>Todd confirms that the events of Fallout New Vegas is still canon
>The Mojave didn't get nuked and NCR are still around
>House also didn't launch nukes on himself for no reason
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When are nerds going to realize that their adherence to some strict overarching canon is massively holding back the franchises they like?
>when will construction workers learn that a strict adherence to foundations is holding them back?
Yea but absolutely nobody who has had sex cares about lore consistency or boomslop trash and they really, REALLY enjoy bullying the living shit out of the human filth that does.
>uhhh if you care you’re an incel
Shills are desperate as usual
>better compensate for my low IQ and inability to piece lore together by bullying incels
Tale as old as time, plus pop culture slop gets even worse when it starts contradicting itself.
t. Dirty unwashed coomsumer.
Normal people don't care what nerds think, loser Redditors who need as much slop as possible to silence the voices in their head do though.
when is Hollywood going to get their own damned ideas instead of bastardizing everyone else's work
>americans
>original ideas
pick one
It's not so much adherence to canon but moreso taking everything at face value. I swear most of the nerds would've vehemently been on the side of no timeline shenanigans in westworld S1.
americans try not to jump at the first chance to deface someone else's art for their own vision challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
you know what, sure, peggle make phone calls who gives a shit anymore
Because that's the worst fricking part of any media series and is the sole reason comics suck so fricking bad, you marvel homosexual?
Canon sucks in comics, not because the idea of having a history is bad. It sucks, because the editors never have a plan, and never actually care to make the writers build off of the previous writers.
When you have one writer, they write a great series of interconnected stories. It's the next writer that goes "I'm not reading that", that ruins it.
Have an editor that actually has a plan, and actually controls their writers, and comic canon would be fine.
Constant resetting isn't a problem of canon, it's a problem of chasing sales bumps. Resets bring more sales, so they do them often. The entire industry has been taught this, and that's what sells, so that's what they do.
Ironically enough, episodic actually respected its canon better. Serialized stuff goes "I don't want to use what was done before, reset everything somehow".
>massively holding back the franchises they like
What does that even mean? How does following basic canon "hold back" a franchise? And why is that bad?
I'll give you an example. It's a major blight on the Zelda series, fricking autists waste so much effort trying to figure out in what order unrelated fictional events didn't happen in so they can map it all out in a gay little timeline. If the devs actually took it seriously it would constrict their creativity in what they can and can't do because it would contradict or not lead into something. Not everything is that kind of story. Tolkiens legendarium it works, Warhammer 40k it works because the settings themselves are objects of change, in Zelda or random comic x it's just an excuse to go on a little adventure, it adds nothing to try to explain logically why the same little green mute gaygit keeps coming back to life and fighting the same guy because it's silly and absurd when taken as a grand overarching epic.
Yeah, well blame the devs who put so much world building shit into fallout. If you just want to go around mindlessly blowing mutants off, the lore isn't going to stop you
Nah that's not the point, it doesn't have to be mindless it can be really deep, you just don't have to hold in your mind the expectation that it be consistent with a different game that's not the game you're playing or vice-versa. If they want to use things from another game they can, but they don't have to. That would make canon an option not a shackle.
Part of Fallout's core appeal as a series was the decision made by Interplay to have the sequel build off events that could happen in the first game and advance the history of the setting. Adherence to lore is what makes this possible, trying to disregard the lore for the sake of a story in-the-moment actively is a detriment to maintaining that appeal. If you want to paint outside the frame, don't have the frame in the first place.
thank you!
>stop paying attention to canon
>NO! Not like that
No I fully support not paying attention to canon in every way imaginable, that doesn't mean an individual product can't derive its quality from having a good and internally consistent story.
>an individual product can't derive its quality from having a good and internally consistent story.
You can't have it both ways. You can't rely on old continuity and recognizable elements to sell your story and then go around and claim they don't matter when your negligence means it doesn't make sense within a wider context
Who claimed older elements don't matter?
If you don't care about expansive backstory or massive overarching plots, the people who make fricking Elder Scrolls are the wrong devs to latch onto
Fallout Tactics is now more canon than 3 or NV
>stop liking things for the reason you like them, that makes it better!
Because then they won't have petty legalism to bludgeon people with in meaningless internet arguments
>yay now I can’t say as much dumbshit as I want and no one can call me a moron
episodic shit is fricking garbage
This. Why bother putting any effort into a setting if you don't give a single frick about keeping it consistent and actually having it grow? Just say frick it and make up whatever random shit you want moment to moment lol.
You must have the attention span of a fricking wienerroach.
t. betheslop shill
Have you been to india
when are police going to realize their adherence to some strict overarching laws is massively holding back the people they like?
Police don't adhere to laws though, they only make black people follow the law
>If you dont accept a game company making a shitty game that just borrows elements from the games you like to make their own fanfiction then you just want to hold the series back!
I hope you find the courage to have a nice day one day.
nobody forced them to set it in the games universe
Bait, for that anon's sake.
He can't be THAT fricking moronic.
normal people like consistency, if you want something new then make something new. building upon something and making sure all the pieces fit shows respect to the fans. this tv series is absolutely awful.
I dont think thats really accurate. The best films came from pre-existing IP’s. Gone With The Wind, The Excorsist, Jaws, Clockwork Orange. Same as books movies can interpret games in a new art-form.
It's fine to adapt a story. It's another thing to say that the adaptation is part of the original, when it conflicts with so much of the original.
>in Nevada
In total, you ignored what the other anon said here:
The NCR is fricked.
>trains
Trains are way easier to manage than cars. Look at our own history.
>Steam Trucks running in FO1
The Master was a super genius, willing to sacrifice everyone for the Super Mutant future. The NCR has to have somewhat of an appearance of civility.
>vertibird in NV
Well, I was actually talking about the Vertibird blueprints of Fallout 2. They don't have to do the R&D to make flying vehicles. They just need to make the factories.
>Vehicles outside of the car in 2 have always existed, but only really mentioned in dialogue.
Which should show you how rare they are. It's been 200 years, the pre-war civilian cars are gone. We see it all around.
You think it takes a genius to make a steam engine?
only the most evil and dastardly of insane FREAKS would ever dare to explore practical applications of steam.
It was pioneered by the British.
how the frick does a future famine at ALL counter what I said anon? They're still stretched thin IN NEVADA because the bulk of their forces are defending the cow barons. This is said IN NEW VEGAS.
>the master was evil therefore only he could make steam trucks
what? that's the dumbest shit I've ever read, and I read the first part of your post.
ikr, with that said tachala is now the duchess of solsbury.
Hey all the people that dissed you are gay homosexuals, you're 100% right.
Unfortunately never, they are trained into it.
Just like you’re trained to suck off corporations?
You dumb motherfricker. Canon obsession is a corporations' greatest weapon because they control it by fiat. If everyone stopped giving a shit about their declared canon it would be a major blow to them.
Except it isn’t because you’re currently arguing on the side of the corporations who actively disregard canon all the time. But keep chugging corporate wiener.
How moron, explain yourself.
Because it easier to ignore shit and make moronic garbage that appeals to normies adding in surface level shit and member berries to create the veneer of authenticity than it is to make something that actually is true to the work it is trying to adapt (see lawd dem rangz, halo, assassins creed, and pretty much every other video game movie). So like I said keep chugging corporate wiener.
For someone that disdains corporations you put a lot of stock in what they say about your favorite stories. I think we should flip them the bird and each decide himself how to think of fake events, you want to grovel and beg until they tell you it's ok to think what you already want to think.
>getting upset when someone fricks up is putting stock in what they say
>but saying you shouldn’t care is fine
No one is groveling, you’re the one defending their actions by saying it’s not a big deal and trying to minimize everything.
How is it defending them to suggest not taking what they do seriously, not respecting their cashgrabs, not ceding them fiat control of fictional properties in one's own or the collective mind? To say "whatever" to products you don't like instead of hanging on every decision an IP holder makes as if they have a power over your imagination that you yourself don't?
>How is it defending them to suggest not taking what they do seriously
Because it’s basically saying to give up and let them do as they please and to not care about shit you enjoy being bastardized. Which works in the corporations favor in that it’s less people speaking poorly about their latest pile of shit. You’re basically saying that apathy is a good thing. It’s the same logic gays like you use to excuse corporate horseshit all the time
>why do you care
>it doesn’t effect you personally
>just let people enjoy things
>you can’t do anything anyway
>it’s not worth it
>it doesn’t matter
These are the typical copes of the corporate wienersucker. You’re giving the power by attempting to quell any dissent or opposing views, because apathy is still better than criticism to them.
Nah, it's not giving them power it's taking power away from them. Corporations can't bastardize any non existing thing I like because I simply don't allow them to. If people thought of canon as I suggest there would be less people speaking poorly of this show because there would be less people speaking of it at all. Do you think they give a shit how angry canon-maniacs get as they make threads like this to give them free advertising for their latest shitpile? They do it on purpose because they know you will. There is no need for dissent if something has no power. They should be made to earn our interest with good writing instead of us trying to earn good writing with our pleas and feedback.
> Nah, it's not giving them power it's taking power away from them. Corporations can't bastardize any non existing thing I like because I simply don't allow them to
You don’t have a choice in that, no one does, but you do have a choice to get upset and call them out on their bullshit and spread the word which you’re saying is bad for some reason.
>If people thought of canon as I suggest there would be less people speaking poorly of this show because there would be less people speaking of it at all
No there would still be the shills and normalgays gushing over it. Only now there would be no one speaking against it and the narrative that it’s a “great and faithful” adaptation would be uncontested which is exactly what the corporations want.
>Do you think they give a shit how angry canon-maniacs get as they make threads like this to give them free advertising for their latest shitpile
Considering that enough people that think poorly of the show can bury it yes, yes they do. Why else would they have gays like you come in and argue like this? You can try to twist this however you want but ultimately you’re trying to say that “not caring or criticizing them gives them power and it’s good for them” which requires the most asinine mental gymnastics I’ve scene recently and these threads are fricking full of them. I’ll keep saying this keep chugging corporate wiener.
>You don’t have a choice in that, no one does
Yeah I do, the thing doesn't exist, I can simply pay my attention to an unbastardised version. It's the best kind of problem, the kind that goes away if you ignore it.
>No there would still be the shills and normalgays gushing over it
So? Why should they control your mind as well as a corporation? If a wrong narrative is uncontested it's still wrong and you're under no obligation to believe it.
It's not mental gymnastics it's a basic power dynamic. If you care what they do they have power over you, if you don't they don't.
>Yeah I do, the thing doesn't exist, I can simply pay my attention to an unbastardised version. It's the best kind of problem, the kind that goes away if you ignore it.
This Black person is literally a baby with no object permanence lmao
Fictional objects are not permanent by definition.
fictional (eg mythic) objects have more permanence than real objects. religion is but one example
>Yeah I do, the thing doesn't exist
>It's the best kind of problem, the kind that goes away if you ignore it.
As I was watching your moronic argument unfold I was wondering if this idiocy is what you were implying. Now that you’ve confirmed it, nice job obliterating your own argument and revealing it as cope. Just cus (You) personally don’t care about it isn’t gonna stop frickwit corporations from raping the IP or somehow remove their control over it. Thanks for the laugh
Stopping them is unnecessary because they have no ability to do that in the first place. It's a mass delusion of crazy people believing in things that they know aren't real. All a corporation can do is produce a product, if it's shit you can erase it by not thinking about it.
>Yeah I do, the thing doesn't exist, I can simply pay my attention to an unbastardised version
It is only now no one is calling it out which is again exactly what the corporations want
>So? Why should they control your mind as well as a corporation? If a wrong narrative is uncontested it's still wrong and you're under no obligation to believe it
Yeah bro just let people be wrong and let ignorance spread, it doesn’t matter just ignore it it doesn’t affect you unless you let it. What homosexual, seriously you’re acting using the copes I listed now.
