Torment, but the writing just isn't strong enough. The romance options in ToB become saccharine and unbearable, and the fact that Aerie ends up walking around with a baby in her backpack is downright bizarre. It's very railroaded and close to zero exploration or world building.
I actually think BG1 had the best storytelling of the entire series: a tight and straightforward story that didn't overwhelm the player or prevent the player from experiencing the world. A gradual escalation from small beginnings that kept the player invested. I wish more games would do the 'high adventure' style of storytelling instead of the grim and complex stories that one usually sees.
Once a year I replay the BG games. Every single time I get at TOB I'm thinking to myself "oh yeah I'll redo it this time, can't be as bad as I remember".
Every single time I just give up. The combat gets so boring so quickly. And I say that as someone who likes Icewind Dale.
ToB is fricking garbage.
Largely, yeah, but it's the only BG that is actually deals with the main plot. BG2 is about saving your imouto and BG is an aimless walking simulator.
>BG is an aimless walking simulator
And that's what makes me love it more than any other entry in the series. I love the feel of adventure, not really knowing where you're supposed to go, running into all sorts of interesting events in the side areas and accidentally stumbling into something that instakills your party because you weren't ready for it.
BG2 is too handholdy by only letting you access areas that have been added to your map, and ToB is a boring linear shitshow.
>BG is an aimless walking simulator.
Iron Throne? Bhaalspawn? I just want to go on adventures for heaven's sake!
>BG is an aimless walking simulator.
And it absolutely mogs the frick out of both BG2 and ToB for that exact reason
moron.
Stupid casul.
Tasteful gentleman.
Incompetent imbecile.
More like quick save and quick load until you are satisfied with the outcome.
Frick difficulty spikes! This shit is not worthy as the final chapter.
whatever
anyway, I finished the underdark, went to the elf shithole and got bored
does the game drag for too long or are those late parts just sthi?
Both.
>What if we made you fight another aspect of Bhaal... again
No, there has never been anything like it since. You won't have a comfy thread about it either, zoom zooms infesting this board will never understand.
There's been alot of comfy bg threads
so bored of people shitting on ToB. its a great final showdown for the saga and has some of the best battles that let you use all those high level abilities spells and artifacts you collected over your adventures
>its a great final showdown for the saga and has some of the best battles that let you use all those high level abilities spells and artifacts you collected over your adventures
Oh yeah, let me just use time stop. Oh wait, the enemies have immunity against it and I'm killing my own party by freezing them in place while the enemy can attack them as they wish.
there are like a handful of enemies total that are immune to timestop if that
There are like four characters that are immune, and one of them isn't even immune all the time, another is an optional fight. Anyone being immune to time stop was fricking kino as well, better yet if you use the ascension mod which makes the bhaalspawn immune to time stop too.
more like sucks total bhaalz gayit
name a bigger chad in the entire swordcoast
Korgan
Me.
I enjoyed Siege of Dragonspear more than ToB.
If you have Ascension and SCS installed then yes, it actually does provide some pretty intense boss battles and a suitably grand finale.
Now that's a hot opinion.
To this day I have no idea how anyone can enjoy these games. "Real time with pause" combat is utterly fricking awful by it's very design. Something like Dragon Age Origins I can sort of stomach despite the gameplay but the Baldur's Gate games are simply too archaic when it comes to the AI and pathfinding. You frequently find your characters doing shit you didn't actually tell them to do, getting in eachothers way or just standing there doing nothing. When it comes down to it it's just not fun pausing the game every two seconds to micromanage everything either.
I'd love if someone made a mod that turn them into proper turn based games so I could actually enjoy playing them. Pillar of Eternity II did a pretty good job implementing a turn based mode even if it's imbalanced in places. There's no way I would have played that game otherwise.
I think a lot of people get nostalgia goggles from the comfy visuals/atmosphere in BG1. The game is so flawed, like how you can easily powerlevel and break the game by just spamming rest and killing ogres over and over for the massive exp they give.
