>TLOU 2
>costs $220m
>sells only 10m copies
CP2077 costs $310m then sold 20m copies, and it's DLC is one of the most anticipated game in 2023 while TLOU multiplayer games are about to be canceled, Seriously what's wrong with Naughty Dog
>TLOU 2. >costs $220m. >sells only 10m copies
>Ganker was actually right and TLOU2 flopped
I mean the sings were there
Sony likes to brag about sales and they took forever to release the numbers
at 60 bucks per copy a game makes about 25 dollar and that budget is the total budget, not just the production budget. so 10 million copies mean it barely broke even. still under performed but it wasn't a total flop. especially since the critical reception insanely boosted the market value of naughty dog and playstation/sony.
>and that budget is the total budget, not just the production budget
Production budgets do not include advertising costs.
that is what i said. the 220 million was the total budget, not just the production budget.
even if it only made 190 or 200 million, the public response was worth dozens of millions in marketing value.
>that is what i said. the 220 million was the total budget
No, it wasn't. because the court document said it was the development budget, not the total budget of the game. Stop being moronic.
>court document said it was the development budget, not the total budget
link right now
are you high? critics were sucking it off for weeks, only perturbed pedro was pissed. especially when the fans got(joels death, the ugly roid chick, the whole game being about lesbian revenge) angry the critics were defending the game even harder because "muh lgbtbbq"
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The document even stated that the marketing was separate. I don't know why you weren't aware that a production budget does not include marketing costs, but there you go.
because in the badly redacted excerpt it says "total budget" was 220mil
>development costs were around 220 million
Learn how to read, you dumb mother fricker.
>the public response was worth dozens of millions in marketing value
Everybody hating TLOU2? lol
>the public response was worth dozens of millions in marketing value
I assume by public you mean critics rather than, you know, the public lol.
Also the game did not sell 10 million copies at $60 each, it went on sale within a month.
>at 60 bucks per copy a game makes about 25 dollar
How do you calculate that when they can sell digital now.
Actually undercutting it a bit, because they should be making about $40 since most digital and retail storefronts take ~30%. Ofc they make essentially full revenue on PS5.
>especially since the critical reception insanely boosted the market value of naughty dog
lol what. the game is universally hated. ND has been going from mediocrity (lost legacy) to mediocrity (TLOU2) since they fired 70% of their old staff including their good writers and directors. they can't even make a simple modern version of TLOU 1's multiplayer. The studio is Sony's biggest fall from grace. and you talk about... journos. lol
lost legacy was better than uc4
>especially since the critical reception insanely boosted the market value of naughty dog and playstation/sony.
No, it fricking didn't. The larger the budget, the less willing companies are to gamble on something (and all entertainment products are gambles). Maybe TLoU2 was a critical success while being a financial failure, but it was a financial failure at the end of the day, and no CEO is going to see that and think "well, we'll get it right on the next try", they're going to think "this doesn't appeal to people, we're canning it". Whoever coined the term "all press is good press" was incorrect.
If it was that much of a financial failure Sony wouldn't commit $220 million to another game, they pulled the plug on Days Gone (although that might now get another game) and there's almost certainly going to be another Last of Us game on PS5. Naughty Dog have confirmed multiple projects in development. One of them is the Last of Us multiplayer which is now in development trouble. One of them is a space game (savage starlight or new IP) and they most likely do have Last of Us part III in development as well
>Sony wouldn't commit $220 million to another game
They aren't, multiplayer has been all but officially cancelled, and drucky has admitted to penning an outline for part 3 but no one at sony is interested in greenlighting it.
Didn't TLOU 2 make 600 million?
It doesn't include marketing, which was massive for TLOU2.
Marketing budget (which is , as a rule of thumb ,often 50% to 100% of the production budget atop of it) + 30% off of their gains are passed onto stores/retailers.
Even generosly assuming all copies sold at full price (which didn't happen), in the best case scenario, it barely broke even. It's legit a flop.
>30% off of their gains are passed onto stores/retailers
yeah all those games sold in stores in june 2020. Are you fricking stupid? most of the game sales are digital
This applies to digital stores too, moron-kun. Even online ones, and yes, even the PS Store, weird as that sounds.
Stop making shit up
>online stores don't take a portion of sales, they just operate for free! You're making shit up!
moron-kun...
>sony is giving 30% of the revenue a digital first party game makes to ?????
please enlighten me, who is getting that money, and back it up with some source while you are at it
>Naughty Dog is now Sony
moron-kun, I don't know how else to tell you this...
Naughty Dog is a subsidiary of Sony and one of their key developers. They're even home to Sony's ICE team which is basically their seal team six.
I'm really sorry to hear about your room temperature IQ, moron-kun. I'll keep you in my prayers tonight.
>Naughty Dog, somehow, is not sony even though they own it and funded the fricking game in the first place
>r-moron-kun!
the absolute lack of self awareness holy shit
Naughty Dog is a first party studio since the late 1990's, Anon-kun. (YOU) are the moronic one here.
why would Sony take 30% off their own game
youre implying Amazon didnt exost during covid smartass sonybro
To be fair, they aren't wrong about that part. Sony pointed out on their financial reports a few years ago that their digital sales sky rocketed during covid. It fell off hard after that, though.
>retailers
Sure, but I bet most of the copies sold are on the PS Store.
yes now take the 30% that goes to stores, now you have 400m.
now add the marketing cost which usually doubles the total price of launching the game. now you have 400m cost.
so they might've lost money on it if we include other behind the scenes fees
10m must mean they at least cut even
Game went on sale less than a month after release the game did not brake even. Sorry anon quite literally no one gave a frick about TLOU2 besides basedboi reviewers and journos who...got paid to say its great what a shock even more money wasted. sony has shot themselves in the foot with this attempt to stop M$ from buying shit lol.
I liked TLOU2 considerably more than the first one because I actually played the game instead of reading spoilers first. It also helps that I’m not a right wing frickhead that is enraged when my worldview is challenged in minor ways.
TLOU2 is a true 10/10 for me and ND’s best game.
So... you're a homosexual and proud, got it.
No I just liked the game lol, what is wrong with you
I'm transgender btw
As a non-american with no horse in this race. Looking in from the outside why does the American left pretend they don't have grifters or that they don't have meltdowns over trivial things?
Oh the left has meltdowns too, but not over minor bullshit in video games
kek you can't be fricking serious. People like anita sarkesian build entire careers around it
Yeah but like most ultra left people aren’t on Ganker losing their shit over a good game for reasons they can’t articulate
they are on twitter instead
I think most people here have not actually played TLOU2. Shit was good and the time reset playing the story from the perspective of a person you’ve grown to hate ended up being awesome.
I have no stake in whatever culture war you think this is part of, I am just pointing out that I think most of you are moronic.
>I think most people here have not actually played TLOU2. Shit was good and the time reset playing the story from the perspective of a person you’ve grown to hate ended up being awesome.
>redditspace :3
>I have no stake in whatever culture war you think this is part of, I am just pointing out that I think most of you are moronic.
You are one of the moronic people
What is this bizarre gaslighting where I’m supposed to believe playing a character I despise is fun?
I think I’ll just go enjoy something I don’t despise instead lol.
Kind of like YIIK, it's an interesting idea executed really bad and people cope by insisting it's actually worth it anyway, despite being really badly executed.
>ut not over minor bullshit in video games
what is hogwarts legacy
it's infinitely easier to point fingers than accept responsibility.
I replayed both games, both were among the best their generation had to offer. Still angry about Factions 2 not coming out, if I have to get PS5 to play it I won't bother
>basedboi reviewers and journos who...got paid to say its great
They weren't paid a single penny, they shilled the game into oblivion because it made gamers angry and promoted $THE_MESSAGE.
Breaking even IS flopping. You don't spend millions of bucks over many years just to get back the same amount you put in.