>It's not mental gymnastics it's a basic power dynamic. If you care what they do they have power over you
Yeah man and if you kill your enemies that means they win right? Please go gargle todds shit somewhere else and cut the moronic mental gymnastics.
>They do it on purpose because they know you will
They literally do not think about any of us, beyond scoffing at the thought. Rage farming for views has been failing for years now. It only works for news, not tv/movies. Tv/movies need good word of mouth to survive.
Also the nerd's concern about canon, is so people are able to talk about the same topic. It's like the woke morons who say "A woman is someone who identifies as a woman". They're not working in reality, so there's no real reason to have a conversation with them You'll end up talking passed each other the entire time.
They'll just stop at the convenience store, to buy some water and food. No, they have to collect and hunt it. It's going to take much longer.
Talking about the same topic is not a problem because the topic is always scoped to a particular product anyway, and they are internally consistent.
>to suggest not taking what they do seriously, not respecting their cashgrabs, not ceding them fiat control of fictional properties in one's own or the collective mind?
I get what you’re trying to say but people are already doing this. And again it’s a really bizarre argument to make when you’re making it alongside this homosexual
saying “who cares about canon at all”
It's the difference between
>female custodes are real
>noooo I can't believe you made female custodes real, stop it stop it *stomps foot*
and
>female custodes are real
>no they aren't *chad.png*
>t. troony
What a bizarre argument
Only people who are too unintelligent and selfish to work within the established rules and history of a setting think that canon shouldn't matter.
Then stop adapting shit if this critique pisses you off and make your own recognizable intellectual property oh wait.
A CIS lord?
You should be killed.
It’s a western thing.
Japanese fandoms like Dragon Ball literally don’t give a frick about canon, as long as something is “cool”
yes yes. Great hot take straight from your ass. they did not care so much in fact they attempted to implement that power level reading thing to create a scale to reference how all the big boys dicks compare to each other
have a nice day normie homosexual
Why is the vault girl not summoning an alien gun out of her ass to kill everyone in a single shot? Who cares about canon, amiright?
There's some thought to be made about to this post.
It IS right to b***h about it. It's the first step to make companies realize their mistake.
But we also must consider what we, fans, consider our own canon to be. Since anything owned by a company is subject to being ruined anytime by any shitty writer.
I mean, it's obvious what the canon is now
>Black Isle Fallout
1, 2, NV, spin-offs if you feel like it
>BethSoft Fallout
3, 4, 76, Amazon show
It used to be West and East Coast, but the show ended that divide in spectacular fashion by moving Shady Sands 150 miles south and wiping it off the face of the wasteland. And they retconned in the NCR in such a stupid way that Todd had to counter-retcon it not even a week later. For that matter, they also added multiple surface-level vaults to the LA area that the Master conveniently missed right in his backyard. Like they couldn't have made it easier to tell that there's a Black Isle version of the West Coast, and a Bethesda-licensed version of it.
I look forward to season 2.
What the frick is holding Bethesda back? They have not done anything innovative with the franchise, keep milking the same concepts, the same assets, the same imagery over and over again bending left and right and center just to fit in BoS or mutants with Enclave in their new "fallout" game. There are TONS of areas to explore, countries to visit, moral dillemas to solve. What is the post-nuclear world outside America is like? Bethesda has no answer to this because they don't give a frick.
They are a bunch of inept morons with no skill other than using an obsolete engine and coasting off skyrim money.
>What the frick is holding Bethesda back?
They're lazy and inept. They've ALWAYS been lazy and inept. Their success was sheer dumb luck.
You're just describing their business model. That's it. Morrowind, Skyrim, and purchasing the Fallout IP have carried their company for 2 decades. They're extremely good at marketing, and they have a monopoly on a specific type of highly-modular RPG. They've carved out their niche and they're content to sit in it, similar to Game Freak. Not evil, just incompetent and vaguely soulless.
>What the frick is holding Bethesda back
Incompetence and nepotism, as the lesser and the greater being laziness. Remember when CoD dominated in the early aughts and 2010 by milking the same formula over and over? Bethesda is the same but more spread out with it. They don’t release games often but when they do it’s the same shit but with a different coat of paint. FO4 is just post-apocalyptic Skyrim and Starfield is just Sci-fi Skyrim. They started doing similar shit with Oblivion and FO3 but Skyrim is where they solidified it. However unlike CoDbabies their fans are slightly pickier and you can’t just keep feeding them trash forever Starfield already struck a blow and has people questioning Todd and the company as a whole. Guaranteed whatever the next release is will just be Skyrim 2.0 (1.5 in my opinion) and only the most hardcore drones will eat it up while everyone else just calls it out.
The fact that the last "normal" RPG they made was 9 years ago, I'm not sure they have the capability to even make Skyrim 1.5 anymore.
i think starfield just couldn't function in their engine like they envisioned it. but yeah its bad, the whole thing feels half assed
The problem with Starfield is that it's not actually Sci-Fi Skyrim. If it was it would probably have a playerbase. As is the game is like a hundred shitty locations plopped in isolated instances on planets that have frick all on them aside from the 30 random POIs, where you kill the same three bands of space bandits using the same dozen or so guns because melee is a complete afterthought
starfield has a critical flaw at just the conceptual level: it's supposed to be a game about exploration, but it is designed to make exploration as hollow and meaningless as possible
everything else flows from that, it sucks
It's actually more like Oblivion in space
Starfield’s main issue is unique to Starfield though. That is there is no way to manually get from point A to point B without opening the map and fast traveling which utterly kills exploration, the main selling point of these games.
It's Autism.
idk the context here since I haven't seen the show or any discussions about it, but if you're not going to try to make it slot in with the actual canon, why not just write a show that rips off the concepts and do whatever you want with it?
>why not just write a show that rips off the concepts and do whatever you want with it?
because a show attached to the Fallout IP is guaranteed to make way more money than a show that only resembles Fallout.
(note: I agree with you that their inability to follow previous canon is moronic. I'm just explaining why they 100% wanted to put the Fallout name on it).
(You)
Since you guys apparently live off this shit
it's not holding back the franchises because the creators don't give a shit, but i agree autistically caring about date sequences is moronic
>strict overarching canon
Every bit of "overarching canon" was made non-canon by Bethesda years ago. Literally all you have in terms of lore is what the games give you. The writers could not be fricked to pay attention to the five total games of lore before writing a TV series based upon the games. They are absolute fricking morons and so are you.
Because when you Don't stick to a Canon and just alter the story however you like, you get world of warcraft where the story and game world were completely destroyed because of it
Wow was destroyed because the game was going on for too long and it was impossible to keep making new "lore" that was as over the top and extravanagent as the previous expansion/raid tier
Once lich king was defeated that was it
Nothing else could be done
If they continued with new expansions but tried to keep the lore simple then no one would play the game because it's as if the story went 100 steps backwards back to level 40 content
it was Tood himself who wanted this all to be one universe with one canon.
he could have gone the Rockstar route and started a Fallout "HD Universe" with Fallout 3. then he could play with his new toys all he wanted and we wouldn't have complained (nearly as much)
>When are nerds going to realize that their adherence to some strict overarching canon is massively holding back the franchises they like?
>shady sands is now in LA
>some sort of massive "fall" in shady sands had occurred that no one talked about in New Vegas
>shady sands is nuked after its "fall" by Vault-Tec
>the NCR has seemingly been completely wiped out from their heartland, barely any remnants remain, all of their infrastructure and massive population has basically been reduced to nothing
>the Brotherhood of Steel goes from barely existing at all to being an immensely powerful force in less than two decades. Despite this, they are depicted in the show as being extremely incompetent and their culture is not faithful to the games
>Caesar's Legion is nonexistent
>New Vegas is shown to be largely/completely abandoned with destroyed securitrons and crashed vertibirds
>Vault-Tec is hinted to have started the great war by nuking America and/or China
>House was aware they might do this and was at the meeting when it was discussed, meaning that House's story he told in New Vegas was largely a lie.
>Sinclair was also at this meeting and was representing Big MT
>power armor, the technology that was so successful it allowed America to push into China, is shown to have a vulnerability that allows its wearer to be killed by a single shot to the front of the suit
>Vault-Tec are now a major faction
>the Brotherhood of Steel are now a major faction
>somehow, the Enclave has returned
In conclusion, the NCR, House, and the Legion have essentially been wiped off the map, replaced by the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, and Vault-Tec, who are now the major factions of the setting. A single season of bethesda's and amazon's "fallout" have undone everything that Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and Fallout New Vegas had built. The west coast is now the east coast wearing a cowboy hat.
It’s all so tiresome
-Tec is hinted to have started the great war by nuking America and/or China
I guess the real reason of "the AI did it because they were bored" doesn't seem as cool, but it sure is relevant.
when you put it like this it's extremely clear what bethesda finds interesting about the series and it's in stark contrast with every other fallout game besides fo3, fo4, and f76. i don't know how to put it into words but bethesda's fallout feels so strange to me compared to the others
power armors have a weakness in the front....that was so moronic.
>fighting el Black at the start
>Jerky man knew the power armor had a weakness in the front
>instead of just shooting him with his highly explosive bullets in the weakpoint we had the entire fight segment and the infamous off screen hook scene...
>which also gets invalidated because a supposedly trained power armor user gets a concussion and dies after being tossed around by a bear while el Black is fine after a face plant.
Yeh but check out this trick shot
Why didn't the Ghoul take the power armor? I get he's gotten by without it and it has the "flaw" but it with all it's capabilities it would still be a godsend, especially if he knows how to use it correctly and has the experience of doing so.
At the very least he could probably sell it off for a shit ton.
It would ruin his aesthetic or some shit.
Anon t-60 its a piece of shit and the based ghoul know it
>It's a piece of shit
>saves man from being mauled to death by mutant bear
>casually deflects bullets until ghoul man uses plot bullets
>has a jetpack
>lets you juggle people or just pinch off limbs like they're made of paper
>sells for an ass ton and worst case scenario can net him a few caps for the armor/fusion core which is especially handy as he needs to go to the grocery store to buy massive amounts of drugs to prevent him from going feral.
There is no reason for him to not take it. even if it's a massive piece of shit, the other wastelander's don't know that, and would still want it.
I mean the show technically isn't wrong based on how many bozos in power armor I could explode with one sneak shot from the front in the games, and I think we're supposed to believe Goggins has 100 in guns.
That's the most braindead way to try to literally show game mechanics possible. As if, after 200 years, nobody noticed a serious design flaw in the FRONT of a suit of ARMOR.
It could have easily be rewritten that the suit was damaged and stalled out in the fight, which gave the ghoul the upper hand, but nope, Nolan and Todd wanted to have their ironman meme shit.
>and I think we're supposed to believe Goggins has 100 in guns.
>skills
>modern fallout
Shill.
100% bait
The hold back its better that whatever bethesda its foing turning fallout in the sims 4 wasteland edition and a gay mmo
True 0.01% of the time
99.99% whoever is rewriting the story does a worse job
They can't reconcile the contradictions so they just say "lmao whatever you believe". Might as well stick their thumb in the eyes of all fans.
>THIS moronic WRITING AND WORLDBUILDING IS CANON
>this is supposed to make it better! CLAP YOU FRICKING CHUD
>There, everything you hate about the TV show is now fixed.
They fixed the cheesedick Whedon-tier writing and piss filter color grading?
I cannot wait for the show to get to Vegas, the cast meet the Courier and they shoot him in the face while saying Marvel quips
>the cast meet the Courier and they shoot him in the face
Honestly, now I want someone (preferably the Ghoul) to shoot the Courier in the head and dump the body in a shallow grave only for the Courier's hand to burst out of the ground as you hear a muffled "Damn it! Not again!"