It's all a mix of nostalgia and 20 years of replaying with full game knowledge and mods like SCS installed to try to grant some sense of depth to the combat even though it really just adds a few rounds of spell protection dueling before auto-attacking everything to death.
"Real time with pause" is peak kino gameplay
play with autopause at the end of each round dummy
>You frequently find your characters doing shit you didn't actually tell them to do, getting in eachothers way or just standing there doing nothing.
Sounds like a you problem, you probably didn't turn the ai scripts off.
Auto-pause on spellcast is what you want, it's by far the most relevant auto-pause option in terms of gameplay. Everyone else can auto-attack, or use their abilities on the fly. Casters are the only ones that need micromanaging.
Well sucks to be you.
I remember the writing and voice acting in ToB being a step down in quality from the base game. If BG2 was a paperback fantasy novel, ToB was the comic book spinoff. Everything was bigger, louder, and a little bit more stupid. I suppose the narrative elements were given scant attention because the devs wanted to focus on BIG BOSS BATTLES this time. The other selling points were 1) a conclusion to your party romance, if you had one, and 2) Sarevok joins your party, which is fun fanservice when you're fourteen, I suppose.
It was pretty good in multiplayer. That's the best thing I can say about ToB. It's not a good storygay game at all.
>Sarevok joins your party, which is fun fanservice when you're fourteen, I suppose
Sarevok joining is great, that's just you being a hater. The writing is a bit weaker though but still good enough to cap off the series. There are much worse rpgs for storygays this is still probably upper B tier in terms of writing, and the gameplay makes up for it
What I most enjoyed about ToB really was the bullshit high level encounters they threw at you. It gave you an excuse to really experiment with HLAs, classes and equipment, so if you were into the mechanical side of the game, it was fun. Could have been handled better, but they were strapped for time and budget when they were making it, so they weren't able to give it the full send off they wanted to give it, and Ascension only had some of what they wanted to do. A shame.
what's the best way to mod BG2?
BG had dogshit boring wilderness maps, it was just running around empty forests waiting for gnolls/wolves/spiders to attack, everything else was also crap up and until you reach Baldur's Gate itself. Cloakwood made me want to kill myself with how boring it was.
Durlag's Tower was great though, so refreshing at the end BUT then the werewolf island comes in and you end up back in dogshitville. The final werewolf fight is so moronic, the dagger is so useless and you have to use either weapons from Durlag's (nobody in your party uses swords? Whoops tough luck!) or magic to kill that thing cause it outregens everything
>BG had dogshit boring wilderness maps, it was just running around empty forests waiting for gnolls/wolves/spiders to attack
>doigshit boring
you mean fricking SOVL
it would be soul if the maps weren't all samey-looking forests and the enemies had any differences between each other
there was virtually no difference between being attacked by xvarts, hobgoblins, gnolls, wolves, bears, skeletons, zombies, ogres or bandits cause they all act pretty exactly the same
literally the only enemies that required paying a modicum of attention were spiders (just walk away/disable), sirenes (only present in like 2 maps) and basilisks (chug potion/read scroll)
BG's wilderness is just an empty forest where you randomly get attacked by non-threatening fireball fodder health bars
Throne of Bhaal tries too hard to emulate the 'epic' storytelling of Planescape Torment, but the writing just isn't strong enough. The romance options in ToB become saccharine and unbearable, and the fact that Aerie ends up walking around with a baby in her backpack is downright bizarre. It's very railroaded and close to zero exploration or world building.
I actually think BG1 had the best storytelling of the entire series: a tight and straightforward story that didn't overwhelm the player or prevent the player from experiencing the world. A gradual escalation from small beginnings that kept the player invested. I wish more games would do the 'high adventure' style of storytelling instead of the grim and complex stories that one usually sees.
The Jaheira romance in ToB is probably better than SoA's
and viconia's
Once a year I replay the BG games. Every single time I get at TOB I'm thinking to myself "oh yeah I'll redo it this time, can't be as bad as I remember".
Every single time I just give up. The combat gets so boring so quickly. And I say that as someone who likes Icewind Dale.