The /misc/roaches were mad for moronic and wrong reason but got to the correct answer: tlou is a flop and shit.
>everyone that is not a raging homosexual is le /misc/
who could be behind this post?
Are you stupid? How is that a flop
the lack of multiplayer killed it. TLOU1 only sold as much as it did because of Factions being really fun and legitimately an 'only on playstation' experience.
By being a pay to win?
I've been seeing this post over and over again, I can't believe the moment Ganker wins culture war has come. we've finally come this far Bro, NPC is LOSING holy shit, holy love of god, JESUS CHRIST IS THE KING
Probably broke even, but the ESG money means it was a success
Ganker "won" but for the wrong reasons. It's not that those games' approach is incorrect but spending budgets you'd see in a big scale hollywood movie doesn't work for the videogame market.
>spending budgets you'd see in a big scale hollywood movie doesn't work for the videogame market.
>gtaV
>The highest-grossing entertainment product ever
>10 million copies is a flop
The state of this board
for a $220m game? yes.
it doesn't matter how many people buy the game. If it doesn't recuperate costs of development it is a failure. For instance, if a movie makes 500 million at the box office but had a production budget of 300 million, it is still a failure due to simple facts such as how the production company does not get all of the money.
>400 milj profit is a flop
Didn't flop
>Cowen analyst Doug Creutz and Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter have told Axios that the games have earned a profit of approximately $300 million each, with marketing and retailer cuts accounted for
did they hit the projections or they're just coping with this level of "success"? I've thought big budget super hyped projects like these are expected to sell 20 million copies at minimum like god of war.
LOU2 sold less than they would have wanted but they've since had a hit with the HBO show so there will be a part 3
Well it took them some time to realize the right platform for Sony games is Netflix.
>but they've since had a hit with the HBO show
Which nobody talked about anymore after like the first 3 episodes. Almost like once the veil of an honest adaptation was removed and the show because a serialized Brokeback Mountain it really started losing viewership...
I think the show was generally well received besides the director or someone saying they wanted to trick people into watching a gay romance. What was the show's budget? It looked pretty damn good so it probably cost a lot to make
>What was the show's budget?
$15 million per episode
>Pachter
So it most certainly did flop.
oh nonono no Gankersissies... our autistic and braindead response???
>Analysis
>Projected
If the games were major successes they would be singing and dancing about "owning the chuds" till kingdom come. But instead there's this awkward silence about the real numbers, whereas games that make a profit announce with pride.
>analyst
so it flopped
10m x $60 = $600m
$600m > $220m
I hope this helps
>every copy in the first month was full price
>ignoring the cut from the retailer
why do people argue this hard to defend the most mid-tier, painfully average game of the century?
who fricking cares? xbox, pc, all consoles have flops, at the end of the day the sun still rises and the sun still sets, your personal identity doesn't rest on the last of mid's success
Because it upsets you. Because you value games and get mad when the industry steers away from me. Because frick you, give me your tears you filth.
because they're snoy, troony, 24/7 online, living in mother's basement
>Legit 2 month after release
May want to put that 60$ down m8.
Also, don't count all the copies bundle with the PS5 and giving away on PS+ now!
Can someone explain to me how this isn't true? I don't have a big stake in this cause I didn't care for the game but this makes sense.
There are over 400 replies on this thread and at least a third of them explain in detail why that’s wrong. At this point if you don’t get it you never will.
To be honest I wanted to be spoonfed, not sift through 400 replies of shitposting. That reply was part of a short chain from the top of the thread.
You've already subconsciously decided to waste your time being here reading this text at all, so might as well exert some effort lol.
>exert some effort
I'm passing time dealing with a headache so bad it's making me sick. Figured I might as well ask since I knew someone would tell mee to get fricked anyway lol.
So you thought reading small text on a screen would help? Also get fricked. Also I love you bb.
I am not a clever man. Thanks homosexual, you too.
If looking through the thread is too difficult for you, just listen to this
Thanks boss.
A major corporation fabricated numbers and the success of their products
In other news water is fricking wet
We're always right when it comes to pozzery and wokeshit. Larry Fink can hide it all it wants, we all know that shit stinks and sinks.
Yep.
It was pretty obvious it wasn't the runaway success they pretended it was when they kept delaying the now canceled dlc and failed to announce part 3 that they were obviously building towards, or how about when those pictures of overstocked shelves of unsold copies kept being posted a month after its initial release, if that wasn't enough it also showed up in bargain bins at walmart. Fans melting down and insisting it wasn't a failure will never not be funny though, most pretentious fanbase I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with, I never knew there was so many ways to dismiss criticisms before I met them.
>Ganker tells the truth often actually
>Hogwarts: Legacy was supposed to be boycotted because the book author hates trannies
>game sells countless copies and is well received commercially and critically, breaks several market records
>even normalgays are dunking on the Fable creature and openly asking what's the point of advertising through ugliness
>Sam Maggs tries to turn the Jedi protagonist's intended waifu into a deranged turbolesbian in an interquel
>the game developers take a big fat shit on that idea by ignoring the book characterization, they just deliver the previously set up heterosexual romance
>more and more people waking up to the fact Asian games are less pozzed
>Bud Light beer advertised themselves with an unlikeable troony, the resulting backlash cost the alcohol manufacturer on Earth over 27 billion $ and counting
>almost same thing happening to Target after they tried trannifying child clothes, both companies gave up and did a 180
>probably the most disastrous Pride Month gays have had since the tradition began in general
>every single Disney movie with LGBT influence from the past 3 years has underperformed or flopped massively
>TLOU2 is confirmed to be a flop and the multiplayer is cancelled
>HBO greenlighted a Hogwarts show
there's still hope
>What's wrong with Naughty Dog
Neil single handedly caused a 70% exodus of staff. He's the cancer at the heart of it. Sad to see.
Yep, naughty dog died after The last of us 1 in 2013 pretty much. Everything after that has been dogshit
uncharted 4 was pretty good and sold well thougheverest
>inb4 Black lady fights two grown men
yeah well they showed her feet so it's good
>naughty dogshit
TPBP. Frick Zionists. From the River to the Sea.
But I thought Israel was based?? The US government told me so!!
idr, but didn't people speculate that TLoU2's writing sucked because the company (or Neil, idk) got rid of some lady writer or director who worked on Uncharted? Memory's foggy on it, but I'm curious what actually happened.
I would also mention that CdProject sold 13 million copies of Cyberpunk 2077 in the first week.
If you avarage 40 bucks for a copy you get a revenue of around 500 million bucks.
Cyberpunk 2077 also had a massive wave of refunds and even got removed from some storefronts because it was so shit at launch. CDPR acted like weasels and tried making it seem like the refund count was way lower than it really was but that isn't surprising given how they went out of their way to lie about every single aspect of that game's production. I wouldn't even be surprised if they lied about sales.
>Cyberpunk 2077 also had a massive wave of refunds
https://www.polygon.com/2021/4/22/22398340/cd-projekt-red-april-2021-investors-call-refund-details-costs
CD Projekt refunded 30K copies of Cyberpunk 2077 out of 13M so naughty dog looks more pathetic
Notice how CDPR is only telling you how many copies were refunded directly through their website and not the total amount of refunds.
>Players were also able to get refunds through Sony and Microsoft, which were not included in this tally
Learn how to read, dumbass. I don't even know why you posted this link. It didn't include refunds from third parties like xbox, playstation, steam, or other retailers. It was only a figure of refunds that were given to people who used CDPR's shitty website, which took a week or two to get put up.
>Despite these issues, the Polish developer enjoyed a profitable 2020, taking in over $560 million in revenue.
oh no no no no no snoy bros not like this....
Why do you think I'm defending Sony, you dumb Black person?
>no more refutable data available
kek, console peasants can't stop losing after all
I don't have a console. Are you off your meds? or are you a delusional polish Black person whose only available tactic is to shitpost in the face of facts?