>Ryan Gosling.wav
Only if ghoul tells him the game was rigged from the start
>Courier is finally revealed to be canonically black
>This show was nigged from the start
*bang*
>new vegas theme plays in the background
literally 2 mins later:
>"anon, the 2nd season is le heckin' based!"
>the show's popularity soars, even amongst Gankerirgins
>Todd is now the richest man in India
I can't wait for the second season, bros
Oh yeah, shooting the courier in the face. How terrible. That would ruin the franchise. Sarcastic face.
>Known liar tells a liar.
You don't say!
Honestly if Todd didn't give a shit about the franchise as a whole and only cared for their contributions he wouldn't have invited Brian Fargo and Cain to the premier and asked them what they thought. He just doesn't give a shit what whiney homosexuals on Ganker think.
If Todd cared he wouldn’t set the show in the west coast and gone somewhere else that fallout has never fricking touched
Todd its the tribal morons analogy of the bear and bull holotape that doesnt say bear and bull
do you want to be a bull or do you want to be a bear?
Just confused why they wanted to do the west coast so badly.
Hollywood writers. They are obsessed with LA. They would set Lord of the Rings in LA if they thought they could get away with it.
where do you think Mordor is?
Why is Todd Howard speaking about something he has zero authority over?
Obsidisisters... Have we really been throwing a tantrum over nothing all this time...
>make clear changes that frick with events
>backpedal when outrage inevitably happens
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Starfield's numbers.
Where's Fallout 3?
Do people actually play these games on steam unmodded?
moron bro, you can mod the steam version. And it still counts you as a player and all steam functions work.
mods only disable achievements unless you have the mods that are made specifically to re-enable the achievements.
> all those people starting with 4
Normies will start with 4 most likely, since they don't know any better and older games give them the ick.
More popular != better. Flies flock to shit, doesn't make the shit a good meal.
Main character doesn't get fricked by a dog for 10 minutes.
Thus it isn't real Fallout.
new vegas' success must haunt todd every day
True: everyday, Todd wishes he'd told Obsidian no and saved the world from all the trannies New Vegas created
Todd has put more trannies in fallout than Obsidian ever did.
only like 5 trannies are still alive that like new vegas 51% homie
TODD ALWAYS WINS
>meme talks about not letting troons claim something
>spouts shit supporting that the game is “theirs” you gays just see symbol and color that’s it.
>Run studio inhabited by nincompoops who barely managed to cobble together games on a prehistoric game engine
>Make millions and then sell the studio to Microsoft
Todd won
>1 city gets nuked
>Entire nation devolves into anarchy instead of just splintering into smaller nations that form alliances with each other to keep their trade routes safe
Anon, where is your anarchy? Can you point to it in the show?
Todd actually explained recently that NCR is still around and they haven't disappeared, because that would be silly, h-haha.
No plot holes there, the script is watertight!
why are fallout gays so mentally ill?´
>claim new vegas isn't canon anymore
>bethseda confirms it is
>they're lying!
>claim the entire ncr collapsed
>bethseda confirms it didn't
>they're trying to fix their shitty script!
>house burns down
>fire marshal says it’s all good
>family nothing but charred corpses
>paramedics say they’re okay
You’re pulling damage control for a fricking damage control statement.
In your metaphor, yes you're just a schizophrenic.
You're the Japanese soldier who thinks the war is still on and refuses to hear otherwise.
For your metaphor to work it needs to be 1944 because the fricking shit shown in the show contradicts everything he said. He’s obviously trying to pull damage control.
>all plot clarifications are made outside of the show or patched in because it's CGI
Eat a dick Black person. Death of the author and everything on screen being approved to be shown on Amazon means it's intentional.
>state that the capital of the NCR got fricking nuked prior to FNV
>everyone assumes this means FNV is non-canon to the show
>uh no, actually it is
Oh shit, you're right. They solved everything by saying 'nuh uh' without any elaboration. Praise Todd.
I don't give a shit about what Todd Howard says anymore.
Why Todd hates New Vegas so much???
Showed up 3 and ate its lunch. It’s the X-COM ENEMY UNKNOWN to his The Bureau.
They have to pick a canon ending for s2 don’t they?
Also, if the NCR are still fully around what’s the point in playing up Moldaver’s plot as some tragedy in the narrative? They’re just NCR-supporting literal whos that got nuked?
#i'mwithher
no
i haven't pirated it yet
I had low expectations going in but I found myself enjoying it all. It had thematically faithful slapstick comedy elements that we sometimes should find cringe/weird. Romance was not needed and I believe it to be a drag on the story. There are other flaws in the story but they don't stop me from very likely watching the next season.
>*directly reference New Vegas*
>trannies: NOOOO! IT'S BEEN RETCONNED!
>Shady Sands falls in 2277
>game takes place in 2281
Projection isn’t healthy, now have a nice day.
todd literally said the bombs dropped shortly after the game. why dont you believe todd?
>show makes clear statement
>this causes outrage
>have to backpedal to save face
Because he’s a liar, this is well documented by now.
>clear
>crying
Correct. It was very clear and now Bethesda's is doing pr fixups because they shit the bed.
>why dont you believe todd?
Really? Why don't I believe Todd Howard, the biggest fricking lying homosexual in the history of video games?
> Have cold fusion reactor and moronic larper knights at home
> Lets fight some moronic roman larpers at nevada
It’s even more moronic since the main purpose holding the dam is to get power.
What else would you expect from a people who already live in denial of the reality of their birth? Is yet more delusion really so surprising?
>samegay
>whenever New Vegas is mentioned a pajeet must scream about trannies
Games can no longer have any real discussion anymore
Man I'm so glad I started filtering every variation of "troony", makes threads a lot less obnoxious, you guys should try it.
i just dont get why some people hate new vegas but are ok with everything bethesda created. doesnt make any sense
If the poster count were still here you would understand.
Key word being "some", it's a vocal minority of pajeet spammers.
Pray do tell how pajeets would even be aware of these games let alone structure an organised opinion on them
Why wouldn’t they? Are you implying that they don’t play games or at the very least see memes?
New Vegas had better writing and added some fun gun stuff. Bethesda has done none of that but improved gun play and made grenades a button which I prefer than switching everytime
Grenade button is nice, but I prefer to use grenades in VATS and now I can't
Should’ve made it a button instead of fire in vats
I just miss shooting enemy grenades in hands and weapons
I always forgot I had grenades when they were mapped to a button. Almost never used them, and they did jack dick when I did.
some people like both because they enjoy fallout. of course, trannies are autistic and can't comprehend the fact other people can like things they don't so they screech about it, calling you names like fabio, jeet - it destroys their fragile worldview that a human being can believe in something different than them so of course that person must be a paid shill
t. indian shill
They like Bethesda's version of Fallout, which is mostly
>Wow! Cool armor!
>Wow! Cool looting and shooting!
>Wow! Cool retro-futurism!
Keep in mind that a lot of the original Fallout's identity is owed to how much dialogue there is in it, even though speech as a skill is relatively useless. The gameplay of Fallout 1 and 2 to a lesser extent is not approachable for a lot of people. I personally don't really like it, but I still played them. Dialogue, meaningful choices in quests, and are the vectors by which the original games explore their themes, whereas 3 and 4 are much more about individual stories that are set within the wasteland: finding your dad, the water purifier, Shaun and Institute, etc. In contrast, getting revenge on Benny in New Vegas is, like, a minor side quest. You can kill Benny within an hour of starting the game, and this gives the MacGuffin that opens up the broader ideological conflict that is the actual narrative thematic core of the game.
It's also really easy to see the fundamental difference between Bethesda Fallout and "classic" Fallout just by comparing how 3 and NV handle speech checks. There are so many fricking speech checks in NV and they're not %-based dice rolls like 3.
Some people just want to explore metro tunnels, laugh at the Republic of Dave, blow up a few cities, shoot "raiders", and turn their brain off. The think that as long as a product is able to accurately mimic the iconography of Fallout, that it IS Fallout, and that's where the massive divide begins.
>The think that as long as a product is able to accurately mimic the iconography of Fallout, that it IS Fallout
And it's still fallout regardless of the desired purity of autistic elitists.
New Vegas made Todd seethe for all eternity.
>all evidence in the show points to it happening in 2277
>was likely a mistake, not a retcon
>still shows us that the people running the show don’t know the lore, and are writing it by the seat of their pants
It’s Star Wars all over again
>>all evidence in the show points to it happening in 2277
It genuinely doesn't, though, you just can't read a simple ass timeline, lmao
>all events clearly labeled and given dates
>nuke is not
You’re the one that doesn’t know how a timeline works, if it were a separated event it would be labeled as such, and why the frick would a city be nuked after it already fell? And why does no one mention the Capital of the NCR collapsing in NV? None of this shit makes sense or adds up and all you morons can offer are copes and mental gymnastics.
Lucy says that her mom died in the "plague of 2277," so that had to be when Hank destroyed the city.
Wait a minute, no one ever told lucy or israelite brother that their mom went crazy and left the vault with them and that their dad, the current overseer, went to go get them? WTF????
>Hank MIA during famine of 2277
>Lucy’s mother, Rose, “died” by then
>we see Rose at the end, ghoulified and quite literally falling apart.
>mushroom cloud on chalk board doesn’t have a year
Put the fricking pieces together, moron.
>Todd confirms that the events of Fallout New Vegas is still canon
He already did. He gave an interview today and said that New Vegas was canon and that people were misinterpreting events. He basically said you were moronic.
“No you guys the hints weren’t really hints, you’re just media illiterate”
The little wienersucker should have just said it wasn’t canon
But if they did that they wouldn’t be able to do their moronic tie in wannabe MCU shit with the games.
OH MY GOD ANOTJER FRICKING SHILL THREAD. WHEN WILL YOU FRICKING moronS REALISE THAT SO LONG AS YOU FRICKING homosexualS GIVE THESE moronS FREE ATTENTION, THEYLL KEEP SHITTING UP THE BOARD?
>Todd hates New Vegas
>Amazon people do a research and realize New Vegas is the most popular game of the Fallout series
>Put some hints here and there, get people pumped for Season 2 because is going to take place in NV
>Todd cant say shit because Microsoft owns him
Todd's lying to cover for the fact that the writers messed up.
Lucy lost her mother in 2277. This is not up for debate
Didn't they edit this article to take out Todd's response?
I can't find the screenshotted section where he says the "fall of shady sands" and the nuke are different things anymore
The more you shill it the less I want to watch it.
I'm not even lying.
I'm now moving on to avoiding threads about it altogether, congratulations
>GUYS THE NUKES TOTALLY HAPPENED AFTER NEW VEGAS THAT'S OBVIOUS
>so what "the fall of shady sands" means and why has never being mention in New Vegas?
>...
>WE ARE KEEPING IT VERY TIGHTED GUYS
It's funny that he is backpedaling so hard but funnier is that he is using the shit bethesda drones where making up to excuse the retcon which causes even more inconsistencies and plot holes within the show, like how fricking old is Maximus?
>NO YOU ACTUALLY JUST MISINTERPRETED EVERYTHING YOU WATCHED. FAMINE OF 2277 WASNT ANY SORT OF HINT THAT HANK LEFT THE VAULT TO BLOW UP SHADY SANDS (somehow)
>but funnier is that he is using the shit bethesda drones where making up to excuse the retcon which causes even more inconsistencies and plot holes within the show
It's just so moronic.
If the nuks didn't drop in 2277, then why did that library record stop at Nov 2276?
Pip boys became libraries. I'm joking the show is a fricked mess that cant be salvaged outside claiming the S1 people were misinformed due to being post apocalyptic idiots that dint know what happened. No writer would invalidate their own story like that tho.
Either some writing on a chalkboard is invalid or all of new Vegas is. The chalkboard can be retconned far more easily
You're missing the point.
Despite the shilling, the show makes embarrassing mistakes, it's not just the timeline, but it moving Shady Sands to LA basically retcons all of 1 too.
Even in a fixed timeline, where bombs dropped in 2285 or whatever, the depiction of the NCR still is moronic from what we know in NV. Nuking their capital couldn't ruin the whole country.
But that's not the worst part. The worst part is that not only Todd explicitly approved it (which at this point makes it really hard to argue that he doesn't hate NV) but that almost entirely invalidates the game and no one fricking cares, and consoomers just defend it
But they showed the Shady Sands monument
I’m guessing we will find out a diminished NCR is still around but yes it’s completely shit writing that they don’t have characters alluding to this
Surely they would've sent reinforcements fairly quickly for rescue and recovery or even just to maintain order in the surrounding areas, or to hold off the knights that were mopping up survivors
>Despite the shilling, the show makes embarrassing mistakes, it's not just the timeline, but it moving Shady Sands to LA basically retcons all of 1 too.
Also fricks with NV since the entire point of the divide nuking causing issues was that it was the most direct route between shady sands and NV, which is no longer the case.
What's fricking hilarious about the chalkboard scene is how utterly lazy it is
>hey, how should we show the decline and collapse of one of the most significant factions in Fallout
>...
>well, Vault 4 is full of Shady Sands refugees, right?
>right
>and Griffith Observatory is full of NCR remnants, right?
>right
>and Moldaver, our season 1 antagonist, is the de facto leader of the NCR for no known reason, right?
>right
>I was thinking there's a scene where Lucy walks into a classroom and there's a chalkboard where there's just an exact timeline
>that's fricking sick
The only NCR characters with speaking roles say nothing of substance about the NCR. You have Moldaver, for whom the bombing of Shading Sands is part of personal vendetta against Vault-Tec and Hank (for stealing her cold fusion MacGuffin and bombing Rose, respectively). Moldaver doesn't have a single line that's ABOUT the NCR. She gets gut shot off-camera. There's the implied ex-NCR ranger, who doesn't have a single line about the NCR, but calls Moldaver a "madwoman in the hills". Then there's the black-haired psycho b***h in Vault 4, whose only purpose is to portray the Vault 4 Shady Sands refugees as a Moldaver-worshipping blood cult. Maximus is also a Shady Sands survivor who has nothing meaningful to say about it.
They went with the chalkboard.
Because... it fell
Has there ever been in the history of mankind, the use of "Fall" to identify the economic downturn of a single city?
>Has there ever been in the history of mankind, the use of "Fall" to identify the economic downturn of a single city?
No. The Bethtards will mention the Fall of Rome but that was the Roman Empire as a whole and that took nearly a century.
Fall of Berlin
Fall of Saigon
Fall of Kabul
Fall of Constantinople
All happened in days to weeks.
Either they fricked up and are doing damage control, or we're dealing with ESL writers.
All of those cities still exist though
>Constantinople
>Saigon
>still exist
Yeah dude dunno if you know this but if someone changes a city’s name it doesn’t magically disappear
>Yeah dude dunno if you know this but if someone changes a city’s name it doesn’t magically disappear
Find Constantinople on a map.
Find New Amsterdam on a map you obtuse homosexual.
>Saigon falls
>every single Vietnamese person renounces their citizenship, dismantles their own cities and towns, and commits mass suicide except for 100 ragtag stragglers who get wiped out by a single US missile strike
>every single Vietnamese person renounces their citizenship, dismantles their own cities and towns, and commits mass suicide except for 100 ragtag stragglers who get wiped out by a single US missile strike
>tens of thousands of Vietnamese refugees didn't come to America after the North Vietnamese's total victory
>Resistance: Fall of Man (but it's really more of a decline and takes years.)
Not that I can think of but cities like Rome and Constantinople continued to exist and still exist after their respective falls. When a city is destroyed you hear it being referred to as burned or razed etc
If you wanna get technical, Shady Sands still "exists" too
I can't wait for the Amazon adaption of the Late Bronze Age collapse, there's going to be so many cool mysteries for us to piece together from what the writers give us
It makes no sense for Robert House to have been in on this conspiracy to start the war when half his writing and storyline in New Vegas is about him trying desperately to grapple his company back together because the war caught him off guard. If he knew exactly when the war was going to start then why was there ever an issue with the platinum chip. It doesn't make any sense that he somehow knew the exact day that the nuclear war starts, but Robco fails in it's plans. And what is this implying, that Robert House is in the enclave? But he says himself that he likes the NCR and want's it to succeed economically because it's key to his benefit, so what he was secretly conspiring with the fricking Enclave to nuke the NCR capital, cripple his largest manufacturing and economics hub so they lose the war and...the legion takes Vegas and he dies? What?
I suppose like if we assume the NCR ending of Vegas is canon but House survives that I can see him like ringing Kyle Maclachlan up on the phone and asking him to nuke the NCR, that might make sense but given that you need to take out house to do the NCR ending then...we're really reaching for this to make sense.
Confirming the Vaut Tec conspiracy would probably be fine on it's own but I don't know what value this adds to the setting, as other people have said, the fact that we don't know who started the war is a huge point and a major theme of the series, it doesn't matter who started it, the old world is dead, knowing who started the war doesn't add anything, further more Vault Tec being the ones who started it doesn't add anything thematically either? Like in a vacuum confirming the Vault Tec conspiracy is okay but we're doing it in service to resurrecting the Enclave again so we can have a story-line about how we have to deal with them again.
I'm not even going to address the NCR chick, or Vault 4? So she's NCR but like, she's fostering some sort of cult of people in a Vault for...what purpose?
Let's summarize the Fallout show's plot:
>Lucy's mother Rose deduces that there is civilization on the surface and tells her husband, Hank, who wants to bomb any civilization that threatens Vault-Tec's plan.
>Hank decides not to bomb on Shady Sands
>Rose flees Vault 33 with their children, arriving at Shady Sands, the capital of the NCR, which is 150 miles south of where it is in 1, 2, & New Vegas
>Hank pursues her to Shady Sands and takes their children back to Vault 33 with him, but Rose refuses to return
>Hank decides not to bomb on Shady Sands
>Shady Sands "falls" due to an unrelated, unknown incident in 2277
>5 years later
>Hank decides to bomb the fallen capital of a declining NCR in 2282 after the events of New Vegas
(Word of Todd)
>Rose returns to the fallen Shady Sands before the bombing so she can become a feral ghoul during it and have her charred corpse recovered by Moldaver, who wasn't there
>simultaneously, Maximus returns to the fallen Shady Sands before the bombing so he can survive it by hiding in a milk vending machine
Having resettled outside of the fallen Shady Sands, every surviving NCR citizen in its heartland of LA simultaneously decides to defect when it is bombed 5 years after falling. Having defected, every former NCR citizen also simultaneously decides to abandon and destroy every other NCR settlement in LA, rather than remain where they have food, water, and shelter, under a different or no flag. The NCR is reduced to two small groups of survivors in Vault 4 and the Griffifth Observatory, leaving no other evidence of an NCR presence except Shady Sands, which fell and was bombed 5 years after it fell because it threatened Vault-Tec's plan.
And this how Lucy find out that her kidnapped father, Liam Neeson, is actually Shaun, a high-ranking member of an advanced secret society that is trying to manipulate the Wasteland. And then Lucy brings the GECK to Griffifth Observatory so Moldaver can activate Project Electricity.
Bethesda… Bethesda never changes
>Shady Sands "falls" due to an unrelated, unknown incident in 2277
The "fall" refers to no one using the library anymore. The literacy rate fell to 0%.
Damn, this guy writes
You should apply for Emil's job
>literacy rate falls to 0%
>the Shady Sands survivors write a history of their city in the Vault 4 classroom, so it can be read
There's some SERIOUS intrigue here, bros. I wonder how they're going to resolve this in season 2? This and Robert House looking like he was thinking about something else for a second in the Vault-Tec meeting are definitely the biggest mysteries so far.
This doesn't even lampoon the shitty presentation of the brotherhood of steel. Why were they so shitty? Why were they in dilapidated hand made junk castles instead of their bunkers they had safely kept for 90-180 years? Why is it suddenly at the 200 year mark that everything suddenly reversed and went to shit?
I won't admit it's good. I've seen a lot of videos that say it's good, but I agree with this video which says it's bad, because I think it's bad and I enjoy having my opinions parroted back at me.
Nobody cares about your YouTube channel homosexual
It's not my YouTube channel, it's the YouTube channel of my favorite YouTuber, Nic Sequeira. he's pretty cool, he classifies himself as an "anti-gamer" and makes interesting videos from an anti-gaming perspective. He's a cool dude
Also, I don't think he's gay, I'm pretty sure he's asexual
>(which at this point makes it really hard to argue that he [todd howard] doesn't hate NV)
I will never understand this take. There is literally zero evidence that Bethesda or Todd Howard hates Fallout New Vegas or Obsidian. The only "evidence" of this is stupid conjecture made up by fans. They're all game developers, they are friends and support each other and Bethesda recognizes that Fallout New Vegas being a good awesome game that everyone loves improves the image of the Fallout brand which makes it stronger and encourages sales of further games.
It's like suggesting an actor who plays as Batman fricking hates the next actor that plays Batman, they don't fricking care as much as you think they do.
>There is literally zero evidence that Bethesda or Todd Howard hates Fallout New Vegas or Obsidian.
He never let them make another game for Bethesda despite Obsidian begging him to
He was the one that gave the clear for them to blow up the NCR in the show
It makes pretty much no sense at all in the context of the TV show considering they included all sorts of nods to it like ncr ranger armor, house, and fricking new Vegas itself. There are tons of references and plot developments involving the NCR also. If Todd hated it and wanted to erase it why would the show keep bringing this stuff up
>considering they included all sorts of nods to it like ncr ranger armor, house, and fricking new Vegas itself
And then they character assassinated House and blew up the NCR.
This cope about just because there's elements there means he can't hate it is ridiculous. The Witcher show puts several elements from the books onscreen, doesn't mean the creators don't hate the original
>If Todd hated it and wanted to erase it why would the show keep bringing this stuff up
You do realize the show brings up the NCR purely to erase it, right?
The cherry on top is that it's actually the Brotherhood of Steel who double-tap the remaining NCR remnants at Griffifth Observatory. The Prydwyn, the giant, flying symbol of Fallout 4 flies across the country so that the Brotherhood can gun down the NCR like dogs.
NCR? More like No Cucks Remaining
But Hank is still alive?
To make his own version of NV/NCR. Season 2 will take place in NV and it'd be the shows and his vision of NV.
>we're 7 days out from the Bethesda / Amazon version of NV / NCR
>Todd has already had to give an emergency interview to IGN retconning a retcon as damage control
The future is bright, boys. We're never getting another good Fallout game, so I'm honestly ready for Bethesda's wild ride
>people were using all kinds of headcanon to make it make sense because they have to like new thing
>Todd just calls them moronic
Fallout fanbase is moronic and deserves to have their canon killed.
>it's still canon, we just changed some crucial aspects to it lol
No, it's the fact that fallout 3 already fricked up a lot of the universe because it was made by people that glanced at fallout 2 and then made a game. Fallout 4 made by frickers that only took a glance at 3. So then you have this show which is made by people who looked at everything and then you get this mess. It messes up all of the progress and world building that Fallout and fallout 2 had established in commiefornia, new vegas doesn't really matter in the end.
More like Todd Coward.
>Show straight up says the NCR fell on 2277
>This means NV couldn't have happened
>NV fans go full tard rage and start threatening Todd
>Todd says it 'might' still be canon to appease them
Confirmation that the NV fanbase are literally animals.