>Spend billions on game studios
is being surpassed in sales with a difference of over 2:1 by its main competitor
>"Exclusives"
Fail
>Zune
Fail
>Bing
Fail
>Windows Vista
Fail
>Microsoft Band
Fail
>Windows 8
Fail
>Windows Phones
Fail
>Mixer
Fail
>GFWL
Fail
>OG Xbox
Fail
>360
RROD
>Xbox One
Fail
>360 Kinect
Fail
>Kinect 2.0
Fail
>Sea of Theives
Fail
>Crackdown 3
Fail
>Halo 5
Fail
>Halo Infinite
Fail
>Redfall
Fail
Reminder they also killed Rare, introduced paid online to online console gaming, want to strip all ownership away from the consumer by making everything digital-only on Xcloud and Gamepass, and all off their exclusives are mtx-riddled (Sea of Thieves) or pay-to-win garbage like, Gears4&5, Halo 5 and infinite.
It's also funny that some of you think buying Bethesda is going to save them. Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Skyrim, the rest of their games can't even hit metacritic scores of 80. Let's not also forget they let Bethesda put the Horse Amour DLC on the 360 marketplace back in 2007.
DLC (like they are now) was created and imagined by Microsoft alone, they first test was with their first party title, Mechassault 1 and it's DLCs, if they hadn't done that, microtranstations and other bullshit greedy DLC practices wouldn't even be a thing today.
Microsoft is the most greedy, anti-consumer, monopolistic, disgusting company there is. Stop defending their shit, Ganker.
The SERIES ASS is an shit cucksole designed to scam the consumer renting troony indie games and 14 year old 360 games like goyim cattle.
If you buy and/or support Microsoft in any way, even ironically, you deserve death.
>snoy butthurt Black person meme were real
holy shit
*inhales*
>Dreams
FAIL
>Horizon Forbidden West
FAIL
>Destruction All-Stars
FAIL
>Sackboy
FAIL
>Days Gone
FAIL
>Ghost of Tsushima
FAIL
>The Last Of Us 2
FAIL
>Gran Turismo 7
FAIL
>Playstation Showcase 2023
FAIL
>Devation Games Project
FAIL
>TLOU Factions
FAIL
>PSVR 2
FAIL
>PS3
FAIL
>Walkman
FAIL
>Xperia Phones
FAIL
>Sony TVs
FAIL
>Morbius
FAIL
>Vaio
FAIL
Reminder they tried to kill Nintendo and tried to strip ownership of Nintendo IP's away from their rightful owner
The introduced paid online while Snoys cheered and raised prices too while their droning fanbase defended it
It's also funny you think buying Square Enix will save them. Square Enix hasn't made a good game since Final Fantasy XV and the rest of their games can't even hit metacritic scores of 80
Sony is the most greedy, anti-consumer, monopolistic, disgusting company there is. Stop defending their shit, Ganker.
If you buy and/or support Sony in any way, even ironically, you deserve death.
Don't forget the famous "POWER OF THE SSD" who end it being FRICKING WEAKER than a SATA III
You forgot one thing
>Starfeild Never ever
Microsoft and Sony are both pozzed beyond words and I cannot wait for the coming crash
>Reminder they tried to kill Nintendo and tried to strip ownership of Nintendo IP's away from their rightful owner
based
>Spend billions on game studios
is being surpassed in sales with a difference of over 2:1 by its main competitor
>"Exclusives"
Fail
>Zune
Fail
>Bing
Fail
>Windows Vista
Fail
>Microsoft Band
Fail
>Windows 8
Fail
>Windows Phones
Fail
>Mixer
Fail
>GFWL
Fail
>OG Xbox
Fail
>360
RROD
>Xbox One
Fail
>360 Kinect
Fail
>Kinect 2.0
Fail
>Sea of Theives
Fail
>Crackdown 3
Fail
>Halo 5
Fail
>Halo Infinite
Fail
>Redfall
Fail
Reminder they also killed Rare, introduced paid online to online console gaming, want to strip all ownership away from the consumer by making everything digital-only on Xcloud and Gamepass, and all off their exclusives are mtx-riddled (Sea of Thieves) or pay-to-win garbage like, Gears4&5, Halo 5 and infinite.
It's also funny that some of you think buying Bethesda is going to save them. Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Skyrim, the rest of their games can't even hit metacritic scores of 80. Let's not also forget they let Bethesda put the Horse Amour DLC on the 360 marketplace back in 2007.
DLC (like they are now) was created and imagined by Microsoft alone, they first test was with their first party title, Mechassault 1 and it's DLCs, if they hadn't done that, microtranstations and other bullshit greedy DLC practices wouldn't even be a thing today.
Microsoft is the most greedy, anti-consumer, monopolistic, disgusting company there is. Stop defending their shit, Ganker.
The SERIES ASS is an shit cucksole designed to scam the consumer renting troony indie games and 14 year old 360 games like goyim cattle.
If you buy and/or support Microsoft in any way, even ironically, you deserve death.
Oh look, snoy is having a melty
Says the moronic fanboy loser while melting
Black person you have a game about literal trannies and how they are good, this is the main ps game and it is a total failure
Dumbfrick fanboy loser thinks they are any different
no one is defending Gears 5
you are defending Neil's game
>Oh look, snoy is having a melty
it's not a sonybro. it's a Neil stan pretending that TLOU part 2 criticism comes from xbox fans.
>Halo Infinite flopped
>Everwild in development hell
>Perfect Dark in development hell
>Fable confirmed to be pozzed and woke, also in development hell
>Gears Collection is nothing more than a rumor
>Starfield is Fallout 4 in space at 30fps delayed for an entire year
>Redfall is a soulless always-online open world co-op shooter made to meet diversity quotas at 30fps
>No Shinji Mikami kino because he left shortly after Bethesda/Tango acquisition
>removing emulators
>removing $1 gamepass
>miss 80% of all Japanese games unless Microsoft pays for a gamepass port
>goypass missing it's target every finacial quarter
>hardware revenue down
>dashboard littered with ads
>no offline achievement support
>storage upgrade only available through expensive proprietary solutions through selected vendors
>physical next gen disc games only contain the Xbox One version of games, requiring you to connect to the internet to download the Series X version
>>Zune
>Fail
It still hurts
why do you care about multitrillion dollar corporations's finances so much?
it's fun to laugh at them losing hundreds of millions
they're never gonna go bankrupt, it means nothing
You think like a modern economist who takes success for granted because you grew up surrounded by it.
see
see
>he can only get satisfaction in life from watching others fail
anon...
In turn you want him to fail because of him laughing at failure
Because this game was shit, and reporters lied about how much it cost initially to make it seem like it did really well.
Why would you not find it interesting that a game company lied about the success of its product?
they have blackrock money
>why do you care about movieshit flopping
Because it's funny!
>doesn't care about movie shit
>plays furtrannia and trans fortress
>sony crashing and burning as we speak
>"B-BUT WHAT ABOUT OTHER GAMES"
troony
TLOU lost
God of Soi lost
Video games won 🙂
troony
doug would rather shitpost here than play terraria anon
have these studios considered making smaller less expensive games
212 Million for this...
Just like the first game, the only good thing about the Horizon games are the dinobot designs
why is her head so swollen? did a she get stung by a bee?
This is the 2nd game, right? Why is the mocap still so bad that it triggers the uncanny valley reflex with the mandela catalogue facial animations?
Unironically because it's too good.
It looks too real yet it isn't reality so our brain gets confused and that's where we enter the uncanny valley.
Over $200 million and they couldn't even make lesbians sexy
Japs actually know how to make cute lesbians
>Over $200 million and they couldn't even make lesbians sexy
Hey it cost a lot of money and cutting-edge equipment to make the characters look that ugly.
ALOY SEXO
I find it funny that her design so shit that no even weebifying it managed to salvage it
How about this?
10x better. Shame they intentionally made her ugly, what a waste of a good design
this or brown aloy would have been so much better
now just replace ashly burch and we're on the way to a decent character
lol death stranding was made with this engine and it doesn't look this bad
.. Easy on the hot pockets Eloy
>Alter charachter model as not to appear sexually attracractive to males
>Pander to people whos entire identity is built around sex
>humanity is on the verge of extinction
>choose a sexual orientation that doesnt procure children
selfless c**ts
selfish*
>mfw
Western devs really are cancer. Who the frick enjoys this shit.
>tfw even other lesbians are tired of uggos populating their game.
I would create a better game is they gave me 1/2000 of that sum
all the "woke" products are so devoid of any sensuality or passion. It's so strange. This shit feels like a sanitized commercial.
>Robot dinosaurs?
>212M for lendering monke kiss
where's ma asian cuties bros
Uh.. damagecontrolbros? Our response?
They have blackrock bux.
Ganker really needs to get off the "but don't they want to make a profit?" mindset.
It's not about profit. Gorillionaires don't care about the next gorillion dollars. They could already buy whatever material thing they wanted by the time they were worth only ~100M.
The only thing left to buy is social change and legacy, which is what they're doing.
this, wokies don't make their money off sales
their only objective is to push and normalize woke values and Blackrock is more than willing to help them do so.
Right now on Ganker some people are laughing at the new indiana jones movie because box office look bad. Like... yeah, I'm sure the company that purposely shits on every character enjoyed by straight white males while adding new diversity character as replacement is really crying about profits.
What's the point of making the movie then? Most people know it's shit and won't even watch it, they aren't gonna brainwash anyone with it.
Once they reach that point, the character is killed and they know it's mission accomplished and time to move on to the next scalp.
The objective is unironically to destroy a lot of the things you benefit from. Racial homogeneity, unity, family, honor, spirituality, european culture, founding values of USA. Everything that is good will come under attack for literally 0 reason
>That sounds pessimist
Yeah but it never works, and light always wins in the end. Unironically
>democracy bad autocracy good
lol okay dumbass
In a world where lobbying is legal and encouraged, yes, democracy is wrong.
It's incredibly naive to think dictators can't be bribed. Apply yourself, seriously, it's embarrassing.
never said, that autocracy was better I said that democracy wrong, but is sadly the best alternative we have.
Divine monarchy best
You killed god and replaced him with cheap, fake, plastic psychopaths. Enjoy.
Religion is more divided than ever but good luck getting a church to appoint a leader and have citizenry recognize that.
The claim was that a strong man dictator is better than a democracy. You aren't understanding this right.
Disney is in the deepest shit they've ever been financially and there's a big chance they have to sell a lot of things to keep afloat.
Yeah this, shit doesn’t matter. I will say one thing though it’s not really social change or legacy. The architects of the modern system are either dead or incompetent boomers. The reason this happens is literally due to soulless AI algorithms. I wouldn’t be surprised if it still made white man bad fiction even after whites have been dead for hundreds of years. It’s a nightmare without end
The patriots.
>They care about social change.
lol they literally dont. ESG is a ponzi scheme built to make money off of constantly bringing in new investors instead of making a profit from paying customers buying your product. Without the new investor money constantly coming in and pumping up the fake house of cards the whole thing falls apart like any ponzi scheme.
The Blackrock head knows people are onto his scheme which is why he is trying to ditch the ESG brand and rename it.
t. coping leftard
>meanwhile
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66060490
This:
at a certain point money stopped mattering to mega corpos, now they crave control
>What's wrong with ND
Woke agenda. As always
TLOU2 is the 2nd greatest game of all time, cope and seethe
(best was TOTK)
Bait
even if it's bait (it's not), what you gonna do about it? cope and seethe, that's what
Bait
You can't like totk and tlou it has to be one or the other
Sounds normal. You have half of your workers not doing any work because they are just diversity hires... of course the budget will go up non-stop.
Pair this with how long it takes to develop high end graphics and game development is a complete shitshow.
Who is approving these massive budgets? Why not cut back on muh graphics and aim for the $40-70m sweet spot?
Because it isn’t just graphics, the primary cause is the length of the development cycle and the pore scaling of development team sizes.
no one cares about tlou
no one cares about literal troony dlc for the most dissapointing game of the decade
go back to r*ddit little homosexual and actually stay there this time
>flop
Doesn't matter. HBO money could cover production and marketing.
its so funny how Snoys have pretended for years like these exclusive Snoy western games were 'the biggest selling games out there'.
In reality they are huge prestige loss leaders merely made as oscar bait to market the consoles LOL
you could already see how the Snoy narrative was false when these games came out on PC (Horizon, TLOU, and Uncharted) and all of a sudden concurrent players didnt even exceed a Resident Evil game.
Shows you how vastly overrated these games have been for decades. Sony was able to pull the wool over the eyes of the market cuz sales figures are never transparently disclosed cuz PlayStation is a closed platform and Snoy plays many tricks with their sales figures, including bundled sales, giving it away for free on PSN, etc. The numbers are rigged and even rigged numbers are not all that impressive.
"Haha! Woke company lost money!," anon laughed as he voluntarily tabbed over to his sissy hypno thread for another 8 hour goon.
What is goon?
jerking off without cumming
isn't that edging?
lingo changes on an hourly basis on this b***h of an earth
Goon is slang strayan slang for box wine
Uhm, sweaty, you forgot to take into account blackrock esg investment.
Once you do that, you will see that the company made lots and lots of sheckledollars.
Their budget was moronicly high and they didn't release it on on multiple platforms
did these morons think EVERY single person was going to buy a copy? including the people that dont own a playstation?
200 MILLION $$$ BIGOT SANDWICH
Something to consider is that games like TLOU2, Horizon and God of War drive PS5 sales and don't necessarily need to make their budget back to be a win for Sony. People look at the exclusives (and their quality) when they're deciding to buy a console and after buying that console, every game they buy has a percentage (usually 30%) of profit going to Sony regardless of whether that game was made by Sony or a third party. So it's not a horrible business decision to make games that show off a consoles power to influence people to buy said console even if these people don't buy the game at full price because it drives sales of other games that Sony will still profit from.
For example, if you were going to choose between buying a ps5 or an xbox right now, you'd look that the ps5 has Horizon, TLOU2, God of war, etc while Xbox has poorly reviewed games like Halo and Redfall. Whether you buy TLOU2 or not, you're more likely to buy the ps5.
>0 days since Ganker seethed about TLOU2
220 million burgers and the only thing they managed to produce were roided dykes?
>oh, you're supposed to spend 200m to make a triple A game?
10m x 59.99 = 600mill. even if they made only 50% of that it still is more than broken even.
>10m x 59.99
You're assuming all of them sold at $60 are you stupid ? This game immediately discounted few week after launch.
morons spotted.
>basic math is moronic
Basic math has no relation to game sales you fricking dumbass. Do you not now what taxes or revenue cuts are? Do you not understand the relationship that a game dev has with retailers? 600m revenue =/= 600m on Sony's pocket. And that's under the massive assumption that every copy was sold for $60, which we know isn't true.
I recall it going on sale very quickly. Pure desperation.
The fact that TLOU2 never got a proper PS5 or PC port should speak volumes on whether Sony thought it was a worthwhile investment. It wasn't.
>220M USD
Considering marketing? Because it is generally evaluated separately and is the most expensive part of the process.
>Seriously what's wrong with Naughty Dog
Neil Druckmann. As soon as he pushed out talented Game Designers, ND as a company was over.
Unless Jason Rubin and Andy Gavin come back and School Shooter the studio, it's dead. Uncharted 4: Lost Legacy was the last game to play from ND and U4 has the stench of Druckmann on it because he pushed Amy out.