>There, everything you hate about the TV show is now fixed. Will you finally admit it's good?
Todd lying as usual. Opinion discarded.
>Black person say 15 years ago shady sands exploded
>show happens on 2296
>new vegas start on october 2281 and ends on 2282 with the battle of hover dam
>2296-15=2281
its amazing the mental gymnastics people have to go to explain this shit. Either way is moronic because if you chose NCR on new vegas your entire playthrough amounted to nothing
Crazy how sometimes a civilization fails because a stronger one obliterated it
>shady sands exploded
>somehow the entire NCR become raiders
I need some explanation for that bro
they were always raiders with a veneer of bureaucracy
>Shady Sands fell
>nuke it for some reason
Hank nuked it because his wife and Moldaver could potentially expose Vault-Tec
>dumb family drama
Bethesda really can't help themselves with that shit, god damn.
what the frick is having a post apocalyptic setting if you have pre war characters walking around thanks to cryosleep. fallout 4 was a fricking mistake
>Fallout 4 writes cryosleep into the protagonist's backstory
>all but 3 pods in the vault fail
>meanwhile, two of the show's main characters are actually 200+ years old and have a 200 year old beef thanks to cryogenics
>there's also an entire vault of cryogenically preserved Vault-Tec executives in Vault 31
>which is manned by a single brain in a jar that was stuck behind a knocked-over broom when Norm found it
Watch it be revealed in season 2 that Moldaver surviving has something to do with the "Hollywood Forever" funeral home where she holds her anti-Vault-Tec meeting.
They fricking love their cryogenics on the show.
Do ghouls not count anymore?
Not really no, Ghouls are representative of what the old world is now, rotted, ruined, ugly, and radioactive.
Fair enough that's a pretty good reason
That’s the thing about the ghouls and really all the good shit in Fallout everything has a give and take. Super Mutants are extremely strong and resilient at the cost of being sterile, Ghouls are functionally immortal and immune to radiation at the cost of looking like decaying corpses, the Brotherhood was extremely technologically advanced but they were isolationist so any big hit to their numbers meant they were done for. It’s these flaws that prevent everything from becoming all fricked up.
>could potentially expose Vault-Tec
to who, aliens? there is nobody left on the wasteland
I mean, if the BoS found out Vault-Tec was still kicking.. they'd go full autism and destroy all the Vaults the could find.
>t. never played a single game
Why?
Enclave situation but waaaaaaaaaaay worse
Why did he wait 5 years to nuke it after it's fall
How did he know that his wife and Moldaver were in Shady Sands at the time
How did he know that they hadn't already exposed Vault-Tec, because neither of them would have any motive to conceal that information
Also Moldaver wasn't even there
>Why did he wait 5 years to nuke it after it's fall
Because it wasn't relevant to him at the time
>How did he know that his wife and Moldaver were in Shady Sands at the time
The vault's water was being siphoned there
>How did he know that they hadn't already exposed Vault-Tec, because neither of them would have any motive to conceal that information
Doesn't matter if you kill everyone there
>Also Moldaver wasn't even there
She made it unerground
Just watch/pirate the show. It's not that difficult to understand
>the sole purpose for which he was cryogenically frozen wasn't "relevant to him at the time"
???
You seem to misunderstand. The siphoning of water, Rose leaving and the "fall" was in 2277. People who watched the show naturally assumed this year was also when Hank nuked Shady Sands. But now Todd is saying Hank dropped the nuke in 2281/2282 (to avoid continuity errors with NV). Which makes no sense within the context of the show.
It makes sense, you just didn't pay attention
It makes sense for Hank to be fine with his wife living freely in the wasteland for 5 years, and then suddenly nuke a town to prevent her from talking to anyone? Without even being able to know if she is still there?
He had a tracking device on Maximus and knew the exact moment when a plot-critical character would be in Shady Sands, which had already fallen. He made a gamble: if one plot-critical character was there, it was likely that either Rose or Moldaver was as well. Unfortunately he only hit Rose, and Maximus survived by climbing into a fridge so that a Brotherhood of Steel paladin who was also there at the time of the bombing could find him.
>He had a tracking device on Maximus
https://youtube.com/shorts/GxGaqA0t_JE?si=OiKkIiEee0tZQ0pu
>”bombs dropped around 15 years ago”
>show takes place in 2296
>2296-15=2281 which we can roughly get to 2282 depending on what month the show takes place etc.
>NV NCR wouldn’t know about the nuke if it takes place during NV because there’s be no coms
Easy peasy
dude it would take like a week at the most for news to reach vegas, nevada is literally right next to california
A nuclear blast can be seen from 200-250 miles away and LA is around 270 miles from Vegas, they might see that shit from the Mojave Outpost.
These are also nukes that someone can be within 10 miles of and not be dusted
Yeah they really fricked that up.
That pre-ware nuke scene is so abysmally moronic. How did none of the frickwit showrunners look at the countless videos of what a nuke looks like
>no cars
>radio fricked
>takes 2ish months for someone to get sent to NV to spread the news
>still have to travel 270 miles by foot in a place that was a desert pre-war
Yeah, they’re close, but not that close
>2 months to walk 270 miles
>4.5 miles/day
lmao
>2 months to SEND someone
They did just get NUKED. I have a feeling they have more pressing issues than killing the morale of the army they sent to control NV, which would have likely been the new capital
There's a quest where the President visits from Shady Sands
Stop being moronic
>chilling in Camp McCarran thinking about bureaucracy
>private walks in
>fricker forgets to salute
>he looks panicked, he damn well should be after pulling that shit
>before I can reprimand him he starts blurting
>sir, we just got a radio transmission from the Mojave outpost. They say they saw a blinding flash and a mushroom cloud in the direction of the bon- Shady Sands
Well shit bureaucracy can wait
>no cars
says who? you're driving around a junker in FO2, you're telling me no one else ever fixed or built new cars since then?
>your city just got nuked
>”let’s fix up our car!”
Okay lmao
>one city of many gets nuked
>let's go to the hub/new reno and buy/steal a new car!
do you think the NCR was just like, one town?
This relies on the assumption that they even have a working car to get to NV
I think it is safe to assume that there would be at the very least one singular functioning car in the entire region anon
It’s also been 200+ years since they’ve been built, extremely limited parts since none have been made for 200+ years, any parts that are rubber have to have survived for 200+ years, someone has to be willing to sell it to you, you have to have caps for it on hand since your bank just got nuked, AND you have a whole ass town of people to dig out of rubble and treat for wounds
you do know the NCR has like, proper industry and such right? It's not some backwater shithole, it's a fully functioning democratic republic and society. You think they found all those service rifles and ammo? Hell they're even modifying suits of power armor by the time NV rolls around.
>It’s also been 200+ years since they’ve been built, extremely limited parts since none have been made for 200+ years, any parts that are rubber have to have survived for 200+ years, someone has to be willing to sell it to you
literally all of these things happened in FO2, so yes I believe it possible. all you needed was a fuel cell converter and some MONEY because they stopped using caps after FO1.
>he we need a car, the capital just got nuked
>what? You mean where the bank was located that backed all the NCR money?
>yeah, how about I give you a couple grand for the car
>frick no, that’s not worth shit now
>>let's go to the hub/new reno and buy/steal a new car!
>and buy/steal
>/steal
>STEAL
you're just cherrypicking things to nitpick like a stupid homosexual, here's your (you) you attention starved moron
I guess every government entity in this franchise has to resort to base instincts like troglodykes
>do you think the NCR was just like, one town?
I mean that's what every faction outside of the BoS and the Enclave were in bethesda fallout was...
you obviously have not known many mexicans
>be me
>city just got nuked
>family dead
>i’m slowly becoming a ghoul
>about to go pass out in a pile of rubble when
>la cucaracha horn.wav
>its suped up hydraulic chyslus highwayman with two Mexicans inside one is a ghoul in a sombrero
>hey boss do you need a hand?
>mfw
>gets in car
>one hands me a corona
>the other hands me a taco
>where you heading boss?
>N-new Vegas
>ayee-ayyeee-ayeee they just got nuked too esse
At least Raul made it out ok.
Just a reminder:
>In Fallout 3, and Fallout 4 bombs fall on the East Coast at around 9 AM
>In the canon Fallout TV show, the bombs fall in the middle of the day/afternoon in LA
>Fallout 3, 4, and New Vegas are all non-canon now.
Fallout-Earth is different because it rotated the other way around until the nukes hit.
>Bethesda writing be like
>Humanity in Fallout diverged from the norm due to rampant mutations caused by the FEV and subsequent radiation washing over the world
>those who made it into the vaults and by extention the Enclave themselves are amongst the last survivors of the original strain
New Vegas re-used FO3 clocks so the war was 9AM everywhere now
Well New Vegas is non-canon in the show because of the Shady Sands debacle but now Fallout 3 and 4 are as well for this other reason.
Ok so if Fallout NV is still canon. How come the NCR has been reduced to a Raider Gang by the time the show happens? It's only like, sixteen years after The Fall of Shady Sands.
Hell how was the NCR even able to fight back against the Legion and hold most of The Mojave when their capital was a nuked out crater?
Yes, you're a real girl!
You’re not going to get an answer, just moronic pajeets doing mental gymnastics and screaming troony to cope.
Here's a better question: why aren't you consuming? Real fans aren't haters.
>So basically, "The Fall of Shady Sands," it doesn't mean a nuke, necessarily?
Howard: Correct.
There. Every indian debunked with a single word.
>The Fall of Shady Sands was an event starting in 2277 and ended some time in the 2280s when Hank MacLean, overseer of Vault 33, ordered the destruction of the city. This proves to be the downfall of the New California Republic, as they are next seen as a remnant force taking shelter in Griffith Observatory.
It was a slow dismantling following by a massive detonation
your skin is brown
Is this the cope now?
>What? You think NV is non-canon because the show that is canon has shown that NV can't be canon because the NCR ceased to exist around the same time the First Battle of Hoover Dam happened.
>BROWN! BROWN SKIN!
Anon, I know NV fans are moronic... But this is just sad.
whiter than you vile scholmo
brown turds
>Lucy I left you and your father during the Famine of 2277 and came back to the surface to be with my lesbian lover
>The famine of 2277 wasn't a fabrication to cover the overseer being MIA to deliver a nuclear payload to the surface and blow up the largest city in the wasteland, he waited til 5 years later
>ghouls in the show have regenerative powers
>Goggins's character is introduced in a scene showing that another character buried him alive, only digging him up to periodically cut off pieces of his body, and keeping him from going feral with an IV drip of [UNNAMED ANTI-FERAL DRUG THAT GHOULS NEED NOW]
>Goggins is able to regenerate while buried live
>Rose is immediately ghoulified when Shady Sands is blown up in 2282
>in 14 years of existing as a highly irradiated feral ghoul, she's still looking like a charred rack of ribs with a big bite taken out of her
Should we assume that there's a limit to ghoul regeneration, no matter the amount of time you spend sitting in one place? Do feral ghouls not regenerate?
all ghouls are healed by radiation, they can even lose limbs but reattach them if they wanted to. there is no 1 concrete reason why some ghouls go feral, and i doubt theres a special drug to stop it outright. i always assumed it was a willpower thing, if the ghoul was still in touch with their humanity and wanted to live on as a 'normal' enough person then they wouldn't turn feral, but if the ghoul was antisocial and living out on their own there's a higher chance of them turning feral
>and i doubt theres a special drug to stop it ouright
Did you watch the show?
The difference is Zelda isn't a series that is, on every level, about the past. People nit-pick the Fallout canon as hard as they do because the setting and its themes are both predicated on a series of loosely (but logically) aligned dominoes. I mean, for frick's sake, the ENTIRE purpose of the NCR as a faction is that by recreating civilization in the image of the republic, it is recreating the vices of the republic: corruption, greed, etc.
The timeline and canon of Fallout matter much more to it than that of Zelda. I hate Zelda timeline shit like you wouldn't believe. All I'm saying is stop thinking in absolutes and apply different standards to different media when appropriate.
>Did you watch the show?
no one here has, thank god
I FRICKING HATE THAT THE WHOLE WORLD OF FALLOUT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO SOME FAMILY DRAMA BULLSHIT.
THE CHARACTERS IN THE SHOW ARE LITERALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, HAVING ONLY ONE TO TWO DEGREES OF SEPARATION FROM THE CABAL THAT INSTIGATED THE WAR THAT WIPED EVERYTHING OUT.
Lucy's sub-plot is literally just Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 mashed together
>protagonist's son is kidnapped
Lucy's father is kidnapped
>Lone Wanderer leaves the vault to follow his father
Lucy leaves the vault to follow her father
>protagonist's father is actually the leader of the Institute, an organization that wants to use the Commonwealth as a source of scientific experimentation from the shadows
Lucy's father is actually one of the executive officers of Vault-Tec, and organization that wants to use the apocalypse and Wasteland as a source of social experimentation from the shadows
>Project Purity can give the Capitol Wasteland clean drinking water, but the protagonist requires an activation code from the Lone Wanderer's dad and a GECK
Moldaver's cold fusion generator can give the LA Wasteland practically infinite power, but Moldaver requires and activation code from Lucy's dad and the cold fusion cell
>The Lone Wanderer makes the ultimate sacrifice, dying in the process of turning on Project Purity, and the last thing he sees are the water of life coursing though its centrifuge...
Moldaver sacrifices her life in the process of turning on her cold fusion generator because Lucy needs to survive for season :^), and the last thing she sees is the LA Wasteland light up the evening sky as she holds Rose's hand
You know what everyone's favorite sub-plots are? Goggins doing his 100th playthrough of Fallout: Amazon with his 10 AGI, 10 LCK, critical VATS build, and small frame Norm "the lean machine" MacLean stealth'ing and science'ing his way into Vault 31. The only people with lower INT than Maximus are people who fell for Lucy's sub-plot.
Me and my buddies were loudly screaming 'onions' whenever anything from the games appeared on screen or was mentioned, it was a great time. A blast, even
I'd be pissed off if homosexuals ruined my Nukakino marathon with an unfunny Red Letter Media video. I had forgotten onions was a word used for something that isn't food would hate to be in your group.
Vault 4 is also just a rip-off of Tranquility Lane, but done really, really poorly
So, what? It's gonna be the Brotherhood & the NCR vs the Enclave vs Vault-Tec?
Will the NCR forgive the Brotherhood just to get revenge on Vault-Tec for Shady Sands? Does anyone else in the NCR know is was Vault-Tec that did it? Does the Enclave know Vault-Tec wanted to betray them?
Not possible. Because that'd make future games impossible due to all the major players being out of commission.. though, I suppose there is a reason why the show happens in 2296
It'll be Vault-Tec vs itself and the Enclave once it's revealed that only the control vaults will get to go on the Enclave's space station
The most sane thing to do is introduce a new old player in the game, but they shot themselves in the foot, because the writters are morons and are unable to think beyond their feets.
The high execs meeting was the PERFECT time to just throw two guys behind random word labels, like "SecOps" and "C.A.L." and that's it.
You have fodder for new games, don't break existing lore by making one of those the evil dudes of Season 2, it's an expansion of lore rather than trying to reconcile everything
But no
You can't have that
This was the obvious endgame to anyone paid attention in Fallout 3. Bethesda's plan was to wear Fallout as a skin suit and erase everything mildly inconvenient.
They brought back Super Mutants that aren't actually Super Mutants.
>everythings canon
>we're just retconning everything that is inconsistent
they've done this every fallout game, from caps being currency in the east coast for no reason to jet being a pre-war drug, somehow the enclave returned part 2, etc. who cares what todd says, he's a hack and the most infamous liar in gaming.
the absolute state of Vault-Tec lore
>doesn't lift a finger when The Master starts up a mutant army right next to where everyone in control of Vault-Tec sleeps
>lets a nation form right next to where everyone in control of Vault-Tec sleeps
lol
lmao
Shout outs to the Master somehow missing Vaults 4, 33, 32, 31 during his search for surface-level vaults in the NCR heartland of Los Angeles
how did the master not find vault 33,32,31 and 4?
Uhhhhhh... Because... uhhhhh... there was that little...
Frick you, just consume and stop arguing
4 was under a hospital. It's easy to miss
>4 was under a hospital.
>he replies to a post with a picture of vault 4
Question: was it under the Shady Sands hospital specifically? I lost track of where they were as soon as they were gassed, honestly.
I hope somebody more familiar with LA than me maps out the journey because I lost track multiple times, especially during this one shot where the city is further away than Vegas was in the final scene
I actually tried to do this earlier today, I could cross-post it if you want. I wrote it because I'm a CA resident and I was extremely, extremely confused by the geographic continuity.
Go for it. My only point of reference is Los Santos
This is only for the first 3 episodes:
>Vault 33, 32, and 31 are in Santa Monica to the west of LA, because you can see the pier
>even though Santa Monica is a thriving and dense commercial district, it is an empty wasteland of sand and shrubs
>even though LA is only 15 miles to the east of Santa Monica and would be a much higher priority target in a nucelar conflict, it is much more intact
>cuts to drone shot tracking toward the Santa Monica mountains to the north, implying Lucy is walking north
So far, not so bad
>it's difficult to tell where the BoS base is supposed to be, but it was filmed at Wendover AFB in Utah
>it's either actually Utah, or a stand-in for a location like Edwards AFB or an inland flat north of it
>Maximus and Titus drop down into chaparral, which could be fricking anywhere in California
We're already lost
>cut to the Doctor in a temperate forest which looks NOTHING like California because even the coastal temperate forests in NorCal are full of conifers, whereas every tree we see is deciduous
>cut to another drone shot to transition from Doctor to Maximus and Titus
This is a confusing one because it looks like a CGI combination of a desert and temperate forest WITH conifers - but also skyscrapers?
>Maximus and Titus enter the not-California forest
>in the following scene where Maximus is experimenting with the power armor, he encounters the chicken-fricker on the coast, meaning he's actually in SoCal
This is where it begins getting really confusing
1/2
>cut back to Lucy talking to the wastelander about Filly
>cuts to establishing shot of Filly in the distance
>establishing shot looks like a thicket of small shrubs, not a forest, in front of a mountain range that's possibly the San Gabriel mountains north of LA, depending on how long Lucy has been traveling
>cut to Lucy walking into Filly
>it's the fricking forest again
>Lucy leaves Filly with the doctor
>cuts to them walking away from LAX, which is southeast of Santa Monica
At this point we've completely lost the plot
>Lucy continues walking away from LAX, which is a desolate wasteland like Santa Monica even though there's lots of corporate offices in the area like Boeing, AT&T, and the LA Times
>is back in the fricking forest AGAIN, but this time there's a lake
This is extremely confusing, but my best guess is that this is near Whittier or Anaheim to the east of LAX. Again, the issue is that the forest looking nothing like CA forests.
>Goggins catches up to Lucy and takes her hostage
>suddenly they're walking through ruins that are identical to the ones in the Santa Monica drone shot
And this isn't accounting for the part where Thaddeus suddenly crosses the border into fricking Canada or something at the Red Rocket gas station. It's really difficult to tell when or where any character is traveling at any given time, even as someone who has lived in and around LA for most of their life and driven up the coast to NorCal multiple times.
>>is back in the fricking forest AGAIN, but this time there's a lake
There was a road sign there that says it's either on or close to Hollywood Boulevard, wasn't there?
That both helps and doesn't help. It helps physically place it (NE of Santa Monica), but it doesn't really resolve the LAX thing or why the forest around Filly looks absolutely nothing like SoCal even if you let nature retake the city for 200 years.
I'm not being autistic about this to nit-pick, I'm just saying that even as someone who has lived 30 years in this area I had a hard time following it.
IIRC it was this style of sign, which doesn't necessarily mean it's close
The only reasonable explanation is that the forest is non-natural due to importation. But even then, it’s way to big to have been growing in limited habitats for 200+ years
So House couldnt get his buddies to hold off on the nuclear apocalypse for one more day so he could get his platinum chip? dayuumm thats rough.
>"I predicted the day the bombs were going to fall but I was off by a day"
>in reality "I sat on the meeting to determine the date the bombs would fall but it seems they backstabbed me"
>"and i didn't even think about the possibility they would do it or that anything at all could go wrong, so i didn't get the chip in time"
I thought House was supposed to be smart.
>"I raunch bomb and raugh as dumb american pigdogs squabbrre about who is going into horre in ground!"
>thinking quickly House was able to predict the nuclear apocalypse using his intellect, the best computers robco could produce, and prior knowledge of when the nuclear apocalypse would happen
>it seems they backstabbed me
>it would appear that they read Internet comments suggesting that I was not enthused about their plan, because I looked mildly disinterested despite initially expressing interest
People will say
>well, we don't know if Vault-Tec ACTUALLY dropped the bombs
>maybe they pitched it and China launched the a nuke before they did and it caught House by surprise
which would just make it a completely pointless "plot twist" that adds nothing, and only detracts from House's character.
>lore before show is that America or China dropped the bomb, but no one knows
>show adds 3rd party to the confusion to make it more ambiguous
>somehow pointless, despite every allusion beforehand being a similar vein of vague
That also just takes Fallout 3 as the canon, when Fallout 1 introduces the entire game with the fact that it's a world war. Who launched the first nuke doesn't matter in Fallout 1. Everyone was at each other's throats.
Frick Fallout 3.
It still could have very well been a world war, but I agree it’s a little too specific about who the perpetrators (besides VT) are. Would’ve love to see the pajeets get some vague allusion to having nukes as well. Yall would’ve eaten it up
>lore before show is that America or China dropped the bomb, but no one knows
I always assumed it was China hitting the "you lose" button after US troops in power armor were rampaging on the mainland. The real thing is that it doesn't matter, if it was the US or China.
It makes the most sense that china did fire first, but I could also see someone in the US gov pressing the big red button with some ulterior motive (like what VT was planning.
did anyone else notice how BOGGED moldaver is?
Even if it doesn't retcon it destroying New Vegas just makes everything you did in the game feel like it didn't matter all. Why does it matter what faction you pick now when everything just ends up destroyed anyway? And it's not for any kind of real important story reason it's just because Todd fundamentally misunderstands Fallout and thinks that it's supposed to be a wacky scavenger theme park instead of about the rebuilding of society. He thinks people would just loot the ruins of cities for the next thousand years.
if vault tec nuked the world wouldnt the ghoul know the date and not do a pony show?
What else is he going to do? Might as well spend his last day making people happy
>still does a pikachu face knowing very well what will happen
Maybe a part of him was still hoping Barb would do the right thing
I assume he got caught before the meeting got to that part
>wife that wants to protect daughter at all cost even selling her soul to corpos just leave her with the husband in the day the bombs will fall and never tells him
Shockingly, this is not a plot hole: he divorces his wife, and likely didn't learn the date that the bombs would be dropped. Although it's very confsing why the FRICK she wouldn't save their fricking daughter, lmao.