Frick him and frick Isreal (which isn't a real country and needs to leave Palestine, the real country, alone)
>10m*70 = 700m
>700m > 210m
so what am I missing here?
Were most sales actually physical?
Were most sales during discounts?
does Sony not walk away with at least 50% of the price as profit?
Nah more like 3-5 million at $60/70 and the rest of it are discount as low as $9 at retail.
>the rest of it are discount as low as $9 at retail.
this
fricking have a nice day
That was a reply to my post you dumbass
Your mother died of diarrhea in her sleep
Incoherent reply
What's up?
Pretty sure they gave away the game with consoles, kinda like how wii sport "sold" so much
pretty sure nobody was buying ps4s in 2020
>gave away
Bundles cost as much as a console + game. You can argue that it’s not a real sale because someone has no choice. But financially it still counts.
>does Sony not walk away with at least 50% of the price as profit?
LoU2 was extremely front-loaded. Outside of the launch period (which already had the rot setting in thanks to leaks) it didn't physical sales and started to have deep discounts within a week of launch.
Physical sales were DIRE. Unless digital made up for it, a lot of copies were sold bundled with the PS4 (Sony washing their hands of it) or sold at a loss/discount from retailers trying to move the bloated inventory out the door.
>started to have deep discounts within a week of launch
this timeframe keeps getting smaller and smaller, soon you will be saying the game launched at 50% discount, reeks of fricking desperation
>I-IT-IT SOLD WELL DR. HAN!!!!
Neil, just like you country which is fake: Sales were shite. It sold well within that launch week because most people didn't catch the leaks and wind of the Joel death. As soon as everyone knew their "favorite dad" was killed by the troony Jannie, it was over. The Loss of Us 2 cratered in sales after that week.
To quote Levar Burton though: You don't have to take MY word for it, just go back to the launch week and look at reactions and people cutting their Blu-rays in half as soon as they reach THAT scene. The backlash was huge.
It's why Retailers sat on a shit ton of copies similar to Forespoken but worse because Forespoken at an unmitigated flop written in the stars. The Last of Trannies shouldn't have, but did because OY VEY had to kill Joel.
If it was such an obvious flop you wouldn't have to make some shit up about deeep discounts within a fricking week of launch or how it got lots of sales bundled with a console that was barely selling by that time
>a lot of copies were sold bundled with the PS4
please anon, who the frick was getting ps4s in late 2020
All the people who couldn't find a PS5 in stock or couldn't afford one, in fact I remember seeing an article showing the PS4 was outselling the PS5 during this period.
Then you remember wrong as sony didn't even ship 1.5 million ps4s for the 2020 holidays which is pitiful
>it's DLC is one of the most anticipated game in 2023
forced hype
Why games costs so damn much to make?
Gotta pay for all that equality and diversity
The best analogy i can come up with for AAA development is a sculptor taking 5 years to create a set of regular chess pieces from a 100 ton block of italian marble. AAA teams have 100s of people working a total of a million hours because stuff just doesn't work out right. They spend months on a feature that sounds great on paper but just doesn't work in the game, sometimes figuring that out happens very late in development. If your project doesn't have a very clear vision and a strong director with a firm grip on the project you might end up with dozens of devs goofing off for months wasting millions on stupid shit. Besides all that, game development in general so insanely iterative(try something, it doesn't work, adjust it until it works or scrap it altogether?) that your whole team can work on something that they have to scrap at the 11th hour.
This is a pretty great analogy to explain it. It even fits in the graphics into the allegory and everything.
99% of the budget doesn't go toward making the game
Money laundering through unnecessary job positions and bonuses.
Gotta port it over to every platform so that it sells as many copies as possible. Its a lot of effort to take a game and downgrade it enough until it can run on a decade old console.
It's extremely simple in fact.
Cost = number of employees * their salary * years of development
Let's say the average dev makes $100,000 a year and the game took 5 years to make with 400 employees, 100,000 * 5 * 400 = $200M
Cant forget the pajeet viral marketing campaign for the game as well
10m times 60 is 600 million, maybe less if you consider sales.
all copies were not sold at full price.
The actual cost of delivering the game to people isn’t a part of the development budget, and it’s 30% for retail.
>and it’s 30% for retail
which is irrelevant as tlou2 launched in the middle of a fricking pandemic with digital share at an all time high
At least 30% of its sales were digital (it sold 4 million in 3 days, and sold 2.8 million digitally in 12 days, both these numbers including preorders), and it is probably much higher than that as the game had preorders open well before the pandemic.
So this is basically a total flop right? Even if you want to go math autism over copies sold they would barely break even
Most tlou sales were at full price, most cyberpunk sales were at heavy discount post refunds.
>Most tlou sales were at full price
LOOOOL
the story leak 6 weeks before release damaged tlou2 immensely and the employee (that was angry at the company for overworking them all) leaked it is a god
>10m copies sold
>Each copy $60
>600 million
>380mil profit
Capitalism has failed when 380mil profit on a KNOWN RISKY PROJECT is considered a flop.
moron.
does OP think video games only cost $1? even just scrolling through this thread, i can tell its just filled with a bunch of shitposting smoothbrains.
god damn, what a shitty thread.
I know most of you are too stupid to do this, but I challenge any of you to actually go play the game. Then, if you want to continue hating on it, by all means do so. I just think a few of you would be like “wait this is actually great”
But most of you are smoothbrains so just keep hating on TLOU2 for the list of reasons you have compiled without actually playing it.
I hate TLOU2 because its a shitty movie game
It isn’t, it has extremely open ended, brutal, and tense battle set pieces, especially on higher difficulties.
Yeah there are also (really good) movie cutscenes.
People here dont play games for themselves. TLOU1 is genuinely a moviegame, sure, but TLOU2? They took all those criticisms of the 1st game to heart and it shows
Yeah like I come here for specific types of recommendations and also for the mu board, but the majority of people on Ganker are definitely the below median IQ types who don’t realize they are moronic. It doesn’t impact me in any way, but it is obvious.
Go back to Resetera, schlomo. Nobody likes you and your kind.
You should legitimately think about committing suicide. If your thinking is this rigid, you’ll end up doing it in a decade or two anyway. Just get it out of the way now.
I thought, but I changed my mind eventually because it makes shitters like you suffer.
I am not suffering because of your stupidity even slightly
Sorry Neil I don't wanna play as a roided troony
I played the whole thing. Is fricking shit.
You didn’t though
I played both games and all I can say is that TLOU2 is pretentious dogshit with shittons of virtue signaling, but majority are staying silent about that because Neil is a israelite (and you probably are one too). Other than visuals, TLOU2 is crap. It's not even worth replaying.
IGN JP reviewers were right. It's about people and from people who think they are always right but they are not.
Why do you hate israelites lol
Where did I mentioned that I hate israelites? I only mentioned Neil being israelite because you literally can't say anything in the west if it's done by one of nose tribals, otherwise you're worse than satan himself.
It's not. Most AAA games are very expensive and difficult to make as tech is advancing. Games developers (legit ones, not marketing and advertisement staff along with stockholders and CEOs) either get average or shitty wages, and are under constant pressure 24/7 because shit can hit the fan almost anytime.
Media and normies want you believe it is groundbreaking because of heavy shilling and influence, and because of nostalgia for franchises.
I'd rather stick to mexicans than troons, also K-On is white supremacist show, so at least get some things right.
anon, everyone hates israelites because they're evil and the source of the mankind's needless woes. You don't have to say it.
The guy you are replying to is clearly 8300 because no one else would have a sufficiently diseased, inbred, and schizophrenic mind as a israelite to think loving israelites is a moral necessity.
TLOU2 made profit
xbots on copium high in this thread
How many months after the price drop again?
They're both PS4 games so who cares? I have no interest in playing a game made for a 2013 console released after 2020.