>"I must do everything for my daughter, all I do is to guarantee her safety in one of the good vaults"
>nah mate frick them both Im going alone
this show is so funny
The bombs dropped early. Even Vault Tech weren't completely prepared
I like how the show completely raped the BOS ranks and nobody mentions this
>clerics
>adult being a squire
>squire following knights
>knights wearing power armor
so funny
>Fallout 2 creates the Enclave to show the old world isn't fit for the new world
>This ties into the Vault 13 descendants becoming part of the new world as tribals and living on the surface
>Ties into the vault being totally unprepared for the Wasteland and the Overseer wanting to shut the world out in Fallout 1
>The Enclave is totally wiped out
>Fallout 3 comes along, and suddenly the Enclave is everywhere
>Fallout NV tries to fix this by giving them a final send off again. Making them into tired boomers who get their last chance to leave a mark on the world.
>Todd begins to plan the unfixing
What is this guy's problem?
>Vault-Tec executives bow to the Flame Mother
>in contact with the Enclave
>possesses the only energy weapon on the West Coast
>controls Southern California with 20 NCR raiders
>owns settlements all over the West Coast
>direct descendant of the pre-war Bogdanoff family
>will power the entire city of Los Angeles with cold fusion
>terraformed all of California to move Shady Sands to Los Angeles
>owns basically every cryogenic freezing facility on Earth
>first post-war government was the NCR
>said to have 400+ IQ
>the Shady Sands monument told of a 200 year old scientist who will emerge from beneath the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with her
>this is Moldaver
>she owned pre-war cold fusion R&D labs across the United States
>every NCR citizen has the brand of the Flame Mother imprinted in them at birth
>Moldaver is in regular communication with Todd Howard himself, forwarding the word of God to Amazon's writer's room
>discovered the fourth law of thermodynamics
>Emil Pagliarulo allows her full access to the Fallout 3, 4, & 76 design documents within the Bethesda Games Studio vault
>the pre-war government entrusted the U.S. constitution to Moldaver
>she is 219 years old, from the space-time reference point of an in-universe human
>In reality, she is an immortal muse borne forth from the unconscious mind of Todd Howard himself
>she has been able to access the Fallout Bible from birth, and has retroactively rewritten the canon before she was even conceived of
>Moldaver will guide the NCR into a new age of being written out of Fallout
>pre-war
>scientist
>communist leader
>ncr leader
>raider
>cult icon
Barbie who?
>The Atom is female
also
> b***h face
do people unironically care about fallout lore? maybe if the unity won itd be interesting but thats not happening in any fallout so the entire series is just basic post apocalypse slop
didnt house appear in the new show?
Yes, he was now part of a corporate cabal that started the Great War.
so he was a israelite after all? i knew it
>every black person is either moronic or a villain
>put the israelite manlet next to the giant white man in almost every scene
>black man and white woman kiss is being watched by a smiling israelite
>troony tries to kill herself
how is this show so insanely based?
it's not good, it's on par with halo, tlou and witcher and no amount of shilling will change that fact
Irrelevant slop, go back to Ganker
1.) Video games
2.) Ganker is populated by moronic slop-lappers, the quality of posts ITT is infinitely higher even if the show itself is slop
>itt:fatasses that have never left their house
as expected of a Ganker thread
Todd said that the events of NV happened, but Shady Sands still exploded, which means the NCR is no more. What Todd really means is that all the shit that happened in New Vegas can't matter because they can't give it a canon ending, so they decided to wipe the slate clean and start over A G A I N. Also helps sell the show as a post-apocalyptic world filled with shithuts instead of places like New Reno and Vault City where society is clawing its way back.
>they can’t give it a canon NCR ending
Ftfy
They used the bad ending from the DLC. Misted and nuked. The way to answer the question, without choosing any of the factions that people actually seriously considered.
It's a copout answer.
You don't see anyone else with a car, and NV shows that the one working car ended up in an accident in the Mojave. Vertibirds are a rare and big deal.
They aren't internally consistent, and the entire point of the canon discussion it to find the agreed upon events, so the actual discussion/understanding can happen.
If one person says that this is canon, but the other person doesn't, then they're not going to agree on what happened, and no real discussion can happen. No understanding can take place. Which is why people want consistency, from release to release. If there's no consistency, then there's no point in caring. Which doesn't cause people to just consume and get hyped for next product, it makes them quit.
Religions shift and change with the times. They're permanence exists in name only.
YOU'RE permanence exists in name only
>then they're not going to agree on what happened
That's the cool thing, nothing happened because it's all make believe. Consistency between different products adds no ability to discuss or understand things, and inconsistency does nothing to take it away. In this very thread we have many posters including yourself discussing points from the new show and various fallout games despite their lack of consistency.
>If there's no consistency, then there's no point in caring. Which doesn't cause people to just consume and get hyped for next product, it makes them quit.
Good, frick them, they have no inherent right to our hype. Force them to make us care by producing an amazing product, not by virtue of controlling the legacies of old amazing products.
>That's the cool thing, nothing happened because it's all make believe
"There's no point to discuss anything".
I hope Bethesda is paying you for this.
>Consistency between different products adds no ability to discuss or understand things, and inconsistency does nothing to take it away
Literally false. If you see the police shoot someone in one mystery story, but the other mystery story in the series reveals that it was a dream, then the police didn't shoot someone. But if a later person decides that the "it was a dream reveal" wasn't true, then what?
You would have two different people saying "The police didn't shoot someone" and "The police did shoot someone". Only 1 is true. It's not all "Art is up to your interpretation" bs.
> In this very thread we have many posters including yourself discussing points from the new show and various fallout games despite their lack of consistency.
I've only been pointing out inconsistencies that ruin 1/2/NV.
>Good, frick them, they have no inherent right to our hype
You got some brown on your nose. I really hope you get paid for this.
>Force them to make us care by producing an amazing product, not by virtue of controlling the legacies of old amazing products.
You damn well know that we have no such control, when shills like you, act like this.
Rings of Power was a flop, because the nerds rejected it. We don't need morons like you, shilling for Bethesda's defence.
As we're the ones saying that the show is shit, and you're going "why do you care", which enables Bethesda to keep shovelling more shit.
You don't even realize what you're doing. Which means you're doing it for free. How shameful.
The NCR was a corrupt bureaucratic shithole, stretched too thin to defend itself. They didn't have enough of a military force, to take the Mojave.
>literally all of these things happened
It happened once. There's no other working vehicles shown, outside of the Vertibird. Which is why the Vertibird is such a big deal.
>stretched too thin to defend itself
in Nevada, because the bulk of their forces stayed behind to play bodyguards for the cow barons.
>others aren't shown working
sure but they're mentioned, the NCR has a truck repair station in their base in NV and they run trains for supplies. Frick man the Super Mutants under the Master had Steam Trucks running in FO1. NV didn't have any working vehicles because they had to throw the game together in a little over a year using mostly already created assets. There's a vertibird in NV because guess what? there was a vertibird in 3. Vehicles outside of the car in 2 have always existed, but only really mentioned in dialogue.
They also have horses
>There's no other working vehicles shown
The NCR has functioning rail lines as far west as the mojave. Other than that your right that the NCR was stretched thin and was relying on expanding into new areas to sustain themselves. They would be in an absolute shit position if they got suddenly cut off spreading west into the mojave on top of the president potentially being assassinated during NV.
>There, everything you hate about the TV show is now fixed
not quite, I'm still baffled by their decision to add more vaults despite The Master's whole deal being finding vaults in the region, and the move of Shady Sands miles south for seemingly no reason. The brotherhood's increased military presence is also weird considering they got chased out of the region in the end FO2 and if you're correct in that the greater NCR is still fully intact, only makes this point even more confusing.
they should've just set the show in a different region, none of the show relies on the factions and political climate of the region before the show's start.
I’m convinced todd suggested the west and they just decided to go for it. Everyone involved seems to say they only played the Bethesda games so really having it set in a place that has little to nothing to do with those makes no sense unless they’re trying to clean the slate for future games. I mean it feels weird how determined he is to keep the show canon when he could just have easily said “no it’s not canon” and it would have done nothing. People would still buy Fallout shit, and consume.
I think they expected old fans to eat up any and all gestures to them without any further consideration of the actual stories those games take place in. Like they'd all be too busy pogging at the galaxy news logo and Thaddeus' classic 9mm to ask why the Master never found the 4 vaults in the boneyard
What gets me is if Todd really wanted to nuke the NCR or have another big restart in the region, Obsidian gave him that possibility with the end of Lonesome Road, which to be honest was a bit of a moronic story on its own way. All the writers had to do was make it consistent with the end of that DLC, the characters in the show wouldn't even need to know who launched the nuke, but nope.
you only nuked the long 15 in lonesome road as a means of cutting of their convoys into the region, not the NCR proper.
If he literally has to show Shady Sands get nuked, then yeah, but if he wants the NCR dead, Lonesome Road is a much more realistic way of doing it. Strangling their economy is a much more realistic way of killing a nation than bombing a capital.
They would just be gone, and their cities would be torn apart by raiders/civil wars.
eh it depends, I don't think cutting the NCR off from vegas would strangle their economy, not like they were exporting much outta there outside of a portion of the sharecropper yields and SOME electricity. cutting off the convoy would doom the NCR in Nevada, but I don't think it would cause the collapse of the entire government, at least not in the timeframe provided.
They chose the timeframe, though, and it is clear in New Vegas the NCR is already in bad shape.
If you talk to Thomas Hildern (not the greatest soruce, but still) about food shortages in the NCR he says this
>Not yet. But our government understands the value of proactive thought. Our studies project an imbalance between production and consumption. Or, for a layman such as yourself - not enough food, too many mouths to feed. Mass starvation. In a decade or so.
You're both fricking moronic. The NCR was overstretched and needed to fix its priorities, but there was no existential problems it was faced with at the time. Even outright losing Nevada wouldn't have mattered all that much and might even do them some good, which was the point of the Hanlon quest.
Also, if the CENTRAL CAPITAL of one of the most powerful states in the post-war country ended up getting bombed and depopulated, there would be legions of prospectors digging around in the rubble and resettlement efforts to take advantage of all the infrastructure that's still intact. The only ones we see are those two dickheads in Veteran Ranger gear sifting around in the sand dunes looking for 200-year-old bullets.
>the refugees in Vault 4 were just TOO traumatized to record the year the nuke went off
you fricks don’t get it. nobody cares about old fallout lore. it’s contradictory to the new tone and story and is an anchor holding the franchise back. i don’t give a shit if the show contradicts new vegas. it’s good if it does.
we don't like the new tone
you can't maintain a franchise if you throw away everything it was built on. it will crumble. just look at modern-day warcraft
The franchise began in the public's eye with Fallout 3 when millions of people played it for the first time. That is what it is built on in popular culture. Before that is widely considered "the old stuff". It is looked at as a curiosity, not a bedrock of what Fallout must be. A small section of fans will enjoy the games enough that they decide "oh I should check out the old stuff" and either get filtered or play the game and view it through the lens the sequels gave them.
It is not like Halo or Star Wars where their very first installments were their greatest hits and everyone either started with the originals or knew someone that did, and the popular culture formed to view all subsequent products through the lens the originals gave them. Fallout originalists are a vast minority, which is why nobody cares to cater to them.
>you fricks don’t get it. nobody cares about old fallout lore
No we get it. We hate Todd for it.
>it’s contradictory to the new tone and story
You have it backwards. The new tone and story is contradictory to the originals.
>and is an anchor holding the franchise back
No, it's the entire foundation, so good that Todd felt the need to rip it off for Fallout 3.
>i don’t give a shit if the show contradicts new vegas. it’s good if it does.
Enjoy product. Get excited for next product.
>nobody cares about old star wars lore
>nobody cares about old warcraft lore
>nobody cares about old halo lore
>nobody cares about old [soon to be dead franchise] lore
why do marketing teams and executives spout this same cope before sinking another once beloved franchise
The show is still pretty bad even in a vacuum.