At least 6 million sold at full price = $360m
And we know the sales are over 10m
30% is taken by the retailer
>Snoy is happy enough with sales that Druckmann is immediately promoted after TLOU2's opening weekend, he literally runs Naughty Dog now
>LE GAME WAS A FAILURE xD
Now you're going to say it's because he's a israelite and that immediately reveals where your biases lie
>stop noticing things goyim!
It did well intially, then fell off dramatically (~80% drop, sold $4 million in 3 days but couldn’t sell $5 million by the end of the first week). Also, everyone else left Naughty Dog, so who else could even fill the position?
It was always painted as a Great Success
Now it's revealed to have extremely mediocre sales especially compared to other games of lesser calibre
>At least 6 million sold at full price
lol, no it's 4 million.
4 million is the 1 week sales
6 million is the 1 month sales
It didn't get discounted until much later
>6 million is the 1 month sales
>It didn't get discounted until much later
that's a lie. i personally bought in for 35 euros late July. they didn't sell 6 million to retailers when they couldn't sell their initial shipment of 4 million.
that doesn't add up, you'd need all gamestop shops to be running 24h/24h for this game to sell 6 million in a month and even then, how could they get rid of so much plastic in such a short time?
it just doesn't add up
This is fake, btw.
However, in the best case scenario (all full price, 75% of sales digital, digital having no cost, retail taking 30%, advertising being an additional 50%), $6 million sales is when the game would have broken even.
That is:
220 * 1.5 = $330 million
(0.75 + 0.25 * 0.7) * 60 * 6 = $333 million
but dev costs plus advertising are probably half a billion
>6 gorillion copies
holy shit
jews love
6 million
>6 million
6 million
>6 million
6 million
>6 million
>60~70 dollars per unit sold
>1~2 dollars take by banks
>tax and if the buyer is in third world country the game the tax is even higher
>30% retailers
Each copy sold is probably sollid 30~40 dollars to ND.
So $400m. Still net gain and not a flop.
The 200mil was only for development, not advertising, and that game was advertised/promoted to hell and back.
So you're saying that OP made a poor case for his argument and you all have been covering his ass by shifting the goalposts with imaginary numbers that haven't been officially recorded.
I'm not moving the goal posts, it failed plain and simple. They probably have data on the number of people who dropped it after an hour of two as well, overhyped sales don't equal lifelong fans.
Aw geez, people not enjoying the game certainly undid all that profit.
Even if you applied the most apocalyptic amount of tax to 600mil, it's still a net gain.
>ur dumb
riveting.
You are still moronic for making the 600 million argument. You completely ignored 80% of a post just to keep pushing this idiocy.
homie even if they almost doubled the cost with marketing it still made profit.
horrible math skills spotted
You've literally just been hitting me with the "Thanos goes Nuh Uh" meme as an argument for the past few (You)s. You have to btfo me in your next post or I'm just going to assume you're a bored kid who is just (You) farming.
You already got BTFO, doubly so when you ignored everything in a post just tp keep shitposting.
and you blew it.
It didn't make a profit you dump frick. As for people who got tricked into playing it they won't buy the 3rd one, you're supposed to make repeat customers. Not before you reply with more israelited pilpul, show me hard numbers that is made a profit or frick off.
>how me hard numbers that is made a profit
literally just multiply the sold products by it's price.
That's not how it works, you fricking idiot. That's the mindset a child would have in regards to business operations, and business operations are not that simple.
>He says, not displaying the actual math.
You might as well just gone "nuh uh!"
Does your "actual math" take discounts, regional taxes, retailer cuts, shipment deals, and other things like miscellaneous manufacturing costs which is related to the game, but separated from the game's development pricing? No? Then your math means frick all, honestly.
No you human rat, I want the hard financials. What is it with your kind and lying profusely.
>he says saying a thing is a failure without putting any effort in the math himself
>More pilpul
Hitler did nothing wrong, Christ is king, and I hope your pet nogs in France kill some of you kind in the riots.
Stay ontopic, schizo.
So does your opinion mean frick all until you do the math too. You literally can't stand by "it just is okay?" for your argument about a game flopping and then pretend you win when you put as little effort as I did multiplying 10mil by 60.
>muh 10 mil x 60!
Lmao, are you actually 12?
>give up the second I confront you about your own lack of argument
All you need to know in regards to your idiocy, is that it's well known that the game did not sell 10 units at 60 dollars a copy. You keep ignoring this, which proves how BTFO you got.
Your argument remains "it just is, okay?" with no concrete evidence or effort. At least I pulled out a calculator. Google isn't a boogieman, anon.
>schizo
he's not israeli.
Doesn't change him going wildly offtopic because he had no argument.
>we dictate what may be said!
Not because you're right. He's on topic. israelites hating videogame discourse doesn't change the fact it's relevant to videogames.
>So you're saying that OP made a poor case for his argument and you all have been covering his ass by shifting the goalposts with imaginary numbers that haven't been officially recorded.
Imagine one man being moronic like this, maybe you're Ganker user
the mexicans are way more soulful than the trannies
I'm trans mexican btw
Wow, imagine a company faking numbers to look less bad how their business is failing? Wake the frick up and just look at how many misleading reports we have from Disney, Amazon, Warner Bros and other entertainment companies lying about subscribes number just to try to get more fund or using new terms/linguo like Blizzard has been doing in the past decade to classify the "success" of their shit games.
>The 200mil was only for development
no, this figure includes the marketing budget
No, it does not. How stupid do you have to be to think advertising is even related to the development of a game? Those two things are completely separated from each other.
>6 GORILLION SOLD!!!
they literally can't stop using that number can they;..
>99% of the costs was marketing
cp2077>modern aaashit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>10 million
That’s various dubious seeing as y the official number from Sony’s financials was only 4 million.
>CP2077 costs $310m
What? For real? Where did the money go into? Did they spend $309m on Keanu Reeves or something?
I want Slopunk 2077 shills to leave
Then make your game having fun at least
Does the Horizon budget include this ugly piece of shit
Probably a part the marketing budget.
>Being changed into Tifa
What did Guerilla mean by this?
imagine wasting sony 220 million dollars
>for a game that has no multiplayer
>no long lasting engagement whatsoever
>is widely hated
>destroyed the brand name of your studio
>forces you to make a pointless remake of the beloved first game
>every other sony studio is celebrated with highly anticipated sequels
these games aren't necessarily mean to directly turn a profit, they're loss leaders to get people to buy consoles for the next part of the master plan, which is to get people playing call of duty or fifa on the console.
>these games aren't necessarily mean to directly turn a profit
Then there's no reason to have a bloated budget
they're designed to sell consoles, that's your reason for the bloated budget, the entirety of playstation studios and xbox studios is to get you to buy a playstation or xbox and start buying microtransactions in cod and fifa.
the microsoft v ftc trial that just wrapped laid this all completely bare
>Seriously what's wrong with Naughty Dog
They forgot that they're a game studio and not a movie studio.
Jews
are what's wrong with both companies
Naughty Dog was ruined by Israeli Neil Druckmann
Red was ruined by Adam Bodarski.
no israelites -> good videogames
Damn, no wonder Sony is going the GAAS route.
TLOU 2 flopped harder than an only fans girl hitting 30.
>meanwhile Nintendo made a glorified DLC and sold the same at full price in 3 days
Surely someone at Sony realizes this isn't the best business model, right?
Holy shit conservatives are stupid
>10 million * $60 = $600 million
????
1. Manufacturing and shipping discs isn't cheap.
2. Retailers take a big cut.
so what are the numbers? You call people moronic but you can't provide any solid numbers either to support your "flop" hypothesis.
I'm not who you think I am.
>10m copies
>60 dolllars each
supposing they were able to profit with half of the game costs they made a lot of money
>Halo Infinite flopped
>Everwild in development hell
>Perfect Dark in development hell
>Fable confirmed to be pozzed and woke, also in development hell
>Gears Collection is nothing more than a rumor
>Starfield is Fallout 4 in space at 30fps delayed for an entire year
>Redfall is a soulless always-online open world co-op shooter made to meet diversity quotas at 30fps
>No Shinji Mikami kino because he left shortly after Bethesda/Tango acquisition
>removing emulators
>removing $1 gamepass
>miss 80% of all Japanese games unless Microsoft pays for a gamepass port
>goypass missing it's target every finacial quarter
>hardware revenue down
>dashboard littered with ads
>no offline achievement support
>storage upgrade only available through expensive proprietary solutions through selected vendors
>physical next gen disc games only contain the Xbox One version of games, requiring you to connect to the internet to download the Series X version
M$ is literally a megacorp buying out the competition because they can't create good products on their own. Also introduced bullshit like payed online and MTX/DLC with Goybox Live
when Ed Fries captained the ship Xbox was the best console of its' generation. But as these things go on this kosher Earth, he was kicked out of his own project by the sorts of talentless israelites who thought M$ making a videogame console was a bad idea in the first place. Xbox has never been the industry leader since.
Now M$ is like super-EA: literally buying the entire videogame industry, like Larry Fink's Blackrock, instead of using what they already have to make something good.
killed the franchise
I knew there was a reason for the absolute silence around the games "success" after the minor biltz. Even bundled the israelites couldn't make their misery porn money back.
>probably actually 500M in total costs for TLOU2 including marketing
>storefront costs and refunds
>stores that discounted after a couple weeks
holy shit
Isn't 220M the total production cost? I don't want to searching for this shitty woke shit
No it's development. It's the same with movies. they NEVER put marketing costs anywhere near what they announce because it inflates it the number.
Movie rules are 50% to 100% of the development cost goes into the marketing because you need people to spend money on it.
미국 연방거래위원회와 마이크로소프트 사이의 소송전서 유출된 소니 공인 문서에 따르면, 더 라스트 오브 어스 파트 II의 개발 비용으로 2억 2000만 달러가 들었다고 한다.(마케팅 비용 등 비개발 비용 제외) 이는 한화로 2900억 정도다. 게임은 2014년부터 제작을 시작하여 개발에 70개월이 소요되었다. 개발에 투입된 너티독 소속 정규직 인력(full-time employees)은 200명이다.
According to my native Wiki, tlou2 cost 2.2m in development alone, excluding marketing costs, which is too much cost, Holy shit, I can't believe this but it's true, definitely a flop
not 2.2m it's 220m(correct), and the promotional cost of usual film is at least half of the production cost
>10m copies
Source, lying piece of shit, last we hear, it only sold 4 mil
>last we hear, it only sold 4 mil
Get out of your rock
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/06/the-last-of-us-2-has-sold-an-impressive-10-million-copies-on-ps4
>Source, lying piece of shit, last we hear, it only sold 4 mil
Yeah but you forgot the bundles to inflate the figure.
>10M * $60 = $600M
>cost $220M
>172% return on investment
Do you even math
are you moronic? thats just like 400M into profit
>jrpgs from the 80's and 90's with 1/100th the budget sold more copies than this shit
how in the frick is AAA a sustainable business model?
For comparison. The Avengers movie cost $220 million. TLOU2 cost the same to make as the Avengers.
$220m
With or without marketing?
Without. It's the development cost.
Without, thats just the development budget.
That's embarrassingly bad.
>analyst with insider information says the game didn't flop
>no way my uneducated heacanon must be right
The original Diablo needed to sell 20,000 copies to break even. Blizzard at the time was hoping it would sell around 100,000 copies. It ended up selling 2.5 million by 2000. This was considered a MASSIVE success.
I can't comprehend how fricking gigantic and bloated this industry is now and how many braindead normalhomosexuals there are polluting it and buying complete garbage. We live in a different world.
You didn’t play it
Literally played it earlier today. I put far more time into it than 2.
Even a Nintendo game like Breath of the Wild will cost over $50 million to develop and there's an expectation for Sony's cinematic games to be the best in presentation. The next Astro game won't sell a third of what GOW sold
How much profit on each copy sold? $30? Does that mean TLUS2 actually turned a profit? Disgusting?
Probably like 10$ max
They're israelites they would rather push anti-human propaganda and get money from corrupt bailouts than sell copies of the israeli propaganda. They know their israelite cousins in every media outlet will push all the israelited contents of their games for them anyway so why even bother trying to actually sell copies?
facts and truth.
Dumb /misc/roach
Lmao seething inbred blood drinking child molesting israeli rat (but I repeat myself)
Your pseud game failed Reddit. Even you sissies didn't like it enough.
>rabbi fellated my infant penis
sucks to be israelite
10 mill copies is 220 million in profit if it sold for 22 bucks. So basically it AT least for sure broke even. It'll continue to sell to the next decade or so if they remaster/remake and do other shit with it and port it into other platform.
>people not keeping in mind the fact that the game goes on discount, or the fact that retailers and brands take a cut off of those sales as well
it's not 60 x 10,000,000 you dumbasses
Not to mention all the other ways israelites lie about sales figures, ranging from counting copies shipped to retailers as "sales" to outright lying about sales figures in advertisements like blizzard's moronic 666 million sales lie
No but it didn't lose money and Sony don't lose a retailer cut for digital sales. If it sold on average for $40 x 10 million that's $400 million. Minus $220 million development, minus $130 million marketing and retailer costs would still leave $50 million profit
It's not even 60, there's cuts even when sold on the PSN. The game went on sale very quickly and was bundled too. Though advertising hasn't been released it obviously was extremely high potentially one of the highest. That lack of hard figures shows embarrassment, which means it failed despite hard efforts.
these amounts of '66$x10m' posts prove amerimutt was mistake
CP sold 22mil that December get it right.
they pushed lgbt shit too hard
im guessing they arent even factoring the marketing for this game, which was ridiculous, i cant wait for the AAA crash.
meanwhile TOTK and Elden Ring probably cost like 25 million to make and have each 1B+ in revenue
dlc of the kingdom probably cost less since a lot of the dev cost that would have been there is used by the first game. I don't remember how many assets elden ring reused from older games though
it reuses quite a bit from some mobs, bosses, weapons and animations but this one insider who was on point with the leaks prior to it's release said how it didn't come close to the budget of some of the Triple AAA studios, their expectations was also only 4 million copies sold in at the end of Q2 2023
Perhaps being shocking for shock value's sake is a very bad idea? Hell, this game is basically a movie anyway, so I can just watch it for free and come out just as informed and upset.
I'm sure sony gets PPP loans that are forgiven without inquiry
Is there any source of the latest sales that isnt just Druckmann’s 10 gorrillion? He’s under no legal scrutiny to tell the truth like investor reports do, and the lastest report still has TLOU2 at 4 million
There’s one news report on Sony’s website, but it also doesn’t have the legal scrutiny required
https://web.archive.org/web/20220609231633/https://blog.playstation.com/2022/06/09/the-growing-future-of-the-last-of-us/
OH NO NO NO NO
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
lmao
It's frankly hilarious. They didn't even (you) me to use it as an argument against me.
Yeah, you lost and you're coping hard now.
>the game sold every copy at $60!
Meanwhile photo evidence proves otherwise. What's your argument now, dumbass?
So for how long in it's lifetime was it that price?
>permanent price cut
You tell me? A better question is for you. How long do you think the game was being sold for at full price?
Both your and my question are good questions indeed. Now which of us cares to check when it happened so we can crunch numbers?
the game got a permanent price slash within a year, look it up. That even includes digital.
brother, it's not that they're ignorant, it's that they're lying.
"Within a year" can vary wildly. We need to nail that down.
True, but are you seriously still trying to argue that the game was sold at $60 forever despite being proven wrong on that? You should just stop replying if that's the case because multiple people ITT pointed out how stupid this is.