>bethesda fallouts have generic "raider" enemies that reproduce out of the mud I guess
>they have no history or command structure
>show slaps the hard reset button on the ncr
>arguably the most important faction to the canon that you see in its early stages and far end where they've become expansionist
>they are now being turned into generic "raider" fodder for their east coast brotherhood of steel to fly in and purge
>all because they wanted to do the fo3/4 family drama plot for a third time in california
Now here’s a good question, what would the show have lost by setting it in say New York, or Georgia, or even Florida?
or you know, utah which in canon is a shithole occupied by mad max biker gangs and satisfies the need for it to be set on the west coast.
Yeah but then they would probably show Graham. I mean they’re going to do that anyway but I really don’t like the idea of him getting adapted.
They wouldn’t have gotten to murder the NCR
>todd kneeled to NVchads
LMAO
>Fail to read timeline
>Todd tells you you read it wrong
>"OMG xisters! Todd kneeled to us!"
Can someone answer this shit for me. A research group discovered cold fusion which could create infinite energy, but Vault Tec bought them out and shelved the project to sell vaults? That doesn’t make sense, wouldn’t cold fusion be vastly more profitable and powerful asset to own than shitty vaults?
Do you want the real answer, or the "bending over backwards to defend an Amazon adaptation" answer?
So I guess it boils down to “company people dumb” then
It boils down to the show being so poorly written that it's difficult to infer Vault-Tec's actual motivations for instigating the Great War, or infer whether the writers even wrote it this way consciously. The only logical explanation for what Vault-Tec is doing is power, not profit. They're winning the "game of capitalism" by changing the rules of engagement. Instead of earning more profit and having to compete with other players who are also earning more and more profit, what if you just flipped over the game board while holding as many resources as you can in your hand? They're doing the same thing that the Enclave did.
The thing is that even though profit isn't the point, having access to cold fusion technology is still really relevant to their plan, because their plan is out-surviving their competitors. What better way to buy time than with fricking infinite energy? By all accounts they should have held onto this resource somewhere. So the answer is either that they just "forgot" that cold fusion would be of great benefit to the likelihood of their plan working out (lmao), there was a circumstance that interfered with implementing it (lol), or the writers are just moronic, didn't think this far ahead, and are hoping that they'll think of a good answer before season 2.
Vaults are powered with long lasting nuclear reactors and their GECK uses gold fusion technology
Guarantee we’ll see how it came into Enclave hands in season 2, and it definitely has something to do with House
Maybe you'll see season 2 lmao
>thinks he won’t hate watch it to learn his favorite franchise’s new lore
Okay buddy, see you in 2026
like 90% of the plot threads are just season 2 bait. the only one's that even resolved is moldaver, unless we're going to get tons of moldaver flashbacks in season 2 even though every pre-war flashback has been from goggins's perspective.
the more i think about this, the stupider it becomes. they wrote a mystery homie character who had an extremely disappointing death after doing nothing except exposition dumping for lucy's sake, and they didn't even answer basic questions like
>how did she survive 200 years
>how did she become the de facto leader of the NCR
>how did she become known and feared by everyone in the wasteland
and most of these can't be answered with goggins flashbacks.
The engine credits reveal advertisements for Cryo-chambers
the amazon writers are really fricking cryo-happy
The Enclave and Vault-Tec are obviously working together.
Seething lore-let
Vault-Tec and the Enclave are evil and with infinite energy they can enact there plan where they nuke the surface and wait in the make self-sustaining vaults until A) Wipe out everyone on the surface and then rebuild an ideal democratic society B) Populate a space ship using behavioral research from the Vaults as a basis to then colonize another planet
They shelved it because China wouldn't have a reason to fight if the technology got out
They probably incorporated the technology into the GECK
But that would only benefit them because they sell vaults and profit off fear and hysteria. But the war is being mainly fought due to lack of resources and cold fusion pretty much is the solution to that problem gives vault tec pretty much god level leverage against the world while also having society not utterly collapsing
her team was on the verge of discovering cold fusion when VT bought them out, then stopped the project, probably to focus on other stuff the company was developing
isnt this stated like literally out loud? or am I misremembering things?
cold fusion is first developed by Ben Linus in the fallout universe
Loregay autists are so cringe
Fallout lore starts with 3
No one cares about 1 and 2 they aren't even real games
Whenever I think about this show I just think that Bethesda should have just done a Hammer and Bolter style anthology animation series where each episode tells a story from a different part of the setting. Like one could be retelling of the first games story but in a sort of tribal art style similar to the El-ahrairah story in Watership Down.
New vegas fans are such a loud minority troony fanbase that todd had to say this because of their complaining.
Enclave was working with Poseidon Energy and West Tek, not Vault Tec. Vault Tec was just a minor contractor.
In FO2 it's revealed they're working together and Vault-Tek is integral to the space plan
But they are just that - some buttholes who are tasked with building the vaults. I am sure Enclave would be very upset if Vault Tec started a war prematurely and nuked all those people Enclave wanted to send to space for no fricking reason.
Very obviously dubious shadow people were giving Vault Tec cues in the meeting. If Vault-Tec did drop the bombs it would be through the Enclave as they would have access to them.
Wait, so if the Enclave really dropped the bombs, then the US really did start the war instead of China and VT?
It's left a mystery in all games and in the show there are details that cast doubt on it like with Barb's daughter still being outside. It could be misdirection or it could be something else. Tune in for season 2 to find out!
Also shit like MacLean having a nuke to drop on the NCR just makes it more of a mess, which I like
Wilzig knowing everything about Lucy is another indicator.
Vault Tec is a defunct prewar company. This moronic TV show bringing them back as if it makes sense for them to be around does not mean it was the case in the games.
They're labeled as research labs in FO2 enclave computers and the enclave oil base runs on vault-tec technology
>The US government bought some bunkers from this company, therefore this company is actually the Illuminati and had nuclear weapons and started the nuclear exchange themselves to purposefully destroy America for no fricking reason
The bunkers are staffed with personnel hired by Vault-Tec who were cooperating with the Enclave's goals.
Everyone who was ever employed by vault tec died decades before Fallout 1. They DID NOT EXIST after the war, beyond, at most, a handful of people in each vault, who would have died of old age in the 2090s-2110s.
They reproduced and followed the set guidelines or instructions from their forefathers. The higher ups would have stayed with the enclave
The people sealed in the fricking vaults worked for a private company, not even the US government, let alone the super deepstate that would eventually become the enclave. What's more, we know for a fact that that subsequent overseers after the first generation were chosen from the general population of the vaults, not some sort of hereditary monarchy.
The title of overseer is hereditary if you've read any of the logs. The private company was colluding with the enclave as per FO2
>The title of overseer is hereditary if you've read any of the logs
No it fricking isn't.
>The private company was colluding with the enclave as per FO2
Fallout 2 says nothing of the sort. It says the enclave had access to the vaults, which makes sense, because of course the US government would have demanded vault tec hand over the codes to the bunkers they were building on US soil, but there's no evidence that value tec persisted after the great war at all, let alone persisted until and then worked with the emergent enclave.
President Richardson tells you in FO2 that the Enclave is Vault-Tec and vise versa.
>everything you hate about the TV show is now fixed.
I'm sorry to tell you buddy but this is not remotely close to "everything" i hate about the tv show, because what I hate about the tv show is basically everything. Every design, every bit of dialogue, every character assassination, it's hot garbage for normie morons,
Exactly the same as rings of power, same dogshit in literally every regard trying to yoink an ip and alter it to sell to normies and push their social engineering and opinions through.
99.99999% of modern 'writers' are incompetent and write worse than a 14 year old child picked at random.
i've seen so many better ideas in these threads than what made it into the show
There are quite literally 3 major recurring characters that show up in the show, and 2 are in one scene while the third is fricking vault boy. What character did they assassinate???
They turned House into a shitskin. A subhuman, brown street shitter.
House was always brown.
>13 years until we get new west coast lore
>is this shit
god fricking damn it
War never changes. Get bombed, nerd!
What if some intern wrote down the wrong date? Wouldn't that be funny
Fallout 1 and 2 aren't realistic to a post nuclear apocalypse
Fallout 3 is more accurate to what a post nuclear world should be like
But still really inaccurate
Fallout should be like "A Canticle for Leibowitz"
They'd be a good game
Literally a post nuclear apocalyptic Red Dead Redemption
>Fallout 3 is realistic
>Canticle is realistic
>It's also like Red Dead Redemption
You are too moronic to be allowed to live
Canticle is perfectly realistic
It took like 400 years for someone to discover how a light bulb works
>Canticle is perfectly realistic
There's an immortal israelite wandering around, you idiot
Radiation also doesn't cause mutations that turn people into monsters, it just gives you cancer and sterility
The wandering israelite is perfectly realistic as it was described in The Bible
And radiation may very well cause "monsters" after successive generations being exposed to radiation, it's something we don't know as such conditions do not exist currently
>is perfectly realistic as it was described in The Bible
The wandering israelite isn't from the Bible, dumbass
>And radiation may very well cause "monsters" after successive generations being exposed to radiation,
Radiation is causes sterility
Haven't watched the show yet, debating whether I should or not - is it any good, truthfully? I initially was going to avoid it due to all these retcons and lore issues that are fricking it up (and the stupid shit like the power armor stuff and dick dialogue), but everywhere I go I see people massively praising the show. Is it a genuine good watch as a Fallout fan or is it just normie slop, which is why it's praised so high?
Even ignoring the games entirely, it's poorly written pozzed dogshit. Here's something that sums up the ethos of the show: an evil capitalist nukes an entire city because he's mad his wife left him to be in a lesbian relationship with a heckin scientist who figured out cold fusion.
It's enjoyable
Don't let autists who hate literally everything made after 2009 ruin it for you
it's like a 6/10. "fun" if you like bethesda fallout and don't care about the retcons.
Depends, if you are a fan of Fallout 3 and 4, you'll have a good time. If you are a fan of 1, 2 or NV, you'll just get pissed off. If you are not a fan of the games, the show is... fine, if not exactly world shattering.
>in b4 "but Amazon is referencing so many things from old games
Yeah, they are doing Bethesda's take on Wast Coast and it makes me want to stab myself in the eye.
I'm a fan of NV and I enjoyed it. After all, it did reveal House ending is canon.
The show isn't fine even if it were original IP. The dialogue is fricking awful, the fights are stupid, the setting is boring, the antagonists are morons, and its pozzed as all hell.
Ignoring the lorerape it's just mediocre at best
It has okay production values (which is almost a miracle in this day and age) but all the action is awkward and embarrassing
Why do New Vegas fans act like they’re the center of universe that everyone is out to get when it’s like the least successful 3d fallout outside of 76
3 and Vegas are estimated to have about the same number of copies sold.
NTA but one would also argue 100x more people played NV in the last decade than 3
in fact, I'm guessing the numbers are like this for the last decade
>F4 100 players
>FNV 40 players
>F76 30 players
>F3 10 players
Likely cause everyone just plays 3 via TTW. There’s no reason not to
It's hilarious too because literally EVERYONE on Ganker hated New Vegas when it was released, in fact it only started to receive praise once FO4 was released
Strange how that always happens huh
You can always tell it's a moronic newhomosexual larping because he makes assumptions that the archives don't exist
It's true though
NV was continuously shat on
It's not though
NV had issues in its release, but people still wanted to play the game
And by the time 4 was released it was already very popular
Cease your newhomosexualry
What its the anus face before pog?
who cares, the show will just do what it wants within it's budget and movie set constraints and everyone will be pleased with the cameos, easter eggs, and other references because it's tv slop
the real money is in merch and ads
how are people even playing fallout 4 on pc? it breaks over 60fps, and capping it to 60fps has a bunch of problems, too.
New Vegays xisters we acked xirselves over nothing?