I want you to point out the part I said "forever."
When you, the dumb Black person, tried arguing that each copy was sold for 60 dollars.
I mean, you weren't much better with your "no you're dumb" argument, needing someone else to post pictures for you.
Its still $50
No it isn't you fricking moron, go check the store.
No argument from a coping snoy? Classic.
moron
https://psprices.com/region-us/game/3230041/the-last-of-us-part-ii
First of all you guys are moronic. the one's shitting on TLOU2 are not xgays but OG Sony fans who hate Neil's gayotry that destroyed a once good studio.
Second, breaking down the numbers doesn't even matter because it is anyway you see it THE LOWEST SELLING FIRST PARTY. with no multiplayer to retain gamer engagement as well. it's an objective failure for sony.
I'm trans btw
esl alert who couldn't even understand what i wrote.
I'm trans btw
very realistic horse
worth every penny
>very realistic horse
>worth every penny
Calm down, frickhead. He's shitposting.
meanwhile on the forza horizon 5 leaderboards
>over 30mil players
Because the racing genre is dead, it’s the only mainstream option
go back to sucking dicks on reddit
buck status: broken
broken by phil „the bull“ spencer
>man I can't stop sucking all these dicks like the huge homosexual I am
Xmutt? Snoys are Black folk but you cuckolds are just as bad.
>broken by phil „the bull“ spencer
>TLOU2 stans pretend xbros hate the game
It's Sony fans that hate the game with a burning passions because it shits all over Bruce Straley's legacy.
avataring homosexual prostitute btfo
How does someone find their way onto Ganker while being fans of moviegames?
Because I’ve liked video games since I was a kid and I’ve been on the internet since I was a kid. You know people can like different things? Were you even around on Ganker when TLOU released? have a nice day
Jack off some more, why don't you.
Back on topic: game fricked up, Neil's still a cuck, I laugh at you.
I play games for myself, I know that’s a foreign concept to you
TLoU was more novel in 2013 and that year most of the shitposting was being flung at Bioshock Infinite for being terrible.
Now moviegames are as stale as brown and bloom shooters were.
Morons here can’t tell you why tlou2 is shit without resorting to buzzwords or linking YouTube videos
>Morons here can’t tell you why tlou2 is shit
lol we've had endless threads breaking down the game scene by scene, frame by frame and all stans had to say to defend the game was... ellie was stressed bro. defend stabbing someone after you've disarmed them. lol.
First big red flag was I think E3 or some convention where they rounded everyone up into a church to show a video of Ellen Page kissing an ugly israelite lesbian. And it was either right before release or right at release, you hear that Joel dies. At that point I didn't really want anything to do with it.
Oh man you missed the leak Ganker threads. RIP. It was the funnest this board ever was.
>ugly israelite lesbian
bastards cut her big khazar milkers off
These fart sniffers are obsessed with becoming hollywood 2.0. Let them crash and burn.
I still remember when the israelite got on stage and shouted about the 6 million. They are mocking everyone. LoU2 sat fully stocked for months and Sony was radio silent for a year. The game tanked and the 6 gorrilion was a on the nose (heh) shitpost.
your life revolves around playstation games flopping you moron. Of course you're gonna come up with any headcanon possible to make that a reality. It's why you spend all day in your little Ganker echo chambers
>sell 5 million in first 5 days
>still selling over 10 million
>Ganker still desperately trying to paint this as a flop three years later
LOL! chuds lost hard. Imagine all the time wasted smear campaigning and they have nothing to show for it.
4 million was the last report they did with legal scrutiny, anything else is still unproven till sony actually updates their investors reports, of course they wont though since lying to investors gets you billion dollar lawsuits
Its a publicly traded company dumb zoomer. Also the game was at 10 million last june and that was before the tv show which had it at the top of amazons charts once again
Doesnt mean shit if they dont state in in any documents with legal scrutiny
>>sell 5 million in first 5 days
>lie n1
it sold 4 million to retailers. copies that ended up collecting dust. the game was heavily discounted within the first months. well documented stuffs.
>>Ganker still desperately trying to paint this as a flop three years later
it literally killed the franchise. TLOU had THE most insane hype in playstation history. 2 sold several millions less than the first game and less than any other first party game. also it was just revealed that the game dev cost 3 times what we originally thought. without marketing. it's the definition of a flop. even Barry has more of an argument with FF XV sales lol.
>>Ganker still desperately trying to paint this as a flop three years later
No. the only people who are desperate are the people trying to fellate this garbage. The FTC fricked up so badly they told us how much the game cost. It was a flop.
>It was a flop.
no no no, you don't get it. the game was a flop before. it sold less than the first game, less than any other first party game and ND has been a no show on the PS5. the FTC revealed the game was a MEGA flop.
>make $600 mil in revenue
>lose $200 mil in development
>$400 mil profit
>this is a flop to chuds
>what is payroll
>what are taxes
>what is shipping and distribution
>what is retailer cut
>>make $600 mil in revenue
According to what metrics? Not even Sony thinks that happened because they openly advertised their price cuts for the game on their own digital store. So if you actually think they sold 10 million copies at $60 a piece, for three years, despite Sony openly stating otherwise, you're just delusional. And even if that was the case (it's not) SIE does not get all of that money. people already talked about why.
>>make $600 mil in revenue
lol no. sony got a fraction of that.
>chuds
great angle, defend the studio with the worst dev grind in history. very gamer gatey if you ask me.
>defend the studio with the worst dev grind in history
Its funny to me that “worker’s rights” libs will feverishly defend sony studios like naughty dog, despite them treating workers like shit, since they put trannies in their games, but will seethe over Nintendo for not making Samus into a troony while they have some of the best working conditions in Japan
>make $600 mil in revenue
when?
Should've never sold Crash Bandicoot, fricking twats.
lol
Why must you pour salt on my wounds?
Glad to know Neil's still a cuck and this game was just a vehicle for jerking off.
oof
Cuckmann seething
I’m honestly impressed he hasn’t David Carradined himself yet.
aaah this thread brings back memories. coming to Ganker to destroy Part 2 tranners for hours and hours. shitting on Neil's game was some of the best gaming related fun i had in years. the game where you are supposed to feel bad for killing a prego woman, after you disarm her, without knowing she's prego. pure fricking moronicness lol
Part 2 really is an absolute masterclass in being given one of the best video game IPs in video game history and running it into a brick wall at Mach 6. Druckmann cost ND a multibillion dollar video game IP because he convinced them the very vocal terminally online troons on twitter play video games, and they just don’t. It’s hilarious.
apart from looking nice how the frick does horizon cost that much
Lance Reddick wanted 50 million dollars to be the token black.
>not even 200 posters
I bet some moron reached 80 post defending this pile of shit
There’s a fair number of people that monitor the different social media sites for mentions of this game so they can defend it in the name of troon advocacy.
I don’t understand why they need to defend garbage because of it having trannies in it, Nazis and White supremacists wont defend mediocre games like FFXVI even if trannies seethe over it not having blacks
They also hated XVI because it had gays in it so thats not the best example, and they propped up Hogwarts because it made trannies made even though it had trannies and blacks in it anyways
Both TLOU2 and Hogwarts were both pretty shit to be honest, TLOU2 is basically a prime example of a game being goyslop while Hogwarts is a medicore game that got propped up because twitter trannies were crying about as well as millennials loving everything Harry Potter
Genshin impact cost less than 90m to make.
>gacha game with drawn resources and ps3 graphics
>90 million
You don’t say.
>what's wrong with Naughty Dog
Drunkman at the helm. They deserve to burn for favoring him over Hennig.
>They deserve to burn for favoring him over Hennig.
also Bruce
sadly he peaked with tlou 1, he's definitely not american kojima or miyazaki. they should find another creative genius and put him/her into the directors chair.
200